No section of the NEC is owned by freight operators. The small sections not owned by amtrak are owned by regional/state operators like metro north and MBTA
I'm a Marylander, and I am excited about connecting the entire Northeast Megapolis. It would be nice if we could also get another rail branching off the Corridor to also connect us to the Great Lakes Megapolis.
If a maglev super train could get me from Washington DC to New York city in an hour or less, you damn right i would park my car, save the fuel and take the train.
Regardless of the rail technology chosen, they *WILL* need to build this new line as a dedicated line so trains can run at effectively full speed between Boston to Washington, DC. It won't be cheap, but being able to travel from New York City to Washington, DC at speeds up to 320 km/h (199 mph) could make the whole idea worthwhile.
The fifteen year $105 billion "Connect 2035" proposal would be spent mostly repairing and replacing 120 year old neglected infrastructure north of NYC. Plus increase the speed on tracks south of NYC. The net gain in time saved would be whopping thirty minutes from DC to Boston.
They should add Trenton NJ to the list since Wilmington Delaware is included. It maybe a few extra minutes but it would include another popular city along the northeast corridor and yet great for the Trenton Transit center. Newark NJ as another popular city might as well be skipped since it’s almost next to New York City while Trenton is almost halfway between Philadelphia and New York City.
Newark is important as the fastest way to downtown Manhattan from the east is to transfer to the PATH at Newark instead of staying on the train to Midtown and taking the A, 2, or 3.
I believe the route mapping I saw for this took it into NJ south of Trenton and would use row of the NJ turnpike east of Trenton Maybe extend PATH to EWR and NJT or the river line or even the Princeton NJT dinky to a station for the Maglev just east of Plainsboro and could also be another MAGLEV station. Alternatively maybe a station on 95 by in DE. Lastly the MAGLEV should also hit BWI and the rebuilt KEY bridge could facilitate a crossing and a new station with a Baltimore light rail to it to avoid most of Baltimore row issues
I subscribe to a lot of TH-cam channels because I am interested in a lot of topics. Sometimes so many come in on the same day that I have to choose. Sometimes by topic and sometimes by the length of a video. This was a very interesting video, and I appreciate the length of it. 👍🏼
The Northeast also works well for rail compared to elsewhere because owning a car is not necessary in several of the cities. Elsewhere they're a lot of six hour drives where people are yarning for HSR until they realize they would need to rent a car
It goes both ways. People currently justify owning a car to being able to travel to nearby places/cities too. If there are good rail connections, there is less of that argument, and more people will go car free. Then the destination city will also need to provide better public transit facilities since they do get tourists without vehicles. So it's a chicken and egg, and whichever comes first will help boost the other, which will then boost the first again.
Hopefully more money gets sent Amtraks way to upgrade the corridor. They would like to upgrade an additional 100 miles of the NEC to High Speed Standards over the next 10 years. It's easy to install new catenary when you're building a new line. It's much harder when, you have hundreds of trains using it already.
Hm, I thought Amtrak is a private company? Why are you calling for taxpayer money, when "the market" supposedly regulates everything so beautifully? (Asking for a friend.)
@@hape3862 public infrastructure in the form of roads and airports have been almost entirely publicly funded. Why should rail - which is both more effective in dense urban environments and more environmentally friendly than either alternative - be exempt from public funding?
Thoughts on the MagIev route and responding to why Trenton’s left out. I believe the route mapping I saw for this took it into NJ south of Trenton and would use row of the NJ turnpike east of Trenton Maybe extend PATH to EWR and NJT or the river line or even the Princeton NJT dinky to a station for the Maglev just east of Plainsboro and could also be another MAGLEV station. Alternatively maybe a station on 95 by in DE. Lastly the MAGLEV should also hit BWI and the rebuilt KEY bridge could facilitate a crossing and a new station with a Baltimore light rail to it to avoid most of Baltimore row issues
Umm why not have the maglev serve different communities like the Lehigh Valley area en route to NYC and Philly? Let Acela stop at a new island platform station near Princeton jct and skip Trenton altogether simplify service run Acela at higher frequencies and only stop at select stations and boost the frequency of NJT/SEPTA Trains and MARC for the extra stops
I agree. Because, the Northeast maglev project is basically importing the Japan's proven maglev technology into the US. Back in the Obama period, the politicians who have been promoting the NECHSR(such as Raymond LaHood, Anthony Foxx, Larry Hogan) had visited the test track of Chuo Shinkansen in Yamanashi and been convinced of the feasibility of maglev, then they approved the budget for the project.
To alleviate airport congestion and pollution, the govt should invest heavily in hi speed rail connecting every major and second tier city in the usa (with agreements with Ottawa to have hi speed spurs connecting nyc and montreal and montreal Toronto and so on) . Trains are more efficient at moving people short and medium distances than planes, as well . Then airlines can concentrate on improving their long haul flights, eliminating most short hops.
No. High speed rail does not work between all big and medium cities. The advantage of flying is that all the airlines can adapt and optimize routes based on what the customer wants or needs. For decades it's been shown the federal government does not know what the customer needs, yet tries to demand the needs of each. The Northeast corridor cannot be assumed on any other part of the country.
@@derbagger22 having lived in numerous places both in the usa and in other nations ( where large and médium cities are connected by rail)i disagree. It does work if it is designed properly....and we can do as france recently did and eliminate most small intercity flights in favour of hi speed rail).
@@derbagger22In the US, thieves are stealing packages from freight cars, who knows what they’ll steal from a high speed rail? Those cables and sensors on slab tracks are surely conspicuous
I love your video but you got something wrong. No Freight Railroad owns any parts of the NEC. New York/Connecticut state own the slowest portion of the NEC between New Rochelle and New Haven. Everything is owned by Amtrak.
Richmond Virginia is not a big city but it does have roughly 1.5 million people in its metro area. More importantly it has a Federal Reserve and needs to be included in the high speed rail service in the northeast corridor.
The jump from "let's make incremental improvements to Acela" to "Let's build a MAGLEV between DC and Boston", while breathtaking, kind of reminds me of the Monorail episode of The Simpsons. Sounds like the decision of a committee of people who know absolutely nothing about transportation.
