Gladiators - fighting to entertain the mob
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Gladiators fought in the Roman empire to entertain the masses, but were they really all forced to chop each other up for bloody spectacle, or was it more like modern sports like boxing and sumo?
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“There were various stunts like fighting a whale...”
This is where you suddenly choose to be frugal with details?
I would watch a 2 hour video solely about how one publicly fights a whale
@@peterdvornik I was going to second that sentiment and then I realized that whaling is a real thing and I don't want to get on a whaling boat and watch it very much.
Lindy conciders this General knowledge
Pffft, everyone knows about the great whale war of 117 B.C. with the Spartans and the Covenant. There's no possible way you haven't atleast heard about it in anyway. But I'll give you a simple recap to re-jog your memory on the subject. The great Spartan leader Leviticus had to destroy the halos so the Covenant couldn't destroy all life in the universe. So the Japanese hired a bunch of sperm whales to help Leviticus cavalry charge through the Covenant forces to destroy the halos. But one of Leviticus'es space ships was named the Pequod, and the whales took offense to this for some unknown reason. And then Leviticus single handedly destroyed all the sperm whales, the Covenant, and the halo, all by himself. Duh.
We don't publicly watch whaling though...or somehow transport the whales inland.
This man justs walks around his house and at one point stops and says "I just feel like delivering a lecture right now" and freestyles it perfectly
It took him 4 days to edit, so we don't get to see him checking his notes. I don't mean to be a negative Nancy here, but it would be so extraordinary for Lindybeige to deliver this all from the top of his head, it is just not realistic. He at least thinks of a general line to follow and then delivers, but probably has already prepared his chapters in advance. Not taking away from the great content, but this is not a ramble edited down to 2 hours.
The longest I remember timing anyone speaking with a break was only about 50minutes.
Still, he knew why he had to say it and he felt it in him.
Having said that, I tried to explain something that was almost second nature to me and the camera ran out of tape.
Thank goodness the camera was recording
@@hillanderson6503 makes you wonder what rants have we not seen
@@janmetdekorteachternaam3673 you are such a Negative Nancy.
"Gladiators fought for about a thousand years!"
And I thought test cricket matches were long.
There you are...
I was looking for you.
Please have a laugh with these two Roman parodies 'Fabula Palliata'
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@@SagaofaCrew th-cam.com/video/7K62og46COEa/w-d-xo.htmllso have one here (:
Baseball
Beautiful
TH-camrs: Let's make a video over 10 minutes for the ad revenue
Lindybeige: Let's make a video almost 2 hours for the content
Commitment!!
TH-camrs: Read the ready-made 30 seconds ad
Lindybeige: Spend 20 minutes discussing the nature of a vpn with himself
Nice
Not a single midroll
@@luizurtiga longer sponsor than most videos out there and more interesting
Maximus: "Are You Not Entertained!?"
Provider of local Gladiator games: "NO!! 6 deaths goddammit! You just bankrupt me!!"
lanista hangs up recruitment sign,
'stabby blokes required, apply within'
@@michelguevara151
barones fodicaturici requisiti. intro petite.
I'm never going to financially recover from this.-Tigrus Rex, Empresario.
I don't think I've ever seen a sponsor first being mentioned over an hour into a video. Respect.
to be fair the ad did last for about 20 minutes
@@ethanwatkins6780 I was just going to say that I love this TH-cam channel so so so so much but I can't stand how he goes on and on with his advertisements I don't almost rather for regular commercials but it's worth it. I've even changed my fast forward speed to 20 seconds at a time so I can get through them quicker
Respect indeed.... although I do enjoy the perks of capitalism 🤣
Well he did menshion it in the first minute to be fair
@@ElHombreGato it's just as rambling as his topics. A sad side effect for all of the greatness to be honest. It would be nice to have time stamps though.
I challenge you to:
- to show me one more youtuber talking for 2h without any jumpcuts
- a content presenter who can make 2h feel like 10 minutes
- someone who's entertaining and educating at the same time without you realizing it
- anotherone who proofs you wrong on thinking history is kinda boring
I love this channel.
On everything except the first, my sixth grade history teacher mr.Rahmeir.
@@CraftQueenJr He uses jumpcuts?
@@dersaegefisch Lol he made real life jump cuts
top man well said
I realy enjoy talkernate hidtory
He's like the professor everyone dreams of having.
I wish I had him as an inner voice so he can talk about various subjects all day along.
Complete with the weird climate change denying opinions
lamo lambda what?
@@greygray6230 I had no clue, google it. There is a really old looking video . Who knows if he changed his position or just avoids the topic now.
Book Addict believe it or not I had a professor a lot like Lindy, that’s one of the reasons I subscribe to his channel. Mark Southern was the best professor I have ever known, and he died far too young. A decade and a half later and I still miss him like I never knew I could miss anyone.
I can feel Lloyd's sponsor sweating as he goes further and further with the sponsor segment
Get VPN. Heres what their shortcomings are
Audible audible audibale aodiblel
@@britishnerd3919 you might be marginally safer, limited yes, but slightly safer.
