The Flying Wyvern - The Monsters of Monster Hunter | Ecology Documentary
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*TIMESTAMPS*:
00:00 - Intro
01:17 - Flying Wyverns
02:40 - The Basics of Phylogeny
03:45 - Sauriscia
04:23 - Nonalisopoda
05:58 - Dracopoda
07:41 - True Foot Wyvern
08:23 - False Foot Wyvern
10:20 - Shell Wyvern
11:35 - Carapace Wyvern
15:45 - Strange Wyvern
17:20 - Electric Wing Wyvern
18:33 - Unordered Superfamilies
22:53 - Outro
SOURCES
Hunter's Encyclopedia G, III, IV
Monster Hunter World: Complete Works
Monster Hunter Illustrations
Monster Hunter Rise Official Design Works
Phylogenetic Tree based on BannedLagi's translations found here:
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(breakdown of what is canon/what is not further down in this comment)
*TIMESTAMPS*
00:00 - Intro
01:17 - Flying Wyverns
02:40 - The Basics of Phylogeny
03:45 - Sauriscia
04:23 - Nonalisopoda
05:58 - Dracopoda
07:41 - True Foot Wyvern
08:23 - False Foot Wyvern
10:20 - Shell Wyvern
11:35 - Carapace Wyvern
15:45 - Strange Wyvern
17:20 - Electric Wing Wyvern
18:33 - Unordered Superfamilies
22:53 - Outro
UPDATE:
The Sunbreak Lore Book just released, and it reveals that Espinas is in fact NOT closely related to the Carapace Wyvern. Instead, it has its own standalone Superfamily within Dracopoda.
*What is inarguably canon?*
- The phylogenetic tree itself (except Espinas). Capcom releases one with every artbook, and the one in this video is based on the phylogeny presented in the Rise Artbook, as well as its translation by BannedLagiacrus (see sources below).
- The Wyvern Rex.
- Biology facts about the Monsters (e.g. Astalos' Wings)
*What is an educated guess/moderate changes?*
- Some of the Infraorder/Superfamily names are altered. Nonalisopoda, True Foot Wyvern and False Foot Wyvern are simply called "Unknown", Dracopoda is called "Wyvern Feet".
- The Placement of Espinas. We know from Frontier that it is closely related to Gravios and Diablos, but since the Sunbreak Artbook isn't out yet, we don't know for sure.
- The Characteristics of the Infraorders. Most of them are easily observable, but it's important to note that they are not explicitly stated in any text as of yet.
*What is entirely made up?*
- The taxonomic names for individual species (e.g nargacuga tenebris). They do not exist officially, I just thought they'd be cool and non-intrusive.
*SOURCES*
Hunter's Encyclopedia G, III, IV
Monster Hunter World: Complete Works
Monster Hunter Illustrations
Monster Hunter Rise Official Design Works
Phylogenetic Tree based on BannedLagi's translations found here:
twitter.com/BannedDino/status/1483853487310053377
I thought Barioth and Nargacuga were related to Seregios, not Tigrex?
You're still doing these? I bumped into your World videos and drank them up like water. I thought you were done but praise almighty Zinogre you're still in it! I absolutely love the zoological approach and the coherent scientific nomenclature you create to fill in the gaps. I feel World enriched the MH franchise this way and you further enrich it with content like this.
A gem among mh lore videos. Much appreciate the hard work!
2:13
THANK YOU!
I recently was having an argument with someone who didn't think Akantor was a flying wyvern, simply because, "they're called flying wyverns for a reason".
When I pointed out the members that couldn't fly, they then changed it to "they have to have wings", and completely ignored the vestigle remnants on Akantor's arms
I cannot thank you enough for never using the term "Pseudowyvern" during this entire video. People are so adament in using it, they have forgotten that it is just a fan invented term. Thanks for this video!
While my Phylogenetic tree would look a bit different, as example (that fits in your tree), Espinas would be a shell wyvern that convergently evolved a hard shell, as there are a lot of similarities between it and the raths (like wing and plate structures).
And on a more personal tree, i would also include other species/ classes of monster in the tree, as in my personal headcannon the classification of the guild are more for the hunters to understand, and might be outdated in game and would be outdated with our modern perspective.
This is not to be seen as a negative tho, rather to further discussion, because the video was absolutely fantastic. Keep up the good work on the documentary like MH videos.
