Help stop this madness! Sign the petition here - bit.ly/3VYvOH4 Listen to Fiona's encounter with Lewisham Council - th-cam.com/video/gIQ-if1xm7U/w-d-xo.html
Signed. Music geeks unite! I feel like maybe you've struck a chord here (pardon the pun). I tried to leave a comment but had to delete it lol. Daytime music should be safe for any and all between the hours of 7am-9pm. If you can work with hammer and nail and saw at 7am, you can work with string and whistle. Good luck to Fiona!
Signing now and as a musician myself for decades. I will NOT have someone take what I pay for hat alone in my own HOME! Could be much more worse .. people, murdering people or the IDK crime or anything else that is far more dangerous than someone playing their musical instruments.. what is wrong with this world and the law.
@Rosencrantz&Guildenstern: You don't get it: Music is noise pollution, the other stuff you mentioned is the "cultural enrichment" we all should embrace. C'mon - just overcome your cultural chauvinism and xenophobia. ;-)
@@latinumbavariae I stand corrected - nay, enlightened! Thank you so much for opening my cilthy cishet white eyes, I shall donate all my possessions unjustly gain through my privileges to BLM and flog myself with a neon pink dildo while saying 69 Hail Dworkins in repentance!
I'm in the USA... My next-door neighbor does woodworking and metalworking projects.... it generates loud sounds. I fix my car, play the drums........stuff that makes noise. We talked about it, and decided that 9:30 PM was the "stop time" for loud noise. We have NEVER had issues. I am thankful for my noisy neighbor, who I was able to come to an agreement with.
Im actually thankful to live in an apartment complex that ACTUALLY enforces noise complaints. We have a 3 strike rule here and noise stops at 10pm and starts at 8 am.
Yes my neighbour did some works in an outbuilding and it was noisy for a couple of months, now he is doing works inside the house, what are you gonna do about it. We know each other, he is cool, I am cool, what's the point, then again I make noise sometimes? Some people have too much time on their hands, and god knows what else.
There IS a way though. "I heard a sound coming from their apartment and we can't have that now can we. Go kick in their doors and take all their shit! Fine them 5 grand while you're at it!"
''it's a house, not a studio, you shouldn't be practicing here'' I promise you, if you show up to a session at the studio and start practicing, they will tell you the exacct opposite.
people don't understand that musicians need to practice their individual piece at home before stepping into the studio because the studio is for practicing with the band and with the whole arrangement.
When i lived in california i rented a house and every other day a woman would practice her singing she was an opera singer my wife and i always sat out on the patio have a couple drinks and listen to this womans beautiful voice it was a treasure and a gift it always lifted our spirits.
But what if she's not very good? How long would you enjoy it then? Practising several hours every day not getting any better... How long can you put up with it?
This is really sad to hear Andy. When I lived in an apartment, one of the neighbors complained anytime I played music in my apartment...didn't matter what the volume was. Yet their children ran around screaming and pounding on the floor and that was ok! To get back at them, all of the other apartments joined me in a building block party, tuned our stereos into the same rock radio station and had a party on a Saturday with out inviting them! We made our point. Today, I am fortunate to live in my own house on 10 acres...nobody complains anymore!
This is why immigration is such a bad idea, as it swallows up land and resources that could be used to build a lot more detached houses, instead of endless apartments and semi-detached that are useless for those wanting privacy and to enjoy playing music etc. That and greedy property developers building concrete jungles, and pack everyone together like sardines in a living hell.
@@WessStewart - This is so true. Now I'm told : It's good that you participate in live music, do not drink and drive to get out amongst it. But If you have to be prescribed painkillers and drive on them, you are still being a reckless criminal - if you get caught. It's as if it's equally recreational to ease the pain of Arthritis [like a dry drunk @ 'Party-gate'], all whilst trying to function as a musician, on the road. Totally arbitrary in my opinion.
I was forced out of an apartment due to a neighbor demanding that I stop playing. Didn't matter when, didn't matter how quiet I was able to keep it. This was the same neighbor who was throwing wild parties at 3 AM on weeknights. Yet somehow the property manager sided with my neighbor. It's worse to practice your acoustic guitar at 3 in the afternoon than it is to throw drunken parties and blast music and yell and scream at 3AM. City life has become downright hostile to musicians here in the states, especially in recent years. It's one of the reasons I moved out of the city to a small town. Now my neighbors complain because they can't hear me good enough.
Glad I live in Canada...we were jamming once,a neighbor complained to police,they show up at my door step and asked us to play,they requested sweet emotion,then told the neighbor that we were allowed to play till 11pm😂
That's just being inconsiderate. I'd probably take matters into my own hands if someone refused to stop being loud until 11pm. Thata ridiculous. You should need a permit. Other people live there and you think you're so fucking special.
I live in ohio and I have band practice twice a week in my basement. It's hard rock and metal too. Lol. No one ever says anything because they can't! It's my fundamental right to be as loud as I want during the day.😂
Don't be too smug. Canada, NZ, Australia, the Netherlands, and the UK are in a race to see who can attain Totaltarianism first. I think the UK may be pulling ahead this month.
I signed her petition a couple of weeks ago. This city council is fekking ridiculous. I don't know if signatures from outside the UK count, but I passed on the petition to all my music friends anyway. Thanks for spreading the news, Andy!
I would like to hear their side of the story before making such a statement. The correct procedure would have been to go measure the noise levels during rehearsals and have a look at what the law says and/or what the "flat complex" rules - which can appear more unreasonable than the laws (often pets will not be allowed) - says. If done properly, they would be in the right to threaten with fines. If you don't like it at this point, then start advocating for having the laws changed. And if you missed the fine print in the lease contract about horrible noise rules, that's also on you as a renter and you're the one that should move. If this is just a favor move from the council, then yes I would agree - ridiculous and would probably not be legal if it went to the court system and they couldn't document measured noise levels against the law.
One of the pleasures of walking through the neighborhoods where I live is hearing music being practiced on various instruments. The UK has become an insane police state.
@@manictiger then why is the USA one of the most insane police states in the world? the USA has the highest incaraceration rate in the world. on top of that, you also have the wild housing associations where youll get in serious trouble for not maintaining a particular height of grass lmao. some "freedom".
Signed. I had years of harassment from my next door neighbour, who would complain to the council (Milton Keynes) about imaginary problems. Although she was known to be a serial complainer, the council took her side every time. They would just send me a threatening letter without ever asking my side of it. It seems Lewisham Council are just as incompetent, and it also seems Fiona Fey's neighbour is using the council to harass her.
@@terryarmbruster9719 Time you stopped living at your mum's and got out into the real world... Oh, wait, shouldn't you be at school? I think you are supposed to be doing "colouring in" today! 😃
Seems Councils everywhere are becoming drunk with power and no longer have the public interest at heart. They need to be consigned to the history bin or at the very least have their powers dramatically reduced. This takes 1st place in my "What a load of Bollocks" list for this week.😡 The time is definitely coming for us peasants to be revolting it seems.🤔
and yet all we do is keep on putting the same Little Napoleon's back into office. And then complaining on the internet when they start acting like untouchables, which is what we've made them. Go figure.
Sounds like "par for the course" for these power-hungry councils. How about testing the sound level from the neighbor's pace, and if it is under the sound pressure level, deny the complaint. The neighbors sound like they don't have kids with their noise.
@@onlybugwit But it isnt though. And, I as a musician and songwriter have not only a flat but a full home recording set up in mine, and its a case of working sensitively around my neighbours. By the same token, my local council are not as loony as Lewisham have a record for being.
I'm Swiss but I signed the petition anyway, not knowing if that's gonna make a difference but you got my total support. This situation is utterly ridiculous and mind blowing. I got the total impression to be in Farenheit 451. It's a distopian reality.
@@ctr289 You should be punished for saying stuff like that, severely. There are certain hours within the day that you are not permitted and these are 3pm to 5pm and 11pm to 7am.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 No, those are the hours when the punishment is greater, but in fact you can't make noises repeatedly at any hour, people have the right to live without torment, it's not guantanamo bay prison, it's an apartment meant for normal living.
2023 has been another year of entitled brats wanting to do as they want or people get cancelled, people are so damn selfish and self important that they think it`s ok to ruin other people`s lives becayse "they want" to do someting. Pathetic, find a cheaper place to live and get a place to play music as people have done for generations. Whiny brats.
A locality in my state, Henrico County, Virginia, USA passed an ordinance a few years ago. It addresses excessive noise coming from inside the home during the day. Nothing about outside, but specifically noise from inside the home. I can only imagine it targets bands and musicians practicing in their home. Silliness.
also a Henrico resident. it's in response to the people trying to talk to whales and submarines with their overwhelming bass speakers, if I can FEEL it in my house from fifty yards away it's too loud
I think that was most likely targeted at people blasting loud Bass tunes out of their house all day, shaking everyone elses house. Seems more prevalent than hearing band/musicians playing or practicing in a house these days, at least where I live in Northern Virginia
You don’t have Muslims controlling your country and slowly changing laws, do you? We have one as the mayor of London, one as prime minister and one as Scotlands first minister…….The Scottish one is the worst, as he’s trying to get a new law passed, that means an automatic 7 year prison sentence….For having a meme in your phone, that him or someone else finds offensive.
@@Acheron666 What country did you think I was from? The surname should give it away as being from 🏴. So yes, I do know. And, he won't be in long, we'll turf that lot out in the next Scottish elections. Just Hope liebour don't get in,, they've got one in Sarwar too.
Goes both ways - we have a neighbours quite near us… they play in pubs around the area… but often practice VERY LOUDLY from lunch to midnight and beyond, with very big speakers …. There are families with disabled kids who get triggered by noise, there are shift workers who need to sleep, there are elderly people, some with serious health issues, some dying. The music is repetitive, they’re not great singers, turning up the volume presumably thinking that makes them sound better (?). There are sound recording & practice studios for rent in the area, and musicians could /should build themselves a sound hub/pod to practice in …. Or get their local government to provide more space !!!
I used to live in a studio apartment, and the landowner told me to not play any instrument. I'm a bass player and just quit playing for the time I lived there. Then I moved back to my old place and never had a single complaint about playing guitar/bass or loud music. In a building, surrounded by apartments. But, Serbian law lets me play loudly in the daytime, except for the break time that is 16:00 to 18:00
Alpha dog till he starts fawning over Lance. Turning into fanboy. Appologising to Lance about his Napalm screwin up the surf. Yeah, Alpha dog poser. The usa in microcosm.
Thank goodness as someone who values peace in my house . I don’t want to hear anything from next door, noise, dogs, tv anything. I am totally on side with the neighbours.
So it's evil to be bothered by loud sounds coming from the neighbor? I would have some tolerance, but I don't know how loud she was or how much the sound is getting through. She should just buy a soundproofing booth, that way she can be as loud as she likes, and the neighbors wouldn't hear a thing.
