brb writing down all of these sections so I can make the most incomprehensibly structured song and throwing as much of these in a single track as possible
As a DJ, I’ve learned over the years to never mess with a coda. Try fading out the end of ‘Hey Jude’ or ‘Don’t Stop Me Now’ and the floor will want to hang you 😂 Similarly with some intro, Gloria Gaynor’s ‘I Will Survive’ for example. The intro and coda are often integral to the energy of the entire song, even though they lack a dance beat.
Alright you've convinced me.. I'll no longer be referring to the end of my songs as the outro.. from now on I will be calling them by their proper name, the "Outroduction"!!! Lmfao 🤣😆🤣😆🤣
hehe yeah. I run a lot of Opeth and Steven Wilson songs into my DAW and mark out distinct sections off to try and find a structure to the songs, and I often risk running out of alphabet!
Haha yeah I'm a progmetal composer and primarily go episodic with our 10 minute songs because they're telling "chapters" (thematic plot points) of the backing adventure fantasy story. but a couple are 4 or 5 minutes long and actually have a couple repeating sections! one is even "normal" with Intro, V, C, V, C, Bridge, Chorus Outro.
thank you for always adding so many examples in your videos!! it really helps me to understand, especially because i dont know a whole lot of technical information about music!
Thanks for this video. I’m a lyricist who sometimes works with a composer partner. I knew many of these terms, but some were new to me. I have sometimes heard a pre-chorus referred to as a “slide.” One thing I’ll say about the bridge, from a lyricist’s point of view, is that it gives the writer the opportunity to offer a side comment on the song’s narrative. It’s an interesting way to bring in a new perspective that you might not be able to express in the verse or chorus.
A few song structures that appear a lot in modern worship music (and maybe also in other genres): tag, interlude, vamp, refrain, turnaround, breakdown. There are also modifiers that often get pre-pended to choruses such as: down, up, instrumental, a cappella, etc.
@@itnefer4787 I do listen to and have written in lots of genres of music. My comment did mention that perhaps other genres use some of those structures too. It’s just that my first interaction with a lot of those structures happened to occur while working on worship music. By worship, I’m referring mostly to Christian music from roughly the 1990s up to today. My experience with Jewish worship music and other types of worship music has shown me that often the entire framework and mindset can be very different from a musical perspective.
Could you explain the terms you mention or give some examples of songs that make use of them? I haven't heard of some of them before and I'd love to know more.
DBP videos are wildly informative and very accessible, but the real reason I watch these videos is for David's pleasing British accent. Keep up the great work!
Hey! It's interesting because in French we only have the word Refrain, and not Chorus! It's really shows how language also shapes the way we analyse, differentiate, and identify different components of a song.
@@Lorenzo_der_RitterIn my Band it’s all messed up: Sometimes it’s Chorus, sometimes it’s Refrain, sometimes Strophe and Chorus are on the same sheet of paper.
And in russian there's "рефрен" (refrɛn) and "припев" (pripev) which mean the same thing (at least according to Wiktionary. my personal use of them is kinda "refrain" and "chorus" respectively)
In Bohemian Rhapsody I always considered "Mama, just killed a man..." and "Too late, my time has come..." as two verses, which themselves have an AB structure each. That's because save for their respective endings (the 2nd verse's B cut short by 2 bars going intp the guitar solo which again is on that B's chord progression before it modulates for another 2 bar different ending)
This is one of the topics I struggle the most when composing, as I was not trained in music, just took some guitar classes. My TH-cam algorithm is flooded with production tips and tricks, but this... This is gold value for me. Thank you.
Yes. When just picking and choosing some parts of music to learn, you miss out on seemingly simple things that can actually really help with songwriting, like key changes.
I studied in a musical theatre conservatory and we spent a lot of time working with "Golden Age" tunes that used the AABA structure. He used a specific word--the "vest" to describe the verse before the beginning of the AABA section. Great example is the "But do you recall...the most famous reindeer of all?" portion of "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer."
