"While I was ruminating on that, I remembered a time in which I did, indeed, have fun. It was in December of 2006" Out of context that line is absolutely hilarious.
I just realized that TV and videos are basically just moving walls, except just moving motions... that really all life is, just looking at moving frames in time, and being apart of those frames until one day, the show ends. Holy f#ck that was weird
Ok. As a writer/artist who is working on a graphic novel, I love TH-cam channels like these. Because this guy isn't just being all "this sucks!" hell he's not even just pointing out flaws, he's giving proper constructive criticism and feedback about art. As an artist I never see issue with constructive criticism, because how the hell are you suppose to improve if you don't know what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right. He not only brings up animes that he considers bad, but he explains why he thinks they aren't good, then goes the extra mile by showing an example of an anime that did what he's talking about well. That way new artists/writers like me can watch his videos and learn the do's and don'ts of visual storytelling. Nothing is without flaws, everything has SOMETHING that's wrong with it. That's not a bad thing. That's just indicative of the fact that it was created by an imperfect human. And certain flaws are going to bother others more than they will other people; that's why there is such variety in media, because there is a great deal of variety in the audience. And since _he_ is an individual, his opinions are going to differ from yours. That doesn't mean his opinions are wrong, as no one's opinions can be (unless based on incorrect facts). And his videos are explaining his opinions. And before you get on my case: I did say channels originally, I look for common themes among them to learn the do's and don'ts.
"That doesn't mean his opinions are wrong, as no one's opinions can be (unless based on incorrect facts)." Then opinions can be wrong. It's not because there are exceptions that opinions cannot be wrong. And you have to separate opinion with objective facts, because some reviewers out there conflate both. Like Digibro. If he doesn't enjoy a piece of media, is it because it's bad or is it because it's not his preference? You have to make that difference.
@@Wyllowisp The evidence of what is wrong is presented for us to see everytime Digibro explains his reason in opinion. Any claim of him using wrong information doesn't feel justified because of this.
F M I agree, but with an asterisk. Look at his Shin-Sekai Yori video and then look at the comments. Just like data and statistics can be influenced by how they’re presented, so can evidence like Digibro uses, and he seems to have done so (even if not intentionally) in that video
As far as I'm concerned, the moment someone changes the topic of a discussion from the subject to the person, they have lost the argument. Comments like "Why can't you just enjoy something" is just a lazy ad hominem that is throw out when a person becomes defensive over their differences of opinion. It's intellectual laziness.
You don't have to be an "intellectual" to be capable of critical thinking. I never said people aren't allowed to enjoy a show just for the sake of enjoying it. They absolutely are. I'm talking about when people get confrontational and defensive simply because of a difference of opinion.
+Grey It is confrontational and defensive when someone argues against an analysis by basically saying "you're wrong because you're thinking too hard about this." Either respond with a counter-argument, or just ignore the analysis altogether and keep on enjoying what you enjoy.
+captian bert The weird thing is that I know plenty of actually intelligent girls who like watching that stuff and find it "relaxing". I honestly can't get through 5 minutes of it.
i dont think thats completely true like, anybody that i know personally that watches the kardashians are watching it because they enjoy taking the complete piss out of them. the appeal isnt so much that people like to watch a bunch of rich idiots seriously, but that they like to laugh at them because of how god damn stupid they are- theres a thought process to willingly watching garbage. granted i say this based on a limited number of people, and im sure theres people who are legit emotionally invested in people like the kardashians. though i like to pretend neither of the three shows you mentioned actually exist.
3:56 Imagine a 2 year old having keys dangled in his face and digibro's voice just coming out of his mouth saying "I've seen this shit before." It is for reasons like this that i watch this channel.
1. "Turn Your brain off" 2. "It is for children" 3. "It is about..." 4. "Not everything can be Shakespeare" 5. "The thing this is remaking/adapting was bad too" Those comments have basically given up arguing it is good and are instead arguing why it is okay to be bad.
I'll happily defend the right for me to enjoy mediocre or bad things, but at that point I've conceded that, yes, the thing we're talking about is bad but I enjoy it anyway.
The thing is though, whether they realise it or not, the people who post those kinds of things do think the show is actually good. Otherwise they wouldn't enjoy it enough to see it as worth defending. I really wish they'd just be straightforward when arguing their points instead of this bs
Mind-controlling mice, hitting a mine with a jet ski and nobody dying, the same thing with the observation deck taking a direct hit, absolutely no antagonist. I loved HSF at the beginning, but the plot didn't take any chances and went to logic-defying lengths to play it safe. It could have been so much better than it was.
No no You could read the last paragraph of my comment to understand what I think High School Fleet did But in short, high school fleet didn't TRY to prove its bullshit they never tried explaining how the school works or what were the motives behind that virus They knew these didn't make sense and accepted it just as the viewers were expected to, because that's not the point of the show, if it was the point of the show and the show didn't have other things to offer, then it'd become a problem It would have been a problem if the show TRIED making sense with it and acting all oh so deep, because then it's like they're treating you as if you were dumb enough to believe their excuses
I think we have been educated to expect anime to turn out brains on since the times of Macross, Gundam and then Evangelion. It's a blasphemy to ask somebody to turn their brains on to watch anime. It's like asking those shows to have lesser standards.
Everyone is getting all pissed just because Digibro is being critical. Are people just...NOT allowed to point out what they see as flaws in an anime? I've only watched a few of his videos, and he never seems condescending, or offensive to other people who may like the shows he is being critical of. He states his opinion in a mostly clear and open-minded manner. He even gives examples to help state his opinion. There is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws. After all, knowing what you DO like about an anime is easy. Talking about the flaws of an anime is much more interesting, cause if you don't, it's just mindless praise. Of course, nothing I say matters. People are still going to be pissed that he doesn't like your "precious" anime. This translates to being a critic of any kind really.
There is nothing wrong with pointing flaws, but apparently I'm an idiot who shouldn't have opinions for liking SAO for example. But the thing is I watch an anime I like it then I go to TH-cam I see a review and apparently it's 1/10 filled with plot holes etc. Then i see a supposedly a good anime said by some reviewer and well I go into it a bit annoyed because the anime I like is bad apparently and I end up finding a million plot holes from the "good anime", but apparently that anime is still good compared to the other one. Tbh though I hate all reviews etc. Oscar for example means a movie sucks pretty much. I do understand that some people like them. But if you want to find mistakes problems you are going to find mistakes and problems. It's your decision if you really want to hate the entire what ever you are watching just because you don't like some part of it.
How was that open minded when he isn't trying to take in other people's opinion. His egoistic nature just get the better of him. He only cares about what he feels, and thinks is right and acceptable. This is how he thinks, one person's opinion is better than those of 7 billion on earth. Most people of digibro's kind are like that. I have heard him arguing with someone before on the internet. take for instance, that erased topic one about the basement. And it took them 1 hour to get into a conclusion. Simply because there were alot of digression in them. He talks shit about how this anime is bad despite being similar to any other show that he likes. Basically, most of what he says are emotionally motivated. Not by logic. But he uses things that aren't really evidence to talk shit about those anime. Although some of what he says are pretty agreeable. But pretty much, most of what he says are as well, BS.
+Jerry Korpi Liking something is different from it being good. Hating something is different from it being bad. Character, plot, design, music, animation quality... there are many objective ways to judge something's quality, and we can all see those things. If you like something that is bad, that's okay. If you hate something that's good, that's also okay. Opinions are not arguments. But if you want to argue that something is good when it's not, or something is bad when it's not, then you're going to be met with opposition.
I like the fact that he said that she was completely out-of-place in the school play yet this is same play that has grade-school pupil starring in a high school play.
The response I've always had to this idiotic "turn off your brain" shit, is that...what, you're saying that the writing IS bad? It's so bad that you have to "turn your brain off" to enjoy it?
There's a difference between "thinking about something" and "trying to find the meaning of life". You can criticize something without picking apart every single frame of the entire animation. It's hard to have fun when there's so many glaring issues distracting you.
It all just comes down to a matter of perspective at the end of the day. I fall under the category of easily pleased so simply "turning my brain off" is as easy as sitting down for me otherwise when brain power is needed, i'll switch it on. Being biased plays a huge factor into whether you'll like a show too. I can't put into words how much I hate it when people say they dislike a show because it's "overrated" or "popular." Like how is that fair? I'm not here to say anything against what you've stated because I do agree with you. Just wanted to give you a perspective from someone with an opposite view.
Yeah I think what these people really mean is that they feel he's being overly critical. You can find flaws and errors in everything if you try hard enough and oftentimes people that don't see reasons why he disliked the show as big deals (likely because they don't care as much about that particular aspect of anime) may just come to the conclusion that he is criticizing things for the sake of it, not to compare and rate them relatively.
I don't agree with this turn off your brain as a critic myself. I won't criticize something unless that anime really disappointed me. Some critics fail because either the critic look at it too logically thinking the fiction world emphasis the real world. Once established said made up logic in a fiction, then you can tear it down with critiquing it in that area. Thus creating plot holes because it deny its made up logic in itself.
"Please enjoy entertainment as entertainment." "But...what if it's not entertaining to me?" "Don't have personal interests or standards, then. Like it like everyone else does. Or at least add a little snippet at the end so we all know you don't mind if other people like it because we're all weak at heart and can't handle it if someone doesn't like what we like or gives us permission to like it even if they don't. It's not like we have all these raving people in the comments ready to hound your ass if you're cynical about something. But we will have to tell you that you're wrong or you're too cynical if you decide to talk about it. Also, turn your brain off."
Maybe I missed something and seriously people please don't be too hard on me but isn't the fact that your're accepting that cute little girls are running a warship turning your brain off? Because trying to make sense of that is almost ludicrous.
Not necessarily. It is reasonable to consciously accept improbable premises for a story so long as they don't break suspension of disbelief and don't otherwise ruin the narrative. I think Digi would say that accepting the central conceit of High School Fleet is easy because it's not contradicted by anything else in the narrative and still allows for (and is consistent with) the humor, action, and narrative tension that make a series like that fun. Whereas the central conceit of Big Order, which revolves around strategy, is hard to accept because it's not consistent with the main characters' succeeding despite their repeated mistakes, which ruins any narrative tension by making their success unearned.
I believe that the reason its so fun, is because you can watch the show without being taken out of the fun due to problems with the scene. Any show can be fun, but whether or not its enjoyable and worth the time is up to the execution of the show.
Yes, I think you are doing an excellent job of dancing around the fact that the show is a carbon copy of girls and panzer except that it takes place on the ocean with boats and not with tanks on land. I can easily debunk your entire essay by saying that the fact myself AND ShadowEliteHD know that a handful of little GIRLS are operating a warship that takes about 30-50 people minimum is in essence BREAKING your suspension of disbelief. Quite honestly all Digibro had to say was "It's not my style", and move on. However, I'm about to shatter your illusion. Why? Because the whole point of him making this video was to get people like us talking about what we like and dislike. Please leave your cinematic/critic logic out of this...it wants no part in what comes next.
+Blake Candin Fair enough. To clarify I've watched neither of these shows; I'm just making a guess at what Digibro would say based on how he talked about these shows in this video.
I hate "turn your brain off" so fucking much. i'm pretty critical of games I play shows I watch and a couple of my friends very commonly tell me I'm just not doing it right.
ALJustice0 Well, some people just want more. I mean. I'm critical of games (more so now that I'm a game designer) because I've played some of the better ones that have been presented to me. From simple games that aren't supposed to be taken too seriously (portal, the Stanley parable) to epic adventures with layers of depth and complexity (skies of arcadia, shin megami tensei.) If something is going to try something I want them to do just that. I want them to try. I, as a member of the audience, get kinda offended if a game or show feels like the creators didn't give a shit. I'm a huge fan of shokugeki no soma, which has a very nonsensical premise. But had so much effort put into developing the world and the characters so that even if the plot can seem nonsensical at times, pure effort had been put in to helping the audience get engrossed in that world. Gurren lagan did this too. Then I watch shows like (I'm just gonna throw out an obvious one) sword art online. And so many things contradict and conflict with each other, or just don't make sense logistically that I just can't handle it. The whole story was created (to the writer's very admittance) very poorly and quickly. And you can feel that when you watch it. Now I'm going to keep playing games and watching anime because I love games and anime. I've been buying and experiencing them my whole life. And I'm gonna keep telling people when I feel that something should be avoided and your time would be better spent elsewhere. (Like the new suicide squad.)
