I have been wanting this review for so long, I love the april taste profile of clarity and bright acidity and wanted to see how to achieve it on the orea
I’ve been using an Orea dripper since many months with Kalita wave filters and I’ve never had a stalled brew, even with finer grinds like 17-18 on my Comandante. TBT for dense beans is no longer than Kono or V60 and I think it’s an amazing device, especially when used with the Melodrip. It is very consistent, polyvalent and produces fantastic cups. No offence but I feel your review is a bit biased! ;)
You'd expect the review to be biased but my orea arrived this week and experienced exactly as he described. I'll be selling mine, I don't need another unused coffee brewer in my cupboard and this brings nothing new to the table imo.
I heard that they can do very high water ratio easily. I'd assume they designed it to get higher extraction easier. Its probably not your kind of brewer and I can be wrong about that.
It's a pity he did not send you the Negotiator starter pack which is a round flat filter paper and a 3d printed applicator that the avoids the Kalita filter issues and produces a much better extraction, maybe reach out to Orea and ask if you can have one of the kits to review.
Do you plan to test the negotiator filter orea is also selling? Seems like that will resolve a lot of the gripes with the kalita filter, which I agree with. I use the stagg X a lot with Fellows papers and get amazing coffees, but generally have always struggled with kalita 185 filters.
I think you can 3d-print the negotiator using the free file on the Oera brewer site. The paper is a small little problem though. I would love to try it too.
I don’t see how it’s revolutionary, it’s basically a Kalita 155 where they removed more of the bottom and used plastic instead. It follows the same fundamental design meaning a narrow design with high water level and deeper coffee bed that means as he say faster initial part that slows considerably at the end. I also found a very similar strategy an initial 2x 50g followed by either 1 or 2 100g pours.
you think people see it as revolutionary? I've not seen that reflected in the industry at all. moreso, I see an excitement over a flat bottom brewer that requires no modification (thinking of stagg x, kalita, etc, that need the holes drilled bigger lol).
@@LanceHedrick I just see there is so much hype they are trying to create around this dripper which is kind of unacceptable for me because If there are problems with drippers ( I agree some of them are kind of problematic ), this should have been solved a lot sooner. But coming up with a dripper that claims to overcome these problems and expecting people to pay this value is not reasonable for me. There is also more to it which Patrik personally mentioned in this video.
Lance Hendrick just did a review of the brewer using the negotiator tool. Could be an option for you guys to try out. Nice to see good competition in this space now
@@cha1ny104 you've had stalled brews with v3? Interesting! I've not yet experienced any, and I go fine. I have done down around 13-15 clicks on a C40 for example
@@LanceHedrick Oh awesome, I should have just asked what grind setting you used on your video but didn't realise you'd actually respond! I shall try your recipe tomorrow but I used 16 clicks and had stalling with a 12g dose. Thank you
Whats the idea with a center pour? Seems as though with this type of filter paper and a center pour, you're forcing the grinds into the crevices. Maybe circle pours would be better?
@@syazwanahmad9679 with such a small bed of coffee (12g) pouring in the same spot causes the flow o go straight through the coffee and bounce off the bottom of the filter paper. Try getting a glass of water and put sand or rice (or something that sinks to the bottom) and add add water so that the high is about the same as you water in your brewer. Now pour in one spot for 5-10 seconds, the stream will get straight to the bottom causing lots of agitation. Then try circle pours, the stream doesn't make it's way as deep.
I'm quite flabbergasted at the notion that a narrower brewer creates fast flow and the beginning and slow near the end. That has been the complete opposite experience with me and this brewer. In fact, the fast and then slow flow you are attributing to this design is literally what happens to me using the April brewer which isn't a narrow brewer at all.
We get the same result in different pouring structures. All of our april brewer pours ends with the same pouring structure without having coffee stuck.
@@dylanbeschoner the main reason is the angle of the wall. It's a big difference between the angles on the Orea and the april brewer - our brewer is designed to spread out the filter. Where the Orea and for example fellow does the opposite.
