The fit, the beard, the room, the grainy video... this video's vibes are off the charts (Also it'd be a good idea to get a Bible with apocrypha given some of the readings in the 2019 lectionary, felt it was worth noting since the Bible and BCP and one after the other)
Also, your video on the BCP was awesome and led to me buying the 1928 BCP, which is awesome. Would you ever consider doing any more subjective/personal opinion videos on liturgy, mass, hymns or Psalmody? New Kingdom Media's video on the daily office changed my life, and I think personal (devotional/liturgical) piety can be lost in the deep theology debates, hence why it's so awesome you recommended Anglican spirituality books too.
Someone remarked on another TH-cam site having attended a 1549 BCP Holy Communion service. Thought you would be interested in knowing. Wouldn't it be nice if the 1549 service were celebrated occasionally? I hope the idea spreads. 🙂
I am not a young Anglican, but an old Anglican, an octogenarian, and college history adjunct. I commend you for mentioning J. R. H. Moorman's A History of the Church in England. I find not a few in the ACNA at a loss for solid, informative, history of the Church in England. There is one web site, claiming to be "orthodox," that seems adamant in distorting it. If anyone can get his or her hands on it, I recommend Frank E. Wilson's The Divine Commission. It contains information that knocks the socks off Roman Catholics, i.e. relevant omitted history. I suggest also Frank E. Wilson's Faith and Practice, for a general explanation of Anglican beliefs. It is still under publication, which may say something. People have thanked me for drawing their attention to it. The late Bishop of Fort Worth, Jack Iker, shared with me his appreciation for the book.🙂
Addendum: I have heard repeated referral to the 39 Articles in your TH-cam presentations. I have a question about that out of a very book that you recommend, i.e. Moorman's A History of the Church of England. Is Moorman's statement on page 214, "These articles . . . are not meant to be a formulary of the Christian faith. They are a statement of the Church of England's attitude towards the doctrinal disputes which were convulsing Europe at the time," true or false? Moorman footnotes his statement by reference to E. J. Blacknell, A Theological Introduction to the Thirty-nine Articles, (1925), pp. 17-21. 🤨
Great list, thanks for sharing! Any thoughts on Martin Thornton's, "English Spirituality: An Outline of Ascetical Theology according to the English Pastoral Tradition"?
It should have been at the top of this list!!!!!!!! I've read it multiple times and it is a regular reference book for me. Although published in the early 1960s, the bibliography is a gold mine for anyone looking for sources of traditional Anglican beliefs, spirituality, and practice. Certainly some of the works there have been superceded by more recent editions (the Folger Shakespeare Library edition of Richard Hooker's LAWS OF ECCLESIASTICAL POLITY is one) but this does nothing to undermine the list's value. If Young Anglican has the time, he really needs to read it from cover to cover. It IS a classic.
I personally love J I Packers' works. I would recommend concise theology, the heritage of anglican theology, and to be Christian: an anglican Catechism. God bless you all!!!
Awesome list! I'm currently gathering works from the period of Protestant Scholasticism (17 century Reformed Scholastics, Anglican Divines and Lutheran Dogmaticians.) Everyone hard core soy'd about Turretin being in-depth, but compared to Gerhardt, I really wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I know you're pretty well educated about Lutheranism (and are very kind to us, thank you) and have looked into a lot of our stances. How does Richard Hooker and John Davenant compare to Turretin in difficulty? To St. Johann Gerhardt? Thank you for your recommendations! I've bought several copies of Anglican Dogmatics and it's been a blast!
Perhaps the main 'difficulty' to accessing Hooker (in original, I have not looked at the Davenant edition) is a higher required reading level than something like Turretin which is quite simplistic in its presentation as most scholastic works are. As to genre and content, the Laws is quite different from Gerhard and especially Turretin whose main work is actually a textbook. In fact, as a Lutheran you may enjoy the Laws as it is primarily a defence against the Puritans, a common enemy. Book 5 is where it takes off.
@φιλόθεοςThanks so much for the answer! I have read a good bit of Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity and I totally agree. I'm actually used to philosophy treatises more than purely scholastic theology works, so honestly a lot of the Anglican Divines are a big appeal to me, particularly Hooker. That's good to know that they follow (generally) the same type of writing/style as Hooker, who I felt was particularly beautiful to read. I'll dive in then! Thanks so much for the reply!