@@BronzeAgeMan1350 but more on that later
Think me redeemed him self sponsor wise "just"
"Lets reenact the death if Icarus"
Me imagining a guy being shot across the arena by a catapult
goddamn, this made me laugh harder than it should! Nice.
lol, I think around ballistas shotting at a goose, with an empty zone of the col . . . flavianus amphitreate on the back.
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That sounds like that one roman legionnaire in "Asterix and the Cleopatra", only he was latching on a catapult boulder before he was sent flying.
I love how this is just one 2 hour long run on sentence.
Puts Molly Bloom to shame.
I'm always impressed by that. Can't talk for 1/4th that unless it's a 'fish story' running on with.
Beautiful, isn't it?
I come back to this channel as much for the information as I do for the personality.
He’s the Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation for history and archaeology
I love how much punctuation you're missing in your statement about how improper his speech is.
I was one of the Visual Effects Supervisors on 'Rome'. Was pleased to convince the producers to visualise the scale of the city to the vast scale it was at the time. I even had to point out that the Circus Maximus existed at that time and would be visible from the Palatine Hill, which was seen in the background of a night scene
Wow so cool.
Just finished watching season 1. Very cool
Isn’t the Palatine quite close to the Circus Maximus? I confess I haven’t been in the eternal city for a few years, but I think it was pretty much right next to it.
@@generalerica4123 Yep...Trajans Palace basically over looks it
Wow. That's cool. I loved that show. I was upset when it ended.
I shall now contemptuously, and indeed quite pompously, refer to the Colosseum as the Flavian Amphitheater whenever possible despite being ignorant of that fact up until now.
That's the privilege of knowing 0.000001% more about something than other people
That's the right and privilege of every niche TH-cam viewer. Go forth, and be the tool you were destined to be.
@@01ZombieMoses10 Well, incidentally, this is exactly what we do on the Dandy Show.
Amphitheatre
That's called learning
"You'd have a population entirely of women, and where's the fun in that."
Goes on speaking, while grinning at the thought of the fun in that.
Feminists “Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee”
It'd be pretty short lived fun though.
Only the 1 generation.
@@kharnthebetrayer8251 very fun generation though
Kharn The Betrayer get Gangas in there youll have a full population in 9 months
Michael Zhang haha not if you were the only one left after hiring 2 people who both happened to die or you assassinated the other with a katana that slices through space and time
Lindybeige: "Gladiators on Etruscan funerals were something that extremely rich people would use to flex."
Etruscans 3000 years ago: "Okay, time to fight to the death to see who inherits papa's PS4."
Why
I'm most impressed by the fact that he actually spoke for almost 2 hours, non-stop, and at a fairly fast rate, and that I actually sat through the entire thing listening to it. Wow.
and I thought paul harrell was good
@@firstname4097 well I don't think Lindy has a dimension in his pockets like Paul does.
I'm more impressed by the fact that you've never listened to an interesting lecture before.
@@Bollibompa he managed to sit down and listen to something, that's a big deal where he comes from
Cocaine is a helluva drug
Two flipping hours? You are an absolute madlad, Lindy!
thank him , the real boss of all historical channel !
praise the beige !
finalfantasy50
Not the madlad we deserve, but we madlad we need!
Thank the Dank.
minus 10-15 minutes of ad
@@jordanpark1168 Nah, I like the visual aspect
Regarding the helmets, and the difference between gladiator and legionary helmets:
1. The extra protection is probably because the least survivable injuries would be to the head and neck, and as pointed out, they didn't want their famous gladiators cashing it in. A cut to the shoulder or outside thigh is probably generally survivable. One to the neck, or into the skull, and you're likely gone. And even if you survive, you're going to be out of action for a long, long time, not earning any money. An arm cut will probably heal up in a month if it's not too deep. A sliced-open face or head will likely put you out of action for six months or a year.
2. The legionary helmet is a compromise. They're in an open environment where a threat can come from anywhere, and they're fighting in groups. You would need to be able to see attackers coming from your side or trying to get around behind you. You also need to be able to hear shouted commands or the like, and hear your environment generally. And see what your side is doing, get a feel for the movement of the battle line, generally have a lot of awareness of your whole environment.
With a gladiator, though, it's a duel, most of the time. You're focused on one guy and one guy only. You know where he is and don't have to worry about two of his buddies running up on you from 4 o'clock. Nobody is shouting orders at you or waving signal flags farther down the battle line. There's no battlefield to take in tactically. So you can go for straight-forward vision and for the rest, maximize protection, because you don't need to see or hear anything except one guy in front of you.
Great presentation, though, very enjoyable! :)
Awesome response
also to add, the legionary regular march was 15-20 miles per day. the other helmet would have been like carrying an anvil with you
One more point, if the Mexican wrestlers are anything to go by. It would seem that, with so many variations, that each gladiator would have his own helmet style, and so, be easily recognized even from a distance. I can't imagine some of them being easy to wear, they are so ornate, so protection and identification would also be important--not, mind you, that communicating on the sly wasn't an integral part of the design too, but that there were other considerations as well.
Awesome response.