A notable song structure is the one of Lynyrd Skynyrd's Free Bird: two sections, one is a Coda and before the coda there's a section called "something you'd pretend doesn't even exist but you must listen just to get to the Coda"
I think y'all are nuts! (Not southern, just acting.) Of course we all love that amazing energy and the guitar work at the end, but it's a very emotional and melancholy song before it gets to that. It's also common in southern rock, like Fall of the Peacemakers, Ramblin' Man, and Green Grass and High Tides - the big southern rock anthems. It's a full song followed by a guitar break that's just as long. (I have difficulty calling it a coda. It seems way more than that.) I know, there is no argument for my taste being more meaningful than yours, but it seems a shame to sell the song short before the guitar leads. Since I was a little boy that slide guitar in Free Bird made me want to cry, and I never knew why.
One of my favorite "episodic" songs is Thunder Road by Bruce Springsteen. It has the same tempo and time signature throughout, but the melody changes slightly in each section and doesn't repeat. That's why it still feels fresh every time I hear it.
great overview. for those that are new to music this break down will help to establish some structure in their thinking, and give them some vocabulary for interacting with other musicians in band situations. nicely done.
I have heard ”Refrain” word to be used for the same last word or sentence repeated in every section. ”Can’t help falling in love with you” or ”My way” Are examples.
I've heard that as well and you provide great examples. I think these should be better described as _"refrain lines"_ if only to differentiate them further from choruses.
Yep, ”refrain line” makes sense at the moment. I’m not native english speaker, but as far as I understand ”refrain” means when you keep yourself from doing something. I am forexample this week refraining from coffee to let my body get it’s adenosine levels to natural levels. So in that in mind, refrain would mean, prolonged note before resolution and the repeating line in the end of every song section would be ”resolution line”.
@@GingerWaters That's a very nice way of looking at it. As far as I know, this word comes from Old French refraindre, meaning 'break', as the repeated refrain breaks up the sequence of the song/poem. It may go even further back and mean something slightly different in Latin.
Speaking of AᗺBA, the song Dancing Queen has an unusual structure when after the intro its jumps right into the second half of the chorus (or maybe you could call it a post-chorus). The reason for this, Björn Ulvaeus said when interviewed by Rick Beato, was because otherwise the song would've been too long. It's like: Intro-C2-A1-A2-B-C1-C2-A1-B-C1-C2-Outro
I finally understand a bit that George Burns (guess hold old I am) used to do all the time -- singing forgotten verses to songs where the practice over time had become to jump right into the chorus. Thanks.
I remember John Bubbles on Tonight singing some of these and wrapping up with what he called the perfect universal first verse. He sang it and segued into the Star Spangled Banner
'Take me out' By Franz Ferdinand has an interesting structure - almost a contemporary example of the show tune structure, with an initial "verse" section in a different tempo to the rest of the song, that never gets repeated. 🤔
I think they said they liked the verse faster and the chorus slower so they just moved both verses to the beginning and left all the chorus’s at the end
This was extra good! Favourite video of yours. On favourite examples, Stockton Gala Days by 10,000 Maniacs has a clever structure, with bits chopped up and missed out, lots of pre and post choruses and bridges which help to deliver drive and release... Natalie Merchant often does interesting things with structure, and is well worth looking at in that light.
Visually highlighting the different sections of different songs definitely made this the most helpful of several videos I watchd on the subject. Apprecated.
What i've learned over the years is that as a composer you can't generally force a strong structure. The best structure given a couple sections that you are trying to get working together,largely depends on how to best present those sections and nothing else. The structures we see in songs are 'found' by trying everything possible and keeping the best arrangement. So when you hear many popular songs with very different structure: it means each is well done becasue it was true to it's elements and presented them effectively in the structure that created the most appropriate impact for the style and general presentation.
You are genuinely such a bright spot in the desolate wasteland that is the internet. I just finished writing my first EP and learned so much in the process. This video makes me want to go back and examine the structure of my songs and see if I can fine tune them using some of the things you mention here.
David, another great video. Thanks so much! You describe “Wake me up when September ends” as AABA. To me the repeating sentence “wake me up when September ends” ticks all the boxes to be considered a chorus, albeit a short one. That would make the song structure verse-chorus-verse-chorus with your B section as bridge (or middle 8).