That would be great but even better yet would be, the United States Atlantic bullet line. A highspeed bullet train set line from Boston Massachusetts to Miami Florida, stopping in one or two cities in each state it travels through. Traveling at speeds of up to 240 to 250 mph this line would move people up and down the entire United States Eastern seaboard with great comfort. Trust me if the United States of America can put a man on the moon to jump around and pick up rocks at a cost of billions of dollars, they can do a mega project like this and improve infrastructure by 60 percent at the least. When it comes to the travel seasons especially around holidays, this would be a better alternative to being stranded at airports due to cancellations and delays. Of course traveling by car would take 23 to 26 hours from New York city to Miami Florida. So forget the stress inducing ordeal of boarding a flight and park the car and save the fuel and take the train. You can get a nice meal, have a beverage, kick back and relax. Enjoy the view racing by you, watch a movie or simply take a nap. The United States Atlantic bullet line.
@@carlsmith5545 The problems with all this is cost and infrastructure. Neither sadly that will be addressed in the foreseeable future. First is the infrastructure, in a word it's a mess. Too much of even the NEC needs major straightening to make any of this possible. Then there's the fact that after the NEC much of what is rail is owned still by the freight lines. The Government when it bailed out the rail lines in the 70's creating Amtrak. Didn't require them to give up control of the rails themselves. One of the reasons Airports work is all the companies fly in and out pay for the airport up keep. Now if they'd done that with the freight lines we'd probably have had a much better system than we do now. Then you have the inevitable costs, just to fix all the rail itself will cost billions no one wants to spend. Especially the freight lines since they won't see the benefit. so really if we're going to do anything a fresh system like maglev might be more cost effective. This would be a showcase that not only does this work but can be viable for other places around the world. Sadly I like we'll be six feet under before any of this comes about.
@@RobertWilke Cost? Really? The United States of America is supposed to be mighty! Hell they put a man on the moon to jump around and pick up rocks at a cost of billions! They want to put some fool on mars and at a cost of 500 billion dollars pluss. Now explain to me besides the fool, who will benefit from this? Costs? Remember the money the United States of America gave, (GAVE) away in stimulus packages during the pandemic? That cost the United States government over 7 trillion dollars. 800 billion dollars went to the military this year from the spending budget. Cars are becoming more and more complext and expensive especially when it comes to the all new, all electric vehicles. Electric? Umm bullet trains are also electric. I'm sorry but i refuse to believe that the (mighty), United States of America can put a man on the moon benefiting absolutely no one except for a small few from the science community but yet cant build highspeed bullet trains benefiting millions. That doesn't even sound like America. We can accomplish anything just like the far more advanced countries of the far east. The older american generations rolled up their sleeves and did it. Today's american generations do nothing but sit around and come up with every excuse not to do something, criticize and proudly displayed negative reasonings thus the reason why we can't advance. Always remember what Malcolm said in Jurassic park, "Life finds away." Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology, the new american dream......
@@carlsmith5545I don't know if going all the way down to Miami makes the most sense, Florida's population centers are very separated from the one north of it. The best option might be hsr in Florida and a separate network that goes from Atlanta to Boston.
Whenever I get impatient with the pace of our German infrastructure projects, I watch a video about the HSR dreams of the US. That immediately comforts me.
We are ages behind the rest of the world when it comes to rail travel. Amtrak and VIA Rail in Canada are pretty pathetic in spite of their efforts. Very large countries have always tended toward air travel and personal vehicles hampering the growth of more sensible rail which is a real shame.
I still don't see the benefit of building Maglev over traditional (modern) high speed rail if you're going to build up an entire new main line. Maglev technology is still way under-developed for the US, a country that's still relearning how to jog in the world of high speed train transit and is only slowly yearning to take on the risks of major new rail construction. If given proper priority and infrastructure, traditional highspeed rail will do an amazing job over the NEC. Stick with something that is already known to work really well, do it right (don't half-ass it) and minimize the worst case scenario .
It should be noted that the Maryland Maglev proposal makes limited used of any existing transportation easements between Washington and Baltimore The station in Baltimore would be in the Westport area of Baltimore city south of the Urban core. The station in Washington DC would be at Mount Vernon Square no where near Union Station.
MagLev is still prohibitively expensive, but there are cost reduction that might take place in the future. A major aspect would be to break with the current train loading gauge and go much wider with double the width (≈24-foot) likely round up to 8 meters along with double decker layouts. An 8 meter wide loading gauge would offer stability for three levels likely with the first level being used for cargo with perpendicular simulations drive-on- drive-off automobiles and cargo containers in the period of a one minute stop. Axle loads are no longer a limiting factor with maglev such as with current rail. The much greater width is an attribute desired in passenger cars from the beginning of the railroad age that for awhile existed with 7-foot wide Brunel gauge in Britain. Having higher passenger density with double width and double decker maglev cars will keep popular maglev passenger trains from getting excessively long. Amtrak's popular long distance trains such as now discontinued Broadway Limited with both section combined in Harrisburg PA could easily stretch over 18 cars long. In the USA it maybe the high speed passenger train that eventually makes sense won't be in most peoples lifetimes as of now, but later with a much of it in deep tunneled alignments with double wide (24-feet) double decker maglev passenger trains running at over 600 kph. Sometime in the future large bore tunneling will be made much faster and cheaper than today. Added later 2024: China's CR600 about 4 meter wide Maglev initial train sets are being tested with future running speeds of 800 kph being a goal. China is planning 4,000 km of maglev lines.
1. To say that Amtrak's NEC is profitable is only true if you accept their non-GAAP complaint accounting. Maybe above the rail. Maintaining the NEC was a contributing factor to why its private predecessors The PennCentral and the New went bankrupt, and later during the bankruptcy proceedings the judge gave the NEC to Amtrak (as Conrail would not be profitable with it). 2. The stretches of track that you indicated were privately owned is not true. While they are not owned by Amtrak, they are owned by other government agencies, e.g. the CT DOT and NJ Transit. 4. The NEC's infrastructure is old. Amtrak estimates about $50 billion of improvements are needed. The most critical is probably doubling, and then upgrading the existing 100 yr old Hudson Tunnel. The existing tunnel were heavily damaged by super storm Sandy in 2012. Various viaducts operate under speed restrictions. A replacement tunnel under Baltimore is also close to getting construction funding. Incremental upgrade to the existing NEC will be - by far - a more efficient use of money than starting from scratch with Mag-Lev.
I know you are a railway enthusiast, but top speed is not that important. What matters is the easiness of the overall journey. When the railways were built, the business customers worked in town and travelled to work by train. Today most business customers live in the suburbs or beyond and few work in the urban centre. They also travel by car.
