I agree she isn’t a great host, but I still love her from nostalgia I guess. And I blame all of production for that Shelly interview, obviously they are in love with Jeff and wanted to make anyone who is against them feel stupid
Julie has her quirks that works but has many flaws as well. Despite her obliviousness, she can roll with certain memes or criticisms she is aware, like owning that she will regarded as Chenbot
Not exactly, Helen kinda controlled the house with the house flipped in week 2. She wasn’t neither overrated nor a floater. What kinda caused her downfall was blindsiding Judd in the first double. Although the house was on board with, some people didn’t personally like that, causing more people, to lean over the McCranda power during that time and turning on Elissa and Helen once Jessie was out of the house
A lot of players who are good at the game can be either annoying people or just annoying to see on television. I didn't care for Helen, not entirely sure why, but I respect her as a game player so I understand the bashing. I mean Rachel's a good player too...
Don’t think she’s underrated, because i’ve seen a lot of people say how good she was, but I do think she’s great regardless of the ”going with the house” strategy
Hannah. You’ve got a wonderful road ahead of you. I’m British and my first season of Big Brother US was season 6 and Survivor season 18. Start with those hun!
Every time I am reminded of the Final 6 PB of BB13 followed by the "fishiest" veto competition placement I've ever seen I want to scream. BB11 was my first season and as a little kid that didn't know any better, Jeff was my favorite houseguest. I was absolutely crushed when Jeff was evicted in the BB13 double eviction and I HATED Shelli. Now that I'm older and more mature as well as seeing how rigged BB13 was, my entire outlook on that season flipped and I do not place any blame on Rachel/Jordan but I will never forgive production for ruining the integrity of the game for the sake of having one of their pets win
There's also been rumours that Shelley was told by Production about the threats fans were making towards her family, and that forced her to ultimately vote for Rachel in the F2 instead of Porsche in an attempt to calm them down.
@@SpanishFly120 Somehow I don't believe those rumors, because Shelly seemed like the most objective/impartial person on that jury, and I could see her genuinely respecting Rachel's ability to comp out and win whenever she was in danger
I specifically remember Karen's speech about how she worked her social game and I think she mentioned making quesadillas for drunk houseguests at 4am even though she didn't drink herself. I used to say to myself if I ever played a game of Big Brother 'be the kind of houseguest who makes quesadillas at 4AM' - but I totally forgot about her when I was thinking of underrated houseguests! A true example of underrated. Love your work.
After listening to your explanation of her game, I'm actually glad you included Karen from BB5. Although she was more of the demure personality on that season, she was actively playing the game and did a good job of not presenting herself to be a huge threat because she was more demure by nature in comparison to the likes of louder or more notable personalities like Jase, Scott, Diane, Marvin, Holly, etc. Plus, her monologue at 2:56, I remember being like "yes, yes, YESS, speak on it" - she was probably the first person from old school BB to articulate the importance of jury management - especially considering BB5 was the second season in BB history to have implemented the sequestered jury.
Imo, Jackson Michie would be on that list. He was the best player in his season, but people like to say he's a top 15 player which I disagree with. A lot of people think that people just don't like to give him credit because he's a douchebag. He is a douchebag, but I'll give him credit. He's a good player, but he's overrated.
@Kristian Yeager as a winner, he is very good. He has a very good winning game. However, there are a lot of players who haven't won the game (ex. Danielle Reyes, Tyler, Paul, etc.) that are better than him imo
I'll never forgive production for rigging Shelly's eviction. The timing that Pandora's box was all payback for betraying golden boy Jeff. Who thought it was a good idea to implement a twist after the veto was won but before the veto ceremony happened...someone who want to rig and eviction that's who. Grodner was so shameless that week.
What the fuck are you talking about? That twist was before the veto competition happen. So get your facts straight. Also maybe the other side of the house should of won the veto then. They didn't deserve to be there except Porsche and Kalia. Shelly and Adam couldn't win shit.
@@rawstmv No Jordan didn't win the fucking veto, it was Rachel. Again get your fucking facts straight. The Pandora's box twist happen BEFORE the veto competition not ceremony. I'll bet you 10 billion dollars. Do you want to bet?
They have their good parts and bad parts. 19 and 21 were def bad but still pretty entertaining at times. The only modern season I truly just didn't enjoy was 22. It would've been so different with Kaycee and Josh AND without Memphis.
Nicole Schaffrich is such an underrated player and i bring her up so often in bb discussions. She went from the very first target to second place by playing the house so well
Exactly this! I remember loving Vanessa so much from BB17 cause I thought finally a woman mastermind could win the game and was bummed when she didn't. At least we got a lot of women winning seasons (regular and specials) after that.
Future video topic suggestion - Best and/or worse twist or format changes in the Amazing Race - Most ingenious/ugliest lies or truth bombs in Big Brother or Survivor - Despite Julie guilt tripping of Shelley, instances where Houseguest or castaways (either Big Brother or survivor) made moves either too soon (like Maddy backdooring Loveita in BBCAN4 or Omarosa blindsiding James and leaving a trio intact during the double eviction in CBBUS1) or too late (like Cliff not voting out Holly at Final 5 in BBUS (likely would have been a finalist had he done that) - Cases to winning or even throwing a comp in Big Brother actually notably backfired on a Houseguest.