Hi there. I politely disagree (with the intent of having a healthy debate, not judging or trolling). One thing David didn't mention about Strophic Form (AAA) in this video but has mentioned in a different video, is that Stophic Form often has a repeating line, usually the last line of the verse. This provides some of the function of a chorus in that it provides a particular repeating, melodic, catchy, line and has a lyric that provides a summary of the meaning of the song. However, it doesn't fully qualify as a Chorus because it is shorter and usually hasn't provided a shift in tonality or dynamic that is expected of a chorus. The term "refrain" could be used here if you wish. I know that this song is not Strophic as it is Binary, but you can still use this repeating last line of a verse in Binary or any other form. When describing or scoring music, there often can be multiple ways of doing it. However, often simplest is key because you are trying to explain an idea to someone else. Therefore, explaining "Wake me up when September Ends" as "ABABA Coda" is easier than saying "ABABCABABABCABABBB"
The ABACA or ABACABA form is very common in Rondos, which originated in the Baroque era and continued into the Classical period. A great example is Beethoven's "Fur Elise".
Question: Songs like "With or Without You", "Careless Whisper" & "Last Christmas" use the same chord progression throughout but have distinct melodies for Verse & Chorus. Do these count as Strophic? Is it the chord progression or the melody which make it strophic?
man... this goes way back. First came the Menuet, which is AABA except B is called the trio. And then there's the Rondo, which is ABACA. and then comes Sonata form which really confuses things but I think it goes back further than that but I think all music will always revert back to these first structures because it feels right.
What a fun video, thank you! I think it's interesting how we start applying structure and "rules" to music based on music that already exists. It's very similar to language, where some kind of consensus has been found out of what is or has been most popular. Still, I'm always interested in experimenting and trying out new stuff. Well, new as in, not neccessarily popular. Of course an unfathomable amount of things has been tried out before.
I never take any music class ever so I know nothing about this. I listen to a bunch of songs without really paying attention but I know for sure it usually have verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge and sometimes intro and outro until recently I listen to a bunch of kpop songs. Songs from SM like Super Junior 'Sexy, Free and Single' 'Mamacita', Exo 'Call Me Baby", Aespa "Next Level" really made my brain go, "wait, what's this I'm hearing?". It's not the usual song structure I've heard then I checked out genius lyrics and found things like Breakdown, Interlude, Refrain, etc. I watch this vid to know more about song structure as I'm interested and thank you for the explanation. I wish you could explain interlude and breakdown.
Very glad you made this video, I’ve been trying to analyze song structure to try and help improve the flow for a lot of the songs I make. I have a habit of structuring my songs as "building A-section, Bridge, A section again with more elements to make it spicier". It works like once or twice since my songs are instrumental since I don't have confidence as a lyricist, but it feels like a crutch. It feels like a structure I've picked up from listening to (mostly) instrumental electronica like Fatboy Slim and The Chemical Brothers. Also, I remember when Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid M.A.A.D. City dropped, my one friend who is a rapper was really excited about Money Trees and the structure of that song. He described it to me as, as best as I can remember, “7 different hooks just circling around each other” or something to that effect. I'll have to listen to the song again to see if I can identify the structure it has.
In French, my native language, refrain is still the word we use for chorus. Also, one of my favorite bands that used to pretty much only write through-composed songs is actually the metalcore band Woe, Is Me. Although they now have choruses, their first two albums are quite striking to me as there is almost no recurring part in any of the songs. Quite a big particularity for the genre that I don't see many fans talking about.
During Jimmy Buffets first appearance on the Tonight Show, after Margaritaville he sang an old standard (forget which one) and made it a point to include the forgotten verse. Johnny was so impressed that he made it a point to thank Jimmy since it was so common to skip over it
My favorite examples of songs that are Strophic(aside from their brief intros and outros) but not supposed to be simple chants or rhymes are the video game tracks "Scarlet Phoneme" from _Touhou 4: Lotus Land Story_ and "Built to Scale" from _Rhythm Heaven Fever._ They both have one melody that repeats, but they change the key of the melody and have different beats to go alongside it as it progresses. The latter one also changes the BPM at which the melody plays as well, but that's ultimately just another simple setting change. It works so well because the one melody each of them use are independent and dynamic, to the point at which they can flawlessly lead up to themselves from themselves. A musical ouroboros, if you will.
One of my favourite codas is the one from Saviour by Prince. It's a complete tonal shift and could have been left out but it all works so well and is by far my favourite part of the song.
Variations is a form that has been used in classical music for centuries but a contemporary version would be building up a song through layering loops, and is popular in dance music and with some street performers (who use loops recorded and played back live, in layers, as an accompaniment).