I can add from Experience that during a fight you don't actually hear that much under your helmet and padded cap. So for two guys trying to communicate their moves would be difficult. Also, moving with the helmet on and talk is even more difficult. After like 2 Minutes you already have ventilation problems because there isn't that much airflow under the helmet. It tires you out quite quickly, depending on personal constitution sooner or later.
"i have no idea how long this is going to be"
*looks down*
1 hour and 50 min runtime
you did it again lindybeige
I didn't notice how long it is until he mentioned it. :D
Lindy: *"Are you not informed?!?!*
This has to be memed!
Enterformed?
“DO NOT FOLLOW SUCH LIES!”
*Proceeds to give a 2 hour lecture about the truth
Infotained?
Are you not infotained?*
"Show mercy to the 'nice' slavers!" said Slave 1, promptly before the classical equivalent of his defenestration.
"A Lanista always makes you pay your debts"
hmmmmmmmm
"Why don't you come with us, it.'ll be pun. 😂"
32:30, yep
Going through the advert:
"YOU'RE GOING TO DIE"
*skip 20 seconds*
"If you're the head of Mi6"
*Skip 20 seconds*
"Expert criminals"
That was some intense VPN fan fiction he did xD.
It was sooo long oml like Jesus Christ Lloyd stay on topic
@@rabies5179 he managed to talk about a VPN for 10 min wtf
@@opperturk124 Well, he just stayed in character whilst doing his commercial :)
More than that, he starts talking about why VPNs don't work, as well as why they're good
"Population entirely of women and where's the fun in that?" LMAO
I could see the fun in that, lots and lots of fun...
Well, I'm off to Lesbos!!
Based Lindybeige
safo wants to know your location...
“I feel that your values are not the same as mine”
I can’t wait for the opportunity to use that line.
I was also taken by it and wondered where it came from. Google shows 1 result for that arrangement of words at this time. Uploaded by Lindybeige.
Just be around on TH-cam for a day. Or play any competitive game in existence.
52:18 Start of the sketch (for future reference)
The year 2020 likely has absolutely no redeeming value whatsoever, other than giving everyone ample opportunity to say “I feel that your values are not the same as mine”. And considering the context in this video is speculation that SJWs existed in ancient Rome... fairly appropriate.
These days, you'd better be prepared for ostrasization, condemnation, expulsion, and even civil or criminal charges saying something like that.
"He shot 100 lions while hiding ontop of a tower" What a waste of lions, could have made a freakish Lion pulled prototype chariot unit with those.
Big or not they're still cats. It wouldn't be very entertaining.
The ultimate roof camper
Having a race of lion powered chariots is something I would watch!
Korhil appreciates
@@HappyBeezerStudios gladiators on a lion led chariot race.
“Just because it happened for a thousand years doesn’t mean it was right” what a brilliant piece of logic a lot of people today miss
"If you can't gamble on the outcome of the sport it's propably not a real sport"
some comment about golf....
Might as well flip a coin or roll a die. It’s the same idea.
@@comradecameron3726 I mean that's what people do in casinos.
There! Again proving that golf is just a way to ruin a good walk
You can bet on anything where the outcome isnt obviously known to any of the parties. Or you can try to bet on the truth, to make someone take back a lie.
Insurance is a bet. And when the insurance company think the odds are bad, they won't take the bet.
When Lindybeige says he's trying to keep it simple...
it was kept simple, he barely digressed at all!
@@michelguevara151 2 hours, no tangents?!?
7:53, oh thank the force haha
Basicly it was a 2 hour tangent about the helmets he saw online ;)
"Nicholas Lloyd here of Scholagladiatoria, just a really brief video to make a really quick point about gladiators..."
Gladiator talking to another gladiator: wazzup my Saminite!
Roman trying to join in: sup saminites!
Gladiators: you can’t use that word.... that is our word....
he said the s word!! 😡🤬😡
well thats not really the same is it
*I M G O N N A S A Y T H E S W O R D*
@@rextheroyalist6389 mr Pilate get down!
Adeptus Yagoncius MR CALIGULA? WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!
Lindy made a nearly 2-hour long video just so he could tell us he believes gladiators were proto-pro wrestlers. Now that's dedication.
"Proto"? Nah, I think pro wrestling is a regression of gladiation.
@@nolanwestrich2602 How is not forcing slaves to fight to the death a regression?
@@Subarashii_Nem Wadya mean? Slavery is great!!!1
(Please don't forget that much of humor is mock stupidity.)
Who did it for Women....
**digs through ancient memes folder**
Ahhh here it is... Behold!
Boar Vessel 600-500 BC Estruscan Ceramic
your ability to hold my utmost attention for 2 hours is bloody magical
"you'll have a population entirely of women, and where's the fun in that?"
-Lloyd, right before getting his channel removed
Obviously not watching the same "educational films" as the rest of us ;)
mxt mxt - Riding the Cock Carousel.
Another possibility for gladiator helmets: Part of the character they play, much like some wrestlers. Hides the face, but the mask itself becomes famous.
So basically like Lucha Libre where the masks are the charcters and are even worn over multiple generations by the same family.