Thank you for the recipe. Are you aiming for a tbt of 4 minutes then looking at your description? Have used this recipe with 22 clicks on the comandante (660 microns) and tbt is 2:20. Edit, I see tbt was 3:20. My comandante must be nothing like your ditting, I think I'd have to go much finer for a tbt that matches yours.
Interesting for me the april brewer behaves alot like the orea. Grounds stuck on the wall, slower draw down in the end. i have to say Im not using the 2x100 recipe since the brew times with pretty much every light roast coffee is below 2 minutes.
I think this is the result of several things. I would try ordering one bag of April coffee and mix third wave water to the same specifications as April. If you're using someone else's beans as I usually do, you may need to grind finer and pour a little more slowly
V60's are produced in the 100.000+ of thousands. Production cost is always related to the amount you can produce. It's very difficult to compare Hario's production volumes with small start-ups like us or Orea.
This three pour structure, or something similar works really well with the glass April as well. Having not yet used your coffee, I trust that the two pour structure is best for that. But, for the coffees I have available near me, splitting the first 100 g into two pours has been really helpful for me
I have been wanting this review for so long, I love the april taste profile of clarity and bright acidity and wanted to see how to achieve it on the orea
I’ve been using an Orea dripper since many months with Kalita wave filters and I’ve never had a stalled brew, even with finer grinds like 17-18 on my Comandante. TBT for dense beans is no longer than Kono or V60 and I think it’s an amazing device, especially when used with the Melodrip. It is very consistent, polyvalent and produces fantastic cups. No offence but I feel your review is a bit biased! ;)
You'd expect the review to be biased but my orea arrived this week and experienced exactly as he described. I'll be selling mine, I don't need another unused coffee brewer in my cupboard and this brings nothing new to the table imo.
@@cha1ny104 I’m surprised but why not, so many variables can influence and give different results! Wishing you good luck with this!
My orea can stall, I found it is caused by its base sealing the cup, by moving the dripper to one side leaving some gap, the stall is eliminated.
I heard that they can do very high water ratio easily. I'd assume they designed it to get higher extraction easier. Its probably not your kind of brewer and I can be wrong about that.
It's a pity he did not send you the Negotiator starter pack which is a round flat filter paper and a 3d printed applicator that the avoids the Kalita filter issues and produces a much better extraction, maybe reach out to Orea and ask if you can have one of the kits to review.
what do you guys think about waiting 2 minutes after doing a bloom?
We have tried different versions of that but never found it make a cup of coffee taste better. But we are still experimenting with it.
Do you plan to test the negotiator filter orea is also selling? Seems like that will resolve a lot of the gripes with the kalita filter, which I agree with. I use the stagg X a lot with Fellows papers and get amazing coffees, but generally have always struggled with kalita 185 filters.
I think you can 3d-print the negotiator using the free file on the Oera brewer site. The paper is a small little problem though. I would love to try it too.
It is just so weird how the whole industry has considered this dripper as If something revolutionary it brought..
^2 Hard agree
I don’t see how it’s revolutionary, it’s basically a Kalita 155 where they removed more of the bottom and used plastic instead. It follows the same fundamental design meaning a narrow design with high water level and deeper coffee bed that means as he say faster initial part that slows considerably at the end. I also found a very similar strategy an initial 2x 50g followed by either 1 or 2 100g pours.
Having just received mine, totally agree. £30 and stalls harder than my £5 v60
you think people see it as revolutionary? I've not seen that reflected in the industry at all. moreso, I see an excitement over a flat bottom brewer that requires no modification (thinking of stagg x, kalita, etc, that need the holes drilled bigger lol).
@@LanceHedrick I just see there is so much hype they are trying to create around this dripper which is kind of unacceptable for me because If there are problems with drippers ( I agree some of them are kind of problematic ), this should have been solved a lot sooner. But coming up with a dripper that claims to overcome these problems and expecting people to pay this value is not reasonable for me. There is also more to it which Patrik personally mentioned in this video.
Where would this grind size be on a 1zpresso K series
Hey awesome! You´ve got a V3 as well... I´ve been waiting for mine to arrive since Pre-order day 1 in late february. Can´t wait!
I just noticed your “amor fati” ring! Very cool. It’s a great reminder.