Espinas's classification is from Frontier, as it was classified there as being part of the same infraorder as the other Armour Wyverns.
As far as personal classifications go, I'd almost want to put Espinas, Seregios, and Bazelgeuse under their own Infraorder: "Scale Wyverns"... Or Wyverns whose defining trait would be the modification and use of their base scales.
This was great, would love to see more phylogenetic trees in the future.
IHaveNoIdeaWhatToDoWithThisInformation/10
Will I use any of this information? Probably not.
Do I want more? Absolutely
When life gives you phylogenetic trees, you make phylogenetic lemonade
It’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
2 new ones already released, were o a good track
I friggin love how diverse and expansive this class of monsters are, its often the case with fantasy monster types that there's an even distribution of types or families, but with how natural world driven this game series is it feels right that Flying Wyverns are commonly dominant like dinosaurs were in our past or mammals now.
Wait actually, they are basically as diverse as birds, just also on the scale of dominant apex predators and mega herbivores no islands required.
I never get tired of seeing them either cause they have so many different sub classes.
My playthrough of MH Stories 2 for the most part was dominated by Flying wyverns.
Diablos was my most reoccurring choice alongside Tigrex.
Your ecology videos give me a whole new appreciation for Monster Hunter
This was fantastic, it's easy to forget just how many iconic monsters belong in each tree. I hope the other major trees are in the works!
Other Flying Wyverns: Why can’t you be normal?
Akantor and Ukanlos: (SCREAMS IN NO WINGS)
Hi, as a fan of MH and a naturalist/marine biologist I love these contents.
One suggestion for the next videos, if you plan to do more: the binomial scientific name is written with the first letter of the genus name in uppercase, for example, Astalos viridis, Rath regalis. Is a detail that may add more "realism" to the video.
There are some issues with this phylogenetic tree. And that is that it doesn't seem to take in account for the wing structure itself which is far more telling than whether or not the monsters' is using its forelimb to walk or not.
And so the monsters in the flying wyvern tree should first be divided by how many digits are used in the wing membrane and how many digits are free from the wing membrane.
For example, Diablos, Akantor, Ukanlos, Nargacuga, Tigrex, Barioth, and Gigginox all have 3 digits not used to make the wing.
Yeah I think while these trees are a fun little treat for the artbooks, they don't hold up to genuine, professional scrutiny. But I also didn't want to change *too* much from what we are given officially :D
gosh, I've been wanting to see a possible MH evolutionary tree for a long time
thank you for delivering with the flying wyvern category. I'm looking forward to more if you do more.
Did not expect a entire video about the classifications, gotta respect it. Imma listen to this while playing Rise xD
I found this channel a little while ago and I have to say that the amount of detail and effort that goes into these videos is unprecedented. I am genuinely in awe every time I watch one of your video. keep up the good work dude, here's to your inevitable popularity 🍺
Would love to see more Phylogeny of the other monster groups
Ooh going for a more taxonomy-focused series as well, interesting (and should let you cover Monsters that aren't prominently featured as much)
Makes me hyped for the fanged wyverns they clearly have a distinct difference over continents
Appreciate all the hard works that went into these lore/ecology videos. They're a great source of inspiration for me. Totally would enjoy a 2 hour long podcast of you just talking MH lore.
I heard that the mysterious Unknown Black Flying Wyvern from the Mezeporta region was recently named by the guild. Supposedly it is called “Ra Ro”. Maybe someday you can do a documentary on animals from that region!
It wasn't "recently named", it's a name that was used very scarcely back during Frontier's lifecycle , but it got largely overshadowed by just the word UNKNOWN, probably cause "Ra Ro" is a really stupid name. You can see more about this in the General Notes on Unknown's wiki page.
Ra ro raggy
The amount of care and dedication is astounding amazing video.
I love this kind of video, its just so interesting to watch. please do one of these on brute wyverns!
Well done! This was a fun and insightful video covering the various types of flying wyverns. Can't wait to see your work covering the other classifications of "monster" types.
I was ready for Lava Caverns material but got something even better and not know how much i need it, Great job as always man. If may i ask, what group of monsters gonna be next?
I am done compiling the Sauriscia tree, which, Flying Wyverns aside, includes Fanged Wyvern, Brute Wyvern and Bird Wyvern. So one of those!
