I took my 22year nephew for a drive in my 2012 hard top Defender the other day around the south west corner of western Australia.He said it was his dream vehicle and I asked him why because as I dont even know why I love these things.He said "its got form" I dont know what that meant but he loved the drive.He is very dissapointed because he can only drive automatic vehicles and is determined to buy a Defender and get his Manual drivers licence.He is totally hooked ,I could not believe his enthusiasum. One thing I have noticed, more females are always interested than males when my Defender is parked and sparks a conversation. 👍👍👍
I'm the original proud owner of two series Land Rovers. 1957 Series 1 diesel 86" wheel base. 1965 Series 2A diesel station wagon 109". The series 1 Land Rover is driven regularly. The series 2A is in for a repowering. It's love hate relationship with them. However they're part of the family. I'm enjoying your videos, and you're right. Us Land Rover owners stick together. It's a travesty and shame they stopped making the true "ICONS" of the four wheel drive world. Safe travels and journeys . Greetings from Florida and The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I liked the parting comment on this episode. I'm retired now, but have decided to take the road less travelled in my 4WD. When I was working, a 4WD was an essential piece of kit with basic equipment (winch, recovery gear, bullbar and decent tyres. UHF was also mandatory). As a patreon contributor, I'm looking forward to future episodes....keep up the good work Andrew.
Hi Andrew, I know your experience with land rovers but I do disagree with the view that land rovers especially the defenders are inherently unreliable. I own a series 2a 109 which is now 44 years old and I have never had a break down in it in the 3 years ownership or 13,000 miles it's done in my ownership. It has had a hard life being military until '86 and then going through 12 previous owners who used it as a farm hack or off-roader. I enjoy working on it but that doesn't mean it's broken. All Land Rover owners like working on there vehicle and I don't know if that's where part of the unreliability stems from. Because there is a huge difference between fixing a broken vehicle or working on a vehicle to improve it as a labour of love. All land rovers are machines and need servicing like any other car but a Land Rover has always been seen as much more than a car in terms of being more capable and tougher. I think this leads to a lot of people skimping on servicing of oils and filters as well as cleaning and protecting the chassis when it's been covered in mud or road salt like in England. Eventually all these problems catch up and then the vehicle is deemed unreliable or poorly built. Any vehicle subject to a lack of maintenance or looking after will be unreliable. But because Land Rovers are extremely utilitarian when compared to other models in the same class I do believe people aren't as worried about cleaning it off after it's been off-road or oil changes if they've been wading or regular servicing. Another issue is pattern parts that are made so cheaply they fail after a matter of weeks which isn't land rovers fault but more the tightness of the owners wallet. This is my opinion on it. A lot of what is said is true in the video I just disagree with the view that land rovers of all types are unreliable. But another great video nonetheless
Mr Spookyluckey: You have just outline my exact thoughts, it would appear that once the owners of lesser vehicles get on their bandwagon about the reliability of Land Rovers they will not be swayed, I like you have owned a number of Land Rovers and have yet to have any kind of breakdown, given that my present TD5 has now covered over 150,000miles I think that can be classed as total reliability, maybe it is a touch of envy on the part of these arm chair critics, as was stated on the video, a huge percentage of Land Rovers are still giving good service, even though many of them only get looked at when, unserviced, they fail, this is no reflection on the reliability of the vehicle, but failure of the owner to follow simple oil change and service , the part about the pattern made parts is very good, how can we expect these parts at a fraction of the real cost to perform, but of course the Land Rover gets the blame, not the person that fitted it!
Ex aust army landies havent had that hard a life. I worked on one in the early 80s at 2 base that was early 60s issue and had maaaybe 15,000 miles on the clock. They dont actually do much work. Lots of them sitting around in a base not being used.
I think the best overland vehicle is the one you know, the one you are familiar with, you know how it has been serviced and looked after. What spares to take. I like land rovers, mostly the leaf sprung ones. Easy to adapt to exactly what you want, easy to get parts (but some aftermarket stuff is crap) I've owned all the popular and proper 4x4s apart from Jeep. You can see some on my channel. My favourite or go to 4x4 is a 460 G wagen with OM617LA power. If I lived in the southern hemisphere I would probably have a 60 or 70 series with a 12HT engine. If I had to go to a showroom and buy brand new right now I would get a Mercedes Sprinter 4x4.
