I'm personally waiting to see if a KTM 390 Adventure R, KTM 490 Adventure R, Honda NX 500 or Norden 501 comes out; or if the new Himalayan 450 is going to be any good. Definitely looking for that middlewight (true middleweight, not this 800CC middleweight stuff) bike that is lightweight, good suspension and of course looks pretty!
@@Jusanothermex Unfortunately, no. The standard 490 Adventure was confirmed, but we don't know the timing of the release. Hopefully we find out more at EICMA. I am a bit reluctant though to pull the trigger on a KTM
@@TheMotoBarista The 490/Norden 501 should be Twins. The 390 and new Himalayan are Singles. But I'm also okay with a single, as its just that much easier for maintenance (valve checks, etc). Will just lack a little bit more power.
Got my cfr300L 2 weeks ago. Such an amazing little machine. Coming from a g310gs, and it not being enough bike for off-road (fire roads and trails, nothing too technical) I’m am super pleased with the crf300. Might not be as good on-road, although it’s not vastly inferior to the g310. But it’s MUCH better off-road, which is better for my uses of the bike. Also Honda reliability and cost-to-own-and-run will always be better than the European brand. Ps:great video. Keep it up
@@TheMotoBarista your brother should def consider it!No lies, I’ve tried convincing my older brother lately as well...I’m a new rider, only 6 months or so, but been mountain-biking all my life, I also love fast cars (manuals & rear-wheel drive all the way lol), so the transition has been rather intuitive after the initial learning curve, but I must say, I think I’m hooked! These small bikes, like the G310GS as well as the crf300 make it so easy to learn on.And extremely fun!Even though I would love to have a “real” adventure bike like a T7, Africa Twin or GS, being short and light in stature (under 1.7m/5’6” & around 70kg/150lbs) I need to be realistic and have to be able to get myself unstuck if I ever got in trouble on my own (which I know will most likely happen eventually lol). So for now, small and lightweight it is.This does not keep me from looking at ads daily for used bikes WAY outta my league(size-wise) and daydream about it hahaha. Maybe someday in the future. This is how I stumbled across your video, again looking at big bikes I have no business at drooling over lmao. Oh, the curse of a bug-bitten newbie with too much free time on his hands which he should rather use doing much-needed chores around the house 😅😅😅 Ps: great video. Keep it up. You have a new sub👍
21 and tubes for me. I've got a 19 tubeless as well and Im now absolutely sold on the big front wheel and surety of the tube. HD tubes mean hardly ever a puncture anyway. 21" rules the offioad!
Wow thanks for the refreshingly ego-less overview. Genuinely knowledgeable and helpful and I really appreciate the respect you've shown viewers with your impeccably well-prepared delivery. There was no hesitation or stumbles or repetition - I think this may be the first video I've seen that felt like not one second of my time was wasted. Masterful in a completely unassuming way. I thoroughly enjoyed it thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, glad you enjoyed it and I really appreciate the kind words 🙏 I’m working hard to keep the quality and delivery up for future videos 💪💪💪
I have a Pan America. Sweet bike. I rode about everything out there and tried to be real about what riding I was going to do, I figured a little trail riding but mostly highway and dirt road. Then I took it out on a single track on my first ride. I regretted that decision a few times but overall the bike ate up what I gave it, a 21” front wheel would come in real handy though!
I have a 790 A/R and love it. I’m 64 and love riding it. Its very forgiving in the dirt. It jumps and slides and is relatively manoeuvrable. The only 2 things i find a bit of a challenge is stopping when going fast on the dirt and picking it up if you fall over. I’m not as agile as i used to be. It tours/commutes very well. As the old saying goes its horses for courses.
Another tip might be looking at articles and videos on long-term ownership. High maintenance costs and lots of warranty issues may factor into your decision making
Personally I kind of like working on my bike, even if if needs a lot of care. But when basic maintenance costs hundreds at the dealer, or when it has to go back every month for another warranty problem - those are deal breakers for me. Just my 2 cents
I found the KTM 890 suits what riding i do. Ive done all the Tassy Twisties and the bike holds its own against road bikes also done 2 Simpson crossings aswell as a few trips to the Flinders including some of the more technical trails... One thing i couldnt do without now is cruise control lol
Ugggh how good is cruise! I like the look of the Tenere World Raid but lack of cruise and adjustable traction control hold me back. How was the 790 crossing the Simpson??!
The bike was awsome through the Simpson. The only thing that slowed me up was being fully loaded and hitting the whoops between the dunes. Im running standard R suspension and no aftermarket damper and it really wasnt to bad. Used 34 litres of fuel...
Use bladders, seen to many rotopax break. I'd still pack 20L just incase you might have to detour around Eyre creek or have a big crash and do one of your bladders in. We use giant loop bladders and just tested a way of holding 2x 3.8l both sides of the tank which worked well for Flinders and didnt get in the way of your knees so I'll use that setup for the simpson next year (plus 11L over the seat)
Dunno why, but if I were to pick one bike right now it would be the CRF450r. I like the visual and it stays between the dirt bikes and the ginormous 700cc+. I don't actually know a thing about its specs, so if anyone have anything to say, I'm all for the learning.
Great vid and presentation! Punchy, short and sweet I'm a novice and want to dolong distancd travelling/camping with off roading where possible (nothing crazy) motorbike... thinking of CRF300R for the lower weight and reliability....seen how its holding up in Itchy Boots travel Heard of reliability issues on KTM, otherwise would go for it
Its a bit dull, but the best adventure bike for a beginner is the Himalayan, it's so easy to ride on and off road, nothing comes close. Low c of g and torquey engine is what you need, exactly what you don't get from the CRF250/300.