12:15 Even in Classical Music Pieces, for example in Mendelssohn's Rondo Capriciosso, the first Section Andante can be considered as a verse, and the second Presto Section is the Chorus.
@@DavidBennettPianoI think I agree that it is a chord progression and the song form is then Strophic as you repeat the 12 bars over and over I.e, it is AAAAAAA (ad infinitum, depending on how many people walk into the room and want to do their own guitar solo 😂).
It's in music books too. It's not us being slackers. Pete Townshend played with that concept (kinda) in the rock opera Tommy, which had an overture and an underture. Now he was out on his own with that one. Outros are well established.
Wow, I was just wondering about this! I was trying to study some songs I liked to try and recreate them but I didn't know how to name parts of the structures for my notes.
Another mighty useful video. I knew about the 'missing verse' in (classic) 32-bar form.. but even though I knew a lot of the tunes were from shows, I never saw the movies/shows so didn't properly understand the usage of the verse. Chorus forms were also useful. and the explanation of how the 'Refrain' is often a 'mini-chorus'. Like the 'chord notation' and 'music iceberg' videos, these 'theory history' videos are often the most useful (to me, anyway). Fanx! a heap for posting them. 😀
And then you have trad music, which is just ABABABABABA on infinite loop until your group gets bored, the dance ends, everyone had a solo, or you get too fast to keep going. Love that.
In Progressive rock you hear a lot about "Themes". (please excuse my lack of technical song knowledge) but it seems like the song can either go anywhere and not repeat anything except for this "theme" or it can have repeating sections (verse, chorus and so on) and still revisit the "theme" occasionally. (sometimes it seems randomly) It usually shows up in longer pieces that have movements such as Yes' Close to the Edge or Genesis' Supper's Ready or Pink Floyd's Dogs. If you like can you look at these types of songs and break them down? Thanks and I always enjoy your vids and feel I learn something from them.
Nice video as always. I would like to point out the rondo form; ABACAD. It would be interesting to also see how would you contextualize intstrumental solos and drum breaks.
Duran Duran Rio. . . Into-Verse-4BeatPause-Chorus-4BeatVerseSetup Verse-4BeatPause-Chorus-Mid8Expanded/Solo-Bridge-Outro Chorus While its basically Intro-A-B-A-B-C-B, is there a better way to name the sections and sub-sections? Simple sections don't properly describe what they do. (Is the final B really B' ?) Well-built song!
I was hoping to see a rondo represented somewhere. François Couperin's "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" is my all time favourite piece in that form, just sublime.
Thank you so much I needed this concept broken down, I used to just go intro verse chorus verse chorus more or less, been writing and playing for years and only approached that way, I only did that way , I now know I should of started simple and bout much like learning theory I jumped into to deep and developed a bad habit of the same structure and my songs all the same, this is going help me so much , oh man thank u so much
I've always kind of wondered about song structures, especially comparing video game background music against mainstream music heard over the radio. Super Mario Bros. main theme is more reminiscent of a structured song, while the other themes rely on the looping nature of the game music to give them structure. Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards (and possibly other games as well) have tracks that are much more varied. Some do have a particular structure, like the theme from the first level in the game, the major boss battle themes, and some others I can't quite think of at the moment. Gourmet race is one that seems to have a structure, but evolves over time, only repeating the most recently played sections until the song loops again. Terraria's music all seems through-composed.
You didn't mention D. S. (Dal Segno)/D. C. (Da Capo) al Coda. While not technically song structures (more player's notation), they do alter the song's structure and affect the existing structures by indicating what gets played again and what gets skipped before going to the Coda.
I have to submit the song rearrangement in the next 1 and a half month but I'm still struggling with basic music theory. Your video helps me a lot, thank you very much T*T. Wish you a happy weekend
One of the cleverest bridges I know is in Better Be Home Soon by Crowded House. Also Wild Flowers by Ryan Adams has 4 or 5 different parts and is a genius song.
could you make a video giving tipps on how to change up a chordprogression for a bridge or for a chorus or something? i struggle really hard to get out of a chordprogression i wrote
cant wait:)) and thanks for your vids, ive been watching you for some time and nearly all my music knowledge comes from your videos…keep up the great work!
