This build feels like almost a new subclass for rogue. We always see the rogue archetype of attacking really fast, and overwhelming enemies with pure speed. With no extra attack, however, rogues never really felt like you could play that. This is why your videos are awesome, and I'm glad that I found such a great new channel!
That's a real good build based for the new rules since the thief can be cracked with 4 attuned magic items giving him even crazier damage. Although it's sad to see that assassin is now suboptimal for one shot builds. Old assassin/paladin would go crazy reaching almost 2k dmg at lvl 20 before the enemies would get a turn lmao
This is really cool. One downside though is that the longsword doesn't have the nick mastery property, so this doesn't actually work without dm approval.
I'm really glad that true strike works so well with rogue now. My players always loved gfb/bb , but truestrike just feels a lot more thematically consistent.
That's correct. The new 2024 phb spells out magic actions and attack actions as different things. He could however Action: Dagger, Dagger (because of nick), Bonus action: Truestrike scroll.
Correct. You can't proc the Light weapon property attack (thus Nick), Dual Wielder, or Polearm Master bonus action attacks unless you take the Attack action. With Haste, a Thief Rogue 3 and Eldritch Knight Fighter 7 could cast True Strike as an action and Cleave with it, take the Attack action and attack twice, activating Nick with at least one, replace the Nick attack with True Strike, then cast True Strike from a scroll using Fast Hands as a bonus action. lol
2:57 that’s not how it works. It doesn’t say that it’s the extra attack with the light property, it just says it’s an extra bonus action attack. This does mean that you could make use the extra attack from light with nick and this, doing 3 attacks at level 4 and 4 at level 5 if you get extra attack. However it also mean you can’t ever add your ability modifier (unless it’s negative) even if you have the two weapon fighting style
Correct, the Dual Wielder Feat says absolutely nothing about Nick...not sure where he got that idea. However, the Two-Weapon Fighting Style *does* let you add your ability modifier to the Bonus Action attack it grants since the style says "When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property," and the Dual Wielder feat grants "one extra attack as a Bonus Action" as the result of using a Light weapon. (Though I suppose that's irrelevant, since this build can't make any use of the Dual Wielder feats, since the idea is to use the Magic Action as a Bonus Action all the time.)
@@XP_Goblin I wonder how the build would perform using a rapier as the main hand and a scimitar as the off-hand. That would give access to both Vex (rapier) and Nick (scimitar) for Advantage to the assassin's next attack (i.e., the scimitar) and still hit with the off-hand scimitar as part of the Attack action, preserving the Bonus action for something else..
@@davidsmart41he has to forget about shillelag and will have to hit normally with dex or strenght with the first attack while his second is with true strike
If you have weapon mastery with daggers, you get to use the nick property of the dagger, not that you learn the nick property and can use it with any light weapon. So nick only works with daggers and sickles, as both are the only weapons that have it.
@@Razdasoldier That's not what I was refuting... They said daggers and sickles "are the only weapons that have [the Nick property]". Of course, to make a nick attack, the weapon has to have Nick.
@@ATinyWaffle You are right. The other day I were looking for nick weapons and only did see those two. Well, then the scimitar is a really good weapon.
Cool idea for a video. Try to find the highest possible roll on one ability check. I found out that rogue expertise, the rune knight fighters fire rune, and the artificers tool expertise all double your proficiency bonus on theives tool checks. With a six proficiency bonus and a 20 dex, that's a plus 53 to thieves tool checks, since each doubling is compounded. The obvious increases are guidance for a plus 4 and bardic inspiration for a plus 12, giving a total of plus 69, but I want to see what i missed, and how extreme this can become
So just to make sure I understand by level 11: High elf Guide background at level one with the truestrike cantrip (charisma spell mod) and shillelagh cantrip (charisma spell mod), start with 4 levels into thief rogue and grab dual wielder feat, take a level dip into paladin at level 5 and take the divine favor spell, then level into valor bard until level 11 for extra attack, but then somehow you backtrack and go a 7th level into bard instead and have 3 levels into rogue which then means you no longer have dual wielder unless you take it through bard (?). So your equipment is a club and shortsword at level 1, then a club and longsword at level 5 and beyond. You equip yourself with scrolls of true strike and cast divine favor (before combat assumedly?) so as an action you can swing your shillelagh club then use the nick property to swing the longsword (which doesn't have the light property, it has the versatile property) then because you are dual wielding with the feat for it you swing the longsword again and then you get another swing from the club from extra attack and then you use your thief bonus action quick hands to activate a scroll of true strike allowing you to swing the shillelagh club again for a total of 3 club swings and 2 longsword swings to do an average dpr of 40 vs ac 17? Just trying to make sure I've followed everything correctly. Please feel free to correct any errors I have in understanding.
