Great tips. I stumbled on a couple of these procedures when trying to “trick” GF, without thinking about the underlying reason, but so much better to see it explained in a work flow. Thanks Colin.
Your content and teaching ability are much appreciated. Had to guess at the meaning of the Camel's and Gnats comment tough, until I could Google it. Fits well.
Dear Colin Smith, I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express my heartfelt gratitude for the tutorial you recently provided. Your insights and explanations have truly enhanced my understanding of the new tools in Photoshop. Your dedication to sharing knowledge and contributing to the Photoshop community is admirable and greatly appreciated. It's individuals like you who make learning and mastering this software an enriching experience for enthusiasts like myself. Once again, thank you for your invaluable contribution. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed and are immensely beneficial to aspiring designers like me. Warm regards, Avidan Yoram Israel👍
Such BS… I shoot 42 megapixel stills and I expect every part of that picture to be full resolution. So for me, other than playing around, generative fill is pretty useless. I have clients that want to make billboards!
For larger images that are going to print, use the remove tool on a layer, then use GEN Fill on smaller portions of another layer (Gen Fill makes a layer automatically) . Then you can combine the 2 with masks and get pretty good results. Still faster than using content aware fill on complex objects. For easy removals, Use Patch tool.
Why be so offensive? He has explained on many videos the benefits for large areas of low res such as sky and limitations for high res and some workarounds. Chill out mate before you claim BS on a guy who helps many of us
Hii colin, My lacco icon is not working well it generate instead of remove Whay i do plss tell me I have too much time spent on it But i cant remove any object from my chossed picture I try many more but it work such as somthing generate in place of remove It not properly remove
While effective, Photoshop's Generative Fill feature can sometimes have problems with complex textures or challenging backgrounds, which might result in less precise object removal. Try narrowing your choice and giving the AI more context to work with for optimal outcomes.
Very good and much needed video. Good explanation of when to use the remove tool vs generative fill. And the tip about selections effecting generative fill is important!
If a person only generates changes that are a small area in a larger photo, the 1024 x 1024 px generation is not a problem. So just change things in sections then, if that works. I have use Generative Fill to remove cars from the front of houses and it works fine in details because cars were small vs. the size of the house, and the program drew in the interlocking brick driveway and part of the house behind the car. Or ... Sometimes I use Content Aware Fill if I want to expand a section of the background that is a simple studio backdrop (even, graduated or textured colour backdrops).
Hi Colin, To be honest I've commented on this resolution thing to you before, but I think I've probably then said `Its only useful for social media`, and thats where I`d be happy to use it, but thankfully you and someone else on YT has provided a full resolution work around for this if doing a decent size print. So the question is why cant Adobe then do this? Thanks for another great video Colin.
Great video! Thank you for the explanation and for showing how to use the tools more efficiently. There's one thing I'd like to say about the resolution of the generative fill. If I do these images for myself then sure, I don't care if something gets softer and unsharp. Most uses of images for personal use are for websites or social media or a small-format print. However, if I work on images for a client, I can never allow for parts of the image to be of lower quality. That's why the generative fill is not very useful for me personally (and I believe other professionals too), and I can't wait for Photoshop with the higher res of fill to come out of beta. However, if it's possible to split the image into sections or generate only small portions of the image then generative fill is really awesome even for professional use.
So, I’m going to vent right back. Some of us do more than post to instagram and facebook. I use a 100mp camera and do print large gallery size prints. Generative fill is only useful to me fixing small areas. To try and do what you just did looks absolutely terrible. So we can conclude that GF is only good for social media posts?
As a rule of thumb, if your patch area is larger than 1024 in the final output size, then it won’t look good. In this case, You can patch in smaller increments like I demonstrated on a video about a month ago. And I did mention print as an exception on the video as well at a text overlay, reaffirming that point. Did you see that?
@@photoshopcafe yes, I’ve seen that technique. Rather a pain, if you have a large area. Umesh over at PixImperfect has put together an action that automates the process, however, I’ve noticed that on my GFX100 files the edges of each square are visible. Not so much on my older Nikons. Also the process eats a lot of credits. Fortunately I really don’t have the need to use GF in large areas often.
@@photoshopcafe I saw that you mentioned print as an exception. But for some of us, printing at high resolution is 95% of our work. I appreciate the other video on patching in smaller increments, I just wish this was an easier process.
