Addressing Problems In The Narration Of Indian Prehistory | Dr. Raj Vedam
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- About The Talk:
Delve into the complexities of understanding India's prehistory in "Addressing Problems In The Narration Of Indian Prehistory." This video sheds light on the challenges historians face in piecing together the past, including the limitations of archaeological evidence and the potential biases in traditional narratives. Explore how scholars are working to overcome these obstacles and gain a deeper understanding of this fascinating period. Whether you're a history buff or simply curious about India's roots, this video offers a thought-provoking exploration
About The Speaker:
Dr. Raj Vedam, MSEE, Ph.D., works at the confluence of applied mathematics, engineering, algorithms, and computer science. Using tools of Archeo-Genetics, archeo- astronomy, and archaeology, and evidence of knowledge transfers from ancient India, the speaker has put forward a strong thesis with verifiable facts, on the antiquity of the Indian Civilisation, and the many discoveries made me the ancients. Dr. Raj Vedam is a co-founder of the think-tank, Indian History Awareness, and Research, and resides in Houston, Texas.
He can be reached at rajvedam[at]yahoo[dot]com and on Facebook at / raj.vedam.1
Topics Covered:
00:00 Power statement
01:06 Topic Introduction
02:40 Unsatisfactory Historiography Of India
05:24 The Five Frameworks of Colonial Historiography
10:46 Motivation Of Agencies To Control Identities
12:03 Criminal Distortion Of History
13:57 Model based Analysis Of Historiography
15:12 Linguistics, Archeology And “Aryans”
22:56 Rebuttal To Aryan Invasion Theory
30:09 Rebuttal To Aryan Migration Theory
45:48 Antiquity Of The Indian People
01:02:26 Antiquity Seen in Indian Astronomy
01:21:05 Rebutting Max Muller’s Chrono;logy
01:24:23 Concluding Remarks
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There should be a panel of researchers like Dr Raj Vedam, Dr
Nilesh Oak, Dr. Rupa Bhaty, Dr. Vikram Sampath and other such intellectuals, such that together the chronology of not just Ramayan and Mahabharata but every stories we have heard of till now can be given a chronological order, and proceed towards an understanding of time in universe
Very grateful for the structured information
This talk needs to reach a much larger audience especially our youth who are vulnerable to the negative influences. Thank you Dr. Raj Vedam ji 🙏
This is wonderful and comprehensive history of ancient India. Thank you for sharing, this a great effort in correcting our history and what we studied is incorrect 🙏🙏🙏
Let him bring out a peer reviewed science paper .
..@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg Have you even watched the video? He has used peer reviewed research to debunk your Aryan Invasion/Migration/Tourism/Picnic theory. What other "peer reviewed science paper" do you want?
@@RT-oz3lg Really relevant research paper is the one by Harvard University David reichs paper establishing Aryan migration which nobody has disproved so far .
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg What's the paper titled? And what makes it so special? Because there are so many papers shown in this video that are, as you say, "really relevant".
I mean, you're obviously not unaware of the fact that they claim origins of spoke wheeled horse chariots and even horses as Europe but the Sinauli excavations prove otherwise. It is the Archaeological Survey of India that carried it out. Not made up by a tiny insignificant institute. The sad part is, the ASI ever since B.B. Lal's time has debunked the Aryan theory. Even Rakhigarhi proves continuity. Why are we championing foreign institutes known to have vested interests especially when our own ASI and geneticists like Dr. Neeraj Rai deny it?
So fantastic, it debunks so many myths! Thank you 🙏🏾
Sir, you're a diamond💎♦ gem of my India🇮🇳 Bharat .
Human life and memory have shortest tenure compared to other features of this earth..
History can be believed only to some distance in time..
The Vedas ,Ramayan and Mahabharat and the other stories followed .. all are tampered and framed to the authors ' whims and fancies ...
Great discussion, keep them coming! These are really informative to synthesize the pain points of the colonial narrative from an Indic perspective, which continues to be applied with a broad brush for all indigenous histories.