I just rewatched Season 5 and I too was surprised at how great a game Karen played. A little surprised Rachel from BB6 isn't on this list. She was by far the most competent member of the Sovereign Six and got none of the attention. Also for all the talk of strategic gameplay in New School, Old School seasons had far more strategy.
Old school is so much better and feels more real. The DRs were better and people cared enough to play the game. Nowadays you get 1 fan of the show and 10 social media people. Strategy dissolved into a big alliance that steamrolls the season and some people that don't have a clue what to do.
I'm so happy about your number 1 pick. When i went back and watched BB13 for the first time, i was like... "why doesnt anyone ever talk about Shelly? am i the crazy one?"
Thank you for bringing up Karen. I recently rewatched BB5 for the first time since it aired when I was literally like 9 years old and I was like damn, I already know what happens but Karen is pretty damn good and no one seems to remember or talk about her!
Lane was pretty underrated as he is the least talked about brigade member but his alliance/showmance with Britney was crucial for the success of the brigade especially in the end game. The fact he kept tight lipped about the alliance around Britney was impressive to.
I was hoping to see Kevin from BB11 I was rewatching it and at first he’s just being on everyone’s good side he’s nobody’s target and then Jessie got evicted, chima was expelled, and Natalie and Lydia are in the block, and he votes out Lydia his best friend because he realizes that Lydia isn’t gonna take her far in the game. Kevin starts showing up and is winning most competitions, and then in final 3 he lost, and thought either way he couldn’t win (which he might’ve been able to win no matter who he was up against)
I needed BB2 Nicole and Shelly to be on this list for it to be legit, and you knocked it out of the park. Great picks! I'm not as sure about Hardy, though.
Wow. I never realized how excellent of a game Karen played on Big Brother 5 until now. I'm mind blown. Here I am thinking Diane or Nakomis were the best players and it may very well be her.
Peridam I’ve been thinking latley and watching your vids sinse less then 1000 subs, and thought a good video idea could be what if every season of survivor had an “America’s favourite houseguest” ik there was the sprint player of the year and rupert winning the million in all stars, but for the other seasons. Just an idea thank you
I think its harder to do because of how Survivor editing effects the view of the player. Big Brother is alot of raw footage with live streams. Survivor you know the players how Production wants you to, the same with how you will only the see conversations, strategies, and moments that they want you to see. Still an interesting concept though.
@@ProfessorTrick yes ofc I agree because editing is a huge factor, but it would be fun seeing peridiam trying to avoiding the editing factor and seeing who he would think would be America’s favourite as if it was a live show
@@myus_0026 that's hard, because in survivor the editing is always a big factor. For example, in Nicaragua Kelly Purple could be a fan favorite if they edited all her struggless and would be seen as a "robbed goddess" by twitter or some people of the fandom that basically stan every woman
Love your channel. I recently watched seasons 2 through 5 for the first time and man those seasons are actually so good to watch compared to recent seasons. BB2 and BB4 are actually up there for me as one of best seasons. I completely agree with Karen and i think she should of actually been higher cause noone talks about her or knows her. I figured shed be an early eviction cause i didnt know who she was.
I agree with this. I liked Shelly’s play. I feel like she played such a great game but got so much shit. I never understood besides CBS loved Jeff. Jordan would always say they never won any comps but she only won one that season and Jeff throw it to her. I saw a whole entitled side to Jordan that season I just did not like.
Surprised Haleigh wasn’t on the list, she knew exactly that Tyler was running the game and tried so hard to destroy Level 6, but twists really screw her over. Without the Hacker twist and Fessy being stupid by evicting Scottie. She has a good chance of riding to the end.
What works against her was not having more guidance with Fessy during his HoH week. The hacker twist worked in Level’s 6 favor due to Rockstar bombing the Otev veto comp as badly as she did. otherwise, the twist likely would have work as intended I believe (crank up the antics between the two side without the Hacker abilities actually effectively getting used. Haleigh’s mismanagement of her hacker week that led to that house meeting turned fight is a good example of what I think the production was hoping would happen with twist and not working as intended) Haleigh has a lot of potential, especially with being more perceptive with what was going on with the other side of the house, but she could have handled and done things a lot better as well.
i agree with the person above i'm not putting the blame on haleigh for the scottie thing but she knew he was on their side and didn't do much to prevent him from going besides a few comments like 'idk i think he's on our side' fessy was in her back pocket jc could control fessy so his showmance directing him on the right path wouldn't be hard if she just fought for it more that's what annoyed me the most that week that not only fessy wanted him up but haleigh didn't do much to prevent it so while i wouldn't say she's to blame for the scottie thing, a better player would have talked their closest ally (who would literally listen to your every word) out of doing something that dumb and yeah, haleigh managed the hacker thin very poorly she was the best of the hive but that's not saying much lol
My most underrated player is definitely Nicole S from BB2. I definitely think that Shelly is very underrated as well, but I see more people talk about Shelly. Big BB fans still talk about how Shelly was robbed. I don’t really see anyone mention Nicole or Hardy anymore.