In Norway, motor vehicles are banned from the "outback".. Even snowmobiles in the winter... Only on private ground or designated paths and registered meet-ups may be granted access to the outback.. Really sad.
The Land Rover cult are funny people, I dont mean that in a bad way. When I was looking into what might be a fitting 4x4 for me I talked to all kinds of owners, first Land rover owners because they are just known as the off-road thing. But all, and I do mean all, even the most fanatical Land Rover lover, when told of what I wanted, very light off-road and reliability as the main importance, all told me to not get a land Rover but a pre 1990 Landcruiser. A common thing they said was that they loved their cars, but when on expedition it was nice to have a LandCruiser to go pick up the parts for the broken Land Rovers. I found that funny
At 3.08 you mention that you spent a long time under your 71 range rover. Im intrigued to know what went wrong with it as my 71 range rover has performed very well over the last 27 years i have owned it. It has a manual fuel pump and only three fuses. There's nothing to go wrong! I have also driven most of the newer 4x4s and although capable they also have faults. Recently in south Queensland i saw a Prado on the back of a tow truck with a particularly annoyed owner. The keyless start system had malfunctioned and the car had to be taken 600km to Townsville to be "reprogrammed". Every modern electronic system can fail, its just the fact that you have to live with on a more modern car. At 6.00 they discuss "modern electronics" this is common to all newer cars and there are many identical (from same manufacturer ie, Denso, Delphi, Mistsubishi, Siemens to name a few) components that are used by both Toyotas and LRs not to mention BMW, Mercedes, etc, etc etc. Gone are the days when the manufacturer made every part of the car. I just dont buy the idea that one kit of parts is more reliable than another. If LRs are so rubbish why do people still buy them ???
IN a word. Everything. Not one major component changed other than axle diffs. But them again, I was in Africa, and using it on expeditions. They really took it out of the vehicle. But please watch my new Range Rover video. It will she more light on my Range Rover adventures. th-cam.com/video/gHF-QVWCYNs/w-d-xo.html
+Aaron Kress Land Rover owners think that they have a monopoly on "the wave." It is and has been "a Jeep Thing" for many years! I am however, not going to wave at anyone driving a Compass - the ugliest car ever made. Especially the black ones with tinted windows, white-walled, low-profiled tyres and a tissue box in the back window!!
@@neil5587 Yea and living in the States I've never seen the Land Rover wave. It's regional, seems to me. The Jeep wave is mainly in the States also the wave that all Bikers give each other.
Jeep wave , Corvette wave, Porsche flash Ferrari flash. Land Rover owners do not have the monopoly on camaraderie. In the US we never really got the defender. But we have the Jeep . Old or new new, modified or stock, there is a camaraderie. As much as I like and respect the old 88s, 109s, 90s, 110s, and Defenders, we can’t overlook that the first Land Rover was Wilkes’ copy of his own Jeep. Yes LR has history, and Jeeps history goes back to October 1941, when the first military vehicle was delivered. Land Rover has abandoned the people who swore buy (and at) them. Jeep has not. To anyone who does not think a Jeep is a suitable Overland vehicle, ask Dan Grec at “the road chose me” , or Chris Schoz, at “Venture 4wd.
Toyota is the ultimate simply bcause if im going long distant cross borders, u can bet on getting spares anywhere i go. Also parts are guaranteed to be available 15yrs down t road.
I think there's a lot of jealousy that the 'Land Rover cult' exists. Other 4x4's are pretty dull and non de-script with no quirks of ownership, no heritage or history and it makes them a bit soulless! I also think that if other 4x4's were rebuilt and kept going as long as your average Land Rover then you might see better comparisons with regard to reliability and issues. How many Toyota or Jeep nut and bolt re-builds do you compared to Land Rover? I'm currently running a modified 4 year old TDCi 110. Re-mapped and equipped for short overland use. The only problems I've had with it in 4 years of hard use are those I've caused myself with bad maintenance. The Land Rover encourages the have a go mechanics and there the problems start!
lowrangers2012 If a Jeep is soulless, then Land Rover which is modeled after Jeep is too. Lot's of people do frame off restorations of Jeeps. All 4WD makers have a solid following that can't see following any other. Whatever. In the beginning there was Jeep and everyone wanted a piece of the market share so they made one like it. Then they wanted to be different, so they made changes like any other motor vehicle.