ALJustice0 Well if it's good, then that's good. If it's not, I'll point it out. I feel like pointing out that I really liked "Sakamoto" which was a show with minimal plot and great presentation. I think you think I'm saying I need a plot, I need immersion, I need this I need that. I just think that if a show sets out to do something, they should try at it. Sakamoto set out to be a great comedy and it succeeded. I didn't go on the internet going "the story was non existent! Bla bla bla!" no. But I do feel like if a show sets out to not try, then it's an insult to their fans. If you set out to not try, it'll show. The animation will suck, the plot will be hard to follow, the characters will be hard to like. And, at that point, what's the audience's reason to stick around? They'd be putting in more effort than the show did if they kept watching.
it's weird to see a critic complain about people saying "Just turn your brain off" when my biggest problem with most critics in 2016 is that they refuse to turn their brains ON. Keep at it, man. Keep having strong opinions, keep backing them up with things you've only seen with your brain turned on. GG.
A lot of times I find that a movie that has done really really well with the critics just isn't something I enjoy. For example The Last Jedi got a 91/100 on Rotten Tomatoes but I can't personally score it above a 5/10, thankfully I'm not alone and the audience score is a 47/100.
I also appreciate you. But I am going to have to cast my vote for the Wilhelm and Thearesia couple. That was a dope ass love story that should have been expanded on more. I think. I just know I would have liked to have seen more.
I think the point is Heavy Object is about using tactics to outthink your enemy as the central theme. If you're going for realism then making stupid mistakes and dumb luck will conflict with the theme. Little girls on a warship is trying to be ridiculous and paces itself well.
It's not about logic, it's about the mechanisms of a world working as they should. Just because a show has magic, doesn't mean the main character should be able to conjure a solution to every problem.
"Oh? Somebody didn't enjoy the dumb show with cliché characters (I'm looking at you, comic relief pervert MC's best friend) and visuals and CGI that make me wanna gouge my eyes out that I enjoyed because I'm half braindead and will watch anything with enough boobs in it? Better bash him for not having fun!" -Almost every single person in the comment section
''Oh, somebody liked a show that I don't like and find dumb, better bash them all for no reason!'' -You I'm not defending them, just saying you're not better
Most people who get butthurt when their favourite shows are criticised are unable to appreciate when a show actually DOES hit the mark, when it DOES avoid plot holes or leaps in logic. Having a critical eye paves the way toward recognising something truly excellent. Turning your brain off means those creators worked as hard as they did for absolutely nothing. Imagine if Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick or Walt Disney told people to "turn their brain off" or "not be so critical." Oh wait, no, they wouldn't, because they were true visionaries who actually cared about their craft, and the results speak for themselves. There are works of art and entertainment out there that you can go over with a fine toothed comb, analyse it to insane depths, and still come out the other side considering it a masterpiece. In fact, it may even make you appreciate and enjoy it even more. I can definitely say that about certain cartoons I watched as a child; when I became an adult, I realised just how much effort went into them, noticed subtle little touches, and grew to love them even more. Without criticism, there would be no improvement. In a world where everyone "turned their brain off" every form of entertainment would go down the crapper. It's like some never ending joke... You tell someone you don't like something because it's not your cup of tea, and they embrace difference of opinion. You tell someone you don't like it because of specific reasons that you can back up with evidence and facts, compare it to other works of fiction that DO NOT make these mistakes, and they accuse you of being a snob, or not liking fun. What a bunch of butthurt children.
When I would use "turn your brain off" what I actually mean is "ignore certain principles/thoughts you have set in your head". You ignore things like: how did a teenager become god? cute 12 year old girls can't operate a ship why would you use card games to solve world problems? cartoons are for kids/children (the most popular one) In anime and the like I feel like there isn't a proper way of me expressing this sort of "turning your brain off", so I use that phrase even though it is not accurate. The best alternative is "have an open mind" (however this does sound like your a pompas jack ass and sounds like I'm insulting people I say this to)
I would actually like to second this despite disagreeing with the principle behind it. There's also a little more to it though, as it also has a matter of ignoring nitpicks even on a large scale to appreciate the tone they contribute to. My favorite example of this would actually be the later entries in the Fast and the Furious series. Heavy Object is similar, if less cultivated. Of course, it's still pretty plain even if you do just turn your brain off, but it's not any different from High School Fleet in that regard. So do have an open mind, because forcing your own idea of what's good or not on something to suit your needs is as pompous as it gets. To put it simply, not everyone is after some exquisite, high-brow entertainment. Sometimes people enjoy media just to relax and get mesmerized by the fun images on screen in the hour or two they have to enjoy it every day. Not everyone is a professional consumer of media. If they were, then supermarket wine and Bud Light wouldn't exist.
It sounds like the phrase you're looking for is "Suspend your disbelief". That's the impression I got while thinking about "Turn your brain off". In a way, it's like criticizing someone for having a lower threshold for disbelief suspension, or possibly just for having different triggers to end one's suspension of disbelief.
+sageoftruth Yeah, I think that's the best phrase for it. I'll have to remember that the next time I want to say "turn your brain off". I probably have a larger threshold to suspend my disbelief than other people so I can enjoy lots of what many people would consider terrible anime simply because of their premise (popular example: yu-gi-oh). So I end up using "turn your brain off" when I feel like people are criticising or judging something simply by looking at it on a surface level. I think however the amount of disbelief you are willing to suspend realise a lot on the enjoyment of many shows. So "suspension of disbelief" would be a perfect explanation why I like many shows that many people don't ps. I hate youtube's replying system (it suuuuucks)
People need to realize that it's not a hate comment when people give constructive criticism. I'll give you an example of a hate comment: "I didn't like this at all." While constructive criticism would be: "I didn't like this at all because of -insert reason here-"
Okay, sharing time. Madagascar. I liked the first two movies. I consider them popcorn flicks, I don't go in with really high hopes, but only that they will entertain me. I am well able to temper my "Suspension of disbelief" but it has limits. The first two movies amused me enough that I could point out the flawed logic here and there and still laugh at it as a whole. Madagascar 3. It went complete looney toons and pissed me off within the first five minutes because my "brain wouldn't stop working." I said my suspension had disbelief well tempered. I will believe that cartoon penguins can somehow pull off Mission Impossible shenanigans. But when you tell me that these animals STILL want to go to NY and "Go home" and somehow inexplicably SWIM to another continent to pick up the penguins because people liked them and somehow attract the attention of a completely batshit insane French officer who wants a lions' head on her mantle like a crazy Cruella De Ville but NOT FUNNY. Or a "Serious" plot about a circus animal who's afraid to go through a ring of fire because that somehow hurt him once (when he shows no evidence or scars of this) and yet another character can accordion off the side of a mountain after being smashed into it... I had no joy. No fun. It was painful to sit through. Don't get me started on the musical number. Yeah, even when I 'turn my brain off', it's not that I've stopped thinking, it's that I feel that there is something good enough about what I'm watching that it cancels out any individual or collective moments of stupid. This is part of why I enjoy One Piece and Dragon Ball. THey are ludicrous and endorse it enough that I have become invested in characters. They have flaws, lots of them, and some plotholes you can drive a mac truck through... but I like something more than I hate the parts that would otherwise throw me. The reason my brain couldn't process Madagascar 3 as funny was because it dropped the internal logic and rules of the first two movies. It became jangly keys and an unfunny Looney Toons wannabe in the process.
For my part, I think there must be a bell-curve of enjoyment for this. I like something that is extremely thought provoking and well thought out. I also like something that is so ludicrous and that just expects you to accept the unacceptable. And I have little tolerance in between. Like, I hated the first Madagascar. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out who it was supposed to be for. I thought the characters were obnoxious and that the jokes were poorly timed and executed. But, as the series went on, I found that I liked the movies more and more, culminating in the third one which I adored. But, I think it was the sudden disconnect from what had come before it that I enjoyed. And, to be fair, what I find fun, IS finding all of the plot holes and flaws and then laughing at them, and Madagascar 3 offered that in spades while Madagascar 1 was much more tame by having a more solid plot. I like to think that watching an MST3K of Madagascar 3 would be much more entertaining than watching one of the first movie.
Honestly, to me these types of complaints just sound like complete nitpicking. I watched the movie, and while I did notice some of those illogical things, I didn't notice very many, and wasn't bothered by any of them. Yeah its illogical, but I honestly don't see why that matters. I can never understand how people like DigiBro criticize even the smallest of errors in everything they watch. Wouldn't it be nice to just enjoy something and not complain about quite literally everything there possibly is to complain about?
I don't know, I get a certain amount of satisfaction not only noticing errors in things but also to know that others see them too, not just me. Some people can enjoy movies where the plot is secondary and the focus is on spectacle. That's fine. Some people can enjoy movies that focus too heavily on the plot at the cost of an engaging visual element. That's fine. Then some people, like me, who enjoy ripping something apart because of lazy writing or lazy direction. And that's fine too. There's no one right way to appreciate anything.
I feel like the answer to "do you hate fun?" is best put by talking about how there are things that are fun all the time and things that are fun when you are not really paying attention or are drunk. The former kind is stuff like Death Note, One Punch Man, Full Metal Alchemist, and anything Trigger, to use my current list of most fun shows, are fun to watch and re-watch. You can get a lot of enjoyment out of them if you pay a lot of attention or not. Stuff like Sword Art and Asterisk War can be fun to watch if you don't think about the stupid stuff, and it is easier to not think about such while intoxicated, but you won't get much from them on repeat viewing and they have glaring problems if you at all think about what is going on.
I believe that "Do you hate fun" is a bullshit question. Everyone has a different idea of fun, whether it be watching Berserk simply for the extremely detailed butchering and bloodshed or watching Lucky Star because Konata is adorable being a devout anime and manga otaku. "Fun" is a totally objective thing that will differ from person to person and shouldn't be forced on someone once they've said that your version of fun isn't their version of fun. "Do you hate fun" can also be construed as "I can't believe you don't like what I like" or "You're different from me, so you suck".
As someone who personally enjoys SAO's 1st season and dropped it half-way because better sh*t was coming out (probably a game or something...), I wholeheartedly agree.
Ala. In my opinion..for Sword Art Online..I quit on episode 4. I knew what kind of anime this was: Harem. Well, there is more genres for it, but I can't stand it..too much girls. I'm more into action, comedy, or horror. So I didn't really "like" Sword Art Online.
I finally clicked on it just so I could dislike it. I don't want this on my recommended videos, and every time it pops up, I usually click "Not Interested." Still keeps showing up, though.
You can enjoy something and still recognize the critical flaws in it. Just recognize that while those flaws exist, they don't carry the same weight for you as they do for other people.
Litteraly the most distracting and interesting part of this video, despite its quite accurate points I couldn't help but be distracted by Animal girls fighting darth vader? Why did no one tell me about this?
I get what you're saying, but I believe the criticism "can't you turn your brain off," is targeted better at critics that chose a single example of a flaw to ruin the story for them, or allow them to nitpick to the point that they dissect something they generally approve of just to show that they're are layers of bad qualities, and justify their ultimately negative criticism.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a critic doing that. If it bothers them, it bothers them--who are you to say that they're wrong to be bothered?
