I think at the end of the day Bungie just hasn’t always had a clear vision for what they wanted destiny 2 to be and it really does show when you play it at the high end. I’m just a long for the ride at this point.
If you have pushed through the game when it was infested by cheaters and a bad sandbox, im sure this is nothing lol. As stated, I really want to love the game again, but it just won't be possible any time soon
It has been a large part of an overarching curse of Bungie specifically making Destiny this mishmash hybrid of a lot of ideas that push a whole mess of buttons to get people hyped and give illusion of big potential to come but when Bungie was playing catchup with Activision split and D2 going overtime and the multi sequel plan thrown for a loop, they banked on nostalgia and further unfamiliarity of anyone new to enter the fold even harder than they did with D2's launch. It was way easier to coast on something that was safe than ever trying to make things more interesting. Hell there's probably more people who paid full MSRP for the 3 Fortnite skins than people who ever even dipped their toes in any sort of endgame and/or more challenging activity. I feel your pain with your point on Team Balancing because what constitutes as being "average" in Destiny 2 pvp must be an insanely low bar to clear and with the population probably being a bit rough, it just leads to these bizarro games that feel way too random or you feel obliged to have a sweater loadout on standby just to make it bearable.
Yep. Keep resetting your card while doing “carries” (This dude does recovs). I’ve had the most fun ever in trials recently using my last word and battle rifle, but sweats like you betrayed Bungie.
Regarding carry culture and content creator attitudes you displayed the change from villain to hero when rafflers win a free flawless so realistically perfectly
I personally have found refuge in Splatoon 3, of all things Its been too long since I’ve been able to go into a game, choose what weapon I want, and play Destiny somehow trained me to think grinding multiple hours for a gun with a serviceable roll was okay, I don’t necessarily miss that time
Yeah I’ve enjoyed watching your context while you played d2. I let go of the game after sbmm came around and my matchmaking was absolute garbage. I had about 5 clips of me going against stacked streamers and my teammates being absolutely horrible. My experience was just horrible and once I lost my 3.0 KD I realized that I didn’t find joy in the game. The lobbies were atrocious and there was so much cheese in the game I realized that my skill wasn’t even a factor in the game anymore. Titan bubbles to win rounds, Lorentz and sniper flinch not existing when my opponents were shooting me, it just drained me. I never had friends who were really good at the game and I always carried them, which was already hard because of my KD, but after the changes to quick play I didn’t even have a place to play casually. Thanks for the comment section to rant on lunarz I’ll definitely miss you
If your experience was frustrated because your kd went down with the sbmm. Imagine the experience of all the bots that you killed before, because of your excess of experience in the game and that they left it. definitely seeing people crying over their kd is very enjoyable.
@@erickvcrz I wonder why everybody that hates on anti sbmm players are so bitter & negative. You enjoy someone else having a bad experience in pvp? When matching a lot of higher KD players the game is too much of a job vs just having fun.
I'd say Im someone who's in the average to slightly above average skill bracket when it comes to SBMM. I don't often feel like if I play solo however, that my teammates are playing at my level. It's not a fun experience and unless I have 2 or more friends Control Crucible just isn't fun anymore. I want to like the game, but the game isn't respecting my investment with the time and $ I put into it. Glad to see Eververse doing well, nice that PVE gets refreshes each season and substantial content. PVP gets crumbs while the other modes eat good. Enjoy Shatterline, Lunarz. Always appreciate your takes and I hope maybe one day we'll see some good PVP again. I doubt it, but one can dream.
D1 Veteran player here. 7k+ hours and 200k+ cruicible kills in D2 with about 3 ka/d. I too have given up hope on the game. I played through all of D2. Payed for the game. Payed for every expansion. Payed for every season pass since it got introduced. I’m done. All I cared for was PvP, and time and time again Bungie has let us down. We’ve suffered through Wardcliff with 2-3 shots, Mountaintop, Recluse, Revoker, One Eyed Mask, 3rd peaking, cheaters, Lord of Wolves, Removal of maps, Stasis, Void invis, Solar healing, Lorely Splender, Le Monarque, Lorentz Driver, Dead Messenger, Chaperone, Fusion Rifles, Slide Nerf, In Air Accuracy nerf, and just the unrewarding system in general, the list goes on. SBMM and the suspention penalty on a casual playlist really was the last bullet. The final blow. I haven’t ignored the game this much since Curse of Osiris.
@@Xemozazk you’re not wrong. I guess we are ‘suprised’ because of the promises made, the negative changes that were unasked for and the simple fixes to outliers that never got adressed. I’m confident if Bungie listened to the suggestions of just ONE Top 5% PvP player (aka not a casual and someone that knows PvP in-and-out and is here to stay) he would be requesting the same balance changes as a Top 1% players. They’re just that universally noticable and agreed upon that fixing PvP has been within a hand reach for years. I guess that’s why hope still remained.
i picked up shatterline after i saw you talking about it on twitter and i honestly cannot thank you enough its been so much fun and once i saw that slide nerf and subsequent reversal i really feel confident that the devs are on top of the feedback. always loved your destiny content, but its important to know when your time isn't being valued and i respect that.
actual man i saw some people from d2 play it but didnt download it until some friends tried it out, and its just so fun to play, my only issue personally is no reload cancel and snipers just being a one shot and just not to the head. I tried playing some elim/freelance comp the the past couple days but just stopped cause it was shit connections and unfun gameplay. Cant wait for shatterlines full release
@@Crimscn oh yeah i havent bothered played destiny pvp at all this season because im really not interested in being cheesed out of every lobby im in lmao i honestly kind of like that snipers can one shot body but thats definitely a preferential thing so i understand
@@abyuse yeah haha tbh the one shot snipes mainly just annoy me in escort cause once i started playing people with tier 3 shit it got annoying real fast, but ike when i got to tier 3 i just cant use them, the sway on them is just something i cant predict so now whenever i die to a snipe im kinda impressed to degree if you know what i mean
I used to complain about the fact we don’t get new maps, and Bungie doesn’t care about PvP. I have since changed my tune lol. Revert things back to 30th Anniversary and I swear to God I’ll never bitch about it again lol. If this is them caring about PvP I don’t want it.
Great vid, hopefully other D2 pvp hostages will realize that they're just playing the game for what it could be and with Bungie's track record, that potential will never be reached
I fucking love destiny, it was the first shooter I played, first game I ever really took seriously, and I would like to say I have made alot of progress improving and getting better at the game. I started out as a 0.1kd player I now can play at around a 1.6 in trials. I have put 1000s of hours into this game over the last few years and I want the game to be something it's not. You summed up exactly what I want changed into one video. Thank you! I hope that one day Bungie does something absolutely massive to PvP as a whole to make it better, something as big as making a separate "destiny PvP" game with balanced versions of all the weapon arcatypes and abilities. I really really like the gunplay and kill times and nature of destiny PvP gameplay, but Bungie just keeps doing things that make me want to find a different game. I find it very difficult to move on to annother game because it feels as if I am essentially deleting all the 1000s of hours of progress I have made on become better. Bad feeling Bungie. When I play a game I don't play just for fun, I play to become the best at the game I can. So it is very hard for me to move on to annother game. Thanks for reading.
@@Xezthos they have sbmm in ranked and not rank based match making and no way to flex your rank so kinda feels bad moment 😑 all they did was basically rename the ranks
@@1999driftwood the current sandbox is alot better, but they continue to neglect PvP with a terrible comp rework, where I'm not kidding all they did was add rose back and rename the ranks. Bungies servers are also 10+ years old which doesn't help. Honestly I would only recommend getting into PvP if you really enjoy it for what it is and not what it could be
@@ClapXIV appreciate it, imma just stick with PvE and do some bounties for the pinnacles then with PvP. Was thinking about trying trials and iron banner, I’ll give it a shot
I am with you 💯. I been playing destiny for 8 years. It sad to see it this way. I am enjoying playing grounded more right now, just not in the mood to play Destiny. I hope things do turn out for it.