Hey presidium. I know it’s big brother season but I have an amazing video idea you can do! You chose a season of big brother or survivor. Than chose a vital point within that season. (For this example I will chose Yul’s vote out at WAW). You then go through and explain what you think would happen the rest of the season if, in this case Yul made it to the merge.
okay, so I just finished watching the first season of Australian survivor and like whaaaaaaat!! Can we please have a video on her and how she won. Like she had no numbers going into the merge and was nearly voted out like 3 times. I was blown away lol. And her FTC... prob one of the best ever.
What you’ve just proved Peridiam is that Big Brother 9 is the most underrated season. I’m currently re watching this and it’s bringing me so much joy. Just one question though. Why isn’t Michelle from BB11 mentioned in your top 10 most underrated players ever?! Is she top 20? I loved season 11 as she was the ultimate underdog! ❤️
Hey Peridiam, I am a 20 year old hoping to play big brother in my life. I find your videos so helpful and entertaining thank you for making them. Is there any advice you would have for what people should do it get on big brother or maybe make a video for bb hopefulls and how we should think trying out for the show. I know you probably won’t see this but thankful for your content thanks
Hey Peridiam, would you do a video about the top 10 Big Brother cast members that we lost pre-jury who deserve a second chance... I'd personally love to see people like Nick Uhas, Howard, Devin, Cassi, Amber, Clay, Jessica, Dominique, Winston, and Rachel play in a newer season!
I appreciate Sheila as a player but I can’t say she’s the best player in BB9. Adam was definitely the better player, even though he’s a winner I think he’s very underrated. His worst moments were first half of week 1 and final 6 nominations but other than that he did a great job at threat level management and had the best social game in the house.
Season 13 as a whole was very underrated. It’s my favorite to watch. Maybe because it’s my first season watching, so I’m a little bias. But the newbie vs veteran structure was amazing. The season would have been so much better had 1. There was no battle back 2. In the event of a battle back Kalia stuck to her guns and didn’t nominate Lawon and 3. That damn Pandora’s box😡
There’s two OTT people that I feel are underrated The winner Morgan Willet and Kryssie Morgan always had a good chance of winning that season americas vote or Jury vote. She was positioned in a way where if she made final 3 or final 2 she could easily win no matter what And Kryssie just played well imo and was a strategic force who played with her alliance well
I wish CBS didnt pretend that OTT never happened. I would love to see Morgan return, or honestly any of the OTT cast. It is genuinely my favorite cast ever. The only person I disliked was Jason, and even he had his entertaining moments. Such an underrated season that so many BB fans havent seen, mainly because whenever you type it in on Paramount+, it doesnt show up 😭 You literally have to Google it and then click the Paramount link through Google. I wonder why CBS hates it sm
I’m low key shocked Brett wasn’t mentioned on the list, the fact that he was able to survive evictions while being considered a threat was pretty impressive.
Brett is interesting in whether or not he is really underrated. Compared to the whole house, Brett is definitely not underrated. As a member of Level 6, that is where the argument comes in since things get overdo use on the trio of Tyler, Kaycee, and Angela. Also, Tyler selling out blindsiding Brett is considered a strong move to where I think the opposite and starts to shed light on why Tyler losing to Kaycee is valid (that was showing Tyler was more interested in doing what Kaycee and Angela wanted instead of conveying, notably to the jury what was better for his individual game.
I feel like that was due to Brett being in the majority alliance, not based on Brett's gameplay specifically Good on him for being able to form the majority alliance, but he didn't really do much to avoid eviction besides that
@@TheKYLEdavid One disagreement with that is with Brett’s eviction speeches. While he did benefit from being in the majority alliance, he used it as both to capitalize from being on the block (I.e. Rockstar), (and it is uncommon for a player to use being on the block as a strength) as well as giving his side every incentive to keep him around for as long as possible, like keeping him over Rachel by drawing attention to himself.
> doesn't put jason guy on the list bc he is actually rated highly by a large portion of the fan base >puts roddy as number 3 most underrated players ...k
Hey, Peridiam, did you ever think of trying out for BB? Would be pretty legendary to see you in the house. And you'd be an instant fan favourite, so production would cheat for you, lol.
With underrated players, I think an honorable mentioned goes to Kathryn from BBUS21. Despite shooting her mouth off on week 1 and targeting herself due to conspiring bitches, she started to play herself into a wildcard role, which can be interesting position but backfire if you caught like she does. However, one thing hampered her was her prior relationship with Holly, which actually benefited Jackson and even Holly. A lot of people focus so much on Tommy and Christie that they overlook the Holly and Kat arguably had made game weight and effect (Tommy and Christie, given common identifiers, likely would have still work together almost in the same way (main exception with is Jack, who they would have had tighter connections and Final 2 deals with him instead of each other until Jack’s eviction.) Had Holly and Kat been strangers, Kat would have likely turned on them, especially as Jackson dumped Kat for Holly in terms of hookup/showmance, so there would have a stronger chance of Kat either voting for Jack in Week 4 and strongly aligned more with Cliff’s Angels or with the fractured Six Shooters on the Jack and Christie side and voted out Jackson in Week 6, along with Tommy and Nick.
