Install SSD Solid State Drive In Roland VS1680, VS1880, VS1824, Boss BR1600
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2021
- How to install a new solid state drive in your Boss BR1600, BR 1600CD and Roland VS1680, VS1880 or VS1824CD. This may work in other Boss and Roland devices but I have not tested it in those. A device I could not get it to work in is my Korg D1200 :( .
The solid state drive I successfully tested and have been using for several months is the KingSpec PATA SSD purchased from Amazon but available on other sites as well. I was unable to get the VS series to recognize more than 8GB even when a larger drive was used. The BR1600 can use 64GB or larger, not sure what the maximum size limit is for that device. Also, I was able to use new SATA (not solid state though) drives in the BR1600 with a PATA to SATA converter purchased from Amazon. So far I've been unable to get a SATA drive of any type to work in a Roland VS multitrack recorder.
Amazon 40 to 44 Pin Converter for use with Boss BR1600: "GODSHARK IDE to Desktop PC Adapter, 2.5 inch 44 Pin HDD Hard Disk Drive or SSD to 40 Pin 3.5 inch PATA Port Converter Card"
Amazon 32 GB SSD: "32GB KingSpec 2.5-inch PATA/IDE SSD Solid State Disk (MLC Flash) SM2236 Controller" - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
In the description I added some notes and also some details on the specific items purchased on Amazon to make this work.
the korg is ide not pata harddrive you can buy ide ssd harddrives but whats the point ssd vs platter old style hd's will outlive ssd harddrives.
@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039 Hello, I think that an IDE drive IS an example of a PATA drive?
Thank you for this. Just fitted an 8Gb KingSpec PATA SSD in my VS1680 and it's working fine.👍
Do the screens appear with the new SSD ?
I think they are built in. But need a working hard drive to be displayed.
@@aceventura5398 Yes. Everything works the same as when fitted with the original hard drive.
@@Hickoree thanx for replying. Im searching for the same original seagate HDD. I can get a new one around $185. Looks exactly the same. Though slight diff in part number.
No need for adaptor.
How long have you had the SSD working in yours
Super interesting. I wanna try this on a sp-808
Thank you, Noel even though besides VS 1680, I have Vs 880, too! Cheers!
Did it work with the VS-880? Is there an additional adapter needed? What size in GB did you use?
Cheers
Ha! We used to put 1-2Gb laptop hard drives in our VS-840's 15 years ago - then figured out that SD or CF card readers were even better - but the VS-840 partitioned whatever you installed into as many 1Gb partitions as needed - but only the 1st partition was accessible since the VS-840 didn't have the ability to format/switch to the 2nd or higher partition. Still have my VS-840 flashed to EX with CF reader.
Nice work Noel. The BR1600 will only see a max of two 40gb partition, for a total of 80gb, even when using a larger HD.
Thanks for that info, Paul. I’m hoping this video will help others keep some of these old but excellent machines running for a few more years.
More than a couple years. I own numerous multi track recorders. BR1180 & 1600 from the BOSS line up alone. This info is great. I have 18+ years experience with multi track recording and will always use the same interface. Always. Obviously my mics, pre's, mixer, etc are all way more studio pro but I always stick with the standalone multi track as my main plate. This info is amazing😊. Ty. I will upgrade eventually here @@noelsharp appreciate it. If anyone wants to hear my recordings you can. Ty
Thank you for this Video very helpful only created two songs (5 mins each in length )on my Roland vs-1680 and the disk is already full won't allow anymore recording.
Full after only two five minute songs, that’s very unusual. You probably tried this already but optimizing songs to delete old unused takes can help free up space.
@@noelsharp Thanks for the tip will try that out.
@@noelsharp Greetings Noel I just brought another 1680 (Now I have two with the same problem) I laid a 3 min draft of a song now ready to record the 6 min full version I just laid the Drum track and attempted to lay the scratch Vocals and the screen read DISK MEMORY FULL. Now it won't let me record anymore? I have no idea why it's doing this and no where in the manual on how to delete songs or why this is happening even though there is not many songs recorded on either unit. I'm hoping you can help me . I would be willing to pay you via paypal $50.00 for 30 mins of your time on the phone to help me figure out why these units are doing this. PLEASE HELP Thanks
Update was able to reformat the hard drive if I can't figure out how to delete a song I will contact you in 2 days and perhape ask for the help on erasing a song and of course I will pay you for your time thanks.
After putting in the SSD in the VS1824 are you able to turn it off and on without it wanting to Format itself?
hello, good morning, I have some backup CDs from the VS 2400 CD, can you suggest me some software to do this conversion to waves?
Thanks, I have a BR1600CD and was hoping to install a spare SSD I have which is SATA Rev.3 Kingston 120GB drive. SATA won't work?
Hello, could you give me information about which is the old disc used by the vs 1680?
I have the VSR-880 which dismounts through the front.
