Defendants are entitled to a degree of privacy because they may be found not guilty. In my opinion, I think that a NG verdict should mean that the defendant can pick up the shreds of their life and should have as little damage inflicted on it as possible. Televised proceedings means that trials become entertainment where the lives of citizens are at stake.
They will only televise the sentencing notes and not the trial or any preliminary hearings. The sentence is usually passed weeks or months after the verdict/guilty plea for serious crimes. It depends on pre-sentencing reports etc. The usual reporting restrictions will still apply.
it's also about pushing knowledge on what offences are tried and failed and succeed instead of documents people can watch videos I don't think they should be on day time TV but they should have public access record to know emotional sense of things it feels like america is degrading and GB is becoming more free like america was.
Don't take it for granted. It takes many centuries to nurture a justice system. Who can forget the chimney sweep boy who found a ring in the Thames mud-flats. Took it to a jeweller to be valued, and the jeweller stole the stone. Turns out it was the Queen's jeweller, but the case went to court and the boy won.
This shows only 2 minutes of a 20 minute judges sentencing summary and without listening to it in full the opinion you reach will be totally incorrect because you will be ignorant of the full facts of this very complex and sad case.
That’s the whole reason for a jury. To listen to (and 21st century, watch) evidence, contemplate, digest and make a decision. Nothing has changed apart from it being digitally recorded.
I watched the 20minute video and found this case truly truly sad… But most people wont watch it and absolutely jump to conclusion on thinking 10years was ridiculous of a sentence. He will most likely not be released after 10 years anyway, as showed in the longer video that man’s impact of life’s trauma is so deep that there is such a low chance of turning things around for him. Truly truly sad of a story.
@@FloatingCroc Nothing has changed yet, but when/if he appeals his sentence or reaches his parole date you will have the opinions of 2 sets of people: The ones who bothered to watch the full sentencing where this young mans brutal life is laid out, and the ones who saw this edit. You don't have to scroll down far to find people complaining about the leniency of the sentence, and public opinion has some capacity to change decisions, not as much as we probably like to think, but its there. As you say so far "Nothing has changed apart from it being digitally recorded" So other than for entertainment purposes, whats the point? Why risk corrupting the system?
The wigs serve the purpose of detaching the person from the function. Remember Tont Blair in cabinet saying, "Just call me Tony." No. You're the Prime Minister and need to be reminded of that fact. MPs are referred to by constituency for the same reason. Lose the wigs and lose justice.
On one hand, transparency is good but what if someone didn't do something and it was played out in public? Imagine the humiliation of someone in distress and fighting for their freedom.
Right. So y'all's problem is with televising the trial and verdict and y'all are completely OK with the sentence imposed. Or the brevity of said sentence rather. Alrighty then, gotcha.
Privacy is extremely important. When your sense of privacy is violated, that feeling doesn't just "go away", it can leave a permanent scar. As for judging other people, other human beings don't possess GOD-levels of knowledge to do this, so therefore cannot deem themselves suitable to do so in the first place. Human beings are limited to learning, preventing, preempting, brainstorming, and teaching others *what they know to be true.* As far as I'm concerned, I would simply tell anyone (were I "invited" to go to court (which is what it is - a *summons))* that their "law" is against my religion, as they're defying certain, more reliable scripture, in my estimation. The onus would be on _them,_ to persuade me to come over to their side.
@@iloveyoushima I don't claim to know the truth of his backstory, whether in his defence, or otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, it ought to be up to a culprit, to right any wrongs themselves (to their victims) unconditionally voluntarily. A trial - and the presence of other people - aren't needed to establish this. The whole thing is a joke to me - a pernicious control mechanism that STILL pervades society and undermines the nature of the human spirit.
Not a good idea....people playing up to the camera etc and surely witnesses and defendants are allowed some degree of privacy. Some things are just best left alone
This is PATHETIC. In the US, trials of major public interest are routinely shown in extenso. The whole thing. Justice with transparency. Not just the judge's sentencing. The UK justice system is archaic and conservative. A closed shop. PATHETIC.
She was. With the cameras there, she had to incarcerate him instead of letting him go with a stern warning and compensation for the 500 plus days he spent in pre-trial detention. Watch the fullo version, she spent the first 3/4 of her diatribe making excuses for this waste of skin's actions.
When you are only listen to 2 minutes of a 20 minute judges sentencing summary you will not surprisingly form the wrong opinion. The full version is also on TH-cam and will answer all your questions and some. You couldn't write these circumstances !