Sir main Krishna hoon, actually Human species is a chemical reaction that happend inside earth and slowly came out on surface and then on soil. We call it evolution. And on soil there was an instance when this species got empowered with humanity that instance was conversion of monkeys to humans and who empowered them they were spiritual beings called saptrishis and this process originated and happened in land of Bharat and then they spread themselves into whole world.
So this species has nothing to do with any cast, religion, color or any thing that is described as discrimination. Sanatan is a scientific tool that civilised this species. But everything has changed now that is why planet is suffering.
Sighning off kalki.
OMG...what an eyes-opening and mind boggling session it is?Thank you so much sir.
I had to knowledge about Astronomy, astrology,...Indian history ..outside text books.
Thank you .
Excellent work by Sri Raj Vedam
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ let us create our history
Thanks for immense works. A request for camera person, please keep focus on the screen and not on the speaker. That will help to focus on the content and improve value of the presentation
Super 💯👌👏👏🙏✌️
So deep, can't imagine possible for one man, salute to you. Please communicate with PMO n other agencies to change n provide moderate space to mention events, intension, religion agendas, traitor's DNA n their punishment.....
in our history book.❤❤❤
Or their statement on this dimension of facts raised by you.
I watch Nilesh Oaks Sugrivas Atlas...Sugriva had visited, travelled far and wide and he describes land and people of different places...Valmiki Ramayana.
In Mahabrata which much later ...Nileshji says a lot of me from places till Syria to Indonesia came to fight in the war. Sanjaya describes foreign land people to Dhristrastra...but Noone talks of a foreign race aryans coming and taking over.
Haplogroup studies show R1a was in India before 5,000 BC and modern science doesn't support AIT or AMT.
There's been no significant outside genetic influence into India after 5000 BC (some push it well before then).
The Vedas *were written well before the time of the majority opinion concerning AMT:*
AMT [Hypothesis] was posited after the end of the British Raj. It was a colonial replacement for the AIT.
Now to the Haplogroup studies with prior, pertinent information:
The Saraswati River is known to have flowed for *thousands of years* and then saw a gradual decline *long before 1500 BC,* causing the inhabitants to flee the environs to other areas. Satellite imagery *(plus the study of sites along the river)* has discovered its ancient channels.
This river had a gradual decline from around 5,000 BC until it dried out around 1500 BC. The Vedic descriptions of it thus *logically preceded the drying up of its ancient channels,* thus those who wrote the Vedas described it *long before the proposed time period of AMT* and had to have lived their *locally, continually,* to report on it *over time.*
The following extensive Haplogroup studies (available online) show there was *no significant outside genetic influence into India after 5000 BC:*
*Polarity and Temporality of High-Resolution Y-Chromosome Distributions in India Identify Both Indigenous and Exogenous Expansions and Reveal Minor Genetic Influence of Central Asian Pastoralists*
Am J Hum Genet. 2006 Feb; 78(2): 202-221. Published online 2005 Dec 16. doi: 10.1086/499411 PMCID: PMC1380230PMID: 1640060
*Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a*
Eur J Hum Genet. 2010 Apr; 18(4): 479-484. Published online 2009 Nov 4. doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.194 PMCID: PMC2987245PMID: 19888303
The following also torpedoes an overwhelming, pervasive AIT or AMT invasion or migration:
*"Genomic view on the peopling of India."*
Investig Genet. 2012; 3: 20. Published online 2012 Oct 1. doi: 10.1186/2041-2223-3-20 PMCID: PMC3514343PMID: 23020857
*Sharma S. et al. The Indian origin of paternal haplogroup R1a1* substantiates the autochthonous origin of Brahmins and the caste system. Journal of Human Genetics (2009) 54, 47-55; doi:10.1038/jhg.2008.2
Another study from 2015 rips apart AIT, AMT: *Lucotte G. (2015) The Major Y-Chromosome Haplotype XI - Haplogroup R1a in Eurasia.* Hereditary Genet 4:150. doi: 10.4172/2161-1041.1000150
Overwhelmingly, Indians - Northern or Southern - are highly genetically similar per these and other studies: *Indian ancestry revealed Elie Dolgin Nature (2009).*
Haplogroup studies that focus on a select portion of Harrapana are very limited in scope and length, an outside invasion/migration of peoples is nonetheless being posited as the only ones capable of producing the Vedas, ignoring the overwhelming evidence of the aforementioned scientific studies and ignoring the DNA there that goes against AMT.
