Yeah totally agree with you. People really dont realise that not everything in the same price bracket is competing with each out. for most people they can pick up the c80 and fx6 can be totally fine with the work flow. both cams have internal nd, autofocus and are very much run and gun. but like you said the red komodo is a complete different kinda beast where the former has everything built into a small package the komodo was meant as a crash cam and primary obj is to get a good image. to use the komodo in the same way as you would use a c80 or fx6 is expensive if you are thinking about adding autofous, ND, audio IO and then the package it self isnt so small anymore. not to mention still talking about the run and gun natural of the c80 and fx6 it takes seconds for those cameras to turn on which im pretty sure i cant say for the komodo. so like u said c80 and fx6 more geared towards run and gun/ docu filmmaking while with the komodo is geared for controlled environments but can be run and gun with alot of time and money researching workflows and getting accessories
Of course IT IS a Komodo Killer. And Nikon knows it and that's why they reduced drastically the Komodo OG and X prices. Nikon/RED needs to rethink deeply their next generation of cinema cameras if they want to stay competitive and not be confined to a "cool guy camera niche".
Are you dumb? RED / Nikon dropped the price on the Komodo and Komodo X because it's going to take them a year to bring out a new RED camera. Tell your story to the new Komodo / X users that picked up the discounted cameras. It was a brilliant move from Red / Nikon. You even have C70 users that are saying the C80 isn't the upgrade to make them sell their C70's.
I have a c70, but I went for the 400 instead of the 80 in this next round. That said, between RED and Canon, there are major advantages to either, and each can get the job done. The Canon, will be the easier and in most cases more reliable camera to shoot with, but RED makes some amazing cameras all with more narrative driven features, as you’ve already pointed out. But Canon’s 400 and 80 do have more strengths overall - they work great with commercials, documentary, and still get you in the ballpark for cinema - but aren’t as focused as RED, Blackmagic, Arri, etc...
Unless the C80 produces the same quality image, then all those features don't mean anything. Let's shoot the same content and see which content is better. You can add the DJI focus pro and the Komodo has great AF.
C80,fx6,c400,Pyxis all have reason to be picked over a Komodo honestly. C80 and c400 both full frame with good auto focus and colors with built in ND. Fx6 incredible lowlight light weight also full frame with built in ND and the best autofocus out. Pyxis amazing image nice form factor easiest to use out of all the cameras and has open gate also full frame at an affordable price.
Again, another spec fanboy that will sacrifice image quality over image quality. Go film your local car dealership and leave the RED;s to the other guys.
Great video. Don’t listen to some of these guys, I’m kind of glad that you didn’t talk about image quality. It’s almost kind of pointless to talk about image quality, in this day and age. They are all excellent.
Right? I could get an S5IIX if I really wanted full frame 6K, but it doesn’t have timecode or a reliable video output (bad latency). So why would I settle for a tool that’s not meeting my needs just for a maybe better image??
At $5499 in Texas with no tax for Cinematographers and film makers the C80 indeed is a B cam, run and gun, doc, etc., Komodo killer. Get back with me next year when a complete Komodo kit drops a few more thousand. And the C80 doesn't need a phone app to auto focus either.
You nailed it, and stopped the hype train. The Canon C80 is a run and gun and the Komodo is for a controlled lighting environment. Canon has however put Sony on notice regarding their next fx6 and will hopefully force them to drop the price by at least $500, which is wishful thinking.
Global shutter and real raw count for something. Red cameras have the best image quality of all cameras in this price range without any doubt. To me the price is more than justified.
@@andersistbesser It’s quite a premium to pay even at 7k for a Super 35 camera with no internal NDs, bad autofocus, bad lowlight and overpriced proprietary accessories that are necessary for the camera to function normally including their insanely overpriced monitor because the onboard screen is unusable. Honestly, a lot of cameras look just as good if not better than the RED even the Blackmagic 6K which is pretty inexpensive. With a capable operator and decent color correction many of these images are difficult to tell apart. It’s not that the KX isn’t a good camera, it’s just that it’s overpriced gear in today’s market which is saturated with incredible cameras that do a lot more for a lot less.