There is few issues with that. First, neither longsword nor club is a finesse weapon, so you get no sneak attack. Also, long sword isn't a light weapon and neither long sword nor club has the nick property, which means you get no nick attack either, also you are using your bonus action twice in your example, both to make dual wielder attack, and to use true strike scroll, you only get one bonus action per round. Not to mention it takes you several bonus actions to set up both divine favor and shillelagh before you can start using your bonus action on either of those aforementioned things.
@@Klaital1 look man I'm just making sure I heard the video right lmao for all I know in the 2024 edition you get 3 bonus actions or some scuffed shit. It looks like he was saying you can essentially cast 5 spells and attack 5 times in the first round of combat for a total dpr of 40 vs AC 17 by 11th level character. Which, to me, sounds a little bit off but in all honesty WotC stopped caring about balance in 2016
@@Klaital1 it should also be noted that the video displayed schimitar when describing daggers, so it's my understanding that after the paladin dip you were supposed to basically Zolo Zoro this shiz with a longsword, club, and schimitar cuz like you stated you cannot actually use nick or sneak attack without it, right? Unless 2024 changed sneak attack too?
Dude, you're only at the tip of the iceberg. lol SO MUCH is wrong with this "build". Also, it only does at best 7 DPR at level 1 and 12 at level 5. Dude was accounting for AC10. He's out there with a Rogue 4 Paladin 1 fighting goats and commoners, while using 3 bonus actions in a single turn at the start of every combat, and then completely changing his character's class levels and features whenever he wants like it's Baldur's Gate 3. And by the end of it, he doesn't tell us what the stats are, other than that there's clearly a +2 in Dexterity, and we don't even find out the species until level 5. lol Not to mention he's sneak attacking with clubs, and concentrating on two spells at once with the assumption that they'll never drop and an ally is always in melee for sneak attack.
@XP_Goblin only if they fail the DC 13 save from the scroll, assuming you buy. Command you risk damage to Disengage, truestrike is no extra risk just damage. So it's situational but if you expect to 1 shot, true strike would be the more reliable strategy
It doesn't. Almost nothing in the build is correct, or works as portrayed. It does about 7 DPR at level 1, and an average of 12 at level 5 across a 3-round fight. It also scales very poorly. OP later just conveniently respecs the entire build for higher levels like it's Baldur's Gate 3. lol
@@RaethFennec I change the build bc this isn't one build. I go over different possibilities. I did get a few things wrong like rapier instead of longsword and prob cant even use a rapier instead as the 2024 dual wielder feat actually specifies that only on the bA attack can you change weapons. (not that I even added that dice on half the attacks lol) But at lvl 1 my calculations were correct. You make two attacks. CHR is +2, PROF is +2, for a +4 to hit or as I said in the video against a 10AC that'd be a 75% chance to hit. Then adding the dice which at lvl 1 would be 1d8 +2 (shillelagh), 1d6 (scimitar nick), 1d6 (sneak att), you get a DPR of 11.4
@@XP_Goblin You present it as a build, but it's not. That's where the issue comes in. The title is, as I write this, literally "Most POWERFUL Assassin in DnD Max Damage BUILD". 11.4 is correct, actually! If you're fighting a regular rat, or a goat, and always have an ally next to it. In a real fight against even goblins or kobolds, that goes out the window and it drops to ~7. Even with an ally there constantly, it might only see ~9.
This actually seems really cool; they'd be extremely good at assassination and would be terrifying even for high level adventurers. I think I might play around with rumors of some ancient assassin who targets heroes, and once they get powerful enough they'll have to fend them off and the BBEG will taunt about hiring the assasin.
@@XP_Goblin You're probably my favorite d and d youtube channel already. Also that goblin BBEG I mentioned in the comments of one of your previous videos has been getting hinted at; I am very excited for when the meet him.
@@XP_Goblin The Dual Wielder feat makes no mention of the Nick Property. The Nick Property refers to "the extra attack of the Light property," while the Dual Wielder feat presents the ability to make an attack as a Bonus Action after attacking with a Light weapon. It relies on the Light property, but is not the extra attack of the Light property. Very subtle but important distinction. It's all rather poorly worded, I'd say, given how much confusion and debate there seems to be around it, but it IS precisely worded.
Neither the Longsword nor Club have the Nick mastery. So what’s triggering the Nick attack? I’ll give it to you that the Nick attack doesn’t need to be made with the Nick weapon but you still need the to attack with a weapon with Nick for Nick to be an option. You could either attack with a Nick weapon to trigger the extra attack with a different weapon or attack with a Light weapon and then use the extra attack with the Nick weapon. But you can’t use Nick if you’re not using a weapon that has Nick. Nick is not inherently on all weapons, it’s a mastery property and you need that mastery unlocked in the weapon to use it. Just swap the Longsword back to a Scimitar and you’re all good, plus you could use Sneak Attack then because Scimitar is fineness.