I was able to get a HDD from Roland that matched perfectly. But sadly no noise from the drive, no lights. Seems another pronblem needs fixing. Ive noticed a yellow goo has i think seeped out from two similar parts that have openings at the bottoms.
Anyone know if this is a proublem ?
Thank You Noel for this very useful guide! I have a later BR-1600 with an 80GB drive. As I understand it, this is basically a single hard drive which is partitioned into 2 x 40GB. When using the Boss you can select which drive you want to load (via Utility - HDD). I thought I would need a drive big enough to be allow for 2 40GB, so I have ordered a PATA SSD (128 GB). The next size down from that would be (64 GB). Then I read on the Roland site that the drive must be a maximum of 80 GB? My question is - will a 128GB drive work?
Very late answering this, my apologies. I’m not sure if the 128 can be utilized by these devices. Did you try the larger sizes?
Apparently drives larger than 80G will work but only 80G will be accessible by the br1600. 40G models have to have a firmware upgrade to get to 80G space, too.
How did you go with the SSD? It's a good option if it's reliably functional.
I have problem with Boss BR-1600 with same HDD what I see in your video. After instalation and initialization device said "HDD Error" What version of ROM (firmware) you have ?
OK, I upgraded Boss BR-1600 to FW version 2.20 and now disk work fine.
Yes, it is normal to see HDD Error with a new drive. Just continue and follow the initialise procedure.
I’m going to try a cf card reader
Did someone successfully try it with a VS880EX?
I have a VSR-880 and I would love it if someone would tell me just how to start recording? Any help is appreciated because I have downloaded the users guide and can't understand it.
Can this be done with the br1200 for faster processes and larger capacity HD space? Currently 40 gb is under the hood.
The upgrade will make the BR1200 faster and more reliable. The max it will “see” may be limited to 80GB.
Thank you so much for this tutorial. I have a Bri-1600 do the ssd reds any formatting or it will start working as soon as installed?
Sorry about misspelled words. Bro 1600 and if it needs any formatting
It’s been a while since I installed a drive. I believe you have to use the BR1600 to format it the first time you start it up after the install.
@@noelsharp hi noel.
Will the screens appear with a replacement hard drive ?
Do they not need to be down loaded ?
Formatting might be the same thing ?
If so how ?
SCSI Roland vs 1880 not star initialize SCSI
Okay I followed the video about fitting a PATA SSD. I have the 80GB Boss BR-1600 so decided that I would need a 128GB drive as a 64GB would not be enough to create 2 x 40GB drive partitions. I also purchased a SATA converter exactly as described. I made sure to put a jumper on the second set of pins as per the advice. Powered on and nothing happened apart from the Boss logo screen (no hard disk activity light). Powered off again and moved the jumpers to position 1. This time the Boss booted up but reported a HDD error. I went into utilities and tried to format the HDD but it reported 'HDD Error.' I powered off again and removed the jumper altogether and tried booting up again - but no joy. So it didn't work unfortunately. It does say somewhere in the manual that you shouldn't use a disk larger than 80GB? So could be the reason? I really don't know.
It won't work never trust anyone on TH-cam telling you for what ever reason
i have lots of multitracks with ide harddrives and wouldn't even attempt to put
new tech in these old machines they dont run windows 10 lol even my old XP computer cant run on a SSD. And it's not because the harddrive is 128gb because it would only recognize it as the maximum the firmware could accept on the machine it's simply not compatible. The guy that made this video is sick in the head
@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039 I did get it to work eventually, however you must purchase exactly the items as shown. The same brand and size of PATA SSD and the PATA converter. I have yet to get an SSD that works (I have tried a few different IDE to SSD converters. However, some have managed to get SSDs to work). When I put this PATA 64GB in the BOSS BR-1600 it allowed me to initialise and partition (Div x 2). This gave me 2 x 30 GB partitions. (I have the 80GB version of Boss).
@@JimBerryKeyboards I have had the same problem but i have tascams and korg multitracks and the adapters dont have jumper connections like ide hard drives do so that will be a problem. Also i have read that even the pata ide SSD drives ''they are quite expensive'' vs sata SSD drives dont work either they will format and record but grable up the audio. SSD is a tottaly diffrent format that spinning harddrives in the way they take the information. Unless the manufacturers write new softwear for the machines it's kind of pointless trying SSD.
For the amount of time a spinning disk gets used vs a computer it should last. My harddrives are not noisy so i was just curious to why people are trying to upgrade to SSD.
@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039
I’ve had no issues with BR-1600 using a PATA SSD. Tomorrow I’m trying out an mSATA in an IDE converter case. I haven’t noticed much improvement speed-wise using SSD but less noisy and if I’m not mistaken - less hiss?
@@JimBerryKeyboards Thats great i take it you did not have to use a adapter with the PATA SSD i just dont like the idea putting a ide adapter in anything they where really used for getting info from ide harddrives onto sata drives like operating systems they can fail so not something i would consider.
But that's great you have success with your pata drive.
