KENJUTSU vs KENJUTSU

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  • @weaponism
    @weaponism  2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

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    • @blademan_b
      @blademan_b 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hello everyone. Im back😁 This time, I tried to fight in a different style than last time. just like okita😆 refer to my video th-cam.com/video/krWi1myBXlE/w-d-xo.html

    • @heirihunziker
      @heirihunziker 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @paul-becker
      @paul-becker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @ShadQh
      @ShadQh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Where do you get the scabbard from? Does it come with it?

    • @wastelander3116
      @wastelander3116 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @Kyrian_W
    @Kyrian_W 2 ปีที่แล้ว +917

    This was great, especially since it feels like there's not a lot of kenjutsu sparring videos to watch, rather there's more HEMA and kendo sparring videos.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Indeed, Kenjutsu in not popular anymore. Just like Japanese Jujutsu isn't either. They got replaced by Kendo and Judo respectively. It's a shame, even tho both styles hardly spar (that's also why it's hard to find videos on it) both of them have more stuff that their Budo versions (Jujutsu actually has unarmed and armed strikes, and also some takedowns that are not done in Judo like the Scissors takedown. Kenjutsu in general has more stances and strikes, also they practice more kinds of blocks/parries and they strike with the intend to go through armor, something that Kendo does not, in Kendo just a slightly strong flick of your sword counts as a point, if your opponent has armor, that kind of strike will not do a lot)

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@jestfullgremblim8002 Good points, but I don't think the "if your opponent has armor" really matters. None of the european swordmanship arts we usually practice in HEMA do anything to armor either. We have half-swording and murder strikes depicted in some material, but that's not representative of the rest of the systems, as they are mostly focused on unarmoured combat. A sword is weak against plate armor.
      The real problem with Kendo flicks is not that they aren't strong, because they actually are! Kendoka learn to generate a lot of force. The problem is that they will be a lot slower and a lot harder to execute with anything heavier than a shinai, specially from middle guards. And the problem with Kendo overall, regarding combat strategy, is the same as sport fencing. Its mostly focused on getting a valid point first, regardless of consequences. Does not matter if you get afterblown, as long as your ki-ken-tai is correct. The focus on defense is restricted to the moment before you can hit the first valid blow. Doesn't matter if you can execute your blow safely. HEMA and "Kenjutsu" in general perceives this differently, and with a lot more options to execute it, even though sometimes gets thrown out of the water in competitions.

    • @AljosaPLampe
      @AljosaPLampe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jestfullgremblim8002 judo has a scissor takedown, but it is illegal to use in comps, cuz u can easily break someone’s knee with it

    • @outboundflight4455
      @outboundflight4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      we definitely need more Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu koryu sparring videos.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@AljosaPLampe we hardly train it for that reason, sometimes we drill it but it's just sometimes. in Japanese Jujutsu, they really want you to master it haha.
      It'a weird how it is banned on Judo for being dangerous, yet it is still used in other martial arts like Hapkido...

  • @datyeen
    @datyeen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +546

    As a student of German Longsword, i saw a lot of really great exchanges from both fighters. They both have great distance measuring too! This was awesome to watch!

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I trully enjoyed this one! A lot more than the kenjutsu vs kendo one. Combat philosophies are aligned this time around. You can frequently see retreating attacks, and I didn't see a single "suicide" lunge to get the ippon. Many timed strikes to the opponent's wrist, in the middle of an action. The weight of the weapon requires a different kind of movement aswell, compared to the shinai. Great work!

    • @larrylawnchair5570
      @larrylawnchair5570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think Longsword students as us can learn a much from them ;) Unfortunaly kenjutsu in its original form istn't teached in germany.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@larrylawnchair5570 What is the original form of kenjutsu? There are some koryu kenjutsu in Germany. I am aware of HIR, HNIR, MJER, TSKSR, KSR, and TSYR.

    • @arfinsyah
      @arfinsyah ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Ianmar1what the mean?

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@arfinsyah
      HIR = Hokushin itto ryu
      HNIR = Hyoho niten ichi ryu
      MJER = Muso jikiden eishin ryu
      TSKSR = Tenshin shoden katori shinto ryu
      KSR = Kashima shinto ryu
      TSYR = Takamura-ha shindo yoshin ryu

  • @GUNDAM00745
    @GUNDAM00745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    This looks incredible. I love the techniques showcase!
    My friend that doesn't understand kenjutsu always tells me that its so easy to "Tsuki/Stab" ppl and ask why ppl dont try it more. But I keep telling them stabbing is the most difficult and often times unrewarded. This video rly show's how hard it is to apply Tsuki into actual combat and for it to actually work.