Where does nick remotely mention you have to use the nick weapon? Pull up a single piece of text in the rules which says you do. Every other mastery property is explicit in this regard.
@@NoNo-tl9gb when you select a mastery property you don’t just select Nick or Cleave, you select a weapon. You are only unlocking the ability to use that mastery with that weapon. Nick is unique in that you can use it to activate the extra attack or make the extra attack with it, that’s why the weapon name is not listed in the description. You still need to use the weapon to use its mastery.
@@DrenosNDragons the nick property of the dagger weapon grants you the following benefit: “NICK When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.” Compare this to every other mastery property in the game. Every single one notes how it applies to the weapon. Nick doesn’t. There is no “while holding the weapon” or “with the weapon” or anything like that, you just get to use the benefit. XP Goblin is arguing that RAW, the effect works that way. RAI I could see being different, however clearly RAW supports his statement.
@@NoNo-tl9gb it’s a property of the weapon. There’s no rule that says you can’t use the fitness property on a long sword, you just know that you can’t because in the weapons table the longsword doesn’t have that property. It also doesn’t have the Nick property.
@@DrenosNDragons you are using that property of the weapon. That property simply doesn’t require you to hold that weapon. You’re misunderstanding XP Goblin’s point and the underlying logic.
I've seen a few videos about the thief using truestrike scrolls to get another sneak attack, but they all don't mention how you need to provide all specific material components used when you scribe a spell into a scroll. Truestrike has a specific cost, so would you need to give up a weapon each scroll RAW? Does having the weapon you intend to use the scroll with on you when you're scribing count? Nobody covers this but it's such a key mechanic of the build.
To scribe a scroll, you must have Arcana proficiency, know the scroll, and then spend gold on special ink and paper, and enough work hours to scribe it during down time. The material component is only required when you cast the spell. It's not consumed unless it specifically says it does. Usually, this will have the component read something like "Component: V, S, M (50gp worth of powdered ruby dust, which the spell consumes)".
Wait, how are you using Shillelagh then using nick and a bonus action, Shillelagh doesn't have nick, the first attack would have to be the scimitar or dagger (shortsword doesn't have nick it has vex). Clubs also don't have finesse so can't sneak attack with shillelagh either, so you do slightly less damage.
Almost nothing in the video is correct, don't even worry about it. lol OP rolls melee with 13 AC until level 5, fights nothing but commoners and goats until level 20, concentrates on two spells at once, takes 3 bonus actions on the start of every combat, sneak attacks with clubs, has infinite scrolls and money, and also respecs every several levels like it's Baldur's Gate 3. And for all of it... never tells us what the stat are for this "build". :P We only know it has a +2 Dex modifier the whole time... on a "Rogue". Oh dear...
you could actually amp the damage up much more at the cost of 9th level spells, just take one level in warlock and trade true strike for eldritch blast, which counts for up to 4 attacks per casting, coupled with conjure minor elementals your math would look something like: 1 standard attack 1 nick attack, 4 eldritch blasts for the main action then bonus action 4 more eldritch blasts for a total of 10 attacks per round so, 2d6(Shillelagh) + 1d6 (nick weapon) + 8d10 (eldritch blasts) + 100d8 (10d8x10 attacks) +5 (assuming max charisma and no agonizing because only a 1 level dip) for a total max of: 903 damage or an average of 509.5 dpr with no crits and no misses. or assuming a 75% chance to hit with a 5% crit chance an average dpr of 407.6
So I got bored and made a new background Way of the arts Gain a martial arts die Levels 1-4 d4 Levels 5-10 d6 Levels 11-16 d8 Levels 17- 20 d10 Martial teachings Pick a monk subclass than gain a feature listed by what you choose Open hand Whenever you hit an opponent with a melee attack they must make a dexterity saving throw or they will be prone you can only use this ability once per short or long rest Astral self As a bonus action you can summon either the helmet of the astral self or the arms of the astral self and you gain there abilities you can only use this ability once per long or short rest Drunk master Take a drink of any Alcoholic beverage then you can shoot out fire in a 15 foot cone that deals 2d6 fire damage you can only use this ability once per short or long rest Mercy When ever you hit someone with a melee attack you can ether deal 2d6 necrotic damage or heal a person that is atleast 15 feet away from you, you can only use this ability once per short or long rest
I'm sorry, but this is a mess. You can't sneak attack with a longsword and a club, and you've misunderstood the interaction between Nick and the Dual Wielder feat. In addition, you can't do the weapons juggling that would be required to do your True Strike combo until Bards 6 because you need a free hand and an object interaction to pull out a scroll to cast it, and you need to use your free object interaction to stow or draw a weapon unless you're using the Attack Action. Relatedly, until that point, you can't even use the BA feature of the Dual Wielder feat with True Strike. Using the Light property requires an Attack Action. True Strike (until Bard 6) is just a Magic action. Finally, your "DPR" seem off to me. If you have a max damage of 62, there's no way that you're doing 33 DPR. You might mean that 33 is the average damage if you hit, particularly if your only at a +2 in your attack stat (Charisma).