Nice video mate and nice presentation .. I love the ktm 890 adv r , but I m doing all of my adventure travels with the bmw gs1250hp I have .. it does everything not perfect but very good in all aspects and mostly on off road .. I would prefer more lightweight bike when I have to to do turn around on a top of a Rocky Mountain but we can’t have it all .. Just go on the mountains and enjoy the ride with any bike you have ..
Beautiful bike, I have ridden my mate’s and couldn’t believe how well it handled for such a big bike! I’d love a big adv and small single light adv build as a dream garage 😍 one can dream 🤣
The choice of fuel to use on your adventures is another important point to consider.. If you'll be riding in a third world location where regular fuel is all u got, you might need to reconsider so many offerings no matter how stacked or good they may be... That's if you plan to own the bike for longer actually 😉
Nicely explained!! I've been struggling with this EXACT issue!! I'm a big guy @ 6'2" and some medical issues. My dirt bike days are behind me, but plan on riding some maintained dirt roads , fire roads etc . Planned on a T-7 but after seeing your video, thinking I might be better off with some traction control, and some of the other technology available. Any recommendations? I've researched just about everything! Now maybe the Taureg?
I have heard great things about the Tuareg! I haven’t tested it yet but definitely worth the short list. Obviously I’m a big fan of the 790/890 platform but the T7 is great too despite not having TC - it makes up for it with a nice linear power that is smooth and controllable. My biggest criticism of the standard T7 is how tall and top heavy it is and suspension.
The comment that triples don't perform well at low rpm is incorrect. My 800 tiger pulls from 35 mph in 6th gear even with a passenger. None of my single or 2 cylinder bikes do that as well.
What i believe he meant was that triples deliver less torque compared to twins and singles of the same capacity. He's actually right but shouldn't have described it as power. This is the reason all dirt bikes are singles. They also deliver their torque in pulses which makes for good traction, unlike multi cylinder engines that smooth out the power delivery, giving less 'dig'.
Great vid, with good info. Quick tip though, I would recommend toning down the camera shake. Actually, quite hurts the eyes! Its looks like the shake was added in post processing, and doesn't feel natural.
No image stabilisation on my camera, hoping to reinvest into the channel and upgrade in the future, I’ll try and get mates to hold it steadier in the mean time 👌
@@TheMotoBarista 😄You can always use Davinci Resolve, as it has a built in stabilization tool in it, and Davinci Resolve is free! I'd highly recommend it! Just has a bit of a learning curve. Enjoying the vids though! Keep it up!
@@TheMotoBarista as long as they don't play there new game of giving the extras on the bike then having you pay to keep them months later I may be interested. And if it's released in India
@@TheMotoBarista it's lightweight, low cost maintenance, amazing off road, good on road....and if you add a rally tower....booom it's a unicorn...that's my current setup
I cannot agree with that more. I went through many bikes and found 701 to be the best do it all bike. No problem with any kind of trails and I can stay on the highways for hours. Also perfect option for commuting in the city. Made me sell the other two bikes that I had and now I only have 701 in my garage. Couldn't be happier.
After months of research and originally with wanting larger such as KTM 1290, BMW 1250, Africa Twin, I realized mid would would be much better " for me". Despite being 6'2" and 200 lbs. Looked at BMW 850 (too heavy and too expensive), Ducati, Triumph (the 24.4 rake not for me) most likely its the KTM 890 R. Albeit far from perfect given reliability and 1 year warranty. And to be honest, the Aprilia 660 is 2nd. Better price point, 2 year warranty, 50 lbs lighter that then 890 R, and just enough tech ( abs, cruise standard, TC...) and power for on road and off. And Brembo and KYB long suspension travel too! But with limited dealerships and after market parts, its a bit of a risk for me.
The Aprilia might be slightly lighter but I can guarantee the KTM will feel lighter and more stable due to better centralised mass. Also we have 2 year warranty on KTMs here in Australia, not where you are? The reliability issue I believe is overblown. They have sold ALOT of these bikes and we only hear about the ones with trouble. Personally I have had zero issues on two 790s in the family - like with any bike, service it, change oil halfway through service intervals and ride!
@@TheMotoBarista In California 1 year for the R, 2 year for the 890 Standard. Thank you, I appreciate you sharing your experience. Can not test ride these bikes and have to decide from internet. Is the 890 R a reasonable bike to learn off road on? Have been riding HD baggers for 20+ years and want to have a smaller bike for fun in the Sierra mountain roads and twisties and hit some off road trails with a local adventure group. They have different rides for novices through advanced. Their group does not seem fond of KTMs as I have only seen BMW 800/850, Yamaha Tenere, Triumph 900, African Twin... not one KTM. lol
@@ridemfast7625 your bike will be better than the ones you have mentioned for learning on. The suspension, chassis, ergos and weight management are a lot better than those others you are riding with. Remember these bikes are still heavy so if you learn off-road in them to do so on east terrain and a steady pace.
I am aware, my cameraman for the day really didn’t understand what I meant when I said the camera or lens has no IBIS. Saving for a new camera with stabilisation and will use tripod until then.
I personally had a gen2 klr650..a great bike just wasn't what I wanted..ao I started looking into the ktm 890 r and the norden 901 as well as the tenere 700..so I decided on the tenere 700.. I would love the world raid but I'm in the US and we do not have them available yet
Weight. The less the better for your first ADV bike. The more you ride in rough stuff, the more it matters. If you only ride on sealed roads or simple gravel roads, then bigger is better at speed in windy conditions. Buy second hand to avoid huge depreciation. Last time I checked, speed limits in OZ are 100-110 kph and we have those pesky roos etc. that run out without notice to attempt to kill you. You don't need any more than 30 HP, if that ,to get around at 100 kph. Anymore is just wheel spin. At that speed you don't need ABS/ TC unless you are challenged in riding skills. If I was buying a first ADV again ( 30 years too late for me) I would seriously but a Royal Enfield Himalayan and spend the $15 K saved compared to a KTM/ BMW/ Triumph on touring expenses.
