Sia Talks Directing Her First Feature Film 'Music'
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- Sia joins Variety's Power of Women: Conversations presented by Lifetime where she opens up about her upcoming directorial debut "Music," how screenwriter Dallas Clayton inspired her to make the transition to film, and how the movie serves as a love letter to caregivers of those with disabilities.
"Music" will be released in 2021.
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you did not just compare non verbal disabled people to “inanimate objects like a wig” did you???????
Do you know the time stamp?
@@marym9208 it’s 25:29
And sia said NOTHING
No
I'm so disgusted rn
The absolute smugness when she pulls out "special abilities." She really thinks she did something. By and large, disabled people hate that term, but she wouldn't know that unless she actually talked to one of us.
Yell yeah like telekinesis or leviating. Magical pixy fea powers, where are they?
My only "special ability" is noticing bullshit. Which this is.
But that's just common sense.
I wonder where all that research went ,that she claimed she has done.
Some even call it super powers. 😒 Well, they can have my so-called “super powers”, I’ll gladly trade them for having an actual life.
You don’t speak for all of us.
@@sarahmcmillan85
They never claimed to, hence the use of the term "by and large".
Disabled isn't a dirty word and sia isn't compassionate to our community
@Dan in a Can bc she’s infantilizing us. I’m begging you to please educate yourself. I’ll even give you resources. Mia Mingus is a great advocate for disabilities. You can also check out Sins Invalid which is a group run by disabled people that serves to educate about disabilities. It’s one thing to make this comment bc you don’t actually know what you are talking about but it’s another for someone to give you resources to better understand our thought process and for you to ignore them. So in light of that, please look at the resources that I’ve listed.
@Dan in a Can did you even look into the resources? I assume not bc that was an awfully quick response if you had. I can tell you need education on this topic. I provided you resources that were given to me at NYU when I took classes like Drama with Disability or Drama therapy. I respectfully replied, I’d have hoped you would have done the same. Again, I know you think you know best here but I really am just trying to help you realize why we are upset.
@Dan in a Can please do your research. Sia thinks us autistic people cannot act, that nonverbal is like an inanimate object, and she's working with Autism speaks which is an autism hate group who wants to eradicate us.
@Dan in a Can I'm not paranoid and I didn't realise I sound ridiculous just got stating facts. I rather not try to deny reality. Are you even autistic yourself and did you actually watch this whole video even?
@Dan in a Can If you aren't autistic, you can't speak for us and I'm not wrong. Lol ok bye then.
INANIMATE OBJECTS... LIKE WIGS? ARE YOU ACTUALLY SERIOUS?
She literally said the opposite directly afterwards, out of all the things to be mad about
@@cookiemocher388 I mean, as a nonverbal autistic person.... yes?
@@cookiemocher388 As an autistic person I feel the interviewer expressed herself in a terrible way, but didn't mean harm.
But she said that non verbal people "might as well be inanimate objects like a wig" which is a horrible comparison and clearly how she sees them(not only how she thinks society views them) and the "except", in my interpretation, does not mean that she stops seeing non verbal autistics as an inanimate object, but that she sees that "there's more inside" said object. Still quite offensive.
Even if she meant well, still offends.
What time
@@wolfie-b2d idk I’m looking for it lol
“They’re not called special needs now, they’re called special abilities” since fuckin when 😂
for real there’s nothing wrong with saying disabled
@@Applehands literally 😂 like special needs was bad enough but I’m not Batman I don’t have special abilities pahahah
It's weird that some people don't think it's right to call people with autism or adhd etc. disabled when it's literally shit. Sure there's good things about it too and it's a part of you that you maybe not want to change but it still sucks not being able to do normal things.
I don't know, the words are changing so fast
yea like bro just say autistic it’s ok
You DID NOT just compare a person.....a human being.... TO AN INANIMATED OBJECT?! WTF!?
time stamp????
@@Les____ 25:26 is when the question starts
There is another part that says 'except'
She said after that "but there's so much more in there", it's a Counter to the idea that they're just an object, she pretty much said they're human beings with feelings and a brain, the literal opposite of an object
@@cookiemocher388 she said that they might as well be an inanimate object, execpt there's a whole person inside there. That's abeilist for various reasons: 1. Just because a person can't/won't talk, it doesn't mean that they're anything like an object. Verbal communication isn't the only or even superior way of communication. 2. It's not like non-verbal people need Sia to tell the world that they're actually human, that's bs
I am really trying not to cry... my son is non-verbal autistic with 25 deleted genes and global developmental delays, but he IS NOT USELESS!! His smile lights up my life and he is an amazing person. He is my precious little man! You should be ashamed of yourselves for this interview and this movie.
I don’t mean to pry, but how do you know he has 25 deleted genes? I thought autism wasn’t genetic
@@ellieb.4468 We saw a geneticist who ordered a micro array test to be done on his DNA. His diagnosis is 25 deleted genes with specific emphasis on the deletion of the 2q23.1 gene. Autism is a "complication/symptom" of this particular deletion among many others.
@@kristinagibbons9787 dang, I am SO SORRY!!! Sending you and your sweet boy lots of love and hugs!!!!
@@kristinagibbons9787 Sia is missing the empathy gene!!!
@@ellieb.4468 I agree.
This interviewer should be fired.
EXACTLY
Yup
I wholeheartedly agree.
Now I got to the end of the video and heard what you all were talking about. I can't believe she said that. Not good.
I disagree, give her a chance to apologize. If she is still doing bad stuff, then she should lose her job. But if it's a mistake like this one time, I think she shouldn't be fired. That's her livelihood, she might have kids to support, etc.