I didn't see anyone metion this, but in a lot of metal subgenres the breakdown is a pivotal section in the song. Anything from metalcore to djent it's present.
Brilliant, concise, clear exploration of these forms, thank you David, I will be circulating this to my songwriting pals! One point: I recently came across the term "rondo" - which I had heard but didn't know what it was. Turns out it's a form in which a section is repeated and interspersed with different sections, ie ABACAD etc... it seems to come from classical music and I can't think of any examples of it in pop music. Do you know of any, and do you think this is a distinct song structure to the ones you've outlined?
Today I was working on The Name of the Game by Abba with a voice student. I was struck by the strange structure of the song and the number of different melodies, particularly in the chorus. Then it's a straight run back through with a fade out on the main chorus theme. I haven't come across another song with this type of form.
There actually seems to be a trend in modern pop songs to have an AABA structure within the chorus (I've been hearing it a lot in the last couple of years). I wonder why that is?
@@DavidBennettPianoI've actually kept a list of songs with AABA choruses lately, and it's already got ~30 songs on it. I can post it If it seems interesing enough!
One of my favorite codas in modern pop / rock is the one in 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' by Green Day, because it's also so jarring and chromatic. Also, honorary mentions of what song structure elements you might have missed is the rondo, which is a variation of the ABAC form you listed, for example ABACA, ABACADA (no 'abacadabra' pun intended), or ABACABA. You would mostly find examples of this form with prog rock bands, naturally (and Babymetal has a song called 'Rondo of Nightmare' that is in rondo form). Last point: a common variation of the bridge section would be the breakdown in metal songs, with more of an emphasis on it being either the heaviest part of the song, or a mellow interlude, often in half time.
I've been learning All Star on the piano and I think it has a pre chorus and a bridge? The years start coming section being the prechorus and the solo part being a bridge.
Thanks David. Very informative video. But how does an interlude differ from other song structures? Is it just a break in a song to provide a contrast to create emphasis on the next section of the song?
Popular song of the first quarter of the 20th century and even into the 1930s was mostly of binary form ABAB with the A being the verse and B being the chorus. With the repeat of the A having different words. Over time, the verses got lost and all we hear is the chorus. To the extent that many people don't even know the verses even exist. Two examples I know are Darktown Strutters Ball and Georgia on my Mind. In the case of Georgia, I knew of the verses from a buskers book I have but try finding a recording of Georgia here on TH-cam that includes the verse - practically impossible. Even a recording by the composer only includes the Chorus. Many of these songs became Jazz standards where the chorus is stated then used as a basis for improvisation.
As someone who learned and applied music theory in my native language, german, for almost a decade before exploring other languages and their terms for music theory, I had never heard the term chorus outside the english context. My native german uses Refrain exclusively for what english speaking musicians would describe as a chorus. And then spanish and the do-re-mi-fa-sol system use different terms for different types of songs. From my very subjective point of view Id say in pop, as it is generally dominated by the Chorus vs Refrain distinction, however in classical discourse and even german pop discourse, Refrain is still the main term used to describe the main section, the climax of a pop song.
Utterly brilliant and very helpful. Thank you so much @DavidBennettPiano Am I right in thinking ABBA's Thank You For The Music is a 32-bar form with an old-fashioned verse?
The traditional Scottish song "Skye Boat Song" has a front-loaded chorus, as do "Live Forever" by Oasis and "Shout" by Tears For Fears. The choice to open with the chorus in "Shout" by Tears For Fears is made more interesting by the fact it's the opening track of its respective album, which certainly makes for a bold introduction.
I've noticed a few songs that are technically strophic, even though the lyrics are clearly verse-chorus. Seems to be fairly common in Country two step songs like "Central Daylight Time" by Wrinkle Neck Mules. The theatrical version of "Over the Rainbow" includes an opening verse. Quite a few recordings of this, and that initial verse is one of my favorites in any musical genre.
@@MasonBarge well 32 bar form is a structure with AABA pattern and other conventions. It doesn’t stipulate a chord progression. 12 bar blues is a 12 bar chord progression which is used as part of various other structures including strophic and binary
A verse tells you what happened, and a chorus describes how you feel about what happened, or what you're going to do about it. That's a broad generalization, of course. As far as different song structures, dance music has risers and drops, breakdowns, buildups, and so on, as structural elements. Are there crossover pop songs that don't fold those elements into a standard pop structure? Also, what about bands like Tool or King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard? I can't remember any specific songs that stand out for having an unusual structure, because I haven't tried to learn how to play any of them.
