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I know you probably won't see this, but just in case you do and have time to respond. I'm wondering what you think of meditation where you try to focus on nothing, no sensory information, no thoughts, just an internal emptiness you create inside, that couldn't possibly exist outside your head. I learned this meditation while reading notes by Bruce Lee and it's the one I practice the most when I remember to meditate, though it is difficult.
Based solely off of the thumbnail, I'm assuming this video is about concentrating my power through meditation until I turn into a lich, and frankly, I'm here for that.
Anecdotally, when I meditate I'm usually spending the first 20 minutes clearing the mind of daily distractions, then 20 minutes "settling into" my body scan routine, and 20 minutes fighting the desire to stop meditating. If you only spend 20 minutes just clearing the mind of daily distractions, I could see how that could be pleasant and centering. However, I can also see how going deeper than that can induce dissociation and increase boredom with your surroundings.
Technique is also very important, not all of the reach desired state for everyone. Just started trataka and for me it feels way sharper than Ram chanting, or the listener mode when I first started each.
The biggest issue is becoming open and impressionable, which can lead to both positive or negative transformation. If you aren't in a controlled environment and immediately have your peace jolted by running into disturbing people and events, these experiences can potentially have magnified negative effects. It can really mess you up.
This is why its important first to understand how to properly let go. this step its skipped by many or really poorly understood, Non judgement its a skill that requires a lot of practice. and meditation can get you gains, but if you do too much and you are not fit for it, you will disturb your experience enough and a fatigued mind its dangerous.
Aah DFU mode…when updating the brain’s microcode, one must be preemptive about addressing threats because they will have a direct line to your subconscious if you are in that mode.
yeah, my meditation journey for the past 8 years has been mind boggling.yo-yoing between states of inner peace and boundless love, and then spiralling into an intense yearning to destroy myself and self destruct. i wouldnt exactly say its "dangerous" but its more accurate to say that the growth it evokes in you is very painful. but worth it, i think.
I did even realize just relaxing witnessing your thought with out judgment was form of meditation let alone open meditation. I've gotten pretty good at no judgment over the past 7 years.
O dang I just thought that was me practicing being kinder to myself (by not being to judge every thought I have). Nice to know it counts as meditation too!
This is very validating. When I started meditating I would cry from just a 5 minute guided meditation video, so I thought to myself clearly I have a lot of unprocessed trauma, let me do this slowly. I still don't really meditate that regularly but when I do it's a lot more grounding. I mostly journal nowadays. (And watch Dr. K videos 😉)
this is common with PTSD. as meditation can open up chronically "tensed" avoidant mechanism from pshycological pain. and this can get extremely overwhelming on PTSD as your body has gone used to shut it down it all or dissociate if it got overwhelming. meditation can open up this doors but if you are not ready to not judge what you feel or you do it too much, it might be too intense and overwhelming, thus triggering you
I really appreciate the intersection of psychology and spirituality discussions on this channel. I would also love to see videos that address how people with religious trauma specifically can safely navigate these issues. I'm a former member of a cult and a therapist I work with advised against doing any activities that would be reminders of the religious practices from that group, this includes, to some extent, formalized meditation techniques. Although I find a more secularized mindfulness practice be very helpful. More on this topic would be amazing to hear!
We need a complete guide to meditation, beginner to master, types of meditation, breakdowns on what each meditation is, the history of each one, combinations, etc. I'm talking encyclopedia levels of it. Every time I watch one of your videos on the issue, I have to google a billion things out of curiosity and now I have to also be weary of the side effects on top. Halp.
There is a few Buddist meditaion and yoga centres with excellent teachers who give talks on meditation and guide practices, combined with initiating people into a spiritual way of life
@@HealthyGamerGG yeah yeah. Depends on how you define good. Good money for you, for me it's unaffordable, and I don't doubt the quality of your content. It's just inaccessible.
@@jimskeuh Why bother reading guides? Close your eyes and you're already doing everything they could tell you. But you might want to hear from someone more experienced rather than randomly trying something yourself. And you might want to hear from someone who shares their experience rather than an anonymous source.
This blew my mind, thankyou. I finally have something to go to my therapist about in regards to open awareness being a dangerous thing for me. I had no idea what open awareness meditation even was, but I was doing it whilst going on my daily walk, suddenly a whole range of hurtful, brutal, disturbing thoughts came up that my mind put a block on to save me from the pain(as you described).I was in the foster system, so it was necessary for survival, It resulted in a derealization/depersonalization episode that landed me in the ER, the worst I've ever had(I thought I was never going to get out of it). As a result I was diagnosed with CPTSD. Powerful stuff, but if the blocking is already there and you are aware of it, I would 100 percent recommend you do it with a professional if you must do it. Thanks for what you do, really, it has changed my life in so many ways.
The whole process of this sounds somewhat like meditation is just the mind’s equivalent to what physical workouts are for the physical body. Essentially: if you haven’t worked out for a while, and you suddenly try to work out really intensely for over 30 minutes, then you’re a lot more likely to get an injury than you would be if you’ve consistently been training for a while. As far as the mind is concerned, it seems as if you’re someone who all of a sudden has the epiphany that you need to start doing meditation (but have no previous practice) and you start trying to meditate for like 30+ minutes, you’re probably going to get more likely to have a mental breakdown before you actually start feeling better
Great comment and insight. It's RARE (in my experience) to find truly deep-thinking comments on TH-cam. Great to see, and after reading this it makes some really good sense.
I went through this period in which I forced myself to focus exactly on the things that caused me emotional pain. It was really uncomfortable and I felt a ton of shame, but eventually those ideas lost their power almost completely. I do that now every time something happens to me that I don’t like and I feel free from all the thoughts that I would yank my attention away from previously.
@@reecediaz1700 could you elaborate more on this please? Sometimes I try/want to do the same but I feel like it worsen things. Like I subconsciously and intentionally ‘escape’ the emotional pain when I feel it. I want to confront it but like you said, it’s so uncomfortable to do so. How long did it take for this type of intentional exposure to yield results?
Any thought I had in which my instinct was to yank my attention away from was forcefully brought into my mind in full focus as to “stare” at it. I let each memory replay until each memory lost all of its emotional charge. After 6-8 months I felt “clean”
@@richdias509 It's worth clarifying here that some level of self-sabotage in this area is the default natural state for most of us. I now feel able to attempt things like this, but for most of my life before I started meditating, the majority of my really dark thoughts seemed to operate on a level beyond my reach where I couldn't pin them down like that. I still lose track of some thoughts that I feel could've led to insight. I really like the above explanation, it's just so straightforward. My reply is for anyone thinking "pff yeah, easier said than done." No one's saying it's easy to do. Start small and be patient with yourself. You can gain a sort of momentum with it, because once it works in some capacity, you start to understand and believe that it works. In my experience with intrusive thoughts for example (which to be clear, I never had a super serious problem with), they could only be intrusive if I pushed them away. Once I stopped pushing them away, they were just thoughts and they would pass quickly.
This is a crucial step on meditation that a lot of people skip, learning to be non judgemental means to properly hug pain and being fine with feeling uncomfortable. meditation can really get you in the spot, and people with mental issues or certain ways of thinking are really intolerant to this feelings. thus, meditation will trigger them
If you don’t need to analyze the situation deeper, the only problem is you associate some situation with some intense emotion. Instead of risking anxiety or panic attack etc, you can just moves your eyes left and right that will separate the memory from the emotion, so you can analyze the memory from a more objective point of view later.
Always had peaceful experiences when meditating. Have felt great self-compassion (I’m usually extremely self-critical and self-demanding). I’ve released some grief one time when I gently but suddenly came into a hug with my mother who had passed years prior. The daily life effects have been of better focus, better emotional awareness, and less reactive to my children.
HAH, I’m one of the ones that experienced acute psychosis. Wound up stuck for a week in a psych ward. At the time I was unsure whether I had developed a (lame) super power or if I had broken my brain because I was suddenly getting high as a kite and experiencing euphoria whenever I focused on observing myself from the top of my head. Idk why I decided to do it that way but I did. On the trip to the hospital I had decided I was going to donate my brain to science and I was like “omg I gotta tell Dr K about this!” Anyway it wasn’t just the meditation. Turns out I have Panic Disorder/GAD/OCD and my compulsions were related to therapy, CBT and meditation. 😅
There is probably a good reason why these ancient traditions had you train in an ashram with a master. Gopi Krishna is an interesting case study. He dedicated his life to helping people who spontaneously awakened on their own, like he did, and went through a lot of suffering because of it. His nervous system couldn't handle it. These folks often become incapacitated and unable to function like Ramana when he spontaneously awakened at eleven years old and had to be taken care of for a few years.
I think of meditation as being very similar to other forms of self disciplines, especially exercise or martial arts. It's trying to find the buttons and levers of your internality, and work them in specific ways. Belief systems are, even if nothing "spiritual" about them is true, a framework to mold oneself on and impart communicable ideas on ritual practices (ritual seems to be incredibly important to function in humans, and seems to pop up enough in other intelligent species that I'm inclined to think it's as much an undervalued cognitive need as play is). Like anything that actually has an effect, dosage matters!
I would argue if a belief system is, in fact, that framework, then it contains plenty of spiritual truth. It's just different from scientific truth. Just like spiritual truth tells you nothing about galaxies, atomic weights, or fossil records, scientific truth ultimately has nothing to say on love, fear, or meaning - definitely not on the experiential level where your own existence intersects with those things. Alcoholics who give prayer an honest shot find more success in quitting; just to pick one example containing the problem of a lifetime for a lot of real people. I know you brought this up already, I'm just clarifying the stakes. So which truth do we want, anyway? Is it worth saying that we don't know anything spiritual to be true? I tend to favor my impulse to push back on language like that.
Basically, some forms of deep meditation can dig up the problems from the deepest part of your mind you are afraid to face. If you are not ready to face them, you get clapped. Just like challenging the final boss with a wooden sword. But it is a different story when your high level friend is around to carry you through.