When you get called a pure inanimate object because of your disability 😍
The point is that it’s how they are seen and apparently, the movie tries to speak out against this way of seeing them. I think people are making too many assumptions of what they’re talking about without watching the movie
@@notconvinced2204 I watched the movie and it was just a big of a mess as I suspected. Not only was storyline boring and predictable, but it actually showed a method of restraint that murders autistic people when it’s used, and actively promoted that as the right way to handle a meltdown. How many ignorant people do you think will see those scenes and kill an autistic person because that’s what they think is right to do? It was insulting, and if you’re not autistic then I really don’t care about what you have to say. I don’t spend my entire life catering towards neurotypical people to have them make a mockery of my disability in a movie that will never affect them. I recommend opening up your mind a little more to what autistic people are telling you.
@@notconvinced2204
Bullshit. The strobing lights alone prove that this movie wasn't made with autistic people in mind.
But being in the autistic spectrum is not a disability? 😥
@@arantux being autistic is a disability, a neurological disability to be specific
"autism comes in absolutely every shade" True, but not in the shade of neurotypicals! A neurotypical actor should not be telling the story of people who can tell it themselves just fine. This is not ok
@Dan in a Can !NEWS FLASH! Autistic actors can act too! When using stereotypes in an already misrepresented group it's important to have actual actors from that group play them so you don't misrepresent them even more. On top of that, disabled actors struggle enough to find jobs as it is, the least the film industry (including but not limited to Sia) could do is allow them to tell their own story. By not doing this Music has become a film for and by neurotypicals so that they can feel proud of themselves for feeling "compassion" for and "giving voices" to the poor, pure, innocent, defenseless inanimate objects that are autistics*, while they're actually actively harming the community. And even before the movie is out Sia has already done great harm in her interviews and tweets and by working with autism speaks.
*This is sarcastic, of course autistics aren't poor, defenseless, inanimate objects
@@ellaschaake9125 simply casting one neurotypical actor in one movie is not going to run actors with autism run out of business. Where was all the outrage when the movie The Other Sister came out?
@@matthewgarner6621 No it’s not, but casting one autistic actor for an autistic role is also not going to do any harm to the role or the movie, it’s only going to make the role more accurate and relatable. As for the outrage with other similar events, it was there, but the autistic community wasn’t heard as much. Since it was already a big deal that Sia was making a movie, more people heard about it and also saw the different things people had to say about it. However it shouldn’t matter that this is the first time you’ve ever heard the autistic community speak out about these things. Just because something bad has happened several times before doesn’t mean it’s okay to keep doing it. Casting one neurotypical actor for an autistic role already causes harm, working together with a hate group such as autism speaks causes harm, and the many terrible and incredibly ableist things Sia has said as a response to people speaking up about this instead of apologizing or just letting it go have caused an incredible amount of harm. In this specific case it’s not just about casting a neurotypical actor anymore, it’s now about the most obvious ableism I’ve ever seen and people are still defending it. This has become a bigger deal because it’s becoming very clear how ableist this society still is.
Do you know what acting is? It's a beautiful thing.
@@toothless9081 Do you know what reading is? Since you apparently dont I saved you the effort of actually looking at previous comments.
!NEWS FLASH! Autistic actors can act too! When using stereotypes in an already misrepresented group it's important to have actual actors from that group play them so you don't misrepresent them even more. On top of that, disabled actors struggle enough to find jobs as it is, the least the film industry (including but not limited to Sia) could do is allow them to tell their own story. By not doing this Music has become a film for and by neurotypicals so that they can feel proud of themselves for feeling "compassion" for and "giving voices" to the poor, pure, innocent, defenseless inanimate objects that are autistics*, while they're actually actively harming the community. And even before the movie is out Sia has already done great harm in her interviews and tweets and by working with autism speaks.
*This is sarcastic, of course autistics aren't poor, defenseless, inanimate objects
If she really studied autism so much, she would know autism is different for female and male people. This representation is soo inaccurate.
@Dan in a Can autism just expresses itself differently in males and females, severely, it’s so often misdiagnosed in women because there’s so little research. Like a lot of illnesses and disabilities; most, if not all, research is done on males, not females, so a lot of people don’t know that there’s such a severe difference. Knowing this, it’s so wrong if you also know that Sia based Music’s entire character on a male friend of hers that’s also autistic. The research was just not enough. Neurodivergent people are so underrepresented and misrepresented that if you want to do it the right way, you should put in the effort needed and accept the things you did wrong when the very people you wanted to represent correctly are telling you you’re wrong.
@Dan in a Can in some ways i agree sia can sing but has the personality, understanding and sex appeal of my radiator and thats a compliment.
I'm sorry, did you just gender autism? I am so offended. I definitely win the most offended prize. 🏆👉Me
It shows up different in woman, yes, but that doesn't mean that there are no woman with autism like the character of Music
If there's a point where she said it's the same in both genders, then let me know
The fact Variety has not apologized for their interviewer comparing non-vocal people with ASD to inanimate objects is deplorable.
Because apologies are dumb
"Here's this person who can't speak, she might as well be an object."
You're cool with a person saying things like this about people with disabilities representing you, Variety?
yeah variety is probably highly ableistic themselves and probably look down on autistics . Its the sad reality of the world we live in and showcases how much shit autistic people have to go through
I see you’re incapable of being honest with yourself.
@@ohwellwhateverr As an autistic person I can confirm that I'm not an object, actually. (Seriously what does that even mean in this context lol shoo)
@@jemueltabutol No, the interviewer implied that Sia somehow "breathed life" into a nonverbal character with her directing/writing. At least that's how it read to me. Sia nodding instead of saying something in defense of nonverbal people is also deeply concerning.
@@jemueltabutol I mean you're welcome to think that but it's clear that most of the commenters, including autistic people, do not feel that way about the comment.
"...made it like old movies like Rain Man and Forrest Gump."
Oh dear.
Ya. Let’s totally make it like a movie from like 30 years ago back when they stereotyped and didn’t know as much as they do now about autism. SMH Sia. Come on now. Oh dear is right my dude.
high functioning and low functioning are outdated rude terms
what are correct terms now?