    • @badfoody
      @badfoody 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Also got to consider
      Some Kenjutsu styles will avoid armor. Stabbing at an armor plate will just bounce off your sword

    • @water1374
      @water1374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      It's also a katana, which can stab but really REALLY wants to cut things.

    • @kronoscamron7412
      @kronoscamron7412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Tsuki requires alot of accuracy and its risky. its hard to counter but if its countered you will be a sitting duck.

    • @kronoscamron7412
      @kronoscamron7412 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@water1374 in such cases , that's where the wakizashi or tanto comes in ,as soon as you get in you stab or cut the gaps in armor.

  • @sikViduser
    @sikViduser 2 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    It's amazing seeing you two trade what would be fatal blows so frequently. It really puts into perspective how intense sword fights of the past would have been and how great swordsmen like Miyamoto Musashi actually were, to have won so many duels and with a boken no less.

    • @jamesoldham9995
      @jamesoldham9995 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I don't mean to be an "actually guy" or anything, but from what a recall, he only used a bokken in one fight. It was carved from an oar and was made specifically to outrange the especially long katana of his opponent.

    • @sikViduser
      @sikViduser ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@jamesoldham9995 My understanding was that he used a bokken in nearly all his duels. That he had no intention of killing most of his opponents.

    • @definitelynotniko
      @definitelynotniko ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@sikViduserMusashi talks about stabbing enemies in the face and cutting their hands and neck in Five Rings. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • @Crozeph1
      @Crozeph1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@sikViduser the bokken was both a taunt and him trying to have an advantage on that certain opponent

    • @franka7691
      @franka7691 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@sikViduser, also, I read that the great Musashi showed up extremely late to that duel, knowing that it would really piss off this specific opponent. *mind f*+k *

  • @CitronCoffee
    @CitronCoffee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I’m a Japanese who practice both Japanese koryu kenjutsu and Chinese martial arts.
    Your fights are very impressive! I can see you are trying to use some practical techniques. Not just power and speed, but technique.
    I’ll wait for your next videos.

    • @iosephbrito
      @iosephbrito 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow! That's basically the "curriculum" I wish I went for. I want to be good at:
      Blade Fighting:
      Kenjutsu, Kendo, Iaido, HEMA and Kali.
      Hand Fighting:
      Aikido, Wing Chun, Tai Chi and that one that starts with the letter B and is hard to spell.
      Can you advise me on following this path? Any types from someone who is more advanced?

  • @smol_hornet613
    @smol_hornet613 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Kenjutsu: *re-sheathes katana*
    Kendo: why do i hear boss music

  • @zachariahtaylor7811
    @zachariahtaylor7811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    This was Amazing!!!! I could watch 100’s more of these videos if they were just kenjutsu vs kenjutsu. Not enough people do this. Looking forward to more

  • @heresjonny666
    @heresjonny666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Nice. It's always good to see Kendo practitioners using bokken, the heavier weapon slowing the movements down and letting a more varied art to manifest.
    I've got to applaud the grit of these two. Getting hit full pelt by a bokken is pretty much like getting hit by a club, and they are only wearing kendo level protection! A lot of bruises in the next few days for them I expect.

    • @ninjafruitchilled
      @ninjafruitchilled 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah this was very cool to see, kendo really loses something with the light shinai.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Minimum regulation weight for a mens shinai is 510g. Bokken typically weigh between 500g and 600g. I would not be surprised if these polyurethane bokken are lighter still.

    • @ninjafruitchilled
      @ninjafruitchilled 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ianmar1 Really? I did kendo for a few years long ago, and I remember my bokken being noticeably heavier than shinai. And certainly both of them being much lighter than a katana.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@ninjafruitchilled The shinai that you used may have had the center of mass closer to the tsuka to emphasize speed over strength (center control) giving the impression that it was light, whereas your bokken was necessarily more evenly distributed.

    • @-nomi.-
      @-nomi.- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Ianmar1 Can't say much as just a spectator, but as far as I understand it from the physics perspective, having mass being distributed further up means more mass as the point of contact, which delivers more energy to the recipient. Same principle as a hammer, though to a lesser degree of course.

