Sage speaks truth...he had 4 yrs of great coaches (because of his Dad's relationship) with veteran coaches who were able to stabilize the foundation and add their experience to the mix. The coaching braindrain has exposed his inability to truly coach.
Yes, he should be fired because he's had numerous opportunities and never learns from his mistakes. It's possible we end up hiring someone worse than Kyle but I'm willing to take that chance. We already know what we're getting with Kyle and it's not a SB title.
People that claim that Andy Reid in KC would be the same coach had he stayed in Philly understand absolutely nothing about causality. The experience of being let go by Philly and moving on to a new place enabled Reid having been humbled, to grow and become a truly great coach. Had he remained in Philly that would never have happened. It is the worst most ignorant argument possible to imagine that because KS resembles Philly Reid all the Niners need to do to is stay loyal to KS and he will somehow magically become KC Reid. without being humbled and having the opportunity to make a new start. Stunning that it is favoured by so many.
Not only that. Philly won a SB with Doug Pederson, and then fired the guy a few years later!!!! Let that sink in. Phily organization will canned your azzz in the heartbeat. They will not fall in love with a coach even if they brought a SB to the city... Jed should take note. And who was Doug Pederson??? So this notion that there is "no else out there" is lame.
Kyle's literally been here for eight years compared to other head coaches not that long. Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh for 17 years and has one Super Bowl show for it Kyle Shanahan has been to two Super Bowls multiple NFC title games in eight years. He has a track record of winning all you guys are saying Ben Johnson this Ben Johnson that Kyle Shanahan has two more Super Bowl appearances than Johnson two more NFC championship than Johnson three more NFC championship appearances And Kyle literally beat Ben Johnson in the NFC championship game like what are we talking about? If Ben Johnson can't even out coach, Kyle Shanahan why should he take his job?
@ there's a couple current NFL head coaches with Super Bowl rings, Doug Peterson, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid John Harbaugh and Sean, Peyton and none of us want Mike McCarthy or Doug Peterson as our head coach so even though you wanna do Kyle for it of 32 teams eight coaches have a Super Bowl ring and of that ladder. The only ones who have won a ring since Kyle became head coach, are McVay, Reid and Bruce Arian, and Doug peaderson so if you're talking about firing, Kyle Shanahan name somebody who you would suggest should be our next head coach because Ben Johnson has obviously proved that his offensive play calling in big games like an NFC championship game last year is not very good so name me one head coach who you believe the 49ers would have a chance at hiring this off-season who is better than Kyle Shanahan if you want to say Bill Belichick well then of course Bill Belichick, but that's the only one I know but you can go ahead and choose one
We needed bill Belicheck to come in and challenge Shanahan’s play calling and decision making. I think this season would’ve been a different story if they found a way to hire Bill as DC over Sorensen.
Fanboy Chase fails to mention Mahomes or Spagnuolo when praising Reid. Further he praises the ShanaLynch tandem, but their track record is at best mediocre (Hello Trey Lance).
you cant justify and keep making mistakes because of prior mistakes they didnt give harbaugh enough control and he was pushed out they try to atone by giving kyle too much and being afraid he will leave just because a guy can draw up plays it doesnt mean he is a great leader a head coach needs to be a leader 1st
Just watching the Raiders-Chiefs in the 2nd quarter and #74 moved twice in a row with no call against him. I swear him alone probably is guilty of that at least 10 times. At the least.
If you weren't alive when Steve Young won a Super Bowl, I probably don't want to hear you talk about the 49ers. Just sayin. Hard to take someone seriously who doesn't even have to shave yet.
I don't understand what the hate is for Sorrenson,,,,we're the 6th ranked defense this year and we were only 8th last year. Objectively, we had better talent last year and less injuries, yet we're playing better overall this year. The reason we're 5-6 is because the defense isn't top 3 and can't carry us alone, like it did in years past - that and the HUGE fall off in productivity on offense and you get our shitty record. THAT is on Kyle as he completely runs the offense.....the league has figured out his play calling and he's too stubborn to adapt. At times, I feel like it's the Waterboy and the opposing DC is giggling on the sideline because he knows EXACTLY what we're going to do on offense. I don't know if we need to fire Kyle, but someone needs to step in and ensure that there are changes on that side of the ball......mostly, STOP DOWNPLAYING THE VALUE OF THE OLINE! Now that teams are reacting to the stretch runs, we have lost all ability to run the ball, because we can't lineup and just beat people off the ball.