Another thing in favor of Nicole and hardy is that they were severely harmed by the structure of the show. If bb2 had a final four veto, like every other season besides it and bb3, I’m willing to bet money that one of Nicole or Hardy wins it and then they both make it to final 2. However, because there was no veto, they had to rely on Nicole winning that final 4 HOH, which was only a 1/3 shot.
corey brooks should definitely be on here. it’s just mindblowing how despite being the biggest guy in the house, he made it to the end game with ease by picking the right allies and keeping his cool which kept him safe when paul was targeting paulie. he also wins that season against anyone other than victor, including nicole and paul and he was so close to getting there
@@TheKyoshiFan He didnt do anything too fancy He played a decent game He got along with Most of the Jury He won Competitions He just did Decent He was going to win if he made it to the final 2
@@nicholashamilton6783 true, he would have won in final 2, but that was mostly because he was a single father. And that Alison and Jun were hated. Social game was decent for sure, but I felt strategically and competitively he didn’t bring much to the table 🤷🏻♀️ He did win that crucial final 4 HOH so that was cool.
@@TheKyoshiFan I can agree with most of what you said Strategically yeah I didnt see too much there but He did win 2 vetos and a hoh when it was needed but His main thing was Social Game which was fairly decent
I think McCrae is kind of an underrated player. I really don't hear him get brought up that much other than people talking about BB15 and mostly because people are talking about Amanda. Maybe I'm biased because he's a personal favorite Big Brother of mine but I do wish people talked about him more.
Dont @ me but I think natalie from bb9 is also underrated. I think she just messed up by giving the HoH to Sheila, and getting caught playing both sides.
Besides Karen, Im surprised by a lot of the choices on here. I haven't watched those earlier seasons in a while but you made a compelling argument for those ppl.
Nicole from BB2 is the best Nicole and i wish she’d play again. On any all stars season especially. But for your number one pick!! Me as a forever Jeff and Jordan fan! That one hurts
*Yall these Victoria troll edits have me rolling* 😂😂😂😂😂
she is my favorite anw
The part where you just showed Shelly just shows how dumb Julie can be as a host.
She’s probably the worst host in any TV show, I think....
She's such a bad host lmao
I agree she isn’t a great host, but I still love her from nostalgia I guess.
And I blame all of production for that Shelly interview, obviously they are in love with Jeff and wanted to make anyone who is against them feel stupid
Julie should have been replaced well over a decade ago as a host.
Julie has her quirks that works but has many flaws as well. Despite her obliviousness, she can roll with certain memes or criticisms she is aware, like owning that she will regarded as Chenbot
Helen Kim still underrated, ppl still bash her.
The issue with Helen is her whole "going with what the house wants" philosophy
Not exactly, Helen kinda controlled the house with the house flipped in week 2. She wasn’t neither overrated nor a floater.
What kinda caused her downfall was blindsiding Judd in the first double. Although the house was on board with, some people didn’t personally like that, causing more people, to lean over the McCranda power during that time and turning on Elissa and Helen once Jessie was out of the house
@@alexdoesntsurf she also had one of the best hoh reigns of all time
A lot of players who are good at the game can be either annoying people or just annoying to see on television. I didn't care for Helen, not entirely sure why, but I respect her as a game player so I understand the bashing. I mean Rachel's a good player too...
Don’t think she’s underrated, because i’ve seen a lot of people say how good she was, but I do think she’s great regardless of the ”going with the house” strategy
Karen is also really underrated in the Diary Room
*It wouldn’t matter anyways since the modern diary rooms are so scripted* 😭😭😭
@@rainischalk-late3540 except Da’vonne’s
I loved Karen and Will so much that season. BB5 is underrated. @Peridiam should do underrated seasons
YES!!!
I am British and have never seen an episode of American big brother or survivor and yet I have been binging your videos like mad, with no context.
Hannah. You’ve got a wonderful road ahead of you. I’m British and my first season of Big Brother US was season 6 and Survivor season 18. Start with those hun!
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Here’s Big Brother 7: All Stars! Imo the best season to be introduced to the show to
Start with season two. Still one of the absolute best.
@@euge2175 nobody's first season should be an All stars season
@@spdprawcereal7181agreed
Every time I am reminded of the Final 6 PB of BB13 followed by the "fishiest" veto competition placement I've ever seen I want to scream. BB11 was my first season and as a little kid that didn't know any better, Jeff was my favorite houseguest. I was absolutely crushed when Jeff was evicted in the BB13 double eviction and I HATED Shelli.
Now that I'm older and more mature as well as seeing how rigged BB13 was, my entire outlook on that season flipped and I do not place any blame on Rachel/Jordan but I will never forgive production for ruining the integrity of the game for the sake of having one of their pets win
There's also been rumours that Shelley was told by Production about the threats fans were making towards her family, and that forced her to ultimately vote for Rachel in the F2 instead of Porsche in an attempt to calm them down.
@@SpanishFly120 Somehow I don't believe those rumors, because Shelly seemed like the most objective/impartial person on that jury, and I could see her genuinely respecting Rachel's ability to comp out and win whenever she was in danger
So you're saying victoria is the greatest of all time
Nah man it’s raven, a GPA of dance
@@brendonkeen1974 don’t forget she went to Mensa
@@brendonkeen1974 the puppetmaster ☺️
@@brendonkeen1974 training for the olympics.
@@brendonkeen1974 It comes from the genes! After all her mom was struck by lightning!
I specifically remember Karen's speech about how she worked her social game and I think she mentioned making quesadillas for drunk houseguests at 4am even though she didn't drink herself. I used to say to myself if I ever played a game of Big Brother 'be the kind of houseguest who makes quesadillas at 4AM' - but I totally forgot about her when I was thinking of underrated houseguests! A true example of underrated. Love your work.