@@danfg7215 That was only a joke, as I'm rather quiet myself and also quiet liking person. I'm not bothered by "normal sounds of life" but I'd probably resent being constantly exposed to loud music. And I totally hate my neighbours almost constantly screaming at their kid. For me that's 💯 a subject to report.
@@danfg7215 She literally said she did what she could to soundproof her practice area and move it as far away from the neighbour as possible. She also mentioned her instrument plays at round 80dbs, which is about as loud as the volume of a single passing car. Could you imagine being able to threaten a fine and the seizure of the cars of everyone who dare drive past your house and disturb you with their noise? It's a similar level of BS.
This is just crazy and I feel for her 100% as someone that plays music everyday in my studio I would be lost without being able to play music on a daily basis. This is also why I bought my own home out in the country away from people so I can play as much as I want as loud as I want without dealing with crazy neighbors causing me these kind of problems. I hope she can find a better place to live so she can get back to practicing and playing like she wants and needs to I wish her all the best.
Same here but I live right in the middle of a conservative small Midwest town that ain't to keen on load distorted guitars or people screaming over a loud pa system die!! Die!! die!!or if you play breaking the law by priest they come beating on the door well we don't answer it just keep on playing they'll eventually go away !it's rock and roll rebel against the establishment and authority if they say up you go down they say left we go right nothing's changed no matter what you do if you ain't following along with the other sheeple your going against the grain and they hate you anyways so fuck em! You want to be heard what better way than through a few thousand watts with a backing of loud bass and heavy guitars ! Double kik drums
@@thegoldenpanther6986 actually my neighbors back in the day when I had neighbors used to sit out side and listen to my band practice and would request songs for us to play for them.
I’m 78 years old, and through the years I’ve had to put up with noisy neighbors with loud parties, etc. I now live in a 55 + neighborhood and I believe that I’ve earned the right to peace and quiet. I still play my guitar, but I don’t play obnoxiously sounding distortion. My house is well insulated with double pained glass, so there’s no way my neighbors can hear me. If you’re planning on playing music, especially in an apartment, plan ahead. Do your homework. Not everybody wants to hear other neighbors music etc. try to understand their needs and not just your own.
I'm Belgian.. I used to play jazz trumpet and played over 2hours a day at home.... Now i've been playing guitar for the past 10 yrs. My neighbors sometimes ask me if i can put it louder because they can't hear the music.... I never play scales loud tho, i only play loud when it involves complete pieces which i can already play fluently ..i do it to maintain them and improve them a little. I do think practicing scales, it could be annoying for neighbors.
a neighbour complained about me playing recorded music. After a few complaints I asked if I could have a listen , the sound was so quiet I could just about hear it. As I left I said "I understand now". He called the council and they fitted his place with recording equipment , all they heard was bird song and cars and buses going by :-) he was nuts
I would have thought the musicians union would be interested in this, if this lady were a member they might even provide her with legal help/representation.
Well, with respect, the Performing Rights Society are just doing what they’re supposed to do, collecting royalties (money in other words) for musicians; I cited the Musicians Union because it is they who stand up for us and our rights and interests.
My union just takes our money and gives it to politicians who sign laws that are destroying our industry. We are actually paying to be out outta work. Unions are obsolete today, they’re just as corrupt as the people they were originally supposed to protect the workers from.
I had a neighbour who had been complaining about noise for 9 years. .I lived there 2 years . The council said they keep no record of repeat complainers just take each new complaint on its own. This was 23 years ago in Bristol. He even complained when no one was home
Unfortunately complainers put you right in the doo-doo, I had a council worker complain about the state of my flat, then unannounced the area housing officer called, I didn't answer the door and they are supposed to give you at least 24 hours notice, in this case they didn't. They still want to come and inspect, but we've got other issues at my flat block which I will raise with her, as I am feeling victimised, yet when she called there were two doors with broken glass in them (one has now completely shattered and just brushed under the stairs, we only have one working washing line in front of my block, pub picnic tables on the grass front and back plus other kid's playthings on the back, these that have done this also leave rubbish bags out in front of their flat. Then also we have got a mentally ill person who occasionally shouts at no-one, I just put up with it as it doesn't bother me too much, but just annoying that she must've seen the washing lines and doors when she came, yet nothing is done about it, don't get me started about the state of the pavements within a mile of my flat as some have nearly caused me ankle injuries/falls, yet our council are spending millions on bloody cycle lanes on the main road I live just off of, but nearer to the city centre than me, but can't repair pavements or resurface our car park either.
I had a neighbour who got threatened with a similar fine because he would play Bob Marley loud 12 hours a day. It got very irritating constantly hearing the same songs on loop and having no escape from it. Could hear it over my own music or TV. I don’t miss that month of Marleymania. Fortunately the threat put an end to it.
I mean playing something lout for 12 hours straight every yeah that’s annoying, but someone practicing an instrument for an hour a day? That shouldn’t be a problem. Some people are just annoying karen types…
There can be a fine line as to how an individual judges music as opposed to noise. Living in an apartment presents an additional challenge. I, for one, hate amplified buskers. Musicians should band together and gravitate to music-friendly buildings. If all the tenants are musicians who is to complain?
Thankfully I've never had issues with neighbors and music - however I did have an awful neighbor (thankfully now ex-neighbor) who used to pound on the walls when our children were playing in the house. Nothing unreasonable, just 4 in the afternoon and kids running about together having fun. Made the whole family miserable for months on end until they finally moved out. Basically - there are some neighbors who simply have no tolerance for other people living life around them and councils are supposed to be a mechanism to filter out petty or vindictive noise complaints. Shame to see something so daft get so far, but well done Fiona for calling it out and staying positive.
I've literally had the thought bouncing around my head the past few days about how excruciating unbearable it would be for Mr to live in a reality without music. Appalling is the most apt descriptor for this situation.
I play guitars for a living and I have got to offer some kind of counterpoint to this. When I rehearse electric lead or bass I use a processor and headphones or I would honestly drive everyone within earshot completely insane. When you're learning new stuff or preparing for something you are often playing very repetitively and sometimes messing it up. There are absolutely ways that could become really annoying even if you it's pretty background. You would want to be VERY careful about exactly what sort of noise was being made and how okay you thought it was, and you can't really do that by listening to someone's half baked cellphone recording of it. I live in an end of terrace house just outside London and I am super aware of not becoming an absolute bane of my neighbours. This really does sound like someone was being a bit mad and I have total sympathy if that's the case but honestly, you have to be really careful. A dripping tap is not loud but it can drive you nuts. I don't know what the situation was here and I suspect most people commenting don't either.
Only musician in here that makes sense. Lol amazed she doesn't have a sound room or at least barriers. She clearly must be suffering loudness intensity hearing loss too. She admits to singing playing at 75 to 85 db which is LOL concert hall music auditorium levels at the mid focal point. To her she probably thinks her singing isnt much louder than talking. She also doesn't know the db scale or what db really means physics wise especially the kinitic energy levels being delivered to the ear drum and that higher frequency delivers more total energy. Its not about what type of sound being made either as she arguesits not death metal. Lol bass and growls are irritating to most but are lower frequency so do a lot less overall damage in same amount of time versus higher. This ius why most of us lose our highest fq ranges of hearing as get older and why bass irritates us even more so. Nice of you to consider such things as type of noise you're making too but in end its just the noise levels how long one is subject to them and frequency. Thanks for not being selfish like her, the host, and most other musicians making comments.
Solution obvious. She needs to wear headphones etc like you or make a sound room singing booth etc. She can easily acquire soundproof board or even just blanket walls floors ceiling in her music room. Lol there even the egg carton sound proofing method. Fact is one cannot call oneself a professional musician unless know about and have such things.
@@terryarmbruster9719 Sure. Though to be fair you can't rehearse acoustic instruments on headphones. You can't rehearse acoustic guitar on headphones, or trumpet or sing or whatever it is you do. All you can do is sit in a booth which is not much fun. It's a tricky one.
@@Kerynastabut you can rehearse in one of the 1000’s of rehearsal rooms in London for as long or as little as you want. You would also supporting your local small business music scene and not annoying your neighbours with an f-ing piano and a tuba! 😂 those are ridiculous instruments to play in a London city flat!
I had a very similar thing happen to me. I almost took my landlord to court but apparently i didn't have a case. So i had to break my lease early and move out. It screwed me financially for awhile but ill be damned if imma pay my rent and other bills on time every month and be told i cant do what i do in my space that im paying for.
Seems like if shes renting she should sue the landlord. If the noise is such an issue the unit is not suitable for habitation as there is an invasion of privacy for profit.
Hey, don't forget something most important : this goes both ways! As soon as you hear the softest,smallest noise from your neighbors, serve them with the same medicine they used for you!
I have always played the trombone in my apartment with a practice mute, I'm paranoid about how loud this horn can be. I finally reached the point of just practicing in my car in a big parking lot, away from any residential setting, for the joy of being able to play openly.
How do you practise trombone in your car? What kind of car do you have??? Cos when my slide is extended to 7th position, the total length of my trombone is 6 feet 3 inches.
@@ktang001 I drive a 2013 Ford Taurus sedan and play a Bach 12 (.500 small bore horn, 5'11" with tuning slide fully extended). I usually sit in the driver's seat, facing the passenger seat floor, the tuning slide tilted toward top/back of driver's side door, outer slide going diagonally toward bottom/front of passenger side door. It works, granted I keep the tuning slide retracted and I generally don't utilize 7th position much. I have about an inch of wiggle room remaining with the horn fully extended. Sitting in the backseat though - with the slide going between both front seats - is much better overall for space, ergonomics, and longer practice sessions.
Just signed, as a musician, the idea that someone can restrict one of the few things I enjoy and believe I am good at sickens me to my core. I hope she wins this ludicrous attack on her rights!
Neighbors kept calling on me. Cops told them to quit and they blasted a whitesnake cd on repeat for 5 months straight. They finally gave up. But it was like living in gitmo for 5 months. I don't even play loud. They just called the cops every time they saw cars in my driveway. This is not about noise. Because if it was they wouldn't torture themselves and I with a stereo. This is about control. They are miserable people who only want to make others miserable.
A pianist used to live just above me. I could hear her playing, she rehearsed daily and I didn't mind, because I used to sing everyday as well. Both of us tried to do that during daytime and nobody complained. It got much harder when I moved to Montenegro, they build houses with poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbours sneezing. Again, nobody complained, but I couldn't make myself to sing loud. Now I occasionally play the guitar and sing at home, but prefer to use the rehearsal room in the National public library. I've signed the petition, but I think the issue of noise is not as simple as allowing everyone to play all they want. There should be mutual respect and some conventions.
I once lived in a coach house apartment that had 2 units. There was this French guy who lived below me named Sol, and he taught drums for a living. From his apartment. So all day long it was Sol and his students drumming. I never complained about it, I didn't care. But the issue is as soon as Sol was done drumming for the day he'd get upset if he could hear my stereo, and he'd call the landlord complaining. As I explained to the landlord it's pretty hypocritical of Sol to complain about my stereo when he literally drums in his apartment all day long. The landlord agreed and thought Sol's complaints were ridiculous, Sol finally moved out a few years later and I lived there for another 8 years without complaints from any of the other people below me. Sol was a special kind of a-hole.