@@richardallan2331 Richard, you don’t need to be so snarky. I have actually done quite a bit of research and experimenting with the process. I have come to the conclusion that with very high MP images, it just doesn’t work all that well. It does work well enough with images from my old Nikon D810 (36 MP) just not so well with 100MP Fuji files. I do think GF can be a useful tool. Hopefully Adobe will give us higher resolution in the next generation.
Colin I have to say how much I enjoy your videos and how valuable and clear they are. I have a question about generative fill. When I use it I frequency end up with a very noticeable border where the selection was. I have tried feathering my selection to different amounts and it doesn’t seem to make a difference. It does seem to happen more often when used on a blurred background. I would appreciate any suggestions
Thank you. I have tried it in the beta version and yes it is better but I found it only marginally so. I will look at it again and try it on images with different sharpen and different resolutions.
I remember reading a few times that once generative fill was no longer in beta that the resolution was also increasing to 2048X2048. Is that no longer the case?
I've been using Generative function on a daily basis for removing eyesores from real estate images. It's so good I've gotten spoiled and do not use content aware fill/remove. I will probably have to be more conservative in generative fill if it will be cost prohibitive. As of now, I have a 97% success rate with GF. The only drawback is the delay between execution of the command and the end result. I hope at some point Adobe can put part of the AI software into a dedicated SSD to serve as a library/cache of sorts to speed up the process.
Wow. I was really struggling removing a person from a group. Then I watched your technique for larger selection and generative fill. Worked like a charm!
I still have a problem with the Remove tool just suddenly freezing Photoshop. Going into the Task Manager shows that Photoshop is suddenly maxing out the RAM (I have 64 GB) After several minutes, I will get an error message: Not enough RAM. After that it will work just fine, maybe just once, maybe three or four, maybe ten times. This happens with the latest 2024 version and the beta, but in the 2023 version it works perfectly. I have had Adobe tech support try to fix it but no dice. Very frustrating.
Yes I agree .Very good and much needed video. Good explanation of when to use the remove tool vs generative fill. And the tip about selections effecting generative fill is important!
@@photoshopcafe I am asking Without Internet! NO access to Adobe servers. To rephrase the question. You say @1:14 No3 that Remove does not require internet? therefore what is the difference between Remove tool & CAF tool? as neither require internet! I assume that Remove is just a new and enhanced version of CAF. Is this the case?
Written steps: photoshopcafe.com/why-photoshop-generative-fill-doesnt-always-remove-objects/
Colin, thanks for always being helpful and concise!
I try :)
Great tips. I stumbled on a couple of these procedures when trying to “trick” GF, without thinking about the underlying reason, but so much better to see it explained in a work flow. Thanks Colin.
Glad to help bring some clarity
Your content and teaching ability are much appreciated. Had to guess at the meaning of the Camel's and Gnats comment tough, until I could Google it. Fits well.
lol thanks
Super informative for me. I’ve gotten so frustrated when AI replaces something with a different person. lol now I know what to do, thanks so much.
Glad I can help
Dear Colin Smith,
I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express my heartfelt gratitude for the tutorial you recently provided. Your insights and explanations have truly enhanced my understanding of the new tools in Photoshop.
Your dedication to sharing knowledge and contributing to the Photoshop community is admirable and greatly appreciated. It's individuals like you who make learning and mastering this software an enriching experience for enthusiasts like myself.
Once again, thank you for your invaluable contribution. Your efforts have not gone unnoticed and are immensely beneficial to aspiring designers like me.
Warm regards,
Avidan Yoram
Israel👍
Thanks for the very kind words
Thanks for the comments at the end. Far too much click-bait around, and good to hear a prominent TH-camr mention it.
thank you so much
Can you use it to remove rain from a pic?
Excellent ❤😃
EXACTLY, remove the narrow minded brain and perceive the whole world. Difficult in todays culture.
Such BS… I shoot 42 megapixel stills and I expect every part of that picture to be full resolution. So for me, other than playing around, generative fill is pretty useless. I have clients that want to make billboards!
For larger images that are going to print, use the remove tool on a layer, then use GEN Fill on smaller portions of another layer (Gen Fill makes a layer automatically) . Then you can combine the 2 with masks and get pretty good results. Still faster than using content aware fill on complex objects. For easy removals, Use Patch tool.