Universities that propagated AIT have moved on to promoting AMT. These "scholars" suppress the haplogroup data that counters them while a multifaceted approach to these issues is eschewed by those doing the censoring.
The more things change the more they remain the same: seeing northern Indians pitted against southern Indians, vice versa, or one race pitted against another taking place in the world is nonetheless tiresome to behold.
The caste system was not imposed upon Bharat indigenous by outsiders following the "AMT", There is very little genetic difference between northern and southern Indians, and the Vedas were compiled long before the majority opinion's proposed date of AMT.
The 2019 genetic study paper " formation of population in south and central asia " by haravard university authored by many indian scientists also has clearly established aryan migration .
The rakhigarhi DNA also complemented the same. !
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg More recent findings, within the last year, dispute that and also say the level of incursion looks to be much smaller than originally posited.
Excellent points. The old model said linguistics was everything, they ignored what they disagree with out of bigotry, but the superior model uses a multifaceted approach of geology, carbon dating (as was done on ceramics dated at 6000 years old in India of a yoga pose (far earlier than Harrapan civilization), satellite imagery, astronomy, archaeoastronomy, haplogroup studies, etc.
Did Bharat, pre-Indo Europeans have high civilization? Yes. Did the Ice Man undo the old model, pushing highly crafted copper tools being made 1000 years earlier than originally posited? Yes.
And on and on it goes.
@@ThomasSt40 Which scientific paper ? What is its title ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgI just read it not a month ago. I'll try and find it again.
Hridayam became rhythem..while wikipedia says heart disease are called rhythmic disease based on greek etmology and norefrence to sanskrit.
Das became deci mal system
लाखों आये लाखों जायें लाखों लगाए ध्यान मिले हीरा का परिचय तो कोई जौहरी उठा ले जाए❤
All the recorded History the flow of humans was into India from outside It is difficult to believe that in pre historic times it has reverse
So many migrations happened in pre history out of India to all kinds of places including South East Asia. Google Panjkent for instance
Colonial people divided the societies, they wanted to rule.
A society that wrote celestial events as stories, was mocked by and is mocked by many. But I think Astronomy can be the ...big nail....indeginous nail.
When Shakespeare wrote...I am constant as the North star...he did not know about precision, but our ancestors did.
They used the night sky, the stars to let their story be dated back ...BC become BCE...but stars do not need prefix or suffix.
Any comments on Bhimbatka painting timeline and rakhi gari carban dating and migration theory
Migration from Indian towards Mediterranean, Central Asia and even to Slavic regions had always been happening in large numbers - both back and forth. It's also mentioned in several accounts. That's not new. R1 and R2 haplogroup studies indicate gene flow from Indian Peninsula towards the Mediterranean, not so much from there to us! So while migration was mostly of Indians and central Asians towards the Mediterranean and slavic/Baltic regions. However, the Caucasians weren't moving towards India or central Asia as such. Gene flow supports that. The Caucasians weren't even civilized to do so! So definitely there was intermixing of population through reproduction but it was mostly from Indian Peninsula and Central towards the outside, not so much from the outside to the former.
In fact the society was symbiotic, yes in calamities Citi dwellers helped the affected
We in Kutch and Sindh always say we are Indus Valleyians , we are laughed at by immigrants who trace their lineage to Prophet and full stop
Can you explain on Harappan culture
What were the flaws in India (Bharat) society that a few men on boats, thousands of miles away from their home could have such a devastating effect in India.