57WillysCJ I love it when a Jeep fan throws that old chestnut in! I mean how far would you go...... The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that’s the way they built them in England, and English expatriates designed the U.S. railroads.Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that’s the gauge they used.Why did ‘they’ use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that’s the spacing of the wheel ruts.So, who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Therefore, the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. In other words, bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a specification, procedure, or process, and wonder, ‘What horse’s ass came up with this?’, you may be exactly right. Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses. When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, you will notice that there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fueltank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah.The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit larger, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses’ behinds.So a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse’s ass.
I have no idea what you are blathering about. I just said that people do restore Jeeps and they were the first unless you count the ones built by the Badger FWD company. The Centre Steer built by Wilks used a Jeep frame and axles. The main chestnut's thrown out by people like you that brag about heritage conveniently forget the beginning. It seems to scare you to admit that fact as you go about vilifying others. Personally I have respect for what other companies have accomplished. I do have a preference but not to slam others as your posts seem to do.
57WillysCJ you said so much more though didn't you? I used a point in history to demonstrate things move on so dramatically it becomes foolish to compare. I wonder what the ratio of Land Rover re-builds is to Jeep or perhaps every other 4x4 make of note combined. I can guess the answer to that! I'm not sure how I'm vilifying anything. I can't quite read anything in my original comment that is a criticism. I'm actually agreeing with the bloke and suggesting why the Land Rover cult might be. I think it's pretty hard to argue that a Land Rover has quirks of ownership and whilst you can troll through history to find the 'modeled on' sentence I think it's also equally clear the Defender is a different beast now and has been for many years
So I am a troll for pointing out a difference of opinion to your post. What is the problem of mentioning Jeep is the basis for all SUVs. It's a historical fact and not ancient history. You said Jeeps are soulless and I disagreed. Ask any WWII vet if the Jeep he drove was soulless. You also continue to question how many people restore Jeeps. I told you they do. I say that as a person who restores his Jeeps. I take you haven't been to a Willys reunion or rally and yet you know all there is to know. As to modeled on concept, When your first vehicle made has Jeep axles and frame it's hard to say those axles and frame where modeled on a Jeep. Even Wilks the original designer had know problem with the acknowledgement. Frankly I won't waste any more time on you.
Adriaan Cilliers: I would not bother listening to the bleating morons about reliability,or lack of it, on Land Rovers, I have driven mine , (a 2003 Defender), over 150,000 miles without any kind of problem, and apart from fitting a new battery and of course tyres have had no reliability issues at all, other 4x4 makes do seem to have a lot of problems with electronics, but most owners keep very quiet about those, the only difference to standard is a different chip, it keeps going through the hottest summers at 45 deg C, and the winter at minus 20 C. I think you will like them.
Englishman French what part of the world though? Here in Africa with the extreme heat and bad road conditions the Landys are more in the repair shop than on the road.
The Ford Bronco beat the Range Rover by a couple years. It was a stylish, streetable answer to the Jeep. Jeep owners have their own wave for when passing each other. 4WD vehicles show us humans, be it European, American, or Asian, are not so different. We love our machines despite their quirks and want to explore the creation God gave us.
Stewart Murray I was also irritated with the lack of space for my right arm, until I visited Ghana. My arm was cut off. After this experience I loved my 110 even more. Thanks machete man!
Listening to that conversation my conclusion is the defender manufacturer has committed a crime by altering the body Works or the rather the shape of the lR how will military machine without the front screen look like no wonder the engineers saw that fault and have invented the ineos grenadiers which is going to push the new defender into extinction
Nothing like pulling an LR driver up, out, over and through everything on a trail, helping them fix their junk in the bush and then... hearing about how "superior" their trucks are at off-road travel and over-landing :rolleyes: "LR Driver will go out in the bush... other 4x4 drivers will do office work and drive in traffic..." That's because us "Other people" with our TOYOTAS CAN in fact drive our vehicles out into the bush and then drive them daily as well. These people are beyond delusional. "The Bush" is more Landcruisers then anything else no matter what legends LR drivers like to tell around their separate from everyone else camp-fire. That said, I am very sad to see that LR is replacing the Defender here sooner then later with another yuppy POS with 4-wheel Ind. Suspension (like the now ruined Nissan Patrol) made for all the soccer moms instead of truck users. While I'd never own one, I find the Defender and other older solid-axle Rovers very charming and "neat" in a way that's very unique to LR... {sigh} Another one bites the dust. Thankfully Toyota (and Mercedes to a small degree) are still making their amazing trucks so we can all get out to these amazing places... AND come back home in the same vehicle. Now if you'll excuse me I believe I hear my buddy calling to ask if I'll come help him replace a 10-spline axle-shaft on his Rover.