I think if you are new to adventure riding, you should be aware that you don't need to spend an extra 5k on the bike just to make it functional, like many of the media outlets would have you believe. Ride first, then buy what's right for your needs and budget.
@@TheMotoBarista oh yeah, it's definitely fun. And don't think for a minute that I don't have 30 tabs open at any given time looking at accessories for my bike 🤣
Set sag, get your gear set (boots, armor etc) make sure you have tires suited for your terrain, get some protection for when you fall (barkbusters, crash bars) and some luggage for your adventure and you should be all set.
Appreciate the good info, but as a filmmaker, i find the constant camera shaking really distracting and at times nauseating. Might be worth investing in a small travel tripod / monopod or even a gimbal.
Triumph have just altered the crank on their Tiger so that it feels more like s twin. I can understand why they did it - a 120° triple is too refined and I'm not that keen on its character.
How are 700 one cilinders higher in maintenance and cost? No bad comment or anything just that I’ve only had bigger cc one cilinders and intervals are 10-15k which is normal and the engines are mostly easier to service due to only having one piston. Highways are a bit harsher indeed but here in Europe I mostly do backroads as I hate highways on any kind of motorcycle
The 690/701 is a wonderful unicorn that goes against this like you say. I just meant in general bike like 250/450/500cc singles. I was only generalising, I didn’t want to go in depth for this video.
Well, here in Brazil we have a short list of Adv motorcycles available. For the middle weight adv market we have now the Tiger 900, which I particularly own, 850 GSA and the cheater 1100 Africa Twin. Recently KTM brought the 890 ADV R but at a staggering R$ 149.000,00 (double as much of a Tiger 900 Rally PRO) or US$ 30.000,00 just unreal. Considering the technical aspects of each and the price tag it becomes realisticaly obvious choice the Triumph. The Rally Pro at R$ 78.000,00 (US$ 15.600,00) has the most complete set of eletronics and comfort parts of the list. Than you have the Honda (Africa Twin base model) and BMW F850 GSA at the R$ 82.000,00 (US$ 16.400,00) but BMW is on the heavy weight side of the scale and the Africa Twin on the least equiped motorcycle, not even a pillion handles is there. As you said, we are not racing so to drop the pressure F28R24 on soft trail or F28R28 on rocky ones is not a big deal and the tubeless tyres is the way to go for me. To my liking I'd consider the 850 GS, not the GSA, but 15 liters kind of sound too little, I don't know. In a more well balanced market price I'd definately give the KTM a go. The weight distribution and the slide control at 9 different levels are such apealing to me. Sorry for the long text and congrats on your videos they are well balanced on lenght and info. Cheers mate
@@TheMotoBarista I think due to be an (100%) imported vehicle they enter in a different category of import tax. The others are assembled here with at least 30% of local parts in their respective factories, than they are not considered an imported bike. So different taxes applied. Besides KTM is viewed as a luxury motorcycle here and part of the price can be that too.
Depends on what the problem is, if you change the wheels and then there is a problem with your camshaft - obviously warranty will cover. If a mod can directly prove damage, then they won’t cover. Also though each country’s consumer laws are different so warranty rights in Australia are very good.
Tires for me would have to be tubeless. From A recent trip and seeing 5 flats, all fixed in 15-20 minutes? To me the odds of denting a rim (as long as you run higher pressures) or getting a sidewall cut are low enough I’ll take the benefits of tubeless.
tubeless can be VERY dangerous in certain terrain, you're forced to run higher pressures, which is Not good for running over small or medium rocks or wood debris.....where-as Tubeless will be "soggy" and compensate for this. If you're stick to simple trails, that's fine, but any REAL off-roading, and you Can find yourself in trouble with a tubeless setup pretty fast....trust me.
@@94SexyStang you’re not wrong. Theirs pros and cons to both for sure. For the type of riding I enjoy and my style? I’ll take the benefits of tubeless every time.
I see no,point in changing from the 790. Nothing on the market offers much advantage, especially on the dirt. Everything is heavier and more expensive. One thing never changes, that is the delight of less weight in the dirt. I gladly sacrifice comfort and power for light weight now that I am in my 6 th decade of riding.
Weight is where its at. I don't want a pack animal. Electronics are a potential nuisance I can live without. After all an adventure ride for me is a trail ride on steroids. 150 kg max. 500 EXC or older Beautiful!
I agree, I’m definitely feeling itch to go lighter recently. Only thing I’d be worried about with 500exc would be constant maintenance, how do you find it? Otherwise maybe a 690 could work 💪
@@TheMotoBarista I'm on an 07 530 and have 26000 kms since an overhaul. Am using a little oil towards the end of the 3000kms interval I use . A D606 Dunlop rear lasts about 3000 kms too. Am in my 60's and like an annual 300km per day for 5 days staying in pubs and motels. Not interested in arid areas, mostly like our mountain range areas, mind Australian mountains are like your foothills. I do about 5000 kms a year
Any competent rider meaning not a handful of world class pros can take the 500 on any single track worth merit as well as do Patagonia to Borrow. There really is only one choice, the rest are just dirt road trophies
I think it is good beginner adv or base for a project build. Otherwise I’m not the biggest fan of the Tenere, the new World Raid seems to fox a couple of the main issues though!