Mexican wrestling masks.
Like the masks of Zorro, Lone Ranger, Batman (technically a Cowl), Green Hornet, Darth Vader, Guy Fawkes, Jason (Friday 13th), Ghostface (Scream films), and Spiderman just to name a few.
That's unlikely because helmet designs were gladiator class specific and not individual specific. Like secutors would have one type of helmet and murmillos another etc etc. Although maybe some famous individuals did have extremely customized helmets.
Perhaps it is because soldiers' helmets wouldn't want to limit peripheral vision since situational awareness is necessary on the battlefield. When dueling, which I gather many gladiatorial fights were like, total protection of the head was more critical and you only need to see in a forward direction. I wonder if different headgear was worn in melee contests.
I received some truly crappy news this arvo and wondered if I would ever smile again. Then my dad sent me this channel and I have been belly laughing instead of crying and now I'm getting a free, phenomenal history lecture from a truly spectacular speaker.
Will I binge watch his entire back catalogue tonight? Shit yes I will.
Holy cow. If I had professors like this, I’d major in every subject just to hear them talk so passionately for TWO hours. Awesome video!
I had a lot of such professors.
@@dawsVEVO I'd go on and claim that there are many teachers like that and it is the students who do not perceive them. I know my school peers didn't share my enthusiasm at the time.
The helmets resemble fencing and kendo masks in the way they enclose and protect the face and neck. This fits with the idea of gladiators expecting to live to fight again. They would be trained to put on a good show, make big flashy moves that target the shield, weapon, helmet. The pro wrestling parallel is a good one.
Very much agree. The comparison with the Roman soldiers helmet is a bit off, the soldier has to wear his helmet for a really long time compared to a gladiator, so the gladiator can opt for a lot more protection in exchange for a far heavier and more restricting helmet.
Also, a stab in the face really tends to cut short a fight, so protecting that part is also in line with keeping the crows entertained.
@@AnimalMotha I agree that having as much head and face protection as possible without having to take into consideration any other task but fighting is the most likely reason for the huge helmets. Besides, if gladiatorial fights started as a much more private affair before becoming a mass spectacle, surely that would have made such kind of cheating quite difficult to pull off. And if that was the main reason for the helmet, then the retiarii would have been given a massive helmet too.
I think the guys who DID get stabbed in the face were better for entertaining the crows...
@@AnimalMotha also situational awareness is a much bigger deal on a battlefield than in a duel. In a duel all you need to focus on is the person standing right in front of you, and you want to avoid paying attention to anything else, on the battlefield you're surrounded by things that are possibly vitally important to your survival, so helmets often lacked face protection for this reason.
I wonder. Because the big difference with pro wrestling is that when your opponent decides (for whatever reason) to go for the kill, you'd be giving him all the opportunity. In order for LB's theory to materialize, there should be reasons to believe that gladiators could trust each other with their lives. The whole ' in three seconds I make a stabbing motion, opening myself up for a counter thrust, but don't do that, just step back' thing would have to rely on trust 100%. Because if on average, every other 'game day' one gladiator dies, that is still a significant risk and not comparable at all to pro-wrestling where nobody died in the last 50 years.
This man's eloquence, delivery and clarity of thought and fluency of speech is something I aspire to!
"What's the origin of the gladiator games?"
Archaeologists: "Must have been ceremonial."
What's the origin of plumbing?
Must have been ceremonial.
Well they wouldn't be entirely wrong, if you'd consider as ceremonial anything not directly related to survival, shelter, nutrition, hydration, etc. functions essential to life and well-being. "Ceremonial" conveniently happens to sound much more scholarly than "religious / entertainment-related / done for shits 'n' giggles / we just don't know".
Gladiatorial games DID have ceremonial origins, since the etruscans would organize a duel between slaves during a nobleman's funeral.
Like all the "ceremonial human sacrifices" across europe that they postulate were offerings to some god in hopes of a good harvest.
More like they just got sick of the village rapist and slit his fucking throat.
Most football and soccer matches start with an opening ceremony.
"The women fights were novelty acts, people weren't impressed by them and they were sometimes very scandalous."
Oh so it was like WWE then?
I said the same thing about the WNBA
ACTUALLY, THERE WERE A FEW GLADIATRIX. ONE, A VERY EXPERT FIGHTER. I read about her a long while back. I believe they found a "stele" (a monument) delineating her combats.
@@lisasmith516
I only know of a single depiction of gladiatrices, a stone carving depicting "Amazon" and "Achilia" fighting. Could you be referring to one of them?
@@EnLaMatrix1 probably, it's been so long since I saw it. 🙂
I feel pro wrestling needed more mentions in this video xD
The Pula Arena is the name of the amphitheatre located in Pula, Croatia. The Arena is the only remaining Roman amphitheatre to have four side towers and with all three Roman architectural orders entirely preserved. It was constructed in 27 BC - 68 AD and is among the world's six largest surviving Roman arenas.
Greetings from Croatia.
The fact that the spots on Lloyd's jumper(?) line up perfectly with his model tank collection is just one of the many hundreds of reasons that forty minutes have gone by without me noticing.