My personal experience with meditation is like this. I started meditating long hours because there were a lot of work/family-related stuff but I couldn’t understand why I am unable to deal with stress and still stressed when I finished my duties. I wanted to do some reflection on my own thoughts so I sat down one holiday and kept addressing all the crap going on in my mind. For each thought, I asked myself “Can I do something about it? If yes, let’s do it after the meditation. If no, let’s just accept it and move on.” With that method I sorted out all my stress in the mind and eventually found what I have been subconsciously blaming myself for. There was one time I made a new friend whom I vibed with so much. We had a lot of fun together and then we reached a conversation where I was so sensitive about her opinion, I started asking her like an interrogation of why she even has that opinion. She got defensive even though she realized what I was pointing out. Her opinion was totally off and she knew it but the way I was asking many questions seemed like I was cornering her until she admitted she had wrong opinion. That’s how our friendship ended and we never talked again. When I calmed down, I knew I was too aggressive with the way I was questioning her opinion. I wanted to apologize but I couldn’t cuz she had blocked me. And then in the past few months, I found her profile again. She has unblocked me but I still didn’t initiate a conversation to apologize. That thought of has been sitting in the back of my mind like I have not been doing something I needed to do. Once I realized that, I let go of my pride and went to send an apology to her. She didn’t even read my texts but I started feeling more peaceful. I could start to feel actually relaxed when it is time to relax. No more unknown shitty feeling. The correlation to this video is that, at that point of realizing what has been bothering me, if I haven’t grown enough to let go of meaningless pride, the mediation could have added more stress to my daily life since I would know the dirt in my mind and I would be somewhat denying to clean it up. That’s why you should do deeper meditations that make you confront the things you have been avoiding, with guidance. Someone who can help you handle the confrontation to your inner-self properly.
I'm learning more from you than all the years of my MA in psychology, and it's all very interesting and important. I think it's useful for everyone to know more about meditation and how to practice it correctly.
This sounds a lot like the common advice given about psychedelics tbh. Depending on your mindset and setting the same thing can either cure treatment resistant mental illnesses or completely destroy a person to the point of long term psychosis. Anything that makes your mind more malleable can be just as detrimental as it is helpful depending on what you do with that malleability. Even simple things like increased body awareness can be grounding but for a person with health anxiety it can trigger a traumatic panic attack.
Start from the bottom chakra and work your way up. Look after your body before you turn to your mind. I have seen people brag about meditation and they are clearly not taking care of their body. They then can't understand why they melt down. There is a famous saying "Trying to meditate without being present in the body is like trying to build a house without foundations." At some point, it will collapse.
how exactly do you take care of your body in this context? Also when you say start from the bottom chakra, you mean fa meditation on your bottom chakra or something else?
I've been suffering from C-PTSD and the dissociation/depersonalization has been a big problem for me. From my experience- Most meditation techniques other than the grounding techniques triggered the dissociation. What I believe happens is that when my mind is calm and I feel detached from it, my mind gravitates towards a state it's familiar with that feels similar which is the dissociated state. It goes like 'Oh This feels new. I feel more comfortable when dissociating and it feels similar anyways, so let's just dissociate.' The worst experience was when I kinda tried Shunya meditation. I didn't mean to try it, but I learnt about it and found it interesting that I thought about the idea deeply, and that was enough to make me to dissociate frequently for few days. x_x It was very unpleasant experience. However, like Dr.K explained in the video, none of the negative affects lasted more than few days. And you never know what would work for you and what wouldn't until you try it by yourself. So I recommend you all to try any meditation technique you find interesting by yourself before you judge it and decide to never try it!
@@azhaz578 There is something called TRE, Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises. To put it very shortly, it's about triggering a shaking response in your muscles that will retrain your nervours system to relax them. I've been implementing it for about half a year now, and it has greatly improved my symptoms. Practically no more flashbacks, or all too terrible mood swings. Mind you, this is after years of therapy, and other things I've tried, such as physio therapy, cryotherapy, simple cold showers, mediation, etc. I'm not a medical professional, and this is just my personal experience. To me, processing my trauma was a lot about learning to trust myself again, so finding what worked for me naturally was part of that process. It's a lot about getting back into your body and your boundaries, but there is, unfortunately, no quick fix. A lot of things that are good for you will feel bad at the beginning, and a lot of things bad for you, will feel good. Take care and all the best
Dr. K, thank you for this video. I've been meaning to get into meditation but I've always wondered if every single kind of meditation is a good for every type of psyche and if some types of individuals shouldn't partake in certain meditative practices. You've really shed a lot of light on this and I thank you for answering a question that's been on my mind for maybe half a year.
I did an in-person guided meditation session recently... but I prefer exhausting thoughts til the thoughts are gone, then turning the thoughts off through a switching between a slowing of thoughts to a thinking through existing sounds, to letting go of the sound
I did a 10-day Vipassana meditation course. One of the worst things I’ve ever done. Didn’t help that I persisted in meditation thinking I was going through some Dark Night. Led me to experience frightening somatic sensations for years even after I stopped meditating. Feelings of energies rushing through my body which felt very pleasant at first so I kept meditating until I started soon having the sensations of floating throughout the day, feelings that spirits were attacking me and that I could hear them running, feelings of wind rushing through my body from passing people or cars, seeing colors more intensely, etc. I live in Japan and came to know that many serious meditation teachers would not conduct courses such as Goenka’s and don’t take on temporary students or ones they haven’t observed for prolonged periods before teaching them the basic things. I think the intensives and the casual practice schools have the potential to do more harm than good. Please be careful and do your research on the lived experiences of people who’ve had negative life changing experiences from meditation before you decide to pursue a practice.
This confirms that my instinct to stop meditation at a certain point when I was going really deep may have been correct. I had this strong sensation that if I had kept going, I would end up psychotic. Reading this and hearing Dr.K speak I think my instinct saved me from a lot of trouble.
Im so sorry to hear this was your experience, I went on one of these as well a few months ago, though my experience was much more positive in the end, il admit I did stop meditations earlier and opened my eyes etc, but I def did the practice, and the somatic aspect was just from my understanding meant to make you understand that experiences are Impermanent they arise and they disappear, which personally I took to heart. But yea def dont force your self, sounds like an uncomfortable experience, I wish you good luck going forward
Are you sure it's meditation to blame here? Maybe it's not really a good method to learn it by going for 10-day intensive variant without proper introduction? You probably were told "it's fine" by the stuff, but hey, there's always people who can risk your health to make some money, right? Not trying to blame you for it in any way, just highlighting some details. Meditation is powerful tool and any powerful tool has to be used carefully and skillfully.
I meditated for years, focused meditation and open awareness meditation. At one point I preferred meditation above being in the world and I found people very boring ( meditation lasted for 2-4 hours) Sometimes I entered a dream like state where I found myself totally relaxed carried away by the waves in the ocean. I totally trusted my meditation experiences. Then one time I was in India near the Ganges when I entered a dream like state were I needed to cross a lake. I went into the lake dove into the waters to investigate and saw many, many orbs ( of fire or made of something bright yellow ) drifting. I went closer to one orb to investigate and landed in hell. I woke up in the present moment crying and in intense pain. I was experiencing un processed childhood experiences. It lasted for weeks. Back in my home country I was unable to work or function. After a while I got some pause and all went back to normal till I encountered another orb, in waking life now bcs after I met the first orb I never meditated again. But now I could handle it better, I just kept on breathing being in the moment. It's still going on after 15+ years. I became more light hearted and not so easily triggered and I there is compassion for myself and others. I wish though that I someone like your channel to support/ guide me through the process, that would have been more easy.
Wow,, this is upper level stuff! Getting actual clinical data on the types of meditation and their risks would involve taking a CEU course and that might not even be as useful and easy to digest as this TH-cam video .-- amazing! Thank you.
There can definitely be negatives to meditation, especially the longer amount of time you spend with yourself and just yourself. Doing the long-form stuff is definitely not for everyone. Sometimes when I get caught up in projects or things I'm working on/focusing on too much, I will take anywhere from an hour to up to a full waking day to reset my balance. I will sit in a quiet room and basically do nothing except accept everything, internalize joy, and be open to those sudden bursts of inspiration and realization when you let the mind wander with an open mind. Doing stuff like that tends to prevent me from burning out and makes me less obsessed about things that are starting to stress me out, but nowadays I only really need to do that for an hour maximum to reap the full benefits. To me that kind of meditation is not about focusing on one thing but focusing on nothing, and becoming aware of the present moment in the process. For me long-form meditation gives me a hard reset when my mind is getting too busy and caught up in impermanent things. I don't do it every day though lol, and I probably wouldn't for some of the reasons you mentioned.
I didn’t want this podcast to end! Thank you for this in-depth explanation of meditation, Dr K…. I recently did Inner Engineering through Sadhguru, and everything you covered is in perfect alignment with the meditation and yoga I learnt through this course. The daily meditation is 20 minutes and it’s focused attention. It’s been an incredible journey so far and I’ve released a ton of emotional baggage, as an ex C- PTSD and depression sufferer. What’s fascinating, is how old memories start to pop up out of nowhere…. Memories that I’d completely forgotten about. I think that the inner engineering process is designed in such a way, that the kundalini rises very slowly, releasing memories of trauma at a pace that is manageable to handle and heal from.
Can you make a video about your scientific perspective on kundalini, potential kundalini awakenings, and how they are different from psychosis, delusional disorder, or mood disorders. Thank you!
Advanced techniques can induce schizoid paranoia and anxiety attacks. But this is when you're tunnel blasting through karma, then you're supposed to go back to the body and integrate the pain, the visions and the hellish experience. This is why you go to a therapist to unpack things. You want to prevent the person jumping out the window.
The depersonalisation and dissociation part makes a lot of sence. I am from germany and during a school trip we visited Auschwitz and looked at the barracks and I distinctly remember seeing a big showcase full of human hair which they preserved. Literal parts of the people that were killed there. It was such a shock to me and I went from having tears in my eyes to completely emotionless, it felt like a switch had been pulled. I remember that detached feeling and how eerie and foreign it felt for me.
A really great practice that was taught to me by another spiritual youtuber called Teal Swan was the "What does this feel like" cycle, where when a feeling or mental image arises, you ask it what it feels like and dissect it with either yourself if your equipped or with someone else in the room. It's essentially Open-Awareness but at least in her video, any negative things are at least resolved once the meditation session ends. I've done it and have come out with some degree of higher understanding, but it could be safe to say that some people just aren't yet equipped to understand rather than judge.
was just craving a new DR K Vod It's great I got one immediately😂 Just in case Dr k see this Thank you a lot Dr K It might be the same repeated comment you hear every now and then but thanks a lot
I had a mental breakdown after meditation and some realization of some not so awesome things. It'll probably be better for me in the long run to deal with the trauma.
one of the ways I really misunderstood meditation when I started out, is that I would try to force myself into my body sensations so I could feel them more closely and let them free. The problem is that the forcefulness created a lot of tension in my body and just had the opposite effect. Whenever you meditate you really need to make sure to relax
This is pretty common in spiritual groups and cults. There will be weird behavioral changes when you immerse oneself into these practices. Think of meditation as a multiplier to your character traits. The sad things is most brothers and sisters, even some senior monks, will just dismiss it as samskaras turning into karma. It can be cathartic but sometimes it can be dangerous as what you have said. ...and practitioners get mistreated for such behaviors. Im glad you brought this up because we need professionals such as yourself delving into this esoteric realm.