Obviously you can have an ‘adventure’ on any motorcycle but really there are three categories off road motorcycles - enduro - dual sport - adventure - the cylinders fall into these categories as most experienced riders would never call a single cylinder bike an ‘adventure bike’. As one bike does not do the job of all three categories well.
@@scottaubrey8392 I agree but I think the lines between the categories are becoming more blurry. I have seen some amazing 500cc exc and 690/701 builds from experienced riders that are amazing adventure bikes even for RTW.
@@TheMotoBarista well if your taking into consideration modified bikes then anything can be an adventure bike…a standard 500EXC is not the wisest choice for long distances.
@@alexanderzhulin3528 hmmm definitely interesting to hear that, I’ll have to test ride one. My only concern will be highway speeds, sometimes I have to ride a long way to get to particular riding area. I could throw a tower on it but would worry about the engine handling high rpm for such a long time.
@@TheMotoBarista It does 130 km/h easily, even with 1 tooth less on the front sprocket. RMP still being in "recommended for break in range" I believe. And yes, tower is a must in my opinion - it should be stock. With stock sprocket bike reaches 110 easily on a 4th gear.
You lost me at, "we have singles, twins, and triples in the adventure world" - NOT TRUE. A single cylinder bike is not an adventure bike ... it's a dual sport ... but believe whatever you want to believe...
@@TheMotoBarista oh man do it,had mine from brand new got it dialled now it's amazing to train on when I roll out the 450 feels like a kids bike. Check my chanel barista.....
Anything over 450cc is just NOT built for "serious" off-roading....sorry, it's just Not!! I think people are drinking the kool-aide and don't understand Perception VS Reality.......a 650cc+ is built for Trail Riding......a 250-450cc is built to go threw Mud, hills, rocks, jump Logs and FLY over stuff that Larger bikes just can't really do.....I just don't think people understand What exactly they intend to Use the bike for. Also tires are important and it's totally a Compromise! There's Nothing that's Great off-road and Great on-road....Period.......it's all compromise.
What new ADV bike would you pick? Need some ideas for next year! 👇
I'm personally waiting to see if a KTM 390 Adventure R, KTM 490 Adventure R, Honda NX 500 or Norden 501 comes out; or if the new Himalayan 450 is going to be any good. Definitely looking for that middlewight (true middleweight, not this 800CC middleweight stuff) bike that is lightweight, good suspension and of course looks pretty!
@@MOTOLITHIC I assume you want that to be a twin cylinder too? It seems we keeping hearing rumours about bikes like that but still nothing concrete.
@@MOTOLITHIC is 490 r confirmed?
@@Jusanothermex Unfortunately, no. The standard 490 Adventure was confirmed, but we don't know the timing of the release. Hopefully we find out more at EICMA. I am a bit reluctant though to pull the trigger on a KTM
@@TheMotoBarista The 490/Norden 501 should be Twins. The 390 and new Himalayan are Singles. But I'm also okay with a single, as its just that much easier for maintenance (valve checks, etc). Will just lack a little bit more power.
I thought about this alot to find a replacement for my CRF250, but couldn't think of anything worthy...until the CRF300 was released. 👍😂
Such a great bike! I like the looo of the rally version as a platform for a great lightweight adv build!
Got my cfr300L 2 weeks ago. Such an amazing little machine. Coming from a g310gs, and it not being enough bike for off-road (fire roads and trails, nothing too technical) I’m am super pleased with the crf300. Might not be as good on-road, although it’s not vastly inferior to the g310.
But it’s MUCH better off-road, which is better for my uses of the bike.
Also Honda reliability and cost-to-own-and-run will always be better than the European brand.
Ps:great video. Keep it up
@@johnnylima9632 amazing to hear! I’m trying to convince my brother to get one!
@@TheMotoBarista your brother should def consider it!No lies, I’ve tried convincing my older brother lately as well...I’m a new rider, only 6 months or so, but been mountain-biking all my life, I also love fast cars (manuals & rear-wheel drive all the way lol), so the transition has been rather intuitive after the initial learning curve, but I must say, I think I’m hooked!
These small bikes, like the G310GS as well as the crf300 make it so easy to learn on.And extremely fun!Even though I would love to have a “real” adventure bike like a T7, Africa Twin or GS, being short and light in stature (under 1.7m/5’6” & around 70kg/150lbs) I need to be realistic and have to be able to get myself unstuck if I ever got in trouble on my own (which I know will most likely happen eventually lol). So for now, small and lightweight it is.This does not keep me from looking at ads daily for used bikes WAY outta my league(size-wise) and daydream about it hahaha. Maybe someday in the future.
This is how I stumbled across your video, again looking at big bikes I have no business at drooling over lmao. Oh, the curse of a bug-bitten newbie with too much free time on his hands which he should rather use doing much-needed chores around the house 😅😅😅
Ps: great video. Keep it up. You have a new sub👍
@@johnnylima9632 thanks for the sub mate, glad you are loving the adventure moto life 💪💪💪
21 and tubes for me. I've got a 19 tubeless as well and Im now absolutely sold on the big front wheel and surety of the tube. HD tubes mean hardly ever a puncture anyway. 21" rules the offioad!
Wow thanks for the refreshingly ego-less overview. Genuinely knowledgeable and helpful and I really appreciate the respect you've shown viewers with your impeccably well-prepared delivery. There was no hesitation or stumbles or repetition - I think this may be the first video I've seen that felt like not one second of my time was wasted. Masterful in a completely unassuming way. I thoroughly enjoyed it thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, glad you enjoyed it and I really appreciate the kind words 🙏 I’m working hard to keep the quality and delivery up for future videos 💪💪💪
I have a Pan America. Sweet bike. I rode about everything out there and tried to be real about what riding I was going to do, I figured a little trail riding but mostly highway and dirt road. Then I took it out on a single track on my first ride. I regretted that decision a few times but overall the bike ate up what I gave it, a 21” front wheel would come in real handy though!