@@rosemarycandlenight8499 just autistic, functioning labels aren't real
@@bodotdusak4660 again truth functioning labels are harmful because they do set up unrealistic expectations for people however there are different severities and it's important not to dismiss that especially for people with austic children so that they can best know how to care for them
@@bodotdusak4660 can you give me any readings or resources? I work in rehabilitation field and I have seen those labels even in scientific papers. I seriously need to know the correct terms and the actual opinion from people who belong to this community please
@@BlackRose0555 All I can give you is my mother is a psychologist, instead of using functioning they use levels, like 1, 2, 3 etc.
for those asking, her talking about how maddie didn't want to be involved bc she thought it would be offensive before sia convinced her to do it anyway starts at 2:30
..i-is she showing off how she convinced her?
bruh
this girl wanted whats best for autistic people
she wanted an actual autistic to be playing this role instead of her
BUT NO
sia just fucking ignored that and FORCED her into this role
Maddies honestly got such a heart to her and it’s sad how Sia’s manipulated that image now
@Arkham Soooo true. I noticed that too. Even she laughs at it when she says that.
Also, she uses constantly the phrase "I use Maddie" as if she is an object instead of a human... that doesn't sound good at all.
I feel nauseous...
"Compelled to rescue her" is SUCH a red flag. Their relationship is not healthy for Maddie.
She also said that she keeps creating projects for Maddie to keep her safe.
Do you think she has a trauma?
@@mickeyw3868 she didn’t say it like that
@@laurasmeets8492 i think you need to rewatch it. She certainly did say that.
@@laurasmeets8492 22:00
Maddie: I'm worried autistic people will feel disrespected by this portrayal.
Sia: Nah
Autistic ppl: **feel disrespected**
Sia: **surprised pikachu**
I really hope Maddie doesn't get any hate for this
Well it's more of
Sia: * *ignores everything* *
@@katlyn9575 yeah Maddie's is soo cute
It's a little hypocritical that Sia said "movies and music are for you to project your stuff onto" but then gets angry at autistic individuals for not liking the movie. Literally our "stuff" we are projecting onto this movie, is the experience of being autistic.
More like
Sia: cusses out the people who are trying to let her know what she’s doing before it’s too late and then plays the victim card like: 💅🤑😎
and then everyone else is like: 😱😤😡🤬
"special abilities" that makes me feel ill. Disabled isn't a dirty word!
@brookekelly I'm disabled and I do, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Being disabled makes my life harder and last time I checked I had no "special abilities" to compensate
@brookekelly Just because you don't find it offensive or hurtful, doesn't mean e v e r y o n e else feels the same. Why is this such a hard concept to understand?
@brookekelly I think the main problem is that it's a bit patronising to say we're "special abilities" rather than just saying disabled. I think abled people often feel uncomfortable with disabilities, so saying we're just "special" is easier for them. But, until "disabled" starts being used, we won't be able to get the accomodations we need. It's not necessarily offensive, but disabled is better. The r word is a slur, so not the same at all
@brookekelly Actually, no. Not anymore. Retard has been deemed as a slur because of the negative background it grew to have because of people... being assholes I guess.
I.E
It used to be a medical term but due to it only ever used to dehumanize or/and belittle someone, it quickly grew into a slur.
Yes, by technicality, it's used to describe disabled people... But it's a dehumanizing and belittle description.
@brookekelly Dirt word? Maybe not.
But just because a word isn't dirty doesn't mean it isn't demeaning or/and insulting.
For example:
Calling someone a child isn't a dirty word, but in certain context and tones, it can be very demeaning and insulting to someone.
Calling someone overreactive isn't a dirty word, but in certain context and tones it can patronising and harmful as you're refusing to see their P.O.V to the situation.
Context and Tones mean everything, and I can tell you personally, that "Special Abilities" has been used to demeaning and harmful to the community.
You literally compare non verbal autistics to inanimate objects 🤮 and sia enthusiastically agrees. This is actually disgusting
@Dan in a Can But she shouldn't have said the first part in the first place and people should already know that there are things going on in there in everyone's minds
@@purely_cringe3498 they are literally adressing NT stereotypes
@Dan in a Can there is no stereotype that autistics are inanimate objects, nobody thinks that. She isn’t saving them buy demonstrating that they are people. That’s so fucked up.
@@Colorinchis2024 so if I said “you know people often think that we should just euthanise all disabled people but you really showed that some disabled people actually can have meaningful lives” that’s ok? Of course not! Nobody is saying that. Just like no one is saying that autistic people are inanimate objects. That’s her thought from her own bias. She didn’t her it somewhere else in passing and wants to address it.
@@hannahnugent2937 Yes many people think Autistic people are objects like the interviewer that said that and she after corrected her and said she wants people to know that their real people with feelings to not be cruel . But funny enough to try to twist and project your own thoughts on to other people for attention
Poor Maddie. No adult in her corner to stand up for her. Sia should have listened to Maddie.
In case anybody wondered what neurotypical saviour complex looks like, it's this.
I recently made a shortfilm about autism myself, i hope you like it! th-cam.com/video/dr4bX8qmed0/w-d-xo.html
There's just as much undiagnosed, virtue signalling and fake
Outrage in these comments.
While you're handy diagnoses .
Jokes on you eh? I knew she was on the spectrum
Bullshit. She's doing something good.
@@sop1710 Keep that same energy next time we inevitably hear of somebody restraining and autistic individual and getting them hurt or worse. Virtue signaling is not the same thing as helping, especially when in the process you actively spread LETHAL misinformation. It is honestly wild to me that this movie is even allowed to be viewed by the general public given the very real potential of lives being lost as a result of that misinformation.
did she just called mute people inanimate objects to dismiss them?
Not only you are incredible offensive, you are also very ignorant about wigs. Wigs are incredible in communicating an array of feelings, sociological aspects, historical context, characteristics, - they can be artistic, and wigs have been vital in affirming several groups of people into their identity. By your own analogy you are extremely wrong in your conclusion.
So, stop desperately trying to pander to celebrities, revisit your morals, and check yourself.