Surely when Bungie said they're reworking comp next season, they mean they're gonna add strict ranking systems with rewards, remove primary flinch, move special ammo to heavy, reduce ability regen, and make it objective based.
you literally hit on every point i had man great video. glad you’re enjoying shatterline it is actually so fun! now that overwatch 2 is out i’m gonna be grinding that instead of destiny. in overwatch you can shoot in the air and i have a rank to show my skill unlike destiny. i love destiny so much but it feels like they aren’t even trying man. change after change, in air accuracy, sliding nerfs, skill based in control, AND CARRY CULTURE. you’re one of the few people who touches on the issue.
I don't blame you for stepping out of d2. I also took a break when arc 3.0 came along. Currently, I'm in this weird middle stage of my dislikes outweighing my enjoyment for the game. 6s is basically comp with more cheese, lobby balance, and quitter penalty, so I'm forced to play comp and trials to get guns that will just collect dust in the vault. I love d2, but the current sandbox either aggravates me or makes me fall asleep depending on what the current cheese build or stale loot is. Mic was fine btw and I hope you spice up shatterline with these dope videos like you did in d2 lunarz!
I 100% agree with you, entitled players and carry culture have ruined this game. They try to say that people gatekeep them from activities (going to the lighthouse, raids, etc), when in reality they just dont want to put any effort and just want to be carried. Most people in the community are just like: "you are a moron for not explaining the raid to me", "you are a douche for not carrying me in trials".
Exactly. This for raids especially. So many times where my friends and I have gotten flak for no reason when they should've been a little more open about stuff. If you're not sure about something or want to learn a new role, no problem, we got you. We're more than happy to teach, but we're not door mats and *will not* carry.
Right on, also the leftist community and the "dedicated casuals" as I like to call them have been the cause of the pussyfication of D2; the Seasonal format, the Eververse plague, woke shit, mediocre and childish characters/storytelling, recycled d1 content, fake charity events, lack of actual mechanical skill/difficulty, lack of good and fun grinds, etc etc. D1 and even D2Y1 at leas had a soul, they weren't perfect but they tried to be fun games first and bullshit products second
Pretty much agree with everything stated, I quit playing d2 quite a while ago and have been waiting to see improvements in PvP before I go back, but at this rate, I don't see myself playing it much again. The light grind every season and the season rank grind forcing you to play specific pve activities to level up the pass quickly made me really lose interest in the game. The gameplay loop for the season pass content is too repetitive as well.
I feel we've been waiting for so long, the last season crucible felt really good for me was arrivals and now pvp is a waiting room for a better sandbox and good matches that never comes
I honestly just quit. For many reasons. And I went to Elden Ring - and Soulbourne games - etc. It's just not fun and I don't need to put myself through a game that genuinely gives me nothing. In return from trials.
I agreed with many of the things you said in this one. I too, abhor carry culture. It does feel transactional. Bungie really does not care about outliers, because the community at large rejected competitiveness on year 1 and DEMANDED special weapons to be introduced once again. I liked shotguns and snipers and fusions and whatnot on the power slot. What I didn't like was the movement speed being much slower, and no random rolls. Looking back, maybe that was actually necessary if we wanted a balanced PVP sandbox. Regarding SBMM, you already know my stance based on other comments on your videos. I want strict SBMM on everything regarding PVP, so we actually know we are winning because we were better than the opposition on a fair, hard match, not because of some cheese weapon or loadout. I do understand that comes at a cost of connection quality. I would also go as far as saying that, in competitive modes, which I hope the comp rework is going to be, SEVERAL exotics should be banned and energy regen should be severely hampered, so we can actually have gunfights again. With primaries. OR hell, even locked loadouts for the week, like the system would assign you a scout and an smg, and you could not unequip it. Or Hand cannon + sidearm, something like that. But people wouldn't like that, because how else could they crutch on lorentz or invis shotty? I've fought many people in comp, which much higher kds than me, that when they are out of special ammo and they actually have to fight me primary vs primary get destroyed. I see how they have that high kd, they literally use the secondary weapon as a primary weapon. That is asinine. Regarding trials and the flawless pool, I had strong feelings about that and why I believe flawless pool is necessary, and most of it is because of carry culture, but to your point in one of your other videos, I don't really play it anymore, so I won't complain one way or the other. The "trials people" won. I will never play it again, so I'll stop making suggestions about it. Regarding light level, I hate it. It makes no sense doing boring things to make number go up, just so EVENTUALLY, I can play the content I like. And yes, Splicer was awesome. I like this season's ketchcrash activity, but expedition is atrocious. We should just have ketchcrash, and the weekly drip fed story content is boring. Let me play the campaign. If I want to play it all in one weekend, let me do that. I won't leave the game. It just means that if I'm done with the seasonal story, I get to focus on what I like, like dungeons, GM nightfalls, raids, some PVP when we don't have a full raid team. Don't drip feed me that stuff. I won't be going anywhere. Maybe that's the problem, people should leave the game.
Not much of a PvP guy but I do watch your stream from time to time. Having come to destiny from other shooters, even after being here 3 years, I still find the developer embraced carry culture really strange.
I've played a lot of Destiny in my days and I've reached the tipping point. I may have taken cut backs from time to time with my playtime involved but I'm to a point where I don't want to play the game because of multiple issues. Whether it be because of the sandbox, lack of content or the fact the fun factor just is not there anymore and it's all intertwined. From season handouts like exotics and poor content that feels like a real lack of effort was put into it. I feel as if there isn't much left for Destiny to offer if they keep recycling content and leaving certain parts of the game unhealthy for extended periods of time. There's just too much conflict within' the company to have a straight forward direction in what they want and it comes at the cost of players and I hate to say that I'm done being a sheep, because that's ultimately what I feel like at the end of the day and it's a real shame because everyone knows Destiny has so much potential but some how, some way they always don't meet the mark. Until I see and hear absolutely great things about the game, I'll be enjoying my time elsewhere. Whether that be another video game or not. Just my side of the story and views on it!
Before the map-weighting fix I remember loading onto Disjunction, leaving because I don't like that map, getting timed-out for 15 mins, queing up again after, loading into Disjunction against a 6-stack, leaving because that would've been terrible, then getting timed-out for another 15 mins. Great system they got over there in Control...I just might end up trying Rumble again for the first time since like D1Y1 to avoid some BS.
I normally make long, drawn out explanations as to why I dislike the game, but at this point I’ve stopped caring. Destiny is dumb af, the game has gotten so boring and watered down and after thousands upon thousands of hours in pvp, I’ve finally lost interest in d2, not d1 I’ll go back and have fun, but d2 is just not fun.
7:02 thank fucking god someone else thinks the same. 1 tap to the head, 2 to the body just like heavy LFRs. Id even go as far to say bows (specifically le monarque) are special weapons in the primary slot.
Agreed with everything you said. I used to heavily play pvp only. Not I heavily play PVE cause crucible is really terrible. Linear and sniping through flinch is ridiculous. They’ll hit headshots but when you use it, your aim is flinched through the roof. Can’t complain to many time where I think they have 100 resilience to shoot through flinch but they have 20-40 resilience with no targeting and unflinching mods. Map rotations are terrible. My cousin and I played pvp and we literally had eternity, widows court, the map on dreadnaught and disjunction back to back. Can’t leave the game cause we’ll get banned. Those maps are terrible. Most importantly, hackers and bad internet connections. I understand no one can control where they connect but holy shit, don’t give us people who are in the UK, Japan and etc that’ll lag all over the place. Hackers are terrible to the game. Never seen people have 100% air accuracy by jumping with linear, fusions and snipers. Also, people using zen and shit too. I’m not bad at crucible. 1.8kd. Crucible literally went downhill.
Been playing more games than Destiny 2 more recently, and in general, I've spent less time playing games overall for the past few weeks, partially because I'm busy with college (I always do my work a few days to a week early though, so idk how much that actually means anything). Shatterline looks promising (I actually saw that while scrolling down the Steam games store myself, and decided to give it a try), and the same goes for First Descendant. For the most part, I've become pretty much an almost all fighting games player. Smash, Guilty Gear Strive, Rivals of Aether, etc. I sometimes still go on Destiny to farm or play a tiny bit of PvP, but I've kinda just moved on from the game apart from that.