Haha accidental single track is always the best! 🤣
I just changed my 990 dakar to a AJP PR7. Could not be happier. 60 kg lighter adv bike than 990 is just pure fun.
Nice one, I’m thinking of a lighter bike myself.
I have a 790 A/R and love it. I’m 64 and love riding it. Its very forgiving in the dirt. It jumps and slides and is relatively manoeuvrable. The only 2 things i find a bit of a challenge is stopping when going fast on the dirt and picking it up if you fall over. I’m not as agile as i used to be. It tours/commutes very well. As the old saying goes its horses for courses.
You’re right about trying to slow down/stop when moving quick on the dirt trails! It is tough 😬😬
Another tip might be looking at articles and videos on long-term ownership. High maintenance costs and lots of warranty issues may factor into your decision making
High maintenance keeps me away from single cylinder bikes at the moment - but maybe one day I’ll have the time to work on my bike more and justify it.
Personally I kind of like working on my bike, even if if needs a lot of care. But when basic maintenance costs hundreds at the dealer, or when it has to go back every month for another warranty problem - those are deal breakers for me. Just my 2 cents
Warranty issues ummmm… cough KTM cough KTM
I found the KTM 890 suits what riding i do. Ive done all the Tassy Twisties and the bike holds its own against road bikes also done 2 Simpson crossings aswell as a few trips to the Flinders including some of the more technical trails...
One thing i couldnt do without now is cruise control lol
Ugggh how good is cruise! I like the look of the Tenere World Raid but lack of cruise and adjustable traction control hold me back. How was the 790 crossing the Simpson??!
The bike was awsome through the Simpson. The only thing that slowed me up was being fully loaded and hitting the whoops between the dunes. Im running standard R suspension and no aftermarket damper and it really wasnt to bad. Used 34 litres of fuel...
@@Bugalugs181 oh awesome good to know, I’d love to tackle it. What did you use to carry the extra fuel? An extra 15 litres?
Use bladders, seen to many rotopax break. I'd still pack 20L just incase you might have to detour around Eyre creek or have a big crash and do one of your bladders in. We use giant loop bladders and just tested a way of holding 2x 3.8l both sides of the tank which worked well for Flinders and didnt get in the way of your knees so I'll use that setup for the simpson next year (plus 11L over the seat)
@@Bugalugs181 awesome.
Dunno why, but if I were to pick one bike right now it would be the CRF450r. I like the visual and it stays between the dirt bikes and the ginormous 700cc+. I don't actually know a thing about its specs, so if anyone have anything to say, I'm all for the learning.
I don’t know much about them, we can’t get them in Australia 🤦♂️
“a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one”……… 😊
Great vid and presentation! Punchy, short and sweet
I'm a novice and want to dolong distancd travelling/camping with off roading where possible (nothing crazy) motorbike... thinking of CRF300R for the lower weight and reliability....seen how its holding up in Itchy Boots travel
Heard of reliability issues on KTM, otherwise would go for it
The Honda 300 does seem like a great lightweight, reliable choice! Would need some extra $$$ spent on it though!
Great points! Wonderful video!
Its a bit dull, but the best adventure bike for a beginner is the Himalayan, it's so easy to ride on and off road, nothing comes close. Low c of g and torquey engine is what you need, exactly what you don't get from the CRF250/300.
Nice video mate and nice presentation ..
I love the ktm 890 adv r , but I m doing all of my adventure travels with the bmw gs1250hp I have .. it does everything not perfect but very good in all aspects and mostly on off road ..
I would prefer more lightweight bike when I have to to do turn around on a top of a Rocky Mountain but we can’t have it all ..
Just go on the mountains and enjoy the ride with any bike you have ..
Beautiful bike, I have ridden my mate’s and couldn’t believe how well it handled for such a big bike! I’d love a big adv and small single light adv build as a dream garage 😍 one can dream 🤣
The choice of fuel to use on your adventures is another important point to consider..
If you'll be riding in a third world location where regular fuel is all u got, you might need to reconsider so many offerings no matter how stacked or good they may be... That's if you plan to own the bike for longer actually 😉
Nicely explained!! I've been struggling with this EXACT issue!! I'm a big guy @ 6'2" and some medical issues. My dirt bike days are behind me, but plan on riding some maintained dirt roads , fire roads etc . Planned on a T-7 but after seeing your video, thinking I might be better off with some traction control, and some of the other technology available. Any recommendations? I've researched just about everything! Now maybe the Taureg?
I have heard great things about the Tuareg! I haven’t tested it yet but definitely worth the short list. Obviously I’m a big fan of the 790/890 platform but the T7 is great too despite not having TC - it makes up for it with a nice linear power that is smooth and controllable. My biggest criticism of the standard T7 is how tall and top heavy it is and suspension.
I'm 191 cm ,too,and I ride a Tuareg 660.
Is great,lightweight,lively.
Great video man!
bro, i have a suggestion. get a stablizer or tripod for your camera man
Triumph has a 10,000 mile service interval for 3 cylinder bikes.
8000 miles on my single cylinder CRF250 Rally...
The comment that triples don't perform well at low rpm is incorrect. My 800 tiger pulls from 35 mph in 6th gear even with a passenger. None of my single or 2 cylinder bikes do that as well.