Englishman French Suck it up buttercup... clearly you dont know kuch about 4wds. The best thing a LR driver can take on a wheeling trip... is a friend with a Toyota to save him WHEN he breaks down or gets stuck...
Used to own a landy. Theyre overrated , uncomfortable unreliable and unnecasarily expensive as shittttt. The owners who talk about them have no inclination how other 4wds are a million times better. The older landys are still good workhorses, but the new ones are just plain shiite.
+Ding Dong agreed in the sense it that any land rover made after 1998 (i think thats when they brought in the td5 is shite), expense of them depends greatly on where you are, uncomfortable yes, unreliable personal experience suggests land rovers are conscious beings as mine only breaks down when my dad drives it (who has loathed it since the moment i bought it) and I'm not with him, every other 4x4 four is a millions times better in all probability but for me the landy gives that little something extra that all the better 4x4s i have driven don't. 88 series 3.
Yeah..people dont take a dig at Pajero's and Toyota's. There is a very simple reason for that. They perform flawlessly over years and years are incredibly reliable and capable off and on road! NOT because we are jealous of 'Landie' owners..but because i honestly feel sorry that you are so deluded. There is a 2008 Range Rover HSE TDV8 in my family with 66,000 kms and a 2009 Toyota Fortuner with 1,70,000 kms. The Toyota has NEVER broken down whereas the Range Rover does so on pretty much every occasion its taken out of town and costs a bomb to repair. I dont think Land Rover should be proud of this and its owners should stop being so deluded and be proud of this below par quality. Dont get me wrong.. they are great looking, classy, capable and classy but so utterly unreliable and expensive to maintain one constanly feels one is at the butt of a very distasteful and expensive joke. I only trust my life with the Toyota.
Wilson: And now made by an Indian based company, what can we expect, that said, I have never had a break down of any sort in my Range Rover, but that is from 2003.
Must admit - I've owned two Landrover Discoveries - prior to that Land- Cruiser and Nissan - My discoveries have certainly had their moments but I just like them. I can afford to go buy a reliable 'appliance' if I wish - but I enjoy the character of my Landrover - If that's OK with you. However, if I was going to buy an utterly reliable never break down always get me everywhere without so much as a hiccup 'appliance' - then I'd probably look at ummmm.....is there something that isn't boring that will do all that?
I took my 22year nephew for a drive in my 2012 hard top Defender the other day around the south west corner of western Australia.He said it was his dream vehicle and I asked him why because as I dont even know why I love these things.He said "its got form" I dont know what that meant but he loved the drive.He is very dissapointed because he can only drive automatic vehicles and is determined to buy a Defender and get his Manual drivers licence.He is totally hooked ,I could not believe his enthusiasum.
One thing I have noticed, more females are always interested than males when my Defender is parked and sparks a conversation. 👍👍👍
Non Landrover Owners will never understand Landrover Owners....that's just the way it is!
The longest Toyota advertisement I have ever watched.
Thank you for sharing. I watched all the way through.
Ade Larsen yayaya, call me when u get stuck or run out of fuel
@@conservation4africa293 Why would he? The Fuel gauge in Toyota's actually fucking work.
How come the Land Rover defender always gets the most views- best 4x4xfar
I'm the original proud owner of two series Land Rovers.
1957 Series 1 diesel 86" wheel base.
1965 Series 2A diesel station wagon 109".
The series 1 Land Rover is driven regularly. The series 2A is in for a repowering.
It's love hate relationship with them. However they're part of the family.
I'm enjoying your videos, and you're right. Us Land Rover owners stick together.
It's a travesty and shame they stopped making the true "ICONS" of the four wheel drive world.