What the fuck did I just read
At just 14 years old Maddie had more common sense and empathy than a grown woman. A shame that she was forced into this.
Omg watch the video she was never forced into it
@Oliver Vasquez lol calm down Jesus. She’s under contract so she didn’t have as much say as she could have.
@Emily and your point is? Clearly it’s enraging the autistic community meaning it isn’t doing what it should be.
@@JessE-vk8dh the point is how would you know if a film is endangering if you haven't seen it
@@cookiemocher388 if the trailer is causing issues for people with the condition the film is about, then maybe this film has issues
Wow, less than 2 minutes, I'm already disgusted, are you really calling us high and low functioning? What am I a freaking OBJECT to you?? Yes I communicated with words I took from books only as a child, it didn't make me any less of a PERSON. TWO MINUTES AND THIS HAS ME SHAKING WITH ANGER 😡 because guess what Sia I have emotions, because contrary to your belief, I am a person
I don’t want to be offensive in any way but I just have a question. What’s wrong with saying high and low functioning? Just asking because I’m a psych major so that’s how we make it clear we can’t expect everyone who has a disability to be on one end of that (for example I have depression but it’s sort of high functioning because it doesn’t disrupt my normal daily activities as much as it does for some others but some people assume everyone with depression has to be lower functioning or else you don’t have it). I never heard it was offensive but is it?
@@alyssajoyf because they rank us on how much we blend with neurotypicals, not how healthy we are, or how are we able to perform tasks in general. Under a lot of stress I can go non-verbal because my brain just won't do word stuff, but I am still able to do everything else, I don't become less functional. Also, most of us can do the same things neurotypicals can, but we usually do it differently, or take another approach, but to some this is outrageous. And additional to that it's extremely biased, some humans guess I'm "high functioning" based on my looks alone, my brain is not a reflection of my outer appearance.
Hey, I'm so sorry that you and the whole autistic community have to go through this. I'm just letting you know that the rest of the neurodivergent community is here for you. This will effect us all negatively but you most of all and we're here to fight with you and comfort you. Sending love, please take a moment to breathe and drink some water for me
Mmm what book did that come from....
I have a question. Doesn't low and high functioning just mean low and high iq?
sia is rly trying to be the hero in this situation. but she is rly the villain
Wut?
@@gaminghunt5837 I don’t know what planet these people are on
@@ohwellwhateverr yeah,I wonder where they come from.
@@RobynFrost where did I disagree with you?
It’s so upsetting that Maddie KNEW it was wrong in the beginning, but then Sia told her not to worry about it. Wow
People are so predictable and pattern following
I'm reading all these fake out rage & virtue signalling Comments claiming to be sticking up for Maddie.
Knowing damn well, most of you are just sitting and waiting for Maddie to make a mistake in life so you can heap the same condescending B.S & cancel Culture on her as well.
It's like you just go out looking and anticipating something to offended by, and flex some Fake outrage.
@@Peakfreud This isn’t fake outrage. This movie she created wasn’t that good and even showed dangerous restraint scenes which have KILLED autistic people!
@@summerrose7839 Not arguing that at all.
But if you think for one second, the
Majority of these comments are genuine and are from people who have seen or give two $hits about autism.... That would be extremely naive.
This movie has got more people discussing autism mostly because it's the Virtuous Topic of the moment, than ever before.
You give Slacktivist more credit than I.
@@KAMstudio1242 I know that. I said Maddie knew it was wrong in the BEGINNING, but then Sia and (presumably) other adults on set were able to convince her that it's fine for her to play an autistic character, even though it isn't and even though that was her initial gut feeling
Nothing about it is wrong. You are just easily influenced by others.
I feel bad for Maddie that Sia roped her into this. I hope she doesn’t end up taking the brunt of the criticism. She looks up to Sia and was just trusting her lead.
Maddie isn’t a child anymore.. she wasn’t forced into it. She can make choices of her own.
I agree that Sia truly cares for Maddie and has given her so much.. but it sounded like Maddie didn’t really feel comfortable doing this particular role.. but how can she say no to the woman who basically handed her a career ?
@@hS-nt6pr of course she can say no. Why couldn'tt she?
@@km_95 it's called being under a contract 😐
@@phoenix5583 just because Sia has given her so much I feel like she would feel too bad to say no. Maddie is so polite.
Sia is unhealthily attached and obsessed with Maddie
It’s definitely bizarre
Agreed
Who are you to judge!
@@bobvanderhout9777 adults that share beds with children are subject to judgement
@@narru9603 And there are still many biological parents who take advantage of their kids. Your point?
Ignorance isn't bliss, it's toxic positivity. Inclusivity is bliss.
This interview was so weird. Sia is way too obsessed with maddie and the interviewer is just agreeing with everything sia says
Yes, exactly what I was thinking. Like was this interviewer hired by Sia herself, the way she is sucking it up... weird, ignorant and egotistical interview. Sounds like Sia should have done a movie about herself. Maybe she would have got her point across and without upsetting so many. She may have tried to hide from fame, but she has a large platform. Take responsibility.
Maddie needs to get the hell away from Sia. There is some serious grooming going on there.
Shut up
"There's this wide-eyed innocence of this character, Music, that in times like this is almost so radically different, and it's so... just feels so nice, you know?"
Glad to know that a disability which has made me naive, overly trusting, and vulnerable to abuse by people who noticed that quality in me and were quick to exploit it, makes YOU feel better when you watch some b.s. inspirational "Rainman musical with girls". I am nothing like Rainman, and this film clearly had very little input from people who are actually autistic. 🙄
At least Rainman actually was a well made film with good acting in it. This wasn’t even well made or well acted so you can’t even fall back on that.