Please do another video about the last 3 minutes where someone can manifest physical symptoms. Its so common since covid with people with anxiety. This was a fascinating topic, thank you
25:32 Did Dr K forget to actually talk about that part or was it cut out from the video? Does he talk about the ''feeling that the time not spent meditating is wasted'' on that stream?
@nicol8090 no I can't bc TH-cam erases all external links immediately. Are you familiar with research papers? I don't remember exactly what journals they were originally published in but I'm sure they're on PubMed, Researchgate or Scholar if you search for A. Kinojia. He only has like four published papers, which is pretty normal I think since he's an MD (research is usually an entirely separate field). You might not find all of them on one site tho
@@nicol8090 no I can't. TH-cam automatically deletes all outside links. I tried to comment with names of databases but it's not even letting me include those... Are you familiar with scientific research papers? If so, just check some of the main databases and search by his full name. He only has like four published papers which is pretty normal for an MD I think(research is an entirely separate field)
Open awareness meditation is my jam, and yes I have faced (and continue to) some of darkest stuff and my lowest of lows, it was painful. Somehow made it through, and in a way started to dig it a while back.
I personally really like "letting go"-meditation. What it is doing is letting of objects in awarness. My personal goal is to drop into samadhi and experience (if existent) the infinite field of awarness. I think it is relatively safe, because there is just let going of things I dont build anything, it's more passive in a way. I like it but I heard about Yoga, which is related (not Asanas, which are generally psychologically very safe), "if you do too much or too little sleeping or eating, Yoga is not for you". Which i think is a very good guideline
"Focused attention" having the highest rate of problems checks out. I remember staring at a spot on a wall as a kid. Doesn't take long for things to get strange...
Hi! I’m not sure if the HG team will see this, but I just wanted to point out that the sound volume in the videos seems to be getting softer. I often have to double the volume to match the level of a typical TH-cam video. Aside from that, I absolutely love the content and am constantly learning new things with every video!
YES. Going to send this to a friend with zero experience with meditation who wants to start an open awareness style meditation program with the mostly traumatized teenagers she works with.
I've only ever meditated once. I watched one of your ADHD videos and how sound meditation is usually easier for people with ADHD. I set a timer for 1 hour and switched from sound to sound. After the hour was up, I was amazed at how good I felt. My mind was clear, and I felt light and happy. I haven't meditated since because I have a fear that something bad might happen, but I think that if I dont meditate for a long period of time I should be fine. Do you all think I should try again?
I respect that You did full hour as Your first try, in ~4-5 months of knowing this technique I did 1h only couple times. 😅 I started with old video they did on this technique and as first try for chat Dr K guided them through only couple minutes long session and I just rewatched video first 3-4 weeks, later did double. If You don't feel sure You may consider going for small session, like 5-10 minutes and quit if something would feel off after that.
@kayakMike1000 I haven't been diagnosed ADHD I just tried the method easier for people with ADHD because I have those traits. Also, I didn't meditate the full hour. I would say it took me 20 minutes to half an hour to clear my mind and actually start meditating.
Meditation gets you in a state where you open for Suggestions. Isn't it the same as hypnosis or some kind of relaxed guided meditation or fantasy mind travel? And people can abuse it
@@abdelilhmanfloresthat’s the problem, TH-cam teachers. Nowadays anyone can call themselves any title online. The false perception of who they really are and live. I would never follow someone on. TH-cam unless you know with proof that have years of training!!!!
It depends. For context I trained as a hypnotherapist, hypnosis in one sense is accessing the dreaming brain while awake. So guided imagery - that's a form of hypnosis. Shocking people into surprise - also yes (using the orientation response) ...and physically calming the body into deep relaxation with just breathing? paradoxically yes. These all technically would make you more suggestible. But let's be honest, you sit next to someone you have a crush on, and you're also more suggestible. You're mulling over a purchase, more suggestible again Suggestible simply means open to change and learning... and if you're also the person directing the experience, there's a lot you can get out of it. ...and sometimes we need to get out of our way, so guided experiences have there place too. But as with all things in life, it's how the tool is used that determines the results.
@@Tray48I don’t wanna put words in your mouth, but you shouldn’t disregard all teachers. In my personal experience, I have a playlist full of various videos from various channels. But I tend to mainly have Dr. K vids
I think that I've been meditating since childhood. I'd get in trouble at school for "daydreaming", but I was just looking at trees outside, and kind of floating. I've never been able to meditate for hours, though. I use Tibetan prayer beads, then a singing bowl, and then meditate for several minutes. I have stopped trying to time myself. When I feel that I need to stop, I stop. I tend to journal about things that are painful, then throw out what I wrote.
Trigger warning: I haven’t seen the video yet but I had a rather scary experience recently after meditating and realising I would be ok with dying as in it didn’t scare me anymore. I then had the idea that maybe I was shown this awareness because I was somehow ‘meant’ to die now and the idea of living suddenly felt intolerable because I was so in tune with the feeling of freedom of death. I was sure I was meant to die and that’s the only way I’d feel happy and kept feeling like I should get myself into an accident while driving, like I was sure sure that’s what I was meant to do. Obviously I didn’t. I guess I chickened out. But the whole experience was traumatic and I’m not sure what it meant and probably won’t try to figure it out for a while. Like it started off feeling good and then wasn’t and then I felt like a failure for not following through. Anyway, it’s scary and I’m afraid of meditating now. Also scared to watch this video
I took Dr. K's knowledge for granted too long, don't know why I ever discounted meditation. As someone who still has residual anxiety on SSRIs, I have experienced relief from microdose on psiliocibe, only downside is it doesn't teach me about my anxiety on its own. Meditation should be what I need. In recognizing more privileges other people have I learn how many I have myself
Hey Dr. K, love your stuff as usual! For the video editing, could you reduce the frequent jump cuts after each sentence? It can feel quite overwhelming to listen to and it disrupts the natural flow, making it harder to absorb the information. Adding natural pauses would enhance the listening experience. It almost feels like a 30-min long tiktok video.
I guess that is why in rajyoga it is said to make your base with yamas and niyamas then prepare body by asanas and pranayam and then after pratyahara to for dharna.
Would shoonya be considered open awareness? I suffer from depression and social anxiety and I've been doing your shoonya practice that you showed in why you can't feel anything anymore video. I've been doing it for a month but in the past 2 weeks I've been doing it everyday and I notice my rumination has decreased a ton and the voice in my head is not torturing as much as it was. Should I keep doing shoonya, or could it be dangerous because I do still have those dormant negative thoughts and identities etc
I've recently started doing "reverse meditations", which is basically open awareness on steroids. You use and focus on pain, to achive greater insights on what pain is, your relation to it and who and what "we" are. In the context of the video, it seems this is one of the more dangerous practice.
So i was at work one night and I sat in a lotus pose and passed out....next thing I know I'm in the middle of literally nowhere and I float to this platform where this...guy was at. Guy looked like an art mannequin. We talked for a few minutes but he told me my mom was gonna die in a few days and there wasn't anything I could do. He lit me on fire and I had a bunch of images and memories thrown into my head. I woke up at 3am (( i passed out at midnight)) and called her and a bunch of other people. Well 3 days later she died in an Uber on the way to the store. Found out I had done something called a kundalini awakening which is weird because I wasn't into any of this sort of thing. But sense then my ability to focus and read people is clearer due to it just believe. I used to be very gullible. I wasn't able to understand why. I don't say it wasn't worth it but it is life changing
@DrewJordan. i mentioned it. It was a kundalini awakening....see when my mom died in this Uber we drove to the hospital...I gave him the option and i was trained CPR as a security guard. They got her on a stretcher and i came to check on her for 3 days. By the 3rd day I talked to the doctor and I asked him about her odds of survival and coming back...he said because she was out for awhile (( 5+ minutes)) the odds of her coming back were near none. So I was asked if I wanted to be in the room when they pulled her... I said no...I couldn't see her like that anymore. And she didn't come back. For 6 months I had dreams of us talking and she knew she was gone in those dreams. To me was weird and I was aging in the dreams from kid to an adult. When I was an adult was the last dreams and she said it was her time to go. I was ok the whole way through it like the thing told me oddly enough. My mom always talked about something she did called the touch. Where she would touch someone and see stuff...I wonder if this was it or something else all the time. Ive seen other stuff but most of it is always depressing. I wonder why it's like this and not something else now.
Super interesting and it makes me evaluate on my own practise. Generally I feel very good about my practise, except for open awareness practise which I stopped doing some time ago. Its not a practise that works good on its own - I def had to combine it with some kind of loving kindness and compassion practise. But its a problem, I guess, if you only do meditation and not the rest of the package. Yoga will open up, but also ground you in your body and pranayama releases stuck feelings and pain, but you have to be very carefull that you do pranayama the right way. Some say that bastrika and kapalbhati can give anxiety and its true, it can - if you dont follow the rules of pranayama exsactly. In my own case, for many years I was kinda arrogant about how to do the sadhana. It gave me a lot of problems. The old yogis know what they are doing and you better follow what they tell you to do, otherwise - trouble ahead. There are some practise I dont do because I cant handle the emotions they stir up. Mindrullness is crusial to learn as the first step and working with loving kindness meditation and compassion. Its totally difficult and you just wanna have instent enlightenment, but no sir. Thats not how it works. In my opinion doing sadhana is a full time job and its difficult - its hard and Sometimes very painfull. But its also very very beuatifull and very rewarding. Today Im relaxed about my sadhana. I enjoy doing it. I go out and listen to some music. Have a beer. Meet people. I dont do meditation for meditation sake. I do it to be open to life and every beuatifull thing it has to offer.