Cities need to be developed with transit in mind, transit oriented development. If your suburb was clustered around a train station and people lived a little closer to each other, no cars needed.
Even without maglev speed, high speed trains with top speeds of 300 kph(186 mph) are replacing short distance air travel of less than 1,000 km (620 mls) in many places around the world. It is a much better travel experience, has more usable time for business travelers, and times are comparable to air travel. Security and boarding takes much less time on trains than on planes.
Don't worry this High speed rail between Boston to Orlando will be built in the year of our lord 4323... when Man has already colonized Europa, one of the moons of Saturn
Good luck getting a Maglev right of way. Just as CAHSR. The Brightline train is a very good system. A cost effective five hour trip would be an achievement.
Interstate medians. Elevate the entire length, no ground contact allowed. Avoid stops at small towns like Trenton and Wilmington; they are already connected by commuter rail and don’t need any more service. With the exception of New York, avoid city centers and build the stations on the urban periphery to capture urban and suburban traffic.
@@metro-sn if you look at high speed rail in China (the country that has built more of it than any other country in the world) their high speed rail stations are almost always well outside of the city center with connections via subways to the parts of the city people need to get to. The reality is that no part of any city could feasibly be dense enough to support the potential capacity and throughput of high speed rail, so instead just connecting it seamlessly with the rest of the city’s metro infrastructure so that anyone anywhere in the city can reach it is more important than getting it as close as possible to the “center” or densest point of development
I'm a resident of MD specifically the county that it would cut through to get from DC to NYC. Alot of ppl in the county don't want to allow our county to be used unless we get a stop. We are the side of the city that is always overlooked.
The plan is to upgrade the NEC as much as possible, to 160 mph, and maybe more if it allows, but people would still trash the US for not having "True" high speed rail, even though we don't need just HSR, we need what HSR DOES, which we can get fine with the current plan. Sadly, as great as a flashy new line would be, it would be too expensive and no real way to build it easily. All it would really have is some government dollars and a TON of support, but not everything a high speed rail needs to work. Also, having just found out about the maglev plan, there might be a real plan, but it's not all over the news which is either a really good thing because people aren't there to critisize the project, or bad because the plan isn't developed yet.
I couldn't care less what people outside the US says. I can fly from any of about 6 airports within 90 minutes of where I live to maybe a few hundred different airports around the country and complete the trip in a few hours.
As much as I would like to have a maglev high speed train I doubt that such a maglev train will ever be built. The investment in maglev high speed trains would require a dedicated line very expensive to build in a corridor with property that would be expensive to acquire and will meet resistance from residents having a maglev line near them.
In all fairness to the Acela, it's working with a rail alignment that's the better part of two centuries old. IMO, while Maglev may be technically feasible, it is not practically reasonable. That Shanghai Maglev cost USD $1.33B for a glorified Air Rail Link. The billions that a WAS-BAL Maglev would require could be better invested on Amtrak's convention services
While ambitious, I think the correct play here would be to just make conventional high speed rail. The government and states already iffy about that, so I doubt they take this even more expensive gamble
So, I would love to see high speed land transport. But if this will be long term it needs to be expandable and not just in length (adding cities) but also in frequency (multiple trains operating) this would require multiple tracks. One train arriving every two hours carrying 2000 passengers is not convenient for riders. A train arriving every 15 minutes carrying 200-300 passengers each time may seem less efficient but is also less appealing. In order to accommodate multiple trains several tracks in each direction will cost more but I think would be much more efficient and at the very least would break even on cost.
What ever the cost, it is worth it. Trains are superior in that they can be boarded and disembarked from the center of a city. They use less energy to move the same number of people as planes and for trips around five hours they can be faster than airport excursions. Acela...is embarrassment after traveling on the high speed trains in Europe. We can do better. INSIDE information: Between Boston & NYC, Amtrak and the mag-lev planning has debated bypassing certain parts of CT to tunnel under the LI sound and enter NYC from LI. It's in the planning stages and tunnels are not as easy as surface construction, but this forward looking planing makes a lot of sense.
Correction: your figure for Japan’s shinkansen top speed are incorrect. 200-300km/h is more accurate. I dont think any Japanese trains in use go over 200mph and none are maglev, though some are planned. Honestly, China is probably a better place to look for rail innovations and speeds, with the Beijing-Shanghai railway including some services that AVERAGE up to 180mph.
I think maglevs have their purpose but are currently too expensive and novel to be practical compared to conventional high speed rail I trust that Japan and China can do it but for a nation that can't even get conventional rail I think a maglev is unnecessary. Conventional high-speed rail can be just as effective and would be much easier to implement.
Acela is extremely popular even when it’s more expensive than flying. There wouldn’t need to be more enticing people will take it to avoid traffic and parking
Trains have more space, less security hassle, smoother ride, no takeoff and landing, and usually better food. Private rooms are expensive Learn to share some space with other people, I promise it's gonna be ok. You can always bring earplugs and headphones in case someone has a baby
I personally believe maglev is a good technology but we should stick to high speed rail, it’s cheeper and easier to construct and probably the only way to convince politicians
@@simonjaz1279 the best is cool, but we need incremental change, a maglev isn’t a terrible project but we NEED high speed rail or atleast A useable/reasonable rail system then we can worry about upgrading to maglev
@@simonjaz1279 we should be doing what JR is doing in japan, if we can make people actually want to take trains and have them become financially stable, then we can build a maglev, just like they are doing!
Top most profitable magaregions Great Lakes Northeast Corridor Front Range Gulf Coast Texas Triangle Southern California Northern California Piedmont Atlantic Arizona's Sun Corridor Cascadia Basin and Range Central Plains
Bro you know Amtrak is not the only Corridor that its "ONLY Profitable its just that its the most money maker 0:00 , and also other lines like Keystone corridor, Empire Corridoe, Pacific Surfliners, Springfield Corridor, Lincoln service, etc. and majoriry state supported route DO make a profit, NOT JUST Northeast, Like Come ON🙄
The Mag-lev proposal is a waste of time imo. It taking money away from upgrading the Amtrack NEC to be able to let the TGV derived Alcea trains their max speed like they can do in France. The line also needs some corners realigning to allow the tilting trains to be able to pass each other as several turns simply lack the needs clearances. If the Feds want Amtrack to succeed they could give it the cash to start ASAP and electrify part either side of the corridor to extend the HRS corridors benefit and revenue. Unfortunately this is an Anglosphere nation so we can't have nice train.