I've been going through this since 2010, people in the building where I lived complained about the noise of my acoustic guitar even without an amplifier at day time, but when there was some people banging a hammer on the wall, screaming of euphoria about some soccer game late night or even a jackhammer fixing something on the street, nobody said a thing . I moved countless times, and sadly stopped playing. Now i can only hope that my kids or grandkids would have the choice to play at least an acoustic guitar freely in the future.
thankfully I live in Brazil, where the law states that your noise can not surpasse 80 decibels at the neighbors house, theoretically you can make more noise if you can contain it enough (although after the 22:00 you cannot make any more noise, at all, till 6am)
This IS NOT unusual in my experience. Unfortunately, it’s not about the music to the neighbor. It’s power fueled by jealousy and obsession… No governing body wants to be in those crosshairs, and musicians are easy targets as we are accommodating and are presumed to be ‘noisy’. I’m in a similar situation with a new neighbor below me. It’s eerily similar.
That's right is not about they can't make a nap in the evening or want to listen to the birds or somthing. But is because you are enjoing yourself that is bothering them. I had the same experience and I tried to listen tu music softer and softer but it didn't matter they always got angry. It's then that I realized, it's not about me, but they had a problem and they just needed someone to spill their beens on to. And my neighbours are on the other side of the street at a considerate distance between us.
@@xdoctorblindx You understand they didn't start with the gas chambers. It's done in very small steps, slowly to take away your freedoms but you may not be able to comprehend the big picture from a very specific issue but I can. Enjoy your day fascist.
This is why musicians live in a cottage to hone their craft. But how do struggling musicians find and afford a cottage with rising costs/mortgage/rent? This is always my fear - neighbours complaining, thus I have stopped playing many instruments. Thanks for airing this.
This makes me so very, very, very, very angry! How effin' effed up is this? Are they completely mental? Music is medicine for the soul. What has this world come to where not even this most important of creative expression is allowed anymore. Absolutely unbelievable!
I drive a shuttle bus and whenever I see a musical instrument I offer them a safer place than the luggage trailer. We must look after musicians, bc musicians look after our soul.
@sMansGuitars I mostly agree with you on rap, however there is one rap song I know song that transcends music to become a piece of art. That song is “Hi Ren”. Warning. Hi Ren is about mental health and it evokes strong emotional feelings, so only watch with some emotional support at hand, such as your pet, teddy or other quiet companion. And make sure you have the 10 minutes free to listen to it in its entirety. Hi Ren makes me shed a tear every time I watch it.
Obviously its lies lol she's a loud careless shitty neighbour who regularly wakes upo kids adn deafens the elderly, and has NO SHAME ABOUT It when challenged. Shameful lack of honesty. She's pathetic and sad, I think her neighbours should write to her via lawyers. That will get her to shut the hell up again.
I am a drummer from Massachusetts. Growing up, i had a neighbor who called the cops on me for like 10 years straight. Probably about 100 times. One time, the cop had a decibel meter and from the woman's house, i was in a normal, acceptable range. The cops usually were cool and totally understood. She even took me to court. But by the time i got into court (i can't remember but i think there was some kind of mediation first), i told them that i was moving in a week anyway (that was just by coincidence) so we all agreed to just wait til i left. She was affectionately known as "the bitch across the street". Yes, she sucked. Yes, it broke my heart. But as i got older, i definitely got more sympathy for her. My family was renting an apartment (keep in mind that no one in the apartment minded) but she was living in a house that she paid for. A lot of the times, i was having band practice and was probably pretty loud. I kind of feel bad for it now because it really bothered her and imagine buying a house only to be a prisoner there. I'm definitely on team musician here but to some people, it really is just noise. And remember, they aren't the one getting the enjoyment and therapeutic experience from it. I know I'm all over the place but it's not a simple as we'd like to think. I'd definitely feel more guilt over it as i got older. Try to work out a solution if its possible if you are going through this.
Thank you. I'm a guitar player with large loud amps. I've certainly been a nuisance without realizing it and now I ALWAYS practice with my headphones.. and I own an actual house where my neighbors aren't anywhere near me. Believe it or not but no one cares that youre a musician.. once I realized that I had a much more realistic perspective on life.
So is sleep, so is being able to live a normal life without disturbance, there are two sides to these things. Given the choice between air and music, you choose air.
I play electric guitar daily. I live in terraced housing, so neighbours both sides. I simply use headphones. I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but it works for me and my neighbours.
As a musician who lives alone and practices from home I have always lived in small cottages and tiny houses. That's the only way I can freely make music with out bothering people or attracting complaints from neighbors.
I am also a muso and play guitar. I am very aware that many people can be annoyed be the sound of unwanted music. I practice with an unplugged electric guitar. I always respect others and try not to enforce the sound of my music on others. I notice over the years of gigging that audiences respond better to lower volumes and stay longer to listen to a gentle quality sound.
Yes. I also play either acoustic guitar or unplugged electric. I think of my neighbours. I've had terrible noisy neighbours on the past, so know what it's like.
Tolerant societies and communities prosper. Intolerant societies and communities go the other way. Especially shutting down the arts. This is a clear sign of the growing sickness that pervades the UK and the other Western democracies at the moment.
This is such good news! Maybe I can issue a Noise abatement thingy my neighbours who cannot communicate without shouting all the time, and the others whose poor dog barks from 9.00 am until 10.00 p.m then I might be able to record a video in my conservatory playing my fingerstyle acoustic.
If it's anything like NZ the authorities will allow all levels of sub bass leakage from stereo systems, allow virtually any level of construction noise, almost level of modified exhaust systems (boy-racer muffler systems on cars) with no recourse for sufferers. Play a bit of Bach on the street corner with a classical guitar, well, watch out.
Thats why you have no problems. You live in Canada so the guy below her cant hear you. Give him a chance though. When he finds out about you you're done as well mate. LOL
Signed straight away, I’m shocked about this, being a musician myself and having recently fallen out with my neighbour over a different problem this story really scares me. I feel so sorry for Fiona. I really hope you have better luck if you change your address.
I dont undertstand how they can threaten to take away her instruments when she plays them, but my neighbours play loud music late at night and my council cant do anything about it?
I’m super keen on making our cities quieter, I’m also realistic about how we have to be more tolerant when we choose to live this close together. What if the noise was made by a baby or child just being generally loud, rather than by an adult with an instrument? Would that have caused the same issues? I’d have been tempted to play a 10 hour playlist of kids screaming to test what is allowed. Scumbag neighbours.
This was a clause in my contract at the last place I rented - play no music or instruments at all. I was even expected to do anything that made any noise only on Sunday, so playing music, doing washing, DIY, I was expected to have to get done on one day of the week.
I wouldn't be renting that place, I also like my quiet time in the evening, but life is for living and some daytime noise is acceptable! No music? How drab their life must be!
Playing music is a gift to the heart. When the law takes that gift away ,that is taking away a person's soul. I have never heard this lady perform. But I do feel for her. I've been in shoes like this before. It's not fun. I hope she gets her gear back and yes my prayers go out to her.
The authorities never go after the thugs playing dance music at 130 decibels, with homes stuffed full of people charging and jumping around drunk, and making the neighbours literally suicidal in their own homes. They instead go after easy targets like Fiona, who just want to do their music at quiet times of the day and at low volumes / no bass etc.
She hasn't lost any gear, it was a threat, she should go and get a cheap as chips sound system on a timer, and then move out, few days later around 10pm BINGO, Metallica nice and loud
This definitely requires her to get an attorney. I would consider the action of the police a crime against humanity. My suggestion is for her to move out here to Hollywood and bring your musical instruments and play and create as much as you want! We would welcome you!
Same! Dealing with a neighbours dog that barks and barks and barks and barks from 10pm through until 4am. If someone is continually making noise above an acceptable volume then yeah it needs addressing. It's easy to paint this one-sided from the musicians perspective, but they know what they're doing, they know it's not nice when someone plays loud music every day. Once in a while, every few days for an hour or two, sure. Every day, all day? Nah not cool. Rent a studio!
@@ronalddhs3726 nope you're a neek. Get earplugs, or you move. Music practice is essential and for some people this is a serious career. If you know than you know; stopping a musician from playing is like having horses stomp on there hands.
@@angryherbalgerbil Every few days for an hour or so? So when you want to practice something for your job, how long should you be allowed to do so? Get earplugs mate, and chill-out. Your choice to live in a block of flats in an urban environment. You want peace, find a place in the country where there is some distance between houses. Jeez people like you get lockdowns and poison pokes put in place.
I'm a guitar playing gardener. The government have issued a consultation paper to ban some garden tools sickles and billhooks, both of which I use. I can't believe they are considering taking these from me, but taking my 'axe' would be the final straw!!
@@AR-mu4zq The consultation on the tools closed on 6th of June, it'll just be a matter of waiting now. Music (and anything) can be banned under noise abatement law, what is considered too loud or repetitive I'm not sure. To be honest I find the BS from this government too loud and repetitive.
Andy, you need to unleash Henning and the entire Gear Street crew (the Avengers of tone)! If anyone could annoy a British Council into doing the right thing, it's Henning!
I live in Slovakia. 0600-2200 you can make noise in your home. 2200-0600 you can't. Now I am a shift worker so I get that day time noise can impact rest if you have come off working all night.And it's not fun having been up all night, fall into bed and someone starts drilling etc. This comes down to agreement and discussion with neighbours. I make sure I only play guitar in the afternoon only. As musicians we need to be able to play but also be considerate. Communication is everything.
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs Seem like an absurd dismissal, if everyone in a country agreed how things should be done there would be no need to vote. Minorities don't exist I guess, only majorities.
@@marcm2277 America was built on the idea of individual liberty, that's what made "America" great for so long, but we've lost that now!! Now it's all about the "majority" and "voting"! The worst communist/dictatorship that's ever been known to human kind is heading our way, World wide, and "we all" let it happen!! If the people of Britain (and everyone all over the planet) don't start protecting each others liberties, there won't be any left for any one of us!! We all better start getting our shit together or it will be 100x worse than anything the book 1984 ever portrayed!!
I've had noisy neighbours before and it's very difficult to get the council to do anything. The allowed noise threshold is pretty high. If you're a musician you can use headphones and if you want to crank up your amps etc.. then go to a studio or soundproof your house so neighbours can't hear it. I play guitar and bass and my neighbours never hear it.
I play multiple instruments in the privacy of my home. I can't imagine having to deal with this nonsense, especially something as tame as a low whistle.
My wife is a violin/viola teacher, who teaches from home and I have several guitars. We live in a Victorian terrace house. I'm hoping that Norwich City Council aren't backwards like Lewisham.