  • @MidwestArtMan
    @MidwestArtMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This might be my favorite video you guys have done. The back and forth exchanges and all of the deflections are so cool.

  • @presentlee9403
    @presentlee9403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Also this channel's idea often go crazy, this might be the most realistic katana fight I've ever seen.

  • @KamiSeiTo
    @KamiSeiTo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Probably your best video! (Or at least, my favourite.) Thank you for the English, and the sound effects add a lot! That's great! Thank you.

  • @Switchfork
    @Switchfork 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Oh my god so cool! The switch steps from Blue to create angles were really effective, fantastic to watch.

  • @shinomori69
    @shinomori69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video that shows the importance of distance management.

    • @alessandrolizzio6338
      @alessandrolizzio6338 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      proper distance management and timing are the core of meele combat

  • @andrebaxter4023
    @andrebaxter4023 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like how the music changed when one of the warriors chose to try out an iaijutsu. Nice editing. 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @anotakudetective1546
    @anotakudetective1546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    5:07 we might as well start calling him Kenshin Himura because that seems to be his best attack

    • @jamofwar0910
      @jamofwar0910 ปีที่แล้ว

      My exact thought haha.

  • @nicholasthurmond4006
    @nicholasthurmond4006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You guys should make a movie with these two, they're so fun to watch!

  • @peregarrett
    @peregarrett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh! That's just incredible!
    Also, first minute before realizing hit sounds are put over video: "WHAT? they fight with real steel swords, with stabing allowed? OMG Crazy dudes..."
    And spinning strike at 5:50 - rare moment when it feels appliable, had to rawatch at slowest speed

  • @angryzombie8088
    @angryzombie8088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good stuff there, its good to see Kenjutsu sparring because in sparring is where you see which one works & which doesnt.

  • @Makoiye
    @Makoiye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    As always. The movement is so fluid and its just a matter of give and take with emphasis on an external factor to kill/maim. Always great

  • @darkstormvoyager9281
    @darkstormvoyager9281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Please do more like this! That takedown at 2:40 was amazing

    • @IIISWILIII
      @IIISWILIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, that was pretty sick. Had to re-watch a couple of times to convince myself it wasn't premeditated

    • @patrickfry1000
      @patrickfry1000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Much closer to Tennen Rishin Ryu, very effective against people wearing armor.
      If I am remembering my terminology correctly, they entered Tsuka Zeriai then the one in the blue attempted a takedown guy in black attempted to reverse it, but wasn’t fast enough.

  • @user-yn4po3ve6n
    @user-yn4po3ve6n 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This was super awesome, I love the fluidity from both practitioners. Also, you guys must have arms of steel to take kote strikes with bokken!!

  • @weaponman3872
    @weaponman3872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The level of lethality here is insane , I watch a lot of HEMA and you guys would definitely do very will in a competition , I would love to see katana fighting like this catch on more great job !!

  • @Bluebuthappy182
    @Bluebuthappy182 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Some lovely exchanges between these two well done to both.

  • @rocelderamos3013
    @rocelderamos3013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Those iaijutsu techniques were smooth 😍

  • @kaichi
    @kaichi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is definitely my favorite video! I loved watching these two spar.

  • @athallahhafidz7689
    @athallahhafidz7689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is really fun to watch. You need to do more of this stuff. Waiting for your next kenjutsu vs kenjutsu videos!

  • @theimmitigableone8056
    @theimmitigableone8056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    You can see why Katanas are dueling weapons, really enjoyable to watch. A beauty you won't see in actual warfare. A spear or halberd is too effective to be as much of a spectacle.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, they were just for dueling or to try and survive if you lost your other weapons (and fell of your horse if you were on one).

    • @eagle162
      @eagle162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They were used a lot in warfare and in some cases a sword would have been the preferred weapon, Japanese swords were even imported across Asia for combat use.
      Not just for duels.

    • @theimmitigableone8056
      @theimmitigableone8056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@jestfullgremblim8002 you're thinking of Tachi which are longer heavier swords for use against cavalry. Katana is primarily a sidearm or dueling weapon. Spears and other polearms have always dominated the battlefield.