I spoke a bit about the Shanghai maglev. I'm not sure why China should be mentioned any more than that? Shinkansen was brought up because it directly tied to into the Metroliner. I'll do a video on China's high speed rail some day and Hunter and I speak about it quite a bit on our upcoming podcast on High Speed Rail.
@@davidjackson7281 This person is just promoting Chinese rail. It's kinda random, but I don't see why you're getting so defensive about it. The truth of the matter is, we lack the political will for the government to do anything, and it's true that we're not building much public infrastructure here or abroad, even with the new funding last year. For example, the whole process of wasting time and money on studies and reports about Maglev, which would not be interoperable with any existing network and even more expensive than just fixing the NEC, shows that we aren't serious about transit. Moreover, this idea that a private firm can swoop in like Brightline, when they're planning to make most of their profit from land schemes, doesn't seem feasible, especially for the NE corridor. Therefore, Amtrak just has to upgrade their lines, which they are doing gradually, and forget about this maglev waste of time. So in the end, trying to compete with world class systems might be worse than just going for a decent level of intercity service, which is what I think you meant with regard to Brightline, and so I don't even see where you disagree.
@@jeois411 Yes, I think we both see the benefits of Brightline and the detriments of Maglev. Historically railroads profit from real estate development. That's a good thing. Seems to be working in Florida. I doubt that would be possible in the NEC like you said. The Brightline train sets seem quite efficient and speedy enough to average 80 mph. Acela averages 70 mph over the entire length. That has to do with track infrastructure. I appreciate your comments. Not so much because we agree but because it shows brilliant minds think alike. LOL. I just didn't see where China remarks, promoting or from a criticing perspective was appropriate for this video. Yes, I could have ignor it.
@@davidjackson7281 China, France, and Japan are relevant to the political will question and many aspects of this discussion like funding and expertise. I understand the comparison, and I don't agree that it's entirely irrelevant. Of course, the practical details are important, but I really think the fundamental issue is lack of political will. Unfortunately, I don't have much hope for private firms or partnerships. We've had a company trying to build a high-speed line between Dallas and Houston, and they've been in and out court for a whole decade and nowhere even started. Obviously, I'd still be satisfied with a non-electrified, faster-speed service like Brightline, but it's not easy running private passenger rail in the US, let alone a high-speed line, which is why it never happens. Public or private, they're going to run into similar issues where political efforts will be required, so we might as well make it public and a higher standard like roads and airports since it's going to be subsidized directly or indirectly anyway.
Geoff I love your videos but your statement that “the environmental impact statement is basically the last step before construction begins” is completely inaccurate. The environmental studies is one of the pieces to understand IF the project might be feasible. And even if it is feasible, several other steps still must be taken to understand if a project might actually happen someday.
After this was posted, The Amtrak Office of the Inspector General announced that the Acela 2 program had collapsed, and the already built and delivered trains sets were rejected.
"force"? More like the Chinese is truly living the 21st century lifestyle with choices of frequent public transports, taxi and car hailing options, free delivery services for everything including grocery Who in the third world still have to drive everywhere themselves, to shovel snow and mow the lawn themselves? Oh yea, and BBQ and grill is just a quick lazy way for those who don't know how to actually cook
@@champan250 Please move to China for a year so you can bring back personal experience of the benefits of Chinese urban living. I can assure you that poor elevator maintenance will quickly undermine any enthusiasm to live on the 17th floor level.
Easy solution: better elevator maintenance? Second elevator for redundancy? Many people already live in apartment buildings in America. Lots of people who live in big cities don't have drivers licences, they don't need to
You sound like you are having a bad day. Laos has a very nice new "fast speed" railroad with up to now four trips each way. Two go the 250 mile distance and two go half way. It's top speed is 100 mph. Freight shipments will greatly benefit. That is quite a bit less than the generally accept international standard of 155 mph. It is a system that Laos should be very proud. There were less than five miles of passenger rail before. You may wish to take the time to acquaint yourself with facts before making exaggerated statements.
If the northeast states could fund it themselves, they would. Reality is, the rest of the Country generally hates the northeast states so trying to get federal funding for all the work, just won't happen.
No section of the NEC is owned by freight operators. The small sections not owned by amtrak are owned by regional/state operators like metro north and MBTA
I knew that was wrong. That’s for correcting.
Correction at 3:29 The sections on the NEC not owned by Amtrak are not owned by freight companies, but commuter railroads and State DOTs
@@transitcaptain The reason we don’t have HSR from Boston to DC is Connecticut NIMBYs
I'm a Marylander, and I am excited about connecting the entire Northeast Megapolis. It would be nice if we could also get another rail branching off the Corridor to also connect us to the Great Lakes Megapolis.
If a maglev super train could get me from Washington DC to New York city in an hour or less, you damn right i would park my car, save the fuel and take the train.
Regardless of the rail technology chosen, they *WILL* need to build this new line as a dedicated line so trains can run at effectively full speed between Boston to Washington, DC. It won't be cheap, but being able to travel from New York City to Washington, DC at speeds up to 320 km/h (199 mph) could make the whole idea worthwhile.
The fifteen year $105 billion "Connect 2035" proposal would be spent mostly repairing and replacing 120 year old neglected infrastructure north of NYC. Plus increase the speed on tracks south of NYC. The net gain in time saved would be whopping thirty minutes from DC to Boston.
They should add Trenton NJ to the list since Wilmington Delaware is included. It maybe a few extra minutes but it would include another popular city along the northeast corridor and yet great for the Trenton Transit center. Newark NJ as another popular city might as well be skipped since it’s almost next to New York City while Trenton is almost halfway between Philadelphia and New York City.
Plus the PATH and NJT connect Newark and Manhattan
They should add it, then run some trains express that only stop at dc Baltimore Philly nyc Boston
Newark is important as the fastest way to downtown Manhattan from the east is to transfer to the PATH at Newark instead of staying on the train to Midtown and taking the A, 2, or 3.
I believe the route mapping I saw for this took it into NJ south of Trenton and would use row of the NJ turnpike east of Trenton Maybe extend PATH to EWR and NJT or the river line or even the Princeton NJT dinky to a station for the Maglev just east of Plainsboro and could also be another MAGLEV station. Alternatively maybe a station on 95 by in DE. Lastly the MAGLEV should also hit BWI and the rebuilt KEY bridge could facilitate a crossing and a new station with a Baltimore light rail to it to avoid most of Baltimore row issues
Too bad we have always had, without exception, weak and ineffective Transportation Secretaries.