Firing Shanahan after this season is premature. However, some coaching changes do need to be made, more specifically the DC and the special teams coaches. Also, Shanahan needs to officially hire a OC. Preferably, a veteran offensive minded coach that can help Kyle with his in game play calls and adjustments!
Would I fire him yes cause I see the same patterns for the last couple years and honestly it looks like mike Daniels was the play creator cause I don’t even see us use the jet sweep anymore 🤔…Will they fire him tho no
they would keep him for sure, the yorks like the guy..so the only option is to get him a offensive coordinator like how the chiefs have reid and matt nagy as his offensive coordinator..the one they should fired is the defensive coordinator and get a guy that runs a belichick style defensive scheme, the belichick system always give andy reid offenses problems and the belichick defensive system can give offenses different looks, they dont play on one base defense scheme, belichick system would have four defensive lineman to start the game than next they switch to a three defensive linemans, same thing with his secondary, he always mixed up coverage in the secondary, the 49ers needs this..they need new defensive scheme and some big-tough offensive linemans..enough with the lanky small offensive lineman that mike shanahan and kyle love to draft.
@ play calling got him to the Super Bowl 3 times. Oh let me guess, you’re gonna say the superbowl loss when he was an offensive co is on him right? Parroting talking points right
Fire Shanahan, hire Bill Bilicheck. Clean out house and bring in new coaching staff. Let Belicheck do his thing and I bet 3-4 years the Niners make it back to the Superbowl and actually win. Shanahan's time is up. He lost 2 SB's and will not be able to even get back with this team. That is sad, but it is time to move on. New blood!
I’m gonna be honest I think you guys lost the plot with this one. Yes he has flaws absolutely so did Andy Reid till he got Mahomes, same with belicheck. He got yall to 2 super bowls with jimmy G and the last pick in the draft.
I dont get the whole we'll fire Kyle and get Ben Johnson from the Lions. For one why would he leave? That is a very good team and will stay that way for years to come. SF has a bunch of high priced injury prone veterans
Where this franchise was? It's still in the same place where it's been. No Superbowls in 30 years
Sage speaks truth...he had 4 yrs of great coaches (because of his Dad's relationship) with veteran coaches who were able to stabilize the foundation and add their experience to the mix. The coaching braindrain has exposed his inability to truly coach.
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How is he one of the best play callers in the league haven't never scored more than 19 points a game. Go get Ben Johnson !!!
you think ben johnson would do anything with this offensive line ?
If Brock plays this Sunday vs the Bills and gets injured, then yes, Kyle should be fired!
Without Mahomes, Reid would have won the same as he did in Philadelphia, nothing.
The league has figured out Shanahan. Heʻs not fooling anyone anymore. Heʻs lost his juice. Donʻt fire Shanahan. *TRADE* him!
Kyle deserves a ton of blame for this years heartless crap team
2:12 I don't think he realizes he just made the point to fire Kyle. Also calm it down Skippy.
Fire his ass stop all this bull shit man he's washed .
Kyle is not a has been, he is a never was.
Yes, he should be fired because he's had numerous opportunities and never learns from his mistakes. It's possible we end up hiring someone worse than Kyle but I'm willing to take that chance. We already know what we're getting with Kyle and it's not a SB title.
As a fan since the 2000, it’s time to move on from Kyle. I would give him next season and that’s it period.
People that claim that Andy Reid in KC would be the same coach had he stayed in Philly understand absolutely nothing about causality. The experience of being let go by Philly and moving on to a new place enabled Reid having been humbled, to grow and become a truly great coach. Had he remained in Philly that would never have happened. It is the worst most ignorant argument possible to imagine that because KS resembles Philly Reid all the Niners need to do to is stay loyal to KS and he will somehow magically become KC Reid. without being humbled and having the opportunity to make a new start. Stunning that it is favoured by so many.