Well in the end, Critics are just ppl with Opinions, so if it bothers them then it bothers them no matter how big things are. heck sometimes, one thing can Ruin a show
Nitpicking generally means that they only tackle a single small issue with a series. Tackling a flaw of a series is fine, but once this becomes a nitpick it becomes annoying for the viewers/readers of the review as well. What about the other part of the series? Why is that not good? To put in an example of what you mentioned in the video, imagine if Heavy Object did have stunning visuals, amazing soundtrack, and maybe a slightly more cohesive plot, but still with the points that bothered you. If you still had rated Heavy object badly due to the points mentioned in the video, but mentioned nothing on the visuals, soundtrack, or anything else, that is when it becomes a problem. It undermines the good parts of a series because of a small thing that shouldn't have even dragged it down. That being said, pointing out small flaws does have a place in criticism, especially if the same flaw keeps happening and it stacks onto eachother, but once it becomes nitpicky it really devalues a criticism itself.
The appeal and enjoyment of Konosuba is very simple. Everything that goes into the execution is significantly less so. Thus is delivers high-quality dumb comedy.
pretty much. Bu also how much you like character. Like the example with phantom world, if you like that sonic girl you will have fun seeing her. If you don't like god-alike deus ex personam then you won't be having fun with that concert.
Ok, this video is great and all but was that a playboy bunny girl FUCKING FIGHTING DARTH VADER WITH A LIGHTSABER at 4:01 ? A source would also be appreciated too :P
I would argue that while JoJo and TTGL are mindless fun they also have truly interesting and likable charterers. To me one of the most important aspects of a mindless fun show is that are the characters fun and interesting enough that i would want to watch several episodes of them just dicking around and having crazy fun adventures.
Exactly. I don't need a character to have an elaborate backstory or relateability or anything. As long as they have a reason for being on screen and as long as I enjoy the hell out of them, they're perfectly fine in my book.
Your videos help me explain why I dropped many shows over the years when I couldn't explain to my anime watching friends why I dropped them. You help me a lot in my search for an anime that truly is a genuinely good anime and that helps me discover other decent anime that I can enjoy watching. I wanted to thank you for that because in this video's comment section I see a lot of people that are butthurt that you don't like the same shows that they do, and you don't deserve hate for that. Thank you Digibro for your critical view of anime, it is something the anime community needs, and you deserve the best. Keep up the good work.
People only say this defensively, when it's implied they have bad taste. There's nothing wrong with liking a dumb or low-quality show. And there's nothing wrong with having bad taste. You do you.
My problem with people saying I have bad taste is that I rarely agree with version of "good taste" since as Digi himself said, there's no such thing as objectively good.
What is supposed to the "good taste" anyways? A good taste of a concept where two people agree on which anime they think is amazing, thus agreeing to it that they have good taste.
I would say that is still in the realm of opinion. Because how would we measure this? We can't see how many hours they worked or what sort of procedures they used. And how can we be sure that effort will yield good results most of the time?
It's amazing how many critics can't wrap their head around the concept that other people have opinions too. A critic's work is no more above criticism than anyone else's.
+RandominituFTW this is the truth, if your a critic expect other people to be a critic about you, their opinion is no more important than the next persons
Aparently people not understand the diference between being critical and liking smart comedy. Not all comedy has to be inteligent, Gintama is just dumb sketches, and they are fun, you know what? because they are FUN and the person who did it was TRYING to be fun.
ima add what I said before to this It's okay that it's the kind of fun that doesn't make sense because they don't try to make sense since it's not the point of the show and isn't being treated as if it were, then it's not a problem it would be a problem if they didn't have another point to the show, or if they tried convincing you with excuses that their bullshit isn't bullshit
Celio Hogane idk I haven't watched Gintama But if the absurd logic is being treated as a joke and not actually trying to be serious with something that was never meant to be serious, then it's probably not bullshit
The way I see it, the more Anime you see, the more critical you become since you've already seen similar things. It also depends on how naturally happy you are. If you're already content with just existing, then it's not hard to enjoy a show when you're already feeling good. People like Digibro have likely seen a lot of anime/other media, and so are much more likely to find familiar familiar tropes and plots and so are less likely to enjoy something that's been exhausted for them.
First i hated digibro, but now i respect his opinions, and appreciate them. The problem of being active in a community like r/anime is that all opinions are one sided, and when others say something sucks, i basically feel bad enjoying that thing. Sorry if i wasted your time with this comment
You shouldn't feel bad for enjoying something. No matter what so-called critics say, it is all subjective, it's all an opinion. This is why I barely care about reviews, I don't need someone else to tell me what I think about a show, I can do that myself. I'll I care about is being entertained because that's the whole point of entertainment.
+007MrYang As far as i know, Digibro completely agrees that the quality of art is subjective and people shouldn't feel bad for enjoying something. His analysis videos are basicly explainations of his perspective on whatever he's talking about, he isn't trying to tell anyone what they should think about it. Now if you don't find analysis videos interesting, that's fine, but i think you're kinda missing their point. They are about understanding someone else's opinion, not necessarily changing your own.
How about you stop being a pushover and argue for what you believe is right? Confrontation and disagreement should not be avoided. If you're not wiling to fight what you believe is right or for something you like, can you even say that you like it? Are you even worthy of having it if you are embarrassed by it?
"turning off your brain" is just a buffer people use to avoid conceding that they enjoy the content. It's interchangeable with "I now this is trash, but so am I"
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann are great "Mindless fun" shows. They make up shitty rules on the fly but stick to them by making fun of the tropes in similiar shows. It's great. €: Jesus people, relax. I was mainly talking about making up shitty rules in Jojo (Hamon is basically plot convenience: The ability) I know TTGL makes sense as a whole and LOVE it for that, the over-the-top nature is just the mindless fun about it which I love aswell.
If you think that TTGL is just mindless fun and never stopped to notice a deep story and take on Epic's and the Hero's Journey, then i can't really take your opinion on what's mindless and whats not seriously.
Alas I think Gurren lagan did it too much, after watching it, I said I enjoyed it, but the more I pondered the show the less good I felt about it, it left a sour taste in my mouth
+Kerkelinker When did TTGL ''make up a shitty rule on the fly''? There is one rule, than beings with DNA can produce spiral energy, and the whole story is basicly built around that.
I have FUN watching your videos, you put words to things I have felt but never examined. Most of the time I was under the appreciation that it was weird to not be able to turn my brain off and enjoy "like others". But I'm still growing up and still learning to know myself (and you're helping). not all my friends speak english but I'll share it in the hopes it finds someone who needs this too :)
As a reviewer/critic, your mind is geared toward finding flaws, so you find flaws even when you're not looking for them and they bother you, whether you want them to or not. The problem people have is that most people aren't reviewers/critics, so they wouldn't think of those same things as being problems or even noteworthy, or even notice them in the first place. I for example would be more worried about the writing/dialogue than about whether a door was left open, or whether the witty banter was thematic and appropriate rather than whether they should logically be shouting one-liners at each-other while under fire. Quality over logic, interest over intelligence is what I'd prefer, but then, I'm not a critic.
I'd be interested to see his take on the repeating arc, is it still a good anime because the alien girl is the only one noting the passage of time or is it good because they made the same episode like 5 times and changed a few of the camera angles and outfits or is it just shit and boring?
I couldn't find out for the life of me why this bullshit comes up as recommended. I swear TH-cam wants me to commit suicide by recommending me to listen to this shit. He could start an anime version of rotten tomatoes. *Drops Mic*
+Oni Master nigga I cannot tell you enough how silly you look throwing the word weaboo around in an anime video comment section. That stupid shit aside you are wrong. Digibro has a strong if not the strongest bias I have ever seen towards Haruhi. Yeah, Myriad is probably one of the crappiest things to air in it's season but Haruhi is nowhere near as good as Digibro makes out to be, and the fact that he uses Yuki's "Mary Sue"-ness to excuse one of Myraid's many mistakes is only a testament to that.
So I showed my friend this video because I wanted to under why I practice criticism. He got so angry, and we ended up arguing. It upsets me how people degrade my medium (film) and tell me to stop thinking so much about a film. And then when I try to justify why they tell me I'm a buzz kill and I'm like no I just don't have fun watching shit. Digibro you're awesome and you gave me a new found love in the art of anime. I love your work!
Jesus christ, if someone told a joke to you I bet you would spend 10 minutes explaining why that joke wasn't perfect. I'ts probably been years since you've even cracked a smile.
But people aren't joking when they tell him to turn his brain off. So it's justified to explain why they shouldn't. It's not knocking them down a peg, it's showing why their attempt at knocking him down a peg is shit.
The best show would be one where my brain is on the whole time, where I already know what is going to happen, but yet still manages to keep me on the edge of my seat whilst providing endless philosophical and moral debate
then give examples, I feel it is also impossible to turn one's brain off to enjoy something. His preference of enjoyment isn't just boobs and flashy animations in which his brain can ignore everything else.
This video doesn't really acknowledge that different people can find different things fun, and that people can be more or less tolerant of things that would ruin "fun". Digi gave examples of moments that he did or didn't find fun, but those were entirely based on his preferences, not on some objective method of determining "fun".
I think this video is mainly saying why he can't have fun with certain shows. He is explaining his reasons because people always tell him to turn his brain off.
IamScarecrow it really seems that way. i'm not sure i'd agree with the idea that a disasociated kuudere character can kill the entertainment value of a show. But I don't have to, this is about "His" reasons for turning off of a show, and it would only really get to me if he attributes the subjective entertainment standards to a shows objective quality, which he sort of does with Heavy object when he linked his gripes to the shows market performance.
Ghetto Geek Digibro does the twisting. He completely misrepresented the saying just so he could take down the strawman and say "A much better question is. . ."
I get what you mean digi, having one or two out strange uncanny or illogical scenes may not ruin the experience but it's hard to lose your self looking at a scenery when the background noise sounds like heavy traffic. The human brain is the uncanny ability to pick out imperfections. That is just how we work. Asking people to lower their intelligence is not respectable at all.
Psycho-Pass is underrated, the expository dialogue fits with the characters and it has plenty of redeeming qualities to make up for any flaws. Psycho-Pass 2 on the other hand is shit.
Psycho-Pass underrated? lol every critic gives it a 4-5/5 just because its 1984 the anime. But it isn't. Psycho-Pass completely misses every question it should have asked and instead focuses on stupid half dilemmas. Psycho-Pass is overrated.
Yes, because you are an authority on which questions should be asked, and which dilemmas are "stupid half dilemmas", right? Granted, you may be an authority on these things when it comes to your own personal taste; but do not be so pretentious as to try to claim that this is some kind of universal standard that everyone should agree on.
I think the main thing that triggers people is not his criticism but his decision of considering a series horrible or fantastic, with no middle ground. I don't mind anymore since being human, we all have unique preferences.
Dude, Welcome to the NHK, Haruhi Suzumiya, and Lucky Star (The picture that you use) are all narratives on anime culture. I'm a little confused how you didn't get that from watching them? Basically anything can be a narrative really though. Narrative: "a spoken or written account of connected events; a story." (Google definition) and How dare you limit the wonderful medium of anime? I'm ashamed of you. (somewhat half joking)
Anime after 2005 has lost it's integrity. Every new series is a carbon copy of whatever was popular two seasons ago, and they're all trying to be either K-on, .Hack//, Code Geass or Fushigi Yuugi. Digital animation has only made the industry more accessible for less effort allowing studios to piece together their character designs from popularity polls.
Lol it’s so crazy that anger can even *be* an emotional response to someone having different tastes than yourself. I’m sorry you have to defend yourself like this dude! You rule!
Some people don't like to think when watching entertainment. They want to get lost in absurdity. Others have to think or be engage with a show to have fun.
dynasty warriors is my "Turn your brain off" series, you rarely need to think that hard to get through it, but there's something fun about blitzing through an entire army in a few minutes.
Generally, I think there are actually two people who make comments like this. Someone who thinks a critic should judge something by its own merits, as opposed tto handling something...(For instance, complainign that Azumanga Daioh doesn't have action.) THough, if they make it narrow enough... And someone who thinks, because a work is "Stupid fun"...it's immune to critcism.
You know...Heavy Object actually showcases the difference between how a critic sees a show, and how a non-critic... A criic, having a careful eye, NOTICES these minor details. So, by thatt definition "Turn your brain off" would consist of forgetting he minor plotholes, and just going with the flow.