A movie that portrayed that in a much better way was Edward ScissorHands, Edward was autistic-coded because Tim Burton is autistic and he based the character on himself and how he felt among “normies”, Edward is an artificial human being who doesn’t understand social clues or conventions but it’s not showed as something “cute”, “pure” or “wholesome” it shows how vulnerable he is among others so there are many situations where people make fun of him and he laughs with them without realizing he was the joke, or they used his skills for their own benefit and let him get in trouble because of that and everyone else would think he did it on his own because his mind works in a different way (neurodivergence)
I'm scared this movie will make the stigma and false representation of the autism spectrum worse.... I don't have autism myself but as a neurodivergiant person it makes me so angry to see neurotipycal people make movies "for us"
Imagine putting an autistic person in that role. It would be abusive to do that. That’s why Sia put Maddie. She already tried several times with autistic people and they couldn’t handle it
@@sheroo1000 There’s plenty of autistic actors out there. An good example of a successful autistic actor is Anthony Hopkins.
Everyone’s support needs are different and while a set might be overstimulating for some, it’s not for others. Especially if the correct workplace accommodations are made.
Even if it was impossible to get an autistic actor (which I highly doubt) they could of still brought autistic people on to advise on how the representation was being handled.
@@taphel7125 Sia casted 13 autistic actors in the film, and the film was closely monitored by autistic people throughout the pre-production, development and post-production of the film. In Sia’s own words: “We sent it to the Child Mind Institute in New York and they watched it. A whole bunch of people with autism watched it, a whole bunch of people who are caregivers, or people that are studiers of the brain - students of the brain - and they gave her 100%.”
@@sheroo1000 watch paige layle's video, she explains it very well
Wow, yikes.
The saviour complex with regards to Maddie Ziegler doesn’t bode well for how she’s pushing herself as a saviour for disabled folks in this film. Also I feel so sorry for Ziegler, clearly having been nervous about portraying autism, yet presumably not having been aware of how harmful this particular narrative is.
Okay so it doesn’t sound like she even considered casting a neurodivergent actor to play Ziegler’s role :/
People with a “bad vibe” were fired? Could this possibly have included people who were making fair criticisms of the film’s portrayal of autism? She says coming to work with good intentions was the key, but sadly you can have 100% good intentions but still create something incredibly harmful.
Also the infantilisation of non-verbal folks by the interviewer is genuinely horrifying.
“I’ve always had a thing for people with special abilities”. A) You can call people disabled, stop spreading this ~inspiration porn~ narrative. B) wow this statement really feels like she just wants to swoop in and act as the saviour rather than helping to amplify autistic people’s own voices. And rainman was the model for this? A movie famous amongst autistics for how problematic it’s portrayal of the condition is? Really?
Okay now they’re both hugely infantilising autistic people. Gosh this is too much.
I noticed that.
I'm pretty prepared to say at this point, I don't think this was Ziegler's fault.
I'm still searching for my "special abilities" 🤔
@@Revi_Skycrusher big mood 😂
Sia is a narcissist.
@@SensorySensitiveAdult what had Maddie to with it lmfaooo. Sia had hits BEFORE Chandelier
I'm disabled, but now I've heard Sia say I have "special abilities" I can suddenly fly, so that's cool 🙄
"ignorance is bliss"...Sia does seem rather blissful here, just saying! 🤦🏼♂️😏👎
Sia puts on a happy face here, but she is not a blissful person and is in fact deeply troubled and paranoid. Not saying you're wrong, just saying that ignorance isn't bliss, it's toxic positivity.
Delete this and apologize.
Even if she did that it wouldn't make up for this
@@beverleyblair2678 can someone explain how ppl can get killed by this ?? Ppl said this but idk
@@wolfie-b2d Restraining in general but especially in a Prone position is physically dangerous as it is putting pressure on the person as they're lying face down on the ground. It's also emotionally traumatising for all involved. It's basically abusive. And it has caused death in the past and still today.
@@wolfie-b2d yes someone can I'm sure if I'm best at it or completely correct, if you restrain someone/them they could stop breathing.
@@beverleyblair2678 oh ty I understood
25:27 I’m actually going to throw up.
She is losing her accent. Its weird to hear. She says certain vowels with a hard American accent now.
I KNOW it’s so weird
Is she Australian ? I can barely tell. She sounds very American
@@Ivy-og5xd yes
LOVE how she mentions caregivers first when she says who the video is for. Of course the only character she could even envision is the caregiver, who Kate plays.
Sia’s relationship is so strange; like she didn’t want to be famous because fame it’s dangerous and toxic or whatever and yet she decides to hire a 11 year old kid to “represent” her and be in the spotlight and yet she claims she rescued Maddie from the stressful life of fame??? And like telling this child she is her muse; making her work in things that made her uncomfortable even when she saw her in distress? Isn’t it obvious for Sia that now she is the source of stress for Maddie???
IDK... it’s so sad that Maddie’s being a pawn for adults Through out her entire life; it was either Abby Lee Miller and her mother or Sia... it’s a shame
@Chul Pan It's called B.S
And you, you forgot to Include yourself.
You're part of the machine that consumes gossip
And reality T.V , you're part of the market & demographic that enables the ratings, popularity which in turn generates revenue
And funding.
The difference is you're anonymous and can hide your hypocrisy While using Maddie, Sia, The Kardashians or whom ever dirty laundry you have access to in order to virtue signal
And throw tempor Tantrums of fake outrage.
Maddy grew on T.V for yours and people's like you entertainment... You call it guilty pleasure I call it hypocrisy.
I don’t trust any grown ass person who says a child is their muse
2:57
Sia: I wont let that happend!
Also sia: *lets that happend*
sia saying she didnt want to diagnose her as to offend somebody and yet proceeds to release this movie as it offends the entire community is so funny and so fucked up at the same time
Someone not being able to speak due to their disability does not make them any less of a human being. You do not have the right to call any living thing an inanimate object. That is disrespectful and downright disgusting.
"Theres enough bullshit and violence in the world" your movie is part of that.
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE
Agreed!
can you please stop saying "high functioning" and "low functioning"? it's not a good way to categorise people, it's just harmful
Says she’s done research on autism for years then uses language like low functioning...