Go easy on weed next time. Really. :)
@@ursa_margo it is very moorish though
I don't think they are models, they are silhouettes of his top 5 tanks at the tank museum at Boddington (there is a video on the tank museum channel)
@@paulgrimmond6296 The Tank Museum is at Bovington, though Boddington's do make some good beer and it does come in armour (tins) :-) EDIT: DID make good beer...as usual it was taken over by another brewery and closed down, so sh*t
@@jcorbett9620 classic Aussie mistake!
I can't spell English English! 😂
I love this. The video hasn’t even been out long enough for anyone to have finished this. I love this guy!
Yes i just started
sounds like mma
Correction "we love this guy!" *
I literally gasped with happiness as I saw it was a new Lindy video. And then I saw the length! This man is a National Treasure for the UK ... Good for y'all! I listen to this guys videos going to sleep as well, his voice and cadence in which he speaks somehow relaxes me.
Some people may be watching it in double the speed.
Alternative theory for the face-obscuring helmets: gladiator fights were *way* more lethal than the people running it let on. If a popular gladiator died, the show-runners wanted to be able to dress up another guy as him and keep the crowds coming.
Also might allow popular gladiators to participate in many more bouts than they were physically capable of, if each was actually like three different guys.
I wonder if there was some "dread pirate roberts" syndrome going on with the helmets that obscured the face.
I.E. Same characters played by different gladiators
Love the "dread pirate Roberts" however he/they materialise.
As you wish.
That was one of my thoughts you could have a famous "gladiator" fighting in more than one arena at a time attracting a lot more peopl
knah13 Wouldn’t that be pretty easily figured out though? If two people well-off enough to travel the Roman countryside got together to chat about some games they had just seen in 2 different cities, what would happen when they both mentioned seeing the same famous gladiator on the same day?
That's what I was thinking
"Just blokes stabbing each other".
Sums up London pretty much
"stabby, stabby stabstab"
@@lucacolombo7603 indeed
“Gladiators fought for about 1,000 years” , and boy are they tired!! Boom boom.
ba dum tcsh
Here I thought Gladiatoring was real, like wrestling, but it turns out it's rigged, like boxing.
I get this reference
ralife11379 like Floyd mayweather
ralife11379 like WWE for sure
WWG
You're going to fight Mike Tyson but he's rigged to win and he has a sword.
You went on about rich Romans, it started me wondering, where did they keep their money? Did they have banks? Did they dig a hole? I'd Love to see a video about it. Thanks, I've been learning from you for years.
it wouldn't surprise me if they had some sort of banking system. Though I can't really think of any evidence for one. the main reason I say they must have had them is that granaries existed for many years before the Romans and they functioned, (more or less) like banks.
Actually, it got me thinking that the first granaries were actually religious temples since they were often the biggest publicly available space and if you're a farmer you probably don't have a lot of room in your house for say, a giant basket of fresh grain. It is thought that the first writing systems came from this because the priests of the temple would have to keep track of how much grain and other goods so and so had in their cellar or where ever. Though that's a complete aside.
It might be possible then, that the temples functioned much the same way for most of the ancient world. Storing valuable things for people that simply didn't have a room dedicated to all their gold bars and such. Though that requires more research on my part.
Its also possible very wealthy people work in the ancient world much like they do today, with their wealth divested amongst a great number of ventures and some sort of "credit" was introduced just to make sure these people could continue to do business without having to have a wagonload of riches to do it.
I think we Moderns tend to think of wealth being the same as "having lots of money." This isn't even true now. "Wealth" is something that produces. Money is just a measure of the value of a good or service. So, to be wealthy, you need things that produce. Croplands. Vineyards and wineries. Livestock. Mines. Pottery shops. The Rich owned all of these things, and their 'wealth' produced for them things that they could exchange for money to purchase other things.
To answer your next question, there weren't 'banks' as we think of them today, where a depositor can drop off a sack of coins and collect interest on the deposit. There *were* moneylenders, people who had a lot of cash and would let you borrow from them for a fee. Marcus Crassus of the First Triumvirate is a good example. He had a lot of cashflow because he was one of the biggest landlords in Rome. (Most of the plebs lived in big multistory apartment buildings, and thus paid rent.) Marcus' gig was waiting for a fire to break out, and then rushing a paid private firefighting force to the scene. The owner had a choice: sell the imperiled building to Marcus for one sestertius on the denarius, (basically 25% of the value of the building, **a number I literally pulled out of my ass, and should be taken only to illustrate the point**) or watch his property go up in smoke. If he sold, Marcus' men put out the fire, repaired the damage, and Marcus started collecting the rents he (the previous owner) was getting. If he didn't sell, he lost his income (his rents) and was faced with having to pay large sums to completely rebuild on his burnt property. It seems like many took the haircut and sold out.