After listening to your explanation of her game, I'm actually glad you included Karen from BB5. Although she was more of the demure personality on that season, she was actively playing the game and did a good job of not presenting herself to be a huge threat because she was more demure by nature in comparison to the likes of louder or more notable personalities like Jase, Scott, Diane, Marvin, Holly, etc. Plus, her monologue at 2:56, I remember being like "yes, yes, YESS, speak on it" - she was probably the first person from old school BB to articulate the importance of jury management - especially considering BB5 was the second season in BB history to have implemented the sequestered jury.
Can we get a 10 most overrated player list as well?
Imo, Jackson Michie would be on that list. He was the best player in his season, but people like to say he's a top 15 player which I disagree with. A lot of people think that people just don't like to give him credit because he's a douchebag. He is a douchebag, but I'll give him credit. He's a good player, but he's overrated.
Ian Terry should be very high up on the overrated list. BB22 showed how good he is when he’s not being carried by Dan
@@SamSamSamLawl people also like to rate him high just because he’s a great person.
@@baileylynn5562 Michie is a great player regardless of how unlikable he was on S21.
@Kristian Yeager as a winner, he is very good. He has a very good winning game. However, there are a lot of players who haven't won the game (ex. Danielle Reyes, Tyler, Paul, etc.) that are better than him imo
The Johnny Mac “No” made me cackle
I'll never forgive production for rigging Shelly's eviction. The timing that Pandora's box was all payback for betraying golden boy Jeff. Who thought it was a good idea to implement a twist after the veto was won but before the veto ceremony happened...someone who want to rig and eviction that's who. Grodner was so shameless that week.
What the fuck are you talking about? That twist was before the veto competition happen. So get your facts straight. Also maybe the other side of the house should of won the veto then. They didn't deserve to be there except Porsche and Kalia. Shelly and Adam couldn't win shit.
@@irishking21 My facts are straight. I remember distinctly when this happened on the feeds.
@@rawstmv No Jordan didn't win the fucking veto, it was Rachel. Again get your fucking facts straight. The Pandora's box twist happen BEFORE the veto competition not ceremony. I'll bet you 10 billion dollars. Do you want to bet?
@@irishking21you’re right, it was before the veto comp. But you also still Stan the wrong people and you are acting like a child.
Sheila flipping the entire house in like 6 hours is one of my favorite moments
Last Time I was this early big brother was good
*Last good season was bb17, yall can fight me on that* 😂
@@rainischalk-late3540 I loved bb17, bb18 was fine, 19,21 terrible, 22 boring, 20 great
I like BB 20. It had great strategy, drama, and feeds. I'd say that BB20 is the best modern season (15 - 22)
They have their good parts and bad parts. 19 and 21 were def bad but still pretty entertaining at times. The only modern season I truly just didn't enjoy was 22. It would've been so different with Kaycee and Josh AND without Memphis.
I’ve seen seasons 8-21 and 20 is by far my favorite.
Obviously our *queens* Victoria and Raven aren't here because they are absolutely not underrated, everyone knows how good they are
Don’t compare Victoria to Raven
@@chriswitherspoon1601 who got to finale 3 🙄🥱🥱 quiet aint no back talk
@@vinnyy_.2579I think the person was saying not to insult Victoria
I’m a simple man. I get a Peridiam notification, I press it
Nicole Schaffrich is such an underrated player and i bring her up so often in bb discussions. She went from the very first target to second place by playing the house so well
Its funny to me how a lot of the underrated players on this list are women. goes to show how cbs props up the male characters for the fans to adore.
Exactly what I was gonna say
Exactly this! I remember loving Vanessa so much from BB17 cause I thought finally a woman mastermind could win the game and was bummed when she didn't. At least we got a lot of women winning seasons (regular and specials) after that.
I was just thinking this! Hmmmmmmm
Completely agree with Shelly, but it's a real shame that Rachel Plencner wasn't included. Truly an under appreciated gem from BB6
Agree!!
Yep
I love her, I was just rewatching season 6 and got more impressed by how she handled situations pretty well
Finally, some respect for QUEEN SHELLY.
Future video topic suggestion
- Best and/or worse twist or format changes in the Amazing Race
- Most ingenious/ugliest lies or truth bombs in Big Brother or Survivor
- Despite Julie guilt tripping of Shelley, instances where Houseguest or castaways (either Big Brother or survivor) made moves either too soon (like Maddy backdooring Loveita in BBCAN4 or Omarosa blindsiding James and leaving a trio intact during the double eviction in CBBUS1) or too late (like Cliff not voting out Holly at Final 5 in BBUS (likely would have been a finalist had he done that)
- Cases to winning or even throwing a comp in Big Brother actually notably backfired on a Houseguest.
I just rewatched Season 5 and I too was surprised at how great a game Karen played. A little surprised Rachel from BB6 isn't on this list. She was by far the most competent member of the Sovereign Six and got none of the attention. Also for all the talk of strategic gameplay in New School, Old School seasons had far more strategy.
Old school is so much better and feels more real. The DRs were better and people cared enough to play the game. Nowadays you get 1 fan of the show and 10 social media people. Strategy dissolved into a big alliance that steamrolls the season and some people that don't have a clue what to do.