He's apparently okay with being glorified 2nd place losers time and time again
Not only that. Philly won a SB with Doug Pederson, and then fired the guy a few years later!!!! Let that sink in. Phily organization will canned your azzz in the heartbeat. They will not fall in love with a coach even if they brought a SB to the city... Jed should take note. And who was Doug Pederson??? So this notion that there is "no else out there" is lame.
I guess Kyle gets to coach here for life without ever winning a championship 🤷🏻♂️
This is what settling for less looks like
Kyle's literally been here for eight years compared to other head coaches not that long. Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh for 17 years and has one Super Bowl show for it Kyle Shanahan has been to two Super Bowls multiple NFC title games in eight years. He has a track record of winning all you guys are saying Ben Johnson this Ben Johnson that Kyle Shanahan has two more Super Bowl appearances than Johnson two more NFC championship than Johnson three more NFC championship appearances And Kyle literally beat Ben Johnson in the NFC championship game like what are we talking about? If Ben Johnson can't even out coach, Kyle Shanahan why should he take his job?
@@lamontpounds2917Tomlin has one, no matter what, you can't take that away. Kyle has zero, you can't take that away either.
@ there's a couple current NFL head coaches with Super Bowl rings, Doug Peterson, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid John Harbaugh and Sean, Peyton and none of us want Mike McCarthy or Doug Peterson as our head coach so even though you wanna do Kyle for it of 32 teams eight coaches have a Super Bowl ring and of that ladder. The only ones who have won a ring since Kyle became head coach, are McVay, Reid and Bruce Arian, and Doug peaderson so if you're talking about firing, Kyle Shanahan name somebody who you would suggest should be our next head coach because Ben Johnson has obviously proved that his offensive play calling in big games like an NFC championship game last year is not very good so name me one head coach who you believe the 49ers would have a chance at hiring this off-season who is better than Kyle Shanahan if you want to say Bill Belichick well then of course Bill Belichick, but that's the only one I know but you can go ahead and choose one
@@lamontpounds2917Kyle could have a 30 point lead in the Super Bowl and still lose
KS had 100% control of Atl offense & choked in the SB. He choked in all the big games where they were heavily favored. KS needs to kick rocks
We needed bill Belicheck to come in and challenge Shanahan’s play calling and decision making. I think this season would’ve been a different story if they found a way to hire Bill as DC over Sorensen.
Problem is he needs hire a OC and just be a head coach. Trying to coach offense and just be a Head coach not easy.
Fanboy Chase fails to mention Mahomes or Spagnuolo when praising Reid. Further he praises the ShanaLynch tandem, but their track record is at best mediocre (Hello Trey Lance).
Love Sages comments👍
We are interested into SB 🏆 's.
KS = 0 - 🏆
you cant justify and keep making mistakes because of prior mistakes
they didnt give harbaugh enough control and he was pushed out
they try to atone by giving kyle too much and being afraid he will leave
just because a guy can draw up plays it doesnt mean he is a great leader
a head coach needs to be a leader 1st
Not only that, Harbaugh is a proven HC. Won on the college level and is back in the NFL. Not many HCs can compete with that.
I have to lean on Chase with this debate!
Revoke the personnel authority and take playcalling away from him.
Just watching the Raiders-Chiefs in the 2nd quarter and #74 moved twice in a row with no call against him. I swear him alone probably is guilty of that at least 10 times. At the least.
Nothing new, been that way a long time, not just today, or even this season. The league has favorites and love revenue.
@FrankWebber-n4b It's especially bad when it's KC though.
@@parrotletsrunearth1173 Tell me about it🏴☠️
If you weren't alive when Steve Young won a Super Bowl, I probably don't want to hear you talk about the 49ers. Just sayin. Hard to take someone seriously who doesn't even have to shave yet.