What is the proper term then?💖
@@laurenj432 well it depends what you are trying to explain. Autistic is the right term to use. My son is non speaking so I usually tell people he is nonverbal autistic. What people usually want to say when they say “low functioning” is they have a diagnosis of intellectual disability on top of the autism diagnosis. So you can say autistic with high support needs. If anyone ever called my son low functioning for not being able to speak, we would have problems!
@@vaneu780 Thank you for replying and explaining it to me respectfully! I see how it could be used in an insulting way, ‘High support needs’ is much more respectful and accurate. I admire how much of an advocate you are for your son, thanks again🥰
@@laurenj432 no problem, thank you for asking!
@@laurenj432 I'd say probably non verbal or verbal but I'm not autistic so plz correct me if I'm wrong!
Wow Sia without covering her face.
She only began that crap in 2013. Prior to that she had 3-4 records. I always thought it was funny that US Fans were mainly introduced to her through the 2013 album. So many people are like "wow" but shes been here ... for years.
I mean, i always knew what her face looked like even before she covered her face lol since she's been in the music industry for YEARS now.
But i get why she would want to cover her face and remain "incognito" because being famous isn't as great as people think. I would know 😔
@@SkyNetGeneral- Actually she shows her face cause She isnt a Singer right. She is a producer/ Writer she is Director Sia not Pop star singer Sia thats why she doesnt show her face when she sings
I didnt even realize how old she looks.
Other times that she has shown her face she has had prosthetics on it to change her features, so still isn't really showing her face
as an autistic person i feel like i just got hate crimed
The fatuous expressions on both the interviewer and sia. A preview for this whole self congratulatory interview.
"I don't want people to talk about them like their not there" but it's okay to compare them to an inanimate object...
100% on Sia this is not maddies fault.
25:29
"The ability to speak does not make you inteligent"
That goes for all 3 of them
"she had the most stressful time, worse then any other kid" look Im not doubting she had a bad time in the environment, but there are definitely kids who had it worse.
No kid “had it worse” than the other. We don’t wanna invalidate any childhood trauma just cause someone else’s might’ve been worse.
The interview is such a Karen and Sia is just agreeing with her
Because Sie is a Karen too
I truley hate hate how Sia portrayed the main character. I have a freind whos autistic and he is the nicest human ever and would do anything for anyone she is genuinely giving this amazing community and give a demonstration of one out of many I really hate this
“Played phenomenally” sure whatever. She didn’t even want to play it cause she thought it was disrespectful
Feel bad for Maddie in this, it isn't her fault.
her calling maddie zieglers childhood the most stressful made me laugh
You clearly have no empathy and no understanding of what her childhood might have been like.
@@sharbux i mean, there are kids who literally don't have any food to eat but yeah obviously the dancer who has all this privilege has the most stressful childhood. I know being popular at that age with all that pressure to be perfect and a role model is not easy, but come on... OP just laughed at that statement, it's not a crime lmao and definitely doesn't show lack of empathy??
@@sharbux yeah as someone who was beat as a kid & grew up poor i would’ve much rather grown up in the public eye & gotten yelled at by a dance teacher. i don’t compare or quantify trauma but by no means does maddie ziegler have a hard life
Everyone has different stresses in their lives, but we can't deny that being on dance moms is not good for anybody
Same lol
This has to be a joke what
Sadly... It's not 😔
Very objectifying--she wants to use the "innocence" of "special abilities" people to give off "good vibes."
I feel so bad for Maddie ! This could end up hurting her career. Sia has pushed the boundaries in the past, but this is another level.
So disability was offensive, changed it for you crybabies and now the new word’s offensive and you want the old one back. Make up your minds.
@@tinyte5668 None of us asked for it to be changed.
@@AmyNumberSeven still Sia is trying her best, why are people mad at this
@@cookiemocher388 I truly believe that Sia had only good intentions while trying to tell this story, but those in the autism community have spoken out about using a non autistic actor. Since Maddie is the one they think “stole” a role away from someone with autism I just hope they know she was not to blame.. especially because she wasn’t even comfortable doing the role in the first place until Sia convinced her.
SIA is full of it! using functioning labels when referring to autistic ppl is offensive. Casting a neuro typical person in an autistic characters role is offensive
@brookekelly if youre not autistic yourself you don't get to say that this is okay. actually autistic people have been telling everyone how this is harmful, stop trying to speak over us
Well my daughter has autism and she’s 10 and wants to watch this not at all offended
good job on missing what i was saying completely. like good for you if you don't find it offensive, but this is more than just taking offense. many of us are ACTIVELY HARMED by the movie and sia's actions and my *entire point* is to LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO AREBEING HARMED.
It’s really really really not that offensive lmao
She’s not being offensive to autistic people. This movie is based on a friend of hers that actually has it. Sia is not basing this movie off of all autistic people.. just one. Not everyone.
this film is so disappointing in every way, only topped by Sia's response to criticisms. so frustrated by all of this
Don't critizise something u have not seen!
Following that logic you'd have to cast real doctors, real pilots, real pirates, real aliens etc to be portrayed in movies in order to satisfy people's politically correct narrative. You simply can't cast random people because just they fulfill one criterion (be it gender, sexual orientation, disability, skin color). People have become used to talking bullshit about everyone when something in their narrow diversity/inclusion bubble is not right
@@faenjeggiropp depends who you ask, if you’re black, a male nurse, a female doctor. After all you’re not a doctor in those marginalized groups so you can’t speak on it 😀 see how that sounds? This isn’t twitter hon, go back to crying because some misgendered you a she/he/them instead of xceo pronouns.
@@nb6963 The thing is, I have never seen a neurotypical actor I really bought as autistic. It's always apparent within seconds that this isn't how the actor naturally is. On the rare occasion that I see a movie with an actual autistic actor, it's astonishing how much realer they seem - it's the difference between an animatronic and a real creature.