Not to mention that Old School didn't have that whole vote with the house mentality that New School did
I see Johnny Mac in the thumbnail, I click
I'm so happy about your number 1 pick. When i went back and watched BB13 for the first time, i was like... "why doesnt anyone ever talk about Shelly? am i the crazy one?"
Thank you for bringing up Karen. I recently rewatched BB5 for the first time since it aired when I was literally like 9 years old and I was like damn, I already know what happens but Karen is pretty damn good and no one seems to remember or talk about her!
Lane was pretty underrated as he is the least talked about brigade member but his alliance/showmance with Britney was crucial for the success of the brigade especially in the end game. The fact he kept tight lipped about the alliance around Britney was impressive to.
That's a pretty good point, and he also was 1 vote away from winning, so he gets some credit
Peridiam I love you! Would love to see a survivor version of this topic!
Dunno how I never saw this video, but I am SO happy that Shelly is #1. I have always, ALWAYS considered her one of the greatest ever.
I was hoping to see Kevin from BB11 I was rewatching it and at first he’s just being on everyone’s good side he’s nobody’s target and then Jessie got evicted, chima was expelled, and Natalie and Lydia are in the block, and he votes out Lydia his best friend because he realizes that Lydia isn’t gonna take her far in the game. Kevin starts showing up and is winning most competitions, and then in final 3 he lost, and thought either way he couldn’t win (which he might’ve been able to win no matter who he was up against)
Shelley only got evicted cause of the Pandora’s box bs, not cause she turned on Jeff!
I think BB5 is underrated in general. The Karen spotlight proves that.
I needed BB2 Nicole and Shelly to be on this list for it to be legit, and you knocked it out of the park. Great picks! I'm not as sure about Hardy, though.
I'm so excited to watch this!
Happy Thanksgiving! You're always giving us great content and today is no different
I love how the beginning of this video started where the end of Pt 1 left off
as soon as you said “let’s talk about number 2” a pampers commercial cake up 😭
I was gonna be so upset if Porsche/Kalia made the list and Shelly didn't. Now she is getting the respect she DESERVES!
What about Gerry being the "Alpha Male" in the BB3 house?
I laughed.
@@Peridiam glad to hear it. Love yer videos homie
Me everytime a guy says he's an "alpha male" 💀💀
Thank you for posting the video. Happy Thanksgiving. 🦃
Wow. I never realized how excellent of a game Karen played on Big Brother 5 until now. I'm mind blown. Here I am thinking Diane or Nakomis were the best players and it may very well be her.
I Really thought he was gonna say that Victoria was the most underrated player
This is so old school heavy
Duh
Amen!
@@jordan0183 nope
Peridam I’ve been thinking latley and watching your vids sinse less then 1000 subs, and thought a good video idea could be what if every season of survivor had an “America’s favourite houseguest” ik there was the sprint player of the year and rupert winning the million in all stars, but for the other seasons. Just an idea thank you
I think its harder to do because of how Survivor editing effects the view of the player. Big Brother is alot of raw footage with live streams. Survivor you know the players how Production wants you to, the same with how you will only the see conversations, strategies, and moments that they want you to see. Still an interesting concept though.
@@ProfessorTrick yes ofc I agree because editing is a huge factor, but it would be fun seeing peridiam trying to avoiding the editing factor and seeing who he would think would be America’s favourite as if it was a live show
@@myus_0026 that's hard, because in survivor the editing is always a big factor. For example, in Nicaragua Kelly Purple could be a fan favorite if they edited all her struggless and would be seen as a "robbed goddess" by twitter or some people of the fandom that basically stan every woman
Love your channel. I recently watched seasons 2 through 5 for the first time and man those seasons are actually so good to watch compared to recent seasons. BB2 and BB4 are actually up there for me as one of best seasons. I completely agree with Karen and i think she should of actually been higher cause noone talks about her or knows her. I figured shed be an early eviction cause i didnt know who she was.
Shelly should have been in All Stars
I need more Survivor content. I have actually never watched Big Brother and have no idea what you’re talking about half of the time
love seeing all these old school players on the list!!
I agree with this. I liked Shelly’s play. I feel like she played such a great game but got so much shit. I never understood besides CBS loved Jeff. Jordan would always say they never won any comps but she only won one that season and Jeff throw it to her. I saw a whole entitled side to Jordan that season I just did not like.
Surprised Haleigh wasn’t on the list, she knew exactly that Tyler was running the game and tried so hard to destroy Level 6, but twists really screw her over. Without the Hacker twist and Fessy being stupid by evicting Scottie. She has a good chance of riding to the end.