    • @eagle162
      @eagle162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theimmitigableone8056 that's not really true,also Tachi being heavier and longer is a modern classification. katanas could be longer prior to the edo period Where laws were made regarding blade length.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@eagle162 true

  • @thesillymoose193
    @thesillymoose193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Absolutely love the quick and accurate cuts of kendo but the footwork is what impresses me the most !

    • @SkygirlGamingChannel
      @SkygirlGamingChannel ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean Kenjutsu, in the end Kendo only uses a few stances compared to the whole range of Kenjutsu. Maybe they do Kendo too but this here is kenjutsu.
      Kendo is more about hitting an opponent, Kenjutsu about executing moves to slice trough and well kill. They have some similarity's though

  • @Freelocybin
    @Freelocybin ปีที่แล้ว +2

    finally some pactical katana fencing and not flashy dance routines.

  • @dlugikudlaty3589
    @dlugikudlaty3589 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Amazing piece of art 🤩

  • @tristanmullin1473
    @tristanmullin1473 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome to watch, it would be nice if these kind of gyms were located in more places

  • @theestablishmenta7903
    @theestablishmenta7903 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Very good I wish a color would be added to be able to identify who is who.. Also to the young lady if he pushes you down with his weight try and consider pushing one of his feet away with your foot or quickly stepping behind his nearest leg to get away or push him away with your upper body

  • @rockkandyplay5692
    @rockkandyplay5692 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's so hard to find Kenjutsu videos so this was a treat! Very inspiring, thank you

  • @NinjaFox-pe3dv
    @NinjaFox-pe3dv 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best martial arts channel on TH-cam.

  • @dereklong801
    @dereklong801 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally fell down the Kenjutsu rabbit hole on your channel. Thanks for such great content!

  • @richardfitswell898
    @richardfitswell898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Editing was top notch!! And the whole video was incredibly entertaining, thank you :)

  • @loneaquila
    @loneaquila 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Watching this makes me want to learn both Kendo and Kenjutsu, it feels so invigorating to watch masters battle it out using an elegant martial art.

  • @sksmsEKdn
    @sksmsEKdn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Holy shite those grappling moves are SWEET!

  • @eastoforion
    @eastoforion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Are these closer to the weight of an actual sword? It was fun to see a little slower fight than with shinai :)

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      They said it was close to a bokuto's weight. So not quite like a uchigatana, but still much more interesting than with a shinai.

    • @rinkisaragi
      @rinkisaragi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bokuto would be slightly closer to the weight of a katana than a shinai would, but still not close enough, and it depends on the density of the wood as well. I bet they’re only using lower quality “throwaway” bokuto here for combat, weight would probably be in the 500+g range. An actual katana is closer to 1kg thereabouts.

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @S the "heavy feel" has more to do with where the point of balance lies. A 800g arming sword with a point of balance of 10cm from the guard will feel clunkier and heavier than a 900g sidesword with a point of balance of 8cm from the start of the ricasso - and it's usually a longer sword. (Both 1 handed swords)

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video! One of the best yet! ⚔

  • @WinnipegKnightlyArts
    @WinnipegKnightlyArts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is a really excellent display of skill, great job to both fencers. I really like seeing how the interactions worked with the steel blades compared to shinai. What kind of training swords did you use here?

    • @weaponism
      @weaponism  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This is a polyurethane katana left as a fixed comment.🤺

    • @WinnipegKnightlyArts
      @WinnipegKnightlyArts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@weaponism ah, interesting, I usually find polycarbonate swords to be very slippery compared to steel ones. I'm very interested to see a dull training version of a katana so that I can train with kendoka/kenjutsu practitioners with a Feder. I think with a mesh mask it should work pretty well.

    • @sepg5084
      @sepg5084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WinnipegKnightlyArts if they used dull steel blades in this match, their forearms would be filled with blunt force injuries by the end of the match due to the number of forearm cuts that happened.

    • @WinnipegKnightlyArts
      @WinnipegKnightlyArts 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sepg5084 the gauntlets protect the forearm. Getting hit by a shinai repeatedly in the forearm isn't that much different

  • @juilescieg
    @juilescieg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was very fun to watch. As an Iaidoka, I learned a lot from this video.
    Both very skilled.