Probably because strong publicly funded transportation is good for average people but bad for oil CEOs.
It’s corruption in the federal government and lobbyists
I subscribe to a lot of TH-cam channels because I am interested in a lot of topics. Sometimes so many come in on the same day that I have to choose. Sometimes by topic and sometimes by the length of a video. This was a very interesting video, and I appreciate the length of it. 👍🏼
The Northeast also works well for rail compared to elsewhere because owning a car is not necessary in several of the cities. Elsewhere they're a lot of six hour drives where people are yarning for HSR until they realize they would need to rent a car
It goes both ways. People currently justify owning a car to being able to travel to nearby places/cities too. If there are good rail connections, there is less of that argument, and more people will go car free. Then the destination city will also need to provide better public transit facilities since they do get tourists without vehicles. So it's a chicken and egg, and whichever comes first will help boost the other, which will then boost the first again.
Hopefully more money gets sent Amtraks way to upgrade the corridor. They would like to upgrade an additional 100 miles of the NEC to High Speed Standards over the next 10 years. It's easy to install new catenary when you're building a new line. It's much harder when, you have hundreds of trains using it already.
It will be quite interesting to see the development of passenger rail in the upcoming decade.
Hm, I thought Amtrak is a private company? Why are you calling for taxpayer money, when "the market" supposedly regulates everything so beautifully? (Asking for a friend.)
@@hape3862 public infrastructure in the form of roads and airports have been almost entirely publicly funded. Why should rail - which is both more effective in dense urban environments and more environmentally friendly than either alternative - be exempt from public funding?
@@JordanPeace You missed my sarcasm.
@@JordanPeace he was trying to say that capitalism bad but fails to realize socialism is worse.
Thoughts on the MagIev route and responding to why Trenton’s left out.
I believe the route mapping I saw for this took it into NJ south of Trenton and would use row of the NJ turnpike east of Trenton Maybe extend PATH to EWR and NJT or the river line or even the Princeton NJT dinky to a station for the Maglev just east of Plainsboro and could also be another MAGLEV station. Alternatively maybe a station on 95 by in DE. Lastly the MAGLEV should also hit BWI and the rebuilt KEY bridge could facilitate a crossing and a new station with a Baltimore light rail to it to avoid most of Baltimore row issues
Umm why not have the maglev serve different communities like the Lehigh Valley area en route to NYC and Philly? Let Acela stop at a new island platform station near Princeton jct and skip Trenton altogether simplify service run Acela at higher frequencies and only stop at select stations and boost the frequency of NJT/SEPTA Trains and MARC for the extra stops
I think it would have been rather beneficial or interesting to mention the Chuo Shinkansen in Japan in this video.
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@@weenisw that is not chuo maglev, japan is currently build a maglev line
I agree.
Because, the Northeast maglev project is basically importing the Japan's proven maglev technology into the US. Back in the Obama period, the politicians who have been promoting the NECHSR(such as Raymond LaHood, Anthony Foxx, Larry Hogan) had visited the test track of Chuo Shinkansen in Yamanashi and been convinced of the feasibility of maglev, then they approved the budget for the project.
To alleviate airport congestion and pollution, the govt should invest heavily in hi speed rail connecting every major and second tier city in the usa (with agreements with Ottawa to have hi speed spurs connecting nyc and montreal and montreal Toronto and so on) . Trains are more efficient at moving people short and medium distances than planes, as well . Then airlines can concentrate on improving their long haul flights, eliminating most short hops.
No. High speed rail does not work between all big and medium cities. The advantage of flying is that all the airlines can adapt and optimize routes based on what the customer wants or needs. For decades it's been shown the federal government does not know what the customer needs, yet tries to demand the needs of each. The Northeast corridor cannot be assumed on any other part of the country.
@@derbagger22 having lived in numerous places both in the usa and in other nations ( where large and médium cities are connected by rail)i disagree. It does work if it is designed properly....and we can do as france recently did and eliminate most small intercity flights in favour of hi speed rail).
@@derbagger22 The dozens of other countries that use HSR would disagree.
@@LucidFL obviously you have never seen the US. Or been anywhere outside of your little nook.
@@derbagger22In the US, thieves are stealing packages from freight cars, who knows what they’ll steal from a high speed rail? Those cables and sensors on slab tracks are surely conspicuous
I love your video but you got something wrong. No Freight Railroad owns any parts of the NEC. New York/Connecticut state own the slowest portion of the NEC between New Rochelle and New Haven. Everything is owned by Amtrak.
Richmond Virginia is not a big city but it does have roughly 1.5 million people in its metro area. More importantly it has a Federal Reserve and needs to be included in the high speed rail service in the northeast corridor.
At 7:55 (and earlier), you seem to show a simulation of Hyperloop, not maglev.
The jump from "let's make incremental improvements to Acela" to "Let's build a MAGLEV between DC and Boston", while breathtaking, kind of reminds me of the Monorail episode of The Simpsons.
Sounds like the decision of a committee of people who know absolutely nothing about transportation.
That would be great but even better yet would be, the United States Atlantic bullet line. A highspeed bullet train set line from Boston Massachusetts to Miami Florida, stopping in one or two cities in each state it travels through. Traveling at speeds of up to 240 to 250 mph this line would move people up and down the entire United States Eastern seaboard with great comfort. Trust me if the United States of America can put a man on the moon to jump around and pick up rocks at a cost of billions of dollars, they can do a mega project like this and improve infrastructure by 60 percent at the least. When it comes to the travel seasons especially around holidays, this would be a better alternative to being stranded at airports due to cancellations and delays. Of course traveling by car would take 23 to 26 hours from New York city to Miami Florida. So forget the stress inducing ordeal of boarding a flight and park the car and save the fuel and take the train. You can get a nice meal, have a beverage, kick back and relax. Enjoy the view racing by you, watch a movie or simply take a nap. The United States Atlantic bullet line.
@@carlsmith5545 The problems with all this is cost and infrastructure. Neither sadly that will be addressed in the foreseeable future. First is the infrastructure, in a word it's a mess. Too much of even the NEC needs major straightening to make any of this possible. Then there's the fact that after the NEC much of what is rail is owned still by the freight lines. The Government when it bailed out the rail lines in the 70's creating Amtrak. Didn't require them to give up control of the rails themselves. One of the reasons Airports work is all the companies fly in and out pay for the airport up keep. Now if they'd done that with the freight lines we'd probably have had a much better system than we do now.