Signed!Im sure most people in flats have to put up with TVs on at all hours,people arguing,kids screaming and the rest of noise pollution,its a little bit of give and take.Practising/playing is essential and starting at 10:30 and ending at 14:30 is more then accommodating,this just sounds petty and as ac/dc once said a low whistle aint noise pollution!Good luck!
@@robinr22 Exactly, I can't believe there are actually people in this thread that think what she was doing was ok. Noise nuisance is like torture and should not be tolerated. Either sound-proof your space so it cannot be heard outside of it (very hard with most british places), or rent/borrow a practice space.
As a learner myself i just couldn't imagine being told i cant do what has helped me mentally as well as give me a passion in life. Im not the greatest player, and some could deam what i play is aggressive. But i respect my neighbours as im sure she does. Some people have hatred in their heart and will use that ego to use it in horrible ways like this. Im actually shocked this is real. Signed shared, never let them take music from us.
Can you imagine being threatened with a large fine for, reading ? or painting, or using a computer ? We all have hobbies, and playing an instrument is to a lot of people a hobby. This is another example of eroded freedom. IT HAS TO STOP.
Erm, noone can hear you outside your home looking at paintings, or reading and if you're playing loud FPSs on the computer I would hope people would complain about the gunfire.
@@secretchefcollective444 If you were doing so late in the evening, or at night, then yes, however, as long as it is in the day time, when people may be digging up roads with a backhoe, loud trucks driving around etc, why would you complain about a piano ?
@@terryhayward7905 No this is totally wrong. Time of day is irrelevant - some people work shifts or have young babies, some people like to enjoy their peace and quiet in the early morning or late afternoon. We're not talking about a short period of construction or maintenance work (I'd include DIY in that), we're talking prolonged regular interruptions to every day life.
This rings familiar... *_My father was a musician in stalingrad. During the german occupation, the sound of his violin filled the air with magnificent music. To my countrymen, it was a symbol of hope. To the germans, it was a symbol of defiance. The nazis slit his throat while he slept. Today, the flag may be different, but the methods are all the same._* Germany invaded Britain, its just that no one knew it yet.
I'm sure it all comes down to how much noise you make. I was a local heavy rock drummer/bass player back back in the late 80s through to the mid 90s in a very dense part ofthe city. when I moved into my house the first thing I did was thoroughly soundproof the outhouse in my tiny garden so the neighbours didn't have to suffer me and my band mates practising in it. never had the slightest inference of a complaint in the 15 years I was there. being considerate to others avoids so many issues in life.
@@neildobbs7278 People obsess over music too much. It’s one of many false idols. Same goes for sports, movies, entertainment. People worship those way too much.
@kevone You just confirmed in my mind that you’re an idolater. God should be your God, not music. And I’m disillusioned by music because how I see other people just worship music like it’s God. And it’s just disgusting to me.
As much as I feel sorry for Fiona and her situation. Having been through the process of noise complaints against local builders (Which I eventually received compensation), this video trivialises what is actually involved in getting a complaint to the point of a threat of fines and confiscating equipment. You are expected to keep a log of times, types of noise and even decibel levels, you are expected to communicate with whoever is producing the noise before the council will even get involved to come to a solution with them. It’s a long process to get anywhere. If practising and recording acoustic instruments at home is important to someone, then it’s a good idea to look for places better suited to this for somewhere to live or look into anything that can insulate sound.
Correction-there's are some neighbours who are tolerant but tolerance runs out. Note-tolerance means putting up with something not deserible/annoying, you will only realise what noise children make when you live with neighbours with their children.
I hadn't come across this story before, and I am appalled. I suppose, in London boroughs the tightly packed population means that your neighbours are a little closer to your music than out in the rest of the country, but she wasn't playing anything particularly obtrusive, or at unsociable hours. This young woman's livelihood and passion has been denied her. I'm off to sign right now!!!! Keep up the fight Fiona, we're with you!
To a degree I can kinda see both sides to this. If you say work from home and your neighbour is making enough noise that it is disturbing you working, I can see how that would be annoying. I can also see how you'd want to do your own thing in your home, even singing (I'd love to see them take that instrument away 🙂). Fortunately, I've never had a problem practising my instruments, but it could happen. Playing Devil's advocate here though, isn't the onus on the person that is disturbing others not do so. Therefore, as there are many ways to soundproof (at least significantly reduce sound output) a room, for example sound deadening materials applied to walls and floors, that can be done professionally for a few hundred. I know of voice actors who have small sound booths setup in their garages that are almost completely soundproof. Surely you can take mitigating action to not disturb your neighbours, no matter how winey and entitled they are.
This sort of thing is particularly upsetting when I think about how far I went to ensure that I would cause minimal disruption to neighbours because of music when buying a flat recently. I knew we weren't going to be able to afford anything huge but still, I only considered places which either had an outbuilding where I could practice, or a room with at least 2 walls between me and the neighbours (and that's surprisingly hard to find). I found one, and now I'm in it I'm so pleased with how it's turned out, music is quiet even within the apartment, which is 2 level, and when someone is downstairs apparently music only comes through very softly, so I'm confident it must be very quiet for the neighbours. But to think that there might be neighbours bothered by even the slightest bit of noise from next door which could try to enforce such a ridiculous order, and that this order would be both legal and hard to fight is just intolerable.
SOunds like you give a damn. Well done. I spent £1000 building a sound cell in my garage. WOuld have cost £8000 but I did all the work myself. I respect other people's right to quiet enjoy meant of their space.
its tough but i actually agree with this, i've had people playing guitars for 3 hours straight either on their amp or even acoustic, its a pain in the ass, remember that just as you have to right to peace and quiet, so do we. I like playing the guitar but i play it silently, if i want to play the acoustic i go to a jam room or a friend who lives in a detached, its rough but unfortunately we have to respect others right to peace and quiet.
Help stop this madness!
Sign the petition here - bit.ly/3VYvOH4
Listen to Fiona's encounter with Lewisham Council - th-cam.com/video/gIQ-if1xm7U/w-d-xo.html
Signed. Music geeks unite! I feel like maybe you've struck a chord here (pardon the pun). I tried to leave a comment but had to delete it lol. Daytime music should be safe for any and all between the hours of 7am-9pm. If you can work with hammer and nail and saw at 7am, you can work with string and whistle. Good luck to Fiona!
There needs to be a legal challenge
@@robinr22 So how long have you lived next to her?
@@robinr22 Agree 100%
Signing now and as a musician myself for decades. I will NOT have someone take what I pay for hat alone in my own HOME! Could be much more worse .. people, murdering people or the IDK crime or anything else that is far more dangerous than someone playing their musical instruments.. what is wrong with this world and the law.
Imagine if the fine people at the UK police force would treat human trafficking and knife assaults with the same extreme prejudice...
Sooo true!
@Rosencrantz&Guildenstern:
You don't get it: Music is noise pollution, the other stuff you mentioned is the "cultural enrichment" we all should embrace.
C'mon - just overcome your cultural chauvinism and xenophobia. ;-)
@@latinumbavariae I stand corrected - nay, enlightened! Thank you so much for opening my cilthy cishet white eyes, I shall donate all my possessions unjustly gain through my privileges to BLM and flog myself with a neon pink dildo while saying 69 Hail Dworkins in repentance!
...or pedophiles... just saying.
not the police in this case, but the council, and councils care even less than the police
I'm in the USA... My next-door neighbor does woodworking and metalworking projects.... it generates loud sounds. I fix my car, play the drums........stuff that makes noise. We talked about it, and decided that 9:30 PM was the "stop time" for loud noise. We have NEVER had issues. I am thankful for my noisy neighbor, who I was able to come to an agreement with.
Im actually thankful to live in an apartment complex that ACTUALLY enforces noise complaints. We have a 3 strike rule here and noise stops at 10pm and starts at 8 am.
@@SleepingLionsProductions If there's a reasonable policy of when quiet time is... and they aren't mental about some daytime noise, it should be cool.
"This is the way..." and seriously, job well done in my opinion. How you handled that similar to a situ I had in Scotland.
Yes my neighbour did some works in an outbuilding and it was noisy for a couple of months, now he is doing works inside the house, what are you gonna do about it.
We know each other, he is cool, I am cool, what's the point, then again I make noise sometimes?
Some people have too much time on their hands, and god knows what else.
That's beautiful
One should be able to lodge a complaint against neighbours who lodge frivolous complaints.
How do you know it was frivolous?
@@onlybugwit The girl obviously did her best to miminmize discomfort for her neighbours.
😂 "I dunno... Yeah... Everyone's house burned down but mine."
There IS a way though. "I heard a sound coming from their apartment and we can't have that now can we. Go kick in their doors and take all their shit! Fine them 5 grand while you're at it!"
You can it's harassment
''it's a house, not a studio, you shouldn't be practicing here''
I promise you, if you show up to a session at the studio and start practicing, they will tell you the exacct opposite.
people don't understand that musicians need to practice their individual piece at home before stepping into the studio because the studio is for practicing with the band and with the whole arrangement.
@@dominicijavier1575 the studio is for recording...
@@ireliaismyheroine5366 not just recording. i'm a musician.....idiot
@@ireliaismyheroine5366 Yes a recording studio is for recording. But a rehearsal studio is for rehearsing
@@munchyman6898 True
When i lived in california i rented a house and every other day a woman would practice her singing she was an opera singer my wife and i always sat out on the patio have a couple drinks and listen to this womans beautiful voice it was a treasure and a gift it always lifted our spirits.
Imagine trying to "confiscate" HER musical instrument!
But what if she's not very good?
How long would you enjoy it then? Practising several hours every day not getting any better... How long can you put up with it?
@Qettesh interesting idea...
Exactly that's what id have done too man! Talent is beautiful i love seeing skill any skill painting music comedy anything exceptional
@@bwellman1953 haha,
This is really sad to hear Andy. When I lived in an apartment, one of the neighbors complained anytime I played music in my apartment...didn't matter what the volume was. Yet their children ran around screaming and pounding on the floor and that was ok! To get back at them, all of the other apartments joined me in a building block party, tuned our stereos into the same rock radio station and had a party on a Saturday with out inviting them! We made our point. Today, I am fortunate to live in my own house on 10 acres...nobody complains anymore!
Bill, keep the bloody noise down mate, I'm trying to sleep (in Australia).
@@jamescameron2156 Sorry James, had my amp up to 11, I'll turn it down. 🤣
@@jamescameron2156 oi! You keep the noise down ill promise Ill buy a copy of Avatar 2
@@francistaylor1822 WooHoo! Someone is finally interested in (maybe) buying a copy of Avatar 2.
This is why immigration is such a bad idea, as it swallows up land and resources that could be used to build a lot more detached houses, instead of endless apartments and semi-detached that are useless for those wanting privacy and to enjoy playing music etc. That and greedy property developers building concrete jungles, and pack everyone together like sardines in a living hell.
Not having neighbors, is the key to having peace.