Thank you for adressing this. I see a lot of salt went into the dislike button from those that prefer making this statement instead of bothering to engage into a critical discussion. That said, maintaning a certain ability of suspension of disbelief _is_ worth a lot if you don't want to end up as a grumpy cynic that stops having fun at the first sign of any small problem.
I think a challenge critics face is that of giving an evaluative judgement of the subject (in this case anime) of an experience. What your experience is depends heavily on your mindset/context within which you view it (including past experiences, mood at the time of viewing, positive/negative associations one might have with elements of the anime). When the context of one person doesn't coincide with that of another, a little more work has to be done to reach a mutual understanding, which, I think Digibro does pretty decently by explaining exactly why he dislikes/likes certain animes. "you're just cynical" is an easy cop out to having an actual conversation and potentially having your own opinion challenged.
Weiss But when you're making snarky corrections, it's better to wait and make sure that they aren't addressed in the video that you're snarking at, unless you want to look like an ass.
Digibros videos can be summed up by: Meaningful message about art making you see something from a different perspective top comment is: STFU YOUR A CRITIC WHO DISAGREES WITH MY PERSONAL TASTES WAAH the likes on top comment are always abyssal compared to the likes on the video other comments below completely agreeing with the video
This has to be the realest, most respectable anime critic TH-cam channel I've ever seen. I've been watching your videos back to back, and I'm always saying, "Yep, I agree. Yes. Exactly!" Regardless of the few times I disagree, I can still enjoy the video that disagreement is in! I wish other people could be like that. Anyway, I'm subbing no doubt!
Alienrun I think the anime is "Heavens Lost Prophecy" or something like that, and I dont remember the Japanes name lmao. *But* the one on the profile picture is the protagonist.... he is a He, yep, just ocasionally turns into a girl.
I think this sums up critics. From Ratatouille Anton Ego: "In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations, the new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new, an extraordinary meal from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the meal and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine cooking is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau’s famous motto: Anyone can cook. But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now cooking at Gusteau’s, who is, in this critic’s opinion, nothing less than the finest chef in France. I will be returning to Gusteau’s soon, hungry for more." But I do believe that there's more to being a critic then what this speech says but in general I think that the job of a critic in concept is easy tho the work itself maybe hard as well as the backlash one gets in the defense or attack of a piece of work whether it be fiction, technology, food, ect. But to hold critics up on a pedestal simply because they are a critic hurts what a critic should stand for. A critic should stand for not fame, fortune, or popularity but they should stand for giving the best information based on their individual tastes and expectations. ... I honestly don't know how to end this I guess critic on the idea of critics it's hard to voice one's opinion in a way that anyone can understand. Criticizing is easy Critiquing is hard.
"Either you need to turn your brain off, or you're an enemy of having fun." Like, you know. You're not allowed to say things like, "Anime creating companies need to do better and stop creating crap." Because the Japanese and anime otaku-tachi that these shows are geared towards would totally accept the crap without complaint.
I think it's meant more as "Can you suspend your disbelief EVEN MORE?". Some people can see something stupid and just suspend their disbelief to a point where they'll find it enjoyable. Take Suicide Squad, as a movie it's pretty dumb and poorly edited, but I was able to suspend my disbelief enough to just enjoy it as a fun super-hero movie. Some people only like to suspend their disbelief to a certain point, and that's just fine. Like you said with Heavy Object, you couldn't enjoy it since you couldn't suspend your disbelief over the fact that the main characters seemed to always have luck on their side despite the fact that the show was about strategy. I feel somewhat similar to Batman v Superman. On top of already being a boring movie with weird pacing, not very likable characters, and zero levity, I couldn't suspend my disbelief to make it fun for me since that would've just made it even more boring in my opinion. Like you said, if it worked for everything, we'd have no problem staring at walls XD.
I found a few episodes to be (Endless Eight, The last chronological episode, and probably a few others) but I really liked it. Plus, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya was worth getting through any parts of the show I didn't like.
CaramellNeko I like all the characters but Kyon is probably one of my favorite main characters of all time, so that's probably why. Did you watch the dub? It's much better.
I don't blame you, I binged watched it years ago and there were many things that was just "meh" or didn't stand out. It is kind of easy to forget the anime if you wasn't a huge fan of it. I still don't really understand why it was successful.
"While I was ruminating on that, I remembered a time in which I did, indeed, have fun. It was in December of 2006"
Out of context that line is absolutely hilarious.
ikr?
Why?
It makes it sound like he’s so grumpy that he hasn’t had fun in literally years.
Fun?! I remember fun. I HATED IT!
I heard that line and went immediately to the comments to see if anyone else found that as funny as me
"I do remember a time I had fun; it was in December of 2006"
A fucking decade ago: Why did that make me laugh so fucking hard 2:30
*They'd be perfectly entertained by staring at a F*CKING WALL!* - My favorite line from the video.
I just realized that TV and videos are basically just moving walls, except just moving motions... that really all life is, just looking at moving frames in time, and being apart of those frames until one day, the show ends. Holy f#ck that was weird
Skele-Spider - Actually, staring at a TV is staring at glass, and the same thing for staring at a phone/tablet.
in his head
screen = wall
You should try it sometime
~From an SAO fan
I'm able to do that. ADHD is a fucking nightmare when you are alone and tasked with something but when your are doing nothing it is a saving grace.
Ok. As a writer/artist who is working on a graphic novel, I love TH-cam channels like these. Because this guy isn't just being all "this sucks!" hell he's not even just pointing out flaws, he's giving proper constructive criticism and feedback about art. As an artist I never see issue with constructive criticism, because how the hell are you suppose to improve if you don't know what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right. He not only brings up animes that he considers bad, but he explains why he thinks they aren't good, then goes the extra mile by showing an example of an anime that did what he's talking about well. That way new artists/writers like me can watch his videos and learn the do's and don'ts of visual storytelling.
Nothing is without flaws, everything has SOMETHING that's wrong with it. That's not a bad thing. That's just indicative of the fact that it was created by an imperfect human. And certain flaws are going to bother others more than they will other people; that's why there is such variety in media, because there is a great deal of variety in the audience. And since _he_ is an individual, his opinions are going to differ from yours. That doesn't mean his opinions are wrong, as no one's opinions can be (unless based on incorrect facts). And his videos are explaining his opinions.
And before you get on my case: I did say channels originally, I look for common themes among them to learn the do's and don'ts.
I'm saving this comment...its a work of art regarding constructive critisism! ;)
"That doesn't mean his opinions are wrong, as no one's opinions can be (unless based on incorrect facts)."
Then opinions can be wrong. It's not because there are exceptions that opinions cannot be wrong. And you have to separate opinion with objective facts, because some reviewers out there conflate both. Like Digibro. If he doesn't enjoy a piece of media, is it because it's bad or is it because it's not his preference? You have to make that difference.
@@Wyllowisp
The evidence of what is wrong is presented for us to see everytime Digibro explains his reason in opinion. Any claim of him using wrong information doesn't feel justified because of this.
F M I agree, but with an asterisk. Look at his Shin-Sekai Yori video and then look at the comments. Just like data and statistics can be influenced by how they’re presented, so can evidence like Digibro uses, and he seems to have done so (even if not intentionally) in that video
As far as I'm concerned, the moment someone changes the topic of a discussion from the subject to the person, they have lost the argument. Comments like "Why can't you just enjoy something" is just a lazy ad hominem that is throw out when a person becomes defensive over their differences of opinion. It's intellectual laziness.
You don't have to be an "intellectual" to be capable of critical thinking.
I never said people aren't allowed to enjoy a show just for the sake of enjoying it. They absolutely are. I'm talking about when people get confrontational and defensive simply because of a difference of opinion.
just read this comment. you don't have to watch the video.
Whoa hey there. I think you're overthinking this. Try turning your brain off and just enjoying the comments. ;)
+Grey It is confrontational and defensive when someone argues against an analysis by basically saying "you're wrong because you're thinking too hard about this." Either respond with a counter-argument, or just ignore the analysis altogether and keep on enjoying what you enjoy.
I just kinda ignore it whenever anyone tries to use fun as any sort of useful tool in a discussion.
Sorry man but the popularity of the Kardashians, Jersey Shore, and Honey Boo Boo proves that TONS of people can just turn their brains off.
I think those count as "staring at a wall."
They don't have enough brain in the first place...
+Digibro
xD
+captian bert The weird thing is that I know plenty of actually intelligent girls who like watching that stuff and find it "relaxing". I honestly can't get through 5 minutes of it.
i dont think thats completely true like, anybody that i know personally that watches the kardashians are watching it because they enjoy taking the complete piss out of them. the appeal isnt so much that people like to watch a bunch of rich idiots seriously, but that they like to laugh at them because of how god damn stupid they are- theres a thought process to willingly watching garbage. granted i say this based on a limited number of people, and im sure theres people who are legit emotionally invested in people like the kardashians.
though i like to pretend neither of the three shows you mentioned actually exist.
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Imagine a 2 year old having keys dangled in his face and digibro's voice just coming out of his mouth saying "I've seen this shit before." It is for reasons like this that i watch this channel.
1. "Turn Your brain off"
2. "It is for children"
3. "It is about..."
4. "Not everything can be Shakespeare"
5. "The thing this is remaking/adapting was bad too"
Those comments have basically given up arguing it is good and are instead arguing why it is okay to be bad.
I'll happily defend the right for me to enjoy mediocre or bad things, but at that point I've conceded that, yes, the thing we're talking about is bad but I enjoy it anyway.
The thing is though, whether they realise it or not, the people who post those kinds of things do think the show is actually good. Otherwise they wouldn't enjoy it enough to see it as worth defending. I really wish they'd just be straightforward when arguing their points instead of this bs
aka why i cant process the things i consume and hype every new season as peak anime
People were just using these lines on me. XD
@@ddd-op5wythats not true, you do not have to think something is good to like it
"You don't get to have fun by sitting around on the couch and doing nothing."
Bitch you fucking watch me have fun doing absolutely nothing.
Maladaptive daydream powers, activate!
I learned to turn my brain off in the comment section because if I turn it on, it will implode
That needs to be on the BR cover: "High School Fleet doesn't have any bullshit." - Digibro
Mind-controlling mice, hitting a mine with a jet ski and nobody dying, the same thing with the observation deck taking a direct hit, absolutely no antagonist. I loved HSF at the beginning, but the plot didn't take any chances and went to logic-defying lengths to play it safe. It could have been so much better than it was.
That almost sounds like a complaint, somehow.
No no
You could read the last paragraph of my comment to understand what I think High School Fleet did
But in short, high school fleet didn't TRY to prove its bullshit
they never tried explaining how the school works or what were the motives behind that virus
They knew these didn't make sense and accepted it just as the viewers were expected to, because that's not the point of the show, if it was the point of the show and the show didn't have other things to offer, then it'd become a problem
It would have been a problem if the show TRIED making sense with it and acting all oh so deep, because then it's like they're treating you as if you were dumb enough to believe their excuses
What is "BR"? Did you mean "CR", as in crunchyroll?
think they meant BluRay. Though that's technically BD
I've always hated this claim. I want the exacted opposite effect for me while watching anime. Not having to "turn my brain off" to enjoy something.
I think we have been educated to expect anime to turn out brains on since the times of Macross, Gundam and then Evangelion. It's a blasphemy to ask somebody to turn their brains on to watch anime. It's like asking those shows to have lesser standards.
Description Untitled Call me extreme but its like they’re saying i need mental disabilities.
If YoU dIdn'T lIke It ThEn WhY dId YoU wAtCh It
wtf? you're wrong
@@matheusminto Wow, thanks for your opinion with no context. It doesn't even helps in anything.
Everyone is getting all pissed just because Digibro is being critical. Are people just...NOT allowed to point out what they see as flaws in an anime? I've only watched a few of his videos, and he never seems condescending, or offensive to other people who may like the shows he is being critical of. He states his opinion in a mostly clear and open-minded manner. He even gives examples to help state his opinion. There is nothing wrong with pointing out flaws. After all, knowing what you DO like about an anime is easy. Talking about the flaws of an anime is much more interesting, cause if you don't, it's just mindless praise. Of course, nothing I say matters. People are still going to be pissed that he doesn't like your "precious" anime.