Very nice explanation! I would be curious about some typical techniques (melodical and rhythmical) that are used e. g. in a pre-chorus. Maybe that’s an idea for more videos? 😊
Can you do one of these on composition types? i always get confused on the differences between something like a sonata and a symphony and it would be really cool to actually *know* what that means before i play or while i write
brb writing down all of these sections so I can make the most incomprehensibly structured song and throwing as much of these in a single track as possible
Yesss fractal-like structured musiccc
Bro wtf
Komar and Melamid’s most unwanted song. A 22 minute masterpiece.
@@hopsiepikeI forgot about this masterpiece 😭
Bring it on. ABCDEBDCFDCA
As a DJ, I’ve learned over the years to never mess with a coda. Try fading out the end of ‘Hey Jude’ or ‘Don’t Stop Me Now’ and the floor will want to hang you 😂
Similarly with some intro, Gloria Gaynor’s ‘I Will Survive’ for example.
The intro and coda are often integral to the energy of the entire song, even though they lack a dance beat.
Alright you've convinced me.. I'll no longer be referring to the end of my songs as the outro.. from now on I will be calling them by their proper name, the "Outroduction"!!! Lmfao 🤣😆🤣😆🤣
My favorite sequence is: AᗺBA
I like that one too. It's sweeter than Honey, Honey
That sequence makes me feel like i could dance and jive having the time of my life
@@CMAATNThe theory book on the shelf, the structure's repeating itseeeeeeeeeelf
I prefer ABACAB.
What is the genesis of that structure?
Prog is where you see a lot of episodic structure. My band has a song that goes: Intro/A/B/C/D/C/E/Break/F/G/H/G/B
hehe yeah. I run a lot of Opeth and Steven Wilson songs into my DAW and mark out distinct sections off to try and find a structure to the songs, and I often risk running out of alphabet!
What's the name of the song and your band? I love prog
@@Dipwad Band: Gamma Repeater. Album: Reverser in Neutral. Song: Dinosaur.
Yes may have run out of letters on some songs...
Haha yeah I'm a progmetal composer and primarily go episodic with our 10 minute songs because they're telling "chapters" (thematic plot points) of the backing adventure fantasy story. but a couple are 4 or 5 minutes long and actually have a couple repeating sections! one is even "normal" with Intro, V, C, V, C, Bridge, Chorus Outro.
thank you for always adding so many examples in your videos!! it really helps me to understand, especially because i dont know a whole lot of technical information about music!
Great! 😊
Thanks for this video. I’m a lyricist who sometimes works with a composer partner. I knew many of these terms, but some were new to me. I have sometimes heard a pre-chorus referred to as a “slide.” One thing I’ll say about the bridge, from a lyricist’s point of view, is that it gives the writer the opportunity to offer a side comment on the song’s narrative. It’s an interesting way to bring in a new perspective that you might not be able to express in the verse or chorus.
Finally, someone was able to give me a reasonable explanation of the difference between a "Bridge" and a "Middle 8". Thank you @davidbennettpiano !
@DavidBennettPiano
A few song structures that appear a lot in modern worship music (and maybe also in other genres): tag, interlude, vamp, refrain, turnaround, breakdown.
There are also modifiers that often get pre-pended to choruses such as: down, up, instrumental, a cappella, etc.
Worship music - whatever that really is - is not the only thing that uses those labels. Do have a listen to other types of music.
@@itnefer4787 I do listen to and have written in lots of genres of music. My comment did mention that perhaps other genres use some of those structures too. It’s just that my first interaction with a lot of those structures happened to occur while working on worship music.
By worship, I’m referring mostly to Christian music from roughly the 1990s up to today. My experience with Jewish worship music and other types of worship music has shown me that often the entire framework and mindset can be very different from a musical perspective.
Could you explain the terms you mention or give some examples of songs that make use of them? I haven't heard of some of them before and I'd love to know more.
"Say it ain't so" - Best bridge ever!
Love that song so much!
The best weezer song!@@DavidBennettPiano
One of the top five songs ever in history...