  • @bockskarr6626
    @bockskarr6626 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo this was badass!!! I wish there was dojo near me. There might be 1. I gotta call and see what's up with katana training. Keep up the great work 💪🏼👍🏼

  • @corruptangel6793
    @corruptangel6793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    3 Dan: "my powers of doubled since last time, friend."
    1 Dan: "Good for you. Twice the pride, double the fall."
    *3 Dan gets hit first*
    Actually caught me by surprise, I expected the 3dan to dominate but they seemed pretty even, especially in the beginning. By my count, the 3Dan got 13 hits and the 1Dan got 8 hits

    • @captare
      @captare 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The thing with Dan in black belts, that's it in Aikido and Judo at least, is that higher Dans doesn't mean better martial skills, it's more contributions and time of service in the martial art in question.
      To other factors such as, in training you train but also teach. A practitioner may focus more on the Craft than on Martiality as well.
      But it is even natural to associate higher Dans with better combat skills.

    • @GatAnarquista
      @GatAnarquista 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@captare In kendo you cant go up a dan without going through a strict exam so it does mean that a higher dan is always better than a lower dan. I assume it's the same for kenjutsu.

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GatAnarquista Which doesn't mean a higher dan is always more athletic than a lower dan. Westerners tend to put a lot more emphasis on Dan ranks as if it fully represented a precise line of the practicioner's skill. It doesn't. It's not a leaderboard.

    • @GatAnarquista
      @GatAnarquista 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@18ps3anos I mean the exam consists of katas and combat. If you're not good enough at one of those things you fail, so in order to be a certain Dan you have to have the required skill. A 1st Dan couldn't pass a 3rd Dan exam, so the 3rd Dan is better.

    • @18ps3anos
      @18ps3anos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GatAnarquista better is relative. You are saying that 8th Dans are better than national team athletes in their prime? It's not that linear, because in Kendo you are evaluated in more things than combat effectiveness. But then again, this was a kenjutsu exhibition. Kendo is not particularly known to be combat accurate.

  • @LohChunSheng
    @LohChunSheng 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Please do more of kenjutsu sparring videos!
    This video is incredible! Thank you!

  • @xtensionxward3659
    @xtensionxward3659 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is why real Samurai duels were very short
    you miss your chance and you're dead

  • @olympicmovies9441
    @olympicmovies9441 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just great. Can't stop watching. I respect all the mordern sports, but i missed the good old sword combat. Please more! ❤

  • @Ebola-Kun
    @Ebola-Kun ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just reading Book of 5 rings and wanted to see some of the stances and attitudes spoke of in the book. Great video 🙏🏾

  • @outboundflight4455
    @outboundflight4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    As a fellow Iaijutsu Koryu and Kendo practitioner I'm genuinely curious what style of Kenjutsu is the 3rd Dan. looks like the same one who did Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu in the Kendo vs. Kenjutsu video? what lineage does he do? Sugino? can't be Shinbukan?

    • @penttikoivuniemi2146
      @penttikoivuniemi2146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm pretty sure it's the same guy. Might actually both be the same guys but the kendo dude is playing more in a kenjutsu-looking style.

    • @Veepee92
      @Veepee92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My gut feeling tells me it's the same TSKRS guy too. It must be Sugino line as well; I don't think he would be participating in a video if he'd actually done keppan.

    • @outboundflight4455
      @outboundflight4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Veepee92 right I would figure so?

    • @Veepee92
      @Veepee92 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@outboundflight4455 He has his own TH-cam channel; maybe see if he answers the question there?

    • @biterlames3220
      @biterlames3220 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      sugawara ha

  • @MarcosMakosu
    @MarcosMakosu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    cool video, in Brazil there is the niten institute, based on Miyamoto musashi's techniques, they mix kenjutsu and kendo efficiently

  • @marzbitenhaussen
    @marzbitenhaussen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like this better than kendo, as kendo seems to me a more ceremonial and competition sport with many rules, this seems closer to a real sword fight which is very cool

  • @moxygenpathogen7678
    @moxygenpathogen7678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This channel is God-Tier

  • @arfinsyah
    @arfinsyah ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great sparring, kenjutsu vs Kendo. Kenjutsu vs Kenjutsu.

  • @badfoody
    @badfoody 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What i wanna see is traditional Kenjutsu. Like the really old styles from the Samurai days
    Vs Kendo the sport

  • @thrillhouse4151
    @thrillhouse4151 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks really cool, I love the stance changes and back and forth’s.