BINGO
Not having a government that thinks they can boss everyone around at a whim is even more key.
@@WessStewart Good comment, and true.
@@WessStewart - This is so true. Now I'm told : It's good that you participate in live music, do not drink and drive to get out amongst it. But If you have to be prescribed painkillers and drive on them, you are still being a reckless criminal - if you get caught. It's as if it's equally recreational to ease the pain of Arthritis [like a dry drunk @ 'Party-gate'], all whilst trying to function as a musician, on the road. Totally arbitrary in my opinion.
@@JumperSig Correct abbreviation it "etc." not "ect".
I was forced out of an apartment due to a neighbor demanding that I stop playing. Didn't matter when, didn't matter how quiet I was able to keep it. This was the same neighbor who was throwing wild parties at 3 AM on weeknights. Yet somehow the property manager sided with my neighbor. It's worse to practice your acoustic guitar at 3 in the afternoon than it is to throw drunken parties and blast music and yell and scream at 3AM.
City life has become downright hostile to musicians here in the states, especially in recent years. It's one of the reasons I moved out of the city to a small town. Now my neighbors complain because they can't hear me good enough.
Glad I live in Canada...we were jamming once,a neighbor complained to police,they show up at my door step and asked us to play,they requested sweet emotion,then told the neighbor that we were allowed to play till 11pm😂
I’m sorry Trudeau put down your trucker protest last year. Your southern neighbors were cheering for y’all!
That's just being inconsiderate. I'd probably take matters into my own hands if someone refused to stop being loud until 11pm. Thata ridiculous. You should need a permit. Other people live there and you think you're so fucking special.
I live in ohio and I have band practice twice a week in my basement. It's hard rock and metal too. Lol. No one ever says anything because they can't! It's my fundamental right to be as loud as I want during the day.😂
You live in a sh!t hole...
Don't be too smug. Canada, NZ, Australia, the Netherlands, and the UK are in a race to see who can attain Totaltarianism first. I think the UK may be pulling ahead this month.
I signed her petition a couple of weeks ago. This city council is fekking ridiculous. I don't know if signatures from outside the UK count, but I passed on the petition to all my music friends anyway. Thanks for spreading the news, Andy!
Good thing, The Beatles didn't live in that area, John Paul George and Ringo. kinda wonder if they would have complied.
I would like to hear their side of the story before making such a statement. The correct procedure would have been to go measure the noise levels during rehearsals and have a look at what the law says and/or what the "flat complex" rules - which can appear more unreasonable than the laws (often pets will not be allowed) - says. If done properly, they would be in the right to threaten with fines. If you don't like it at this point, then start advocating for having the laws changed. And if you missed the fine print in the lease contract about horrible noise rules, that's also on you as a renter and you're the one that should move. If this is just a favor move from the council, then yes I would agree - ridiculous and would probably not be legal if it went to the court system and they couldn't document measured noise levels against the law.
Meanwhile the call to prayer is perfectly acceptable.
One of the pleasures of walking through the neighborhoods where I live is hearing music being practiced on various instruments. The UK has become an insane police state.
Disarmed people are subjects. Armed people are citizens.
@@manictiger then why is the USA one of the most insane police states in the world? the USA has the highest incaraceration rate in the world. on top of that, you also have the wild housing associations where youll get in serious trouble for not maintaining a particular height of grass lmao. some "freedom".
US is the same way though
@@travisbarker5175 Only leftist (Democrat) controlled cities and VERY "deep-blue" states. The rest of the U.S. doesn't have this problem.
Yhea I was going to live in the uk then I thought no uk falling down fast uk is not a united Kingdom and u can keep it
Signed.
I had years of harassment from my next door neighbour, who would complain to the council (Milton Keynes) about imaginary problems. Although she was known to be a serial complainer, the council took her side every time. They would just send me a threatening letter without ever asking my side of it. It seems Lewisham Council are just as incompetent, and it also seems Fiona Fey's neighbour is using the council to harass her.
Youre fos. Council doesn't send such letters unless police confirm it and or others complained to them.
@@terryarmbruster9719 Time you stopped living at your mum's and got out into the real world... Oh, wait, shouldn't you be at school? I think you are supposed to be doing "colouring in" today! 😃
Keep music ALIVE and live. It sounds like real music is no longer recognised for the infinitely commendable and valuable gift it is.
Seems Councils everywhere are becoming drunk with power and no longer have the public interest at heart.
They need to be consigned to the history bin or at the very least have their powers dramatically reduced.
This takes 1st place in my "What a load of Bollocks" list for this week.😡
The time is definitely coming for us peasants to be revolting it seems.🤔
and yet all we do is keep on putting the same Little Napoleon's back into office. And then complaining on the internet when they start acting like untouchables, which is what we've made them.
Go figure.
My local city council cut a shed load of trees down that were perfectly fine and had been for years! Total idiocy 🤦
You wouldn't say that if it was the flat above yours.
Sounds like "par for the course" for these power-hungry councils. How about testing the sound level from the neighbor's pace, and if it is under the sound pressure level, deny the complaint. The neighbors sound like they don't have kids with their noise.
@@onlybugwit But it isnt though. And, I as a musician and songwriter have not only a flat but a full home recording set up in mine, and its a case of working sensitively around my neighbours. By the same token, my local council are not as loony as Lewisham have a record for being.
I'm Swiss but I signed the petition anyway, not knowing if that's gonna make a difference but you got my total support. This situation is utterly ridiculous and mind blowing. I got the total impression to be in Farenheit 451. It's a distopian reality.
Stell dir vor so es schildbürger gsetz ide schwiiz
Actually, disturbing neighbours with noise is illegal and should be punished.
@@ctr289 You should be punished for saying stuff like that, severely. There are certain hours within the day that you are not permitted and these are 3pm to 5pm and 11pm to 7am.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 No, those are the hours when the punishment is greater, but in fact you can't make noises repeatedly at any hour, people have the right to live without torment, it's not guantanamo bay prison, it's an apartment meant for normal living.
@@ctr289 in the US thankfully, youd be shot for even recommending that
It will only get worse if you let them do this. 2020-2023 has been a real test of people's capacity to object to tyranny.
yeah and everyone is SICK OF IT
Spot on!
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2023 has been another year of entitled brats wanting to do as they want or people get cancelled, people are so damn selfish and self important that they think it`s ok to ruin other people`s lives becayse "they want" to do someting.
Pathetic, find a cheaper place to live and get a place to play music as people have done for generations.
Whiny brats.
@@BURN_SHITTUBE Sick of it, but we're being so controlled by higher ups that we keep allowing these things
A locality in my state, Henrico County, Virginia, USA passed an ordinance a few years ago. It addresses excessive noise coming from inside the home during the day. Nothing about outside, but specifically noise from inside the home. I can only imagine it targets bands and musicians practicing in their home. Silliness.
You are in the US. We have rights here. I'd guess that ordinance is unconstitutional and wouldn't stand up to a lawsuit.
also a Henrico resident. it's in response to the people trying to talk to whales and submarines with their overwhelming bass speakers, if I can FEEL it in my house from fifty yards away it's too loud
Virginia has always been over policed.
Time to practice chainsaw carving in your front yard 24/7
I think that was most likely targeted at people blasting loud Bass tunes out of their house all day, shaking everyone elses house. Seems more prevalent than hearing band/musicians playing or practicing in a house these days, at least where I live in Northern Virginia
Imagine how poor the world would be without music and musicians
Just listen to any mainstream chart.
I'd rather not imagine such horror! :/
won't have to imagine at this rate.
@Ina ggg agree
That is the idea... Demoralization.
I'm a guitarist, I'd question the legality of this. I've signed Fiona's petition.
Same
You don’t have Muslims controlling your country and slowly changing laws, do you?
We have one as the mayor of London, one as prime minister and one as Scotlands first minister…….The Scottish one is the worst, as he’s trying to get a new law passed, that means an automatic 7 year prison sentence….For having a meme in your phone, that him or someone else finds offensive.
@@Acheron666 What country did you think I was from? The surname should give it away as being from 🏴. So yes, I do know. And, he won't be in long, we'll turf that lot out in the next Scottish elections. Just Hope liebour don't get in,, they've got one in Sarwar too.
@@derekporter7658
Porter is a common name in the USA as well……And I’m not psychic.
@@Acheron666 true, Scots did migrate!
Goes both ways - we have a neighbours quite near us… they play in pubs around the area… but often practice VERY LOUDLY from lunch to midnight and beyond, with very big speakers …. There are families with disabled kids who get triggered by noise, there are shift workers who need to sleep, there are elderly people, some with serious health issues, some dying. The music is repetitive, they’re not great singers, turning up the volume presumably thinking that makes them sound better (?). There are sound recording & practice studios for rent in the area, and musicians could /should build themselves a sound hub/pod to practice in …. Or get their local government to provide more space !!!
That is appalling and truly terrifying. What absolute c***s. This cannot go on
I used to live in a studio apartment, and the landowner told me to not play any instrument. I'm a bass player and just quit playing for the time I lived there. Then I moved back to my old place and never had a single complaint about playing guitar/bass or loud music. In a building, surrounded by apartments. But, Serbian law lets me play loudly in the daytime, except for the break time that is 16:00 to 18:00
I just play with headphones 🤷🏽♂️
that kind of crazy becuause if play electric guitar with head phones no one will know because it so quiet.
I have signed and shared the petition. Completely outrageous from Lewisham Council.
Alpha dog till he starts fawning over Lance. Turning into fanboy. Appologising to Lance about his Napalm screwin up the surf. Yeah, Alpha dog poser. The usa in microcosm.
Thank goodness as someone who values peace in my house . I don’t want to hear anything from next door, noise, dogs, tv anything. I am totally on side with the neighbours.
I wonder what would happen if she took the music outside seeing they were telling her she can no longer play inside.
Evil people can't stand ,'positive ,creative people' ...
Harmony is their enemy....
Shine on you crazy diamond...
🌟💖
Rotten eggs? 🥚🧟♂️ Glitterbomb with added stink-siren functionality? 📦🎉🔊
So it's evil to be bothered by loud sounds coming from the neighbor? I would have some tolerance, but I don't know how loud she was or how much the sound is getting through. She should just buy a soundproofing booth, that way she can be as loud as she likes, and the neighbors wouldn't hear a thing.
@@danfg7215 That was only a joke, as I'm rather quiet myself and also quiet liking person. I'm not bothered by "normal sounds of life" but I'd probably resent being constantly exposed to loud music. And I totally hate my neighbours almost constantly screaming at their kid. For me that's 💯 a subject to report.
@@danfg7215 She literally said she did what she could to soundproof her practice area and move it as far away from the neighbour as possible. She also mentioned her instrument plays at round 80dbs, which is about as loud as the volume of a single passing car. Could you imagine being able to threaten a fine and the seizure of the cars of everyone who dare drive past your house and disturb you with their noise? It's a similar level of BS.