Safe travels and journeys .
Greetings from Florida and The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
I liked the parting comment on this episode. I'm retired now, but have decided to take the road less travelled in my 4WD. When I was working, a 4WD was an essential piece of kit with basic equipment (winch, recovery gear, bullbar and decent tyres. UHF was also mandatory). As a patreon contributor, I'm looking forward to future episodes....keep up the good work Andrew.
Land Rover Defender, Toyota Hilux and Land Cruiser Great vehicles. History is proof of this. Thanks Andrew for your work.
Hi Andrew,
I know your experience with land rovers but I do disagree with the view that land rovers especially the defenders are inherently unreliable. I own a series 2a 109 which is now 44 years old and I have never had a break down in it in the 3 years ownership or 13,000 miles it's done in my ownership. It has had a hard life being military until '86 and then going through 12 previous owners who used it as a farm hack or off-roader. I enjoy working on it but that doesn't mean it's broken. All Land Rover owners like working on there vehicle and I don't know if that's where part of the unreliability stems from. Because there is a huge difference between fixing a broken vehicle or working on a vehicle to improve it as a labour of love.
All land rovers are machines and need servicing like any other car but a Land Rover has always been seen as much more than a car in terms of being more capable and tougher. I think this leads to a lot of people skimping on servicing of oils and filters as well as cleaning and protecting the chassis when it's been covered in mud or road salt like in England. Eventually all these problems catch up and then the vehicle is deemed unreliable or poorly built. Any vehicle subject to a lack of maintenance or looking after will be unreliable. But because Land Rovers are extremely utilitarian when compared to other models in the same class I do believe people aren't as worried about cleaning it off after it's been off-road or oil changes if they've been wading or regular servicing.
Another issue is pattern parts that are made so cheaply they fail after a matter of weeks which isn't land rovers fault but more the tightness of the owners wallet. This is my opinion on it. A lot of what is said is true in the video I just disagree with the view that land rovers of all types are unreliable. But another great video nonetheless
Mr Spookyluckey: You have just outline my exact thoughts, it would appear that once the owners of lesser vehicles get on their bandwagon about the reliability of Land Rovers they will not be swayed, I like you have owned a number of Land Rovers and have yet to have any kind of breakdown, given that my present TD5 has now covered over 150,000miles I think that can be classed as total reliability, maybe it is a touch of envy on the part of these arm chair critics, as was stated on the video, a huge percentage of Land Rovers are still giving good service, even though many of them only get looked at when, unserviced, they fail, this is no reflection on the reliability of the vehicle, but failure of the owner to follow simple oil change and service , the part about the pattern made parts is very good, how can we expect these parts at a fraction of the real cost to perform, but of course the Land Rover gets the blame, not the person that fitted it!
Ex aust army landies havent had that hard a life. I worked on one in the early 80s at 2 base that was early 60s issue and had maaaybe 15,000 miles on the clock. They dont actually do much work. Lots of them sitting around in a base not being used.
@@sugarnads " Lots of them sitting around in a base not being used." which is probably even worse for a vehicle
I think the best overland vehicle is the one you know, the one you are familiar with, you know how it has been serviced and looked after. What spares to take. I like land rovers, mostly the leaf sprung ones. Easy to adapt to exactly what you want, easy to get parts (but some aftermarket stuff is crap) I've owned all the popular and proper 4x4s apart from Jeep. You can see some on my channel. My favourite or go to 4x4 is a 460 G wagen with OM617LA power. If I lived in the southern hemisphere I would probably have a 60 or 70 series with a 12HT engine. If I had to go to a showroom and buy brand new right now I would get a Mercedes Sprinter 4x4.
In Norway, motor vehicles are banned from the "outback".. Even snowmobiles in the winter... Only on private ground or designated paths and registered meet-ups may be granted access to the outback.. Really sad.
The Land Rover cult are funny people, I dont mean that in a bad way.
When I was looking into what might be a fitting 4x4 for me I talked to all kinds of owners, first Land rover owners because they are just known as the off-road thing.
But all, and I do mean all, even the most fanatical Land Rover lover, when told of what I wanted, very light off-road and reliability as the main importance, all told me to not get a land Rover but a pre 1990 Landcruiser.