What i believe he meant was that triples deliver less torque compared to twins and singles of the same capacity. He's actually right but shouldn't have described it as power. This is the reason all dirt bikes are singles. They also deliver their torque in pulses which makes for good traction, unlike multi cylinder engines that smooth out the power delivery, giving less 'dig'.
Great vid, with good info. Quick tip though, I would recommend toning down the camera shake. Actually, quite hurts the eyes! Its looks like the shake was added in post processing, and doesn't feel natural.
No image stabilisation on my camera, hoping to reinvest into the channel and upgrade in the future, I’ll try and get mates to hold it steadier in the mean time 👌
@@TheMotoBarista 😄You can always use Davinci Resolve, as it has a built in stabilization tool in it, and Davinci Resolve is free! I'd highly recommend it! Just has a bit of a learning curve. Enjoying the vids though! Keep it up!
@@MOTOLITHIC thanks I’ll look into!
Need a good twin that is around 500cc under 200kg
Lots of rumours coming out the Austrian brand about a 490cc that fits the bill 😬
@@TheMotoBarista as long as they don't play there new game of giving the extras on the bike then having you pay to keep them months later I may be interested. And if it's released in India
Honda CB500X one day, it will be sitting next to my Dyna
I think Husqvarna 701 enduro is great for on/off road adventure
Really tempted to make this platform my next bike - heard nothing but great things!
@@TheMotoBarista it's lightweight, low cost maintenance, amazing off road, good on road....and if you add a rally tower....booom it's a unicorn...that's my current setup
@@luichodelgado good to here! I was thinking about one with a tower for that exact reason!
I cannot agree with that more. I went through many bikes and found 701 to be the best do it all bike. No problem with any kind of trails and I can stay on the highways for hours. Also perfect option for commuting in the city. Made me sell the other two bikes that I had and now I only have 701 in my garage. Couldn't be happier.
@@szymonchalupka I think I’m about to go get a 690 - it seems like the best option for me 😬😬😬
After months of research and originally with wanting larger such as KTM 1290, BMW 1250, Africa Twin, I realized mid would would be much better " for me". Despite being 6'2" and 200 lbs. Looked at BMW 850 (too heavy and too expensive), Ducati, Triumph (the 24.4 rake not for me) most likely its the KTM 890 R. Albeit far from perfect given reliability and 1 year warranty. And to be honest, the Aprilia 660 is 2nd. Better price point, 2 year warranty, 50 lbs lighter that then 890 R, and just enough tech ( abs, cruise standard, TC...) and power for on road and off. And Brembo and KYB long suspension travel too! But with limited dealerships and after market parts, its a bit of a risk for me.
The Aprilia might be slightly lighter but I can guarantee the KTM will feel lighter and more stable due to better centralised mass. Also we have 2 year warranty on KTMs here in Australia, not where you are?
The reliability issue I believe is overblown. They have sold ALOT of these bikes and we only hear about the ones with trouble. Personally I have had zero issues on two 790s in the family - like with any bike, service it, change oil halfway through service intervals and ride!
@@TheMotoBarista In California 1 year for the R, 2 year for the 890 Standard. Thank you, I appreciate you sharing your experience. Can not test ride these bikes and have to decide from internet. Is the 890 R a reasonable bike to learn off road on? Have been riding HD baggers for 20+ years and want to have a smaller bike for fun in the Sierra mountain roads and twisties and hit some off road trails with a local adventure group. They have different rides for novices through advanced. Their group does not seem fond of KTMs as I have only seen BMW 800/850, Yamaha Tenere, Triumph 900, African Twin... not one KTM. lol
@@ridemfast7625 your bike will be better than the ones you have mentioned for learning on. The suspension, chassis, ergos and weight management are a lot better than those others you are riding with. Remember these bikes are still heavy so if you learn off-road in them to do so on east terrain and a steady pace.
the shaky camera is really annoying😅. Not difficult to get a phone or camera with stabilization. good effort on the content
I am aware, my cameraman for the day really didn’t understand what I meant when I said the camera or lens has no IBIS. Saving for a new camera with stabilisation and will use tripod until then.
I didn't notice any shaking
I went with the 2023 Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer
How is it!? I’m tempted to get one as my travel and everyday bike and then get a smaller single cylinder bike for weekend trail riding!
@@TheMotoBarista awesome bIke but it is pretty tall and top-heavy only downside. A lot of cool things about it though.
I personally had a gen2 klr650..a great bike just wasn't what I wanted..ao I started looking into the ktm 890 r and the norden 901 as well as the tenere 700..so I decided on the tenere 700.. I would love the world raid but I'm in the US and we do not have them available yet
Not here in Australia either! Not until May 2023 which is crazy!
Weight. The less the better for your first ADV bike. The more you ride in rough stuff, the more it matters. If you only ride on sealed roads or simple gravel roads, then bigger is better at speed in windy conditions. Buy second hand to avoid huge depreciation. Last time I checked, speed limits in OZ are 100-110 kph and we have those pesky roos etc. that run out without notice to attempt to kill you. You don't need any more than 30 HP, if that ,to get around at 100 kph. Anymore is just wheel spin. At that speed you don't need ABS/ TC unless you are challenged in riding skills. If I was buying a first ADV again ( 30 years too late for me) I would seriously but a Royal Enfield Himalayan and spend the $15 K saved compared to a KTM/ BMW/ Triumph on touring expenses.
I’m definitely thinking about a 690 light adventure build as my next build for these reasons 😬
@@TheMotoBarista I am back riding a DRZ400 for the same reason. I did consider a KTM690 but decided I was not prepared to live with another KTM.
@@kymstock1852 hahaha yeh, that can happen 🤣
Just got a drz400, and SO glad I did......anything over 300lbs would Never cut it for my riding terrain.
