I like how Luke colour coordinated his polo shirt with the blue and white in the room. Always be claiming he's not into consooming but secretly he loves it. I bet he has a Pinterest account he won't tell another soul about.
I think the best part of vim is you can literally use it as a basic text editor without anything fancy before you've learned anything fancy. I never understand how people can say they use nano bc vim is "too hard" or they "don't need" all the features of vim. If you just want to open vim, enter insert mode, type, exit insert mode and quit, you can do that. No motions, no macros, no complex keyboard shortcuts, but once you need something more advanced, its there waiting for you in the program you already use.
@@snacksy7754 Your comment only tells me that you don't know how vim works. If you know the software and don't like it, that is personal opinion. But if you don't know it and still trash on it, it is just dumb.
@@snacksy7754 "I had my text encoding settings wrong and made a mistake while using it. The editor must be garbage" I don't even know how that happened because I've never had foreign language characters not saved. Vim defaults to UTF-8 encoding, so either the file was written wrong by whatever you used on it before opening it with vim, or if it was made with vim you changed the default encoding. But it's vim's fault right?
@@davidkeys4284 yeah, I know. Memes aside, I've been using exclusively Vim for text editing for about 6 months now and it's just awesome. I use chords like ct; and df) and cj and dap quite often and it's so satisfying to see how the text change with just a few keystrokes. I'm glad I slowly started learning Vim a year ago thanks to Luke
I actually saw one of your vim videos and started using Linux in 2019 because of it. I'm a tech guy, but I think many lawyers would benefit from vim. If they only knew.
@@vo3474 Hello! I figure lawyers can work with text so they can use (.txt | .html | .xml) files for retrieving information and write .tex or the likes for formatting. No bloated text editors like MS Word (do you?). The benefits would be: fast search and replace of text (maybe the most obvious if you work with templates for e.g. contracts and it may be included in other editors, but in vim you can declare variables and do a lot more in this regard), macros for text formatting, it's light and extensible, if you use it with a window manager you can read text A that references text B while regex searching specific parts of texts B (this happens in every discipline, but I figure not many lawyers know either regex or vim). I do have to say that I'm an intermediate Linux user so my methods may not be optimal, but my increase in productivity was unimaginable for me just a year ago.
@@miguelbustamante5271 Law 2 Student here, I agree with everything in this comment, using Vim (and knowing how to use it) is sure to improve your paperwork efficiency
@@miguelbustamante5271 and for those who may not be familiar, when miguel says regex, he's referring to a powerful method of search text called "regular expressions".
I AM a lawyer and VIM, LaTex and git have made my life so much easier, holy shit. Though this only applies to little lawyers like myself who can't afford to outsource everything to a secretary via dictation. Trying to teach a secretary VIM and LaTex would be extremely funny, though.
Emacs with Evil unironically saved me from failing my history class in High School. Using org mode I literally became 700% more effective in essay writing.
After a year of Vim I can say it has been life changing. I used to be afraid of the terminal, now I live in it. More people need to experience how amazing this tool is.
Vim shapes the way you think. That's an argument I often have and people tells me, well it's because you don't have enough experience. Well the tool change the way you think
OpenBSD, Gentoo & Arch plus Vi / Vim makes you actually think about how to achieve your goals using a computer. Documentation is something a lot of people take for granted myself included. Sometimes I'll stop an think to myself of how much effort went into the documentation of something I'm doing.
Saw a James Powell Python talk where he was live coding with vim and tmux a few years ago. I installed linux for the first time just because I thought solarized vim + tmux looked cool -_- EDIT: Whoever is using LARBS without knowing vim is an absolute mad lad.
The Linux Command Line 2nd Edition by William Shotts is actually a great book. I've been using Linux for 20 years and I still found some value reading through it. I'd recommend it to anyone who actually wants to be more efficient on the command line and with vi.
After learning vim it led me down the path to learning regular expressions, since the search/replace uses regex. I seriously don't even know how i used to use a computer without knowing vim + regex
I felt that way when I learned LaTeX recently to do my school work. I'm not even advanced, I've overused vspace to nudge things around, specially around images and someone with knowledge will probably find that the LaTeX part of my document is, what I like to call, "concentrated stupidity". What I did notice is that I focused on what I was writing only. Admittedly that was bad for this case because the contents were boring AF. But that helped me make it far smoothly. I might have to take the time to learn (Neo)Vim sooner rather than later
Preach! Hate all these minimalists that use appropriate tools for their problems from a toolbox they assembled over years of experience, instead of just using an all-in-one solution for the masses. Like, how can you be so arrogant not to appreciate giant IDEs that any beginner can use without research, that come with tons of shiny features you neve use? Are they trying to imply I'm dumb with their choices????