Why be so offensive? He has explained on many videos the benefits for large areas of low res such as sky and limitations for high res and some workarounds. Chill out mate before you claim BS on a guy who helps many of us
Hii colin,
My lacco icon is not working well it generate instead of remove
Whay i do plss tell me
I have too much time spent on it
But i cant remove any object from my chossed picture
I try many more but it work such as somthing generate in place of remove
It not properly remove
Yes Colin I did learn something new…”Swallowing camels and spitting out gnats”! Thanks for you videos.
lol thanks
While effective, Photoshop's Generative Fill feature can sometimes have problems with complex textures or challenging backgrounds, which might result in less precise object removal. Try narrowing your choice and giving the AI more context to work with for optimal outcomes.
Thanks Colin, very informative and helpful as always!
Glad to help
everyone is leaving adove thanks to their New Terms of Service! ... so I advise you to upgrade your channel
when i'm using krita generative fill, generative fill making better quality than the photo
Whenever I use the remove tool, leaves behind a grey filled in object, where do I go wrong?
It would seem to me that better to size image as final desired...Than do gen fill...and resolution should be a better match.
love your videos, perhaps the best around I think
Very good and much needed video. Good explanation of when to use the remove tool vs generative fill. And the tip about selections effecting generative fill is important!
so happy to help
If a person only generates changes that are a small area in a larger photo, the 1024 x 1024 px generation is not a problem. So just change things in sections then, if that works. I have use Generative Fill to remove cars from the front of houses and it works fine in details because cars were small vs. the size of the house, and the program drew in the interlocking brick driveway and part of the house behind the car.
Or ... Sometimes I use Content Aware Fill if I want to expand a section of the background that is a simple studio backdrop (even, graduated or textured colour backdrops).
You are correct. Thanks for sharing
Hi Colin, To be honest I've commented on this resolution thing to you before, but I think I've probably then said `Its only useful for social media`, and thats where I`d be happy to use it, but thankfully you and someone else on YT has provided a full resolution work around for this if doing a decent size print. So the question is why cant Adobe then do this? Thanks for another great video Colin.
I'm sure Adobe are working on some solution as they must be aware of it
Great video! Thank you for the explanation and for showing how to use the tools more efficiently. There's one thing I'd like to say about the resolution of the generative fill. If I do these images for myself then sure, I don't care if something gets softer and unsharp. Most uses of images for personal use are for websites or social media or a small-format print. However, if I work on images for a client, I can never allow for parts of the image to be of lower quality. That's why the generative fill is not very useful for me personally (and I believe other professionals too), and I can't wait for Photoshop with the higher res of fill to come out of beta. However, if it's possible to split the image into sections or generate only small portions of the image then generative fill is really awesome even for professional use.
Yes, I totally agree with you! I made a tut a few weeks ago about how to split it up
Thanks for instruction
Interesting - It did a nice job of creating the rest of the bike!!!!! Hmmmmm....
Yes, it did. Sometimes you have to mix and match tools
Great stuff...thank you.
when I dont put anything in the prompt bar for generative fill, its still filling it with a random object not sure what the fix is for that.
Change the shape of your selection and make sure the selection is larger than your object
So, I’m going to vent right back. Some of us do more than post to instagram and facebook. I use a 100mp camera and do print large gallery size prints. Generative fill is only useful to me fixing small areas. To try and do what you just did looks absolutely terrible. So we can conclude that GF is only good for social media posts?
As a rule of thumb, if your patch area is larger than 1024 in the final output size, then it won’t look good. In this case, You can patch in smaller increments like I demonstrated on a video about a month ago.
And I did mention print as an exception on the video as well at a text overlay, reaffirming that point. Did you see that?
@@photoshopcafe yes, I’ve seen that technique. Rather a pain, if you have a large area. Umesh over at PixImperfect has put together an action that automates the process, however, I’ve noticed that on my GFX100 files the edges of each square are visible. Not so much on my older Nikons. Also the process eats a lot of credits. Fortunately I really don’t have the need to use GF in large areas often.
@@photoshopcafe I saw that you mentioned print as an exception. But for some of us, printing at high resolution is 95% of our work. I appreciate the other video on patching in smaller increments, I just wish this was an easier process.