This translates to being a critic of any kind really.
There is nothing wrong with pointing flaws, but apparently I'm an idiot who shouldn't have opinions for liking SAO for example. But the thing is I watch an anime I like it then I go to TH-cam I see a review and apparently it's 1/10 filled with plot holes etc. Then i see a supposedly a good anime said by some reviewer and well I go into it a bit annoyed because the anime I like is bad apparently and I end up finding a million plot holes from the "good anime", but apparently that anime is still good compared to the other one. Tbh though I hate all reviews etc. Oscar for example means a movie sucks pretty much. I do understand that some people like them. But if you want to find mistakes problems you are going to find mistakes and problems. It's your decision if you really want to hate the entire what ever you are watching just because you don't like some part of it.
Like what isn't there? What are you saying with that? And what are we supposed to check at the door ?
How was that open minded when he isn't trying to take in other people's opinion. His egoistic nature just get the better of him. He only cares about what he feels, and thinks is right and acceptable. This is how he thinks, one person's opinion is better than those of 7 billion on earth. Most people of digibro's kind are like that. I have heard him arguing with someone before on the internet. take for instance, that erased topic one about the basement. And it took them 1 hour to get into a conclusion. Simply because there were alot of digression in them. He talks shit about how this anime is bad despite being similar to any other show that he likes. Basically, most of what he says are emotionally motivated. Not by logic. But he uses things that aren't really evidence to talk shit about those anime. Although some of what he says are pretty agreeable. But pretty much, most of what he says are as well, BS.
+Jerry Korpi Liking something is different from it being good. Hating something is different from it being bad. Character, plot, design, music, animation quality... there are many objective ways to judge something's quality, and we can all see those things. If you like something that is bad, that's okay. If you hate something that's good, that's also okay. Opinions are not arguments. But if you want to argue that something is good when it's not, or something is bad when it's not, then you're going to be met with opposition.
Chameleonred5 That is probably, like seriously, the best explanation I've ever heard about opinions.
"Turn your brain off" usually translates to "I don't understand your opinion and wish that you had my opinion instead!"
"she never did anything cool"
-shows scene of said character doing a barrelroll and firing a lazer out of her mouth.
:?
I like the fact that he said that she was completely out-of-place in the school play yet this is same play that has grade-school pupil starring in a high school play.
I think it takes more than that to be "cool"
fuk. Does that mean smoking cigarettes at the age of 12 isnt cool anymore? :(
Oh man, she rolled and went "aaah" at something, without a trace of emotion put into it.
She wasn't really supposed to put emotion into it. She's that type of character.
Okay, TH-cam. I watched this video.
Same. And I'm pretty insulted that it did recommend this to me.
Let’s go
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The response I've always had to this idiotic "turn off your brain" shit, is that...what, you're saying that the writing IS bad? It's so bad that you have to "turn your brain off" to enjoy it?
There's a difference between "thinking about something" and "trying to find the meaning of life". You can criticize something without picking apart every single frame of the entire animation.
It's hard to have fun when there's so many glaring issues distracting you.
It all just comes down to a matter of perspective at the end of the day. I fall under the category of easily pleased so simply "turning my brain off" is as easy as sitting down for me otherwise when brain power is needed, i'll switch it on. Being biased plays a huge factor into whether you'll like a show too. I can't put into words how much I hate it when people say they dislike a show because it's "overrated" or "popular." Like how is that fair? I'm not here to say anything against what you've stated because I do agree with you. Just wanted to give you a perspective from someone with an opposite view.
Yeah I think what these people really mean is that they feel he's being overly critical. You can find flaws and errors in everything if you try hard enough and oftentimes people that don't see reasons why he disliked the show as big deals (likely because they don't care as much about that particular aspect of anime) may just come to the conclusion that he is criticizing things for the sake of it, not to compare and rate them relatively.
I don't agree with this turn off your brain as a critic myself. I won't criticize something unless that anime really disappointed me. Some critics fail because either the critic look at it too logically thinking the fiction world emphasis the real world. Once established said made up logic in a fiction, then you can tear it down with critiquing it in that area. Thus creating plot holes because it deny its made up logic in itself.
Edgy as fuck. Allow me to steal your comeback for whenever I'm asked that :D
heavy plot armour for heavy object
somehow I feel that fun and hate contradicts each other
No shit
opinions in 2016,sigh* this generation of teenage is so spoilt...
I thought the plot armor of heavy object was the fun part about it. Soldiers bitching while in the middle of heavy fire; why the fuck not.
Yakasuki
"Please enjoy entertainment as entertainment."
"But...what if it's not entertaining to me?"
"Don't have personal interests or standards, then. Like it like everyone else does. Or at least add a little snippet at the end so we all know you don't mind if other people like it because we're all weak at heart and can't handle it if someone doesn't like what we like or gives us permission to like it even if they don't. It's not like we have all these raving people in the comments ready to hound your ass if you're cynical about something. But we will have to tell you that you're wrong or you're too cynical if you decide to talk about it.
Also, turn your brain off."
Or you know, just watch something else.
Wissenschaft Oh wow, really?
Absolutely destroyed Digibro how will he ever recover ??
For me it's I'll understand that you don't like what I like, until you insult me or anyone else for liking it.
"But..."
"Don't sass me, you have to think to do that."
“Turn your brain off” is like saying “just forget everything and don’t have an opinion”
Maybe I missed something and seriously people please don't be too hard on me but isn't the fact that your're accepting that cute little girls are running a warship turning your brain off? Because trying to make sense of that is almost ludicrous.
Not necessarily. It is reasonable to consciously accept improbable premises for a story so long as they don't break suspension of disbelief and don't otherwise ruin the narrative. I think Digi would say that accepting the central conceit of High School Fleet is easy because it's not contradicted by anything else in the narrative and still allows for (and is consistent with) the humor, action, and narrative tension that make a series like that fun. Whereas the central conceit of Big Order, which revolves around strategy, is hard to accept because it's not consistent with the main characters' succeeding despite their repeated mistakes, which ruins any narrative tension by making their success unearned.
I believe that the reason its so fun, is because you can watch the show without being taken out of the fun due to problems with the scene. Any show can be fun, but whether or not its enjoyable and worth the time is up to the execution of the show.
Yes, I think you are doing an excellent job of dancing around the fact that the show is a carbon copy of girls and panzer except that it takes place on the ocean with boats and not with tanks on land. I can easily debunk your entire essay by saying that the fact myself AND ShadowEliteHD know that a handful of little GIRLS are operating a warship that takes about 30-50 people minimum is in essence BREAKING your suspension of disbelief. Quite honestly all Digibro had to say was "It's not my style", and move on. However, I'm about to shatter your illusion. Why? Because the whole point of him making this video was to get people like us talking about what we like and dislike. Please leave your cinematic/critic logic out of this...it wants no part in what comes next.
+Blake Candin Fair enough. To clarify I've watched neither of these shows; I'm just making a guess at what Digibro would say based on how he talked about these shows in this video.
+ShadowEliteHD
Hypocrisy is not uncommon with critics.
I hate "turn your brain off" so fucking much. i'm pretty critical of games I play shows I watch and a couple of my friends very commonly tell me I'm just not doing it right.
ALJustice0 Clearly they are right? why is it so clear?
ALJustice0 In what way? Am I to assume you're against digibro in that "you just gotta turn your brain off" is a valid argument for quality of fiction?
ALJustice0 Well, some people just want more. I mean. I'm critical of games (more so now that I'm a game designer) because I've played some of the better ones that have been presented to me. From simple games that aren't supposed to be taken too seriously (portal, the Stanley parable) to epic adventures with layers of depth and complexity (skies of arcadia, shin megami tensei.) If something is going to try something I want them to do just that. I want them to try.
I, as a member of the audience, get kinda offended if a game or show feels like the creators didn't give a shit. I'm a huge fan of shokugeki no soma, which has a very nonsensical premise. But had so much effort put into developing the world and the characters so that even if the plot can seem nonsensical at times, pure effort had been put in to helping the audience get engrossed in that world.
Gurren lagan did this too. Then I watch shows like (I'm just gonna throw out an obvious one) sword art online. And so many things contradict and conflict with each other, or just don't make sense logistically that I just can't handle it. The whole story was created (to the writer's very admittance) very poorly and quickly. And you can feel that when you watch it.
Now I'm going to keep playing games and watching anime because I love games and anime. I've been buying and experiencing them my whole life. And I'm gonna keep telling people when I feel that something should be avoided and your time would be better spent elsewhere.
(Like the new suicide squad.)
ALJustice0 Well if it's good, then that's good. If it's not, I'll point it out. I feel like pointing out that I really liked "Sakamoto" which was a show with minimal plot and great presentation.
I think you think I'm saying I need a plot, I need immersion, I need this I need that. I just think that if a show sets out to do something, they should try at it. Sakamoto set out to be a great comedy and it succeeded. I didn't go on the internet going "the story was non existent! Bla bla bla!" no. But I do feel like if a show sets out to not try, then it's an insult to their fans.
If you set out to not try, it'll show. The animation will suck, the plot will be hard to follow, the characters will be hard to like. And, at that point, what's the audience's reason to stick around? They'd be putting in more effort than the show did if they kept watching.
Um... Are you having an argument with yourself...?
It's a destroyer, not a battleship! Well, for the main cast at least. Destroyers and battleships are both different types of warships.
Somehow I knew a comment like this was gonna happen as soon as I typed "battleship" into the script lol
Damn you Digibro!
if you hadn't said it I would have.
It's obviously a Aircraft Carrier
After doing 3 searches and using 1 source that isnt wikipedia, the difference between battleships is how big their guns are.
it's weird to see a critic complain about people saying "Just turn your brain off" when my biggest problem with most critics in 2016 is that they refuse to turn their brains ON.
Keep at it, man. Keep having strong opinions, keep backing them up with things you've only seen with your brain turned on. GG.
A lot of times I find that a movie that has done really really well with the critics just isn't something I enjoy. For example The Last Jedi got a 91/100 on Rotten Tomatoes but I can't personally score it above a 5/10, thankfully I'm not alone and the audience score is a 47/100.
"Fun has to be earned" My lack of moving my body begs to differ.
True. Also, I love your username LOL
lol
Congratulations. You earned a laugh from me.
This comments section is officially awesome.
I also appreciate you. But I am going to have to cast my vote for the Wilhelm and Thearesia couple. That was a dope ass love story that should have been expanded on more. I think. I just know I would have liked to have seen more.
All the problems you had with Heavy Object, I had just looking at girl commanding a WWII destroyer, not a battleship.
Yeah if you use realism as a standard for fiction, most works fall apart very easily.
I think the point is Heavy Object is about using tactics to outthink your enemy as the central theme. If you're going for realism then making stupid mistakes and dumb luck will conflict with the theme. Little girls on a warship is trying to be ridiculous and paces itself well.
It's not about logic, it's about the mechanisms of a world working as they should. Just because a show has magic, doesn't mean the main character should be able to conjure a solution to every problem.
actually if you follow heavy object close enough its not about tactics at all, its just about two guys who are stuck in deep shit and complain alot.
They were pulling a cruiser, I think. There was a destroyer in one of those shots though. I couldn't tell who was on what, so what do I know?
"Oh? Somebody didn't enjoy the dumb show with cliché characters (I'm looking at you, comic relief pervert MC's best friend) and visuals and CGI that make me wanna gouge my eyes out that I enjoyed because I'm half braindead and will watch anything with enough boobs in it? Better bash him for not having fun!"
-Almost every single person in the comment section
You Good sir have made the most accurate description of this comment section.
The industry does not lend itself to anime thats makes people think. Stuff that challenged Japanese values or certain genres have gotten shit sales
''Oh, somebody liked a show that I don't like and find dumb, better bash them all for no reason!''