Started to use Vim because I needed a good terminal based editor for remote server administration via ssh. Something more simple like nano could have done the job, but nano is just awkward. Never really wanted to understand or learn it. Once I understood how powerful Vim is, I adopted it also for desktop use.
It’s very weird, 3 months ago I was using VSCode on Windows, then I started learning vim... I don’t know what the fuck happened, but somehow I’m on Arch right now running a minimalist bspwm setup and using vim everywhere... and I fucking love it!
You posted this at the perfect time for me. Just graduated with a CS degree and am taking some time off before starting my job search to learn some new skills, and now learning vim is definitely on my agenda this summer. Will have to hop back into vimtutor later today and restart the learning process.
Vim actually saved me some time when we learned Git for one of my classes. Since the teacher was teaching to use the command line it for Git, it made no sense to not use Vim for it.
@@tahmidislamchowdhury7301 you are only talking that about evil mode because you don't know VIM well, there is so much more to Vim then what Evil Mode give you, i use both, i try really hard to make Emacs do all my Vim do.
i know this is pretty damn late, but you can make a language map that lets you use normal mode like you would with plain English keys! unfortunately they are annoying to write as it's a big list of letter pairs (like йq, цw, уe and so on)
I hated Vim when I first found it. Primarily because I couldn't get out of it. Once I understood the power of it, I use it for everything now. I'm an author, and I now use Vim to write my books in, as well as to code, write scripts, take notes, rename files, everything.
I first tried vim version 5.something under OS/2. Coming from DOS, I was a CLI fanatic anyway, and while OS/2's GUI was great I missed what a friend of mine called "that scary black screen." But I couldn't seem to wrap my head around modal editing. After I switched to Linux in 2006 or 2007, it took me a while to get used to the "everything is a file" idea and to translate what I already knew about DOS and OS/2 to the new way of thinking. A few years ago, I got it into my head that I had insufficient nerd cred and decided to learn vim in earnest. As you said repeatedly in this video, I kick myself for not learning it sooner. It would have taken me a week or so of effort in the late 1990s and I'd have had it all this time.
Not saying this to discount Vim but I think most people either ignore or underestimate how much can be done universally with just key combinations of shift, ctrl, home, end, and arrow keys, e.g. ctrl+arrow keys to skip words, shift+ctrl+arrow keys to select words, shift+end to select to end of a line, shift+down arrow to select whole lines. I have only superficially gotten into vim so maybe this still sounds inefficient, but is worth thinkin about
I use vim, and my productivity went up 200%. My only worry is that I'll get a job that requires I use something else and have to thrash for a year unlearning everything.
the only problem i have with vim is that i can't set right ro left and left to right texts at the same time. when i want to write in Persian i have to set rtl , but the English texts get messed up. the terminal fonts even the persian ones are not really good with rtl and arabic/persian texts too. also when i want to use vim keybindings i have to switch to english and then again switch back to my language and type(probably it would be solved by adding farsi flag when compiling vim but still the rtl and ltr problem and fonts are pain)
A famous programmer once said (Ritchie?) Something to the effect of: "the most important tool a programmer has is an effective code editor." VIM is that tool.
Waaaay back in ye olden times, I worked with someone who showed me what vi (yes vi... before vim) could do and I borrowed his how to use vi book and read it over the weekend. Then I went cold turkey from using textedit or whatever crapy editor to strictly vi. Yes the first few days was a bit frustrating but after a month, I was so glad I did it and yes, that decision even changed my life. Once I starting using vi, using sed was a piece of cake and then other *nix commands and piping commands became second nature. I even got to the point where I would filter lines while in vi thru *nix commands and Perl scripts which have saved me so many hours/months/years over the decades I've been vimming, not to mention avoiding carpal tunnel because I rarely use the mouse. I forget when I switched to vim and now nvim and starting using plugins, but it's been an amazing ride knowing how to exit vim, multiple ways even.
I just realised that its been a few months since I've been using vim and still all I know and use is a,s,c,w,i,v,r and leader. I still haven't looked much into comma,dot,parenthesis,etc. I don't even use the number multipliers yet.
4:46 everything described upto this point happened to me just by knowing FOSS, and msys. No vim involved. But yeah, now i am taking next step and have started using one of vim like TUI editors and am happy with it.
I adore vim, I use it in a daily basis, but I believe just yelling people to use vim whatsoever can make them scared. I'd prefer suggesting to use vim keymaps for IDE, text editor and whatnot. This way, you gave them some room to mess around themselves. Besides, as a programmer, debugging in IDEs has way better experience than modifying vim to work as a proper debugger.(although it is absolutely doable)
I think Vim keymaps for IDEs are good when you already know Vim and are suffering because of inefficient editing in IDEs, but not necessarily for learning it. They're always somewhat less vimish than Vim itself.