My brother is meditating from over 10 years now every day. I had few instances where he behaved weird. Once I tried to wake him up, as he looked like he had fallen asleep and when he opened his eyes he looked terrified. I've never seen my brother so scared in my life! For a several seconds he didn't knew who I am and after he remembered himself he told me that was the scariest part. Few more times he had been falling asleep, sometimes fully on the earliest occasions, right there as he's standing, and behaves on an auto pilot. This always happens if he's not on his chair where he meditates in the time that happens, as he always did that at 11PM
Your brother really needs ro find an experienced and trustworthy meditation teacher. At least, in Tibetan Buddhism that I am aware of, there is very respectable meditation centres all around the world!
Thank you for making this video! Meditation is under- and overestimated in its benefits and dangers; so basically all around, and all due to a vast of understanding (I'm no exception). Especially pop culture has not done it the right service, but worse so the superficial, emotionally immature esoterics from around the world. Personally I believe these days that many bad twists and dark heresies they believe to be good are the product of the Cluster-B first and foremost, but that's another topic. I'll be sure to check out the rest and so should everyone else. Thank you especially for your acknowledgement that open-awareness meditation type can be very distressing, as hard PTSD made it basically impossible for me to do that. However, it is the type that processes the most imho, and if there are things in your life to work through that don't send you to the floor spasming, this is a great way. It won't be easy, it will still be painful, but the first thing is simply as long as you know what you're potentially getting yourself into, it's less likely to go bad. It's the unexpected that disrupts the most. Minor trauma, if there's not a huge quantity of it, works imho. It is also that which leads to reflection, as you mentioned, and that is likely why Narcissists avoid it like the little Soot-spirits in Ghibli-movies avoid the light - and is the very reason they are stuck the way they are. Sam Vaknin had an interesting way to force them into a self-reflective state, because effectively you thus have to passive-aggressively facilitate that towards them. You can't force someone into meditation who doesn't want to, but you can remove reaction-stimuli without them noticing, and thus the mind having self-reflection as the only action left. Take my babble for what you will. I'm just poking in the dark. On focused meditation: If trauma has damaged, maybe to total absence, abilities associated with the lowest levels in the orders of consciousness (chakras), like retaining anything for yourself for self-preservation, saying no to someone's asking for help knowing full well you're in no state anymore to do so without severely injuring yourself or worse, can such focused meditation heal or restore or build such back up? I would believe pathological altruism, the whole doormattery, where you have zero defensive capabilities anymore, from certain and longterm types of physical and/or psychological child abuse is generated by that. Sorry, I don't have the mind to rewrite that sentence.
I always find it interesting how the conversation seems to go with the risks of this practice and yet you can still see the same phenomenon in typical religious conventions where there is fervor, ecstasy or rapture. Anything can be an experience leading to the psychotic. This isn’t just the domain of mindfulness or meditation.
Thats true, but churches developed mechanisms for regulating this danger. I am not advocating the churches, but the old saying goes that one should follow the spiritual traditions of the native culture - after all we are incarnated in the special place and time for a reason.
@ I’d like to disagree with you, if you consider history. I do think when you couple this with power or incontrovertible dogma / authority, it can be especially dangerous. Consider what happened to John Lennon just to start. And then any other egomaniac for that matter. Spiritual testament doesn’t automatically qualify as being veritable. And yet you see this in institutions and structures more rather than individual meditative practices.
I tried out a specific meditation 'technique' with candles and a mirror. Started floating away and hearing a voice calling out for me (felt comforting but scary at the same time).
Wow meditating for 21 years is a LONG time! Which ashram did you stay in? I've done the 10 day silent retreat and I thought it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
Do you think these chakras and spirtual field things are real? I feel like they're psychological devices, not real but metaphorical to bring about certain states of mind. Would you agree?
@@----f I think it's all very relative. What's 'real' to us is literally an illusion. Because our visual (and other) apparatus is unable to perceive things as a sub-atomic level, our brain fills in a lot of the 'gaps' and we see a 'person' or a 'table' or a 'chair'. But based on what we know in terms of quantum physics that's literally not the case. But yet we call that 'real' It's clear to me that we have almost zero capacity to see things as they truly are using our eyes, ears, touch, smell etc.
Always a pleasure sir, thank you for making these ❤ Have you ever helped someone cure Frozen Shoulder using psychology? I'm coming off a nearly 8-month inability to play mouse games because of a dual frozen shoulder, and I'm worried about it coming back, so any new angle on this would be helpful. If not, no worries, I still benefit from your content 😊
I absolutely love this episode it was very informative! I'd be curious on how much or how often people meditate unconsciously and don't even realize it..
It works and it's safe. I healed my colitis with mindfulness. Went to the doctor this summer and he was impressed that everything got healed, without any drugs. The issues is that doctors are asking for studies, in order to recommend it as a remedy. But conducting studies means that they need to be sponsored, means money. No pharma organisation will sponsor this kind of study, that will bankrupt them.
13:23 Is disconnection from the self a negative experience? I've always thought those were the best meditation sessions--the ones where I feel like I've literally left my body and can see myself sitting there from the 3rd person, occasionally I float off out of the room leaving my body behind. Whenever I finish a meditation where that happens I feel arguably the most enlightened moments in my life: I feel blissfully one with the universe, my ego has been entirely set aside, and I can think truly clearly for at least a few hours before regressing to the mean. Very rarely has there been brief moments of feeling like I drifted so far I couldn't return which instilled momentary panic.
At 19:45 there’s a mention of emotion being laterally localised. I have been taught that emotion isn’t particularly laterally localised, in contrast to functions like language, creativity, and visuospatial reasoning. Care to elaborate?
This has been very helpful. I've experienced many of these negative effects at one point or another and somehow (dunning kruger?) had no idea where they were coming from.
"it's located just behind the G-spot" ad: are you feeling alone in the world? I can't make this shit up lol. the algorithm is catching a body for that >:[
I went to meditation group once, it was relaxing and stuff, but they did this put your bad memories into a suitcase and throw them off a cliff visualisation exercise. I could have done without those bad memories rising to the surface that I had almost moved on from. I think this is what's put me off every other time I've tried it, (thought observance), that it kept bringing up bad memories. But breathe focusing didn't do that. Niether did just just listening to the pretty birds and nature sounds.
If you don't like bring up bad memories then you probably haven't moved on from them. It sounds like you're pretending they don't exist, avoiding them or running away.
You just described something call the “flash” technique of processing or EMDR 2.0 style stuff. Research is still ongoing but there is thinking you can sort of slice trauma so thinly that you can clear it without focusing on it. It is brought into conscious awareness but briefly and without flooding and it seems to really work and have some promise for folks who can’t or don’t want to do more dis regulating processes that’s more traditional in trauma treatment.
OMG it was super interesting! 😲❤ I just found you some weeks ago, such a treasure! I try to find holistic doctors around me but someone who is both a doctor and has spiritual practices is so rare 😢 I also had some bad experiences during (guided) meditation like fearful scenes arrived, but neither I experienced such things nor I watched movies like those. Is my brain so creative? 😅 I stopped the meditation immediately then. But I also have such beautiful experiences too, like wonderful images, ideas, scenes like from another dimension, even my chronic backpain was gone once (a month ago) and still remained easier. 😄❤
Idk if that counts as meditation but when I bath I like to experience my breath. Keep my Head under water as long as possible and focus on how it all feels. And all that for op to 2hours I love doing it it feels so refreshing
I met a cobra goddess through my mind once while meditating. Terrifying and humbling experience. I can understand why people report adverse experiences.
I was waiting for which chakras are dangerous. In vignana bhairava tantra one technique is feel peace in the heart center & that's supposed to be super safe.
As a Buddhism theory devout, I believe meditation, Samathā, ultimately and primarily is about letting go, i.e. blameless actions across ten directions, resulting in abiding in skillful emotional qualities through a meditation, so maybe that's why modern meditation went wrong.
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I know you probably won't see this, but just in case you do and have time to respond.
I'm wondering what you think of meditation where you try to focus on nothing, no sensory information, no thoughts, just an internal emptiness you create inside, that couldn't possibly exist outside your head.
I learned this meditation while reading notes by Bruce Lee and it's the one I practice the most when I remember to meditate, though it is difficult.
Based solely off of the thumbnail, I'm assuming this video is about concentrating my power through meditation until I turn into a lich, and frankly, I'm here for that.
...some of us at HG would also be here for that, ngl
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it only takes two hours
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So a 20 minute meditation can help center and reduce dissociation, but a 40 minute meditation might induce dissociation.
That's fascinating!
No water? Dehidration. Too much water? Drowning.
Anecdotally, when I meditate I'm usually spending the first 20 minutes clearing the mind of daily distractions, then 20 minutes "settling into" my body scan routine, and 20 minutes fighting the desire to stop meditating.
If you only spend 20 minutes just clearing the mind of daily distractions, I could see how that could be pleasant and centering. However, I can also see how going deeper than that can induce dissociation and increase boredom with your surroundings.
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Technique is also very important, not all of the reach desired state for everyone. Just started trataka and for me it feels way sharper than Ram chanting, or the listener mode when I first started each.
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The biggest issue is becoming open and impressionable, which can lead to both positive or negative transformation. If you aren't in a controlled environment and immediately have your peace jolted by running into disturbing people and events, these experiences can potentially have magnified negative effects. It can really mess you up.
I know exactly what you are talking about
This is why its important first to understand how to properly let go. this step its skipped by many or really poorly understood, Non judgement its a skill that requires a lot of practice. and meditation can get you gains, but if you do too much and you are not fit for it, you will disturb your experience enough and a fatigued mind its dangerous.
A half-decent meditator can easily meditate with a jackhammer going beside them - it's all just God talking.
Aah DFU mode…when updating the brain’s microcode, one must be preemptive about addressing threats because they will have a direct line to your subconscious if you are in that mode.
Yep
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yeah, my meditation journey for the past 8 years has been mind boggling.yo-yoing between states of inner peace and boundless love, and then spiralling into an intense yearning to destroy myself and self destruct. i wouldnt exactly say its "dangerous" but its more accurate to say that the growth it evokes in you is very painful. but worth it, i think.
Spiritual polarization. ;)
I did even realize just relaxing witnessing your thought with out judgment was form of meditation let alone open meditation. I've gotten pretty good at no judgment over the past 7 years.
An excellent skill to celebrate!
O dang I just thought that was me practicing being kinder to myself (by not being to judge every thought I have). Nice to know it counts as meditation too!