A common thing they said was that they loved their cars, but when on expedition it was nice to have a LandCruiser to go pick up the parts for the broken Land Rovers.
I found that funny
It's funny because it's true.
At 3.08 you mention that you spent a long time under your 71 range rover. Im intrigued to know what went wrong with it as my 71 range rover has performed very well over the last 27 years i have owned it. It has a manual fuel pump and only three fuses. There's nothing to go wrong!
I have also driven most of the newer 4x4s and although capable they also have faults.
Recently in south Queensland i saw a Prado on the back of a tow truck with a particularly annoyed owner. The keyless start system had malfunctioned and the car had to be taken 600km to Townsville to be "reprogrammed". Every modern electronic system can fail, its just the fact that you have to live with on a more modern car.
At 6.00 they discuss "modern electronics" this is common to all newer cars and there are many identical (from same manufacturer ie, Denso, Delphi, Mistsubishi, Siemens to name a few) components that are used by both Toyotas and LRs not to mention BMW, Mercedes, etc, etc etc. Gone are the days when the manufacturer made every part of the car.
I just dont buy the idea that one kit of parts is more reliable than another.
If LRs are so rubbish why do people still buy them ???
IN a word. Everything. Not one major component changed other than axle diffs. But them again, I was in Africa, and using it on expeditions. They really took it out of the vehicle. But please watch my new Range Rover video. It will she more light on my Range Rover adventures. th-cam.com/video/gHF-QVWCYNs/w-d-xo.html
One guy said you don't see Jeeps waving to each other.... ummmm what? The Jeep wave is quite famous lol
+Aaron Kress Land Rover owners think that they have a monopoly on "the wave." It is and has been "a Jeep Thing" for many years! I am however, not going to wave at anyone driving a Compass - the ugliest car ever made. Especially the black ones with tinted windows, white-walled, low-profiled tyres and a tissue box in the back window!!
@@neil5587 Yea and living in the States I've never seen the Land Rover wave. It's regional, seems to me. The Jeep wave is mainly in the States also the wave that all Bikers give each other.
Jeep wave , Corvette wave, Porsche flash Ferrari flash. Land Rover owners do not have the monopoly on camaraderie.
In the US we never really got the defender. But we have the Jeep . Old or new new, modified or stock, there is a camaraderie. As much as I like and respect the old 88s, 109s, 90s, 110s, and Defenders, we can’t overlook that the first Land Rover was Wilkes’ copy of his own Jeep. Yes LR has history, and Jeeps history goes back to October 1941, when the first military vehicle was delivered.
Land Rover has abandoned the people who swore buy (and at) them. Jeep has not.
To anyone who does not think a Jeep is a suitable Overland vehicle, ask Dan Grec at “the road chose me” , or Chris Schoz, at “Venture 4wd.
electronics in 4x4 cause more problems cant fix them and are costly which is what the company selling them wants.
tl;dr, buy a Rubicon Unlimited and call it a day. D44s, Lockers, and coil springs, and ohhhh that aftermarket.
Sounds boring
can you get a unichip for the disco1 v8?
Toyota is the ultimate simply bcause if im going long distant cross borders, u can bet on getting spares anywhere i go. Also parts are guaranteed to be available 15yrs down t road.
Next question : what do you think about this new 2020 Defender ?
already know the answer :)
You've missed a few videos . . .
I Love the land rover series 3 lwb and the 110
I think there's a lot of jealousy that the 'Land Rover cult' exists. Other 4x4's are pretty dull and non de-script with no quirks of ownership, no heritage or history and it makes them a bit soulless! I also think that if other 4x4's were rebuilt and kept going as long as your average Land Rover then you might see better comparisons with regard to reliability and issues. How many Toyota or Jeep nut and bolt re-builds do you compared to Land Rover?
I'm currently running a modified 4 year old TDCi 110. Re-mapped and equipped for short overland use. The only problems I've had with it in 4 years of hard use are those I've caused myself with bad maintenance. The Land Rover encourages the have a go mechanics and there the problems start!
lowrangers2012 If a Jeep is soulless, then Land Rover which is modeled after Jeep is too. Lot's of people do frame off restorations of Jeeps. All 4WD makers have a solid following that can't see following any other. Whatever. In the beginning there was Jeep and everyone wanted a piece of the market share so they made one like it. Then they wanted to be different, so they made changes like any other motor vehicle.