The C80 is built for videographers and owner operator small commercial DOPs. The Komodo is a crash-Cam intended for FPV and tight spaces in studio environments.
That may have been the design intention, but I’ll raise you the Alexa Mini, which was designed with the same purpose, and then people were like “oh wait, let’s rig this and use it as an A cam”. Some (very very few people) people are bold enough to use the Blackmagic Micro Cinema as a rigged out A cam. Never discount a camera’s use case based on its “intended design”!
If you never been on a film production then you won't understand the difference in canon and red. there is a reason you don't see c70 as cash cams. I never see any one call something a arri killer. but the c80 have much more to offer so why dose this cost 5500 and the arri is 100-200k? you won't know until you on set and you see the image. that when you say oh I get it.
Well at this stage in the game, you could say it’s because the C80 is doing 80% of its job, but in a more awkward body…I think though, if you look at the trend of **most** of Canon’s cinema offerings, they make a big initial splash, but then fall off the map as they still end up not fully certain niches or needs.
@@FireFaceFilms Yes I agree with you on that last point but the improved autofocus and improved digital in camera stablization alone should get canon users more excited about the C400 then the reduced price of the Komodo X. Canon's sabatoge of the C80 with the lack of the CF express B card slot as well as the 30 fps limit on 6K is not going to convince a lot of C70 users to upgrade. The C500 mk ii has an amazing image and if the C400 comes anywhere near it, then we will have a canon camera that rivals the RED Komodo
@@hawaiifreespeechnews I bought one. Love it, Canon won’t make the public awareness rounds like Red, Arri, Sony… but a lot of shooters love and use Canon cine cams all the time - just without the press. C400 is a very nice upgrade from my former c70, and I went with it over the 80 because I outgrew the c70 and needed a larger body with more set versatility.
I would still say no. Yes, the C400 has more robust raw options and a comprehensive button layout, but it’s still missing things like varied exposure tools, global shutter, and anamorphic support. All of which are ideal for cinema workflows
Not a single syllable about image quality. Well, that’s 10 minutes I’ll never get back. Serves me right for clicking on a video where the guy has his toys in the background. 🤦♂️
Why fret about image quality when we all know that camera image quality is a game of diminishing returns unless you’re ARRI or don’t know what you’re doing? We know we can make great images with any camera, this is simply a matter of what camera works for what workflow 😃
@@FireFaceFilms If you don't think image is an issue I guess you need to find all sorts of other reasons to justify what you spent on the komodo and all the extras just to get it into a usable state. Red makes good cameras but overpriced IMO.
I more mean that image *isn’t* the most important thing to consider when picking a camera. Spending money on extras and rigging will vary wildly depending on the job. If I’m honest, I could spend a fraction of the money on any of the cameras discussed here and get a Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K or Pyxis with appropriate rigging and get an image that I know I’d like more than what comes out of the C80.
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Yeah totally agree with you. People really dont realise that not everything in the same price bracket is competing with each out. for most people they can pick up the c80 and fx6 can be totally fine with the work flow. both cams have internal nd, autofocus and are very much run and gun. but like you said the red komodo is a complete different kinda beast where the former has everything built into a small package the komodo was meant as a crash cam and primary obj is to get a good image. to use the komodo in the same way as you would use a c80 or fx6 is expensive if you are thinking about adding autofous, ND, audio IO and then the package it self isnt so small anymore. not to mention still talking about the run and gun natural of the c80 and fx6 it takes seconds for those cameras to turn on which im pretty sure i cant say for the komodo. so like u said c80 and fx6 more geared towards run and gun/ docu filmmaking while with the komodo is geared for controlled environments but can be run and gun with alot of time and money researching workflows and getting accessories
Like minds!
Of course IT IS a Komodo Killer. And Nikon knows it and that's why they reduced drastically the Komodo OG and X prices. Nikon/RED needs to rethink deeply their next generation of cinema cameras if they want to stay competitive and not be confined to a "cool guy camera niche".