This is just crazy and I feel for her 100% as someone that plays music everyday in my studio I would be lost without being able to play music on a daily basis. This is also why I bought my own home out in the country away from people so I can play as much as I want as loud as I want without dealing with crazy neighbors causing me these kind of problems.
I hope she can find a better place to live so she can get back to practicing and playing like she wants and needs to I wish her all the best.
Same here but I live right in the middle of a conservative small Midwest town that ain't to keen on load distorted guitars or people screaming over a loud pa system die!! Die!! die!!or if you play breaking the law by priest they come beating on the door well we don't answer it just keep on playing they'll eventually go away !it's rock and roll rebel against the establishment and authority if they say up you go down they say left we go right nothing's changed no matter what you do if you ain't following along with the other sheeple your going against the grain and they hate you anyways so fuck em! You want to be heard what better way than through a few thousand watts with a backing of loud bass and heavy guitars ! Double kik drums
I'm sure your neighbours were very relieved when you moved.
@@thegoldenpanther6986 actually my neighbors back in the day when I had neighbors used to sit out side and listen to my band practice and would request songs for us to play for them.
I’m 78 years old, and through the years I’ve had to put up with noisy neighbors with loud parties, etc. I now live in a 55 + neighborhood and I believe that I’ve earned the right to peace and quiet. I still play my guitar, but I don’t play obnoxiously sounding distortion. My house is well insulated with double pained glass, so there’s no way my neighbors can hear me. If you’re planning on playing music, especially in an apartment, plan ahead. Do your homework. Not everybody wants to hear other neighbors music etc. try to understand their needs and not just your own.
I'm Belgian.. I used to play jazz trumpet and played over 2hours a day at home....
Now i've been playing guitar for the past 10 yrs. My neighbors sometimes ask
me if i can put it louder because they can't hear the music....
I never play scales loud tho, i only play loud when it involves complete pieces
which i can already play fluently ..i do it to maintain them and improve them a little.
I do think practicing scales, it could be annoying for neighbors.
This is beyond upsetting, thank you for sharing the petition and Fiona's plight. I've signed and also subscribed to her youtube channel.
a neighbour complained about me playing recorded music. After a few complaints I asked if I could have a listen , the sound was so quiet I could just about hear it. As I left I said "I understand now". He called the council and they fitted his place with recording equipment , all they heard was bird song and cars and buses going by :-) he was nuts
That’s what should be done a. Noise monitoring exercise to access the noise levels and then decide if the level is reasonable or otherwise.
This is about more than just music… we are in trouble!
I would have thought the musicians union would be interested in this, if this lady were a member they might even provide her with legal help/representation.
@@creamwobbly PRS are only concerned with collecting royalties, nothing else.
Well, with respect, the Performing Rights Society are just doing what they’re supposed to do, collecting royalties (money in other words) for musicians; I cited the Musicians Union because it is they who stand up for us and our rights and interests.
My union just takes our money and gives it to politicians who sign laws that are destroying our industry. We are actually paying to be out outta work. Unions are obsolete today, they’re just as corrupt as the people they were originally supposed to protect the workers from.
They aren't against music, just LOUD music. You guys need to get a life.
That was my first thought. Get onto the Musician's Union who should take up her case both to defend her rights and to protect all other members.
I had a neighbour who had been complaining about noise for 9 years. .I lived there 2 years . The council said they keep no record of repeat complainers just take each new complaint on its own. This was 23 years ago in Bristol. He even complained when no one was home
That's the sort of neighbor that should be handled with a blunt instrument.
Unfortunately complainers put you right in the doo-doo, I had a council worker complain about the state of my flat, then unannounced the area housing officer called, I didn't answer the door and they are supposed to give you at least 24 hours notice, in this case they didn't. They still want to come and inspect, but we've got other issues at my flat block which I will raise with her, as I am feeling victimised, yet when she called there were two doors with broken glass in them (one has now completely shattered and just brushed under the stairs, we only have one working washing line in front of my block, pub picnic tables on the grass front and back plus other kid's playthings on the back, these that have done this also leave rubbish bags out in front of their flat. Then also we have got a mentally ill person who occasionally shouts at no-one, I just put up with it as it doesn't bother me too much, but just annoying that she must've seen the washing lines and doors when she came, yet nothing is done about it, don't get me started about the state of the pavements within a mile of my flat as some have nearly caused me ankle injuries/falls, yet our council are spending millions on bloody cycle lanes on the main road I live just off of, but nearer to the city centre than me, but can't repair pavements or resurface our car park either.
I had a neighbour who got threatened with a similar fine because he would play Bob Marley loud 12 hours a day. It got very irritating constantly hearing the same songs on loop and having no escape from it. Could hear it over my own music or TV. I don’t miss that month of Marleymania. Fortunately the threat put an end to it.
That's the point, we need to respect each others space.
‘Common sense’ is needed.
I mean playing something lout for 12 hours straight every yeah that’s annoying, but someone practicing an instrument for an hour a day? That shouldn’t be a problem. Some people are just annoying karen types…
There can be a fine line as to how an individual judges music as opposed to noise. Living in an apartment presents an additional challenge.
I, for one, hate amplified buskers.
Musicians should band together and gravitate to music-friendly buildings. If all the tenants are musicians who is to complain?
We need a rich famous musician to help her take the Council to Court.
I thought the same thing. This would never fly with Black Sabbath/Led Zeppelin/The Who/Pink Floyd.
@@MrMajikman1 They have their own studios away from anyone
@@laurenceweens650 Not when they first started
Thankfully I've never had issues with neighbors and music - however I did have an awful neighbor (thankfully now ex-neighbor) who used to pound on the walls when our children were playing in the house. Nothing unreasonable, just 4 in the afternoon and kids running about together having fun. Made the whole family miserable for months on end until they finally moved out. Basically - there are some neighbors who simply have no tolerance for other people living life around them and councils are supposed to be a mechanism to filter out petty or vindictive noise complaints. Shame to see something so daft get so far, but well done Fiona for calling it out and staying positive.
I've literally had the thought bouncing around my head the past few days about how excruciating unbearable it would be for Mr to live in a reality without music. Appalling is the most apt descriptor for this situation.
I play guitars for a living and I have got to offer some kind of counterpoint to this. When I rehearse electric lead or bass I use a processor and headphones or I would honestly drive everyone within earshot completely insane. When you're learning new stuff or preparing for something you are often playing very repetitively and sometimes messing it up. There are absolutely ways that could become really annoying even if you it's pretty background. You would want to be VERY careful about exactly what sort of noise was being made and how okay you thought it was, and you can't really do that by listening to someone's half baked cellphone recording of it. I live in an end of terrace house just outside London and I am super aware of not becoming an absolute bane of my neighbours. This really does sound like someone was being a bit mad and I have total sympathy if that's the case but honestly, you have to be really careful. A dripping tap is not loud but it can drive you nuts. I don't know what the situation was here and I suspect most people commenting don't either.
Come on thomann offer her an iso booth
Only musician in here that makes sense. Lol amazed she doesn't have a sound room or at least barriers. She clearly must be suffering loudness intensity hearing loss too. She admits to singing playing at 75 to 85 db which is LOL concert hall music auditorium levels at the mid focal point. To her she probably thinks her singing isnt much louder than talking. She also doesn't know the db scale or what db really means physics wise especially the kinitic energy levels being delivered to the ear drum and that higher frequency delivers more total energy. Its not about what type of sound being made either as she arguesits not death metal. Lol bass and growls are irritating to most but are lower frequency so do a lot less overall damage in same amount of time versus higher. This ius why most of us lose our highest fq ranges of hearing as get older and why bass irritates us even more so. Nice of you to consider such things as type of noise you're making too but in end its just the noise levels how long one is subject to them and frequency. Thanks for not being selfish like her, the host, and most other musicians making comments.
Solution obvious. She needs to wear headphones etc like you or make a sound room singing booth etc. She can easily acquire soundproof board or even just blanket walls floors ceiling in her music room. Lol there even the egg carton sound proofing method. Fact is one cannot call oneself a professional musician unless know about and have such things.
@@terryarmbruster9719 Sure. Though to be fair you can't rehearse acoustic instruments on headphones. You can't rehearse acoustic guitar on headphones, or trumpet or sing or whatever it is you do. All you can do is sit in a booth which is not much fun. It's a tricky one.
@@Kerynastabut you can rehearse in one of the 1000’s of rehearsal rooms in London for as long or as little as you want. You would also supporting your local small business music scene and not annoying your neighbours with an f-ing piano and a tuba! 😂 those are ridiculous instruments to play in a London city flat!
I had a very similar thing happen to me. I almost took my landlord to court but apparently i didn't have a case. So i had to break my lease early and move out. It screwed me financially for awhile but ill be damned if imma pay my rent and other bills on time every month and be told i cant do what i do in my space that im paying for.
So you disturbed others peace and got in trouble with your landlord so you try to go to court well I’m glad the court saw the problem.
The people in the other units next to yours also paid for their space. You can't disturb others in their space that they paid for.
Seems like if shes renting she should sue the landlord. If the noise is such an issue the unit is not suitable for habitation as there is an invasion of privacy for profit.
Hey, don't forget something most important : this goes both ways! As soon as you hear the softest,smallest noise from your neighbors, serve them with the same medicine they used for you!
Lessons in emotional immaturity 🥰
I have always played the trombone in my apartment with a practice mute, I'm paranoid about how loud this horn can be. I finally reached the point of just practicing in my car in a big parking lot, away from any residential setting, for the joy of being able to play openly.
How do you practise trombone in your car? What kind of car do you have??? Cos when my slide is extended to 7th position, the total length of my trombone is 6 feet 3 inches.
@@ktang001 I drive a 2013 Ford Taurus sedan and play a Bach 12 (.500 small bore horn, 5'11" with tuning slide fully extended). I usually sit in the driver's seat, facing the passenger seat floor, the tuning slide tilted toward top/back of driver's side door, outer slide going diagonally toward bottom/front of passenger side door. It works, granted I keep the tuning slide retracted and I generally don't utilize 7th position much. I have about an inch of wiggle room remaining with the horn fully extended. Sitting in the backseat though - with the slide going between both front seats - is much better overall for space, ergonomics, and longer practice sessions.
You must have a HUGE car?!
@@isuckatguitar6252 A family size sedan, about the size of a Toyota Camry or Nissan Maxima.
Just signed, as a musician, the idea that someone can restrict one of the few things I enjoy and believe I am good at sickens me to my core.
I hope she wins this ludicrous attack on her rights!
Neighbors kept calling on me. Cops told them to quit and they blasted a whitesnake cd on repeat for 5 months straight. They finally gave up. But it was like living in gitmo for 5 months. I don't even play loud. They just called the cops every time they saw cars in my driveway. This is not about noise. Because if it was they wouldn't torture themselves and I with a stereo. This is about control. They are miserable people who only want to make others miserable.
@@jonstapleton2340 Whitesnake is hawt.