Then you have the inevitable costs, just to fix all the rail itself will cost billions no one wants to spend. Especially the freight lines since they won't see the benefit. so really if we're going to do anything a fresh system like maglev might be more cost effective. This would be a showcase that not only does this work but can be viable for other places around the world. Sadly I like we'll be six feet under before any of this comes about.
@@RobertWilke Cost? Really? The United States of America is supposed to be mighty! Hell they put a man on the moon to jump around and pick up rocks at a cost of billions! They want to put some fool on mars and at a cost of 500 billion dollars pluss. Now explain to me besides the fool, who will benefit from this? Costs? Remember the money the United States of America gave, (GAVE) away in stimulus packages during the pandemic? That cost the United States government over 7 trillion dollars. 800 billion dollars went to the military this year from the spending budget. Cars are becoming more and more complext and expensive especially when it comes to the all new, all electric vehicles. Electric? Umm bullet trains are also electric. I'm sorry but i refuse to believe that the (mighty), United States of America can put a man on the moon benefiting absolutely no one except for a small few from the science community but yet cant build highspeed bullet trains benefiting millions. That doesn't even sound like America. We can accomplish anything just like the far more advanced countries of the far east. The older american generations rolled up their sleeves and did it. Today's american generations do nothing but sit around and come up with every excuse not to do something, criticize and proudly displayed negative reasonings thus the reason why we can't advance. Always remember what Malcolm said in Jurassic park, "Life finds away." Highspeed bullet trains and maglev super train technology, the new american dream......
@@carlsmith5545I don't know if going all the way down to Miami makes the most sense, Florida's population centers are very separated from the one north of it. The best option might be hsr in Florida and a separate network that goes from Atlanta to Boston.
Whenever I get impatient with the pace of our German infrastructure projects, I watch a video about the HSR dreams of the US. That immediately comforts me.
People would come from around the world just to ride a mag-lev from NY to DC.
Oh really? Why, pray tell? How safe are those cities? Just get Acela to actually average more than 80 mph.
@@davidjackson7281pretty safe in most of the tourist areas.
We are ages behind the rest of the world when it comes to rail travel.
Amtrak and VIA Rail in Canada are pretty pathetic in spite of their efforts.
Very large countries have always tended toward air travel and personal vehicles hampering the growth of more sensible rail which is a real shame.
3:47 high-speed maglev efforts started in 2003 FRA, Maryland DOT
I still don't see the benefit of building Maglev over traditional (modern) high speed rail if you're going to build up an entire new main line. Maglev technology is still way under-developed for the US, a country that's still relearning how to jog in the world of high speed train transit and is only slowly yearning to take on the risks of major new rail construction.
If given proper priority and infrastructure, traditional highspeed rail will do an amazing job over the NEC. Stick with something that is already known to work really well, do it right (don't half-ass it) and minimize the worst case scenario .
It should be noted that the Maryland Maglev proposal makes limited used of any existing transportation easements between Washington and Baltimore The station in Baltimore would be in the Westport area of Baltimore city south of the Urban core. The station in Washington DC would be at Mount Vernon Square no where near Union Station.
MagLev is still prohibitively expensive, but there are cost reduction that might take place in the future. A major aspect would be to break with the current train loading gauge and go much wider with double the width (≈24-foot) likely round up to 8 meters along with double decker layouts. An 8 meter wide loading gauge would offer stability for three levels likely with the first level being used for cargo with perpendicular simulations drive-on- drive-off automobiles and cargo containers in the period of a one minute stop.
Axle loads are no longer a limiting factor with maglev such as with current rail. The much greater width is an attribute desired in passenger cars from the beginning of the railroad age that for awhile existed with 7-foot wide Brunel gauge in Britain. Having higher passenger density with double width and double decker maglev cars will keep popular maglev passenger trains from getting excessively long. Amtrak's popular long distance trains such as now discontinued Broadway Limited with both section combined in Harrisburg PA could easily stretch over 18 cars long.
In the USA it maybe the high speed passenger train that eventually makes sense won't be in most peoples lifetimes as of now, but later with a much of it in deep tunneled alignments with double wide (24-feet) double decker maglev passenger trains running at over 600 kph. Sometime in the future large bore tunneling will be made much faster and cheaper than today.
Added later 2024: China's CR600 about 4 meter wide Maglev initial train sets are being tested with future running speeds of 800 kph being a goal. China is planning 4,000 km of maglev lines.
Huh I hope you're right about huge boring being cheaper but holy hell, double decker makes more sense above ground!
1. To say that Amtrak's NEC is profitable is only true if you accept their non-GAAP complaint accounting. Maybe above the rail. Maintaining the NEC was a contributing factor to why its private predecessors The PennCentral and the New went bankrupt, and later during the bankruptcy proceedings the judge gave the NEC to Amtrak (as Conrail would not be profitable with it).
2. The stretches of track that you indicated were privately owned is not true. While they are not owned by Amtrak, they are owned by other government agencies, e.g. the CT DOT and NJ Transit.
4. The NEC's infrastructure is old. Amtrak estimates about $50 billion of improvements are needed. The most critical is probably doubling, and then upgrading the existing 100 yr old Hudson Tunnel. The existing tunnel were heavily damaged by super storm Sandy in 2012. Various viaducts operate under speed restrictions. A replacement tunnel under Baltimore is also close to getting construction funding. Incremental upgrade to the existing NEC will be - by far - a more efficient use of money than starting from scratch with Mag-Lev.
Sorry, but even considering building a Maglev shows how uncommitted the government is to the idea of passenger rail.
I know you are a railway enthusiast, but top speed is not that important. What matters is the easiness of the overall journey. When the railways were built, the business customers worked in town and travelled to work by train. Today most business customers live in the suburbs or beyond and few work in the urban centre. They also travel by car.
Cities need to be developed with transit in mind, transit oriented development. If your suburb was clustered around a train station and people lived a little closer to each other, no cars needed.
Even without maglev speed, high speed trains with top speeds of 300 kph(186 mph) are replacing short distance air travel of less than 1,000 km (620 mls) in many places around the world. It is a much better travel experience, has more usable time for business travelers, and times are comparable to air travel. Security and boarding takes much less time on trains than on planes.