For Marcus, most of his 'wealth' was in his rent producing properties. This was a constant stream of income for him, that he could then 'diversify' into more property acquisition the next time a fire broke out, or perhaps lend at interest to another 'wealthy' Roman who had lots of farms and vineyards and livestock, maybe an interest in a tin mine somewhere, plus a share in a tax collection company to draw a comfortable steady income from, but not a lot of cash on hand and who needed lots of money NOW. His borrower had lots of Wealth. He didn't have lots of Money. Marcus arranged to correct this imbalance for a fee. (He also could use his access to ready cash to influence people, which is why Pompey and Caesar wanted him in their little club.)
@@jwilde642 Thanks!
@@jwilde642 profiting off people's misfortunes is so very crass
@@moodydude565 I think you mean, very *Crassus.*
“Your average boxers in the gym are not high status guys” this hurt a lil 😢
Well out of all fairness only a few are any different from what would be considered the middle class
@@super5oldier139 yeah true and thats being generous especially in the east
@@tibordavidbartfai7636 The more martial the pursuit, the rarer the chance of finding someone of high social or economic status, upper echelons of the officer corps in the military notwithstanding.
"I'm trying to keep it simple."
Yep.
It is simple, he explains everything in layman terms, and constantly utilizes very pertinent and easy to comprehend analogies. Very few people can do this well, you can be sure it is a sign of intelligence.
32:30 - "A debtor always pays off his Lannister"
I think that's how the saying goes.
This is my area of expertise 2:11 "most gladiators died" i disagree with that.
It is in fact, incorrect to say that MOST gladiators died. As per my university training, the literature, factual evidence and my own research, it is conclusive that ALL gladiators died and none remain alive today. As a Physician i can without any doubt that humans DO NOT live past 100odd years, let alone for well over a millenia.
They had us in the first half not gonna lie
i got fooled
Only lindybeige can talk in front of a camera for 2 hours and still be funny
and do it all unscripted mind you.
In one take.
Need to take the opportunity to say this was probably Lloyd at his finest. Great theories, facts, insights and analogies here. Learnt lots and spent the following few days telling people about gladiators
Past tense. Oops.
Well it's a recorded video, not a livestream. @@LouiseSiefer
"Peace of mind isn't actually a thing."
Lindy, I live with my thoughts every day. I'm very aware. Thank you, bud.
Relateable, man, cheers! for the prison that it is the mind
Cicero also used the term “Gladiator” to indicate a thug, a man who uses brute force to get his way, he used this term while referring to Mark Anthony🤓
uncletigger Very interesting, where does he call him a Pathicus??
uncletigger ok, but there were senators who supported Antony against Cicero, some of them are referred to in the Philippics 🤓
"Now,Gladiators fought for about a 1000years!"
Me:I didnt know people could live that long...
Only if they win most of the time.
Ah a fellow intellectual i see
Me: shut up
Man, their arms must have been tired ;)
surely they got tired after a couple of weeks
I just got the idea that Sean Bean should star in a gladiator film.
Only if he appeared in a fight to the death, because, well, you know the thing about Sean Bean...
Lindy: A Chap you may have heard of, Spartacus
Me: Well of course I've heard of him, he's me!
I'm Spartacus!
I'M Spartacus!
I am Spartacus
I'm Spartacus and so is my wife
metoo
"They didn't put their own head, that would be weird."
put their own head where?
Chuckles
@@Jamal_Tyrone in a fleshlight.
Yeah it would be too small. Definitely weird.
3:48 Lindybeige not realizing the fun of a population that is mostly female 3:55 Lindybeige realizing where the fun is in a vastly female population
and here i was upset that lindybeiges videos are just getting shorter and shorter
Getting shorter? Check out a chronology mate, his early videos were *way* shorter than his more recent ones. Hells, he once put out a video only 31 seconds long at one point. 31 seconds! It wasn't until about 4 years ago that he made a video longer than ten minutes.
Matthew Marden And in mid-July of 2018 he released the mid-length iconic video that was part of the LindyBeige enlightenment period!
it's time to enjoy the internet again
One of the most underrated channels on TH-cam. Lindy is a wonderful instructor/teacher. Deserves far higher viewership. Thanks dude,u’ve provided us with so much information
How can he talk for 2 hours without making anything but minor mistakes and somehow remember everything he was going to talk about?
He has cards in front of him that remind him of some stuff. He mentioned it in some other video.
Practice and knowing quite a lot about the subject matter. I can manage the second on a couple topics, although I’m not especially practiced at speaking.
Lindy spreading my history knowledge for nearly 2 hours while constantly going off topic that is actually more info?
YES PLEASE!!!
I like the conjecture that masks conceal communication. Doesn't it seem also that the helmets were really evocative and added a lot to the show? We LOVE these helmets. Even today they evoke some kind of visceral feeling for us. We're fascinated by them. The idea of someone coming toward you in one of these is pretty frightening. These guys mustve been the superheroes and villains of their time!
Adding on, Maybe the gladiators without helmets were more common in death matches? They had to be more expendable. Was the net some indication that the other gladiator was some sort of violent beast? It could be a high stakes fight between a crowd favorite and some low status guy. Perhaps most of these unhelmed gladiators died in horrible fashion and the crowd loved seeing their expressions? Idunno. It's interesting to consider this as a sport.
"A lanista always pays his debts."