It's the essence of Soto-Zen, summarized in Taizen Deshimaru Roshii most basic instruction: "Just sit."
I've got a mate who is so far down the meditation hole he hasn't gotten any happier but is convinced more meditation will one day make him happy
This is very validating. When I started meditating I would cry from just a 5 minute guided meditation video, so I thought to myself clearly I have a lot of unprocessed trauma, let me do this slowly. I still don't really meditate that regularly but when I do it's a lot more grounding. I mostly journal nowadays. (And watch Dr. K videos 😉)
this is common with PTSD. as meditation can open up chronically "tensed" avoidant mechanism from pshycological pain. and this can get extremely overwhelming on PTSD as your body has gone used to shut it down it all or dissociate if it got overwhelming. meditation can open up this doors but if you are not ready to not judge what you feel or you do it too much, it might be too intense and overwhelming, thus triggering you
@@ViDeTool Hii.. Do you think it would help get rid of the trauma tho?
I really appreciate the intersection of psychology and spirituality discussions on this channel. I would also love to see videos that address how people with religious trauma specifically can safely navigate these issues. I'm a former member of a cult and a therapist I work with advised against doing any activities that would be reminders of the religious practices from that group, this includes, to some extent, formalized meditation techniques. Although I find a more secularized mindfulness practice be very helpful. More on this topic would be amazing to hear!
We need a complete guide to meditation, beginner to master, types of meditation, breakdowns on what each meditation is, the history of each one, combinations, etc. I'm talking encyclopedia levels of it. Every time I watch one of your videos on the issue, I have to google a billion things out of curiosity and now I have to also be weary of the side effects on top. Halp.
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i wouldn't pay , there is free guides online
There is a few Buddist meditaion and yoga centres with excellent teachers who give talks on meditation and guide practices, combined with initiating people into a spiritual way of life
@@HealthyGamerGG yeah yeah. Depends on how you define good. Good money for you, for me it's unaffordable, and I don't doubt the quality of your content. It's just inaccessible.
@@jimskeuh Why bother reading guides? Close your eyes and you're already doing everything they could tell you.
But you might want to hear from someone more experienced rather than randomly trying something yourself. And you might want to hear from someone who shares their experience rather than an anonymous source.
This blew my mind, thankyou. I finally have something to go to my therapist about in regards to open awareness being a dangerous thing for me. I had no idea what open awareness meditation even was, but I was doing it whilst going on my daily walk, suddenly a whole range of hurtful, brutal, disturbing thoughts came up that my mind put a block on to save me from the pain(as you described).I was in the foster system, so it was necessary for survival, It resulted in a derealization/depersonalization episode that landed me in the ER, the worst I've ever had(I thought I was never going to get out of it). As a result I was diagnosed with CPTSD. Powerful stuff, but if the blocking is already there and you are aware of it, I would 100 percent recommend you do it with a professional if you must do it. Thanks for what you do, really, it has changed my life in so many ways.
The whole process of this sounds somewhat like meditation is just the mind’s equivalent to what physical workouts are for the physical body. Essentially: if you haven’t worked out for a while, and you suddenly try to work out really intensely for over 30 minutes, then you’re a lot more likely to get an injury than you would be if you’ve consistently been training for a while. As far as the mind is concerned, it seems as if you’re someone who all of a sudden has the epiphany that you need to start doing meditation (but have no previous practice) and you start trying to meditate for like 30+ minutes, you’re probably going to get more likely to have a mental breakdown before you actually start feeling better
Great comment and insight. It's RARE (in my experience) to find truly deep-thinking comments on TH-cam. Great to see, and after reading this it makes some really good sense.
That's how I always thought of meditation actually, workouts for the mind, I often meditate in-between sets on my workouts
I went through this period in which I forced myself to focus exactly on the things that caused me emotional pain. It was really uncomfortable and I felt a ton of shame, but eventually those ideas lost their power almost completely. I do that now every time something happens to me that I don’t like and I feel free from all the thoughts that I would yank my attention away from previously.
@@reecediaz1700 could you elaborate more on this please? Sometimes I try/want to do the same but I feel like it worsen things. Like I subconsciously and intentionally ‘escape’ the emotional pain when I feel it. I want to confront it but like you said, it’s so uncomfortable to do so. How long did it take for this type of intentional exposure to yield results?
Any thought I had in which my instinct was to yank my attention away from was forcefully brought into my mind in full focus as to “stare” at it. I let each memory replay until each memory lost all of its emotional charge. After 6-8 months I felt “clean”
@@richdias509 It's worth clarifying here that some level of self-sabotage in this area is the default natural state for most of us. I now feel able to attempt things like this, but for most of my life before I started meditating, the majority of my really dark thoughts seemed to operate on a level beyond my reach where I couldn't pin them down like that. I still lose track of some thoughts that I feel could've led to insight.
I really like the above explanation, it's just so straightforward. My reply is for anyone thinking "pff yeah, easier said than done."
No one's saying it's easy to do. Start small and be patient with yourself. You can gain a sort of momentum with it, because once it works in some capacity, you start to understand and believe that it works.
In my experience with intrusive thoughts for example (which to be clear, I never had a super serious problem with), they could only be intrusive if I pushed them away. Once I stopped pushing them away, they were just thoughts and they would pass quickly.
This is a crucial step on meditation that a lot of people skip, learning to be non judgemental means to properly hug pain and being fine with feeling uncomfortable. meditation can really get you in the spot, and people with mental issues or certain ways of thinking are really intolerant to this feelings. thus, meditation will trigger them
If you don’t need to analyze the situation deeper, the only problem is you associate some situation with some intense emotion. Instead of risking anxiety or panic attack etc, you can just moves your eyes left and right that will separate the memory from the emotion, so you can analyze the memory from a more objective point of view later.
Always had peaceful experiences when meditating. Have felt great self-compassion (I’m usually extremely self-critical and self-demanding). I’ve released some grief one time when I gently but suddenly came into a hug with my mother who had passed years prior.
The daily life effects have been of better focus, better emotional awareness, and less reactive to my children.
HAH, I’m one of the ones that experienced acute psychosis. Wound up stuck for a week in a psych ward. At the time I was unsure whether I had developed a (lame) super power or if I had broken my brain because I was suddenly getting high as a kite and experiencing euphoria whenever I focused on observing myself from the top of my head. Idk why I decided to do it that way but I did.
On the trip to the hospital I had decided I was going to donate my brain to science and I was like “omg I gotta tell Dr K about this!”
Anyway it wasn’t just the meditation. Turns out I have Panic Disorder/GAD/OCD and my compulsions were related to therapy, CBT and meditation. 😅
There is probably a good reason why these ancient traditions had you train in an ashram with a master. Gopi Krishna is an interesting case study. He dedicated his life to helping people who spontaneously awakened on their own, like he did, and went through a lot of suffering because of it. His nervous system couldn't handle it. These folks often become incapacitated and unable to function like Ramana when he spontaneously awakened at eleven years old and had to be taken care of for a few years.
I think of meditation as being very similar to other forms of self disciplines, especially exercise or martial arts. It's trying to find the buttons and levers of your internality, and work them in specific ways. Belief systems are, even if nothing "spiritual" about them is true, a framework to mold oneself on and impart communicable ideas on ritual practices (ritual seems to be incredibly important to function in humans, and seems to pop up enough in other intelligent species that I'm inclined to think it's as much an undervalued cognitive need as play is). Like anything that actually has an effect, dosage matters!
I would argue if a belief system is, in fact, that framework, then it contains plenty of spiritual truth. It's just different from scientific truth.
Just like spiritual truth tells you nothing about galaxies, atomic weights, or fossil records, scientific truth ultimately has nothing to say on love, fear, or meaning - definitely not on the experiential level where your own existence intersects with those things.
Alcoholics who give prayer an honest shot find more success in quitting; just to pick one example containing the problem of a lifetime for a lot of real people. I know you brought this up already, I'm just clarifying the stakes.
So which truth do we want, anyway? Is it worth saying that we don't know anything spiritual to be true? I tend to favor my impulse to push back on language like that.
Basically, some forms of deep meditation can dig up the problems from the deepest part of your mind you are afraid to face. If you are not ready to face them, you get clapped. Just like challenging the final boss with a wooden sword. But it is a different story when your high level friend is around to carry you through.
My personal experience with meditation is like this. I started meditating long hours because there were a lot of work/family-related stuff but I couldn’t understand why I am unable to deal with stress and still stressed when I finished my duties. I wanted to do some reflection on my own thoughts so I sat down one holiday and kept addressing all the crap going on in my mind. For each thought, I asked myself “Can I do something about it? If yes, let’s do it after the meditation. If no, let’s just accept it and move on.” With that method I sorted out all my stress in the mind and eventually found what I have been subconsciously blaming myself for. There was one time I made a new friend whom I vibed with so much. We had a lot of fun together and then we reached a conversation where I was so sensitive about her opinion, I started asking her like an interrogation of why she even has that opinion. She got defensive even though she realized what I was pointing out. Her opinion was totally off and she knew it but the way I was asking many questions seemed like I was cornering her until she admitted she had wrong opinion. That’s how our friendship ended and we never talked again. When I calmed down, I knew I was too aggressive with the way I was questioning her opinion. I wanted to apologize but I couldn’t cuz she had blocked me. And then in the past few months, I found her profile again. She has unblocked me but I still didn’t initiate a conversation to apologize. That thought of has been sitting in the back of my mind like I have not been doing something I needed to do. Once I realized that, I let go of my pride and went to send an apology to her. She didn’t even read my texts but I started feeling more peaceful. I could start to feel actually relaxed when it is time to relax. No more unknown shitty feeling.
The correlation to this video is that, at that point of realizing what has been bothering me, if I haven’t grown enough to let go of meaningless pride, the mediation could have added more stress to my daily life since I would know the dirt in my mind and I would be somewhat denying to clean it up. That’s why you should do deeper meditations that make you confront the things you have been avoiding, with guidance. Someone who can help you handle the confrontation to your inner-self properly.
Woww, thank you for this.
You just told me how to maximize my subjectivity. I’ll definitely start clinching down there at church. Thank you.
I'm learning more from you than all the years of my MA in psychology, and it's all very interesting and important. I think it's useful for everyone to know more about meditation and how to practice it correctly.