@@dannyH84 You don’t know what you’d do because you’ve never been beaten and gang raped by your own grandfather so that was a really stupid thing to say.
Watched the whole thing on sky news before this. I honestly had no words. A life sentence implies that someone had a life in the first place. This guy didn't, he had no choice in anything that happened to him before his grandfather's death.
The people who sit on high chairs are the worst judges. The higher they are, the lower they’re brought……eventually. And as it is, those chairs have extremely brittle legs
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I used to like the difference between U.K and American televised Court room difference. The U.K doesn't make things into entertainment and is more respectful of privacy. It can also effect children and families.
“The British Justice system is a joke” - You have one of the toughest sentencing laws in the Western World pal; most European countries do not even come close to the UK in terms of sentencing and neither do the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc
@@Krovos_ there are reasons for everything. Doesn't mean you lessen the consequences. You can't just murder someone regardless of your excuses or circumstances. End of. And if circumstances led to it then all the more reason to be locked up for life so it doesnt happen again
This is a bad idea... Law is not entertainment. The reason cameras were banned in the first place was because of the public clamour for details in the most tawdry trials. If people want to see the (frankly boring), proceedings, then they should get off their fat arses and sit in the public gallery.
No he won’t, his grandfather repeatedly raped and beat him from the day he was born. Also raped his grandmother and mother. He also allowed the (severely autistic, by the way,) man to be kidnapped and raped for almost a week for money and threatened to kill him if he told anyone. Watch the full trial or do your own research.
I dont care about this case sad as it is. MY CONCERN is the absolute CORRUPT SYSTEM and im glad more cameras will hopefully be allowed. This is because the CAMERA NEVER LIES. And im hoping this will keep judges and all public authorites ACCOUNTABLE. I continue to hope the public fight for our RIGHTS & have these autnority figures to start SERVING US.
I have a female friend who wanted a divorce on the grounds of adultery. She has autism she was told you no longer get legal aid for family court unless it’s on the grounds of domestic violence or statuary rape she was advised to report one of these allegations to get legal aid , that’s why family courts should ever be open courts
Guess they didn’t because he was smiling only getting nine years and disregard what judge says he will be out in 6 under a new name a house and funds so we pay to keep him in meals warmth etc then foot the bill for a easy life when out seems crime does pay
Bring your kids to watch the hangings. I disagree with this entirely . Just fuels mob justice. Leads to show boating seudo celebrity judges. Justice is not entertainment. It should be sad for everyone when someone slips into a life of criminality. Someone who will not be able to contribute to society and make society better. There's entire families and communities who need to reconsile with court decisions.
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another wast of money .if u under 16 you cant get prosicutedin this country .the law not there for honest people .wast of time watching this rubbish enjoy life do something positive there enough doom and gloom in world
Defendants are entitled to a degree of privacy because they may be found not guilty. In my opinion, I think that a NG verdict should mean that the defendant can pick up the shreds of their life and should have as little damage inflicted on it as possible. Televised proceedings means that trials become entertainment where the lives of citizens are at stake.
Not guity doesn't mean they didn't commit the offence.
@@matinhewing1 Likewise for those guilty (miscarriage of justice)...?
Hence they only show the sentencing.
They will only televise the sentencing notes and not the trial or any preliminary hearings. The sentence is usually passed weeks or months after the verdict/guilty plea for serious crimes. It depends on pre-sentencing reports etc. The usual reporting restrictions will still apply.
it's also about pushing knowledge on what offences are tried and failed and succeed instead of documents people can watch videos I don't think they should be on day time TV but they should have public access record to know emotional sense of things
it feels like america is degrading and GB is becoming more free like america was.
The real cameras should have televised ghislaine maxwells trial
Don't take it for granted.
It takes many centuries to nurture a justice system.
Who can forget the chimney sweep boy who found a ring in the Thames mud-flats.
Took it to a jeweller to be valued, and the jeweller stole the stone.
Turns out it was the Queen's jeweller, but the case went to court and the boy won.
This shows only 2 minutes of a 20 minute judges sentencing summary and without listening to it in full the opinion you reach will be totally incorrect because you will be ignorant of the full facts of this very complex and sad case.
That’s the whole reason for a jury. To listen to (and 21st century, watch) evidence, contemplate, digest and make a decision. Nothing has changed apart from it being digitally recorded.
I watched the 20minute video and found this case truly truly sad… But most people wont watch it and absolutely jump to conclusion on thinking 10years was ridiculous of a sentence. He will most likely not be released after 10 years anyway, as showed in the longer video that man’s impact of life’s trauma is so deep that there is such a low chance of turning things around for him. Truly truly sad of a story.