  • @yokoh691
    @yokoh691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favorite one!
    More please

  • @GallowglassAxe
    @GallowglassAxe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was great to watch. I'm curious, what style of Kenjutsu you were doing?

  • @spearheadrifleman
    @spearheadrifleman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is the sickest sword sparing I’ve seen. Damn! Such clean movements!

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the commitment to the attack 😁. JSA styles typically don't teach a defensive mindset for this reason.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @LawyerSean These are both kendo guys (see 0:18). Blademan B had a 3rd dan in kendo and self studies tameshigiri, whereas Hogu Yeom had a 1st dan qnd otherwise no kenjutsu training; they have since each passed 4th dan and 2nd dan respectively.
      Edit: wrong timestamp

  • @mdyzward8553
    @mdyzward8553 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EPIC!!!!!! So cool! More more more please! Love when you guys mix up weapons and fighting styles too, maybe do a weapon art vs bjj or wrestling or something

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A really good training session 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @wastelander3116
    @wastelander3116 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would really like to see more kejutsu sparring videos. I hear they don't put their art into practice much unless you find a special place that does. So, this video is a rare jewel.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kenjutsu schools tend to be very private, even those which are known to spar are very selective are very selective about what they make public.

    • @wastelander3116
      @wastelander3116 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ianmar1 it sure seems that way.

  • @michaeltrimidal567
    @michaeltrimidal567 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it was amazing to watch. i wish more videos about kenjutsu
    next kendo vs kenjutsu

  • @ThatGuysDog
    @ThatGuysDog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love watching this. I just wish the sword didn't get lost in the background at times so I could watch it more closely.

  • @nytrodralyg5268
    @nytrodralyg5268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    THAT WAS INCREDIBLE

  • @ioannisiordanoglou3373
    @ioannisiordanoglou3373 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my oppinion this is what japanese swordsmanship should be like!
    It's not like I can't understand the beauty of kendo but the variety of techniks we see in kenjutsu is just so beautiful.
    There is variation of technic, variation of targets,variation of guards and everything in between.
    Like HEMA but with japanese swords. If this was an actual thing I would love to try it out.

  • @femiolowofoyeku5852
    @femiolowofoyeku5852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This shows you how quick sword fights would be in real life.

  • @lilcheat3
    @lilcheat3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!!! What amazing skill from both practitioners!!! Just awesome to watch!

  • @1oddentity
    @1oddentity 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really cool video, I'm taking kenjutsu classes and I really wish some of these weren't in slow motion so I can learn from watching and slow the video down on my own if I need to

  • @daniel-lee888
    @daniel-lee888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That was well done, and a refreshing change from "tippy tap" of shinai sparring. Good control and skill by both fighters. I wonder if we will ever see blunt steel katanas used like western longsword sparring? (with correct protection of course.)

    • @eagle162
      @eagle162 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blunt steel katanas for sparring already exist.

    • @daniel-lee888
      @daniel-lee888 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eagle162 Yes so I wanted to see videos of skilled Kenjutsu fighters (not a WMA guy swinging a katana) use them, but they would need different (untraditional) protection.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that the Toyama ryu guys have some bluns steel katana sparring.

  • @femiolowofoyeku5852
    @femiolowofoyeku5852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the editing… and cute blood affects

  • @louiscypher4219
    @louiscypher4219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did you get the scabbards? The link shows only the practice katana.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I got one from Tozando, although any shop that sells iaido equipment should sell those.

  • @unknownghost3145
    @unknownghost3145 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    *The old ways.*

  • @MichaelNoMyers
    @MichaelNoMyers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:07 isn’t this particular style called battoujutsu?

    • @MichaelNoMyers
      @MichaelNoMyers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @S oh okay, I always thought battou was specifically just attacking from a position where the sword is drawn. Thanks for informing! 😁

  • @rakshal132
    @rakshal132 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most entertaining one I've seen so far. Didn't see any specs on how much the sword weighs but it looks closer to the weight of an actual sword. I love that the one in blue even incorporates some level of grappling to control the opponents sword. I'm curious on how scoring is done in this system, it looks like on a glance that this has anywhere as a valid target but I'm not sure. Also wonder if there is any after hits taken into consideration, or if it is just based on who lands a hit first?