This sounds a lot like the common advice given about psychedelics tbh. Depending on your mindset and setting the same thing can either cure treatment resistant mental illnesses or completely destroy a person to the point of long term psychosis. Anything that makes your mind more malleable can be just as detrimental as it is helpful depending on what you do with that malleability. Even simple things like increased body awareness can be grounding but for a person with health anxiety it can trigger a traumatic panic attack.
Start from the bottom chakra and work your way up. Look after your body before you turn to your mind. I have seen people brag about meditation and they are clearly not taking care of their body. They then can't understand why they melt down. There is a famous saying "Trying to meditate without being present in the body is like trying to build a house without foundations." At some point, it will collapse.
how exactly do you take care of your body in this context? Also when you say start from the bottom chakra, you mean fa meditation on your bottom chakra or something else?
@@empyrean1696you can see pandit Ravi Shankar chakra meditation . It is relaxing
I've been suffering from C-PTSD and the dissociation/depersonalization has been a big problem for me.
From my experience- Most meditation techniques other than the grounding techniques triggered the dissociation. What I believe happens is that when my mind is calm and I feel detached from it, my mind gravitates towards a state it's familiar with that feels similar which is the dissociated state. It goes like 'Oh This feels new. I feel more comfortable when dissociating and it feels similar anyways, so let's just dissociate.'
The worst experience was when I kinda tried Shunya meditation. I didn't mean to try it, but I learnt about it and found it interesting that I thought about the idea deeply, and that was enough to make me to dissociate frequently for few days. x_x It was very unpleasant experience.
However, like Dr.K explained in the video, none of the negative affects lasted more than few days. And you never know what would work for you and what wouldn't until you try it by yourself. So I recommend you all to try any meditation technique you find interesting by yourself before you judge it and decide to never try it!
I think trying it under the direction of someone who is experienced in meditative practices is a better idea tbh
What grounding techniques would you recommend? Fellow cPTSD dude here
I've had some dark stuff come up. It's made me afraid to try again.
@@azhaz578 There is something called TRE, Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises. To put it very shortly, it's about triggering a shaking response in your muscles that will retrain your nervours system to relax them. I've been implementing it for about half a year now, and it has greatly improved my symptoms. Practically no more flashbacks, or all too terrible mood swings. Mind you, this is after years of therapy, and other things I've tried, such as physio therapy, cryotherapy, simple cold showers, mediation, etc.
I'm not a medical professional, and this is just my personal experience. To me, processing my trauma was a lot about learning to trust myself again, so finding what worked for me naturally was part of that process. It's a lot about getting back into your body and your boundaries, but there is, unfortunately, no quick fix. A lot of things that are good for you will feel bad at the beginning, and a lot of things bad for you, will feel good.
Take care and all the best
Dr. K, thank you for this video. I've been meaning to get into meditation but I've always wondered if every single kind of meditation is a good for every type of psyche and if some types of individuals shouldn't partake in certain meditative practices. You've really shed a lot of light on this and I thank you for answering a question that's been on my mind for maybe half a year.
I clicked on this video cause I just got that feeling this title is talking about the way I dissociate isn't it
I did an in-person guided meditation session recently... but I prefer exhausting thoughts til the thoughts are gone, then turning the thoughts off through a switching between a slowing of thoughts to a thinking through existing sounds, to letting go of the sound
I did a 10-day Vipassana meditation course. One of the worst things I’ve ever done. Didn’t help that I persisted in meditation thinking I was going through some Dark Night. Led me to experience frightening somatic sensations for years even after I stopped meditating. Feelings of energies rushing through my body which felt very pleasant at first so I kept meditating until I started soon having the sensations of floating throughout the day, feelings that spirits were attacking me and that I could hear them running, feelings of wind rushing through my body from passing people or cars, seeing colors more intensely, etc. I live in Japan and came to know that many serious meditation teachers would not conduct courses such as Goenka’s and don’t take on temporary students or ones they haven’t observed for prolonged periods before teaching them the basic things. I think the intensives and the casual practice schools have the potential to do more harm than good. Please be careful and do your research on the lived experiences of people who’ve had negative life changing experiences from meditation before you decide to pursue a practice.
This confirms that my instinct to stop meditation at a certain point when I was going really deep may have been correct. I had this strong sensation that if I had kept going, I would end up psychotic. Reading this and hearing Dr.K speak I think my instinct saved me from a lot of trouble.
Im so sorry to hear this was your experience, I went on one of these as well a few months ago, though my experience was much more positive in the end, il admit I did stop meditations earlier and opened my eyes etc, but I def did the practice, and the somatic aspect was just from my understanding meant to make you understand that experiences are Impermanent they arise and they disappear, which personally I took to heart.
But yea def dont force your self, sounds like an uncomfortable experience, I wish you good luck going forward
Are you sure it's meditation to blame here? Maybe it's not really a good method to learn it by going for 10-day intensive variant without proper introduction? You probably were told "it's fine" by the stuff, but hey, there's always people who can risk your health to make some money, right?
Not trying to blame you for it in any way, just highlighting some details. Meditation is powerful tool and any powerful tool has to be used carefully and skillfully.
I continue with Vipassana meditation.
Pretty much a self-inflicted sensory deprivation chamber.
Thanks for your help Dr. K :)
This is your most interesting video yet. Thank you.
Such a powerful video! Thank you for all the effort you put in! 💪
I meditated for years, focused meditation and open awareness meditation. At one point I preferred meditation above being in the world and I found people very boring ( meditation lasted for 2-4 hours) Sometimes I entered a dream like state where I found myself totally relaxed carried away by the waves in the ocean. I totally trusted my meditation experiences.
Then one time I was in India near the Ganges when I entered a dream like state were I needed to cross a lake. I went into the lake dove into the waters to investigate and saw many, many orbs ( of fire or made of something bright yellow ) drifting. I went closer to one orb to investigate and landed in hell. I woke up in the present moment crying and in intense pain. I was experiencing un processed childhood experiences. It lasted for weeks. Back in my home country I was unable to work or function. After a while I got some pause and all went back to normal till I encountered another orb, in waking life now bcs after I met the first orb I never meditated again. But now I could handle it better, I just kept on breathing being in the moment. It's still going on after 15+ years.
I became more light hearted and not so easily triggered and I there is compassion for myself and others. I wish though that I someone like your channel to support/ guide me through the process, that would have been more easy.
Meditation is SUCH A POWERFUL tool. I feel like with meditation i can construct my mind to be superhuman and i can accomplish so much.
This was so great to listen to. Thank you so much for the information and wisdom!
Thank you so much for creating this video 🙏 I'm going through a lot of the things you've mentioned and it's helped me understand. So grateful to you
Wow,, this is upper level stuff! Getting actual clinical data on the types of meditation and their risks would involve taking a CEU course and that might not even be as useful and easy to digest as this TH-cam video .-- amazing! Thank you.
2:18 Diddy be like 😭🙏🏻
Nice try Diddy
Destiny be like 💀
There can definitely be negatives to meditation, especially the longer amount of time you spend with yourself and just yourself. Doing the long-form stuff is definitely not for everyone. Sometimes when I get caught up in projects or things I'm working on/focusing on too much, I will take anywhere from an hour to up to a full waking day to reset my balance. I will sit in a quiet room and basically do nothing except accept everything, internalize joy, and be open to those sudden bursts of inspiration and realization when you let the mind wander with an open mind. Doing stuff like that tends to prevent me from burning out and makes me less obsessed about things that are starting to stress me out, but nowadays I only really need to do that for an hour maximum to reap the full benefits. To me that kind of meditation is not about focusing on one thing but focusing on nothing, and becoming aware of the present moment in the process. For me long-form meditation gives me a hard reset when my mind is getting too busy and caught up in impermanent things. I don't do it every day though lol, and I probably wouldn't for some of the reasons you mentioned.
2:35 “It turned out totally fine”
😉 We know what happened in that cabin
Exactly what I was thinking.
I didn’t want this podcast to end! Thank you for this in-depth explanation of meditation, Dr K…. I recently did Inner Engineering through Sadhguru, and everything you covered is in perfect alignment with the meditation and yoga I learnt through this course. The daily meditation is 20 minutes and it’s focused attention.
It’s been an incredible journey so far and I’ve released a ton of emotional baggage, as an ex C- PTSD and depression sufferer.
What’s fascinating, is how old memories start to pop up out of nowhere…. Memories that I’d completely forgotten about. I think that the inner engineering process is designed in such a way, that the kundalini rises very slowly, releasing memories of trauma at a pace that is manageable to handle and heal from.
May I know what meditation you did? What kind if foucused meditation 😊
Great information! Thanks for disseminating that article 😊
Can you make a video about your scientific perspective on kundalini, potential kundalini awakenings, and how they are different from psychosis, delusional disorder, or mood disorders. Thank you!
Yes this please.
Advanced techniques can induce schizoid paranoia and anxiety attacks. But this is when you're tunnel blasting through karma, then you're supposed to go back to the body and integrate the pain, the visions and the hellish experience. This is why you go to a therapist to unpack things. You want to prevent the person jumping out the window.
The depersonalisation and dissociation part makes a lot of sence. I am from germany and during a school trip we visited Auschwitz and looked at the barracks and I distinctly remember seeing a big showcase full of human hair which they preserved. Literal parts of the people that were killed there. It was such a shock to me and I went from having tears in my eyes to completely emotionless, it felt like a switch had been pulled. I remember that detached feeling and how eerie and foreign it felt for me.
A really great practice that was taught to me by another spiritual youtuber called Teal Swan was the "What does this feel like" cycle, where when a feeling or mental image arises, you ask it what it feels like and dissect it with either yourself if your equipped or with someone else in the room. It's essentially Open-Awareness but at least in her video, any negative things are at least resolved once the meditation session ends. I've done it and have come out with some degree of higher understanding, but it could be safe to say that some people just aren't yet equipped to understand rather than judge.
was just craving a new DR K Vod
It's great I got one immediately😂
Just in case Dr k see this
Thank you a lot Dr K
It might be the same repeated comment you hear every now and then but thanks a lot
I had a mental breakdown after meditation and some realization of some not so awesome things. It'll probably be better for me in the long run to deal with the trauma.
@@dpreetam deal with it, how ?
Happened to me too.
one of the ways I really misunderstood meditation when I started out, is that I would try to force myself into my body sensations so I could feel them more closely and let them free. The problem is that the forcefulness created a lot of tension in my body and just had the opposite effect. Whenever you meditate you really need to make sure to relax
I do like
I just don't care about anything and focus on my breath or the clock tick tick sound for 10 minutes and that's it after I bath in morning!