It’s JUST THE SANATANA Dharma that has all tenets and served them to its branches that are other religions..
it’s the MOTHER OF ALL RELIGIONS OF THIS EARTH ., Ask them to deny this is EVER SHINING TRUTH ..
Interesting topic, can I have the contact details and e mail id of Mr Raj Vedam🙏
Sir great presentation. I feel that our Vedic culture has been deliberately changed and expounded by the British. Under Islamic onslaught Sanatana Dharma survived. The cunning evil British & Europeans tried to destroy our culture which they did to an extent. Translating our Vedic texts into English and then creating records of Abhrahamic religions as superior to our ancient culture is what happened. One of these is about Caste theory. A Divide &Rule Policy with Conversions and an Aryan theory was put in place. Aryans were superior to original natives(Aadivasis) and Caste took centre stage. Caste derived from Spanish Casta (born of Nobleman). This was used extremely effectively to divide our social structure. Every group of people from ancient times divided their social structure as Warriors, Traders, Workers and Priests (different classes)This still continues in modern days. Armed Forces, Traders & Industries, Workers(Agri & Industrial) and Spiritual Organizations and Teachers/ Scientists. British took Casta, created Caste to superimposed on the above Vocational Division of Work. They coined the word JAADI from our Sanskrit word JAATI which is LIFEFORMS. These Lifeforms are: Pashu Jaati (Land Mammals), Jaala Jantu Jaati(Aquatic Lifeforms), Visha Jantu Jaati(Poisonous Lifeforms),Pakshi Jaati(Avian Lifeforms) and Vriksha Jaati(Vegetation Lifeforms).This the way LIFEFORMS are Structured by Evolution and Nature on Planet Earth. Caste imposed on Vocational Division of Social Order to make group conflicts. THE EVIL ACCOMPLISHED THIS USING BRIBES, COERCION AND SLAVERY. The Aryan invasion came ONLY with arrival of European peoples. This is my opinion and my words are based on new scientific revelations made public in discourses in the West.
Do you want us to believe that uneducated, unlettered people called Valmiki, Vyasa , Kali dasa etc. wrote huge works in chaste sanskrit ?
Do you think people are fools to believe all this ?
Continents, geography, climate etc had undergone so many changes over the ages. Aryas may have been settled on a larger land area in jambudweep - so when we think of “Aryan” migration or invasion does it consider Bharat as the same as India? Maybe Aryas did not move in and out of India or Bharat - they were probably just settled over a large geographical area whose expanse and boundaries were very different from what exists now. Also there is evidence of the word Arya in Sanskrit texts but who coined the term Aryan ?
Max Muller coined the term Aryan. He was commissioned to rewrite native Indian history and supported by European Missionaries to establish European racial superiority! Arya simply means noble, of high character. It is neither racial, nor ethnic, nor casteist. It's equivalent to a gentleman by today's standards!
@@yadavkomalno one coined that word, the word "Arya" that was used in Bharatiya culture to represent a respected cultured person, this was distorted to mean a alian who jumped from somewhere into the India and made as a famous bogus Aryan invasion propaganda
Why is it called Pre History? History is History
'History' for us ofcourse. 'Prehistory' for the British scholarship who at first wrote it off as oblivious/mythology and then brainwashed us in the name of their 'education system'
Mr Raj doesn't address the bigger problem. The title of this podcast is The Narration Of Indian 'Prehistory'. Why there is such a term prehistory. When does the history start? Who decided when it starts? Who writes the history? Who are they? Why people should take their STORY? Why they have the power to impose their version on people? Why people should believe them? Why people should take something as truth?
Some many questions but one answer. Evidence.
Please do give , citation where you have you published... otherwise all talk with motive...
You have to follow him and none of his talks are without citations and references, you may have not received the PPT and that doesn't mean it is not there. And if you have anything to counter better show that instead of creating doubts about Shri Prof. Raj Vedam.
@@AnandRajappan Do you want me to believe that Valmiki wrote ramayana , or Vyasa wrote mahabharatha or Kalidasa wrote many maha kavyas ?