-You
I'm not defending them, just saying you're not better
@Derek: While ironically being review and fan darlings after the fact.
Welcome to the NHK, for instance.
That depended on more than just the shows' contents. Just take Kill la Kill for example.
Most people who get butthurt when their favourite shows are criticised are unable to appreciate when a show actually DOES hit the mark, when it DOES avoid plot holes or leaps in logic. Having a critical eye paves the way toward recognising something truly excellent. Turning your brain off means those creators worked as hard as they did for absolutely nothing. Imagine if Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick or Walt Disney told people to "turn their brain off" or "not be so critical." Oh wait, no, they wouldn't, because they were true visionaries who actually cared about their craft, and the results speak for themselves.
There are works of art and entertainment out there that you can go over with a fine toothed comb, analyse it to insane depths, and still come out the other side considering it a masterpiece. In fact, it may even make you appreciate and enjoy it even more. I can definitely say that about certain cartoons I watched as a child; when I became an adult, I realised just how much effort went into them, noticed subtle little touches, and grew to love them even more.
Without criticism, there would be no improvement. In a world where everyone "turned their brain off" every form of entertainment would go down the crapper.
It's like some never ending joke... You tell someone you don't like something because it's not your cup of tea, and they embrace difference of opinion. You tell someone you don't like it because of specific reasons that you can back up with evidence and facts, compare it to other works of fiction that DO NOT make these mistakes, and they accuse you of being a snob, or not liking fun. What a bunch of butthurt children.
When I would use "turn your brain off" what I actually mean is "ignore certain principles/thoughts you have set in your head".
You ignore things like:
how did a teenager become god?
cute 12 year old girls can't operate a ship
why would you use card games to solve world problems?
cartoons are for kids/children (the most popular one)
In anime and the like I feel like there isn't a proper way of me expressing this sort of "turning your brain off", so I use that phrase even though it is not accurate.
The best alternative is "have an open mind" (however this does sound like your a pompas jack ass and sounds like I'm insulting people I say this to)
I would actually like to second this despite disagreeing with the principle behind it. There's also a little more to it though, as it also has a matter of ignoring nitpicks even on a large scale to appreciate the tone they contribute to. My favorite example of this would actually be the later entries in the Fast and the Furious series. Heavy Object is similar, if less cultivated. Of course, it's still pretty plain even if you do just turn your brain off, but it's not any different from High School Fleet in that regard. So do have an open mind, because forcing your own idea of what's good or not on something to suit your needs is as pompous as it gets. To put it simply, not everyone is after some exquisite, high-brow entertainment. Sometimes people enjoy media just to relax and get mesmerized by the fun images on screen in the hour or two they have to enjoy it every day. Not everyone is a professional consumer of media. If they were, then supermarket wine and Bud Light wouldn't exist.
It sounds like the phrase you're looking for is "Suspend your disbelief". That's the impression I got while thinking about "Turn your brain off". In a way, it's like criticizing someone for having a lower threshold for disbelief suspension, or possibly just for having different triggers to end one's suspension of disbelief.
"A teenager can't be god,"
Yet one of the most critically praised anime is Neon Genesis Evangelion.
+sageoftruth Yeah, I think that's the best phrase for it.
I'll have to remember that the next time I want to say "turn your brain off".
I probably have a larger threshold to suspend my disbelief than other people so I can enjoy lots of what many people would consider terrible anime simply because of their premise (popular example: yu-gi-oh).
So I end up using "turn your brain off" when I feel like people are criticising or judging something simply by looking at it on a surface level.
I think however the amount of disbelief you are willing to suspend realise a lot on the enjoyment of many shows.
So "suspension of disbelief" would be a perfect explanation why I like many shows that many people don't
ps. I hate youtube's replying system (it suuuuucks)
sageoftruth the term secondary belief exists for a reason
Digibro hasn't had fun since haruhi came out.
that's funny I haven't had fun since I started trying to watch Haruhi
+ZeroHazard I haven't had fun since I last horribly misquoted someone
Headcrabgordan Nobody lets you live that shit down... ever
+ZeroHazard if digibro actually cares I'll delete my comment
That practically came out this year. Besides that, he also had fun with kabaneri. Another recent show.
People need to realize that it's not a hate comment when people give constructive criticism. I'll give you an example of a hate comment: "I didn't like this at all." While constructive criticism would be: "I didn't like this at all because of -insert reason here-"
In the end, one actually helps the person who is being criticized. (It's constructive criticism)
constructive hate?
He probably could get more views, if he toned down his use of "colorful language" in his whole video.
A person can still hate something and have a reason that's constructive.
Yeah, but the statement would stop being a hate comment and instead be constructive criticism.
I get triggered when people say Turn your brain off for Gurren Lagann
AbsoluteKiNg92 I didn't and I still really enjoyed it.
OMG that is REALLY annoying! The show has a lot of depth to it! If your not paying attention your missing out! lol
And people who say the more story driven parts of the series are somehow "boring." Those were tense as shit.
Okay, sharing time. Madagascar. I liked the first two movies. I consider them popcorn flicks, I don't go in with really high hopes, but only that they will entertain me. I am well able to temper my "Suspension of disbelief" but it has limits. The first two movies amused me enough that I could point out the flawed logic here and there and still laugh at it as a whole.
Madagascar 3. It went complete looney toons and pissed me off within the first five minutes because my "brain wouldn't stop working." I said my suspension had disbelief well tempered. I will believe that cartoon penguins can somehow pull off Mission Impossible shenanigans. But when you tell me that these animals STILL want to go to NY and "Go home" and somehow inexplicably SWIM to another continent to pick up the penguins because people liked them and somehow attract the attention of a completely batshit insane French officer who wants a lions' head on her mantle like a crazy Cruella De Ville but NOT FUNNY. Or a "Serious" plot about a circus animal who's afraid to go through a ring of fire because that somehow hurt him once (when he shows no evidence or scars of this) and yet another character can accordion off the side of a mountain after being smashed into it... I had no joy. No fun. It was painful to sit through. Don't get me started on the musical number.
Yeah, even when I 'turn my brain off', it's not that I've stopped thinking, it's that I feel that there is something good enough about what I'm watching that it cancels out any individual or collective moments of stupid. This is part of why I enjoy One Piece and Dragon Ball. THey are ludicrous and endorse it enough that I have become invested in characters. They have flaws, lots of them, and some plotholes you can drive a mac truck through... but I like something more than I hate the parts that would otherwise throw me.
The reason my brain couldn't process Madagascar 3 as funny was because it dropped the internal logic and rules of the first two movies. It became jangly keys and an unfunny Looney Toons wannabe in the process.
For my part, I think there must be a bell-curve of enjoyment for this. I like something that is extremely thought provoking and well thought out. I also like something that is so ludicrous and that just expects you to accept the unacceptable. And I have little tolerance in between.
Like, I hated the first Madagascar. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out who it was supposed to be for. I thought the characters were obnoxious and that the jokes were poorly timed and executed. But, as the series went on, I found that I liked the movies more and more, culminating in the third one which I adored. But, I think it was the sudden disconnect from what had come before it that I enjoyed. And, to be fair, what I find fun, IS finding all of the plot holes and flaws and then laughing at them, and Madagascar 3 offered that in spades while Madagascar 1 was much more tame by having a more solid plot.
I like to think that watching an MST3K of Madagascar 3 would be much more entertaining than watching one of the first movie.
Honestly, to me these types of complaints just sound like complete nitpicking.
I watched the movie, and while I did notice some of those illogical things, I didn't notice very many, and wasn't bothered by any of them.
Yeah its illogical, but I honestly don't see why that matters. I can never understand how people like DigiBro criticize even the smallest of errors in everything they watch. Wouldn't it be nice to just enjoy something and not complain about quite literally everything there possibly is to complain about?
I don't know, I get a certain amount of satisfaction not only noticing errors in things but also to know that others see them too, not just me. Some people can enjoy movies where the plot is secondary and the focus is on spectacle. That's fine. Some people can enjoy movies that focus too heavily on the plot at the cost of an engaging visual element. That's fine.
Then some people, like me, who enjoy ripping something apart because of lazy writing or lazy direction. And that's fine too. There's no one right way to appreciate anything.
I feel like the answer to "do you hate fun?" is best put by talking about how there are things that are fun all the time and things that are fun when you are not really paying attention or are drunk.
The former kind is stuff like Death Note, One Punch Man, Full Metal Alchemist, and anything Trigger, to use my current list of most fun shows, are fun to watch and re-watch. You can get a lot of enjoyment out of them if you pay a lot of attention or not.
Stuff like Sword Art and Asterisk War can be fun to watch if you don't think about the stupid stuff, and it is easier to not think about such while intoxicated, but you won't get much from them on repeat viewing and they have glaring problems if you at all think about what is going on.
I agree! Some people can tune stuff out, or ignore certain problems in a show and still have fun with it. Others really can't.
I believe that "Do you hate fun" is a bullshit question. Everyone has a different idea of fun, whether it be watching Berserk simply for the extremely detailed butchering and bloodshed or watching Lucky Star because Konata is adorable being a devout anime and manga otaku.
"Fun" is a totally objective thing that will differ from person to person and shouldn't be forced on someone once they've said that your version of fun isn't their version of fun.
"Do you hate fun" can also be construed as "I can't believe you don't like what I like" or "You're different from me, so you suck".
Sporadicus Subjective... the word you were looking for is subjective.
As someone who personally enjoys SAO's 1st season and dropped it half-way because better sh*t was coming out (probably a game or something...), I wholeheartedly agree.
Ala. In my opinion..for Sword Art Online..I quit on episode 4. I knew what kind of anime this was: Harem. Well, there is more genres for it, but I can't stand it..too much girls. I'm more into action, comedy, or horror. So I didn't really "like" Sword Art Online.
why has this been in my recommended videos for like a month
This channel has a habit of doing that. Kind of like Watchmojo, Smosh, trash in general.
"Hey, click on me, Do it, I know you're watching me......Come on, just touch me"
That's what it's fucking doing...
I finally clicked on it just so I could dislike it. I don't want this on my recommended videos, and every time it pops up, I usually click "Not Interested." Still keeps showing up, though.
There is a 'not interested'?
Tecnophobe On your main page, just hover over the video, there should be three vertical dots.
You can enjoy something and still recognize the critical flaws in it. Just recognize that while those flaws exist, they don't carry the same weight for you as they do for other people.
please someone tell me what anime is got the bunny girl fighting darth vader
Daicon IV opening.
***** ty m8
Litteraly the most distracting and interesting part of this video, despite its quite accurate points I couldn't help but be distracted by Animal girls fighting darth vader? Why did no one tell me about this?
I get what you're saying, but I believe the criticism "can't you turn your brain off," is targeted better at critics that chose a single example of a flaw to ruin the story for them, or allow them to nitpick to the point that they dissect something they generally approve of just to show that they're are layers of bad qualities, and justify their ultimately negative criticism.
I don't think there's anything wrong with a critic doing that. If it bothers them, it bothers them--who are you to say that they're wrong to be bothered?
That's true, but it certainly makes their critique less useful, insightful or interesting in general.
+Digibro because Digi, you are saying stuff they don't like. So that means that there is something wrong with how you do things.
Well in the end, Critics are just ppl with Opinions, so if it bothers them then it bothers them no matter how big things are.
heck sometimes, one thing can Ruin a show
Nitpicking generally means that they only tackle a single small issue with a series. Tackling a flaw of a series is fine, but once this becomes a nitpick it becomes annoying for the viewers/readers of the review as well. What about the other part of the series? Why is that not good?
To put in an example of what you mentioned in the video, imagine if Heavy Object did have stunning visuals, amazing soundtrack, and maybe a slightly more cohesive plot, but still with the points that bothered you. If you still had rated Heavy object badly due to the points mentioned in the video, but mentioned nothing on the visuals, soundtrack, or anything else, that is when it becomes a problem. It undermines the good parts of a series because of a small thing that shouldn't have even dragged it down.