Has anyone converted the BR1600 and used it extensively? Any performance issues afterwards? Though the BR1600 has HD size limits you can partition multiple drives on an HD, easily switchable. Anyone try the multiple drive partition with this SSD PATA conversion? I was thinking of converting to 256GB vs 64GB which would theoretically support multiple drive partitions. But we all know what `theoretical' means. So many questions! Thanks.
I have used the SSD on the 1600 version 2.0 fairly extensively with zero issues so far. The most I can get it to “see” is 80GB and that can be partitioned. I’m not aware of anyone being able to use more than 80GB total in the BR1600.
Yes, I’ve managed to get 2 x partitions on a 64GB PATA SSD. You won’t get more than 2 partitions however as the O/S is only designed to see a max of 2.
If one is getting that dreaded🙄💦”Drive Busy!” message,.. it’s the Hard Drive giving up the ghost isn’t it? f(-_-!) Can ANYTHING 🙏🏾🥺be done other than replace the drive to get back to full functionality on the Boss 1600CD!!?? Love the ol’Gal and prefer THAT kind of Music making than DAW!! .in which I hate‼️👎🏾🤨😒Planning to upgrade to a more current model but just wanna finish up ongoing projects with the Boss 1600CD + plus keep her running,..in my life & relevant for my taste of recording! Not ready for a divorce yet!..😟💦Still in love with Ol’Gal❣️🎶🎵📀🎛🔊🔊👍🏾🥰
I'm with you on this! Much prefer using the BR-1600 to a DAW.
@@JimBerryKeyboards Hi!…Yes,..I really enjoy working on music with the Boss 1600CD,..Boss 1180CD & Boss 900CD! (Especially in these times!🙄😰2022❗️) Dig ‘em soooo much that I own 3!! Thinking of getting the Tascam MTRs that were released a few years back,…they seem like they will let me perpetuate my style/ preference of recording for awhile to come as well. Hopefully ..I’ll still get to do work on my Boss gear thanks to this video upload! b(‘_
How many GB has the old hard drive on the VS1880 ?
Mine had the original 6GB drive installed by Roland.
@@noelsharp the VS 1880 can suport 64GB hard drive?
I think 8GB is the maximum that the VS1880 can use. Mine is unable to use more than that. The VS2000 or other newer models are probably able to use more.
@@noelsharp thank s a lot por you replay
I have the VS1680, would it work at all with a higher GB drive? Or is it true that it won’t work with anything over 8GB?
On the VS1680 I believe 8GB is the most that can be used.
@@noelsharp I threw in a 32GB drive and it works great. 👍
@@jtmotenz where did you get your 32gb drive that works?
Bump for the Vs1680 for my dad. I wanna throw a 40gb pata drive in there for him, $15 on eBay, will it work?? (20x2gb partitions?)🤔
will this work on my 1180 CD? loved my machine now she's down
It should work if the device powers on but you are getting an error that the existing internal drive can’t be read.
Thanks Noel.......I've had it a long time. I'll try it and if shes gone I'll get something else.,@@noelsharp
This only works with 16gb
It is necessary to re load the OS ?
No the OS is stored on a Flash ROM which is completely separate to the HDD.
@@JimBerryKeyboards is OS the screen imformation?
@@aceventura5398 - Basically the operating system is stored within the device and is separate to the hard drive so you won’t affect or disrupt by putting in a replacement drive.
@@aceventura5398 - yes that’s what you see on screen.
@@JimBerryKeyboards thanx jim. Ive been investigating this for hours. Its realy difficult to understand the language when NEVER owned a computor.
Located what looks the exact same HDD new. Some serial numbers differ.
The original is almost 20 yr old. Numbers may have changed but still be compatable.
The board is identical.
Any thoughts?
You could install it that way or take the adapter out of the housing like a normal person so you don’t bend the pins 😂
sounds a little bit like stephen malkmus
And, likely the most important question, does the sd conversion speed up exports and imports, which is probably the worst aspect of this otherwise fine recording unit. Anyone?
It does speed it up some but not like when you replace a hard drive in a PC with an SSD.
no the operating system of the processor on the multitrack recorder will not work faster and possibly reformat the harddrive everytime you switch the multitrack recorder on. I would advise not to waist your time and money on old tech to run ssd's if you are recording serious music projects.
@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039 But,..if you do this replacement ..(I need to!😬>…got that dreaded 😱“Drive Busy!” repetitive message!!☹️😩😭)Couldn’t one just “save” to CD-RW to assure data is backed up to recover when necessary? f(‘, ‘)? Planning to upgrade to newer MTR but wanna save / complete a project in progress!😐🙄Not particularly fond of DAW recording!👎🏾😒
@@FlamesAt1000ft You should not try and put SSD drives in a old IDE operating system that never gets updates buy a used ide drive it's not like your using it all day like a pc. Why even put a ssd in the first place
Maybe he’s putting it in a different Roland.
This doesn’t work for the vs1680.the. Best thing is 1 gb