I think if you are new to adventure riding, you should be aware that you don't need to spend an extra 5k on the bike just to make it functional, like many of the media outlets would have you believe. Ride first, then buy what's right for your needs and budget.
Agree, like I said it is fun, but not necessary. It is nice to get to know the motorcycle and make thoughtful changes over time 💪
@@TheMotoBarista oh yeah, it's definitely fun. And don't think for a minute that I don't have 30 tabs open at any given time looking at accessories for my bike 🤣
@@adamrichards2072 guilty 🙋♂️
Set sag, get your gear set (boots, armor etc) make sure you have tires suited for your terrain, get some protection for when you fall (barkbusters, crash bars) and some luggage for your adventure and you should be all set.
Aprilia Tuareg... I am biased because I have one.
Enjoying it!? Not sure if they are here in West Australia yet but would love to check one out! I hear great things!
@@TheMotoBarista it is amazing. It is just as comfortable off road as on road.
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@@TheMotoBarista yep they are here in WA. I got one and its awesome!
@@gabealves268 nice one! I’ll have to organise a ride day soon so I can see it in person!
Can u imagine a 525 EXC with a few upgrades as an ADV ? Is it a good idea?
Absolutely. I just sold my 790 for a new 500 excf.
Appreciate the good info, but as a filmmaker, i find the constant camera shaking really distracting and at times nauseating. Might be worth investing in a small travel tripod / monopod or even a gimbal.
I’m trying to save up for a camera with some IBIS.
@@TheMotoBarista just use Davinci to add stabe in post. Or shoot with a tripod.
Cool, can you speak a little more slow for foreign speaker , that will make more big your channel.
Triumph have just altered the crank on their Tiger so that it feels more like s twin. I can understand why they did it - a 120° triple is too refined and I'm not that keen on its character.
Happy they did it too, will make a great difference to engine feel and character.
Great Tips!
Thanks for watching 💪
Love your squeaky booties 👍 👌
Great vid tho, really useful info, perfect tips from an experienced rider.
Time to get dirty and have fun
How are 700 one cilinders higher in maintenance and cost? No bad comment or anything just that I’ve only had bigger cc one cilinders and intervals are 10-15k which is normal and the engines are mostly easier to service due to only having one piston. Highways are a bit harsher indeed but here in Europe I mostly do backroads as I hate highways on any kind of motorcycle
The 690/701 is a wonderful unicorn that goes against this like you say. I just meant in general bike like 250/450/500cc singles. I was only generalising, I didn’t want to go in depth for this video.
@@TheMotoBarista true those cc classes are a true pain for adventure stuff!
Well, here in Brazil we have a short list of Adv motorcycles available. For the middle weight adv market we have now the Tiger 900, which I particularly own, 850 GSA and the cheater 1100 Africa Twin. Recently KTM brought the 890 ADV R but at a staggering R$ 149.000,00 (double as much of a Tiger 900 Rally PRO) or US$ 30.000,00 just unreal. Considering the technical aspects of each and the price tag it becomes realisticaly obvious choice the Triumph. The Rally Pro at R$ 78.000,00 (US$ 15.600,00) has the most complete set of eletronics and comfort parts of the list. Than you have the Honda (Africa Twin base model) and BMW F850 GSA at the R$ 82.000,00 (US$ 16.400,00) but BMW is on the heavy weight side of the scale and the Africa Twin on the least equiped motorcycle, not even a pillion handles is there. As you said, we are not racing so to drop the pressure F28R24 on soft trail or F28R28 on rocky ones is not a big deal and the tubeless tyres is the way to go for me. To my liking I'd consider the 850 GS, not the GSA, but 15 liters kind of sound too little, I don't know. In a more well balanced market price I'd definately give the KTM a go. The weight distribution and the slide control at 9 different levels are such apealing to me. Sorry for the long text and congrats on your videos they are well balanced on lenght and info. Cheers mate
Thanks for the comment mate! Wow, that is interesting about KTM pricing in Brazil - why is that!??? Here the 890 R is the same price as the Rally Pro!
@@TheMotoBarista I think due to be an (100%) imported vehicle they enter in a different category of import tax. The others are assembled here with at least 30% of local parts in their respective factories, than they are not considered an imported bike. So different taxes applied. Besides KTM is viewed as a luxury motorcycle here and part of the price can be that too.
Middle section is BS with over 200kg are all closer to heavy weight
I agree, I’m just using the terminology that we are most used to to describe these different categories and that are used to market this bikes.
May I ask where did you get the new plastics for your bike?
Moto Pro Works. Europe based. Great quality graphics 💪
How is ktm with their 12 or 24 month warranty if you put mods on your bike?
Depends on what the problem is, if you change the wheels and then there is a problem with your camshaft - obviously warranty will cover. If a mod can directly prove damage, then they won’t cover. Also though each country’s consumer laws are different so warranty rights in Australia are very good.
@@TheMotoBarista the second bit I was afraid of lol. Ktm has no goals to make it easy to own a ktm in the usa
Tires for me would have to be tubeless. From
A recent trip and seeing 5 flats, all fixed in 15-20 minutes? To me the odds of denting a rim (as long as you run higher pressures) or getting a sidewall cut are low enough I’ll take the benefits of tubeless.
This is definitely the position I find myself siding with the most!
tubeless can be VERY dangerous in certain terrain, you're forced to run higher pressures, which is Not good for running over small or medium rocks or wood debris.....where-as Tubeless will be "soggy" and compensate for this. If you're stick to simple trails, that's fine, but any REAL off-roading, and you Can find yourself in trouble with a tubeless setup pretty fast....trust me.