I would definitely watch your videos from other shooters like shatterline. Your gameplay is clean and commentary is real with no sugar coating shit i hope to see more content destiny or not
Even though I enjoyed PvE, it was majorly because I knew I could take what I got into PvP and have a decent level of fun. Lately PvP isn't rewarding at all, the sandbox is total garbage and no matter how much work I put in with an "honest" setup, it's never enough to beat the guy slide challenging me with invis and either a fusion of a linear. Bungie listens to people who don't know what they want, I don't even know why. It's like the sandbox team has a minimal understanding of their area of expertise, or their Dev tools are so bad that they can't make the right changes. Idk :| I'll try shatterline when it comes out on console, looks decent, and hopefully scratches the same itch Crucible used to.
I'm surprised you didn't mention this, but you probably didn't see it. However, someone made a Reddit post of how Bungie is intentionally making PvP really bad, but when Lightfall comes out there will be sweeping changes and it'll be saved. I'll try to find the link as it is pretty detailed.
that doesn’t make sense. why would they intentionally make pvp bad if they know it’ll cause less people to play. and where did you see this reddit post?
I agree with 100% of what you said... This philosophy of everyone deserves everything and lets make everything easy for everyone is just whats wrong with society in general...participation medals for every single person... oh you suck at the game? here go flawless... oh u suck even more? oh here get adapt weapons... different pools and different ques... its so obvious that they do everything in their power to help the players that are bad get loot that is supposed to be for the better player... as you said equal outcome instead of equal opportunity, this also comes from the fact that as PVP players bungie devs seem to be average themselves (nothing wrong with that btw) which can be proved by all the decisions they make with all these broken exotics and abilities they implement in the game, there is NO WAY IN HELL... a high skill player tests a GLAIVE or OMNI + LOW or ARBALEST/LORENTZ or SHATTERDIVE and many many other things and goes oh ya this is fine.... the only way this happens is if you give these tools to low skill players and since they cant make it work they feel like ya this is fine... about carries, I do carries all the time, let me explain why, I always need a goal to chase... thats just how my brain works :D so I motivate myself by helping other people get flawless (obviously for free) and this way i can see them be super happy and make it more challenging for myself as well... THAT SAID... Bungie does a horrible job and giving good players something to chase... I can go flawless whenever at this point and to be honest I have everything I need from flawless... I dont farm KD... i Dont give a shit about KD to be honest cause anyone can artificially have a High KD, but i truly enjoy helping others get to the lighthouse BUT if me and my friends had something to chase like - 300 flawlesses per season = ornament set or special emblem... yes i would love to just chat and chill and play with friends against sweaty teams. and finally Im also switching to another game soon so ya... sux but this game just isnt it anymore when it comes to pvp... CHEESE + CRINGE = WIN instead of Movement aim and gamesense
@@mynameis6204 I never said i HATE CARRIES... and im not gonna be sorry for enjoying helping people to get their loot and enjoy the liggthouse for the first time:) i dont run stacked and farm kd... i do double carries with 0.5-0.8 players and i love hearing them being happy, thats all it is
For me, outliers are such a big problem. Dealing with a player who is crutching something but is clearly worse is so stupid. It’s why rumble is horrible. There’s one guy running a fusion and just instantly wins without firing a primary shot. I’d be fine with SBMM if everyone I’m playing isn’t using pulses and scouts which are so dumb cuz they just sit in the back and it’s so boring. It makes using handcannons impossible. I hit three headshots in a row with a 140, and they can just turn around two burst me. All pulses are just too powerful, but especially high impact frames and rapid fire frames
I know this is literally the tiniest most nitpicky comment possible but the country is just "Ukraine", saying "The Ukraine" is a Soviet era thing, and they changed it to remove "The" when they declared independence from the USSR. I'm definitely going to check out Shatterline though, I'm also looking for something to replace Destiny. Love the content, keen to see what comes out of the pipeline in the future, if it does
All I do in this game is play PvP because I don't have the time to invest into learning PvE. I don't want to continuously work towards loot I'm not going to use as I only use literally less than 20 guns. My incentive to play is to have fun and it's now punishable when you aren't, maybe a new game is needed for me too.
giving my thanks for letting me find out about Shatterline. I've been searching for a proper pvp for a really long while that respects and honors the dedicated players and seeing what they are doing with shatterline, it suits me pretty well. And yeah about Destiny PVP, I mainly feel that the community despises and hates anyone that puts effort into the game to be better. And Bungie decided to choose the casuals over the hardcore fans that stuck with them across all of these years. I've been playing Destiny for 7 straight years, I've stuck with the game with its ups and downs, but recently I honestly completely gave up. The fact that they added SBMM again is just distasteful, I played a match the other day where I took around 15 minutes to find a match, then the match was already in progress and we were getting stomped on, then the lag was unbearable (the amount of times I got shot behind cover, I dont even wanna talk about it), and somehow the match was tougher than any of my trials games. And guess what? I can't even leave that fucking match without eating a ban. Its literally prison. I've never heard of the game that gives time penalties for leaving a CASUAL GAMEMODE match. Bro people have lives that catch up to them, be it work, be it someone suddenly showing up, even for the people that live with their parents, their parents would be calling them all the time and what if they leave they get banned? To top it all off, Bungie's PVE Formula is getting repetitive, the grind is nonexistant as craftable weapons are literally removing all incentive to even get a randomly rolled weapon, the amount of money I put into the game (bro its literally a yearly subscription), and how Bungie is just gate keeping everything behind a paywall is extremely frustrating. I completely dropped playing Destiny like a week ago and I saw this video then, I gave shatterline a shot and honestly a breath of fresh air to see a game studio be passionate with developing a game. Anyway, aint pre-ordering or buying anything from Bungie until they prove that they care about their dedicated players, if not, well I found some other games that will fill in that spot. Anyways, cheers on the vid mate.
I guess I started at the peak of the best pvp Meta in destiny 2 - Season of the Lost. I didn’t know what Trials is as I was just enjoying the campaigns. After finishing those I discovered PVP and I had a lot of fun playing. I wanted to be good at PvP and as the seasons come and go, a whole lot of tinkering has been done. It didn’t feel like it used to be. I’m not a good pvper I’m just decent but the players I’m teamed up with isn’t on par with me nor that one guy who is sweating his balls off killing everyone. While my other teammates are just dying because they don’t know the meta. It’s so off balanced. SBMM is a great idea but Bungie’s implementation is the worst.
Man, it's nice to finally have someone with a brain and balls to say shit how it is I completely agree with everything you said, simple as that Bungie has to man up and cut the bullshit, decide what Destiny 2 is who it's made for; when you try to appease everyone you end up appeasing no one
Hard agree with all the points in this video. I see it happening and I just want this game to be good but all this game is turning into is an ability game. The only time PvE is fun is day 1 raids because normal raids are too easy and master is a joke. Endgame PvP is also a joke because most of the time its people spamming abilities, using shitty gimmicks, or sniping me through flinch. Its not a fun time and I just really want to see Bungie fix this somehow in lightfall and make another golden age for d2
I agree with you on this vid bro. It feels to me like Destiny 2 lost focus somewhere. The community also drives me away because of their toxicity and elitism. Glad to see you’re having fun with this new game and I hope you enjoy yourself in this game.
Players having issues with content creators, and not even just content creators(I've seen become more common lately), being good at the game, and wanting things changed to spite them, not because of any unbalance or gamebreaking issue, should not be taken lightly, but thats what bungie does. Love the video, and hope the game changes someday where I may see you streaming scrims again.
The biggest issue with carry culture is just demotivates bad players from getting good, lfging for trials just ends up with me just sweating just to win a round. Then getting added and being expected to do the same next week. I remember playing with an old friend and we just sat in private lobbies and he just straight shit on me for hours, teaching me different strats and skills and in retrospect i loved it. It's why I play the way i do.
This is why I am excited for Lightfall just for PvE. I've been playing a lot less PvP than usual. SBMM ruined everything. They even put it into ranked which I also never touched (also because Rift is there. Fuck Rift).
I feel the same and it's sad. Just looking for another game rn and play just a little destiny every now and then. Crucible it's just boring there's no incentive to play for hours like I used to.
To be fair, I haven't played much PvP and even D2 much cause I've been on both jobs along with my wonky sleep schedule. Better saying to say my peace even, imo.