57WillysCJ I love it when a Jeep fan throws that old chestnut in! I mean how far would you go......
The U.S. standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That’s an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that’s the way they built them in England, and English expatriates designed the U.S. railroads.Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that’s the gauge they used.Why did ‘they’ use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they had used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that’s the spacing of the wheel ruts.So, who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (including England) for their legions. Those roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of
destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. Therefore, the United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. In other words, bureaucracies live forever.
So the next time you are handed a specification, procedure, or process, and wonder, ‘What horse’s ass came up with this?’, you may be exactly right. Imperial Roman army chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the rear ends of two war horses. When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, you will notice that there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fueltank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah.The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit larger, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains, and the SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses’ behinds.So a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world’s most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse’s ass.
I have no idea what you are blathering about. I just said that people do restore Jeeps and they were the first unless you count the ones built by the Badger FWD company. The Centre Steer built by Wilks used a Jeep frame and axles. The main chestnut's thrown out by people like you that brag about heritage conveniently forget the beginning. It seems to scare you to admit that fact as you go about vilifying others. Personally I have respect for what other companies have accomplished. I do have a preference but not to slam others as your posts seem to do.
57WillysCJ you said so much more though didn't you? I used a point in history to demonstrate things move on so dramatically it becomes foolish to compare. I wonder what the ratio of Land Rover re-builds is to Jeep or perhaps every other 4x4 make of note combined. I can guess the answer to that! I'm not sure how I'm vilifying anything. I can't quite read anything in my original comment that is a criticism. I'm actually agreeing with the bloke and suggesting why the Land Rover cult might be. I think it's pretty hard to argue that a Land Rover has quirks of ownership and whilst you can troll through history to find the 'modeled on' sentence I think it's also equally clear the Defender is a different beast now and has been for many years
So I am a troll for pointing out a difference of opinion to your post. What is the problem of mentioning Jeep is the basis for all SUVs. It's a historical fact and not ancient history. You said Jeeps are soulless and I disagreed. Ask any WWII vet if the Jeep he drove was soulless. You also continue to question how many people restore Jeeps. I told you they do. I say that as a person who restores his Jeeps. I take you haven't been to a Willys reunion or rally and yet you know all there is to know. As to modeled on concept, When your first vehicle made has Jeep axles and frame it's hard to say those axles and frame where modeled on a Jeep. Even Wilks the original designer had know problem with the acknowledgement. Frankly I won't waste any more time on you.
And then he de-converted from the Land rover religion and became a Toyota atheist.
I LOVE my HZJ 75
Ah the good old days.
The one thing keeping me from buying Landy is because I like reliable vehicles...There is simply too much stories about Landrovers being unreliable..
Adriaan Cilliers using 1973 series 3, it is reliable
+Adriaan Cilliers I think that series Land Rovers are much more reliable than Defenders simply because there is nothing to go wrong
Adriaan Cilliers: I would not bother listening to the bleating morons about reliability,or lack of it, on Land Rovers, I have driven mine , (a 2003 Defender), over 150,000 miles without any kind of problem, and apart from fitting a new battery and of course tyres have had no reliability issues at all, other 4x4 makes do seem to have a lot of problems with electronics, but most owners keep very quiet about those, the only difference to standard is a different chip, it keeps going through the hottest summers at 45 deg C, and the winter at minus 20 C. I think you will like them.
Englishman French what part of the world though? Here in Africa with the extreme heat and bad road conditions the Landys are more in the repair shop than on the road.
Peter Clark How do you guys find the Nissan Navaras these days? Do they stand up to the Landys?
The Ford Bronco beat the Range Rover by a couple years. It was a stylish, streetable answer to the Jeep. Jeep owners have their own wave for when passing each other. 4WD vehicles show us humans, be it European, American, or Asian, are not so different. We love our machines despite their quirks and want to explore the creation God gave us.
Amazing off road but awful to drive. No interior space for its size and no where to put your right arm!
Stewart Murray I was also irritated with the lack of space for my right arm, until I visited Ghana. My arm was cut off. After this experience I loved my 110 even more. Thanks machete man!
GreatToastMigration What did he use a spyderco delica?