@@xGOKOPx The Vrapper plugin for Eclipse is pretty complete. I prefer using it over pure VIM, because VIM is better for text editing, but not for debugging, refactoring and other IDE tasks. So using Eclipse with VIM editing is pretty much the sweet spot for me.
@@deoxal7947 No. Debugging with a plugin debugger within your IDE is much, much faster than using two entirely separate programs. It's a convenience thing.
@@gayusschwulius8490 I meant as opposed to modifying Vim to do debugging. I'm not opposed to IDEs at all but between integrating the debugger with Vim or other text editor and just running the debugger from the terminal, I think I'd pick the latter.
I can write stories. I can play melty blood. I can browse the internet. That's most of my uses for my pc and vim does not seem to interact with any of this.
sports make you develop physically and have plenty of health benefits (if we're not talking about competitive sports, that can be quite unhealthy sometimes)
@@daark982 you perform better in more cerebral matters and are happier if you do sports or any kind of physical activity, humans were not supposed to sit in front of a computer for hours at a time, also being attractive is quite an obvious pro here. you would probably prefer a healthier and therefore more beautiful chick and same goes for how women perceive you
There is one potential annoyance of learning vim: this rabbit hole goes deep. I find myself constantly looking for any/better plugins to add vim key bindings to software I use frequently, and even the best plugins never seem to work the way I want them to. I find myself getting irritated that devs of proprietary software (looking at you, Total Commander) don't either add vim bindings themselves, or at the very least don't allow enough/proper extensibility to add proper bindings in a practical way (without using third-party tools like AutoHotKey).
Great video! That's exactly I am feeling now! I just learnt vim couple of days ago, now my vscode is vimmed, my chrome is vimmed, my roam research is vimmed, and I m searching more vim-like addons of different apps. It let you fully control your computer with only your keyboard, but it's feeling like a superpower to control your computer with your mind 😈. Fast and precise.
It did change my life, I understand way better computers at basic levels and now I'm able to see the GUI theater. Took me about 4 months, but now I understand even some shell things (zsh but from bash), LaTeX compilation and programs (mostly .py, but almost any language, it did open my mind to scripts and the "dot" files). Thanks to all the VIM community, I do think everybody should understand and use VIM before doing anything on a computer.
IMO you shouldn’t use Vim the editor unless you’re working in very large code bases where tagging slows your computer down. It’s definitely worth learning Vim motions though
Dude you are completely 100% right (thank you). Vim is love, vim is life. Vim is a learning experience. Vim is an iceberg with nothing over the waterline. Learn vim, you will be better for it.
my friend uses the intellij IDE for python and that shit literally takes 30 - 90 sec to just create the damn "project" and this is excluding launching the IDE
Yes, I want to learn a ton of commands I'll forget by going from using arrow keys to the input line to change editing mode going back to the file rather than just pressing two buttons to do the same things.
I know and use vi (not vim!), but Emacs is my main editor, and you definitely misunderstand it. The modes in Emacs imply mostly minor conveniences like syntax highlighting and perhaps a few additional commands here or there, they don't change the basic interaction with the editor or anything. Emacs too is entirely general, and 99% of what I do even with a major mode active is completely the same as in any other mode. As for the entire rest of the video, I agree apart from that I'd call it learning Unix, rather than learning Vim. I made the exact same discoveries (including using text-files for everything) back when I first started using Linux, and it was only a fair bit later that I learned vi.
Vim is the first step in understanding that interacting with a computer doesn’t have to be point and click and that sometimes the terminal or a command line interface is much better for the job. It can take you from grunting and clicking like bill gates wanted for you and actually starting to think when using software
@@folksurvival Zoomers don't have children because the oldest Zoomers are 20, so most of them are still in school or university. Millenials have no such excuse. But I agree, and I think Polybius wrote of a similar phenomenon among the decadent ancient Greeks shortly before their subjugation, whereby the Greeks would mostly have no children, sometimes one, and very rarely two, so that they could splash their wealth on indulging their increasingly depraved desires.
Yeah, I barely do any programming nowadays but I use vim mode (evil) in Emacs for editing org files (in which I do my writing and manage my stuff). Editing text without Vim sucks, and I am obliged to use WYSIWYG editors like Word weekly because of my supervisor in Uni, and it feels terrible. Not being able to use Vim feels like using the computer without being able to bend my elbows
@@irreadings also if you use something in the browser (e.g. google docs) you might want to look in to neovim embedding. I don't remember what it's called but I know Brodie Robertson did a video on it a while ago. Turns every text box to a vim buffer.