Don't judge a film you haven't seen, plus her responses were reasonable, only response I can understand people getting mad at was "maybe you're a bad actor"
These people you compare to wigs are, believe it or not, people. They can understand everything you are saying about them not being people. Imagine how much it would hurt you if someone compared you to an inanimate object, assuming you were too stupid to understand. They know, and it hurts them.
This is honestly the saddest and most ignorant thing I have ever sat through. SIA and Variety you should be ashamed of yourselves, This movie deserves no money and my heart goes out to Maddie because she at the start said she didn't want to do this.
- weird interview
- at 10:58 did Sia say she "hate's musicals" ? ??? - then why did you try directing a musical?
- 16:55 "I'm supposed to be Sia" - um, is she not sia then? - has someone else been sia this whole time?
- the video description: "how the movie serves as a love letter to caregivers" - so I'm guessing that is why Sia is not being too nice to the people trying to get realistic representation of Autistics, coz it seems it isnt really about the Autistic character.
- and I stopped watching when the interviewer said " “The main story here, which is here’s this person who can’t speak, you know she might as well be an inanimate object like a wig, except there’s so much going on in there.”" - wow.
- no
how is it possible that people out there see NOTHING wrong with her little "movie"
A lack of education and possibly being oblivious to past incidents of restraining autistic people in a dangerous way
25:30 Interviewer comparing non verbal autistics to wigs 🥰😍😍😍✨✨💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻. Yeah we autistics feel so appreciated with this movie😩😩😩
I am so sorry for saying this, I am autistic and I felt offended by what that woman said about non-verbal autism because my little brother has low functioning autism and is non-verbal but he has so much emotion and personality and his autism does not define him as a human being and that is worlds apart from being an inanimate object like a fucking wig.
We autistics are not functioning people, we're support needs people.
@@aussieman3021 I totally understand. This is teaching non-autistic people that this is ok, when it isn't. We can speak for ourselves and we don't need people like Sia, who I don't think even cares much about the autism community, acting like they care about us when in reality they don't, we are human beings, not an emotional topic that she can use to have a big fat check arrive at her door. We need to own autism for ourselves and others.
Shirley - a person an inanimate object!? How do you have the power to conduct an interview? I can’t even with the fact that hundreds of people were involved with this movie and no one thought to try and further educate themselves.
Why didn’t she get the boy it’s about to be the character who’s on the spectrum?
While I don't like this movie, expecting someone with nonverbal autism to be able to work on such a grueling, high stress process like starring in a movie, is not realistic. The long hours, being able to follow the directors demands, the sensory overload of the set and the people and the chaotic environment.
I am on the spectrum, im raising my niece who is 2 and has a diagnosis of sensory processing disorder and would have a official autism diagnosis but we cancelled the last appointment because of covid (im severely immunocompromised). I have also helped out at my states top school for people with autism and interacted with people who are nonverbal. I also used to watch the channel fatheringautism, which is about raising a teen girl with nonverbal autism and i cannot imagine a more overwhelming environment than being on set and the star in a movie production.
I understand that but surely having someone who is on the spectrum playing the character is better than someone offensively imitating an autistic person.
I'm not suggesting that someone with non verbal autism should play the role but perhaps someone who is autistic should still play the role because they would be able to relate to the character much more than a neurotypical person.
@@scrollon3044 what happened to the spectrum buddy? Thought some autistic people were different from others? So inclusive and offended, but excluding others at the same time...hmm it’s almost like it’s fake outrage to be offended over something. Is there like a giant spinning wheel for who gets to be offended over stuff they didn’t care about/over exaggerating/ feelings over facts for a month? Appears so.
@@tinyte5668 Autistic thought processes are different to neurotypical ones. Any autistic person would have far greater understanding of what it’s like to think that way. It’s obvious when a neurotypical actor is pretending to be autistic. They just play up to stereotypes. It’s damaging to the public understanding of neurodiversity.
@@willsonj then go make a autism movie yourselves instead of demanding others to do so for you.
All the Autistic community is feeling this movie so offensive (me included). It's not good AT ALL for us nor for the perspective that the whole world has created about us. We don't aprove it.
You're lying.
You don't speak for all of nothing.
You're pandering for virtue points is just as stomach turning.
It's the straight up ableism for me
26:10 "I think it's cruel to talk about people like they're not there..." bitch you wot
also it's not "special abilities" it's "neurodivergent" or just "disabled"
this woman has big "high school studio art teacher who thinks she's 'quirky' because she's disorganized/unprepared for class, but is also lowkey a major control freak who only lets everyone do every project the way *she* wants" energy.
no one gonna talk about her explanation of attachment theory?? Not very accurate. She’s got some right but you can tell its just from surface research on google and not in depth research. Definitely not what I’ve been learning from my psych professor 💀😂
Social psychologist and mother of an autistic teen daughter here. This is so wrong in so many ways. Her savior complex is evident in her discussion of Maddie and in want to “represent” a community of which she is not part and with which the actual movie has little connection. Her discussion of attachment theory is just bizarre. There’s definitely nothing “cutting edge” about attachment theory, and I have no idea why she even brings up attachment parenting.
Her explanation barely accurate at surface level. What little I know of psychology theory this not best for directing. I agree about saviour complex.
Yes! I’m a psychology major and I was really confused about what the heck she was on about. It was so weird that she was calling it a cutting edge new type of psychology 😂 A lot of attachment theory has ties to older Freudian psychology, which is NOT new at all.
Where is Maddie's management
This is one of the most self indulgent things I’ve heard. Sia could have simply apologized and said she would do better. Own your choices, Sia. It’s interesting that uncover your face to tell others stories, but keep your face covered when singing or talking about yourself.
@Dan in a Can Agreed! She’s done nothing wrong
@@sheroo1000 You would still support her even after she confessed a murder, wouldn't you?
Sia picked the wrong time to start showing her face again.