Agreed!!
Killer ? That term seams to come up every time a new canera comes out. They have quite different capabilities.
Are you dumb? RED / Nikon dropped the price on the Komodo and Komodo X because it's going to take them a year to bring out a new RED camera. Tell your story to the new Komodo / X users that picked up the discounted cameras. It was a brilliant move from Red / Nikon. You even have C70 users that are saying the C80 isn't the upgrade to make them sell their C70's.
I have a c70, but I went for the 400 instead of the 80 in this next round. That said, between RED and Canon, there are major advantages to either, and each can get the job done. The Canon, will be the easier and in most cases more reliable camera to shoot with, but RED makes some amazing cameras all with more narrative driven features, as you’ve already pointed out. But Canon’s 400 and 80 do have more strengths overall - they work great with commercials, documentary, and still get you in the ballpark for cinema - but aren’t as focused as RED, Blackmagic, Arri, etc...
Now that’s an upgrade path that makes sense! If I were a C70 owner, I really couldn’t see a reason to move up to the 80.
C80 is definitely a Komodo killer . Red owner here
Unless the C80 produces the same quality image, then all those features don't mean anything. Let's shoot the same content and see which content is better. You can add the DJI focus pro and the Komodo has great AF.
C80,fx6,c400,Pyxis all have reason to be picked over a Komodo honestly. C80 and c400 both full frame with good auto focus and colors with built in ND. Fx6 incredible lowlight light weight also full frame with built in ND and the best autofocus out. Pyxis amazing image nice form factor easiest to use out of all the cameras and has open gate also full frame at an affordable price.
Again, another spec fanboy that will sacrifice image quality over image quality. Go film your local car dealership and leave the RED;s to the other guys.
@ lol I shoot z cam e2f6 which has better image quality than all these cameras I don’t care for none of the things I name for myself personally
The Blackmagic PYXIS at $2,900 is the Komodo killer.
Bingo
I got a Komodo over that. for good reason. You can't shoot everything with that read out speed. also high light roll off.
@@highlycreativedigital5472 not worth more than double the price
Haha. Never. How old is that PYXIS sensor?
Great video. Don’t listen to some of these guys, I’m kind of glad that you didn’t talk about image quality. It’s almost kind of pointless to talk about image quality, in this day and age. They are all excellent.
Right? I could get an S5IIX if I really wanted full frame 6K, but it doesn’t have timecode or a reliable video output (bad latency). So why would I settle for a tool that’s not meeting my needs just for a maybe better image??
At $5499 in Texas with no tax for Cinematographers and film makers the C80 indeed is a B cam, run and gun, doc, etc., Komodo killer. Get back with me next year when a complete Komodo kit drops a few more thousand. And the C80 doesn't need a phone app to auto focus either.
I'm in Texas how can take advantage of no tax for cinematographers
You nailed it, and stopped the hype train. The Canon C80 is a run and gun and the Komodo is for a controlled lighting environment. Canon has however put Sony on notice regarding their next fx6 and will hopefully force them to drop the price by at least $500, which is wishful thinking.
The KX is still overpriced at 7k. The brand name is keeping it afloat. Given the tech that's out there right now, it's hard to justify.
I somewhat agree, but at 7K, the KX is least more in line with other options. 10K for that camera was insane
Global shutter and real raw count for something. Red cameras have the best image quality of all cameras in this price range without any doubt. To me the price is more than justified.
@@andersistbesser It’s quite a premium to pay even at 7k for a Super 35 camera with no internal NDs, bad autofocus, bad lowlight and overpriced proprietary accessories that are necessary for the camera to function normally including their insanely overpriced monitor because the onboard screen is unusable. Honestly, a lot of cameras look just as good if not better than the RED even the Blackmagic 6K which is pretty inexpensive. With a capable operator and decent color correction many of these images are difficult to tell apart. It’s not that the KX isn’t a good camera, it’s just that it’s overpriced gear in today’s market which is saturated with incredible cameras that do a lot more for a lot less.