@@deniskhakimov I am so happy to have made the switch. Vim (neovim) is absolutely amazing. Stopped using other text editors (although I use "micro" intermittently). The ability to use modes like execute, visual, insert etc in vim, is so powerful. The learning curve is steep though. I often forget which "mode" I am in and am still getting my head around "visual" mode. That said, neovim config is fun with so many colorschemes to choose from. what about you ?
yup I'm one of the smooth brains had learning vim in my backlog for more than a year, yes I feel stupid for not jumping in ( actually started 6 months ago ) yes I did learn way more about config file that scared the life out me and yes starting to feel better in my terminal skills ( the code utils of Linux) not super good yet but getting there and not going to go back anytime soon
i still don't know what modifying text means, i use the computer as a bookshelf and a media player, can i use vim for that? Going to watch the vin diesel vid
Vim Diesel is back
Imao
Vim fapper
bruh, hahahahaha
Haha this is by far the best joke about Luke. And it's even cannon
lolll
Feeling better than others is what sold me to Vim.
But I don't know vim and I already feel better than everyone else, what should I do???
@Nahid Islam vim-plugin is cringe
@@GreyMatterPlatter u should learn vim, that way you will feel better than yourself
You're doing it the wrong way. Learn ed to ascend to the agora of gods.
@@GreyMatterPlatter realize that you can widen the gap!
I like how Luke colour coordinated his polo shirt with the blue and white in the room. Always be claiming he's not into consooming but secretly he loves it. I bet he has a Pinterest account he won't tell another soul about.
And he's obsessed with Paul Allan's new business card.
@@olmumail Let's see Paul Allen's vim config.
@@aeoliun good one xD
@@aeoliun I was drinking when I read that and almost spit it out.
Vim gets you used to the terminal
The terminal teaches you minimalism
Minimalism teaches you to live a simple life
Deep. and very true
Many IDEs have built in terminals.
@@henlofren7321 yes but they are crappy
@@MrVecheater very
Minimalism leads to suckless
Basically Vim is the gateway drug to the real computer world.
And Vim Diesel is your dealer.
Amen to that
I program exclusively by punching holes in plastic cards with my hole punch device.
goat comment
vim and terminal
I think the best part of vim is you can literally use it as a basic text editor without anything fancy before you've learned anything fancy. I never understand how people can say they use nano bc vim is "too hard" or they "don't need" all the features of vim. If you just want to open vim, enter insert mode, type, exit insert mode and quit, you can do that. No motions, no macros, no complex keyboard shortcuts, but once you need something more advanced, its there waiting for you in the program you already use.
Tried to do a simple edit on a file once. Saving the foreign letters didn't encode right. Accidentally deleted a line. Truly the better editor.
@@snacksy7754 Your comment only tells me that you don't know how vim works.
If you know the software and don't like it, that is personal opinion. But if you don't know it and still trash on it, it is just dumb.
@@snacksy7754 "I had my text encoding settings wrong and made a mistake while using it. The editor must be garbage" I don't even know how that happened because I've never had foreign language characters not saved. Vim defaults to UTF-8 encoding, so either the file was written wrong by whatever you used on it before opening it with vim, or if it was made with vim you changed the default encoding. But it's vim's fault right?
That's pretty much what I use vim for, editing config files or any kind of system file on the fly, I wonder why I was using nano years ago
@@zackinator1439 Thanks for making my day better! 😸
Yeah, I guess I have 10 minutes to spare to watch a Boomer rant how he's better at computers than me
You're welcome
It's not about being better than him, it's about being a better version of yourself.
@@davidkeys4284 yeah, I know. Memes aside, I've been using exclusively Vim for text editing for about 6 months now and it's just awesome.
I use chords like ct; and df) and cj and dap quite often and it's so satisfying to see how the text change with just a few keystrokes. I'm glad I slowly started learning Vim a year ago thanks to Luke
Watch it at 1.5 speed, like a proper Zoomer
@@pawekoaczynski4505It gets even better if you're able to touch type.
Must.... Consoom... More VIM CONTENT
vim diesel on the roll recently
"Learn vim!" - Plato
Actually it is from Socrates. Plato was just quoting Socrates.
“You will learn Vim and you will be happy”
WEF probably
Eat the Bugs, Live in the Container.
More like: "You will learn Instagram and you will be happy".
They don't like you using the computer for things they can't easily spy on.
Nope, I will learn Emacs and be sad
"You start being able to enjoy your world, you didn't know existed."
Very well said.
It has changed my life, indeed.
4 years of experience... I've never met a single fellow vim user at work
so what?
@I like my own comments. fuck off I use Arch with i3 btw
@nEOtheQ Then the devs haven't learned how to set up vim properly ;)
might be time to change company :)
?? Nobody goes to the server anymore?
I actually saw one of your vim videos and started using Linux in 2019 because of it. I'm a tech guy, but I think many lawyers would benefit from vim. If they only knew.
@@vo3474 Hello! I figure lawyers can work with text so they can use (.txt | .html | .xml) files for retrieving information and write .tex or the likes for formatting. No bloated text editors like MS Word (do you?).