Lance Hendrick just did a review of the brewer using the negotiator tool. Could be an option for you guys to try out. Nice to see good competition in this space now
It’s a bit of a faff, hopefully they do what April has done and launch a filter that has the shape after using the tool.
I'd love to know what grind setting Lance used, just have been really coarse for a 2 min drawdown as I've had stalled brews with the orea.
@@cha1ny104 you've had stalled brews with v3? Interesting! I've not yet experienced any, and I go fine. I have done down around 13-15 clicks on a C40 for example
@@LanceHedrick Oh awesome, I should have just asked what grind setting you used on your video but didn't realise you'd actually respond! I shall try your recipe tomorrow but I used 16 clicks and had stalling with a 12g dose. Thank you
@@LanceHedrick Mine stall with the negotiator filters but not with kalita filters. the new Sibarist are a little better though 🤔
Whats the idea with a center pour? Seems as though with this type of filter paper and a center pour, you're forcing the grinds into the crevices. Maybe circle pours would be better?
Notice that the center pour is slow with no agitation. Building up the water volume above the bed
@@syazwanahmad9679 with such a small bed of coffee (12g) pouring in the same spot causes the flow o go straight through the coffee and bounce off the bottom of the filter paper. Try getting a glass of water and put sand or rice (or something that sinks to the bottom) and add add water so that the high is about the same as you water in your brewer. Now pour in one spot for 5-10 seconds, the stream will get straight to the bottom causing lots of agitation. Then try circle pours, the stream doesn't make it's way as deep.
I'm quite flabbergasted at the notion that a narrower brewer creates fast flow and the beginning and slow near the end. That has been the complete opposite experience with me and this brewer. In fact, the fast and then slow flow you are attributing to this design is literally what happens to me using the April brewer which isn't a narrow brewer at all.
Isn't the full on center pour at the end a big reason why there is coffee stuck in the filter?
We get the same result in different pouring structures. All of our april brewer pours ends with the same pouring structure without having coffee stuck.
@@coffeewithapril interesting. Is it because your filters somehow have broader openings than the kalita?
@@dylanbeschoner the main reason is the angle of the wall. It's a big difference between the angles on the Orea and the april brewer - our brewer is designed to spread out the filter. Where the Orea and for example fellow does the opposite.
@@coffeewithapril that makes a lot of sense. Thanks
I have a question. If you do nit like the kalita paper filters for this brewer. What would your go to papers be?
I think April would recommend April filters for flat bottom devices
Thank you for the recipe. Are you aiming for a tbt of 4 minutes then looking at your description? Have used this recipe with 22 clicks on the comandante (660 microns) and tbt is 2:20. Edit, I see tbt was 3:20. My comandante must be nothing like your ditting, I think I'd have to go much finer for a tbt that matches yours.
Interesting for me the april brewer behaves alot like the orea. Grounds stuck on the wall, slower draw down in the end. i have to say Im not using the 2x100 recipe since the brew times with pretty much every light roast coffee is below 2 minutes.
Under two minutes can be perfectly fine.
Are you using kalita paper filter?
I think this is the result of several things. I would try ordering one bag of April coffee and mix third wave water to the same specifications as April.
If you're using someone else's beans as I usually do, you may need to grind finer and pour a little more slowly
I think April's beans are quite heavy which increases drawdown time
@@greysuit17 exactly, since all the coffees are different, TBT it's just an approximation/reference
678 microns? Isn't this a little bit too fine?
I can get 6 v60s for the same price. Both plastic. Seems expensive to me!
V60's are produced in the 100.000+ of thousands. Production cost is always related to the amount you can produce. It's very difficult to compare Hario's production volumes with small start-ups like us or Orea.
@@coffeewithapril that’s a good point. It’s hard to be competitive in markets with big companies.
This three pour structure, or something similar works really well with the glass April as well.
Having not yet used your coffee, I trust that the two pour structure is best for that. But, for the coffees I have available near me, splitting the first 100 g into two pours has been really helpful for me
There doesnt seem to be anything particularly revolutionary with this brewer.
What happened with quality of video? You face is so smooth. Pls fix it. Of course thx for content!