You are correct, in my build notes I had rapier not longsword for the finesse, but I guess forgot. The dual wielder feat part has removed the just ability to dual wield other types of weapons and specifies only on the bA now which I didn't realize. In 2024 you can draw/stow a weapon as a part of the attack. Meaning you can dual wield with one hand raw. DPR if anything is low. Every time I did a true strike I believe I forgot to add the base weapon damage. I state the AC the dpr is for, you do get to add your prof bonus to your spell casting ability. So while at times you may only have a +2 you could have a +5 to hit. And with elemental weapon it adds a +2. I appreciate all comments correcting me, I seem to always miss something. I fully make these videos between getting off work and going to bed so I might need to rethink that strategy lol
@@XP_Goblin I'm pretty sure you can only juggle as part of the Attack Action, not simply when making a weapon attack. Here's the relevant part of the Rules Glossary (and I'm not aware of any other rules about stowing or drawing weapons as part of an attack): "When you take the Attack action, you can make one attack roll with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike. Equipping and Unequipping Weapons. You can either equip or unequip one weapon when you make an attack as part of this action. You do so either before or after the attack. If you equip a weapon before an attack, you don’t need to use it for that attack. Equipping a weapon includes drawing it from a sheath or picking it up. Unequipping a weapon includes sheathing, stowing, or dropping it. Moving between Attacks. If you move on your turn and have a feature, such as Extra Attack, that gives you more than one attack as part of the Attack action, you can use some or all of that movement to move between those attacks."
@@XP_Goblin Re: DPR, I did some quick math on your level 5 damage report (based off of your formula), and it was only a few points higher than the Warlock baseline. And the issue with a low attack stat is that the baseline assumes a starting attack stat with +3 modifier and bumps to Chat at Levels 4 and 8, and also assumes AC goes up at those points. So at 5 with a 14, you're -2 compared to the baseline. And if you take Dual Wielder as your first ASI, but are using Cha to attack, you're -3 to hit compared to the baseline at 8. The proficiency bonuses are baked into the baseline and don't vary between builds.
At lvl 5 I was against a 10AC as thats what others seem to do for lvl 5, CHR is +2, Prof is +3, for +5 to hit or an 80% chance to hit on each attack. I then stated we would make 3 attacks, for a 99% chance of at least one hit. Then if you input all the dice it comes to 32.865 DPR. I think I may have done the sneak attack calculations based on the assumption id be making the true strike attack with the rapier, so I think the true DPR is 31.67. or 187.39% the warlock baseline or as I said in the video "about 2 times"
@@XP_Goblin I missed your comment about the AC. My bad. That said, I guess I'm confused what you think AC 10 tells you at that level. If that's what you're looking at for your Warlock baseline, it's going to completely skew the results by making accuracy much less important than it is in a real game.
I'm pretty sure on all true strike attacks I also forgot to include the base weapon dice
Rogue Paladin? Sounds like Vax'ildan.
This build feels like almost a new subclass for rogue. We always see the rogue archetype of attacking really fast, and overwhelming enemies with pure speed. With no extra attack, however, rogues never really felt like you could play that. This is why your videos are awesome, and I'm glad that I found such a great new channel!
I appreciate that!
Stuff like that is what makes dnd fun
That didn’t feel like 9 days, that felt like a month. I cant survive without this channel
i really cant belief how fast u are growing,i have watched from the start and am so proud of you
Thank you! Been trying to create cool videos
@@XP_Goblin no, thank you!
That's a real good build based for the new rules since the thief can be cracked with 4 attuned magic items giving him even crazier damage. Although it's sad to see that assassin is now suboptimal for one shot builds. Old assassin/paladin would go crazy reaching almost 2k dmg at lvl 20 before the enemies would get a turn lmao
This is really cool. One downside though is that the longsword doesn't have the nick mastery property, so this doesn't actually work without dm approval.
I'm really glad that true strike works so well with rogue now. My players always loved gfb/bb , but truestrike just feels a lot more thematically consistent.
Casting true strike is an action, but is not the attack action. You cannot make a nick attack or extra attacks after casting true strike
That's correct. The new 2024 phb spells out magic actions and attack actions as different things. He could however Action: Dagger, Dagger (because of nick), Bonus action: Truestrike scroll.