As someone who almost exclusively plays Crucible, I’ve only noticed a problem with SBMM once or twice. Then again I’m the type of maniac who uses rain of fire and heat rises with sweet business so maybe my lobby balancing can’t handle my 5th dimensional intellect.
Couldn't agree more. Everything you've said in this video is true. All of my buddies have been quitting the game since WQ dropped and I dont blame any of them. PvP in this game is dieing and I dont see it ever being saved. I've been playing OW2 lately and im gonna try and make that my main game as I honestly don't wanna support Bungie anymore. Bungie doesn't care about players like me and thats fine. I'll just have to not care about them and their game. This game is for the streets now.
There's definitely a weird mix of gate keeping and on the other end carry culture in the community. An for pvp. The community probably will never know how to be mostly casual even in casual modes like control. At the same time there's not much of a reason to use off meta. Lot of the maps never felt like they fit 6v6. Light levels do annoy me in pve. Lot of the end game is based around having people to do the stuff with as it's a social game. I enjoyed the redrix quest for pvp. Give glory a quest for a reward similar to that and give ornaments for reaching the top. Then give a toggle to choose between sbmm/cbmm and a toggle to have freelance or standard. I miss 4v4 clash will this fix anything? Probably not. Burnt out myself Caster mode would be fun for vanguard ops/pvp/gambit Wish they would add more things similar to things like alters to other planets. Gambit - just give us more unique modes.
The resources are just not being put into what they consider one of their core game modes for some reason. I think I remember seeing them say somewhere they don't have a dedicated pvp team, it's just distributed amongst the entire team, there is no pvp lead that I am aware of. That in addition to server quality and extended periods of outlier equipment has made this game what it is today. I don't play nearly as much anymore, Friday nights I'd play pvp for 6-8 hours for years, now I get too frustrated after a few matches and just get off. Also fuck Lorentz and arbalest.
I like to hear you talk about the last thing you actually enjoyed. The pvp sandbox IS shit. The only reason I play this game is for end of day decompression but I enjoy playing against better players. And I enjoy the people I play with. Gg bro still love you videos
The fundamental issue here is that there are hundreds of thousands of Destiny players who take PvP a lot more seriously than BUNGiE does. This is remarkably ironic for a company whose previous franchise was almost solely responsible for the popularity of PvP on console. On the PvE side, it's become clear to me that Destiny is never, ever going to reach the concept's potential as long as its various features, release schedule and basic game loop are all being designed by Marketing and Finance wonks (and not the game designers, themselves). That started in early 2016 and hasn't let up since. Sad, but that's the direction the rest of the AAA game dev industry seems to be going. The priority is revenue generation, not providing entertainment value.
Long gone the days where they last "heard you loud and clear". I'm just hoping there's an actual Destiny killer that would make Bungie think twice about being complacent. Destiny is just being dominant now because they're the only ones who survived their ordeal and most of their competition either dying out (The Division) or killed themselves (Anthem).
I stan for your ideology for this game, everyone believes in the potential of destiny 2 pvp but the devs have ignored it for way too long. Everything feels stale and incentive to farm loot wears off after a while because the loop is so boring.
Maybe the guns in pvp should all be the same. We got generic 120,140,180 hand cannon. The white ones. Some generic shotguns, and sniper rifles. That would be easier to balance. Killing with power weapons just feels cheap btw.
Honestly, I'm not surprised that Bungie has braced this equal outcome mindset. They have always been proud that they champion woke culture and social justice. Equal opportunity isn't valued in that community, only equal outcomes. They actually seek to disadvantage those they view as privileged, and ruin their opportunity. It feels like these recent changes are in line with that same agenda. Skilled players are privileged, so they seek to disadvantage them, to provide better outcomes for lesser skilled players. (Slide nerf, AE, flawless pool, sbmm, HC nerfs, etc.)
you made a good choice, after i get flawless seal i will quit pvp to rn is so low quality (bad meta removing maps no good loot bad mm and in this season crucible is so laggy)
I feel the intro I’ve wanted to learn how to snipe but in control it’s a pain cause I suck and everyone is my level or above so I can’t even occasionally go up against a player lower skill than me. And the 5-6 stacks dont even
I’ve also taken a break from Destiny, they just don’t care and keep digging a hole for themselves just to appeal to a certain group, and it’s been hard to even enjoy the game, it’s chores everything week on Tuesday for power level to do nothing, pvp is just annoying I’ll hop on if I’m really feeling to “sweat” but it’s just not fun que times waiting for other “similar” skill just to have bad connection as well, but all respect to you Lunarz I’ve been tuning in when I can to streams and seeing the new games is cool, definitely will give them a try much love brother and keep it up 🖤🖤🖤
i really do feel the same way. Destiny wasn't it for a long while, and the day i first started playing shatterline was the day i uninstalled destiny. having an absolute blast slaying in that game.
I’be been playing Destiny since Forsaken… Back then experience was cool and refreshing. But now… Only meta wins. Yesterday auto rifles was the meta, today’s pulse rifles, and if I want to keep up with some kind of a good loot I am forced to play with meta guns. It became boring. I’m glad to see that not only I switched from Destiny to Shatterline) Hope to meet you on the battlefield)
@@loganmcdougall8647 true, true) But I sometimes it may be too tight, like only one weapon type performs. Just like No time to explain overwhelmingly used in trials.
I, as well, am ready to let this game go. It’s been fun with NF and old comp. PVP is lacking the fun it used to have… or perhaps we just grew up and got mature to realize how much of a time sink this game is.
I think at the end of the day Bungie just hasn’t always had a clear vision for what they wanted destiny 2 to be and it really does show when you play it at the high end. I’m just a long for the ride at this point.
If you have pushed through the game when it was infested by cheaters and a bad sandbox, im sure this is nothing lol. As stated, I really want to love the game again, but it just won't be possible any time soon
It has been a large part of an overarching curse of Bungie specifically making Destiny this mishmash hybrid of a lot of ideas that push a whole mess of buttons to get people hyped and give illusion of big potential to come but when Bungie was playing catchup with Activision split and D2 going overtime and the multi sequel plan thrown for a loop, they banked on nostalgia and further unfamiliarity of anyone new to enter the fold even harder than they did with D2's launch.
It was way easier to coast on something that was safe than ever trying to make things more interesting. Hell there's probably more people who paid full MSRP for the 3 Fortnite skins than people who ever even dipped their toes in any sort of endgame and/or more challenging activity.
I feel your pain with your point on Team Balancing because what constitutes as being "average" in Destiny 2 pvp must be an insanely low bar to clear and with the population probably being a bit rough, it just leads to these bizarro games that feel way too random or you feel obliged to have a sweater loadout on standby just to make it bearable.
Yep. Keep resetting your card while doing “carries” (This dude does recovs). I’ve had the most fun ever in trials recently using my last word and battle rifle, but sweats like you betrayed Bungie.
@@slinkywinky3688 are you talking about Diffizzle?
@@slinkywinky3688 dont be salty the guy can actually play the game and tries to help others be better 🗿
Regarding carry culture and content creator attitudes you displayed the change from villain to hero when rafflers win a free flawless so realistically perfectly
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Omg I found you in the wild
@@joshuabeck7838 thats my first reaction too
@@joshuabeck7838 🫡🫡🫡
I personally have found refuge in Splatoon 3, of all things
Its been too long since I’ve been able to go into a game, choose what weapon I want, and play
Destiny somehow trained me to think grinding multiple hours for a gun with a serviceable roll was okay, I don’t necessarily miss that time
Once the "Light for the Lost" triumph came about, carry culture won
Not just carry culture, recov culture too
Yeah I’ve enjoyed watching your context while you played d2. I let go of the game after sbmm came around and my matchmaking was absolute garbage. I had about 5 clips of me going against stacked streamers and my teammates being absolutely horrible. My experience was just horrible and once I lost my 3.0 KD I realized that I didn’t find joy in the game. The lobbies were atrocious and there was so much cheese in the game I realized that my skill wasn’t even a factor in the game anymore. Titan bubbles to win rounds, Lorentz and sniper flinch not existing when my opponents were shooting me, it just drained me. I never had friends who were really good at the game and I always carried them, which was already hard because of my KD, but after the changes to quick play I didn’t even have a place to play casually. Thanks for the comment section to rant on lunarz I’ll definitely miss you
Ohhhh no. NOT THE KD
Apart from that, it is frustrating
If your experience was frustrated because your kd went down with the sbmm. Imagine the experience of all the bots that you killed before, because of your excess of experience in the game and that they left it. definitely seeing people crying over their kd is very enjoyable.