@@94SexyStang you’re not wrong. Theirs pros and cons to both for sure. For the type of riding I enjoy and my style? I’ll take the benefits of tubeless every time.
I see no,point in changing from the 790. Nothing on the market offers much advantage, especially on the dirt. Everything is heavier and more expensive. One thing never changes, that is the delight of less weight in the dirt. I gladly sacrifice comfort and power for light weight now that I am in my 6 th decade of riding.
Weight is where its at. I don't want a pack animal. Electronics are a potential nuisance I can live without. After all an adventure ride for me is a trail ride on steroids. 150 kg max. 500 EXC or older Beautiful!
I agree, I’m definitely feeling itch to go lighter recently. Only thing I’d be worried about with 500exc would be constant maintenance, how do you find it? Otherwise maybe a 690 could work 💪
@@TheMotoBarista I'm on an 07 530 and have 26000 kms since an overhaul. Am using a little oil towards the end of the 3000kms interval I use . A D606 Dunlop rear lasts about 3000 kms too. Am in my 60's and like an annual 300km per day for 5 days staying in pubs and motels. Not interested in arid areas, mostly like our mountain range areas, mind Australian mountains are like your foothills. I do about 5000 kms a year
@@martykath4427 good to know, definitely considering it 😏
Yamaha tenere 700 or KTM 890 also triumph tiger 1200 KTM 890 first choice
Follow up to this coming in the next video 🤘🤘
Any competent rider meaning not a handful of world class pros can take the 500 on any single track worth merit as well as do Patagonia to Borrow. There really is only one choice, the rest are just dirt road trophies
Not sure if I’m game enough for a 500 but think a 690 might be a good balance.
Was this a camera shake added in post production or was the camera person ill? Regardless, it's difficult to watch.
Can’t afford a camera with IBIS. One day. Until then, I’ll ask cameraman to try and be more steady.
@@TheMotoBarista Highly recommended a tripod for those types of shots.
@@AudioTravels well then you’ll love my next video.
@@TheMotoBarista Subbed. Let's do it :)
Singles, higher maintenance cost....
***Laughs in Gen 1 KLR 650***
My DR650 single cylinder thumper scoffs at your higher maintenance costs and lack of performance. Lack of comfort.... Okay fine.
this video makes the base tenere 700 sound like a terrible purchase with its high tank and no rider aids: until you ride it!
I think it is good beginner adv or base for a project build. Otherwise I’m not the biggest fan of the Tenere, the new World Raid seems to fox a couple of the main issues though!
But what about the KLR….single, heavy weight, no maintenance….
True, the un-killable KLR does go against the rule. Don’t forget boring engine too 🤣
@@TheMotoBarista agree but really cheap too
Obviously you can have an ‘adventure’ on any motorcycle but really there are three categories off road motorcycles - enduro - dual sport - adventure - the cylinders fall into these categories as most experienced riders would never call a single cylinder bike an ‘adventure bike’. As one bike does not do the job of all three categories well.
@@scottaubrey8392 I agree but I think the lines between the categories are becoming more blurry. I have seen some amazing 500cc exc and 690/701 builds from experienced riders that are amazing adventure bikes even for RTW.
@@TheMotoBarista well if your taking into consideration modified bikes then anything can be an adventure bike…a standard 500EXC is not the wisest choice for long distances.
I'd buy 701 or 690 again in a heartbeat.
Really that good? I am legitimately tempted about a 690 as my next bike 😬😬😬😬
@@TheMotoBarista yes, does 80% of ADV and 80% of enduro stuff. OK on a highway, great in city, fantastic off-road. Even short 2up rides are fun.
@@alexanderzhulin3528 hmmm definitely interesting to hear that, I’ll have to test ride one. My only concern will be highway speeds, sometimes I have to ride a long way to get to particular riding area. I could throw a tower on it but would worry about the engine handling high rpm for such a long time.
@@TheMotoBarista It does 130 km/h easily, even with 1 tooth less on the front sprocket. RMP still being in "recommended for break in range" I believe.
And yes, tower is a must in my opinion - it should be stock. With stock sprocket bike reaches 110 easily on a 4th gear.
@@alexanderzhulin3528 this is great to know. Going to go one for a spin soon, definitely could be my next bike 😬
is micheal j fox holding the camera?
You lost me at, "we have singles, twins, and triples in the adventure world" - NOT TRUE. A single cylinder bike is not an adventure bike ... it's a dual sport ... but believe whatever you want to believe...
I don't know about you, but the KTM 1290 V-Twin is pretty F'ing exciting.
Yeh, that engine will do that to you 🤣
1090R all day....
Man, I’d love to ride one, heard great things but only been able to ride the 1190 and 1290 🤙
@@TheMotoBarista oh man do it,had mine from brand new got it dialled now it's amazing to train on when I roll out the 450 feels like a kids bike.
Check my chanel barista.....
Anything over 450cc is just NOT built for "serious" off-roading....sorry, it's just Not!! I think people are drinking the kool-aide and don't understand Perception VS Reality.......a 650cc+ is built for Trail Riding......a 250-450cc is built to go threw Mud, hills, rocks, jump Logs and FLY over stuff that Larger bikes just can't really do.....I just don't think people understand What exactly they intend to Use the bike for. Also tires are important and it's totally a Compromise! There's Nothing that's Great off-road and Great on-road....Period.......it's all compromise.
I’m thinking about the KTM 500. I thought about adding it alongside my 790 but might even consider it as my light, do everything bike.
Adventure bike…..say it out loud “adventure bike”.
It’s not a enduro bike, it’s not a trail bike.
FFS adventure bike!!!