@@Oceaniz ty good sir
Hope you do a video similar to this on brute wyverns
These videos remind me why I love this franchise, they give a reason for why these monsters are the way they are
I loooove how like tierzoo makes videos that make life seem like we are playing a game you make monster hunter documentaries like we are living in the world
This is awesome you should do leviathans next
My goodness, this is incredible! I love it! Keep up the good work.
Something I find interesting is that bazelgeuse is the only monster with more then 6 digits per limbs, going easily over 20. This just seems to be too much a change in morphology to be believable for me and I honestly think they will have to retcon this at some point and give it just 6 fingers on its wings. This would also be in my opinion necessary if they ever make a bazelgeuse seregios hybrid.
Those are probably not true digits, but extending membranes, with the actual original digits degenerating into only the single wing-claw and the extended digit holding the wing membranes.
Thanks a lot for getting this out so soon:) was really looking forward to it
I hope you'll do a Bird Wyverns in the future, they are my favorite group especially the Raptors!
This was a heck of an undertaking, and a treat to watch! Thanks for putting the work in.
Between you and Unnatural History Museum, the amount of incredible scientific videos of the monster hunter series is simply awesome! Fantastic work, and an excellent video idea. Hope to see more soon!
I know I’ve taken a long time to say this, but are you ever going to consider doing a video on the Leviathan or perhaps the herbivore maybe I mean I just love watching and listening to your videos a lot and I mean a lot
As a Monster Hunter fan i love your videos , thanks for the upload
Really nice work here man! The timestamps helped well too
Great video! I really like the idea of seeing the whole family explained like this
I hope you do all the beast ones together. Then again it might be easier to do all fanged members instead.
The amount of work you put here is... Simply amazing.
Great video, that every single MH fan interested in Ecology should watch 100%
Awesome work! Really good addition to the lore
Love this format of video! You did a great job ^_^
This was excellent, really hope we get to see more of these
Bro you are doing better at showing off Monster Hunters monsters than the whole series and explaining things the lore should
For Espinas, I always had the theory that their multiple element fire balls were a result of using the same chambered sac the Gravios/Basarios use- just with their mouth. They probably diverged around the time their special sacs developed
Will you be doing this for the other types of wyverns? Fascinating stuff. Love your work.
I like how you made scientific names for all the wyverns in the video. It makes it more like a proper documentary.
My personal opinion is that bazelguese is a separate superfamily, as it it has similar wing structure to the true flying wyverns, but it's specializes scales don't fit any already existing clade. Meanwhile, I believe the the sharp, triangular bladescales of seregios are reminiscent of thorn wyverns, adapted for offense instead of defense, so it is either a subset of thorn wyverns, or a member of the bazelguese superfamily, which I will call detaching scale wyverns.
I hope you keep making these
I think you left out some species of flying wyverns such as the new mhrise flying wyverns but its understandsble since they came up not long ago, excellent job I love your videos
Thank you for making this content! helps keep entertained during the troubling times of the world
Loved this, great work!
Hope oceaniz does more of these monster class explanations. Elder dragons or brute wyverns maybe?
Amazing work!
Wow, I thinks this is the best video you did
This was neat to watch. I wonder how you would do this to the Bird Wyverns or other creatures like Glavenus or Gammoth.
I thought there were more flying wyverns, but it looks like you got them all!
Beautiful as always :)
Keep up the incredible and amazing work.
I’ll never understand how Ukanlos and Akantor are flying wyverns lmao. Always thought they should be elder dragons and if not they definitely should be a different type of species.
Nitpick but it's SauriscHia with an H.
Excellent amazing video as always
If the time of Bird Wyvern came, Pukei-Pukei has to be pointed out its wing structure.
Do you know what something I just realize? You only use monsters from the main line games in these documentaries, kind of makes me wonder if in the future you will include monsters from the games, unique to the east and spinoffs. It would be cool to see a true family tree that way.
i wonder what the guild thought of classifying flying wyvern cause it would have been confusing to find out that not all flying wyvern fly that must have been confusing
Great as always.
Hey, in the future, could you do a similar video to this but make the family tree about real-world biology. For example, the nargacuga and barrioth are clearly relatives of cats. And the paolumu is obviously a bat.
Thank you for your hard work, we appreciate it.
Beautiful video ☺️😊🤩
Don't forget the piscine wyvern, they are a unique one too
If you doing more of there please try to do the elder dragons as more o a list for the last one and next please try fanged wyvers
Nicely done. Ive found other channels covering this topic tend to be too rigid and conventional in their rationale. Monsters evolved entirely separate from earth life. They arent simply ‘dinosaurs’ or ‘mammals’ they are entirely alien clades their similarities are analogous not homologous to earth organisms.