@@erickvcrz I wonder why everybody that hates on anti sbmm players are so bitter & negative. You enjoy someone else having a bad experience in pvp? When matching a lot of higher KD players the game is too much of a job vs just having fun.
@@erickvcrz ur kd is bad because ur bad at the game not cheesy builds lmfao you guys have .7s no matter the meta
I can do decent 1 game in solo queue and then face a whole stacked sweat team. I think they should add a solo queue option
I'd say Im someone who's in the average to slightly above average skill bracket when it comes to SBMM. I don't often feel like if I play solo however, that my teammates are playing at my level. It's not a fun experience and unless I have 2 or more friends Control Crucible just isn't fun anymore.
I want to like the game, but the game isn't respecting my investment with the time and $ I put into it. Glad to see Eververse doing well, nice that PVE gets refreshes each season and substantial content. PVP gets crumbs while the other modes eat good. Enjoy Shatterline, Lunarz. Always appreciate your takes and I hope maybe one day we'll see some good PVP again. I doubt it, but one can dream.
If the game ever respect my time and actually values pvp players, then I might consider playing again. Its not completely out of the question
@@2011manchu play ffxiv you'll love it
Glad to see as per usual, I'm finding my views to align with yours. I also started my hiatus from destiny last week for similar reasons.
D1 Veteran player here.
7k+ hours and 200k+ cruicible kills in D2 with about 3 ka/d.
I too have given up hope on the game. I played through all of D2. Payed for the game. Payed for every expansion. Payed for every season pass since it got introduced. I’m done.
All I cared for was PvP, and time and time again Bungie has let us down. We’ve suffered through Wardcliff with 2-3 shots, Mountaintop, Recluse, Revoker, One Eyed Mask, 3rd peaking, cheaters, Lord of Wolves, Removal of maps, Stasis, Void invis, Solar healing, Lorely Splender, Le Monarque, Lorentz Driver, Dead Messenger, Chaperone, Fusion Rifles, Slide Nerf, In Air Accuracy nerf, and just the unrewarding system in general, the list goes on.
SBMM and the suspention penalty on a casual playlist really was the last bullet. The final blow. I haven’t ignored the game this much since Curse of Osiris.
I seriously dont know why you guys pvp players are suprised. Its very clear that they dont care about pvp. Pvp as always been a BS mess.
@@Xemozazk you’re not wrong. I guess we are ‘suprised’ because of the promises made, the negative changes that were unasked for and the simple fixes to outliers that never got adressed.
I’m confident if Bungie listened to the suggestions of just ONE Top 5% PvP player (aka not a casual and someone that knows PvP in-and-out and is here to stay) he would be requesting the same balance changes as a Top 1% players. They’re just that universally noticable and agreed upon that fixing PvP has been within a hand reach for years. I guess that’s why hope still remained.
i picked up shatterline after i saw you talking about it on twitter and i honestly cannot thank you enough
its been so much fun and once i saw that slide nerf and subsequent reversal i really feel confident that the devs are on top of the feedback.
always loved your destiny content, but its important to know when your time isn't being valued and i respect that.
actual man i saw some people from d2 play it but didnt download it until some friends tried it out, and its just so fun to play, my only issue personally is no reload cancel and snipers just being a one shot and just not to the head. I tried playing some elim/freelance comp the the past couple days but just stopped cause it was shit connections and unfun gameplay. Cant wait for shatterlines full release
@@Crimscn oh yeah i havent bothered played destiny pvp at all this season because im really not interested in being cheesed out of every lobby im in lmao
i honestly kind of like that snipers can one shot body but thats definitely a preferential thing so i understand
@@abyuse yeah haha tbh the one shot snipes mainly just annoy me in escort cause once i started playing people with tier 3 shit it got annoying real fast, but ike when i got to tier 3 i just cant use them, the sway on them is just something i cant predict so now whenever i die to a snipe im kinda impressed to degree if you know what i mean
I used to complain about the fact we don’t get new maps, and Bungie doesn’t care about PvP. I have since changed my tune lol. Revert things back to 30th Anniversary and I swear to God I’ll never bitch about it again lol. If this is them caring about PvP I don’t want it.
Also I’m glad you talked about the carry me cm. I agree with everything. The competitive side of pvp is sooooo devalued
Great vid, hopefully other D2 pvp hostages will realize that they're just playing the game for what it could be and with Bungie's track record, that potential will never be reached
I fucking love destiny, it was the first shooter I played, first game I ever really took seriously, and I would like to say I have made alot of progress improving and getting better at the game. I started out as a 0.1kd player I now can play at around a 1.6 in trials. I have put 1000s of hours into this game over the last few years and I want the game to be something it's not. You summed up exactly what I want changed into one video. Thank you! I hope that one day Bungie does something absolutely massive to PvP as a whole to make it better, something as big as making a separate "destiny PvP" game with balanced versions of all the weapon arcatypes and abilities. I really really like the gunplay and kill times and nature of destiny PvP gameplay, but Bungie just keeps doing things that make me want to find a different game. I find it very difficult to move on to annother game because it feels as if I am essentially deleting all the 1000s of hours of progress I have made on become better. Bad feeling Bungie. When I play a game I don't play just for fun, I play to become the best at the game I can. So it is very hard for me to move on to annother game. Thanks for reading.
how do you feel about PvP now with ranked?
@@Xezthos they have sbmm in ranked and not rank based match making and no way to flex your rank so kinda feels bad moment 😑 all they did was basically rename the ranks
@@ClapXIV How do you feel about PvP in Lightfall? Returning casual here and want to get into PvP more. Thx
@@1999driftwood the current sandbox is alot better, but they continue to neglect PvP with a terrible comp rework, where I'm not kidding all they did was add rose back and rename the ranks. Bungies servers are also 10+ years old which doesn't help. Honestly I would only recommend getting into PvP if you really enjoy it for what it is and not what it could be
@@ClapXIV appreciate it, imma just stick with PvE and do some bounties for the pinnacles then with PvP. Was thinking about trying trials and iron banner, I’ll give it a shot
I am with you 💯. I been playing destiny for 8 years. It sad to see it this way. I am enjoying playing grounded more right now, just not in the mood to play Destiny. I hope things do turn out for it.
Surely when Bungie said they're reworking comp next season, they mean they're gonna add strict ranking systems with rewards, remove primary flinch, move special ammo to heavy, reduce ability regen, and make it objective based.
if by some miracle they do some of this they'll ruin it by the next season
you literally hit on every point i had man great video. glad you’re enjoying shatterline it is actually so fun! now that overwatch 2 is out i’m gonna be grinding that instead of destiny. in overwatch you can shoot in the air and i have a rank to show my skill unlike destiny. i love destiny so much but it feels like they aren’t even trying man. change after change, in air accuracy, sliding nerfs, skill based in control, AND CARRY CULTURE. you’re one of the few people who touches on the issue.
I don't blame you for stepping out of d2. I also took a break when arc 3.0 came along. Currently, I'm in this weird middle stage of my dislikes outweighing my enjoyment for the game. 6s is basically comp with more cheese, lobby balance, and quitter penalty, so I'm forced to play comp and trials to get guns that will just collect dust in the vault. I love d2, but the current sandbox either aggravates me or makes me fall asleep depending on what the current cheese build or stale loot is. Mic was fine btw and I hope you spice up shatterline with these dope videos like you did in d2 lunarz!
I admit, pvp in original Destiny 2 double primary state was the most balanced game play... I actually prefer it.
I 100% agree with you, entitled players and carry culture have ruined this game. They try to say that people gatekeep them from activities (going to the lighthouse, raids, etc), when in reality they just dont want to put any effort and just want to be carried. Most people in the community are just like: "you are a moron for not explaining the raid to me", "you are a douche for not carrying me in trials".
Exactly. This for raids especially. So many times where my friends and I have gotten flak for no reason when they should've been a little more open about stuff. If you're not sure about something or want to learn a new role, no problem, we got you. We're more than happy to teach, but we're not door mats and *will not* carry.