Three more off top of my head that I’ll recommend: 1. FATHERS AND ANGLICANS, Arthur Middleton. -this is probably THE book that sold me on Anglicanism (after seriously exploring Eastern Orthodoxy and hitting some roadblocks) 2. AN EXPOSITION OF THE THIRTY NINE ARTICLES, Edward Harold Browne -I’ve extensively highlighted and underlined this one 😂 3. CHURCH DOCTRINE, BIBLE TRUTH, by M F Sadler-I’m currently re-reading this one I’ll also second the recommendations listed below for Staley’s THE CATHOLIC RELIGION and Mascall’s CHRIST, THE CHRISTIAN, AND THE CHURCH (Oh, and THE BOOKS OF HOMILIES is a must)
Reading through FJ Hall’s Dogmatics rn as I discern the Diaconate. His work gathering demonstrating the catholicity of the Anglican way and formalizing it by properly arranging and “de-polemicizing” our reformers is something we desperately need.
Is the "Word Made Flesh" actually book 5? I just finished books 1-4 in modern English and have an old copy of book 5 but its in Elizabethan English and not impossible but difficult to read
do you know any sound websites besides Davenant press where i can order various books? i'm sort of drawn by the aesthetic of a book shelf with 5 hardcovers that match
Be careful with NT Wright. He is far too accepting of the historical critical method which views everything in naturalistic terms. He kind of gets past that but is still too indebted.
The historical method is not the enemy of theology and NT Wright as primarily an ancient historian of the 1st century is an important corrective to theologians with their heads in the clouds ignoring the real world historical context in which people lived. Wright's work on Galatians for example will get you closer to what Paul was really getting at than Luther's commentary which may as well be a devotional work. We are not Buddhists on a spiritual journey, we follow a faith grounded in real world history.
@@clivejungle6999 well, the critical historical method is kind of an enemy to theology. I was trained in it and the methodology requires that all supernatural or transcendent elements be ignored, and only naturalistic considerations be accepted. Meaning is limited solely to the intent of the human author and relevant only to the author’s immediate time and place. For example, supposing one looks at a prophetic text. Using historical critical method, one can only look at the immediate context the author lived in to interpret it. If the prophet makes a prediction that comes true, the text is assumed to have been written after the fact. Wright does do some good work, especially showing the validity of Christ’s resurrection. What I want to be cautious about is his limitation of the meaning of the New Testament texts, especially Paul, to only their first century Jewish context. Certainly that historical setting is valid, but if a scripture truly is the word of God, the text is necessarily richer than only what the supposed intent of the human author was in a particular situation.
@@marilynmelzian7370 But there is no guard rails for your theological flights of fancy and it can and does end up with golden plates in Rochester New York. I care about what Paul, the 1st century Second Temple Jew meant. Not what 16th century antisemites thought he meant.
@@royquick-s5nthere is an excerpt from The Shape of the Liturgy in this little volume. The Shape of the Liturgy is a wonderful classic but some of the scholarship has moved on.
@@toddvoss52 I take that somewhat reservedly. What is meant by "some of the scholarship has moved on"? Dix is very detailed in the development of the liturgy. I find his descriptions of the early development of liturgy of particular interest. I expect some of Calvinistic or Lutheran inclination would not be too receptive because discontinuities which arose from the separations which occurred in the past.
@@royquick-s5n It is still a worthwhile read. But as an example, the text known as "Apostolic Tradition" is not now believed to be authored by Hippolytus nor to be an early form of the Liturgy used in the Roman Church by scholars of any denomination or traditional/non-traditional persuasions that I am aware of. It remains an important witness of several elements of decidedly early provenance. Can't go into the details in a short comment.
The fit, the beard, the room, the grainy video... this video's vibes are off the charts
(Also it'd be a good idea to get a Bible with apocrypha given some of the readings in the 2019 lectionary, felt it was worth noting since the Bible and BCP and one after the other)
Yay! Two videos back to back! We are really getting treated this advent. Cant wait to watch Joe!
Also, your video on the BCP was awesome and led to me buying the 1928 BCP, which is awesome.
Would you ever consider doing any more subjective/personal opinion videos on liturgy, mass, hymns or Psalmody? New Kingdom Media's video on the daily office changed my life, and I think personal (devotional/liturgical) piety can be lost in the deep theology debates, hence why it's so awesome you recommended Anglican spirituality books too.
I have a black travel version of the BCP (1928). Daily reference.