Looking at this i have found that some other monsters could Fit in these trees like the nergigante could be a shell Wyvern or another family completely, called something like regenerative armor Wyvern, given that they damage and lose their scales but can also regrow and harden them enough to count as a secondary skin, at least that Is my idea
Amazing!
My theory is that the espinas could be a closer relative to the rath family since their usage of poison are similar
PLS DO BIRD WYVERNS NEXT
I feel like Legiana and Astalos are more related than this tree implies, they also have an expanding head wing that contracts for seemingly no reason other than temperature regulation, and has an insectoid body similar both in shape and texture to Astalos. While I'm sure you did this because Legiana was only recently discovered, it just fits too well. It's also weird for the entire family to be designated by a single organ (astalos' kinesiosac) when there are many features that are too similar to ignore. I say we call this order the Insect Flying Wyvern super family, characterized by their insectoid features in addition to their elemental sacs that are effected by their physical activity (As Legiana's frost sac is what let's it secrete ice through the rest of the body and mainly the chest.)
I suggest Bird Wyverns or Fanged Beasts next.
isnt the last bit about convergent evolution a bit wrong? I mean both of these Wyverns are obviously related as they are both Dracopoda? Wouldnt Convergent Evolution usually refer to way more distant animals getting similiar traits (Like Birds and Bats getting wings to fly)
What’s your opinion on the Pukei-Pukei and Yian Garuga actually being Flying Wyverns and not Bird Wyverns?
I'm curious to see what you've concocted
I loved this
I would have figured Seregios would have been under armor or thorn wyvern. It's interesting that they're classified so far away from the Espinas.
It makes a lot of sense, as they're not really that large and bulky. As far as Flying Wyvern goes, it seems they're actually one of the smaller species on average.
what about fanged wyverns? isnt there a posibility that they might be related to the nonalisopoda?
Great video and I love the blend of natural history and fiction. My only question is regarding sauriscia. Did you intentionally change that? Because the real word is Saurischia with an 'h' and because it's a Greek root word it's pronounced saur-iss-key-ah not saur-iss-she-ah like you did. These are incredibly minor nitpick but just wondering if they were accidental or intential changes to the real life analogous word.
no thats just me misspelling early into editing and only noticing past the point where I could easily change it lol...
I personally would have put legiana and astalos, seregios and bazel in shell wyverns
I'm into paleontology and couldn't figure out what Sauriscia was cuz I'd never heard it said that way and Assumed I was reading it wrong
I'm still confused to why paolumu is a flying wyvern and pukei-pukei is a bird wyvern. They are so similar to each other...
Dude your vids are so cool David Atenboro ain't got shit on this channel.
Are the leviathans the next tree explored
Why the hell are the forklift and shivel chins flying wyverns,zenoger and magnamalo have the exact same "wing" bones as them
Came here for Naruto the ocean cut, stayed here for monster hunter ecology
Where do you get all this info from???
check the pinned comment/description! The sources are in there :D
I wonder where Scalebat fit
Could the modern day wyverian be genetically related to the mondern day bishatan species.
Are wyverns related to dragons?
22:50 But they are related, they're part of the same order and have common ancestors.
I have to ask if you had a specific source for this or not. I ask because this is not at all how i would expect this to he made. I would have gone hased on bod h type for the base infraorder like how seregios and astalos have a near ieentical body structure. I feel this woupd be more accurate to the reality of how evolutionary lines work.
The general tree is outlined in the MHRise Artbook, theres a link to it, as well as its translations, in both the description and pinned comment (at the bottom of both) :D
@@Oceaniz oh thanks! And i just want to say i love your work on these. The redacted file especilly was buetifully made and really displayed how terriffying an elder dragon truely is.
Paolumu and Barioth all the way!
Wait what about Valstrax tho?
Not a flying wyvern - Valstrax is classified as an Elder Dragon
Please do generation monsters ecology Please
Wonderful video but an FYI you listed "subspecies" as species names. For example the western lowland gorilla, Gorilla gorilla gorilla. The 1st "gorilla" denotes genus, the 2nd species and the 3rd is the subspecies
I used gorilla because its scientific name is so incredibly stupid and it's funny