This is pretty common in spiritual groups and cults. There will be weird behavioral changes when you immerse oneself into these practices. Think of meditation as a multiplier to your character traits. The sad things is most brothers and sisters, even some senior monks, will just dismiss it as samskaras turning into karma. It can be cathartic but sometimes it can be dangerous as what you have said. ...and practitioners get mistreated for such behaviors. Im glad you brought this up because we need professionals such as yourself delving into this esoteric realm.
I love you Dr K. I've learned so much watching your content. Thank you!
Hearing "Focused Attention being one of the most dangerous meditations" while having ADHD is wild!
Please do another video about the last 3 minutes where someone can manifest physical symptoms. Its so common since covid with people with anxiety. This was a fascinating topic, thank you
Man every time I click on one of your videos I'm so impressed they're so informative and interesting!!
Always relevant. Thank you Dr. K
25:32 Did Dr K forget to actually talk about that part or was it cut out from the video? Does he talk about the ''feeling that the time not spent meditating is wasted'' on that stream?
I've actually read your published papers on meditation and tai chi! super interesting!
Can you link them here please for all of us to see? I didnt know they exist!
@nicol8090 no I can't bc TH-cam erases all external links immediately. Are you familiar with research papers? I don't remember exactly what journals they were originally published in but I'm sure they're on PubMed, Researchgate or Scholar if you search for A. Kinojia. He only has like four published papers, which is pretty normal I think since he's an MD (research is usually an entirely separate field). You might not find all of them on one site tho
@@nicol8090 no I can't. TH-cam automatically deletes all outside links. I tried to comment with names of databases but it's not even letting me include those... Are you familiar with scientific research papers? If so, just check some of the main databases and search by his full name. He only has like four published papers which is pretty normal for an MD I think(research is an entirely separate field)
@@nicol8090 they're flagging DOI numbers too. Wtf?? Apparently they don't want people to be able to see legit scientific evidence. Nice
@@nicol8090 they won't even let me post a d o i either. I guess they're trying to sensor legit scientific research. Sounds about right
Open awareness meditation is my jam, and yes I have faced (and continue to) some of darkest stuff and my lowest of lows, it was painful. Somehow made it through, and in a way started to dig it a while back.
"The Most Dangerous Form of Meditation"
Sounds like a challenge to me..
Dr.k taking the name OSHO has already made my day❤
I personally really like "letting go"-meditation. What it is doing is letting of objects in awarness. My personal goal is to drop into samadhi and experience (if existent) the infinite field of awarness. I think it is relatively safe, because there is just let going of things I dont build anything, it's more passive in a way.
I like it but I heard about Yoga, which is related (not Asanas, which are generally psychologically very safe), "if you do too much or too little sleeping or eating, Yoga is not for you".
Which i think is a very good guideline
"Focused attention" having the highest rate of problems checks out. I remember staring at a spot on a wall as a kid. Doesn't take long for things to get strange...
Hi! I’m not sure if the HG team will see this, but I just wanted to point out that the sound volume in the videos seems to be getting softer. I often have to double the volume to match the level of a typical TH-cam video. Aside from that, I absolutely love the content and am constantly learning new things with every video!
YES. Going to send this to a friend with zero experience with meditation who wants to start an open awareness style meditation program with the mostly traumatized teenagers she works with.
Got it. Take psychedelics and practice focused attention meditation. Thanks for the guidance, Dr. K!
The biggest danger is NEVER meditating.
This is my experience
That's me. I'm too manly to meditate...
I've only ever meditated once. I watched one of your ADHD videos and how sound meditation is usually easier for people with ADHD. I set a timer for 1 hour and switched from sound to sound. After the hour was up, I was amazed at how good I felt. My mind was clear, and I felt light and happy. I haven't meditated since because I have a fear that something bad might happen, but I think that if I dont meditate for a long period of time I should be fine. Do you all think I should try again?
No. I don't think you should try again. Do, or do not. There is no try. Also, take your meds.
@@kayakMike1000why? I think an hour sounds slightly excessive to begin with but to abstain altogether? They may already be taking their meds.
I respect that You did full hour as Your first try, in ~4-5 months of knowing this technique I did 1h only couple times. 😅
I started with old video they did on this technique and as first try for chat Dr K guided them through only couple minutes long session and I just rewatched video first 3-4 weeks, later did double.
If You don't feel sure You may consider going for small session, like 5-10 minutes and quit if something would feel off after that.
@kayakMike1000 I haven't been diagnosed ADHD I just tried the method easier for people with ADHD because I have those traits. Also, I didn't meditate the full hour. I would say it took me 20 minutes to half an hour to clear my mind and actually start meditating.
Meditation gets you in a state where you open for Suggestions. Isn't it the same as hypnosis or some kind of relaxed guided meditation or fantasy mind travel? And people can abuse it
That is why it's important to have a good teacher or a neutral guide. I personally use TH-cam teachers who speak and act positively
@@abdelilhmanfloresthat’s the problem, TH-cam teachers. Nowadays anyone can call themselves any title online. The false perception of who they really are and live. I would never follow someone on. TH-cam unless you know with proof that have years of training!!!!
It depends. For context I trained as a hypnotherapist, hypnosis in one sense is accessing the dreaming brain while awake.
So guided imagery - that's a form of hypnosis.
Shocking people into surprise - also yes (using the orientation response)
...and physically calming the body into deep relaxation with just breathing? paradoxically yes.
These all technically would make you more suggestible.
But let's be honest, you sit next to someone you have a crush on, and you're also more suggestible. You're mulling over a purchase, more suggestible again
Suggestible simply means open to change and learning... and if you're also the person directing the experience, there's a lot you can get out of it.
...and sometimes we need to get out of our way, so guided experiences have there place too.
But as with all things in life, it's how the tool is used that determines the results.
@@Tray48I don’t wanna put words in your mouth, but you shouldn’t disregard all teachers. In my personal experience, I have a playlist full of various videos from various channels. But I tend to mainly have Dr. K vids
Please make a comprehensive guide on types of meditations and their specific benefits, ie which type of person should do which type of meditation.
It's out there!
Healthygamergg meditation module. Covers exactly as u describe :)
I think that I've been meditating since childhood. I'd get in trouble at school for "daydreaming", but I was just looking at trees outside, and kind of floating. I've never been able to meditate for hours, though. I use Tibetan prayer beads, then a singing bowl, and then meditate for several minutes. I have stopped trying to time myself. When I feel that I need to stop, I stop. I tend to journal about things that are painful, then throw out what I wrote.
Trigger warning:
I haven’t seen the video yet but I had a rather scary experience recently after meditating and realising I would be ok with dying as in it didn’t scare me anymore.
I then had the idea that maybe I was shown this awareness because I was somehow ‘meant’ to die now and the idea of living suddenly felt intolerable because I was so in tune with the feeling of freedom of death.
I was sure I was meant to die and that’s the only way I’d feel happy and kept feeling like I should get myself into an accident while driving, like I was sure sure that’s what I was meant to do.
Obviously I didn’t. I guess I chickened out. But the whole experience was traumatic and I’m not sure what it meant and probably won’t try to figure it out for a while. Like it started off feeling good and then wasn’t and then I felt like a failure for not following through.
Anyway, it’s scary and I’m afraid of meditating now. Also scared to watch this video
I’m sorry man. That sounds really rough and scary. I hope you are feeling better now. Please pray affirming things for yourself and others.
I took Dr. K's knowledge for granted too long, don't know why I ever discounted meditation. As someone who still has residual anxiety on SSRIs, I have experienced relief from microdose on psiliocibe, only downside is it doesn't teach me about my anxiety on its own. Meditation should be what I need. In recognizing more privileges other people have I learn how many I have myself
Hey Dr. K, love your stuff as usual! For the video editing, could you reduce the frequent jump cuts after each sentence? It can feel quite overwhelming to listen to and it disrupts the natural flow, making it harder to absorb the information. Adding natural pauses would enhance the listening experience. It almost feels like a 30-min long tiktok video.
I guess that is why in rajyoga it is said to make your base with yamas and niyamas then prepare body by asanas and pranayam and then after pratyahara to for dharna.
Would shoonya be considered open awareness? I suffer from depression and social anxiety and I've been doing your shoonya practice that you showed in why you can't feel anything anymore video. I've been doing it for a month but in the past 2 weeks I've been doing it everyday and I notice my rumination has decreased a ton and the voice in my head is not torturing as much as it was. Should I keep doing shoonya, or could it be dangerous because I do still have those dormant negative thoughts and identities etc
I've recently started doing "reverse meditations", which is basically open awareness on steroids. You use and focus on pain, to achive greater insights on what pain is, your relation to it and who and what "we" are. In the context of the video, it seems this is one of the more dangerous practice.
Schopenhauer fan?
So i was at work one night and I sat in a lotus pose and passed out....next thing I know I'm in the middle of literally nowhere and I float to this platform where this...guy was at. Guy looked like an art mannequin. We talked for a few minutes but he told me my mom was gonna die in a few days and there wasn't anything I could do. He lit me on fire and I had a bunch of images and memories thrown into my head. I woke up at 3am (( i passed out at midnight)) and called her and a bunch of other people. Well 3 days later she died in an Uber on the way to the store. Found out I had done something called a kundalini awakening which is weird because I wasn't into any of this sort of thing. But sense then my ability to focus and read people is clearer due to it just believe. I used to be very gullible. I wasn't able to understand why. I don't say it wasn't worth it but it is life changing
Wow this is so odd. Ty for sharing. I wonder what caused this
Awesome testimony. I'm sorry for your loss.
Hey dude, hope you are ok and well, i am a begginer in meditation and i am astounished from your story. Hope you are well from a very young dude.
@DrewJordan. i mentioned it. It was a kundalini awakening....see when my mom died in this Uber we drove to the hospital...I gave him the option and i was trained CPR as a security guard. They got her on a stretcher and i came to check on her for 3 days. By the 3rd day I talked to the doctor and I asked him about her odds of survival and coming back...he said because she was out for awhile (( 5+ minutes)) the odds of her coming back were near none. So I was asked if I wanted to be in the room when they pulled her... I said no...I couldn't see her like that anymore. And she didn't come back. For 6 months I had dreams of us talking and she knew she was gone in those dreams. To me was weird and I was aging in the dreams from kid to an adult. When I was an adult was the last dreams and she said it was her time to go. I was ok the whole way through it like the thing told me oddly enough.