That being said, pointing out small flaws does have a place in criticism, especially if the same flaw keeps happening and it stacks onto eachother, but once it becomes nitpicky it really devalues a criticism itself.
Konosuba is a anime I love just out of pure entertainment
We're friends now.
Konosuba is not a mindless anime, they are shit persons and they act like shit, thats the fun part.
Now that's a show that's just mindless shenanigans that's fun to watch
Well KonoSuba is one of those anime that do try... And they succeed amazingly
The appeal and enjoyment of Konosuba is very simple. Everything that goes into the execution is significantly less so. Thus is delivers high-quality dumb comedy.
It all boils down to the boundary of different people's willing suspension of disbelief, honestly.
No.
pretty much. Bu also how much you like character. Like the example with phantom world, if you like that sonic girl you will have fun seeing her. If you don't like god-alike deus ex personam then you won't be having fun with that concert.
how can you enjoy anything that is empty and inconsistent all the time. If something has organiced chaos it is consistent.
nyanfish It also boils down of each one interpretation of "turn your brain off"
For me, it's all about what you said
Does your ability to spell count as 'organised chaos'?
Ok, this video is great and all but was that a playboy bunny girl FUCKING FIGHTING DARTH VADER WITH A LIGHTSABER at 4:01 ?
A source would also be appreciated too :P
Daicon IV opening
***** Thx
How the fuck did they not get sued for that?
I would argue that while JoJo and TTGL are mindless fun they also have truly interesting and likable charterers. To me one of the most important aspects of a mindless fun show is that are the characters fun and interesting enough that i would want to watch several episodes of them just dicking around and having crazy fun adventures.
Exactly. I don't need a character to have an elaborate backstory or relateability or anything. As long as they have a reason for being on screen and as long as I enjoy the hell out of them, they're perfectly fine in my book.
Yes. If something wants to be mindless fun it need to be fun first.
JoJo is one of the funnest anime i have ever watched
Wouldn't say TTGL is "mindless".
Honestly neither is JoJo
instructions not clear, turned my brain off
Instructions unclear, turned my brain on. I see the fabric of the universe now. Everything makes sense.
who needs a brain
same tbh
Your videos help me explain why I dropped many shows over the years when I couldn't explain to my anime watching friends why I dropped them. You help me a lot in my search for an anime that truly is a genuinely good anime and that helps me discover other decent anime that I can enjoy watching. I wanted to thank you for that because in this video's comment section I see a lot of people that are butthurt that you don't like the same shows that they do, and you don't deserve hate for that. Thank you Digibro for your critical view of anime, it is something the anime community needs, and you deserve the best. Keep up the good work.
Great video. I've been waiting for someone to just make a video on this topic. What is the clip from 8:45 from?
The Rolling Girls ep 1
Thank you, please keep doing what you're doing.
Look up DXfans review of Mirai Nikki.
+Kyuubi bomb That's exactly what I was about to say.
Yep. Was a good review.
People only say this defensively, when it's implied they have bad taste. There's nothing wrong with liking a dumb or low-quality show. And there's nothing wrong with having bad taste. You do you.
My problem with people saying I have bad taste is that I rarely agree with version of "good taste" since as Digi himself said, there's no such thing as objectively good.
What is supposed to the "good taste" anyways?
A good taste of a concept where two people agree on which anime they think is amazing, thus agreeing to it that they have good taste.
good taste, and bad taste is completely subjective. yet we all can almost completely agree when something has little to no effort put into.
I would say that is still in the realm of opinion. Because how would we measure this? We can't see how many hours they worked or what sort of procedures they used. And how can we be sure that effort will yield good results most of the time?
stick some lolis in the show and digibro will definetly love it
lmao
Oi Digi, Check out this anime I found called "Mitsudomoe"
It seems like it
True
dude someone say lolis?
I love this video so much, thanks Digibro for existing
So many people unable to comprehend the concept of opinions.
True though.
But "Haters gonna hate," think whatever you want, same as freedom of speech---freedom of opinion.
It's amazing how many critics can't wrap their head around the concept that other people have opinions too. A critic's work is no more above criticism than anyone else's.
+RandominituFTW this is the truth, if your a critic expect other people to be a critic about you, their opinion is no more important than the next persons
Opinions aren't arguments. Arguments aren't opinions. Liking something doesn't make it good. Hating something doesn't make it bad.
Aparently people not understand the diference between being critical and liking smart comedy.
Not all comedy has to be inteligent, Gintama is just dumb sketches, and they are fun, you know what? because they are FUN and the person who did it was TRYING to be fun.
ima add what I said before to this
It's okay that it's the kind of fun that doesn't make sense because they don't try to make sense
since it's not the point of the show and isn't being treated as if it were, then it's not a problem
it would be a problem if they didn't have another point to the show, or if they tried convincing you with excuses that their bullshit isn't bullshit
Eyal Oged But gintama makes sense, is comedy with logic, is absurd logic, but is logic.
Celio Hogane
idk I haven't watched Gintama
But if the absurd logic is being treated as a joke and not actually trying to be serious with something that was never meant to be serious, then it's probably not bullshit
Eyal Oged Is not bullshit.
If Gintama tries to be funny, by adhering to stupid logic, and succeeds - are they really just "dumb sketches"?
I turned my brain off. Now I'm dead.
The way I see it, the more Anime you see, the more critical you become since you've already seen similar things. It also depends on how naturally happy you are. If you're already content with just existing, then it's not hard to enjoy a show when you're already feeling good. People like Digibro have likely seen a lot of anime/other media, and so are much more likely to find familiar familiar tropes and plots and so are less likely to enjoy something that's been exhausted for them.
First i hated digibro, but now i respect his opinions, and appreciate them.
The problem of being active in a community like r/anime is that all opinions are one sided, and when others say something sucks, i basically feel bad enjoying that thing.
Sorry if i wasted your time with this comment
You shouldn't feel bad for enjoying something. No matter what so-called critics say, it is all subjective, it's all an opinion. This is why I barely care about reviews, I don't need someone else to tell me what I think about a show, I can do that myself. I'll I care about is being entertained because that's the whole point of entertainment.
+007MrYang As far as i know, Digibro completely agrees that the quality of art is subjective and people shouldn't feel bad for enjoying something. His analysis videos are basicly explainations of his perspective on whatever he's talking about, he isn't trying to tell anyone what they should think about it. Now if you don't find analysis videos interesting, that's fine, but i think you're kinda missing their point. They are about understanding someone else's opinion, not necessarily changing your own.
How about you stop being a pushover and argue for what you believe is right? Confrontation and disagreement should not be avoided. If you're not wiling to fight what you believe is right or for something you like, can you even say that you like it? Are you even worthy of having it if you are embarrassed by it?
I usually watch the first time for enjoyment. Perhaps look at reviews and rewatching the anime. It lets you step back.
Jeez. The comments here make me want to turn my brain off, permanently. With a gun. (This is a joke by the way, stay in school kids!)
Your Elmo profile picture makes this comment even better.
And let the silent kid with daddy issues turn your brain off
Stay in school kids? WITH A GUN??? omg
"Why can't you just turn your brain off and have some fun?" The short answer is:
It isn't fun if it's shit.
"turning off your brain" is just a buffer people use to avoid conceding that they enjoy the content. It's interchangeable with "I now this is trash, but so am I"
ORAORAORAORAORA!
USELESSUSELESSUSELESSUSELESS!!
Now that's a fun show.
*MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA!!!!
It's clearly the work of an Enemy Stand.
MUDAMUDAMUDAAAAA
Oh man I love those moments lol
*The only fun part of a otherwise mediocre show
what's it About?
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann are great "Mindless fun" shows. They make up shitty rules on the fly but stick to them by making fun of the tropes in similiar shows. It's great.
€: Jesus people, relax. I was mainly talking about making up shitty rules in Jojo (Hamon is basically plot convenience: The ability) I know TTGL makes sense as a whole and LOVE it for that, the over-the-top nature is just the mindless fun about it which I love aswell.
because they know how there shows are and play with that idea
JoJo can also be serious, sad and epic almost at the same time. Greatest shit i swear
If you think that TTGL is just mindless fun and never stopped to notice a deep story and take on Epic's and the Hero's Journey, then i can't really take your opinion on what's mindless and whats not seriously.
Alas I think Gurren lagan did it too much, after watching it, I said I enjoyed it, but the more I pondered the show the less good I felt about it, it left a sour taste in my mouth
+Kerkelinker When did TTGL ''make up a shitty rule on the fly''? There is one rule, than beings with DNA can produce spiral energy, and the whole story is basicly built around that.
Comment section saltier than the dead sea
So much salt it committed suicide.
This entire comment section is a salt mine
I have FUN watching your videos, you put words to things I have felt but never examined.
Most of the time I was under the appreciation that it was weird to not be able to turn my brain off and enjoy "like others".
But I'm still growing up and still learning to know myself (and you're helping).
not all my friends speak english but I'll share it in the hopes it finds someone who needs this too :)
Heavy Object sounded like the poor man's version of Red V.S. Blue.
I was thinking more of Archer
Except for Red vs. Blue is kinda funny, and heavy object was pretty bland imo
does that mean it devolves into an EVEN WORSE soap opera?
+Your Mom Aw man I watch that show!
"turn your brain off" to me means more like "Dont expect anything deep, dont overthink it, just enjoy dumb fun entertainment"
Is there a middle ground? Like making your brain go into a coma?
....What the hell am I even saying
*****
Considering the high risk that I'll sooner have my brains leak out than passing out, I think I'll pass.
Well you WOULD of course pass.
As a reviewer/critic, your mind is geared toward finding flaws, so you find flaws even when you're not looking for them and they bother you, whether you want them to or not. The problem people have is that most people aren't reviewers/critics, so they wouldn't think of those same things as being problems or even noteworthy, or even notice them in the first place. I for example would be more worried about the writing/dialogue than about whether a door was left open, or whether the witty banter was thematic and appropriate rather than whether they should logically be shouting one-liners at each-other while under fire. Quality over logic, interest over intelligence is what I'd prefer, but then, I'm not a critic.
"You would be entertained by staring at a brick wall"
Yes, I can be entertained by that, but I'd rather learn so I choose to watch reviewers instead.
Then you aren't one of the people trying to justify a criticism being bad as "you just think too much."
+Tackson Caswell Yeah, if something looks worse the more you think about it, then it wasn't as good as you thought it was.
it's so weird to see you making a good argument but citing Haruhi as a good anime :P
digibro is addicted to moe shit and actually thinks moe =/= good
I'm not 100% sure on what you're saying here, but I like a lot of moe shit
But I don't like Haruhi. That's because I think Haruhi is bad.
+Pedro Igor that makes zero sense
I'd be interested to see his take on the repeating arc, is it still a good anime because the alien girl is the only one noting the passage of time or is it good because they made the same episode like 5 times and changed a few of the camera angles and outfits or is it just shit and boring?
People have their own opinions, if you didn't know that xD
HOLY SHIT IS THAT ANOTHER VIDEO OF DIGIBRO SHITTING ON ANIME HE DOESNT LIKE WHILE FLAGSHIPPING HIS OPINION AS SUPERIOR?! What a fucking surprise.
What?
I couldn't find out for the life of me why this bullshit comes up as recommended. I swear TH-cam wants me to commit suicide by recommending me to listen to this shit. He could start an anime version of rotten tomatoes. *Drops Mic*
HOLY SHIT IS THIS ANOTHER DUMBASS FANBOY WHO CAN'T COMPREHEND A CRITICAL VIEW OF SOMETHING?
+Will “Starlord” Starseeker Digibro "Critical" ah, you make me laugh.
+Oni Master nigga I cannot tell you enough how silly you look throwing the word weaboo around in an anime video comment section. That stupid shit aside you are wrong. Digibro has a strong if not the strongest bias I have ever seen towards Haruhi. Yeah, Myriad is probably one of the crappiest things to air in it's season but Haruhi is nowhere near as good as Digibro makes out to be, and the fact that he uses Yuki's "Mary Sue"-ness to excuse one of Myraid's many mistakes is only a testament to that.