What works against her was not having more guidance with Fessy during his HoH week. The hacker twist worked in Level’s 6 favor due to Rockstar bombing the Otev veto comp as badly as she did. otherwise, the twist likely would have work as intended I believe (crank up the antics between the two side without the Hacker abilities actually effectively getting used. Haleigh’s mismanagement of her hacker week that led to that house meeting turned fight is a good example of what I think the production was hoping would happen with twist and not working as intended)
Haleigh has a lot of potential, especially with being more perceptive with what was going on with the other side of the house, but she could have handled and done things a lot better as well.
i agree with the person above
i'm not putting the blame on haleigh for the scottie thing but she knew he was on their side and didn't do much to prevent him from going besides a few comments like 'idk i think he's on our side'
fessy was in her back pocket
jc could control fessy so his showmance directing him on the right path wouldn't be hard if she just fought for it more
that's what annoyed me the most that week that not only fessy wanted him up but haleigh didn't do much to prevent it
so while i wouldn't say she's to blame for the scottie thing, a better player would have talked their closest ally (who would literally listen to your every word) out of doing something that dumb
and yeah, haleigh managed the hacker thin very poorly
she was the best of the hive but that's not saying much lol
I agree, Haleigh was great
You should do top 10 underrated survivor players
My most underrated player is definitely Nicole S from BB2. I definitely think that Shelly is very underrated as well, but I see more people talk about Shelly. Big BB fans still talk about how Shelly was robbed. I don’t really see anyone mention Nicole or Hardy anymore.
you should do a bbcan version of this as well!
Please do a top ten best big brother players all time
Hey presidium. I know it’s big brother season but I have an amazing video idea you can do! You chose a season of big brother or survivor. Than chose a vital point within that season. (For this example I will chose Yul’s vote out at WAW). You then go through and explain what you think would happen the rest of the season if, in this case Yul made it to the merge.
Presidium? 😂
Taran mention Karen as an underrated player today. I was unaware of how good she was!!
okay, so I just finished watching the first season of Australian survivor and like whaaaaaaat!! Can we please have a video on her and how she won. Like she had no numbers going into the merge and was nearly voted out like 3 times. I was blown away lol. And her FTC... prob one of the best ever.
Love you Peridiam
Jozea in the thumbnail prompted me to click this video
What you’ve just proved Peridiam is that Big Brother 9 is the most underrated season. I’m currently re watching this and it’s bringing me so much joy.
Just one question though. Why isn’t Michelle from BB11 mentioned in your top 10 most underrated players ever?! Is she top 20? I loved season 11 as she was the ultimate underdog! ❤️
I think she’s Top 20.
didn’t realize all the north new jersey people on the early seasons of BB
Hey Peridiam, I am a 20 year old hoping to play big brother in my life. I find your videos so helpful and entertaining thank you for making them. Is there any advice you would have for what people should do it get on big brother or maybe make a video for bb hopefulls and how we should think trying out for the show. I know you probably won’t see this but thankful for your content thanks
Hey Peridiam, would you do a video about the top 10 Big Brother cast members that we lost pre-jury who deserve a second chance...
I'd personally love to see people like Nick Uhas, Howard, Devin, Cassi, Amber, Clay, Jessica, Dominique, Winston, and Rachel play in a newer season!
Yeah I’d love to!
I luv u peridiam, amazing list
I was 100% a Nicole stan in BB 2
BB6’s Rachel was snubbed from this list
I appreciate Sheila as a player but I can’t say she’s the best player in BB9. Adam was definitely the better player, even though he’s a winner I think he’s very underrated. His worst moments were first half of week 1 and final 6 nominations but other than that he did a great job at threat level management and had the best social game in the house.
Agree Adam is a great winner. Look no further than his face when Jacob sinks his own game. His only misstep was saying retard on national TV lol
16:55 I see that Among Us terminology coming through
Yaaaaas king
Which one??
@@bernardoleal9750 "marinated"
I was sad when Karen was evicted. It was the first full season I watched. I had seen some of bb4.
Roddy was so charismatic and incredibly manipulative.
Season 13 as a whole was very underrated. It’s my favorite to watch. Maybe because it’s my first season watching, so I’m a little bias. But the newbie vs veteran structure was amazing. The season would have been so much better had 1. There was no battle back 2. In the event of a battle back Kalia stuck to her guns and didn’t nominate Lawon and 3. That damn Pandora’s box😡
There’s two OTT people that I feel are underrated
The winner Morgan Willet and Kryssie
Morgan always had a good chance of winning that season americas vote or Jury vote. She was positioned in a way where if she made final 3 or final 2 she could easily win no matter what
And Kryssie just played well imo and was a strategic force who played with her alliance well
I wish CBS didnt pretend that OTT never happened. I would love to see Morgan return, or honestly any of the OTT cast. It is genuinely my favorite cast ever. The only person I disliked was Jason, and even he had his entertaining moments. Such an underrated season that so many BB fans havent seen, mainly because whenever you type it in on Paramount+, it doesnt show up 😭 You literally have to Google it and then click the Paramount link through Google. I wonder why CBS hates it sm
Last time I was this late, I was early for the next day.
Shelby is a great pick! I’ve always wanted to see her return. Season 13 was completely rigged!
I’m low key shocked Brett wasn’t mentioned on the list, the fact that he was able to survive evictions while being considered a threat was pretty impressive.
He was an honorable mention
Brett is interesting in whether or not he is really underrated. Compared to the whole house, Brett is definitely not underrated. As a member of Level 6, that is where the argument comes in since things get overdo use on the trio of Tyler, Kaycee, and Angela. Also, Tyler selling out blindsiding Brett is considered a strong move to where I think the opposite and starts to shed light on why Tyler losing to Kaycee is valid (that was showing Tyler was more interested in doing what Kaycee and Angela wanted instead of conveying, notably to the jury what was better for his individual game.