  • @getsideways7257
    @getsideways7257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unlike kendo, this actually does look like swordfighting. And not just because of the swords shapes resembling swords, but because of the fluidity of slicing movements and parrying.
    Kenjutsu definitely needs more coverage.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      These are the same guys from the kendo vs kenjutsu video. One has only studied kenjutsu via kendo.

    • @getsideways7257
      @getsideways7257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ianmar1 I can see that one of them is not particularly good at this, but it's still much more enjoyable to watch than kendo.

  • @d_ruggs
    @d_ruggs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    love the way these are edited

  • @quentinbrown9300
    @quentinbrown9300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:10 Ha! Sometimes I guess it's just that easy. I mean, to be fair, In-no-kamai as a stance is rather effective against Jodan, at least in my experience.

  • @Kyojuro___Rengoku
    @Kyojuro___Rengoku 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a cool and original channel! I love it. 🔥❤️🙏🏻

  • @أخبار.الخلافة
    @أخبار.الخلافة 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mon couple favori sur TH-cam. Vous partagez ensemble la passion du Bushido et la communiquez avec vos excellentes vidéos. Merci ❤️

  • @sbvg1168
    @sbvg1168 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    More if this !!
    Awesome i didnt Know about Kenjutsu just woaaaaw so fluidso beautiful and lethal! Your footwork is mesmerizing
    Please more Kenjutsu vs Kenjutsu ! 😍

  • @hiroyukisanada6549
    @hiroyukisanada6549 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best channel ever

  • @gomcse
    @gomcse ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man, this was FANTASTIC

  • @rowanscheunemann6733
    @rowanscheunemann6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man this is fantastic, I would really love to learn kenjutsu.

  • @AramisDurbervilles
    @AramisDurbervilles หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hermosas técnicas. ¡Que buen sparring! 🪄 Hay un par de movimientos de Iaijutsu geniales. ¡Llevo!

  • @astigako123
    @astigako123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FINALLY ACTUAL KATANA SPARRING

  • @YYorle
    @YYorle ปีที่แล้ว

    impressive! All these stabs and thrusts with steel swords? That takes a lot of guts, experience, skill and trust.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The swords are rubber. They added sound effects in editing.

  • @ms.tiadaniel8415
    @ms.tiadaniel8415 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:49 That was beautiful! 🎉

  • @larrylawnchair5570
    @larrylawnchair5570 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLEASE PLEASE give us more like that. Kenjutsu in its original form is very rare to find. I want to learn more about that and adopt it in my HEMA fighting style. Espacaly the foodwork is very impressive. All those clean movements, i can't get enough of this, it looks so perfectly.

  • @TomoeMichieru
    @TomoeMichieru 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those cuts to the back of the neck look scary, even with gear

  • @DahRahzor
    @DahRahzor 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pretty entertaining, but I doubt people would move so nonchalantly with and against a proper sword: the fact of wearing a training armor and wielding wooden/plastic swords makes it so that practitioners feel "safe" to perform cut movements as they won't severely injure the opponent, so sparring as such is just for the sake of playing around (definitely fun to do, though), as it is not representative of actual danger and decision-making in situations where real swords are used.
    Anyway, unfortunately it is not a great idea (for legal reasons, etc.) to practice sparring with proper blades, so this is the best people can do to feel like they are dueling with swords... a sport duel, not a real shiai (free combat), in which practitioners trained precision and control with real swords, without armor; definitely scary and risky, and that's the reason why nowadays sparring in traditional kenjutsu styles is not really a thing: it is better to keep practicing elements you can still train the same way as before (e.g. kata, kihon, etc.), instead of transforming the shiai in something that can appeal novices and people who want to compete.

  • @kennethcastaneda6848
    @kennethcastaneda6848 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is amazing.....well done....
    great swordsmanship

  • @أخبار.الخلافة
    @أخبار.الخلافة 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellente vidéo Merci. Quel belle chaîne. Un contenu très intéressant. Un sparring au katana. Magnifique ♥️

  • @LordVex47
    @LordVex47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see kenjutsu fencing for real :D

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Real kenjutsu fencing, at least the koryu (pre Meiji), is done with a shinai (assuming they don't want to kill eachother).

  • @johnlin3959
    @johnlin3959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is interesting to me that the zanshin is completely different. I get the impression it's because the rules for points are less restrictive as well. While most points are scored to kendo ippon, there are many that would not be ippon in kendo that you seem to count as hits. I would love to understand why the fighters changed their zanshin. What went through their minds. I ask because kendo zanshin of charging through the opponent always seemed very unique. No other martial art really does that.