Where is the time stamp for where she says Maddie was crying worried she would offend someone? So disgusting that she made her do this
2:30
She didn’t make her do it
@@angelbeazley7012 Maddie is a kid and SIA is a powerful and very influential adult who plays a big role in her life. It's not on Maddie that this happened, especially when her worries were ignored by the adults who are actually responsible for this movie.
@Dan in a Can Do you see the irony that you're telling us to not complain on social media and "get a life" while simultaneously complaining on social media yourself?
@Dan in a Can when it’s people who are on the spectrum finding this movie extremely offensive it’s not just “ whining millennials” this movie is supposed to be representing autistic people. so when autistic people are taking issue with the things she’s saying or her casting decisions clearly there’s an issue.
I can't even watch this all the way through. It hurts so much. It hurts so damn much to be represented this way and for it to be laughed off.
You do not get to dictate the struggles that disabled people like me have to go through. The way she compares them to a wig is gross. That person is a human and no human deserves that. This movie is not helping us but doing the opposite, it give bullies a gateway to act like that.
I don’t have deepen knowledge about disability but 2 MINUTES of this video already makes me livid.
Sia u f*cked up real bad
I spent like an hour on Twitter looking into this topic and I know more about this topic than a full grown adult that apparently researched for *3 years*
'Low-functioning' PogO
Sia’s assistant: “You’re coming off a little bit unlikeable. Is that what you want?”
Sia: “YES.”
It's the being called inanimate objects because we're autistic for me. It's the thinking "disabled" is a dirty word for me. It's the being compared to a wig for me. It's the genderblind casting for me. It's the lead actor being uncomfortable for me. It's the savior complex for me. It's the using an autistic character as a prop for the Neurotypical caregivers story for me. It's the functioning labels for me.
I can't belive I ever looked up to her :(
This is the interview paige layle was talking about!
“I really believe we came up with the best film.”
*gets three Razzie awards*
this breaks my heart... 😭 NO ETHICS, NO COMPASSION. NO SIA.
I'm grateful to all the folks on this thread and in other places who are doing the emotional labour of explaining why this movie is so problematic for all our communities, Autistic and otherwise. Let's keep amplifying #actuallyautistic voices.
You haven't seen the movie yet, I can understand calling Sia's response problematic but don't say that about a movie you have not watched, the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 was Awful but the movie was surprisingly not bad, it wasn't great but it was funny enough
@@cookiemocher388 I guess the difference here is that Ghostbusters was not about an often marginalized and ignored group of people who are trying to break stereotypes in media representation. The folks who are speaking out about this movie are talking about ongoing reinforcement of negative stereotypes of Autistic people (and people with Autism) as being perpetual children, being referred to as an inanimate object (in this case a wig) because they don't talk in a conventional speech manner, and the ongoing trope of the family member who is a martyr/saviour (diminishing the value of the Autistic person to that of broken/needing saving/ultimately being fulfilling of the caregiver character).
Although, I didn't see Ghostbusters (2016), so could be wrong about that.
@@lisagates477 you don't know that's what the movie is about because you haven't seen it, we barely know the plot, all we know is that the sister is taking care of her sister, Sia didn't base this movie off a stereotype, she based it off a real person, the point is we should wait till the movie comes out to see if it's what we think it is, it Could Not be for all you or even I know
@@cookiemocher388 just curious as to whether you have read comments, blog posts and articles by #actuallyautistic people about this movie and this interview in particular? My voice is only intended to amplify theirs.
Great article, @@AshleyWool. Clear, concise and a good primer for anyone who is not getting the depth of this situation.
giving maddie final cut is such a stupid solution. thats not the 14 year old actresses job. thats sias job as the director and as the adult. maddie shouldnt be the one making those decisions thats terrible
I know this is not the most important part of this video but she described attachment theory incorrectly because some attachment labels change between childhood and adulthood plus anxious avoidant is now known as disorganized attachment not whatever she said
Actually Sia herself said fearful avoidant is now known as disorganized attachment in an earlier interview. She herself said she used to be disorganized and is now pretty much secure
Ohh I expected so much from Sia regarding this movie, there is so much deepth in her music and lyrics, I don't get how could she even create something so superficial, love her so much but she obviously didn't care about the autistic community at all while creating the movie, It had so much potential, if she would actually mean it, and she just threw this chance away, and later even acted like a b... I can't even express my disappointment enough.. 😥
i wanna hear maddie's side so bad, she seems to be held back (possibly because grownups are surrounding her idk) or i may be too paranoid
Well this interview was Held by a Company sponsored by the Lifetime, the same people who created Dance Moms if that tells you everything.
Great, I'm Special Abilities, not Special Needs. I feel so much better,
I guess it means I don't need any assistance anymore, and can fly or something. That's fun
I think our “special ability” is making being there to be used by neurotypical people to make them feel good about themselves
@brookekelly Good for you. Others can't
@brookekelly you don't have to settle for scraps, though. There are more options than slurs vs. patronizing bullshit.
To be honest, "You should learn to brush things off and not get so offended like I have learned to do" is a really sad thing to hear, because I know the feeling. It's hard to break away from the idea (even the subconscious idea) that you need to win abled approval. And of course one way to do that is by being one of the "cool" disabled people who shrug it off when they hear bigotry or hurtful stuff, and pretend it doesn't bother them, and basically don't request any consideration or emotional labor, and try not to take up space as a human being in the world. It's easy in the short-term, but damaging in the long run. Besides, it's not cool to throw your fellow disabled people under the bus.
@@poppymiller4351 nobody said that
28:53 what does Sia mean by purity? It sounds like she’s saying that disabled people are pure but there is good and bad in everyone
I’m surprised the commentary channels didn’t cover this story.
Don't you know people who are disabled like us and autistic are sub humans we don't matter
Because commentary channels and society as a whole only cares about issues that have a good image. You can make LGBTQ and BIPOC folks look good. Nobody wants to talk about disabled people because they don't want to "say the wrong thing" or they obviously just don't care.