The benefits would be: fast search and replace of text (maybe the most obvious if you work with templates for e.g. contracts and it may be included in other editors, but in vim you can declare variables and do a lot more in this regard), macros for text formatting, it's light and extensible, if you use it with a window manager you can read text A that references text B while regex searching specific parts of texts B (this happens in every discipline, but I figure not many lawyers know either regex or vim). I do have to say that I'm an intermediate Linux user so my methods may not be optimal, but my increase in productivity was unimaginable for me just a year ago.
@@miguelbustamante5271 Law 2 Student here, I agree with everything in this comment, using Vim (and knowing how to use it) is sure to improve your paperwork efficiency
@@miguelbustamante5271 and for those who may not be familiar, when miguel says regex, he's referring to a powerful method of search text called "regular expressions".
I AM a lawyer and VIM, LaTex and git have made my life so much easier, holy shit.
Though this only applies to little lawyers like myself who can't afford to outsource everything to a secretary via dictation. Trying to teach a secretary VIM and LaTex would be extremely funny, though.
I like using vim in my GNU/Emacs operating system.
This is the true chad comment. You my friend are a true man of culture
This is the way
Emacs with Evil unironically saved me from failing my history class in High School. Using org mode I literally became 700% more effective in essay writing.
The legend
After a year of Vim I can say it has been life changing. I used to be afraid of the terminal, now I live in it. More people need to experience how amazing this tool is.
"Boomer advertises his 1 hr video for 9½ minutes"
I'm sold, however you never mentioned hm is monthly subscription? I can't find it in the Adobe cloud store...
You have to register and upload your DNA sequence to see it in the list of choices.
@@knucklehead99-z1w So now I have to scrape DNA samples from my keyboard?
@@nonconsensualopinion That’s adobe for you
Vim shapes the way you think.
That's an argument I often have and people tells me, well it's because you don't have enough experience.
Well the tool change the way you think
OpenBSD, Gentoo & Arch plus Vi / Vim makes you actually think about how to achieve your goals using a computer. Documentation is something a lot of people take for granted myself included. Sometimes I'll stop an think to myself of how much effort went into the documentation of something I'm doing.
@@folksurvival I can't speak for FreeBSD, only installed it twice in a VM for a Linux class.
i literally just cant talk to non-vim users anymore, its like no matter how hard i try the wont understand me :wq
ZZ
iDon't you mean: "iI literally [...] me:wq"? ZZ
Saw a James Powell Python talk where he was live coding with vim and tmux a few years ago. I installed linux for the first time just because I thought solarized vim + tmux looked cool -_- EDIT: Whoever is using LARBS without knowing vim is an absolute mad lad.
The Linux Command Line 2nd Edition by William Shotts is actually a great book. I've been using Linux for 20 years and I still found some value reading through it. I'd recommend it to anyone who actually wants to be more efficient on the command line and with vi.
moving the cursor to the beginning of the line and end is what convinced me to use vim.
Vim will convince you everything needs to load instantly and be driven by single keystroke commands that can be strung together.
Local man has a text editor addiction
Yes, I'm watching this vim video while using vim key bindings in my brave browser. How did you notice?
Same here.
After learning vim it led me down the path to learning regular expressions, since the search/replace uses regex. I seriously don't even know how i used to use a computer without knowing vim + regex
It just feels so nice to not hear you rant and actually learn from you like old days. Keep it on Vim Diesel.
Kinda wish I learned vim in kindergarten.
I felt that way when I learned LaTeX recently to do my school work. I'm not even advanced, I've overused vspace to nudge things around, specially around images and someone with knowledge will probably find that the LaTeX part of my document is, what I like to call, "concentrated stupidity". What I did notice is that I focused on what I was writing only. Admittedly that was bad for this case because the contents were boring AF. But that helped me make it far smoothly. I might have to take the time to learn (Neo)Vim sooner rather than later
I don't like Vim, because it’s not based on Electron. Unlike Visoyal Studio Code, which is so modern and backed by a huge corporation.
Preach! Hate all these minimalists that use appropriate tools for their problems from a toolbox they assembled over years of experience, instead of just using an all-in-one solution for the masses. Like, how can you be so arrogant not to appreciate giant IDEs that any beginner can use without research, that come with tons of shiny features you neve use? Are they trying to imply I'm dumb with their choices????
@@bratezoran2102 It's ok to use an IDE. But VS Code isn’t an IDE.
@@elclippo4182 better than closed source intellij at least imo...
Started to use Vim because I needed a good terminal based editor for remote server administration via ssh. Something more simple like nano could have done the job, but nano is just awkward. Never really wanted to understand or learn it. Once I understood how powerful Vim is, I adopted it also for desktop use.
Vim is one of my favorite plug ins for Emacs
I use Wine's notepad text editor thing
I’m calling the cops
I used to use notepad and nano, learning vim made me grow 2 inches!