I feel like that was due to Brett being in the majority alliance, not based on Brett's gameplay specifically
Good on him for being able to form the majority alliance, but he didn't really do much to avoid eviction besides that
@@TheKYLEdavid One disagreement with that is with Brett’s eviction speeches. While he did benefit from being in the majority alliance, he used it as both to capitalize from being on the block (I.e. Rockstar), (and it is uncommon for a player to use being on the block as a strength) as well as giving his side every incentive to keep him around for as long as possible, like keeping him over Rachel by drawing attention to himself.
Hardy Ames-Hill is my favorite Male player in the history of the show!! I named a Parakeet after him in my youth..
3:48 Invented jury management
Paul needs to watch that clip
Will*
Holly from bb5 was featured for .6 seconds in this vid and that’s enough for me
When Jerry called himself an alpha male 😂
Thats my grandpa he still thinks he is at the age of 88
Cliff imo not the most underrated player but he deserves to be on this list he’s a literal king
I actually love Shelly. Glad she finally got some credit.
> doesn't put jason guy on the list bc he is actually rated highly by a large portion of the fan base
>puts roddy as number 3 most underrated players
...k
Can you do a BBCAN version?
Hey, Peridiam, did you ever think of trying out for BB? Would be pretty legendary to see you in the house. And you'd be an instant fan favourite, so production would cheat for you, lol.
i screamed FUCK YEAAAAAAAAAA when I saw Karen
With underrated players, I think an honorable mentioned goes to Kathryn from BBUS21.
Despite shooting her mouth off on week 1 and targeting herself due to conspiring bitches, she started to play herself into a wildcard role, which can be interesting position but backfire if you caught like she does.
However, one thing hampered her was her prior relationship with Holly, which actually benefited Jackson and even Holly. A lot of people focus so much on Tommy and Christie that they overlook the Holly and Kat arguably had made game weight and effect (Tommy and Christie, given common identifiers, likely would have still work together almost in the same way (main exception with is Jack, who they would have had tighter connections and Final 2 deals with him instead of each other until Jack’s eviction.) Had Holly and Kat been strangers, Kat would have likely turned on them, especially as Jackson dumped Kat for Holly in terms of hookup/showmance, so there would have a stronger chance of Kat either voting for Jack in Week 4 and strongly aligned more with Cliff’s Angels or with the fractured Six Shooters on the Jack and Christie side and voted out Jackson in Week 6, along with Tommy and Nick.
Another thing in favor of Nicole and hardy is that they were severely harmed by the structure of the show. If bb2 had a final four veto, like every other season besides it and bb3, I’m willing to bet money that one of Nicole or Hardy wins it and then they both make it to final 2. However, because there was no veto, they had to rely on Nicole winning that final 4 HOH, which was only a 1/3 shot.
Thank you! Finally someone else recognizes Shelly Moore
You know Shelly's a f'real one cause she called the double eviction a "Fast Forward."
I noticed that too!
corey brooks should definitely be on here. it’s just mindblowing how despite being the biggest guy in the house, he made it to the end game with ease by picking the right allies and keeping his cool which kept him safe when paul was targeting paulie. he also wins that season against anyone other than victor, including nicole and paul and he was so close to getting there
Are you really convincing me to watch season 9 again? Season 9? I haven't watched that season since it aired, but I guess here we go again
Tbh it isnt so bad, although has an unlikeable cast, at least its not boring. A lot happens
I would’ve killed for a segment on Natalie Negrotti
YES SHELLY APPRECIATION
Big Brother 4 Robert is a pretty decent player and is barely talked about I think he is one of the most Underrated Players
Fax
Why? What did he do besides tag along with Jee and Justin? Not trying to be argumentative just trying to see what I’m missing.
@@TheKyoshiFan He didnt do anything too fancy He played a decent game He got along with Most of the Jury He won Competitions He just did Decent He was going to win if he made it to the final 2
@@nicholashamilton6783 true, he would have won in final 2, but that was mostly because he was a single father. And that Alison and Jun were hated. Social game was decent for sure, but I felt strategically and competitively he didn’t bring much to the table 🤷🏻♀️
He did win that crucial final 4 HOH so that was cool.
@@TheKyoshiFan I can agree with most of what you said Strategically yeah I didnt see too much there but He did win 2 vetos and a hoh when it was needed but His main thing was Social Game which was fairly decent
I think McCrae is kind of an underrated player. I really don't hear him get brought up that much other than people talking about BB15 and mostly because people are talking about Amanda. Maybe I'm biased because he's a personal favorite Big Brother of mine but I do wish people talked about him more.
Dont @ me but I think natalie from bb9 is also underrated. I think she just messed up by giving the HoH to Sheila, and getting caught playing both sides.
Queen, to think that she was voted out because she was a threat is amazing. Like, freaking Natalie was a threat. That only could happend on BB9
Make a video of if the final hoh format is the best for the final 3
I still don't understand why people hate season 9 so much. It had some early lows but it had some wild moment's.
Besides Karen, Im surprised by a lot of the choices on here. I haven't watched those earlier seasons in a while but you made a compelling argument for those ppl.
Nicole from BB2 is the best Nicole and i wish she’d play again. On any all stars season especially. But for your number one pick!! Me as a forever Jeff and Jordan fan! That one hurts
CHRISTIE HELEN & FRANKIE ARE 100% UNDERRATED