Correct. You can't proc the Light weapon property attack (thus Nick), Dual Wielder, or Polearm Master bonus action attacks unless you take the Attack action. With Haste, a Thief Rogue 3 and Eldritch Knight Fighter 7 could cast True Strike as an action and Cleave with it, take the Attack action and attack twice, activating Nick with at least one, replace the Nick attack with True Strike, then cast True Strike from a scroll using Fast Hands as a bonus action. lol
2:57 that’s not how it works. It doesn’t say that it’s the extra attack with the light property, it just says it’s an extra bonus action attack.
This does mean that you could make use the extra attack from light with nick and this, doing 3 attacks at level 4 and 4 at level 5 if you get extra attack.
However it also mean you can’t ever add your ability modifier (unless it’s negative) even if you have the two weapon fighting style
Correct, the Dual Wielder Feat says absolutely nothing about Nick...not sure where he got that idea.
However, the Two-Weapon Fighting Style *does* let you add your ability modifier to the Bonus Action attack it grants since the style says "When you make an extra attack as a result of using a weapon that has the Light property," and the Dual Wielder feat grants "one extra attack as a Bonus Action" as the result of using a Light weapon.
(Though I suppose that's irrelevant, since this build can't make any use of the Dual Wielder feats, since the idea is to use the Magic Action as a Bonus Action all the time.)
@@CalebWilldenoh, didn’t know that. Thank you
@@CalebWillden Oh yea I guess you'd be correct, didn't realize that the just base ability to dual wield the weapons as well didn't transfer from 2014
@@XP_Goblin Still a good build oherwise! And showcases well how crazy Thief can be, haha.
Cant sneak attack with a club or Longsword
I knew there was a reason it was a rapier in my notes lol
@@XP_Goblin I wonder how the build would perform using a rapier as the main hand and a scimitar as the off-hand. That would give access to both Vex (rapier) and Nick (scimitar) for Advantage to the assassin's next attack (i.e., the scimitar) and still hit with the off-hand scimitar as part of the Attack action, preserving the Bonus action for something else..
@@davidsmart41he has to forget about shillelag and will have to hit normally with dex or strenght with the first attack while his second is with true strike
I guess that nothing is stopping him from casting true strike twice on the same round with action and bônus
Also he can't do a nick attack with a long sword either since it's not a light weapon.
If you have weapon mastery with daggers, you get to use the nick property of the dagger, not that you learn the nick property and can use it with any light weapon. So nick only works with daggers and sickles, as both are the only weapons that have it.
Incorrect. Light Hammer and Scimitar also have the Nick property
Right he is saying you need the property on each weapon to use it. @ATinyWaffle
@@Razdasoldier That's not what I was refuting... They said daggers and sickles "are the only weapons that have [the Nick property]". Of course, to make a nick attack, the weapon has to have Nick.
@ATinyWaffle I apologize I thought you were conflicting the first part that was on me for assuming
@@ATinyWaffle You are right. The other day I were looking for nick weapons and only did see those two. Well, then the scimitar is a really good weapon.
Cool idea for a video. Try to find the highest possible roll on one ability check. I found out that rogue expertise, the rune knight fighters fire rune, and the artificers tool expertise all double your proficiency bonus on theives tool checks. With a six proficiency bonus and a 20 dex, that's a plus 53 to thieves tool checks, since each doubling is compounded. The obvious increases are guidance for a plus 4 and bardic inspiration for a plus 12, giving a total of plus 69, but I want to see what i missed, and how extreme this can become
So just to make sure I understand by level 11: High elf Guide background at level one with the truestrike cantrip (charisma spell mod) and shillelagh cantrip (charisma spell mod), start with 4 levels into thief rogue and grab dual wielder feat, take a level dip into paladin at level 5 and take the divine favor spell, then level into valor bard until level 11 for extra attack, but then somehow you backtrack and go a 7th level into bard instead and have 3 levels into rogue which then means you no longer have dual wielder unless you take it through bard (?). So your equipment is a club and shortsword at level 1, then a club and longsword at level 5 and beyond. You equip yourself with scrolls of true strike and cast divine favor (before combat assumedly?) so as an action you can swing your shillelagh club then use the nick property to swing the longsword (which doesn't have the light property, it has the versatile property) then because you are dual wielding with the feat for it you swing the longsword again and then you get another swing from the club from extra attack and then you use your thief bonus action quick hands to activate a scroll of true strike allowing you to swing the shillelagh club again for a total of 3 club swings and 2 longsword swings to do an average dpr of 40 vs ac 17?
Just trying to make sure I've followed everything correctly. Please feel free to correct any errors I have in understanding.
There is few issues with that. First, neither longsword nor club is a finesse weapon, so you get no sneak attack. Also, long sword isn't a light weapon and neither long sword nor club has the nick property, which means you get no nick attack either, also you are using your bonus action twice in your example, both to make dual wielder attack, and to use true strike scroll, you only get one bonus action per round. Not to mention it takes you several bonus actions to set up both divine favor and shillelagh before you can start using your bonus action on either of those aforementioned things.