Feeling this right now. Growing pains
What grew 2 inches
So many excellent and absolutely accurate points about Vim. The ancillary things you learn while learning Vim are truly life changing.
I'm not even good at vim and it's saved me a lifetime already. Thank you for showing me the light however many years ago, Luke seriously
It’s very weird, 3 months ago I was using VSCode on Windows, then I started learning vim... I don’t know what the fuck happened, but somehow I’m on Arch right now running a minimalist bspwm setup and using vim everywhere... and I fucking love it!
You posted this at the perfect time for me. Just graduated with a CS degree and am taking some time off before starting my job search to learn some new skills, and now learning vim is definitely on my agenda this summer. Will have to hop back into vimtutor later today and restart the learning process.
Vim actually saved me some time when we learned Git for one of my classes. Since the teacher was teaching to use the command line it for Git, it made no sense to not use Vim for it.
Vim can make ALL your wildest dreams come true!! :D
vIM CAN MAKE all YOUR WILDEST DREAMS COME TRUE!! :d
":D"? What command is that?
My hair has never been thicker!!
Luke Smith hates Emacs so much he keeps making Vim videos lately.
because Emacs is not as good editor a Vim, that is just a fact, but Emacs is a OS.
@@voidspawn2351 you can do everything that you can do with vim in emacs evil mode, that's why i still watch Luke's vim videos
@@tahmidislamchowdhury7301 you are only talking that about evil mode because you don't know VIM well, there is so much more to Vim then what Evil Mode give you, i use both, i try really hard to make Emacs do all my Vim do.
"books are lame"-person who transcribes books in Latex and doesn't even read it while doing so...
Another thing about Vim that deters me a bit is inconvenience of editing when you have to switch between several keyboard layouts.
i know this is pretty damn late, but you can make a language map that lets you use normal mode like you would with plain English keys! unfortunately they are annoying to write as it's a big list of letter pairs (like йq, цw, уe and so on)
I hated Vim when I first found it. Primarily because I couldn't get out of it.
Once I understood the power of it, I use it for everything now. I'm an author, and I now use Vim to write my books in, as well as to code, write scripts, take notes, rename files, everything.
I first tried vim version 5.something under OS/2. Coming from DOS, I was a CLI fanatic anyway, and while OS/2's GUI was great I missed what a friend of mine called "that scary black screen." But I couldn't seem to wrap my head around modal editing.
After I switched to Linux in 2006 or 2007, it took me a while to get used to the "everything is a file" idea and to translate what I already knew about DOS and OS/2 to the new way of thinking. A few years ago, I got it into my head that I had insufficient nerd cred and decided to learn vim in earnest.
As you said repeatedly in this video, I kick myself for not learning it sooner. It would have taken me a week or so of effort in the late 1990s and I'd have had it all this time.
Not saying this to discount Vim but I think most people either ignore or underestimate how much can be done universally with just key combinations of shift, ctrl, home, end, and arrow keys, e.g. ctrl+arrow keys to skip words, shift+ctrl+arrow keys to select words, shift+end to select to end of a line, shift+down arrow to select whole lines. I have only superficially gotten into vim so maybe this still sounds inefficient, but is worth thinkin about
I use vim, and my productivity went up 200%. My only worry is that I'll get a job that requires I use something else and have to thrash for a year unlearning everything.
luckily, most IDEs have vim plugins.
also, you can secretly run vim in the background and use it when people aren't looking. (;
Strongly recommend "Practical Vim" book, many productivity tips there.
When I see my classmates using vscode, notepadd++ ..etc, I feel superior
the only problem i have with vim is that i can't set right ro left and left to right texts at the same time. when i want to write in Persian i have to set rtl , but the English texts get messed up. the terminal fonts even the persian ones are not really good with rtl and arabic/persian texts too. also when i want to use vim keybindings i have to switch to english and then again switch back to my language and type(probably it would be solved by adding farsi flag when compiling vim but still the rtl and ltr problem and fonts are pain)
A famous programmer once said (Ritchie?) Something to the effect of: "the most important tool a programmer has is an effective code editor." VIM is that tool.
Waaaay back in ye olden times, I worked with someone who showed me what vi (yes vi... before vim) could do and I borrowed his how to use vi book and read it over the weekend. Then I went cold turkey from using textedit or whatever crapy editor to strictly vi. Yes the first few days was a bit frustrating but after a month, I was so glad I did it and yes, that decision even changed my life.
Once I starting using vi, using sed was a piece of cake and then other *nix commands and piping commands became second nature. I even got to the point where I would filter lines while in vi thru *nix commands and Perl scripts which have saved me so many hours/months/years over the decades I've been vimming, not to mention avoiding carpal tunnel because I rarely use the mouse. I forget when I switched to vim and now nvim and starting using plugins, but it's been an amazing ride knowing how to exit vim, multiple ways even.