The 1928 BCP changed my life for the better
Someone remarked on another TH-cam site having attended a 1549 BCP Holy Communion service. Thought you would be interested in knowing. Wouldn't it be nice if the 1549 service were celebrated occasionally? I hope the idea spreads. 🙂
I am not a young Anglican, but an old Anglican, an octogenarian, and college history adjunct. I commend you for mentioning J. R. H. Moorman's A History of the Church in England. I find not a few in the ACNA at a loss for solid, informative, history of the Church in England. There is one web site, claiming to be "orthodox," that seems adamant in distorting it. If anyone can get his or her hands on it, I recommend Frank E. Wilson's The Divine Commission. It contains information that knocks the socks off Roman Catholics, i.e. relevant omitted history. I suggest also Frank E. Wilson's Faith and Practice, for a general explanation of Anglican beliefs. It is still under publication, which may say something. People have thanked me for drawing their attention to it. The late Bishop of Fort Worth, Jack Iker, shared with me his appreciation for the book.🙂
Addendum: I have heard repeated referral to the 39 Articles in your TH-cam presentations. I have a question about that out of a very book that you recommend, i.e. Moorman's A History of the Church of England. Is Moorman's statement on page 214, "These articles . . . are not meant to be a formulary of the Christian faith. They are a statement of the Church of England's attitude towards the doctrinal disputes which were convulsing Europe at the time," true or false? Moorman footnotes his statement by reference to E. J. Blacknell, A Theological Introduction to the Thirty-nine Articles, (1925), pp. 17-21. 🤨
Great list, thanks for sharing! Any thoughts on Martin Thornton's, "English Spirituality: An Outline of Ascetical Theology according to the English Pastoral Tradition"?
Great book, haven't read it all the way through though. Just selections my priest picked out
It should have been at the top of this list!!!!!!!! I've read it multiple times and it is a regular reference book for me. Although published in the early 1960s, the bibliography is a gold mine for anyone looking for sources of traditional Anglican beliefs, spirituality, and practice. Certainly some of the works there have been superceded by more recent editions (the Folger Shakespeare Library edition of Richard Hooker's LAWS OF ECCLESIASTICAL POLITY is one) but this does nothing to undermine the list's value. If Young Anglican has the time, he really needs to read it from cover to cover. It IS a classic.
My favorite three books other than the Bible: Foxe's Book of Martyrs, Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan, and The Bloody Tenant by Roger Williams.
0:10 you have any books you’d recommend?
Will be returning to this vid! Would love to hear your thoughts on the branch theory at length.
Thanks for the recs! Currently reading Jewel’s Apology. It’s not bad 😂
I personally love J I Packers' works. I would recommend concise theology, the heritage of anglican theology, and to be Christian: an anglican Catechism.
God bless you all!!!
Love the list. My one addition, since you included Mascal, would be Christ, The Christian, and the Church
That’s a good one 👍🏻
I have read McDermott’s book and is very good.
Awesome list! I'm currently gathering works from the period of Protestant Scholasticism (17 century Reformed Scholastics, Anglican Divines and Lutheran Dogmaticians.)
Everyone hard core soy'd about Turretin being in-depth, but compared to Gerhardt, I really wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I know you're pretty well educated about Lutheranism (and are very kind to us, thank you) and have looked into a lot of our stances.
How does Richard Hooker and John Davenant compare to Turretin in difficulty? To St. Johann Gerhardt?
Thank you for your recommendations! I've bought several copies of Anglican Dogmatics and it's been a blast!
Perhaps the main 'difficulty' to accessing Hooker (in original, I have not looked at the Davenant edition) is a higher required reading level than something like Turretin which is quite simplistic in its presentation as most scholastic works are. As to genre and content, the Laws is quite different from Gerhard and especially Turretin whose main work is actually a textbook. In fact, as a Lutheran you may enjoy the Laws as it is primarily a defence against the Puritans, a common enemy. Book 5 is where it takes off.
@φιλόθεοςThanks so much for the answer! I have read a good bit of Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity and I totally agree. I'm actually used to philosophy treatises more than purely scholastic theology works, so honestly a lot of the Anglican Divines are a big appeal to me, particularly Hooker.
That's good to know that they follow (generally) the same type of writing/style as Hooker, who I felt was particularly beautiful to read. I'll dive in then!
Thanks so much for the reply!