@@Klaital1 look man I'm just making sure I heard the video right lmao for all I know in the 2024 edition you get 3 bonus actions or some scuffed shit. It looks like he was saying you can essentially cast 5 spells and attack 5 times in the first round of combat for a total dpr of 40 vs AC 17 by 11th level character. Which, to me, sounds a little bit off but in all honesty WotC stopped caring about balance in 2016
@@Klaital1 it should also be noted that the video displayed schimitar when describing daggers, so it's my understanding that after the paladin dip you were supposed to basically Zolo Zoro this shiz with a longsword, club, and schimitar cuz like you stated you cannot actually use nick or sneak attack without it, right? Unless 2024 changed sneak attack too?
Dude, you're only at the tip of the iceberg. lol SO MUCH is wrong with this "build". Also, it only does at best 7 DPR at level 1 and 12 at level 5. Dude was accounting for AC10. He's out there with a Rogue 4 Paladin 1 fighting goats and commoners, while using 3 bonus actions in a single turn at the start of every combat, and then completely changing his character's class levels and features whenever he wants like it's Baldur's Gate 3. And by the end of it, he doesn't tell us what the stats are, other than that there's clearly a +2 in Dexterity, and we don't even find out the species until level 5. lol Not to mention he's sneak attacking with clubs, and concentrating on two spells at once with the assumption that they'll never drop and an ally is always in melee for sneak attack.
You're forgetting you don't need command for 4x sneak attack. BA truestrike scroll will do the same while leaving your reaction free.
Yes, just the command gaurentees that they leave your range.
@XP_Goblin only if they fail the DC 13 save from the scroll, assuming you buy. Command you risk damage to Disengage, truestrike is no extra risk just damage.
So it's situational but if you expect to 1 shot, true strike would be the more reliable strategy
"We'll use our dagger" *displays schimitar on screen* It's nice that rogues get access to any finesse martial weapons in 2024 tho
Don't forget, at the top tier levels, it might be possible for the rogue to have and use, Purple Worm poison on one or more of their weapons.
cool, does almost as much as a normal paladin fighter multiclass
It doesn't. Almost nothing in the build is correct, or works as portrayed. It does about 7 DPR at level 1, and an average of 12 at level 5 across a 3-round fight. It also scales very poorly. OP later just conveniently respecs the entire build for higher levels like it's Baldur's Gate 3. lol
@@RaethFennec I change the build bc this isn't one build. I go over different possibilities. I did get a few things wrong like rapier instead of longsword and prob cant even use a rapier instead as the 2024 dual wielder feat actually specifies that only on the bA attack can you change weapons. (not that I even added that dice on half the attacks lol)
But at lvl 1 my calculations were correct. You make two attacks. CHR is +2, PROF is +2, for a +4 to hit or as I said in the video against a 10AC that'd be a 75% chance to hit. Then adding the dice which at lvl 1 would be 1d8 +2 (shillelagh), 1d6 (scimitar nick), 1d6 (sneak att), you get a DPR of 11.4
@@XP_Goblin You present it as a build, but it's not. That's where the issue comes in. The title is, as I write this, literally "Most POWERFUL Assassin in DnD Max Damage BUILD".
11.4 is correct, actually! If you're fighting a regular rat, or a goat, and always have an ally next to it. In a real fight against even goblins or kobolds, that goes out the window and it drops to ~7. Even with an ally there constantly, it might only see ~9.
This actually seems really cool; they'd be extremely good at assassination and would be terrifying even for high level adventurers. I think I might play around with rumors of some ancient assassin who targets heroes, and once they get powerful enough they'll have to fend them off and the BBEG will taunt about hiring the assasin.
That sounds awesome 👌
@@XP_Goblin You're probably my favorite d and d youtube channel already.
Also that goblin BBEG I mentioned in the comments of one of your previous videos has been getting hinted at; I am very excited for when the meet him.
How are you getting nick attacks with weapons that don't have the nick property?
They have the light property. I go over it in the video. RAW it should work
@XP_Goblin not all light weapons have the nick property.
@@XP_Goblin The Dual Wielder feat makes no mention of the Nick Property. The Nick Property refers to "the extra attack of the Light property," while the Dual Wielder feat presents the ability to make an attack as a Bonus Action after attacking with a Light weapon. It relies on the Light property, but is not the extra attack of the Light property. Very subtle but important distinction.
It's all rather poorly worded, I'd say, given how much confusion and debate there seems to be around it, but it IS precisely worded.
Neither the Longsword nor Club have the Nick mastery. So what’s triggering the Nick attack?
I’ll give it to you that the Nick attack doesn’t need to be made with the Nick weapon but you still need the to attack with a weapon with Nick for Nick to be an option.