My mom always talked about something she did called the touch. Where she would touch someone and see stuff...I wonder if this was it or something else all the time.
Ive seen other stuff but most of it is always depressing. I wonder why it's like this and not something else now.
@greapymilk2619 im ok...i was in my mid 20s when this happened. I am now 32
Super interesting and it makes me evaluate on my own practise. Generally I feel very good about my practise, except for open awareness practise which I stopped doing some time ago. Its not a practise that works good on its own - I def had to combine it with some kind of loving kindness and compassion practise. But its a problem, I guess, if you only do meditation and not the rest of the package. Yoga will open up, but also ground you in your body and pranayama releases stuck feelings and pain, but you have to be very carefull that you do pranayama the right way. Some say that bastrika and kapalbhati can give anxiety and its true, it can - if you dont follow the rules of pranayama exsactly. In my own case, for many years I was kinda arrogant about how to do the sadhana. It gave me a lot of problems. The old yogis know what they are doing and you better follow what they tell you to do, otherwise - trouble ahead.
There are some practise I dont do because I cant handle the emotions they stir up. Mindrullness is crusial to learn as the first step and working with loving kindness meditation and compassion. Its totally difficult and you just wanna have instent enlightenment, but no sir. Thats not how it works.
In my opinion doing sadhana is a full time job and its difficult - its hard and Sometimes very painfull. But its also very very beuatifull and very rewarding. Today Im relaxed about my sadhana. I enjoy doing it. I go out and listen to some music. Have a beer. Meet people. I dont do meditation for meditation sake. I do it to be open to life and every beuatifull thing it has to offer.
My brother is meditating from over 10 years now every day. I had few instances where he behaved weird. Once I tried to wake him up, as he looked like he had fallen asleep and when he opened his eyes he looked terrified. I've never seen my brother so scared in my life! For a several seconds he didn't knew who I am and after he remembered himself he told me that was the scariest part. Few more times he had been falling asleep, sometimes fully on the earliest occasions, right there as he's standing, and behaves on an auto pilot. This always happens if he's not on his chair where he meditates in the time that happens, as he always did that at 11PM
Woah. Is it overall positive for him?
It sounds like your brother may be using some special meditation enhancers.
Your brother really needs ro find an experienced and trustworthy meditation teacher. At least, in Tibetan Buddhism that I am aware of, there is very respectable meditation centres all around the world!
So a focused attention meditation for 12 hours a day for 1 year it is then. I'll be walking on the sun in no time!
Thank you for making this video!
Meditation is under- and overestimated in its benefits and dangers; so basically all around, and all due to a vast of understanding (I'm no exception). Especially pop culture has not done it the right service, but worse so the superficial, emotionally immature esoterics from around the world. Personally I believe these days that many bad twists and dark heresies they believe to be good are the product of the Cluster-B first and foremost, but that's another topic. I'll be sure to check out the rest and so should everyone else. Thank you especially for your acknowledgement that open-awareness meditation type can be very distressing, as hard PTSD made it basically impossible for me to do that. However, it is the type that processes the most imho, and if there are things in your life to work through that don't send you to the floor spasming, this is a great way. It won't be easy, it will still be painful, but the first thing is simply as long as you know what you're potentially getting yourself into, it's less likely to go bad. It's the unexpected that disrupts the most. Minor trauma, if there's not a huge quantity of it, works imho. It is also that which leads to reflection, as you mentioned, and that is likely why Narcissists avoid it like the little Soot-spirits in Ghibli-movies avoid the light - and is the very reason they are stuck the way they are. Sam Vaknin had an interesting way to force them into a self-reflective state, because effectively you thus have to passive-aggressively facilitate that towards them. You can't force someone into meditation who doesn't want to, but you can remove reaction-stimuli without them noticing, and thus the mind having self-reflection as the only action left. Take my babble for what you will. I'm just poking in the dark.
On focused meditation: If trauma has damaged, maybe to total absence, abilities associated with the lowest levels in the orders of consciousness (chakras), like retaining anything for yourself for self-preservation, saying no to someone's asking for help knowing full well you're in no state anymore to do so without severely injuring yourself or worse, can such focused meditation heal or restore or build such back up? I would believe pathological altruism, the whole doormattery, where you have zero defensive capabilities anymore, from certain and longterm types of physical and/or psychological child abuse is generated by that. Sorry, I don't have the mind to rewrite that sentence.
I always find it interesting how the conversation seems to go with the risks of this practice and yet you can still see the same phenomenon in typical religious conventions where there is fervor, ecstasy or rapture. Anything can be an experience leading to the psychotic. This isn’t just the domain of mindfulness or meditation.
Thats true, but churches developed mechanisms for regulating this danger. I am not advocating the churches, but the old saying goes that one should follow the spiritual traditions of the native culture - after all we are incarnated in the special place and time for a reason.
@ I’d like to disagree with you, if you consider history. I do think when you couple this with power or incontrovertible dogma / authority, it can be especially dangerous. Consider what happened to John Lennon just to start. And then any other egomaniac for that matter. Spiritual testament doesn’t automatically qualify as being veritable. And yet you see this in institutions and structures more rather than individual meditative practices.
I tried out a specific meditation 'technique' with candles and a mirror.
Started floating away and hearing a voice calling out for me (felt comforting but scary at the same time).
Wow meditating for 21 years is a LONG time! Which ashram did you stay in? I've done the 10 day silent retreat and I thought it was one of the hardest things I've ever done.
One person on my only 10 day retreat thought he was Jesus Christ during the retreat
@@nicol8090 hahahaha that's hilarious. Interestingly enough some philosophies would argue that is exactly the point/destination of self inquiry.
Do you think these chakras and spirtual field things are real? I feel like they're psychological devices, not real but metaphorical to bring about certain states of mind. Would you agree?
@@----f I think it's all very relative.
What's 'real' to us is literally an illusion. Because our visual (and other) apparatus is unable to perceive things as a sub-atomic level, our brain fills in a lot of the 'gaps' and we see a 'person' or a 'table' or a 'chair'.
But based on what we know in terms of quantum physics that's literally not the case.
But yet we call that 'real'
It's clear to me that we have almost zero capacity to see things as they truly are using our eyes, ears, touch, smell etc.
Always a pleasure sir, thank you for making these ❤ Have you ever helped someone cure Frozen Shoulder using psychology? I'm coming off a nearly 8-month inability to play mouse games because of a dual frozen shoulder, and I'm worried about it coming back, so any new angle on this would be helpful. If not, no worries, I still benefit from your content 😊
I absolutely love this episode it was very informative!
I'd be curious on how much or how often people meditate unconsciously and don't even realize it..
It works and it's safe. I healed my colitis with mindfulness. Went to the doctor this summer and he was impressed that everything got healed, without any drugs. The issues is that doctors are asking for studies, in order to recommend it as a remedy. But conducting studies means that they need to be sponsored, means money. No pharma organisation will sponsor this kind of study, that will bankrupt them.
13:23 Is disconnection from the self a negative experience? I've always thought those were the best meditation sessions--the ones where I feel like I've literally left my body and can see myself sitting there from the 3rd person, occasionally I float off out of the room leaving my body behind. Whenever I finish a meditation where that happens I feel arguably the most enlightened moments in my life: I feel blissfully one with the universe, my ego has been entirely set aside, and I can think truly clearly for at least a few hours before regressing to the mean. Very rarely has there been brief moments of feeling like I drifted so far I couldn't return which instilled momentary panic.
At 19:45 there’s a mention of emotion being laterally localised. I have been taught that emotion isn’t particularly laterally localised, in contrast to functions like language, creativity, and visuospatial reasoning. Care to elaborate?
This has been very helpful. I've experienced many of these negative effects at one point or another and somehow (dunning kruger?) had no idea where they were coming from.
Woa! What an amazic topic🙏👏 am still halfway but woa nobody talks about that stuff! Dr K very brave of you!
"it's located just behind the G-spot"
ad: are you feeling alone in the world?
I can't make this shit up lol. the algorithm is catching a body for that >:[
I went to meditation group once, it was relaxing and stuff, but they did this put your bad memories into a suitcase and throw them off a cliff visualisation exercise. I could have done without those bad memories rising to the surface that I had almost moved on from. I think this is what's put me off every other time I've tried it, (thought observance), that it kept bringing up bad memories. But breathe focusing didn't do that. Niether did just just listening to the pretty birds and nature sounds.
If you don't like bring up bad memories then you probably haven't moved on from them. It sounds like you're pretending they don't exist, avoiding them or running away.
You just described something call the “flash” technique of processing or EMDR 2.0 style stuff. Research is still ongoing but there is thinking you can sort of slice trauma so thinly that you can clear it without focusing on it. It is brought into conscious awareness but briefly and without flooding and it seems to really work and have some promise for folks who can’t or don’t want to do more dis regulating processes that’s more traditional in trauma treatment.
Dealing with this right now having huge gains with meditation but around negative ppl and it’s hurting me deeply.
OMG it was super interesting! 😲❤
I just found you some weeks ago, such a treasure! I try to find holistic doctors around me but someone who is both a doctor and has spiritual practices is so rare 😢
I also had some bad experiences during (guided) meditation like fearful scenes arrived, but neither I experienced such things nor I watched movies like those. Is my brain so creative? 😅 I stopped the meditation immediately then.
But I also have such beautiful experiences too, like wonderful images, ideas, scenes like from another dimension, even my chronic backpain was gone once (a month ago) and still remained easier. 😄❤
Idk if that counts as meditation but when I bath I like to experience my breath. Keep my Head under water as long as possible and focus on how it all feels. And all that for op to 2hours
I love doing it it feels so refreshing
I think you should make a video about lucid dreaming, how to do it, how it works. That'd be really nice
I met a cobra goddess through my mind once while meditating. Terrifying and humbling experience. I can understand why people report adverse experiences.
Maybe you saw a mirror image of yourself.
Seek Christ.
I was waiting for which chakras are dangerous. In vignana bhairava tantra one technique is feel peace in the heart center & that's supposed to be super safe.
As a Buddhism theory devout, I believe meditation, Samathā, ultimately and primarily is about letting go, i.e. blameless actions across ten directions, resulting in abiding in skillful emotional qualities through a meditation, so maybe that's why modern meditation went wrong.