Does Vim work on TempleOS?
I just realised that its been a few months since I've been using vim and still all I know and use is a,s,c,w,i,v,r and leader. I still haven't looked much into comma,dot,parenthesis,etc. I don't even use the number multipliers yet.
I had a good reply but the algo gonna trash it for reasons.
`vimtutor` will get you there.
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4:46 everything described upto this point happened to me just by knowing FOSS, and msys. No vim involved. But yeah, now i am taking next step and have started using one of vim like TUI editors and am happy with it.
Vim is the dark souls of text editors
I adore vim, I use it in a daily basis, but I believe just yelling people to use vim whatsoever can make them scared.
I'd prefer suggesting to use vim keymaps for IDE, text editor and whatnot.
This way, you gave them some room to mess around themselves.
Besides, as a programmer, debugging in IDEs has way better experience than modifying vim to work as a proper debugger.(although it is absolutely doable)
I think Vim keymaps for IDEs are good when you already know Vim and are suffering because of inefficient editing in IDEs, but not necessarily for learning it. They're always somewhat less vimish than Vim itself.
Shouldn't a debugger be a standalone program instead of a plugin?
@@xGOKOPx The Vrapper plugin for Eclipse is pretty complete. I prefer using it over pure VIM, because VIM is better for text editing, but not for debugging, refactoring and other IDE tasks. So using Eclipse with VIM editing is pretty much the sweet spot for me.
@@deoxal7947 No. Debugging with a plugin debugger within your IDE is much, much faster than using two entirely separate programs. It's a convenience thing.
@@gayusschwulius8490 I meant as opposed to modifying Vim to do debugging.
I'm not opposed to IDEs at all but between integrating the debugger with Vim or other text editor and just running the debugger from the terminal, I think I'd pick the latter.
I can write stories. I can play melty blood. I can browse the internet. That's most of my uses for my pc and vim does not seem to interact with any of this.
Vim users are tryhards. I program exclusively in microsoft word.
I print out the program and send it to the customer via mail.
Luke: Since video games are pointless/evil - can the same be said about sports because they are also a game? Genuinely interested. Thanks!
sports make you develop physically and have plenty of health benefits (if we're not talking about competitive sports, that can be quite unhealthy sometimes)
@@ss-oy3lq I suppose that may be true, but then the question is are physical attributes really what matter? Also, thanks for the reply kind sir
@I like my own comments. fuck off well youd be surprised (not me, but someone I know)
@@daark982 you perform better in more cerebral matters and are happier if you do sports or any kind of physical activity, humans were not supposed to sit in front of a computer for hours at a time, also being attractive is quite an obvious pro here. you would probably prefer a healthier and therefore more beautiful chick and same goes for how women perceive you
So I am installing Linux right now because the windows version of vim doesn't work with my windows-script for implementing the neo layout.
There is one potential annoyance of learning vim: this rabbit hole goes deep. I find myself constantly looking for any/better plugins to add vim key bindings to software I use frequently, and even the best plugins never seem to work the way I want them to. I find myself getting irritated that devs of proprietary software (looking at you, Total Commander) don't either add vim bindings themselves, or at the very least don't allow enough/proper extensibility to add proper bindings in a practical way (without using third-party tools like AutoHotKey).
I prefer emacs, but it is useful to know the basics of vim for when I'm stuck in a terminal.
Terminal emacs gives me a terminal aneurism
I'm the opposite. I use Vim but I prefer Emacs keybindings in the terminal.
Great video! That's exactly I am feeling now!
I just learnt vim couple of days ago, now my vscode is vimmed, my chrome is vimmed, my roam research is vimmed, and I m searching more vim-like addons of different apps. It let you fully control your computer with only your keyboard, but it's feeling like a superpower to control your computer with your mind 😈. Fast and precise.
It did change my life, I understand way better computers at basic levels and now I'm able to see the GUI theater. Took me about 4 months, but now I understand even some shell things (zsh but from bash), LaTeX compilation and programs (mostly .py, but almost any language, it did open my mind to scripts and the "dot" files). Thanks to all the VIM community, I do think everybody should understand and use VIM before doing anything on a computer.
In this new place called “The Internet”, might heard of it ;)
Once you learn vim, you can't use "normal" editors anymore
Like the passion you talk about vim :)
I cannot get used to "+d, "+y, "+p for copying, cutting, pasting...
no biggie, remap them
Is it like a Nintendo Power Glove?
IMO you shouldn’t use Vim the editor unless you’re working in very large code bases where tagging slows your computer down. It’s definitely worth learning Vim motions though
Dude you are completely 100% right (thank you). Vim is love, vim is life. Vim is a learning experience. Vim is an iceberg with nothing over the waterline. Learn vim, you will be better for it.
vim has lots of complexity with the sacrifice of friendliness
I started using your dot files to learn vim, the best way to learn something is doing it
I like your style my man! Hipster terminal here!
my friend uses the intellij IDE for python and that shit literally takes 30 - 90 sec to just create the damn "project" and this is excluding launching the IDE
That's because it is for projects.