After 3 minutes I burst into tears, this poor lad, I know he did wrong but ffs his background is appalling 😢
@@FloatingCroc Nothing has changed yet, but when/if he appeals his sentence or reaches his parole date you will have the opinions of 2 sets of people: The ones who bothered to watch the full sentencing where this young mans brutal life is laid out, and the ones who saw this edit. You don't have to scroll down far to find people complaining about the leniency of the sentence, and public opinion has some capacity to change decisions, not as much as we probably like to think, but its there. As you say so far "Nothing has changed apart from it being digitally recorded" So other than for entertainment purposes, whats the point? Why risk corrupting the system?
Doesn't matter, at this point they've already been sentenced, What people think is irrelevant
This is a terrible idea. Do we really have to copy everything the Americans do?
Haven't we always? One day we might just wake up and realise that not everything over there is better. Some hopes...
The family court should be open to public and tv as it’s the most corrupt court in the land
9 years for killing someone. wow.
Man what did you want A KILL. 9 YEARS ehat did you want 8 months?
@@Daniel04639 I think he means 9 years isn't long enough
America could give him the magical chair!
@@Daniel04639 Obviously means to any thinking person thay 9 yrs is certainly NOT long enough for killing someone.
Look into the circumstances, i5e not as simple as you think
Welcome to the UK where a life sentence can be as little as 10 years. Ridiculous..... Life means life end of!
9 years for murder wtf
It was manslaughter. You need to see the full 20 minutes before you can comment. It's not easy viewing.
@@alanjenkins2203 look at him though 😂
It's so sad for everyone involved.
Oh good we've finally got cameras so they world can now see how much of a joke our justice sytem is rather then hearing it. Brilliant 👏 👏
My first thoughts too
@@Aaronsteel94 joke mate
What is this? America.
Great, we can expect arm chair judgments and other extremists to have a field day.
"You may , go down....." ice cold
This makes me admire the UK justice system. This seems very thorough and fair.
Because of their accent. They can be corrupt and Justice can bought in the UK as well
@@aaronlewis2501 actually, it was the calmness and thoroughness of the explanation
Surely life should mean life?
I can never take those wigs seriously
The wigs serve the purpose of detaching the person from the function. Remember Tont Blair in cabinet saying, "Just call me Tony." No. You're the Prime Minister and need to be reminded of that fact. MPs are referred to by constituency for the same reason. Lose the wigs and lose justice.
@@morespywareforyou2262 I understand that but no one who isnt aware of any of that still lools lile a clown show
On one hand, transparency is good but what if someone didn't do something and it was played out in public? Imagine the humiliation of someone in distress and fighting for their freedom.
Right. So y'all's problem is with televising the trial and verdict and y'all are completely OK with the sentence imposed. Or the brevity of said sentence rather. Alrighty then, gotcha.
Disgusting. The people are just as dangerous as this man.
It's so sad we're getting like America everyday
Cool, can we bring back capital punishment? 👍
@@simonbird1973 💯
It’s not the same when you can only see the judge
Wow the British justice system finally growing a pair and not worried about peoples feelings?? No I’m dreaming!
Privacy is extremely important.
When your sense of privacy is violated, that feeling doesn't just "go away", it can leave a permanent scar.
As for judging other people, other human beings don't possess GOD-levels of knowledge to do this, so therefore cannot deem themselves suitable to do so in the first place.
Human beings are limited to learning, preventing, preempting, brainstorming, and teaching others *what they know to be true.*
As far as I'm concerned, I would simply tell anyone (were I "invited" to go to court (which is what it is - a *summons))* that their "law" is against my religion, as they're defying certain, more reliable scripture, in my estimation.
The onus would be on _them,_ to persuade me to come over to their side.
What are you talking about? This man doesn’t deserve jail at all. Do you even know the backstory?
@@iloveyoushima I don't claim to know the truth of his backstory, whether in his defence, or otherwise.
As far as I'm concerned, it ought to be up to a culprit, to right any wrongs themselves (to their victims) unconditionally voluntarily.
A trial - and the presence of other people - aren't needed to establish this.
The whole thing is a joke to me - a pernicious control mechanism that STILL pervades society and undermines the nature of the human spirit.
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 I wasn’t replying to you.
@@iloveyoushima for some reason that keeps happening.
They keep going to the wrong account.
It's deeply scary knowing thus back story everything him and his family have gone through
We arent america ffs
When and where can I watch live court cases in the UK please?