Three more off top of my head that I’ll recommend:
1. FATHERS AND ANGLICANS, Arthur Middleton. -this is probably THE book that sold me on Anglicanism (after seriously exploring Eastern Orthodoxy and hitting some roadblocks)
2. AN EXPOSITION OF THE THIRTY NINE ARTICLES, Edward Harold Browne -I’ve extensively highlighted and underlined this one 😂
3. CHURCH DOCTRINE, BIBLE TRUTH, by M F Sadler-I’m currently re-reading this one
I’ll also second the recommendations listed below for Staley’s THE CATHOLIC RELIGION and Mascall’s CHRIST, THE CHRISTIAN, AND THE CHURCH
(Oh, and THE BOOKS OF HOMILIES is a must)
Oh, how could I forget John Jewel’s APOLOGY OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND?
Reading through FJ Hall’s Dogmatics rn as I discern the Diaconate. His work gathering demonstrating the catholicity of the Anglican way and formalizing it by properly arranging and “de-polemicizing” our reformers is something we desperately need.
Vermigli, a non-Anglican, makes the list but the Homilies, which are Official Church teaching and are in the 39 Articles, don't?
@@DrGero15 lol good point. BCP was included which includes the 39A which cite the homilies soooo basically I did include them??
@@Young_Anglican No, I award no partial credit. Class rules.
Ironic yes, but Vermigli was instrumental in the formation of the BCP.
Is the "Word Made Flesh" actually book 5? I just finished books 1-4 in modern English and have an old copy of book 5 but its in Elizabethan English and not impossible but difficult to read
great video and list, thank you. Im surprised that The Catholic Religion by Vernon Staley didn’t make the list.
@@CupofCloud another great one. If I had a physical copy that one would've definitely made it
That’s another good one 👍🏻
do you know any sound websites besides Davenant press where i can order various books? i'm sort of drawn by the aesthetic of a book shelf with 5 hardcovers that match
For books on the history, practice, and faith of the Church of England, you might try Blackwell's U.K. It is accessible on the web. 🙂
Be careful with NT Wright. He is far too accepting of the historical critical method which views everything in naturalistic terms. He kind of gets past that but is still too indebted.
The historical method is not the enemy of theology and NT Wright as primarily an ancient historian of the 1st century is an important corrective to theologians with their heads in the clouds ignoring the real world historical context in which people lived. Wright's work on Galatians for example will get you closer to what Paul was really getting at than Luther's commentary which may as well be a devotional work. We are not Buddhists on a spiritual journey, we follow a faith grounded in real world history.
@@clivejungle6999 well, the critical historical method is kind of an enemy to theology. I was trained in it and the methodology requires that all supernatural or transcendent elements be ignored, and only naturalistic considerations be accepted. Meaning is limited solely to the intent of the human author and relevant only to the author’s immediate time and place. For example, supposing one looks at a prophetic text. Using historical critical method, one can only look at the immediate context the author lived in to interpret it. If the prophet makes a prediction that comes true, the text is assumed to have been written after the fact. Wright does do some good work, especially showing the validity of Christ’s resurrection. What I want to be cautious about is his limitation of the meaning of the New Testament texts, especially Paul, to only their first century Jewish context. Certainly that historical setting is valid, but if a scripture truly is the word of God, the text is necessarily richer than only what the supposed intent of the human author was in a particular situation.
@@marilynmelzian7370 But there is no guard rails for your theological flights of fancy and it can and does end up with golden plates in Rochester New York.
I care about what Paul, the 1st century Second Temple Jew meant. Not what 16th century antisemites thought he meant.
Do you have the 2019 TLE?
Not a physical one unfortunately. But I should
I recommend “A Sacramental Life” by Dom Gregory Dix .
For the more erudite, there is Dix's The Shape of Liturgy. 🙂
@@royquick-s5nthere is an excerpt from The Shape of the Liturgy in this little volume. The Shape of the Liturgy is a wonderful classic but some of the scholarship has moved on.
@@toddvoss52 I take that somewhat reservedly. What is meant by "some of the scholarship has moved on"? Dix is very detailed in the development of the liturgy. I find his descriptions of the early development of liturgy of particular interest. I expect some of Calvinistic or Lutheran inclination would not be too receptive because discontinuities which arose from the separations which occurred in the past.
@@royquick-s5n It is still a worthwhile read. But as an example, the text known as "Apostolic Tradition" is not now believed to be authored by Hippolytus nor to be an early form of the Liturgy used in the Roman Church by scholars of any denomination or traditional/non-traditional persuasions that I am aware of. It remains an important witness of several elements of decidedly early provenance. Can't go into the details in a short comment.
I’m blind. They need a kindle version of the 2019
Am I early
No :)