Did any of them had education under any guru ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg yes you need not believe the oral evidence and you need not believe your neighbour or your father or mother or your forefathers for sure.
@@AnandRajappan Please ask present TN governor who says that Caldwels books are bogus because he was a school drop out .
@@AnandRajappan Any body can tell anything . Can be believe everything ?
Race isn't a social construct. Chinese differ from Indians. Why? Because it's a different race. Aliens differ from humans too. Is it a social construct? Quote - Race is not scientific construct...what is science Mr. Raj? Blue blood is a social construct?
Identity what you are trying to impose is a social construct, while race is genetics and it can be objectively determined.
He is right Aryan, Dravidian, Brahmin, dalit are all political social constructs for vote banks and Missionarie conversion politics. They all have same Genes therefore these so called races are social constructs. Chinese are different in genes so they are race not social constructs. Pls educate yourself with basics first
@@Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408 He denies races. He said race doesn't exist. He said race is a social construct, which is a lie. As for Indian people, they are not the same race. They differ racially too. And I am educated.
@@IRM-cm2ic You are confused. He is saying within Indian subcontinent or Indian race there are no Brahmin, Kshatriya or other races All have same dna. Internationally yes he won't deny there are other races.
Experts are contradicting each other freely . So i believe in my hunch that Aryans did come to India from outside The Aryans were Fair Tall and Well Built Such a race could not have originated in India And of course the theory of reverse immigration is nonsense
My hunch is Aryans did come to India from outside The Aryans were Tall Fair and Well built Such a race could not have originated in the Hot Indian climate
Rely on R1a1a and R2 origin not on texture of skin.
R1a1a originated India.
All white people got their colour through disease during ice age.
Whats the basis of your hunch? Genetic studies prove otherwise. In fact, Slave and Celts trace their gene flow from Indian Peninsula including their languages that are heavily infused with Sanskrit phonics. There's nothing like 'Aryans' - it's a made up coin. Aryan Invasion Theory is a racial Theory. It's banned in Europe because that's where Hitler derived his distorted visions of a clean perfect race and the Jewish massacre. There's definitely a back and forth flow of mainland Indians towards central Asia and Mediterranean regions over the last 5000 years. Those were nomads or Shephards. Some stayed around the regions, settled there or moved upwards towards the Slavic region. Others came back to India. Present day Europe was largely uninhabitable even until a 100 years ago. There's no way they brought that vast culture and language with them! The back and forth flow and intermixing populations - Yes that's very much the case as evidenced by genetics. The Indian culture, Vedas and the Sanskrit language however were indigenous to Indian Peninsula.
And sorry to say, you're very wrong about skin tone of certain Indians as a mark of their genetic distinction from the rest of the Indians. Skin tone is an allelic and often even epigenetic factor ruled by the environment. The colds of North India can very well give rise to such variations in skin tone as also witnessed. That doesn't mean racial variability by itself or Caucasian ancestry. Genetics, in fact price high degree of genetic outflow from India towards the Caucasian region instead the other way round (R1, R2 haplogroup studies).
How would you justify your supposed 'Aryans' formulating the Vedas (in their so called Vedik period as ascertained by the English education) in the land of India, mentioning River Saraswati which had pretty much all dried up at least 2000 years before their supposed date of formulation of Vedas. That only indicates that those texts predated their said date of formulation by at least 2000 years and were likely of Native Indian origin!
This argument that Aryans were some outsiders who came into India doesn't hold water here because Aryan Invasion or even Migration is a fabricated theory as per genetic, archeological and linguistic mapping.
Besides, Caucasian white is not the same as Asian or Indian white skin tone
Idiots come from all walks of life. On one hand, he's showing scientific evidences, and you say, you believe your uneducated hunch?😂
@@addalavenkataratnam5449 yes, as per one study I read both R1 and R2 seem to have an origin within the Indian peninsula as evidenced by their respective variability in the region of modern India!
Your hunch is already debunked and that's what this presentation is all about.
one can't pass any educational degree without concurring without Irfan Habib and Romila Thapars narrative who's going to change that