Kotlin Multiplatform vs Flutter: Which should we use?

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[@kei_tokyo_japan]

I should have mentioned about the Compose multi platform. It’s the kotlin framework for making other platform UI such as iOS.
But even there is, it’s still alpha for iOS and it can’t stand without writing native code basically , I heard.

[@raja_uma1r]

Beta released for iOS a couple days back with the release of Kotlin 2.0 and k2 compiler.

[@jackeblan]

Well you got the point. You have to learn swift.

[@TN-kg2lv]

Kotlin Multiplatform Compose is out which takes care of the UI. It's in alpha. What's your opinion on Compose?

[@UTJK.]

Thanks for the explanation. Finally someone that tells clearly the difference between the two.

[@jcolindres001]

Hi, good explanation. In terms of performance which one would be best? In terms of future, will flutter be supported by Google since it is adopting Kotlin ?

[@kennyfully88]

ちゃんと説明してくれてありがとうございます。今前より理解するようになりました！

[@PedroBarbosaRoman]

That is a good explanation! And from an official google support perspective it is like that. Bear in mind, that there is also Compose Multiplatform that works on top of KMP which enables you to share UI just like Flutter, but that technology for iOS and Web is still, at the moment, in alpha or experimental respectively

[@leopet6815]

its not in alpha - its already at v 1.6 - works perfectly on android, desktop, linux - some problems with Apple (there is always problems with Apple) - but def. production ready. Oh, also web is in alpha - but who cares about that - use PHP, Go, Js for web - they are designed for it.

[@PedroBarbosaRoman]

@@leopet6815 Well, JetBrains announced *yesterday* Compose Multiplatform for iOS is in beta and web is in alpha now, so I guess you are right 😂

[@NoPainInLife]

Compose Multiplatform shares UI like Flutter and it is very available for desktope and IOS, and in alpha version for web since 3 - 4 days😮

[@AWNHACKS]

Thank bro. You made it clear ❤

[@user-vs9ey3bd4t]

the thing is, why would i go flutter for same ui, when compose is alredy coming for multiplataform

[@dangerosa01]

It's not

[@mahmoudalkateb2008]

​@@dangerosa01 its gonna come, and gesu what ViewModel are now supported for CMP which is cool, also room database is migrated, the android team in google are working indirectly with jetbrains to migrate compose libraries to be used in CMP.
Plus kotlin outplays dart on features and oh god the DSL in kotlin i can write about it all day,
I'm flutter developer and i have prior experience with android let me tell you that KMP/CMP has the potential to compete with flutter in every aspect.

[@raja_uma1r]

Bro haven't heard about Compose Multiplatform! 😂 It's in beta for iOS and alpha for web. Stable for desktop and Android.

[@user-cz5cy8ud8m]

But if we're using Compose Multiplatform, it's similar to Flutter. Right? Because Compose Multiplatform shares UI, too.

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Still developer experience in Flutter is better I think

[@user-cz5cy8ud8m]

@@kei_tokyo_japan I agree with you.

[@joseph-montanez]

Compose Multiplatform iOS support is still in Alpha and it's still rough. Compose Multiplaform just added navigation / life cycle support, in experimental as well. Its still not on the same level as production ready that Flutter is.

[@romanpavliuk2301]

The answer is simple, if u're a native developer, especially if u're an Android native dev, then it is better for u and ur company to use KMP, at least for sharing the business logic. Next step is Compose for building UI.
But if u're more into web dev, so Flutter is your choice

[@NoPainInLife]

I am developer which used to KMP and it is not only business but also UI and even database using Ktor. Who sad that KMP does not share UI? Then what I build for my desktope application using kotlin and other many Ios apps?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Do you use compose?

[@NoPainInLife]

Yes when you talk about KMP actually it is the same thing as Compose Multiplatform. Several month ago it was hard to build applications for IOS but now it is available. But only web in alpha version.

[@georgikopchev1739]

In my opinion, the most important thing is that KMP builds close to native, while flutter doesn't. So its Native -> KMP -> Flutter -> React Native -> Cordova, Xamarin etc.

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

That’s good point!

[@leopet6815]

you can write crticial parts of your KMP in native - its like write most in "shared" or "common" (if in compose multiplatform) folder
but then you can just do a couple of files in the native folder and it will use that code for that part of the app for that platform

[@meek6836]

You still have to write code for both platforms so no

[@stanleyillidge6920]

Totalmente de acuerdo, muy buena tu explicación, cada uno tiene sus campos y para los startups flutter es la merjo opcion

[@AyushKarki-pb7xc]

swift or kotlin ?

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

If you start your own company as solopreneur, what are the costs? is it doable to put some effort after my 9-5?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Just starting a company costs like 1000usd

[@Uein]

@@kei_tokyo_japan What's the catch?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

@@Uein if you earn money over 70,000, making company is better for your tax problem. So I don’t think there’re so many bad things.
Sometime making some documents as a company is annoying. But that’s it.

[@harryzaynnaz-lo7fg]

Where are you from? Im looking for a partner to start a software dev startup

[@91Canjok]

​@@harryzaynnaz-lo7fgim from Germany

[@user-yy9ss9xu1h]

do you heard about compose multi platform😌

[@VladimirDjokic]

❤Flutter

[@vigneshe3466]

Would you like to talk about compose multi-platform

[@neilord]

Your English is very good! Just maybe try practicing speaking. I know it is hard for the Japanese :)

[@jimmywicker3698]

Is flutter demand in Japan?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

I think relatively good

[@SV-jy4kk]

0:18 You meant May 15th, right?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Yes May. 😂

[@Steveiisler]

:)

[@Uein]

Darn. I wont be in Japan until July.

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Darn. why don’t you come earlier ?

[@Uein]

@@kei_tokyo_japan I have to be in Vietnam for 3 weeks in mid-June.

[@datadriveAshura]

Dude, we'r still waiting for that flutter crash course 😅

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Oh I didn’t know that😮

[@treksis]

looking for js everywhere chad to jump on this clip. react, react native, node!!!

[@ManchesterAndroid]

Compose multiplatform doe

[@usmanAli-hw5xu]

Flutter ❤

[@Vlad-hl1gy]

Flutter❤

[@saiphaneeshk.h.5482]

Can anyone join your flutter uni?

[@kei_tokyo_japan]

Yes. But not everyone can speak English so far because basically almost all people are Japanese. But I will support you.
If Many demand from foreigners happens , I will optimize that for English speakers

[@saiphaneeshk.h.5482]

@kei_tokyo_japan thank you, I have a little over 1year of experience working on flutter so if there is a way I can contribute and learn from this uni would be helpful for my learning experience.

[@bbqchickenrobot3]

Neither - C# FTW

[@Dipj01]

React Native

[@JakobRossner-qj1wo]

As always React Native 😂

[@MrlegendOr]

React Native is trash 🙃

[@JakobRossner-qj1wo]

@@MrlegendOr Why should it be?

[@jeeva3984]

Because it comes from trash

[@JakobRossner-qj1wo]

@@jeeva3984 Thats direspecting anyone working on RN or the RN ecosystem

[@JakobRossner-qj1wo]

​@@jeeva3984Thats disrepecting anyone working on RN or the RN ecosystem

[@justafreak15able]

KMP or RN but never Flutter

[@MrFYS18]

Rn? 💀

[@NoPainInLife]

React Native

[@jurassa9588]

Why not flutter?