    • @outboundflight4455
      @outboundflight4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      zanshin would apply more with full commitment to after a killing strike. they're basically sparring.

    • @johnlin3959
      @johnlin3959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@outboundflight4455 I would agree with that, except their swings are far more committed than kendo cuts. You see their missed attacks practically hitting the floor. Shouldn't that mean that they need to get out of the way even more? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

    • @outboundflight4455
      @outboundflight4455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@johnlin3959 my experience would say that their execution of cuts were solid and committing well. They were landing full killing blows majority of rounds. If they weren't wearing Bogu alot of those rounds one of them would have died or both would have critical wounds.
      As for moving or dodging the blade... in this case bokken or even a Nihonto is a couple centimeters thick. You really don't have to move that much away to dodge a fully committed Kirioshi or Men strike to the head. All it takes is like 15 degree move to the sides or corners then counter while their body is fully exposed on their side.
      To be honest if someone cuts and you dodge but you create alot of distance between their blade and your body that gives them the advantage to counter with another cut since space was created or even delivering a more lethal counter strike than if you only gave them 15 degrees instead of a 50 degree tenkan.
      Another rethink I would have suggested and it's my opinion. But it's good to overwhelm your opponents space within kamae and where your Monouchi is effective. So take their space...get in there and make them move. If you're just slapping each other hoping to land a stike it might not land and you'll be parried.
      Musashi was correct when he said you have to fight in a swordfight with the idea that you're already dead. My sensei once told me you have to get in there and take their space, make them move and break their defence and land the strike. The chances of you surviving a fight are very low. So minus well commit all the was knowing you WILL be cut or even die. That's the only way to survive.

    • @johnlin3959
      @johnlin3959 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@outboundflight4455 Maybe my question is unclear, so let me provide some context.
      Before kendo, I did a lot of boffer fighting and dabbled in fencing. Despite having practiced kendo for many years now, I still find kendo zanshin to be unintuitive. My understanding of the practical aspects of zanshin is continued battle readiness even after you've landed what you think is a telling blow.
      In fencing and boffers, you do this through a combination of staying on guard and/or backing out to create distance. Kendo's unique method of zanshin is to charge past/through the opponent. Of course there are other ways to show zanshin in kendo, but this is the primary method.
      So my question is about why, despite both being kendo yudansha and sparring in a format very similar to kendo, did they never zanshin by charging through the opponent? Instead their zanshin is very similar to what I would expect out of fencers, boffer fighters, HEMA, or literally any other swordsmanship style.
      Maybe my question is multifold: Why does it seem like kendo is the only one that encourages zanshin by charging through? Why do these kendoka suddenly zanshin like other styles once you take away their shinai and make them keiko with bokuto?
      My first thought is that it's because they're cutting all the way through. It's very hard to charge through your opponent when your kensen is pointed at your opponent's feet after your attack.
      I hope that clarified my post.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnlin3959 As I understand it, zanshin means a continued awareness of the opponent, and the danger that they pose. We teach beginners to charge through because it distracts the least from a commitment to the strike, and since their momentum is already forwards is the fastest way inside the opponents attacking range -> into their blind spot -> and out of their attacking range. This habit along with taiatari simulates tackeling and wresteling an opponent to the ground, however since we are doing kendo and not judo, we remain standing and go past eachother. At higher levels zanshin also means never losing line of sight on an opponent thus turning around once you pass the opponent, however we do not train this in kihon since it encourages bad habits e.g. infighting, and late hits as well as slow lazy zanshin.

  • @andrewbidwell6421
    @andrewbidwell6421 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks much more authentic to how swordsmanship in Japan was like. I do think they could be a little more aggressive with their thrusting (much like long swords in HEMA) as in a real fight that’s the fastest way to kill or cause a reaction from your opponent that you can counter.

  • @TheMisterGuy
    @TheMisterGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just want to be there, doing that. Instead of here, in a room with a computer, seeing a video of it. But it is a good video.

  • @fabusira245
    @fabusira245 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That´s so f*cking cool!!!

  • @ayyonmichaels9731
    @ayyonmichaels9731 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That first exchange was nice.

  • @gone3281
    @gone3281 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wait what? are those boken with metal sound added right?