So I showed my friend this video because I wanted to under why I practice criticism. He got so angry, and we ended up arguing. It upsets me how people degrade my medium (film) and tell me to stop thinking so much about a film. And then when I try to justify why they tell me I'm a buzz kill and I'm like no I just don't have fun watching shit. Digibro you're awesome and you gave me a new found love in the art of anime. I love your work!
Funnily enough, I thought Yuki in Haruhi was an extremely dull and boring character. her design is the only memorable thing I remember of her.
I never liked Yuki in the series, but then, I'm not a fan of kuuderes in general. In the movie, however, she got quite a bit better.
Jesus christ, if someone told a joke to you I bet you would spend 10 minutes explaining why that joke wasn't perfect. I'ts probably been years since you've even cracked a smile.
"The directing and composition of this joke was awful, I couldn't tell what was going on. I was so confused."
Shinichi Mechazawa xD exactly
Hey, look, someone with their brain turned off!
You do realize that he doesn't critique EVERYTHING right? The video exists to critique something...why is that so hard to understand?
But people aren't joking when they tell him to turn his brain off. So it's justified to explain why they shouldn't. It's not knocking them down a peg, it's showing why their attempt at knocking him down a peg is shit.
The best show would be one where my brain is on the whole time, where I already know what is going to happen, but yet still manages to keep me on the edge of my seat whilst providing endless philosophical and moral debate
You know what kind of show is fun when you turn your brain off? A show that can also be good if you DON'T turn your brain off.
Thank the heavens for sending someone as intelligent as you. Best arguments ever! Awesome job!
lol his arguments are so bad
then give examples, I feel it is also impossible to turn one's brain off to enjoy something. His preference of enjoyment isn't just boobs and flashy animations in which his brain can ignore everything else.
This video doesn't really acknowledge that different people can find different things fun, and that people can be more or less tolerant of things that would ruin "fun". Digi gave examples of moments that he did or didn't find fun, but those were entirely based on his preferences, not on some objective method of determining "fun".
Exactly; I find Digibro's videos to be fun to watch but not for any of the reasons Digibro gave for the supposed consensus of fun.
I think this video is mainly saying why he can't have fun with certain shows. He is explaining his reasons because people always tell him to turn his brain off.
There's no objective way of determining fun. It's idiotic to even want that or expect he could go about finding an objective "fun".
IamScarecrow it really seems that way. i'm not sure i'd agree with the idea that a disasociated kuudere character can kill the entertainment value of a show.
But I don't have to, this is about "His" reasons for turning off of a show, and it would only really get to me if he attributes the subjective entertainment standards to a shows objective quality, which he sort of does with Heavy object when he linked his gripes to the shows market performance.
Is there an objective method of figuring out what's fun?
Im sorry for your loss. Gurren Lagann is great.
Gurren Lagann may be over the top, but that doesn't mean you need to "turn your brain off"
he didnt say Gurren Lagann was bad, or even infer it. I think you're assuming things, and I know why.
Ghetto Geek So if you know why, it means it was inferred to some extent :P
Mr_Dragon I know why you're assuming things, but not why you would twist the video like that.
Ghetto Geek Digibro does the twisting. He completely misrepresented the saying just so he could take down the strawman and say "A much better question is. . ."
This video is not about simple fun, It's about proper FUN.
I get what you mean digi, having one or two out strange uncanny or illogical scenes may not ruin the experience but it's hard to lose your self looking at a scenery when the background noise sounds like heavy traffic. The human brain is the uncanny ability to pick out imperfections. That is just how we work. Asking people to lower their intelligence is not respectable at all.
You trashed heavy object for "little things" which psychopass is completely made of
Then Psycho Pass had more things he enjoyed than Heavy Object did. You can forgive little things if you love everything else in the show.
no series is perfect, and redeemable qualities are what make up for flaws, if a series has next to none, then don't expect its mistakes to be forgiven
Psycho-Pass is underrated, the expository dialogue fits with the characters and it has plenty of redeeming qualities to make up for any flaws. Psycho-Pass 2 on the other hand is shit.
Psycho-Pass underrated? lol every critic gives it a 4-5/5 just because its 1984 the anime. But it isn't. Psycho-Pass completely misses every question it should have asked and instead focuses on stupid half dilemmas. Psycho-Pass is overrated.
Yes, because you are an authority on which questions should be asked, and which dilemmas are "stupid half dilemmas", right? Granted, you may be an authority on these things when it comes to your own personal taste; but do not be so pretentious as to try to claim that this is some kind of universal standard that everyone should agree on.
I don't even watch anime but I liked this video. This applies to every form of entertainment
I think the main thing that triggers people is not his criticism but his decision of considering a series horrible or fantastic, with no middle ground. I don't mind anymore since being human, we all have unique preferences.
Turn Your Brain Off means to stop questioning the movie/show... just accept anything the movie presents as possible...
bold of you to assume I have a brain
>Anime
>Narrative
pick one because you can't have both.
Dude, Welcome to the NHK, Haruhi Suzumiya, and Lucky Star (The picture that you use) are all narratives on anime culture. I'm a little confused how you didn't get that from watching them? Basically anything can be a narrative really though. Narrative: "a spoken or written account of connected events; a story." (Google definition) and How dare you limit the wonderful medium of anime? I'm ashamed of you. (somewhat half joking)
How dare I, indeed.
Who are you white-knighting for again?
True. I can't imagine something like a Breaking Bad/GoT anime being any good.
Why?
Anime after 2005 has lost it's integrity. Every new series is a carbon copy of whatever was popular two seasons ago, and they're all trying to be either K-on, .Hack//, Code Geass or Fushigi Yuugi.
Digital animation has only made the industry more accessible for less effort allowing studios to piece together their character designs from popularity polls.
Lol it’s so crazy that anger can even *be* an emotional response to someone having different tastes than yourself. I’m sorry you have to defend yourself like this dude! You rule!
Some people don't like to think when watching entertainment. They want to get lost in absurdity. Others have to think or be engage with a show to have fun.
dynasty warriors is my "Turn your brain off" series, you rarely need to think that hard to get through it, but there's something fun about blitzing through an entire army in a few minutes.
Generally, I think there are actually two people who make comments like this. Someone who thinks a critic should judge something by its own merits, as opposed tto handling something...(For instance, complainign that Azumanga Daioh doesn't have action.) THough, if they make it narrow enough...
And someone who thinks, because a work is "Stupid fun"...it's immune to critcism.
You know...Heavy Object actually showcases the difference between how a critic sees a show, and how a non-critic...
A criic, having a careful eye, NOTICES these minor details. So, by thatt definition "Turn your brain off" would consist of forgetting he minor plotholes, and just going with the flow.
Thank you for adressing this.
I see a lot of salt went into the dislike button from those that prefer making this statement instead of bothering to engage into a critical discussion.
That said, maintaning a certain ability of suspension of disbelief _is_ worth a lot if you don't want to end up as a grumpy cynic that stops having fun at the first sign of any small problem.
I think a challenge critics face is that of giving an evaluative judgement of the subject (in this case anime) of an experience. What your experience is depends heavily on your mindset/context within which you view it (including past experiences, mood at the time of viewing, positive/negative associations one might have with elements of the anime).
When the context of one person doesn't coincide with that of another, a little more work has to be done to reach a mutual understanding, which, I think Digibro does pretty decently by explaining exactly why he dislikes/likes certain animes. "you're just cynical" is an easy cop out to having an actual conversation and potentially having your own opinion challenged.
fun =/= quality
TheDavoo 3much5me
He explains that at the end, did you not watch that far before posting a witty, laconic retort?
MopedOfJustice here's a crazy idea... some people like to casually post a comment or 2 throughout the video... Crazy, isn't it?
Weiss But when you're making snarky corrections, it's better to wait and make sure that they aren't addressed in the video that you're snarking at, unless you want to look like an ass.
MopedOfJustice get your edgy preteen ass outta here
Digibros videos can be summed up by:
Meaningful message about art making you see something from a different perspective
top comment is: STFU YOUR A CRITIC WHO DISAGREES WITH MY PERSONAL TASTES WAAH
the likes on top comment are always abyssal compared to the likes on the video
other comments below completely agreeing with the video
Isn't it weird when you hear a word in a specific context so much that you forget about any other context it might have, isn't that FUN?
This has to be the realest, most respectable anime critic TH-cam channel I've ever seen. I've been watching your videos back to back, and I'm always saying, "Yep, I agree. Yes. Exactly!" Regardless of the few times I disagree, I can still enjoy the video that disagreement is in! I wish other people could be like that. Anyway, I'm subbing no doubt!
Good choice!
btw what's the source to your profile pic?
Alienrun
I think the anime is "Heavens Lost Prophecy" or something like that, and I dont remember the Japanes name lmao.
*But* the one on the profile picture is the protagonist.... he is a He, yep, just ocasionally turns into a girl.
*Eventually, Kars stopped thinking.*
I think this sums up critics. From Ratatouille Anton Ego: "In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations, the new needs friends. Last night, I experienced something new, an extraordinary meal from a singularly unexpected source. To say that both the meal and its maker have challenged my preconceptions about fine cooking is a gross understatement. They have rocked me to my core. In the past, I have made no secret of my disdain for Chef Gusteau’s famous motto: Anyone can cook. But I realize, only now do I truly understand what he meant. Not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere. It is difficult to imagine more humble origins than those of the genius now cooking at Gusteau’s, who is, in this critic’s opinion, nothing less than the finest chef in France. I will be returning to Gusteau’s soon, hungry for more."
But I do believe that there's more to being a critic then what this speech says but in general I think that the job of a critic in concept is easy tho the work itself maybe hard as well as the backlash one gets in the defense or attack of a piece of work whether it be fiction, technology, food, ect. But to hold critics up on a pedestal simply because they are a critic hurts what a critic should stand for. A critic should stand for not fame, fortune, or popularity but they should stand for giving the best information based on their individual tastes and expectations. ... I honestly don't know how to end this I guess critic on the idea of critics it's hard to voice one's opinion in a way that anyone can understand. Criticizing is easy Critiquing is hard.
"Either you need to turn your brain off, or you're an enemy of having fun."
Like, you know. You're not allowed to say things like, "Anime creating companies need to do better and stop creating crap." Because the Japanese and anime otaku-tachi that these shows are geared towards would totally accept the crap without complaint.
Personally I think this idea is very dangerous.
I think it's meant more as "Can you suspend your disbelief EVEN MORE?". Some people can see something stupid and just suspend their disbelief to a point where they'll find it enjoyable. Take Suicide Squad, as a movie it's pretty dumb and poorly edited, but I was able to suspend my disbelief enough to just enjoy it as a fun super-hero movie.
Some people only like to suspend their disbelief to a certain point, and that's just fine. Like you said with Heavy Object, you couldn't enjoy it since you couldn't suspend your disbelief over the fact that the main characters seemed to always have luck on their side despite the fact that the show was about strategy.
I feel somewhat similar to Batman v Superman. On top of already being a boring movie with weird pacing, not very likable characters, and zero levity, I couldn't suspend my disbelief to make it fun for me since that would've just made it even more boring in my opinion. Like you said, if it worked for everything, we'd have no problem staring at walls XD.
No one can argue.
Lucky star is the best thing to ever exist.
This may sound like anime blasphemy but I found The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya very VERY boring.
I found a few episodes to be (Endless Eight, The last chronological episode, and probably a few others) but I really liked it. Plus, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya was worth getting through any parts of the show I didn't like.
Same. I watched all of it, and I still don't get why everyone thinks it is such a good show.
CaramellNeko I like all the characters but Kyon is probably one of my favorite main characters of all time, so that's probably why. Did you watch the dub? It's much better.
I don't blame you, I binged watched it years ago and there were many things that was just "meh" or didn't stand out.
It is kind of easy to forget the anime if you wasn't a huge fan of it. I still don't really understand why it was successful.
i kind of assumed it was supposed to be boring at times on purpose just to be even more bizarre