You could either attack with a Nick weapon to trigger the extra attack with a different weapon or attack with a Light weapon and then use the extra attack with the Nick weapon. But you can’t use Nick if you’re not using a weapon that has Nick.
Nick is not inherently on all weapons, it’s a mastery property and you need that mastery unlocked in the weapon to use it. Just swap the Longsword back to a Scimitar and you’re all good, plus you could use Sneak Attack then because Scimitar is fineness.
Where does nick remotely mention you have to use the nick weapon? Pull up a single piece of text in the rules which says you do.
Every other mastery property is explicit in this regard.
@@NoNo-tl9gb when you select a mastery property you don’t just select Nick or Cleave, you select a weapon. You are only unlocking the ability to use that mastery with that weapon.
Nick is unique in that you can use it to activate the extra attack or make the extra attack with it, that’s why the weapon name is not listed in the description. You still need to use the weapon to use its mastery.
@@DrenosNDragons the nick property of the dagger weapon grants you the following benefit:
“NICK
When you make the extra attack of the Light property, you can make it as part of the Attack action instead of as a Bonus Action. You can make this extra attack only once per turn.”
Compare this to every other mastery property in the game. Every single one notes how it applies to the weapon.
Nick doesn’t.
There is no “while holding the weapon” or “with the weapon” or anything like that, you just get to use the benefit.
XP Goblin is arguing that RAW, the effect works that way. RAI I could see being different, however clearly RAW supports his statement.
@@NoNo-tl9gb it’s a property of the weapon. There’s no rule that says you can’t use the fitness property on a long sword, you just know that you can’t because in the weapons table the longsword doesn’t have that property. It also doesn’t have the Nick property.
@@DrenosNDragons you are using that property of the weapon. That property simply doesn’t require you to hold that weapon.
You’re misunderstanding XP Goblin’s point and the underlying logic.
I've seen a few videos about the thief using truestrike scrolls to get another sneak attack, but they all don't mention how you need to provide all specific material components used when you scribe a spell into a scroll. Truestrike has a specific cost, so would you need to give up a weapon each scroll RAW? Does having the weapon you intend to use the scroll with on you when you're scribing count? Nobody covers this but it's such a key mechanic of the build.
To scribe a scroll, you must have Arcana proficiency, know the scroll, and then spend gold on special ink and paper, and enough work hours to scribe it during down time. The material component is only required when you cast the spell. It's not consumed unless it specifically says it does. Usually, this will have the component read something like "Component: V, S, M (50gp worth of powdered ruby dust, which the spell consumes)".
Hope you make more of this content
I Like it so much
I have made similar videos and more are on the way, in addition to other types of DnD content as well
Wait, how are you using Shillelagh then using nick and a bonus action, Shillelagh doesn't have nick, the first attack would have to be the scimitar or dagger (shortsword doesn't have nick it has vex). Clubs also don't have finesse so can't sneak attack with shillelagh either, so you do slightly less damage.
Almost nothing in the video is correct, don't even worry about it. lol OP rolls melee with 13 AC until level 5, fights nothing but commoners and goats until level 20, concentrates on two spells at once, takes 3 bonus actions on the start of every combat, sneak attacks with clubs, has infinite scrolls and money, and also respecs every several levels like it's Baldur's Gate 3. And for all of it... never tells us what the stat are for this "build". :P We only know it has a +2 Dex modifier the whole time... on a "Rogue". Oh dear...
The Bonk Assassin
you could actually amp the damage up much more at the cost of 9th level spells, just take one level in warlock and trade true strike for eldritch blast, which counts for up to 4 attacks per casting, coupled with conjure minor elementals your math would look something like:
1 standard attack 1 nick attack, 4 eldritch blasts for the main action then bonus action 4 more eldritch blasts for a total of 10 attacks per round so,
2d6(Shillelagh) + 1d6 (nick weapon) + 8d10 (eldritch blasts) + 100d8 (10d8x10 attacks) +5 (assuming max charisma and no agonizing because only a 1 level dip) for a total max of:
903 damage or an average of 509.5 dpr with no crits and no misses. or assuming a 75% chance to hit with a 5% crit chance an average dpr of 407.6
Would bugbears sneak attack racial ability apply since it has the same name as a different ability of the same name?
I would rule it does, but it might not work for rules as written. Nice catch!
Yes it could apply as well. It just requires surprise, which I didn't want to have to rely on. At max 6 attacks in the build it could add 12d6s
@@XP_Goblin Makes sense thanks homie!
You say dagger but show the scimitar stats, did you mean to say scimitar?