Right on, also the leftist community and the "dedicated casuals" as I like to call them have been the cause of the pussyfication of D2; the Seasonal format, the Eververse plague, woke shit, mediocre and childish characters/storytelling, recycled d1 content, fake charity events, lack of actual mechanical skill/difficulty, lack of good and fun grinds, etc etc.
D1 and even D2Y1 at leas had a soul, they weren't perfect but they tried to be fun games first and bullshit products second
Pretty much agree with everything stated, I quit playing d2 quite a while ago and have been waiting to see improvements in PvP before I go back, but at this rate, I don't see myself playing it much again. The light grind every season and the season rank grind forcing you to play specific pve activities to level up the pass quickly made me really lose interest in the game. The gameplay loop for the season pass content is too repetitive as well.
I feel we've been waiting for so long, the last season crucible felt really good for me was arrivals and now pvp is a waiting room for a better sandbox and good matches that never comes
I honestly just quit.
For many reasons. And I went to Elden Ring - and Soulbourne games - etc. It's just not fun and I don't need to put myself through a game that genuinely gives me nothing. In return from trials.
I’m glad you mentioned shatter line! It’s fantastic and I think it’s only going to get much much better, the PvE is actually pretty fun as well!
I agreed with many of the things you said in this one. I too, abhor carry culture. It does feel transactional. Bungie really does not care about outliers, because the community at large rejected competitiveness on year 1 and DEMANDED special weapons to be introduced once again. I liked shotguns and snipers and fusions and whatnot on the power slot. What I didn't like was the movement speed being much slower, and no random rolls. Looking back, maybe that was actually necessary if we wanted a balanced PVP sandbox. Regarding SBMM, you already know my stance based on other comments on your videos. I want strict SBMM on everything regarding PVP, so we actually know we are winning because we were better than the opposition on a fair, hard match, not because of some cheese weapon or loadout. I do understand that comes at a cost of connection quality. I would also go as far as saying that, in competitive modes, which I hope the comp rework is going to be, SEVERAL exotics should be banned and energy regen should be severely hampered, so we can actually have gunfights again. With primaries. OR hell, even locked loadouts for the week, like the system would assign you a scout and an smg, and you could not unequip it. Or Hand cannon + sidearm, something like that. But people wouldn't like that, because how else could they crutch on lorentz or invis shotty?
I've fought many people in comp, which much higher kds than me, that when they are out of special ammo and they actually have to fight me primary vs primary get destroyed. I see how they have that high kd, they literally use the secondary weapon as a primary weapon. That is asinine.
Regarding trials and the flawless pool, I had strong feelings about that and why I believe flawless pool is necessary, and most of it is because of carry culture, but to your point in one of your other videos, I don't really play it anymore, so I won't complain one way or the other. The "trials people" won. I will never play it again, so I'll stop making suggestions about it.
Regarding light level, I hate it. It makes no sense doing boring things to make number go up, just so EVENTUALLY, I can play the content I like. And yes, Splicer was awesome. I like this season's ketchcrash activity, but expedition is atrocious. We should just have ketchcrash, and the weekly drip fed story content is boring. Let me play the campaign. If I want to play it all in one weekend, let me do that. I won't leave the game. It just means that if I'm done with the seasonal story, I get to focus on what I like, like dungeons, GM nightfalls, raids, some PVP when we don't have a full raid team. Don't drip feed me that stuff. I won't be going anywhere. Maybe that's the problem, people should leave the game.
I think people should definitely speak with their playtime and wallets, more so their wallets since the game is technically F2P
Not much of a PvP guy but I do watch your stream from time to time. Having come to destiny from other shooters, even after being here 3 years, I still find the developer embraced carry culture really strange.
I've played a lot of Destiny in my days and I've reached the tipping point. I may have taken cut backs from time to time with my playtime involved but I'm to a point where I don't want to play the game because of multiple issues. Whether it be because of the sandbox, lack of content or the fact the fun factor just is not there anymore and it's all intertwined. From season handouts like exotics and poor content that feels like a real lack of effort was put into it. I feel as if there isn't much left for Destiny to offer if they keep recycling content and leaving certain parts of the game unhealthy for extended periods of time. There's just too much conflict within' the company to have a straight forward direction in what they want and it comes at the cost of players and I hate to say that I'm done being a sheep, because that's ultimately what I feel like at the end of the day and it's a real shame because everyone knows Destiny has so much potential but some how, some way they always don't meet the mark. Until I see and hear absolutely great things about the game, I'll be enjoying my time elsewhere. Whether that be another video game or not. Just my side of the story and views on it!
Before the map-weighting fix I remember loading onto Disjunction, leaving because I don't like that map, getting timed-out for 15 mins, queing up again after, loading into Disjunction against a 6-stack, leaving because that would've been terrible, then getting timed-out for another 15 mins. Great system they got over there in Control...I just might end up trying Rumble again for the first time since like D1Y1 to avoid some BS.
I normally make long, drawn out explanations as to why I dislike the game, but at this point I’ve stopped caring. Destiny is dumb af, the game has gotten so boring and watered down and after thousands upon thousands of hours in pvp, I’ve finally lost interest in d2, not d1 I’ll go back and have fun, but d2 is just not fun.
Eh.. can't say we didn't see this coming. Aye man, do whatever you're enjoying. All your points were super valid imo.
Realest vid on TH-cam 🙌🏾
7:02 thank fucking god someone else thinks the same. 1 tap to the head, 2 to the body just like heavy LFRs. Id even go as far to say bows (specifically le monarque) are special weapons in the primary slot.
Agreed with everything you said. I used to heavily play pvp only. Not I heavily play PVE cause crucible is really terrible. Linear and sniping through flinch is ridiculous. They’ll hit headshots but when you use it, your aim is flinched through the roof. Can’t complain to many time where I think they have 100 resilience to shoot through flinch but they have 20-40 resilience with no targeting and unflinching mods. Map rotations are terrible. My cousin and I played pvp and we literally had eternity, widows court, the map on dreadnaught and disjunction back to back. Can’t leave the game cause we’ll get banned. Those maps are terrible. Most importantly, hackers and bad internet connections. I understand no one can control where they connect but holy shit, don’t give us people who are in the UK, Japan and etc that’ll lag all over the place. Hackers are terrible to the game. Never seen people have 100% air accuracy by jumping with linear, fusions and snipers. Also, people using zen and shit too. I’m not bad at crucible. 1.8kd. Crucible literally went downhill.
Been playing more games than Destiny 2 more recently, and in general, I've spent less time playing games overall for the past few weeks, partially because I'm busy with college (I always do my work a few days to a week early though, so idk how much that actually means anything). Shatterline looks promising (I actually saw that while scrolling down the Steam games store myself, and decided to give it a try), and the same goes for First Descendant. For the most part, I've become pretty much an almost all fighting games player. Smash, Guilty Gear Strive, Rivals of Aether, etc. I sometimes still go on Destiny to farm or play a tiny bit of PvP, but I've kinda just moved on from the game apart from that.
Big loves LunaRz, you really are an inspiration.
I would definitely watch your videos from other shooters like shatterline. Your gameplay is clean and commentary is real with no sugar coating shit i hope to see more content destiny or not
hoping you'll be around to review the competitive revamp when it happens
“Babe, quick! Lunarz uploaded”
Even though I enjoyed PvE, it was majorly because I knew I could take what I got into PvP and have a decent level of fun. Lately PvP isn't rewarding at all, the sandbox is total garbage and no matter how much work I put in with an "honest" setup, it's never enough to beat the guy slide challenging me with invis and either a fusion of a linear.
Bungie listens to people who don't know what they want, I don't even know why. It's like the sandbox team has a minimal understanding of their area of expertise, or their Dev tools are so bad that they can't make the right changes. Idk :|
I'll try shatterline when it comes out on console, looks decent, and hopefully scratches the same itch Crucible used to.
I'm surprised you didn't mention this, but you probably didn't see it. However, someone made a Reddit post of how Bungie is intentionally making PvP really bad, but when Lightfall comes out there will be sweeping changes and it'll be saved. I'll try to find the link as it is pretty detailed.
that doesn’t make sense. why would they intentionally make pvp bad if they know it’ll cause less people to play. and where did you see this reddit post?
that's some heavy copium haha, don't believe a single word.