If you still want to use it for short self contained programs, you can make one "miscellaneous" project.
Agree. I always look for vim binding on every thing
You didn't mention Vim plugins for IDEs (which I use). IDEs without proper Vim bindings support probably aren't anyone's favorite IDEs anyway
"you take the vim pill"*
Yes, I want to learn a ton of commands I'll forget by going from using arrow keys to the input line to change editing mode going back to the file rather than just pressing two buttons to do the same things.
I know and use vi (not vim!), but Emacs is my main editor, and you definitely misunderstand it. The modes in Emacs imply mostly minor conveniences like syntax highlighting and perhaps a few additional commands here or there, they don't change the basic interaction with the editor or anything. Emacs too is entirely general, and 99% of what I do even with a major mode active is completely the same as in any other mode.
As for the entire rest of the video, I agree apart from that I'd call it learning Unix, rather than learning Vim. I made the exact same discoveries (including using text-files for everything) back when I first started using Linux, and it was only a fair bit later that I learned vi.
Or you can just learn PowerShell and feel stupid for thinking that plain text is a superior format for anything.
Vim is so great that I had to bring over its keybindings to Emacs using evil-mode. I love both.
Is there another chapters of vimtutor with the secret shortcuts? Or how to learn them?
vim tutor is only for teaching you the very basics
:h quickref has alot of these shortcuts and commands
Bro spitting truths !!! 🎉🎉 Keep the good work!
Real Chads edit everything using echo and sed.
I use vim as my text editor for as long as it takes me to install emacs.
Bruh, have you ever tried the _Acme_ editor?
Vim is the first step in understanding that interacting with a computer doesn’t have to be point and click and that sometimes the terminal or a command line interface is much better for the job.
It can take you from grunting and clicking like bill gates wanted for you and actually starting to think when using software
@@folksurvival 99% of computer users have never opened a terminal at this point
@@folksurvival 1995 was 25 years ago. Children born then have their own children by now.
@@folksurvival Zoomers don't have children because the oldest Zoomers are 20, so most of them are still in school or university. Millenials have no such excuse. But I agree, and I think Polybius wrote of a similar phenomenon among the decadent ancient Greeks shortly before their subjugation, whereby the Greeks would mostly have no children, sometimes one, and very rarely two, so that they could splash their wealth on indulging their increasingly depraved desires.
"vim is for people who want a challenge, nano is for people who want to get things done" - K5DVT, Jon Williams.
Thank you Luke Smith.
hi Luke do u still use your thinkpads?
He said he uses MacBooks now.
@@hiddingclover damn. i have a mac air m1 its a beast but it feels like a toy compared to my x220
Yeah, I barely do any programming nowadays but I use vim mode (evil) in Emacs for editing org files (in which I do my writing and manage my stuff). Editing text without Vim sucks, and I am obliged to use WYSIWYG editors like Word weekly because of my supervisor in Uni, and it feels terrible.
Not being able to use Vim feels like using the computer without being able to bend my elbows
If you are able to get away with using LibreOffice there is a vim emulation extension.
@@ebon4265 hey! That's nice to know
@@irreadings also if you use something in the browser (e.g. google docs) you might want to look in to neovim embedding. I don't remember what it's called but I know Brodie Robertson did a video on it a while ago. Turns every text box to a vim buffer.
I am going to learn vim ( starting tomorrow) after watching this video. Thanks for making this video
So... how is your learning going? )
@@deniskhakimov I am so happy to have made the switch. Vim (neovim) is absolutely amazing. Stopped using other text editors (although I use "micro" intermittently). The ability to use modes like execute, visual, insert etc in vim, is so powerful. The learning curve is steep though. I often forget which "mode" I am in and am still getting my head around "visual" mode. That said, neovim config is fun with so many colorschemes to choose from. what about you ?
yup I'm one of the smooth brains had learning vim in my backlog for more than a year,
yes I feel stupid for not jumping in ( actually started 6 months ago )
yes I did learn way more about config file that scared the life out me
and yes starting to feel better in my terminal skills ( the code utils of Linux)
not super good yet but getting there and not going to go back anytime soon
But vim is not suckless. It is have config file which is not presented as code. Maybe every CLI is suckless like nano?
9:19 > _"vim has sort of bad discoverability"_
ahh glad u finally admitted.
i still don't know what modifying text means, i use the computer as a bookshelf and a media player, can i use vim for that? Going to watch the vin diesel vid
My C++ professor made us use it for our second semester, and I'm glad he did.
It just works.
I saw the light of vim, then ascended to the higher plane of kakoune.