-Tyrionus Lanista
Considering GRRM background I would assume that is exactly where that name came from ^^
@@bastianstiefler3390 Lannister = Lancaster and Stark = York, the two real world houses in the Wars of the Roses.
Exactly what I was thinking, you beat me to it! :D
@@ShadySheev I actually know that is the origin of the fictional house of lannister ^^ my point is he would have known what a lannista was and therefore used the name for the house. Like the house of york inspired the starks but their name in German just means litterally "strong" :)
@@bastianstiefler3390 It is also a common surname in Germany, and I think also Germanic countries that use the same word for "strong", like Denmark, Netherlands, etc.. So to English speakers, it is a special sounding fantasy name, but to German speakers, it's just a normal sounding surname.
To the people who keep saying that Mr. Lloyd has no formal higher education: Here he speaks of earning his "degrees in archaeology. "
Degrees. In plural.
I rest my case.
I'm constantly amazed by your ability to make perfectly reasonable assumptions about historic events just based on human behavior today - like the boxing analogy or the assumption that they loaned out skilled slaves instead of having them fight
That's a big part of my fascination with your videos
Please have a laugh with these two Roman parodies 'Fabula Palliata'
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I'd love to actually play an RPG with Lindy and his mates. Be the most mind melding, educational, interesting and possibly broken gaming session ever.
The Neverending story perhaps?
@@LadyCini Too much detail only makes it more immersive for you, not for the other players who do not have access to the exact thoughts that go on in your mind. I needed to learn this in order to be a proper DM too.
My man have I got news for you about what's going down on Shadiversity's other channel, Game Knights.
Much as i like the guy, i have the feeling he might be sort of annoying to play with, i'm guessing he'd be awfully nitpicky
But hey! i might be wrong! Let's try it out!
"It's your turn to take dad to the afterlife!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Boys, boys, I know how we can settle this."
I put to you that the reason gladiator helmets were so ornate and unique as to make the gladiator wearing it almost like a character, Also could you imagine the glory of "OMNICLOPSE" coming back after a seemingly fatal blow to avenge his lost battle. (its not the same guy , they just slapped another guy of the same build and look of him in the same helmet, Almost as if they are actors playing a role in a play as you say.
A good modern day example would be "KANE" from WWF (the wrestling one not the wildlife one.) They could have switched him out with someone of similar build, after all its the mask that was the character itself
" 'Gladiating' which is now a verb 'cause I just used it as one..."
😁😁😁
"You'll have a population entirely of women, and where's the fun in that?"
Well there must be at least one male left - the one who won all the fights. Guess he might have some fun... watching all the cat-fights.
Might have died from his injuries..... possibly... maybe.... perhaps.... oh well, it was a guess.
lol
Only one male? Death by Snu-Snu
One man left in a nation of females, he would never be able to make all the sandwiches.
I think the women of Lesbos might have disagreed with that statement.
U only need 1 man ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Makes you feel sorry for the poor guys who fought Russel Crowe in the movie "Gladiator". Apparently nobody told Maximus how the whole gladiator thing was supposed to work.
"Alright man let's give the crowd a good show." Wink wink. "NO! NO! NOT LIKE THAT! WTF? AAAAAHH!
CHOP SLASH SPLAT!!! "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!"
I like it - not mentioned was the “visor” and brim of these helmets having a shape so as to channel the sound from directly in front, a bit like a parabolic microphone. It would suggest communication between the fighters even more. Finally, we know that professional wrestlers do just this thing during matches, to minimize injury and to put on the best show. Practical historical archeological analysis. Love it! Now get a couple of reproduction helmets and give it a go: add proof to your pudding.
" Go on three, or after three?" "My left or your left?"
What is that banner with the purple trees on your channel? How do I find that
Lobster Johnson - Beware the claw! So, that banner is from a photo I took of wisteria in an arbor at a place called Dumbarton Oaks in Georgetown, DC. So it’s not exactly available, though I’d send it to you? Thanks tho! :)
"Gladiating"
"Gladiation"
XD
Lesbotic
Lesbicious
Lesbite
@@MajesticSkywhale Was that Fry or Laurie :DD
@@jukka5648 fry
Gladitorial
"Did you gladiate?"
"Yes I did.."
I don't think I've ever watched someone just talk for 2 hours and been so interested
"One of the emperors fought a whale"
Hahahahahaha oh my god what a stupid idea xD
Caligula fought the ocean. Much better idea
Hemmingway tried to kill a sperm whale with a harpoon and a shotgun.
@@zorangligoric1846 I was just about to mention Caligula and his campaign against the God Neptune. XD
@@jumbo4billion what was the whale doing with a shotgun?
Almost 2 hours on a lovely sunday afternoon? Christmas is early this year.
The only problem is, my phone's battery ran out twice while watching it. lol
This is by far my favorite episode. I’ve listened to it over a dozen times and every time I catch a few more details I missed before. Great subject, fantastic presentation! I love your enthusiasm and thought process!
TLDR: gladiating - it's a bit like boxing, but actually it's wrestling.