I don't understand what the hate is for Sorrenson,,,,we're the 6th ranked defense this year and we were only 8th last year. Objectively, we had better talent last year and less injuries, yet we're playing better overall this year. The reason we're 5-6 is because the defense isn't top 3 and can't carry us alone, like it did in years past - that and the HUGE fall off in productivity on offense and you get our shitty record. THAT is on Kyle as he completely runs the offense.....the league has figured out his play calling and he's too stubborn to adapt. At times, I feel like it's the Waterboy and the opposing DC is giggling on the sideline because he knows EXACTLY what we're going to do on offense. I don't know if we need to fire Kyle, but someone needs to step in and ensure that there are changes on that side of the ball......mostly, STOP DOWNPLAYING THE VALUE OF THE OLINE! Now that teams are reacting to the stretch runs, we have lost all ability to run the ball, because we can't lineup and just beat people off the ball.
I truly believe, that if Harbaugh would been retained, Frisco would have won a bowl by now.
4:17 only if Kyle would focus on the Oline and getting another Good TE
Bring Saleh in for coach.
Firing Shanahan after this season is premature. However, some coaching changes do need to be made, more specifically the DC and the special teams coaches. Also, Shanahan needs to officially hire a OC. Preferably, a veteran offensive minded coach that can help Kyle with his in game play calls and adjustments!
Nothing to debate about this team.
Would I fire him yes cause I see the same patterns for the last couple years and honestly it looks like mike Daniels was the play creator cause I don’t even see us use the jet sweep anymore 🤔…Will they fire him tho no
A nfl coaches is never measure by what he does that's called perception there defined by wins and losses
they would keep him for sure, the yorks like the guy..so the only option is to get him a offensive coordinator like how the chiefs have reid and matt nagy as his offensive coordinator..the one they should fired is the defensive coordinator and get a guy that runs a belichick style defensive scheme, the belichick system always give andy reid offenses problems and the belichick defensive system can give offenses different looks, they dont play on one base defense scheme, belichick system would have four defensive lineman to start the game than next they switch to a three defensive linemans, same thing with his secondary, he always mixed up coverage in the secondary, the 49ers needs this..they need new defensive scheme and some big-tough offensive linemans..enough with the lanky small offensive lineman that mike shanahan and kyle love to draft.
There is no one to replace him with. That’s reality.
I’ve seen colleges teams with more creativity in their play calling lol
@ play calling got him to the Super Bowl 3 times. Oh let me guess, you’re gonna say the superbowl loss when he was an offensive co is on him right? Parroting talking points right
Give shanny one more year to hit, if not setup da lights its Prime Time bichh!!
Fire Shanahan, hire Bill Bilicheck. Clean out house and bring in new coaching staff. Let Belicheck do his thing and I bet 3-4 years the Niners make it back to the Superbowl and actually win. Shanahan's time is up. He lost 2 SB's and will not be able to even get back with this team. That is sad, but it is time to move on. New blood!
Y’all tripping capping for Kyle 💀
I’m gonna be honest I think you guys lost the plot with this one. Yes he has flaws absolutely so did Andy Reid till he got Mahomes, same with belicheck. He got yall to 2 super bowls with jimmy G and the last pick in the draft.
Is that stats 2.0 lol dude a clown
This is the stupidest debate , anyone that wants Kyle gone can go be a Bears fan
For me personally, I'm neutral.
Offense line defense line needs upgrade go younger gave kyle year one don't make playoffs fire him
Coric is so right.... listen and learn 9er nation
I dont get the whole we'll fire Kyle and get Ben Johnson from the Lions. For one why would he leave? That is a very good team and will stay that way for years to come. SF has a bunch of high priced injury prone veterans
Exactly
You think he doesn't want a 12 million dollar annual salary?
Sign eberflus for D
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Grant the next time kyle is on the podium just tell him he should be fired since that's what u want
U mean we all do
Been a fan since the mid 80’s. Bruh it’s time to move on. We can rebuild & start over. Been through it
Fire Kyle & get who? 🤷🏽♂️
Prime Time,!!! needed him for the last one, prolly go need him for the next one!
Keep Kyle Shanahan