Don't worry this High speed rail between Boston to Orlando will be built in the year of our lord 4323... when Man has already colonized Europa, one of the moons of Saturn
This is a bizarre comment on a few humorous levels. Never does the speaker mention Orlando in this video's discussion.
Europa is a moon of Jupiter not Saturn
Good luck getting a Maglev right of way. Just as CAHSR. The Brightline train is a very good system. A cost effective five hour trip would be an achievement.
I can't wait to do an episode on Brightline!
@@GeographyByGeoff I enjoy your videos. I will be looking forward to a Brightline episode. Thanks for putting your expertise to good use.
Interstate medians. Elevate the entire length, no ground contact allowed. Avoid stops at small towns like Trenton and Wilmington; they are already connected by commuter rail and don’t need any more service. With the exception of New York, avoid city centers and build the stations on the urban periphery to capture urban and suburban traffic.
@@starventure one of the benefits of rail is direct downtown service. It would be pointless to run an inter city train that doesn’t stop in the city.
@@metro-sn if you look at high speed rail in China (the country that has built more of it than any other country in the world) their high speed rail stations are almost always well outside of the city center with connections via subways to the parts of the city people need to get to. The reality is that no part of any city could feasibly be dense enough to support the potential capacity and throughput of high speed rail, so instead just connecting it seamlessly with the rest of the city’s metro infrastructure so that anyone anywhere in the city can reach it is more important than getting it as close as possible to the “center” or densest point of development
I'm a resident of MD specifically the county that it would cut through to get from DC to NYC. Alot of ppl in the county don't want to allow our county to be used unless we get a stop. We are the side of the city that is always overlooked.
Not everybody can get a stop🤷🏻
Maglev stops are in major cities only to cut down on stops so time to each city increases.
The plan is to upgrade the NEC as much as possible, to 160 mph, and maybe more if it allows, but people would still trash the US for not having "True" high speed rail, even though we don't need just HSR, we need what HSR DOES, which we can get fine with the current plan. Sadly, as great as a flashy new line would be, it would be too expensive and no real way to build it easily. All it would really have is some government dollars and a TON of support, but not everything a high speed rail needs to work. Also, having just found out about the maglev plan, there might be a real plan, but it's not all over the news which is either a really good thing because people aren't there to critisize the project, or bad because the plan isn't developed yet.
I couldn't care less what people outside the US says. I can fly from any of about 6 airports within 90 minutes of where I live to maybe a few hundred different airports around the country and complete the trip in a few hours.
@@derbagger22 Do you take trains in the Northeast?
@@transitcaptain i have. And I do like the Acela. It serves a good purpose.
Lots of countries have planes dude. Not the topic of discussion
As much as I would like to have a maglev high speed train I doubt that such a maglev train will ever be built. The investment in maglev high speed trains would require a dedicated line very expensive to build in a corridor with property that would be expensive to acquire and will meet resistance from residents having a maglev line near them.
In all fairness to the Acela, it's working with a rail alignment that's the better part of two centuries old. IMO, while Maglev may be technically feasible, it is not practically reasonable. That Shanghai Maglev cost USD $1.33B for a glorified Air Rail Link. The billions that a WAS-BAL Maglev would require could be better invested on Amtrak's convention services
While ambitious, I think the correct play here would be to just make conventional high speed rail. The government and states already iffy about that, so I doubt they take this even more expensive gamble
We need to connect every major city in the United States and Canada with maglev trains that can reach 400 mph.
Conservatives will never let it happen.
Conservatives hate this country
So, I would love to see high speed land transport. But if this will be long term it needs to be expandable and not just in length (adding cities) but also in frequency (multiple trains operating) this would require multiple tracks.
One train arriving every two hours carrying 2000 passengers is not convenient for riders. A train arriving every 15 minutes carrying 200-300 passengers each time may seem less efficient but is also less appealing. In order to accommodate multiple trains several tracks in each direction will cost more but I think would be much more efficient and at the very least would break even on cost.
high speed rail and its not even a question
What ever the cost, it is worth it. Trains are superior in that they can be boarded and disembarked from the center of a city. They use less energy to move the same number of people as planes and for trips around five hours they can be faster than airport excursions. Acela...is embarrassment after traveling on the high speed trains in Europe. We can do better. INSIDE information: Between Boston & NYC, Amtrak and the mag-lev planning has debated bypassing certain parts of CT to tunnel under the LI sound and enter NYC from LI. It's in the planning stages and tunnels are not as easy as surface construction, but this forward looking planing makes a lot of sense.
The Acela trains are fine, the track is the issue. Needs less tight curves
Correction at 5:01 Shinkansen trains only reached 270 MPH on a test track, in service it does 225 MPH
Think about all the jobs this would make
I don’t think any sections of the nec are owned by freight
It's embarassing as an American how far behind we are with high speed rail.
But we are far ahead of all other nations in highway and airlines.
Correction: your figure for Japan’s shinkansen top speed are incorrect. 200-300km/h is more accurate. I dont think any Japanese trains in use go over 200mph and none are maglev, though some are planned. Honestly, China is probably a better place to look for rail innovations and speeds, with the Beijing-Shanghai railway including some services that AVERAGE up to 180mph.
"This is a bad idea." - The Auto Industry
I think maglevs have their purpose but are currently too expensive and novel to be practical compared to conventional high speed rail I trust that Japan and China can do it but for a nation that can't even get conventional rail I think a maglev is unnecessary. Conventional high-speed rail can be just as effective and would be much easier to implement.
They need to push for private seating, so it will be enticing for some people to use over cars, or else it’s not much different than planes.
Acela is extremely popular even when it’s more expensive than flying. There wouldn’t need to be more enticing people will take it to avoid traffic and parking
Trains have more space, less security hassle, smoother ride, no takeoff and landing, and usually better food. Private rooms are expensive
Learn to share some space with other people, I promise it's gonna be ok. You can always bring earplugs and headphones in case someone has a baby
I personally believe maglev is a good technology but we should stick to high speed rail, it’s cheeper and easier to construct and probably the only way to convince politicians
But we need the best
@@simonjaz1279 the best is cool, but we need incremental change, a maglev isn’t a terrible project but we NEED high speed rail or atleast A useable/reasonable rail system then we can worry about upgrading to maglev
@@simonjaz1279 we should be doing what JR is doing in japan, if we can make people actually want to take trains and have them become financially stable, then we can build a maglev, just like they are doing!