@@iamglooo Let me find it I passed out and I don't know, but the Reddit post was interesting
I generally don't interact with Destiny 2 side of reddit so I don't see a lot of things, sounds like heavy copium tho not gonna lie.
@@2011manchu Yeah I see why you don't interact with, you do lose a ton of braincells.
This makes me really excited for your future endeavours.
Bungie is in it for the money and the only thing getting improved is the story which is cool and all but they forget that it’s an MMO not a Story game
Agreed. Like I'm glad the narrative is cool but the actual gameplay loop is being completely ignored imo
This game is not even close to an MMO.
(I don't do PVP anymore nor do I do trials-I just Roman around the planets-no SRL coming back-so it's kinda of boring-without racing other people)
great insight and clear points as always! may i ask what your hawkmoon roll is?
Mainly moving target and rangefinder
Good summery of d2 right now, and some good points I never thought of.
Sad to see u go!
I agree with 100% of what you said... This philosophy of everyone deserves everything and lets make everything easy for everyone is just whats wrong with society in general...participation medals for every single person... oh you suck at the game? here go flawless... oh u suck even more? oh here get adapt weapons... different pools and different ques... its so obvious that they do everything in their power to help the players that are bad get loot that is supposed to be for the better player... as you said equal outcome instead of equal opportunity, this also comes from the fact that as PVP players bungie devs seem to be average themselves (nothing wrong with that btw) which can be proved by all the decisions they make with all these broken exotics and abilities they implement in the game, there is NO WAY IN HELL...
a high skill player tests a GLAIVE or OMNI + LOW or ARBALEST/LORENTZ or SHATTERDIVE and many many other things and goes oh ya this is fine.... the only way this happens is if you give these tools to low skill players and since they cant make it work they feel like ya this is fine...
about carries, I do carries all the time, let me explain why, I always need a goal to chase... thats just how my brain works :D so I motivate myself by helping other people get flawless (obviously for free) and this way i can see them be super happy and make it more challenging for myself as well... THAT SAID... Bungie does a horrible job and giving good players something to chase... I can go flawless whenever at this point and to be honest I have everything I need from flawless... I dont farm KD... i Dont give a shit about KD to be honest cause anyone can artificially have a High KD, but i truly enjoy helping others get to the lighthouse BUT if me and my friends had something to chase like - 300 flawlesses per season = ornament set or special emblem... yes i would love to just chat and chill and play with friends against sweaty teams.
and finally Im also switching to another game soon so ya... sux but this game just isnt it anymore when it comes to pvp... CHEESE + CRINGE = WIN instead of Movement aim and gamesense
so you hate carry culture and bad players being rewarded, but yet you carry ppl all the time. makes perfect sense. haha, d2 whiners make me laugh
@@mynameis6204 I never said i HATE CARRIES... and im not gonna be sorry for enjoying helping people to get their loot and enjoy the liggthouse for the first time:) i dont run stacked and farm kd... i do double carries with 0.5-0.8 players and i love hearing them being happy, thats all it is
It’s been years since I was excited or felt achievement playing d2. I’ve stepped away and it’s been nice
For me, outliers are such a big problem. Dealing with a player who is crutching something but is clearly worse is so stupid. It’s why rumble is horrible. There’s one guy running a fusion and just instantly wins without firing a primary shot. I’d be fine with SBMM if everyone I’m playing isn’t using pulses and scouts which are so dumb cuz they just sit in the back and it’s so boring. It makes using handcannons impossible. I hit three headshots in a row with a 140, and they can just turn around two burst me. All pulses are just too powerful, but especially high impact frames and rapid fire frames
I know this is literally the tiniest most nitpicky comment possible but the country is just "Ukraine", saying "The Ukraine" is a Soviet era thing, and they changed it to remove "The" when they declared independence from the USSR.
I'm definitely going to check out Shatterline though, I'm also looking for something to replace Destiny. Love the content, keen to see what comes out of the pipeline in the future, if it does
Love that you introduced me to shatterline. Post more videos on it whenever you can :)
They also just nerfed eagers edge to the point where I'm seriously considering quitting....
All I do in this game is play PvP because I don't have the time to invest into learning PvE. I don't want to continuously work towards loot I'm not going to use as I only use literally less than 20 guns. My incentive to play is to have fun and it's now punishable when you aren't, maybe a new game is needed for me too.
giving my thanks for letting me find out about Shatterline. I've been searching for a proper pvp for a really long while that respects and honors the dedicated players and seeing what they are doing with shatterline, it suits me pretty well. And yeah about Destiny PVP, I mainly feel that the community despises and hates anyone that puts effort into the game to be better. And Bungie decided to choose the casuals over the hardcore fans that stuck with them across all of these years. I've been playing Destiny for 7 straight years, I've stuck with the game with its ups and downs, but recently I honestly completely gave up. The fact that they added SBMM again is just distasteful, I played a match the other day where I took around 15 minutes to find a match, then the match was already in progress and we were getting stomped on, then the lag was unbearable (the amount of times I got shot behind cover, I dont even wanna talk about it), and somehow the match was tougher than any of my trials games. And guess what? I can't even leave that fucking match without eating a ban. Its literally prison. I've never heard of the game that gives time penalties for leaving a CASUAL GAMEMODE match. Bro people have lives that catch up to them, be it work, be it someone suddenly showing up, even for the people that live with their parents, their parents would be calling them all the time and what if they leave they get banned? To top it all off, Bungie's PVE Formula is getting repetitive, the grind is nonexistant as craftable weapons are literally removing all incentive to even get a randomly rolled weapon, the amount of money I put into the game (bro its literally a yearly subscription), and how Bungie is just gate keeping everything behind a paywall is extremely frustrating. I completely dropped playing Destiny like a week ago and I saw this video then, I gave shatterline a shot and honestly a breath of fresh air to see a game studio be passionate with developing a game. Anyway, aint pre-ordering or buying anything from Bungie until they prove that they care about their dedicated players, if not, well I found some other games that will fill in that spot. Anyways, cheers on the vid mate.
I guess I started at the peak of the best pvp
Meta in destiny 2 - Season of the Lost. I didn’t know what Trials is as I was just enjoying the campaigns. After finishing those I discovered PVP and I had a lot of fun playing. I wanted to be good at PvP and as the seasons come and go, a whole lot of tinkering has been done. It didn’t feel like it used to be. I’m not a good pvper I’m just decent but the players I’m teamed up with isn’t on par with me nor that one guy who is sweating his balls off killing everyone. While my other teammates are just dying because they don’t know the meta. It’s so off balanced. SBMM is a great idea but Bungie’s implementation is the worst.
Man, it's nice to finally have someone with a brain and balls to say shit how it is
I completely agree with everything you said, simple as that
Bungie has to man up and cut the bullshit, decide what Destiny 2 is who it's made for; when you try to appease everyone you end up appeasing no one
Saw you try Shatterline on stream and downloaded it shortly after. Been thoroughly enjoying it
You know you did say you had a fighting game background, do you think you'll get back into fitting scene with street fighter 6 ?
Highly unlikely but I enjoy watching the scene. If the game is free I will play it though, but I will probably be more casual
Hard agree with all the points in this video. I see it happening and I just want this game to be good but all this game is turning into is an ability game. The only time PvE is fun is day 1 raids because normal raids are too easy and master is a joke. Endgame PvP is also a joke because most of the time its people spamming abilities, using shitty gimmicks, or sniping me through flinch. Its not a fun time and I just really want to see Bungie fix this somehow in lightfall and make another golden age for d2
I agree with you on this vid bro. It feels to me like Destiny 2 lost focus somewhere. The community also drives me away because of their toxicity and elitism. Glad to see you’re having fun with this new game and I hope you enjoy yourself in this game.
Players having issues with content creators, and not even just content creators(I've seen become more common lately), being good at the game, and wanting things changed to spite them, not because of any unbalance or gamebreaking issue, should not be taken lightly, but thats what bungie does. Love the video, and hope the game changes someday where I may see you streaming scrims again.