Aichmo It was a Spyderco Ladybug. :'(
* spyderco bug hehehehehe
took about 5-6 hours
Listening to that conversation my conclusion is the defender manufacturer has committed a crime by altering the body Works or the rather the shape of the lR how will military machine without the front screen look like no wonder the engineers saw that fault and have invented the ineos grenadiers which is going to push the new defender into extinction
Landy,s are getting very collectible these days old one,s were the best , this electronic stuff is no good it will fail.If you go into water.
Its all over now-Game Over!The modern way wins:(
The bit between 14:08 and 15:18 is so cringe...
Cheers
Rust buckets
Nothing like pulling an LR driver up, out, over and through everything on a trail, helping them fix their junk in the bush and then... hearing about how "superior" their trucks are at off-road travel and over-landing :rolleyes:
"LR Driver will go out in the bush... other 4x4 drivers will do office work and drive in traffic..." That's because us "Other people" with our TOYOTAS CAN in fact drive our vehicles out into the bush and then drive them daily as well. These people are beyond delusional. "The Bush" is more Landcruisers then anything else no matter what legends LR drivers like to tell around their separate from everyone else camp-fire.
That said, I am very sad to see that LR is replacing the Defender here sooner then later with another yuppy POS with 4-wheel Ind. Suspension (like the now ruined Nissan Patrol) made for all the soccer moms instead of truck users. While I'd never own one, I find the Defender and other older solid-axle Rovers very charming and "neat" in a way that's very unique to LR... {sigh} Another one bites the dust. Thankfully Toyota (and Mercedes to a small degree) are still making their amazing trucks so we can all get out to these amazing places... AND come back home in the same vehicle.
Now if you'll excuse me I believe I hear my buddy calling to ask if I'll come help him replace a 10-spline axle-shaft on his Rover.
Nor Wester: Dream on with you delusions.
Englishman French Suck it up buttercup... clearly you dont know kuch about 4wds. The best thing a LR driver can take on a wheeling trip... is a friend with a Toyota to save him WHEN he breaks down or gets stuck...
Used to own a landy. Theyre overrated , uncomfortable unreliable and unnecasarily expensive as shittttt. The owners who talk about them have no inclination how other 4wds are a million times better. The older landys are still good workhorses, but the new ones are just plain shiite.
+Ding Dong agreed in the sense it that any land rover made after 1998 (i think thats when they brought in the td5 is shite), expense of them depends greatly on where you are, uncomfortable yes, unreliable personal experience suggests land rovers are conscious beings as mine only breaks down when my dad drives it (who has loathed it since the moment i bought it) and I'm not with him, every other 4x4 four is a millions times better in all probability but for me the landy gives that little something extra that all the better 4x4s i have driven don't. 88 series 3.
Yeah..people dont take a dig at Pajero's and Toyota's. There is a very simple reason for that. They perform flawlessly over years and years are incredibly reliable and capable off and on road!
NOT because we are jealous of 'Landie' owners..but because i honestly feel sorry that you are so deluded.
There is a 2008 Range Rover HSE TDV8 in my family with 66,000 kms and a 2009 Toyota Fortuner with 1,70,000 kms. The Toyota has NEVER broken down whereas the Range Rover does so on pretty much every occasion its taken out of town and costs a bomb to repair.
I dont think Land Rover should be proud of this and its owners should stop being so deluded and be proud of this below par quality.
Dont get me wrong.. they are great looking, classy, capable and classy but so utterly unreliable and expensive to maintain one constanly feels one is at the butt of a very distasteful and expensive joke.
I only trust my life with the Toyota.
You base your opinion on a 2008 Range Rover? But they're shit and nothing like Series or Defenders.
Wilson: And now made by an Indian based company, what can we expect, that said, I have never had a break down of any sort in my Range Rover, but that is from 2003.
Must admit - I've owned two Landrover Discoveries - prior to that Land- Cruiser and Nissan - My discoveries have certainly had their moments but I just like them. I can afford to go buy a reliable 'appliance' if I wish - but I enjoy the character of my Landrover - If that's OK with you. However, if I was going to buy an utterly reliable never break down always get me everywhere without so much as a hiccup 'appliance' - then I'd probably look at ummmm.....is there something that isn't boring that will do all that?
Ask pajero owners about auto boxes and tailshafts...