@@JKanimations7718 mag lev I think would be the push we need to seriously invest in it.
@@simonjaz1279 hmmmm maybe, but who would even operate or fund it, cus maglevs are expensive to make and VERY expensive to operate
Maglev? Are you kidding me? All we need is to straighten those tight curves
Shinkansen only operate from 70mph-200mph...
Top most profitable magaregions
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a maglev is such a bad idea
Bro you know Amtrak is not the only Corridor that its "ONLY Profitable its just that its the most money maker 0:00 , and also other lines like Keystone corridor, Empire Corridoe, Pacific Surfliners, Springfield Corridor, Lincoln service, etc. and majoriry state supported route DO make a profit, NOT JUST Northeast, Like Come ON🙄
The Mag-lev proposal is a waste of time imo. It taking money away from upgrading the Amtrack NEC to be able to let the TGV derived Alcea trains their max speed like they can do in France. The line also needs some corners realigning to allow the tilting trains to be able to pass each other as several turns simply lack the needs clearances. If the Feds want Amtrack to succeed they could give it the cash to start ASAP and electrify part either side of the corridor to extend the HRS corridors benefit and revenue. Unfortunately this is an Anglosphere nation so we can't have nice train.
Mag lev does it better
It's "Amtrak".
If California’s major rail disappointment is any example I’m not hopeful about this
get Japan to do it maybe?
Keep in mind the the politically influence airline companies oppose high speed rail.
Only profitable? No only line with usable service
A maglev is a bad idea, just build true, modern standard HSR
It should have a branch to go from NY to Buffalo, Rochester and onto Canada
First part 2
Love how left China's HSR efforts.....superb!!!
I spoke a bit about the Shanghai maglev. I'm not sure why China should be mentioned any more than that? Shinkansen was brought up because it directly tied to into the Metroliner. I'll do a video on China's high speed rail some day and Hunter and I speak about it quite a bit on our upcoming podcast on High Speed Rail.
So what? He did not mention the kung flu either, now did he. Another immaterial comment on your part. Thanks for the nonsensicle perspective.
@@davidjackson7281 This person is just promoting Chinese rail. It's kinda random, but I don't see why you're getting so defensive about it. The truth of the matter is, we lack the political will for the government to do anything, and it's true that we're not building much public infrastructure here or abroad, even with the new funding last year. For example, the whole process of wasting time and money on studies and reports about Maglev, which would not be interoperable with any existing network and even more expensive than just fixing the NEC, shows that we aren't serious about transit. Moreover, this idea that a private firm can swoop in like Brightline, when they're planning to make most of their profit from land schemes, doesn't seem feasible, especially for the NE corridor. Therefore, Amtrak just has to upgrade their lines, which they are doing gradually, and forget about this maglev waste of time. So in the end, trying to compete with world class systems might be worse than just going for a decent level of intercity service, which is what I think you meant with regard to Brightline, and so I don't even see where you disagree.
@@jeois411 Yes, I think we both see the benefits of Brightline and the detriments of Maglev. Historically railroads profit from real estate development. That's a good thing. Seems to be working in Florida. I doubt that would be possible in the NEC like you said. The Brightline train sets seem quite efficient and speedy enough to average 80 mph. Acela averages 70 mph over the entire length. That has to do with track infrastructure. I appreciate your comments. Not so much because we agree but because it shows brilliant minds think alike. LOL. I just didn't see where China remarks, promoting or from a criticing perspective was appropriate for this video. Yes, I could have ignor it.
@@davidjackson7281 China, France, and Japan are relevant to the political will question and many aspects of this discussion like funding and expertise. I understand the comparison, and I don't agree that it's entirely irrelevant. Of course, the practical details are important, but I really think the fundamental issue is lack of political will. Unfortunately, I don't have much hope for private firms or partnerships. We've had a company trying to build a high-speed line between Dallas and Houston, and they've been in and out court for a whole decade and nowhere even started. Obviously, I'd still be satisfied with a non-electrified, faster-speed service like Brightline, but it's not easy running private passenger rail in the US, let alone a high-speed line, which is why it never happens. Public or private, they're going to run into similar issues where political efforts will be required, so we might as well make it public and a higher standard like roads and airports since it's going to be subsidized directly or indirectly anyway.
Geoff I love your videos but your statement that “the environmental impact statement is basically the last step before construction begins” is completely inaccurate. The environmental studies is one of the pieces to understand IF the project might be feasible. And even if it is feasible, several other steps still must be taken to understand if a project might actually happen someday.
After this was posted, The Amtrak Office of the Inspector General announced that the Acela 2 program had collapsed, and the already built and delivered trains sets were rejected.
Copy China and force people to live in 20 storey apartments without parking, and rail could be viable again.
"force"? More like the Chinese is truly living the 21st century lifestyle with choices of frequent public transports, taxi and car hailing options, free delivery services for everything including grocery
Who in the third world still have to drive everywhere themselves, to shovel snow and mow the lawn themselves? Oh yea, and BBQ and grill is just a quick lazy way for those who don't know how to actually cook
@@champan250 Please move to China for a year so you can bring back personal experience of the benefits of Chinese urban living. I can assure you that poor elevator maintenance will quickly undermine any enthusiasm to live on the 17th floor level.
Easy solution: better elevator maintenance? Second elevator for redundancy?
Many people already live in apartment buildings in America. Lots of people who live in big cities don't have drivers licences, they don't need to
lol meanwhile China completed high speed rail system for Laos....yes the same country that Merica was clusterbomb carpeting in the late 1960s..
You sound like you are having a bad day. Laos has a very nice new "fast speed" railroad with up to now four trips each way. Two go the 250 mile distance and two go half way. It's top speed is 100 mph. Freight shipments will greatly benefit. That is quite a bit less than the generally accept international standard of 155 mph. It is a system that Laos should be very proud. There were less than five miles of passenger rail before. You may wish to take the time to acquaint yourself with facts before making exaggerated statements.
If the northeast states could fund it themselves, they would. Reality is, the rest of the Country generally hates the northeast states so trying to get federal funding for all the work, just won't happen.
Funny how a lot of the states involved in this always get screwed every year by federal taxes and lose more than they put in.
They hate us bc they aint us. Lol the original states of our great country. Original 13
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Podcast for the non hearing....lol
When will podcast come in Brielle?....lol
" Braille".
Brielle, is a town, down the Jersey shore