@@maxalberts2003 Lol
A pianist used to live just above me. I could hear her playing, she rehearsed daily and I didn't mind, because I used to sing everyday as well. Both of us tried to do that during daytime and nobody complained. It got much harder when I moved to Montenegro, they build houses with poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbours sneezing. Again, nobody complained, but I couldn't make myself to sing loud. Now I occasionally play the guitar and sing at home, but prefer to use the rehearsal room in the National public library. I've signed the petition, but I think the issue of noise is not as simple as allowing everyone to play all they want. There should be mutual respect and some conventions.
I once lived in a coach house apartment that had 2 units. There was this French guy who lived below me named Sol, and he taught drums for a living. From his apartment. So all day long it was Sol and his students drumming. I never complained about it, I didn't care. But the issue is as soon as Sol was done drumming for the day he'd get upset if he could hear my stereo, and he'd call the landlord complaining. As I explained to the landlord it's pretty hypocritical of Sol to complain about my stereo when he literally drums in his apartment all day long. The landlord agreed and thought Sol's complaints were ridiculous, Sol finally moved out a few years later and I lived there for another 8 years without complaints from any of the other people below me. Sol was a special kind of a-hole.
I've been going through this since 2010, people in the building where I lived complained about the noise of my acoustic guitar even without an amplifier at day time, but when there was some people banging a hammer on the wall, screaming of euphoria about some soccer game late night or even a jackhammer fixing something on the street, nobody said a thing . I moved countless times, and sadly stopped playing. Now i can only hope that my kids or grandkids would have the choice to play at least an acoustic guitar freely in the future.
thankfully I live in Brazil, where the law states that your noise can not surpasse 80 decibels at the neighbors house, theoretically you can make more noise if you can contain it enough (although after the 22:00 you cannot make any more noise, at all, till 6am)
This IS NOT unusual in my experience. Unfortunately, it’s not about the music to the neighbor. It’s power fueled by jealousy and obsession…
No governing body wants to be in those crosshairs, and musicians are easy targets as we are accommodating and are presumed to be ‘noisy’. I’m in a similar situation with a new neighbor below me. It’s eerily similar.
That's right is not about they can't make a nap in the evening or want to listen to the birds or somthing.
But is because you are enjoing yourself that is bothering them.
I had the same experience and I tried to listen tu music softer and softer but it didn't matter they always got angry.
It's then that I realized, it's not about me, but they had a problem and they just needed someone to spill their beens on to.
And my neighbours are on the other side of the street at a considerate distance between us.
Get noise-recording equipment & keep a diary of every sound they make.
Then if they complain you are ahead of them.
It might just be the noise.
The State vs the Individual will be the greatest battle of the 21st century.
People vote for big government. Ok then. You got it.
Congratulations on managing to broadly politicize a very specific issue. Your ideology is dually noted.
@@xdoctorblindx You understand they didn't start with the gas chambers. It's done in very small steps, slowly to take away your freedoms but you may not be able to comprehend the big picture from a very specific issue but I can. Enjoy your day fascist.
@@MeTuLHeD Yep.... why do people love and believe government cares or wants to help them.... don't care where you live.... it truly doesn't.
Every time the people allow stupid laws or regulations to work, it matters... say no to overregulation as often as you can.
This is why musicians live in a cottage to hone their craft. But how do struggling musicians find and afford a cottage with rising costs/mortgage/rent? This is always my fear - neighbours complaining, thus I have stopped playing many instruments. Thanks for airing this.
Crapitalism
How absolutely ridiculous! These people need to get a life.
They do have a life. Unfortunately, they make their living by fucking people over.
This makes me so very, very, very, very angry! How effin' effed up is this? Are they completely mental? Music is medicine for the soul. What has this world come to where not even this most important of creative expression is allowed anymore. Absolutely unbelievable!
I drive a shuttle bus and whenever I see a musical instrument I offer them a safer place than the luggage trailer. We must look after musicians, bc musicians look after our soul.
Nicely put!
Thank you!
@sMansGuitars
I mostly agree with you on rap, however there is one rap song I know song that transcends music to become a piece of art.
That song is “Hi Ren”.
Warning. Hi Ren is about mental health and it evokes strong emotional feelings, so only watch with some emotional support at hand, such as your pet, teddy or other quiet companion. And make sure you have the 10 minutes free to listen to it in its entirety.
Hi Ren makes me shed a tear every time I watch it.
That is insane. I would take the council to court over this.
Not going to be cheap
@@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311 Neither's that flat to be fair
You'd lose.
Obviously its lies lol she's a loud careless shitty neighbour who regularly wakes upo kids adn deafens the elderly, and has NO SHAME ABOUT It when challenged. Shameful lack of honesty.
She's pathetic and sad, I think her neighbours should write to her via lawyers. That will get her to shut the hell up again.
Three Cheers for Lewisham council protecting the people that live their from sound pollution.
I am a drummer from Massachusetts. Growing up, i had a neighbor who called the cops on me for like 10 years straight. Probably about 100 times. One time, the cop had a decibel meter and from the woman's house, i was in a normal, acceptable range. The cops usually were cool and totally understood. She even took me to court. But by the time i got into court (i can't remember but i think there was some kind of mediation first), i told them that i was moving in a week anyway (that was just by coincidence) so we all agreed to just wait til i left. She was affectionately known as "the bitch across the street". Yes, she sucked. Yes, it broke my heart. But as i got older, i definitely got more sympathy for her. My family was renting an apartment (keep in mind that no one in the apartment minded) but she was living in a house that she paid for. A lot of the times, i was having band practice and was probably pretty loud. I kind of feel bad for it now because it really bothered her and imagine buying a house only to be a prisoner there. I'm definitely on team musician here but to some people, it really is just noise. And remember, they aren't the one getting the enjoyment and therapeutic experience from it.
I know I'm all over the place but it's not a simple as we'd like to think. I'd definitely feel more guilt over it as i got older. Try to work out a solution if its possible if you are going through this.
Thank you. I'm a guitar player with large loud amps. I've certainly been a nuisance without realizing it and now I ALWAYS practice with my headphones.. and I own an actual house where my neighbors aren't anywhere near me. Believe it or not but no one cares that youre a musician.. once I realized that I had a much more realistic perspective on life.
Music is everywhere ! Even when walking around outside , either birds singing , or the rhythms of road workers or traffic sounds or church bells etc !
that's why it would be nice not to hear it at your own home if you don't want to
There are different levels of volume, obviously.
@@Px4164 then why don't you move to england with the rest of the fruitloops then
I wish her well in this. Geez, music is as important as air in ones life!
So is sleep, so is being able to live a normal life without disturbance, there are two sides to these things. Given the choice between air and music, you choose air.
I play electric guitar daily. I live in terraced housing, so neighbours both sides. I simply use headphones.
I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but it works for me and my neighbours.
As a musician who lives alone and practices from home I have always lived in small cottages and tiny houses. That's the only way I can freely make music with out bothering people or attracting complaints from neighbors.
I am also a muso and play guitar. I am very aware that many people can be annoyed be the sound of unwanted music. I practice with an unplugged electric guitar. I always respect others and try not to enforce the sound of my music on others. I notice over the years of gigging that audiences respond better to lower volumes and stay longer to listen to a gentle quality sound.
This is the correct take, albeit unpopular (I was the 2nd like). This comment section is full of lolbertarians.
Kudos to you, sir.
Yes. I also play either acoustic guitar or unplugged electric. I think of my neighbours. I've had terrible noisy neighbours on the past, so know what it's like.
Yes, you're lucky your instrument is not the violin, trumpet, timpani, etc. Carry on being smug
Tolerant societies and communities prosper. Intolerant societies and communities go the other way. Especially shutting down the arts. This is a clear sign of the growing sickness that pervades the UK and the other Western democracies at the moment.
I wear headphones
This is such good news! Maybe I can issue a Noise abatement thingy my neighbours who cannot communicate without shouting all the time, and the others whose poor dog barks from 9.00 am until 10.00 p.m then I might be able to record a video in my conservatory playing my fingerstyle acoustic.
If it's anything like NZ the authorities will allow all levels of sub bass leakage from stereo systems, allow virtually any level of construction noise, almost level of modified exhaust systems (boy-racer muffler systems on cars) with no recourse for sufferers.
Play a bit of Bach on the street corner with a classical guitar, well, watch out.
That is completely insane. I play guitar and play metal. I have never had a problem. I live in Canada. I hope things work out for you. Good luck.
im from newmarket ont. the cops showed up once for my playing but ive had 26 years of metallica without any other issue.
Thats why you have no problems. You live in Canada so the guy below her cant hear you. Give him a chance though. When he finds out about you you're done as well mate. LOL
Signed straight away, I’m shocked about this, being a musician myself and having recently fallen out with my neighbour over a different problem this story really scares me. I feel so sorry for Fiona. I really hope you have better luck if you change your address.
I dont undertstand how they can threaten to take away her instruments when she plays them, but my neighbours play loud music late at night and my council cant do anything about it?
Because it’s probably BS. We rarely get to hear things from the other side. She was probably a nightmare.
I’m super keen on making our cities quieter, I’m also realistic about how we have to be more tolerant when we choose to live this close together.
What if the noise was made by a baby or child just being generally loud, rather than by an adult with an instrument? Would that have caused the same issues? I’d have been tempted to play a 10 hour playlist of kids screaming to test what is allowed. Scumbag neighbours.
This was a clause in my contract at the last place I rented - play no music or instruments at all. I was even expected to do anything that made any noise only on Sunday, so playing music, doing washing, DIY, I was expected to have to get done on one day of the week.
That's such a shit thing to force onto the tenant
Shocking
@RogerMcMillanidk man lots of young people are up at 5 am
So they told you WHEN you could do things!? Distopian. That's a bit much
I wouldn't be renting that place, I also like my quiet time in the evening, but life is for living and some daytime noise is acceptable! No music? How drab their life must be!
Playing music is a gift to the heart. When the law takes that gift away ,that is taking away a person's soul. I have never heard this lady perform. But I do feel for her. I've been in shoes like this before. It's not fun. I hope she gets her gear back and yes my prayers go out to her.
The authorities never go after the thugs playing dance music at 130 decibels, with homes stuffed full of people charging and jumping around drunk, and making the neighbours literally suicidal in their own homes. They instead go after easy targets like Fiona, who just want to do their music at quiet times of the day and at low volumes / no bass etc.
She hasn't lost any gear, it was a threat, she should go and get a cheap as chips sound system on a timer, and then move out, few days later around 10pm BINGO, Metallica nice and loud
@@EgoShredder Maybe singing Karaoke too !
This definitely requires her to get an attorney. I would consider the action of the police a crime against humanity.
My suggestion is for her to move out here to Hollywood and bring your musical instruments and play and create as much as you want! We would welcome you!
@@EgoShredder do you know this for a fact? What's your source?
I just hope more Councils around the country were as hands on regarding nuisance complains.
Same!