I can see a lot of parallels to esports, minus the killing ofcourse. But yeah esports nowadays still isnt respected by the general public and old folk
@P A I assume that the contenders are monitored in such a way that cheating with an AI would be impossible. They are there in person after all and probably use a console or PC that the organisers own. Any custom controllers (used in some fighting games popularly) are also checked and sometimes banned for just having extra buttons with slight edge.
RagbagMcShag I mean regular physical sports like boxing and wrestling are clearly more related. Jumping from gladiators to gamers is missing a few steps, but I guess I see what you mean. I’m all for esports, but to me your comment seems a little odd. As in I’m not sure what inspired it. The reception of gladiators vs gamers as a sport is also drastically different. Gladiators were looked down on for being low status killers, but that’s also what made them appealing to some people. They were bad asses and clearly did something physically impressive. It was a guilty pleasure for people across the board.
Then consider eSports. Even if I think Faker is good at league that means very little to someone outside that community. I think its far easier for the masses to appreciate someone who is performing an act that is clearly impressive physically. That applies to gladiators, boxers, footballers, etc all more than eSport pros.
Again I am all for eSports, but it doesn’t involve the same physical skill sets. eSports are more like chess with the added requirement of accurate and quick reactions alongside processing tactics, but a player doesn’t need physical strength behind them to actually succeed. The difference is if some guy weighing 150lbs who could make all the same decisions and movements as a 400lb line backer was put in his place he’d get run over. If someone can make the exact decisions with the same accuracy as another gamer then they are on equal footing despite their physical condition.
Perfect
@P A Making a robot to outplay a human in boxing probably wouldn't be that hard - with machine power it just has to land one punch to knockout a human (or even kill him), while it pretty much can't be damaged, it would be far more difficult to make it fair, interesting for spectators and safe for the human opponent.
"The word Samnite is a very bad insult!"
"... these brave Samnite gladiators..."
-Roughly what a (not mad) politically correct Roman could have said
The Swedes at Paradox who programmed the PC game Imperator Rome, know how to get rid of the Samnites with just one click of the mouse button. Jews too.
That 100 Lions story actually pissed me off and I wasn't even there to see it.
I'd imagine the crowd as first would be cheering, then when they realized what was going on, it slowly died down to almost silence with many people leaving, but of course they couldn't boo because he's the emperor.
But yeah, showing that you are senselessly cruel and egotistical isn't exactly the best way to win the public.
“They didn’t exactly send their A team...
Really like sending in the national guard”🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Were you thinking of rambo: first blood too?
Chase afraid not i was just thinking about how everybody in the Army talks about the national guard:)
@@calebroberts5422 same lol
Public reaction to Commodus' Lion massacre: he's wasting the money I paid in taxes on this?
Mad respect for almost 2 hours of solid content with no cuts Lindy
This Lock-down is having two consequences for me. First, I am finally watching some of Lindy's very long videos that I hadn't previously managed to get round to. Second, I am attempting to grow a Lindybeard.
The first is proving highly rewarding.
As to the second - the jury's still out.
@@Dermaa On balance, I'm pleased with the result. I'd expected it to be grey, but it's turned out pure white. Perhaps a whole new future is opening in front of me as a Father Christmas impersonator...
Lemme guess... no jumpcuts...
Edit: yep, I knew it
Real men don't need jump cuts
Fun fact: the common misconception around “vomitoria”-that they were places for gluttonous nobles to purge their stomachs at hedonistic feasts-comes from the Flavian Amphitheater (or is adjacent to it).
The term vomitorium means “the place where the people spill out” or, the great passages from the seating areas into the street.
So, if you’re on a first date at an arena, and you don’t want a second date, just drop that fun fact in there.
No one who knows that has ever been on a date. 😂
2 hours, perfect for ironing my shirts on a sunday
Yeah, perfect for shogun 2... I mean ironing shirts, that's what I meant
@@onasknox9284 shit now I'm starting shogun 2 on my computer. Gotta conquer Japan for the shogun!!!!!
@@lonelylongdistancekiller9844 You gonna make a girl fall asleep mid bj? 2 hours...
I hope they’re all beige.
@@josharntt
There are other things my boyfriend might enjoy but really, if he is in charge of music/entertainment in general there is some expectation, that I assume natural, of him offering equally.
The automatically generated captioning thinks that you're saying "Lannister", so the sidebar is showing a Game of Thrones advert. Fnarf fnarf.
Fnarf?
SpearHunked fnarf
Fnarf fnarf
25:20 -"now there are 30 lions cowering in a corner'" As a South African that's the funniest thing I've heard since I subscribed to your awesome channel 2years ago
The Lindy Dictionary defines a person being involved in gladiation is indeed a person gladiating.
1 hour and 50 minutes... I can't wait for my brain to be filled to the absolute brim!
"Gladiators fought for a thousand years" - this is why they should have had a union. A thousand years before you can retire? Awful.
Lloyd: *makes a video about Gladiators*
Me: *hovers mouse over the thumbs up button before clicking it*
Lloyd is always a champion.
genius comment
Reckless Roges Yeah I gave up a while ago. I just thumbs up first now.