The biggest issue with carry culture is just demotivates bad players from getting good, lfging for trials just ends up with me just sweating just to win a round. Then getting added and being expected to do the same next week. I remember playing with an old friend and we just sat in private lobbies and he just straight shit on me for hours, teaching me different strats and skills and in retrospect i loved it. It's why I play the way i do.
This is why I am excited for Lightfall just for PvE. I've been playing a lot less PvP than usual. SBMM ruined everything. They even put it into ranked which I also never touched (also because Rift is there. Fuck Rift).
Farewell lunarZ
I am a firm believer that Cronus Zen devices are being used by large amount of player base.
We would never know too unless they streamed
Tin foil hat
@@loganmcdougall8647 you probably use one
@@nelsonperez007 I Play on PC........
I feel the same and it's sad. Just looking for another game rn and play just a little destiny every now and then. Crucible it's just boring there's no incentive to play for hours like I used to.
To be fair, I haven't played much PvP and even D2 much cause I've been on both jobs along with my wonky sleep schedule.
Better saying to say my peace even, imo.
Honestly, you finally hit all the points that I've wanted someone to say, didn't disagree with a single point.
As someone who almost exclusively plays Crucible, I’ve only noticed a problem with SBMM once or twice.
Then again I’m the type of maniac who uses rain of fire and heat rises with sweet business so maybe my lobby balancing can’t handle my 5th dimensional intellect.
I feel you man. Hey if you don't upload d2 I'll enjoy anything you put out.
totally agree with you Mr luna .. good video bro
Couldn't agree more. Everything you've said in this video is true. All of my buddies have been quitting the game since WQ dropped and I dont blame any of them. PvP in this game is dieing and I dont see it ever being saved. I've been playing OW2 lately and im gonna try and make that my main game as I honestly don't wanna support Bungie anymore. Bungie doesn't care about players like me and thats fine. I'll just have to not care about them and their game. This game is for the streets now.
Pvp has always been garbage were u asleep.......
There's definitely a weird mix of gate keeping and on the other end carry culture in the community. An for pvp. The community probably will never know how to be mostly casual even in casual modes like control. At the same time there's not much of a reason to use off meta. Lot of the maps never felt like they fit 6v6. Light levels do annoy me in pve. Lot of the end game is based around having people to do the stuff with as it's a social game.
I enjoyed the redrix quest for pvp. Give glory a quest for a reward similar to that and give ornaments for reaching the top. Then give a toggle to choose between sbmm/cbmm and a toggle to have freelance or standard. I miss 4v4 clash will this fix anything? Probably not. Burnt out myself
Caster mode would be fun for vanguard ops/pvp/gambit
Wish they would add more things similar to things like alters to other planets.
Gambit - just give us more unique modes.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind pvp if they add solo queue for control and remove the suspension penalty for leaving a disjunction match
The resources are just not being put into what they consider one of their core game modes for some reason. I think I remember seeing them say somewhere they don't have a dedicated pvp team, it's just distributed amongst the entire team, there is no pvp lead that I am aware of. That in addition to server quality and extended periods of outlier equipment has made this game what it is today. I don't play nearly as much anymore, Friday nights I'd play pvp for 6-8 hours for years, now I get too frustrated after a few matches and just get off. Also fuck Lorentz and arbalest.
I like to hear you talk about the last thing you actually enjoyed. The pvp sandbox IS shit. The only reason I play this game is for end of day decompression but I enjoy playing against better players. And I enjoy the people I play with. Gg bro still love you videos
The fundamental issue here is that there are hundreds of thousands of Destiny players who take PvP a lot more seriously than BUNGiE does. This is remarkably ironic for a company whose previous franchise was almost solely responsible for the popularity of PvP on console. On the PvE side, it's become clear to me that Destiny is never, ever going to reach the concept's potential as long as its various features, release schedule and basic game loop are all being designed by Marketing and Finance wonks (and not the game designers, themselves). That started in early 2016 and hasn't let up since. Sad, but that's the direction the rest of the AAA game dev industry seems to be going. The priority is revenue generation, not providing entertainment value.
You are a demon around those zonee
Long gone the days where they last "heard you loud and clear". I'm just hoping there's an actual Destiny killer that would make Bungie think twice about being complacent. Destiny is just being dominant now because they're the only ones who survived their ordeal and most of their competition either dying out (The Division) or killed themselves (Anthem).
My main issue with this game was the problem with endgame Bl2 and to an extent Bl3, very limited builds and artificial difficulty.
I stan for your ideology for this game, everyone believes in the potential of destiny 2 pvp but the devs have ignored it for way too long. Everything feels stale and incentive to farm loot wears off after a while because the loop is so boring.
Maybe the guns in pvp should all be the same. We got generic 120,140,180 hand cannon. The white ones. Some generic shotguns, and sniper rifles. That would be easier to balance. Killing with power weapons just feels cheap btw.
ill miss your videos, hope you'll be back soon!
I’ve given up with pvp. I still have loads of fun in pve doing dungeons and raids, there’s not really a game like it.
This is how a feel about the game too. Pve is in a really good spot if you don't play 12 hours or so a day.
Honestly, I'm not surprised that Bungie has braced this equal outcome mindset. They have always been proud that they champion woke culture and social justice. Equal opportunity isn't valued in that community, only equal outcomes. They actually seek to disadvantage those they view as privileged, and ruin their opportunity. It feels like these recent changes are in line with that same agenda. Skilled players are privileged, so they seek to disadvantage them, to provide better outcomes for lesser skilled players. (Slide nerf, AE, flawless pool, sbmm, HC nerfs, etc.)
I used to play destiny every day since d1 vanilla. But something about solar 3.0 just turned me off bad and I haven't played since. 😔
you made a good choice, after i get flawless seal i will quit pvp to rn is so low quality (bad meta removing maps no good loot bad mm and in this season crucible is so laggy)
I feel the intro I’ve wanted to learn how to snipe but in control it’s a pain cause I suck and everyone is my level or above so I can’t even occasionally go up against a player lower skill than me. And the 5-6 stacks dont even
I’m on the higher end of the skill tier aswell but I find myself not enjoying pvp anymore
I’ve also taken a break from Destiny, they just don’t care and keep digging a hole for themselves just to appeal to a certain group, and it’s been hard to even enjoy the game, it’s chores everything week on Tuesday for power level to do nothing, pvp is just annoying I’ll hop on if I’m really feeling to “sweat” but it’s just not fun que times waiting for other “similar” skill just to have bad connection as well, but all respect to you Lunarz I’ve been tuning in when I can to streams and seeing the new games is cool, definitely will give them a try much love brother and keep it up 🖤🖤🖤
top player and content creators will only get respect again, when they stop raining on the parade of the casual players because they are bored
i really do feel the same way. Destiny wasn't it for a long while, and the day i first started playing shatterline was the day i uninstalled destiny. having an absolute blast slaying in that game.
I’be been playing Destiny since Forsaken… Back then experience was cool and refreshing. But now… Only meta wins. Yesterday auto rifles was the meta, today’s pulse rifles, and if I want to keep up with some kind of a good loot I am forced to play with meta guns. It became boring.
I’m glad to see that not only I switched from Destiny to Shatterline) Hope to meet you on the battlefield)
Meta is in every game man. Apex , overwatch , cod and so on you can't escape it. It's a problem every game has
@@loganmcdougall8647 true, true)
But I sometimes it may be too tight, like only one weapon type performs. Just like No time to explain overwhelmingly used in trials.
@@nopiece3733 tight asshole or not u can't escape it!
would love to see more shatterline gameplay
I don’t have a problem with carries outside the fact of people doing 6 win resets for payed carries so it ruins people in the NFP experience
I got so over Bungies stupid decision making that I downloaded plutonium and started playing BO2 and MW3 just to have a good mp experience
The drill beat tho
My day 1 raid team is the only thing keeping me playing the inbetween content. Pvp is over
personally I hate bungies "no fun allowed" approach to balance.which was most evident in the aa nerf
Maybe im in the trash pool, but im having fun with my gimmicky builds
I, as well, am ready to let this game go. It’s been fun with NF and old comp. PVP is lacking the fun it used to have… or perhaps we just grew up and got mature to realize how much of a time sink this game is.
Preach brother preach ❤