Dealing with a neighbours dog that barks and barks and barks and barks from 10pm through until 4am.
If someone is continually making noise above an acceptable volume then yeah it needs addressing.
It's easy to paint this one-sided from the musicians perspective, but they know what they're doing, they know it's not nice when someone plays loud music every day.
Once in a while, every few days for an hour or two, sure. Every day, all day? Nah not cool.
Rent a studio!
@@angryherbalgerbil 100% agree with your summary; been there.
@@angryherbalgerbil try talking to your neighbours like human beings, before phoning the police though.
@@ronalddhs3726 nope you're a neek. Get earplugs, or you move. Music practice is essential and for some people this is a serious career. If you know than you know; stopping a musician from playing is like having horses stomp on there hands.
@@angryherbalgerbil Every few days for an hour or so? So when you want to practice something for your job, how long should you be allowed to do so? Get earplugs mate, and chill-out. Your choice to live in a block of flats in an urban environment. You want peace, find a place in the country where there is some distance between houses. Jeez people like you get lockdowns and poison pokes put in place.
Ridiculous ! Signed and shared.
I'm a guitar playing gardener. The government have issued a consultation paper to ban some garden tools sickles and billhooks, both of which I use.
I can't believe they are considering taking these from me, but taking my 'axe' would be the final straw!!
Really? Music and gardening tools are being banned in your country?
@@AR-mu4zq The consultation on the tools closed on 6th of June, it'll just be a matter of waiting now. Music (and anything) can be banned under noise abatement law, what is considered too loud or repetitive I'm not sure. To be honest I find the BS from this government too loud and repetitive.
Wow I couldnt even conceive of this in America.
Andy, you need to unleash Henning and the entire Gear Street crew (the Avengers of tone)! If anyone could annoy a British Council into doing the right thing, it's Henning!
I am on it. Thanks Jonathan
This. Sick Henning on them. Have him take his wall of amps and plug one guitar into all of them at the same time on 10.
Germans knocking on people's door in the middle of the night tend to get the job done
I live in Slovakia. 0600-2200 you can make noise in your home. 2200-0600 you can't. Now I am a shift worker so I get that day time noise can impact rest if you have come off working all night.And it's not fun having been up all night, fall into bed and someone starts drilling etc. This comes down to agreement and discussion with neighbours. I make sure I only play guitar in the afternoon only. As musicians we need to be able to play but also be considerate. Communication is everything.
The continent with by far the most legendary, inonic rock and roll artists, treats talent like this ? This is crazy !
This isn't America.
Post Brexit, Britain has been declared a continent. I did not know that.
hide a rotting fish in that neighbors place. the complaintant should start being the target of unending pranks.
This is beyond insanity. Lewisham Council have obviously lost the plot 😖Petition signed 👍👍
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs What a stupid comment.
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs Seem like an absurd dismissal, if everyone in a country agreed how things should be done there would be no need to vote. Minorities don't exist I guess, only majorities.
@@marcm2277 #BorisJohnson #Brexit
You folks are on your own now, enjoy!
@@marcm2277 America was built on the idea of individual liberty, that's what made "America" great for so long, but we've lost that now!! Now it's all about the "majority" and "voting"! The worst communist/dictatorship that's ever been known to human kind is heading our way, World wide, and "we all" let it happen!! If the people of Britain (and everyone all over the planet) don't start protecting each others liberties, there won't be any left for any one of us!! We all better start getting our shit together or it will be 100x worse than anything the book 1984 ever portrayed!!
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs Ah yes. I remember the referendum on the subject.
I've had noisy neighbours before and it's very difficult to get the council to do anything. The allowed noise threshold is pretty high. If you're a musician you can use headphones and if you want to crank up your amps etc.. then go to a studio or soundproof your house so neighbours can't hear it. I play guitar and bass and my neighbours never hear it.
I play multiple instruments in the privacy of my home. I can't imagine having to deal with this nonsense, especially something as tame as a low whistle.
This makes me incandescent with rage.
My wife is a violin/viola teacher, who teaches from home and I have several guitars. We live in a Victorian terrace house. I'm hoping that Norwich City Council aren't backwards like Lewisham.
respect other people, dont act like wild animals
@@Сунђербобан You mean the animals that don't make music? So you're saying make more music? I agree!
Most mugs own nothing but a soddig TV and phone but they are lovotomised drones!
Signed!Im sure most people in flats have to put up with TVs on at all hours,people arguing,kids screaming and the rest of noise pollution,its a little bit of give and take.Practising/playing is essential and starting at 10:30 and ending at 14:30 is more then accommodating,this just sounds petty and as ac/dc once said a low whistle aint noise pollution!Good luck!
@@robinr22 Exactly, I can't believe there are actually people in this thread that think what she was doing was ok. Noise nuisance is like torture and should not be tolerated. Either sound-proof your space so it cannot be heard outside of it (very hard with most british places), or rent/borrow a practice space.
@@secretchefcollective444 You're wrong.
@@PeterCamberwick Well, I'd like to say you're wrong too but since you provide no rational arguments to support your case that is difficult.
As a learner myself i just couldn't imagine being told i cant do what has helped me mentally as well as give me a passion in life. Im not the greatest player, and some could deam what i play is aggressive. But i respect my neighbours as im sure she does. Some people have hatred in their heart and will use that ego to use it in horrible ways like this. Im actually shocked this is real. Signed shared, never let them take music from us.
Can you imagine being threatened with a large fine for, reading ? or painting, or using a computer ?
We all have hobbies, and playing an instrument is to a lot of people a hobby.
This is another example of eroded freedom. IT HAS TO STOP.
Erm, noone can hear you outside your home looking at paintings, or reading and if you're playing loud FPSs on the computer I would hope people would complain about the gunfire.
@@secretchefcollective444 If you were doing so late in the evening, or at night, then yes, however, as long as it is in the day time, when people may be digging up roads with a backhoe, loud trucks driving around etc, why would you complain about a piano ?
@@terryhayward7905 No this is totally wrong. Time of day is irrelevant - some people work shifts or have young babies, some people like to enjoy their peace and quiet in the early morning or late afternoon. We're not talking about a short period of construction or maintenance work (I'd include DIY in that), we're talking prolonged regular interruptions to every day life.
This rings familiar...
*_My father was a musician in stalingrad. During the german occupation, the sound of his violin filled the air with magnificent music. To my countrymen, it was a symbol of hope. To the germans, it was a symbol of defiance. The nazis slit his throat while he slept. Today, the flag may be different, but the methods are all the same._*
Germany invaded Britain, its just that no one knew it yet.
I'm sure it all comes down to how much noise you make. I was a local heavy rock drummer/bass player back back in the late 80s through to the mid 90s in a very dense part ofthe city. when I moved into my house the first thing I did was thoroughly soundproof the outhouse in my tiny garden so the neighbours didn't have to suffer me and my band mates practising in it. never had the slightest inference of a complaint in the 15 years I was there.
being considerate to others avoids so many issues in life.
This is down to the neighbour really being OTT and councils being the pain in the arse that they usually are.
Music is under attack in the world not just UK. It is a healing energy ;) Do not give up!
unless it's Violent Rap, Garage , Grime or whatever else you call that shit music
Music is one of many false gods that people worship too much.
@kevone Not silly. People literally worship music like it’s God or something. People have a very unhealthy infatuation with music.
@@neildobbs7278 People obsess over music too much. It’s one of many false idols. Same goes for sports, movies, entertainment. People worship those way too much.
@kevone You just confirmed in my mind that you’re an idolater. God should be your God, not music. And I’m disillusioned by music because how I see other people just worship music like it’s God. And it’s just disgusting to me.
As much as I feel sorry for Fiona and her situation. Having been through the process of noise complaints against local builders (Which I eventually received compensation), this video trivialises what is actually involved in getting a complaint to the point of a threat of fines and confiscating equipment.
You are expected to keep a log of times, types of noise and even decibel levels, you are expected to communicate with whoever is producing the noise before the council will even get involved to come to a solution with them. It’s a long process to get anywhere.
If practising and recording acoustic instruments at home is important to someone, then it’s a good idea to look for places better suited to this for somewhere to live or look into anything that can insulate sound.
Correction-there's are some neighbours who are tolerant but tolerance runs out. Note-tolerance means putting up with something not deserible/annoying, you will only realise what noise children make when you live with neighbours with their children.
Thanks for doing this. I have signed the petition when you first brought it to our attention. More people need to know this.
I hadn't come across this story before, and I am appalled. I suppose, in London boroughs the tightly packed population means that your neighbours are a little closer to your music than out in the rest of the country, but she wasn't playing anything particularly obtrusive, or at unsociable hours. This young woman's livelihood and passion has been denied her. I'm off to sign right now!!!! Keep up the fight Fiona, we're with you!
Such a beautiful and creative person, with nothing but soul and inspiration to offer.
Can't stop grinding my teeth right now.
SIGN THE PETITION!!
To a degree I can kinda see both sides to this. If you say work from home and your neighbour is making enough noise that it is disturbing you working, I can see how that would be annoying. I can also see how you'd want to do your own thing in your home, even singing (I'd love to see them take that instrument away 🙂). Fortunately, I've never had a problem practising my instruments, but it could happen. Playing Devil's advocate here though, isn't the onus on the person that is disturbing others not do so. Therefore, as there are many ways to soundproof (at least significantly reduce sound output) a room, for example sound deadening materials applied to walls and floors, that can be done professionally for a few hundred. I know of voice actors who have small sound booths setup in their garages that are almost completely soundproof. Surely you can take mitigating action to not disturb your neighbours, no matter how winey and entitled they are.
This sort of thing is particularly upsetting when I think about how far I went to ensure that I would cause minimal disruption to neighbours because of music when buying a flat recently. I knew we weren't going to be able to afford anything huge but still, I only considered places which either had an outbuilding where I could practice, or a room with at least 2 walls between me and the neighbours (and that's surprisingly hard to find).
I found one, and now I'm in it I'm so pleased with how it's turned out, music is quiet even within the apartment, which is 2 level, and when someone is downstairs apparently music only comes through very softly, so I'm confident it must be very quiet for the neighbours. But to think that there might be neighbours bothered by even the slightest bit of noise from next door which could try to enforce such a ridiculous order, and that this order would be both legal and hard to fight is just intolerable.
SOunds like you give a damn. Well done. I spent £1000 building a sound cell in my garage. WOuld have cost £8000 but I did all the work myself. I respect other people's right to quiet enjoy meant of their space.
As an American musician myself,all I have to say is,they can have my guitar when they pry my cold dead fingers from it...
The saying inscribed on Woody Guthrie's guitars comes to mind!
its tough but i actually agree with this, i've had people playing guitars for 3 hours straight either on their amp or even acoustic, its a pain in the ass, remember that just as you have to right to peace and quiet, so do we. I like playing the guitar but i play it silently, if i want to play the acoustic i go to a jam room or a friend who lives in a detached, its rough but unfortunately we have to respect others right to peace and quiet.