The C80 is built for videographers and owner operator small commercial DOPs.
The Komodo is a crash-Cam intended for FPV and tight spaces in studio environments.
That may have been the design intention, but I’ll raise you the Alexa Mini, which was designed with the same purpose, and then people were like “oh wait, let’s rig this and use it as an A cam”. Some (very very few people) people are bold enough to use the Blackmagic Micro Cinema as a rigged out A cam. Never discount a camera’s use case based on its “intended design”!
Thank you just thank you
Always here for the sensible take 🫡
If you never been on a film production then you won't understand the difference in canon and red. there is a reason you don't see c70 as cash cams. I never see any one call something a arri killer. but the c80 have much more to offer so why dose this cost 5500 and the arri is 100-200k? you won't know until you on set and you see the image. that when you say oh I get it.
Comparing any camera to an Arri is silly.
You’re right, the C80 is not a KX killer. The C400 is 😉
You are the best.
You’re a big part of what made it happen 🫡
it is a burano competitor and a fx6 killer
first like first view 🤓🤓🤓🤓 but based on what you do, If you had to pick one of these cameras, would you buy the c80 or the komodo?
Mmmm probably the Komodo for me simply off the flexibility of R3D
Why isn't anyone mentioning the C400 anymore?
Well at this stage in the game, you could say it’s because the C80 is doing 80% of its job, but in a more awkward body…I think though, if you look at the trend of **most** of Canon’s cinema offerings, they make a big initial splash, but then fall off the map as they still end up not fully certain niches or needs.
@@FireFaceFilms Yes I agree with you on that last point but the improved autofocus and improved digital in camera stablization alone should get canon users more excited about the C400 then the reduced price of the Komodo X. Canon's sabatoge of the C80 with the lack of the CF express B card slot as well as the 30 fps limit on 6K is not going to convince a lot of C70 users to upgrade. The C500 mk ii has an amazing image and if the C400 comes anywhere near it, then we will have a canon camera that rivals the RED Komodo
@@hawaiifreespeechnews I bought one. Love it, Canon won’t make the public awareness rounds like Red, Arri, Sony… but a lot of shooters love and use Canon cine cams all the time - just without the press. C400 is a very nice upgrade from my former c70, and I went with it over the 80 because I outgrew the c70 and needed a larger body with more set versatility.
But the C400 is? 🙂
I would still say no. Yes, the C400 has more robust raw options and a comprehensive button layout, but it’s still missing things like varied exposure tools, global shutter, and anamorphic support. All of which are ideal for cinema workflows
Not a single syllable about image quality. Well, that’s 10 minutes I’ll never get back. Serves me right for clicking on a video where the guy has his toys in the background. 🤦♂️
Why fret about image quality when we all know that camera image quality is a game of diminishing returns unless you’re ARRI or don’t know what you’re doing? We know we can make great images with any camera, this is simply a matter of what camera works for what workflow 😃
@@FireFaceFilms If you don't think image is an issue I guess you need to find all sorts of other reasons to justify what you spent on the komodo and all the extras just to get it into a usable state. Red makes good cameras but overpriced IMO.
I more mean that image *isn’t* the most important thing to consider when picking a camera. Spending money on extras and rigging will vary wildly depending on the job. If I’m honest, I could spend a fraction of the money on any of the cameras discussed here and get a Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K or Pyxis with appropriate rigging and get an image that I know I’d like more than what comes out of the C80.
@@csound55 You are wasting your time. The dude has toys on his desk. When he talks about spending money, he’s talking about his parent’s money.
@@matthewmaccarthy8542weird assumptions to make about a person you don't know but ok... and you seem very secure in your masculinity. It's a fucking tranformers lego dude. I've seen many adults that enjoy much more childish things, such as leaving rude comments on a small creator's video rather than having constructive, thought provoking discussion 🤷🏼♀️
youre just scared bruh