Yes
Love your video
So I got bored and made a new background
Way of the arts
Gain a martial arts die
Levels 1-4 d4
Levels 5-10 d6
Levels 11-16 d8
Levels 17- 20 d10
Martial teachings
Pick a monk subclass than gain a feature listed by what you choose
Open hand
Whenever you hit an opponent with a melee attack they must make a dexterity saving throw or they will be prone you can only use this ability once per short or long rest
Astral self
As a bonus action you can summon either the helmet of the astral self or the arms of the astral self and you gain there abilities you can only use this ability once per long or short rest
Drunk master
Take a drink of any Alcoholic beverage then you can shoot out fire in a 15 foot cone that deals 2d6 fire damage you can only use this ability once per short or long rest
Mercy
When ever you hit someone with a melee attack you can ether deal 2d6 necrotic damage or heal a person that is atleast 15 feet away from you, you can only use this ability once per short or long rest
I saw it in my subscrption box and in my recommendation and now im confused!! Instant Kill or most powerfui Rogue?? we will never know :(
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I'm sorry, but this is a mess. You can't sneak attack with a longsword and a club, and you've misunderstood the interaction between Nick and the Dual Wielder feat. In addition, you can't do the weapons juggling that would be required to do your True Strike combo until Bards 6 because you need a free hand and an object interaction to pull out a scroll to cast it, and you need to use your free object interaction to stow or draw a weapon unless you're using the Attack Action. Relatedly, until that point, you can't even use the BA feature of the Dual Wielder feat with True Strike. Using the Light property requires an Attack Action. True Strike (until Bard 6) is just a Magic action. Finally, your "DPR" seem off to me. If you have a max damage of 62, there's no way that you're doing 33 DPR. You might mean that 33 is the average damage if you hit, particularly if your only at a +2 in your attack stat (Charisma).
You are correct, in my build notes I had rapier not longsword for the finesse, but I guess forgot. The dual wielder feat part has removed the just ability to dual wield other types of weapons and specifies only on the bA now which I didn't realize.
In 2024 you can draw/stow a weapon as a part of the attack. Meaning you can dual wield with one hand raw. DPR if anything is low. Every time I did a true strike I believe I forgot to add the base weapon damage. I state the AC the dpr is for, you do get to add your prof bonus to your spell casting ability. So while at times you may only have a +2 you could have a +5 to hit. And with elemental weapon it adds a +2.
I appreciate all comments correcting me, I seem to always miss something. I fully make these videos between getting off work and going to bed so I might need to rethink that strategy lol
@@XP_Goblin I'm pretty sure you can only juggle as part of the Attack Action, not simply when making a weapon attack. Here's the relevant part of the Rules Glossary (and I'm not aware of any other rules about stowing or drawing weapons as part of an attack): "When you take the Attack action, you can make one attack roll with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike.
Equipping and Unequipping Weapons. You can either equip or unequip one weapon when you make an attack as part of this action. You do so either before or after the attack. If you equip a weapon before an attack, you don’t need to use it for that attack. Equipping a weapon includes drawing it from a sheath or picking it up. Unequipping a weapon includes sheathing, stowing, or dropping it.
Moving between Attacks. If you move on your turn and have a feature, such as Extra Attack, that gives you more than one attack as part of the Attack action, you can use some or all of that movement to move between those attacks."
@@XP_Goblin Re: DPR, I did some quick math on your level 5 damage report (based off of your formula), and it was only a few points higher than the Warlock baseline. And the issue with a low attack stat is that the baseline assumes a starting attack stat with +3 modifier and bumps to Chat at Levels 4 and 8, and also assumes AC goes up at those points. So at 5 with a 14, you're -2 compared to the baseline. And if you take Dual Wielder as your first ASI, but are using Cha to attack, you're -3 to hit compared to the baseline at 8. The proficiency bonuses are baked into the baseline and don't vary between builds.
At lvl 5 I was against a 10AC as thats what others seem to do for lvl 5, CHR is +2, Prof is +3, for +5 to hit or an 80% chance to hit on each attack. I then stated we would make 3 attacks, for a 99% chance of at least one hit. Then if you input all the dice it comes to 32.865 DPR. I think I may have done the sneak attack calculations based on the assumption id be making the true strike attack with the rapier, so I think the true DPR is 31.67. or 187.39% the warlock baseline or as I said in the video "about 2 times"
@@XP_Goblin I missed your comment about the AC. My bad. That said, I guess I'm confused what you think AC 10 tells you at that level. If that's what you're looking at for your Warlock baseline, it's going to completely skew the results by making accuracy much less important than it is in a real game.
Please do this for fighter
@@Justaguy327 I think it would roughly be the same build. Perhaps I could spice it up
It's a total waste of levels in paladin and bard to get less damage than a simple thief rogue with dual snake attacks haha. So sad!
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There's so many things wrong with this video you should unironically do a correction style video loke you do for other TH-camrs, but for yourself lmao
Best assassin build is not an assassin lol
not anymore, no