Thank You 😊
People need to see the entire trial and evidence. Seeing just the sentence does not help . In US they show the entire trial if it’s in public sentence
Not a good idea....people playing up to the camera etc and surely witnesses and defendants are allowed some degree of privacy.
Some things are just best left alone
Why is it that a defendant over here can’t be filmed ? Is it Incase they have a bad reaction or something?!
This is PATHETIC. In the US, trials of major public interest are routinely shown in extenso. The whole thing. Justice with transparency. Not just the judge's sentencing. The UK justice system is archaic and conservative. A closed shop. PATHETIC.
It sounds like the judge is on the verge of tears.
She was. With the cameras there, she had to incarcerate him instead of letting him go with a stern warning and compensation for the 500 plus days he spent in pre-trial detention. Watch the fullo version, she spent the first 3/4 of her diatribe making excuses for this waste of skin's actions.
@@alexmorris5028 Give at least 1 example of this actually happening....
Manslaughter? How is that not considered murder. Stabbed him more than 20 times.
People getting longer sentences for drugs than for murder.
Defence of diminished responsibility
When you are only listen to 2 minutes of a 20 minute judges sentencing summary you will not surprisingly form the wrong opinion.
The full version is also on TH-cam and will answer all your questions and some. You couldn't write these circumstances !
@@jjefferyworboys8138 nothing justifies it. Killing is killing.
@@mr__OK if it was considered justified he would not be getting sentenced at all
@@mr__OK well what would you do if what happend to him from the age of 3 happend to you 🤔
I've felt that ,a bad joke
What this guy went through I his life is shocking.dont just read the headlines.
It’s a difficult one sadly. I wouldn’t kill my granddad if he abused me. No one has a right too take another persons life
@@dannyH84 did you watch the full judgement?
@@stuartparker6838 I sure did. I actually heard it all.
@@dannyH84 I feel sorry for him
@@dannyH84 You don’t know what you’d do because you’ve never been beaten and gang raped by your own grandfather so that was a really stupid thing to say.
Why television show out of it?
Good. Now they can make a British Judge Judy show wig and all
Another comment section full of self righteous individuals who love getting on their high horses without actually knowing the facts of the case.
Watched the whole thing on sky news before this. I honestly had no words.
A life sentence implies that someone had a life in the first place. This guy didn't, he had no choice in anything that happened to him before his grandfather's death.
The people who sit on high chairs are the worst judges. The higher they are, the lower they’re brought……eventually. And as it is, those chairs have extremely brittle legs
Please go back to drawing because too SEE those wigs I can't🤣🤣🤣
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Brainwashed, what about the Bio labs, & Child Trafficking etc?
@@hkloss11 You Clown! Lol
Don't talk about democratic values given the absurd corruption and undemocratic practises carried out by your nations government.
@@mikeoxlong4110 most people are
@k 1 I know what’s going on in the world 🌎 lgbt black v white distraction
Do the defendants get the choice of it being filmed because if not then this is not a good thing
Why are they being televised?
Time to join the US of A BABBYY!! Judge Judy UK legooo
10 year for stabbing someone to death
Scotland has had live cameras in courts for years, England is just a little bit slow in catch up
Scotland have only just got channel 5
Imagine if they were allowed when Johnny depp was suing yall
10 years is not enough
Terrible sentence
10.5 it’s should be 11.2 makes no difference imo
Good, this will much improve true crime documentaries.
weak system 25 year min for murder not matter if you plead guilty or not
First time? Are they still living in the middle ages?
If only johnny depp's case against the sun had been televised.....
I used to like the difference between U.K and American televised Court room difference.
The U.K doesn't make things into entertainment and is more respectful of privacy.
It can also effect children and families.
Disgusting airing this to the public, courts hold your heads in absolute shame. The judge should be sentenced for breaking privacy.
Wow 10 yrs not really life is it ,pointless until punishment becomes severe for these kind of crimes it won’t stop 🤔 why is Bronson still in jail ??
In all. Who is going to watch this except people on Microsoft news.
10yrs is not life
That's a minimum....
Nice!
The sentence is not harsh enough!! Life should mean life and, stop letting these people out ever again!! The British Justice system is a joke!!!
If you listen to the judges full length 20 minutes sentencing summary (also on youtube) you will reach a different conclusion in this case.
This men was groomed by his step dad and his granddad was an abuser to his mother and grandma.
@@jjefferyworboys8138 nonsense. 9 years is a joke, nithing in that 20min makes me think differently.