If you bothered to maybe do some research you might find that it actually can be a very easy process. I use it often & I’m making large prints also.
@@richardallan2331 Richard, you don’t need to be so snarky. I have actually done quite a bit of research and experimenting with the process. I have come to the conclusion that with very high MP images, it just doesn’t work all that well. It does work well enough with images from my old Nikon D810 (36 MP) just not so well with 100MP Fuji files. I do think GF can be a useful tool. Hopefully Adobe will give us higher resolution in the next generation.
Very useful. Thanks
🎉 thanks for share
remove tool still creates patterns which i find most annoying
Yes, sometimes, you have to do a few passes to smooth out the patterns
Another outstanding and useful lesson! You make life easier Colin!
"Focus on creating art..." Right on, Colin! 👍👍
yes! thanks Rod
Generative fill is soooo good in LR Best update ever
glad you like it
Spot on, Colin!
Colin I have to say how much I enjoy your videos and how valuable and clear they are. I have a question about generative fill. When I use it I frequency end up with a very noticeable border where the selection was. I have tried feathering my selection to different amounts and it doesn’t seem to make a difference. It does seem to happen more often when used on a blurred background. I would appreciate any suggestions
Make your selection larger than you need. Generative fill automatically adds a feather in the beta version. Shipping version it doesn’t
Thank you. I have tried it in the beta version and yes it is better but I found it only marginally so. I will look at it again and try it on images with different sharpen and different resolutions.
I remember reading a few times that once generative fill was no longer in beta that the resolution was also increasing to 2048X2048. Is that no longer the case?
Where did you read that? I guess they were incorrect. I’ve never heard that
@@photoshopcafe I have seen it mentioned several times. Of course I cannot remember where.
I've been using Generative function on a daily basis for removing eyesores from real estate images. It's so good I've gotten spoiled and do not use content aware fill/remove. I will probably have to be more conservative in generative fill if it will be cost prohibitive.
As of now, I have a 97% success rate with GF. The only drawback is the delay between execution of the command and the end result. I hope at some point Adobe can put part of the AI software into a dedicated SSD to serve as a library/cache of sorts to speed up the process.
"Swallowing Camels and spitting out Gnats" !!! LMAO !!
Wow. I was really struggling removing a person from a group. Then I watched your technique for larger selection and generative fill. Worked like a charm!
Thanks - as always a useful, practical topic clearly presented!
I agree! The artist you're speaking of worries himself needlessly.
Great job Colin. So, glad to see that *someone* is keeping it real.
spot on again.
thanks
Спасибо!
I still have a problem with the Remove tool just suddenly freezing Photoshop. Going into the Task Manager shows that Photoshop is suddenly maxing out the RAM (I have 64 GB) After several minutes, I will get an error message: Not enough RAM. After that it will work just fine, maybe just once, maybe three or four, maybe ten times. This happens with the latest 2024 version and the beta, but in the 2023 version it works perfectly. I have had Adobe tech support try to fix it but no dice. Very frustrating.
Sorry, I haven't had that happen to me, have you contacted Adobe tech support?
Thanks Colin. It took me a while, but I've learned to use the romove tool first then tidy up small areas with genrerative fill.
nice, good approach
So glad I understand why generative fill keeps replacing objects instead of removing them!! Thank you!!!
Glad to help
Yes I agree .Very good and much needed video. Good explanation of when to use the remove tool vs generative fill. And the tip about selections effecting generative fill is important!
Happy to help
Well said Colin 👍👍👍. Also liked the tip on removing person 👍👍👍
thanks
Great video - love your points on resolution... :)
thanks
Some very useful and new learning points in your video. Thanks 👍🙂
yay!
Yes!
right on!
Well said! 🙂 New things learned.
awesome!
Thenk you very much Colin!!!!!!!!!
any time
so if I don't need internet what's the difference between Remove & Content aware Fill
I think I answered that in this video with the 4 points. Is there something I missed or you need clarification on?
@@photoshopcafe I am asking Without Internet! NO access to Adobe servers. To rephrase the question. You say @1:14 No3 that Remove does not require internet? therefore what is the difference between Remove tool & CAF tool? as neither require internet!
I assume that Remove is just a new and enhanced version of CAF. Is this the case?
You sik em Rex!
lol
very understandable explanation
great! glad to hear it