“The British Justice system is a joke” - You have one of the toughest sentencing laws in the Western World pal; most European countries do not even come close to the UK in terms of sentencing and neither do the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc
Was he guilty? Yes he was, lock him up for the rest of his natural life.
Watch the full sentencing on Sky. The story isn't as simple as murder. His whole story is super depressing and there was probably no escaping it.
What is unnatural life?
@@Krovos_ there are reasons for everything. Doesn't mean you lessen the consequences. You can't just murder someone regardless of your excuses or circumstances. End of. And if circumstances led to it then all the more reason to be locked up for life so it doesnt happen again
This is a bad idea... Law is not entertainment. The reason cameras were banned in the first place was because of the public clamour for details in the most tawdry trials. If people want to see the (frankly boring), proceedings, then they should get off their fat arses and sit in the public gallery.
Broken society. Someone killed a person and they they gave him 10 years in prison. What is this? This guy will do the same when he will come out
Only eligible for parole after 10.. He could be there for 20+ depending on parole board.
The person he killed literally touched kids...
No he won’t, his grandfather repeatedly raped and beat him from the day he was born. Also raped his grandmother and mother. He also allowed the (severely autistic, by the way,) man to be kidnapped and raped for almost a week for money and threatened to kill him if he told anyone. Watch the full trial or do your own research.
stop this justicetainment once and for all us started it
I am so sad that is my real brither I swear bro
It's time we bring back the death penalty. As soon as the government in charge realise this , the better. Too many sickos these days ☹️.
Its against fundamental rights and tbh a death penalty is less pain than a life sentence.
@@David-tb4cv more to send out a message. Plus satisfaction for the victims families. Don't think the UK is bothered about human rights tbh lol
@@philipburgin3109 its a bad message plus the family can see the criminal suffering every day
@@David-tb4cv actually, your right!. the Tories would start hanging people for doing 35mph on a 30mph road lol. Control freaks!
@@David-tb4cv bro why do u care
I dont care about this case sad as it is. MY CONCERN is the absolute CORRUPT SYSTEM and im glad more cameras will hopefully be allowed. This is because the CAMERA NEVER LIES. And im hoping this will keep judges and all public authorites ACCOUNTABLE. I continue to hope the public fight for our RIGHTS & have these autnority figures to start SERVING US.
I have a female friend who wanted a divorce on the grounds of adultery. She has autism she was told you no longer get legal aid for family court unless it’s on the grounds of domestic violence or statuary rape she was advised to report one of these allegations to get legal aid , that’s why family courts should ever be open courts
Rape , the guy did wrong but did not deserve that just so his partner could get legal aid .
All for everybody’s entertainment.. sad.
Good
Great rusia
Ah so he's a batty boy then
& he’s gunna get abused again. We hope
It should show the guilty persons face while they are sentenced!
They shouldn't, watch the trail on sky news, the man was troubled alot
@@joz9515 troubled or not he murdered someone he should be shamed
@@h9992-j6u I'm not trying to justify it but watch the trail on sky news!! Then talk to me
@@h9992-j6u How do you feel about your countries soldiers killing people in a different country?
Guess they didn’t because he was smiling only getting nine years and disregard what judge says he will be out in 6 under a new name a house and funds so we pay to keep him in meals warmth etc then foot the bill for a easy life when out seems crime does pay
Bring your kids to watch the hangings. I disagree with this entirely .
Just fuels mob justice. Leads to show boating seudo celebrity judges.
Justice is not entertainment.
It should be sad for everyone when someone slips into a life of criminality.
Someone who will not be able to contribute to society and make society better. There's entire families and communities who need to reconsile with court decisions.
Last evening I was eating dinner in a fancy restaurant. The waiter asked me if I wanted to order more food, so I replied “I am Ukraine". He then handed me the bill as he knew I was finished.
You probably live in St Petersburg since ur video has Russian letters
Tell that the Ukranians and their HIMARS
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May Jesus Christ bless and protect Ukrainians ✝️✝️❤🙏
What i have an serious issue with; as well as many others is life is
Tcpo ?
Why they still wear those wigs an expect people to take them seriously
Shame she couldn’t of put her black square hat on top of said silly wig & sentence him to death!
Forreal who TF do they think they are?
They take them seriously when they end up in Jail wig or no wig.
bro the wig got power, wth
another wast of money .if u under 16 you cant get prosicutedin this country .the law not there for honest people .wast of time watching this rubbish enjoy life do something positive there enough doom and gloom in world
Don’t know where you got that information I was convincted at 13 in England anyone over 10 can be held criminally responsible