DBP videos are wildly informative and very accessible, but the real reason I watch these videos is for David's pleasing British accent. Keep up the great work!
Hey! It's interesting because in French we only have the word Refrain, and not Chorus! It's really shows how language also shapes the way we analyse, differentiate, and identify different components of a song.
same thing in German, we took the word "Refrain" from the French to mean the same thing as "Chorus" in English
In Portuguese we use the word ‘refrão’. I guess English is the problem here haha 😂
Pretty similar situation in Serbia/Croatia/Bosnia/Montenegro - we all just use _"refren"_ for the chorus.
@@Lorenzo_der_RitterIn my Band it’s all messed up: Sometimes it’s Chorus, sometimes it’s Refrain, sometimes Strophe and Chorus are on the same sheet of paper.
And in russian there's "рефрен" (refrɛn) and "припев" (pripev) which mean the same thing (at least according to Wiktionary. my personal use of them is kinda "refrain" and "chorus" respectively)
In Bohemian Rhapsody I always considered "Mama, just killed a man..." and "Too late, my time has come..." as two verses, which themselves have an AB structure each. That's because save for their respective endings (the 2nd verse's B cut short by 2 bars going intp the guitar solo which again is on that B's chord progression before it modulates for another 2 bar different ending)
This is one of the topics I struggle the most when composing, as I was not trained in music, just took some guitar classes. My TH-cam algorithm is flooded with production tips and tricks, but this... This is gold value for me.
Thank you.
Yes. When just picking and choosing some parts of music to learn, you miss out on seemingly simple things that can actually really help with songwriting, like key changes.
You are not the only one bro 😅
This is just about the best explanation of musical form I've ever seen. Thank you!!!
I studied in a musical theatre conservatory and we spent a lot of time working with "Golden Age" tunes that used the AABA structure. He used a specific word--the "vest" to describe the verse before the beginning of the AABA section. Great example is the "But do you recall...the most famous reindeer of all?" portion of "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer."
A notable song structure is the one of Lynyrd Skynyrd's Free Bird: two sections, one is a Coda and before the coda there's a section called "something you'd pretend doesn't even exist but you must listen just to get to the Coda"
it’s like you physically *HAVE* to, you can’t listen to the coda without the pre-coda thing or else it’ll sound like a dumpster fire
I think y'all are nuts! (Not southern, just acting.) Of course we all love that amazing energy and the guitar work at the end, but it's a very emotional and melancholy song before it gets to that. It's also common in southern rock, like Fall of the Peacemakers, Ramblin' Man, and Green Grass and High Tides - the big southern rock anthems. It's a full song followed by a guitar break that's just as long. (I have difficulty calling it a coda. It seems way more than that.) I know, there is no argument for my taste being more meaningful than yours, but it seems a shame to sell the song short before the guitar leads. Since I was a little boy that slide guitar in Free Bird made me want to cry, and I never knew why.
One of my favorite "episodic" songs is Thunder Road by Bruce Springsteen. It has the same tempo and time signature throughout, but the melody changes slightly in each section and doesn't repeat. That's why it still feels fresh every time I hear it.
great overview. for those that are new to music this break down will help to establish some structure in their thinking, and give them some vocabulary for interacting with other musicians in band situations. nicely done.
I have heard ”Refrain” word to be used for the same last word or sentence repeated in every section.
”Can’t help falling in love with you” or ”My way”
Are examples.
I've heard that as well and you provide great examples. I think these should be better described as _"refrain lines"_ if only to differentiate them further from choruses.
Yep, ”refrain line” makes sense at the moment.
I’m not native english speaker, but as far as I understand ”refrain” means when you keep yourself from doing something.
I am forexample this week refraining from coffee to let my body get it’s adenosine levels to natural levels.
So in that in mind, refrain would mean, prolonged note before resolution and the repeating line in the end of every song section would be ”resolution line”.
@@GingerWaters That's a very nice way of looking at it. As far as I know, this word comes from Old French refraindre, meaning 'break', as the repeated refrain breaks up the sequence of the song/poem. It may go even further back and mean something slightly different in Latin.
Don't forget that Rhythm Heaven song that uses the lyrical refrain "I suppose" as a built-in input cue for CLAPPING MONKIES HELL YEAH
This is so well constructed and clear. Lots of stuff I've been wanting to understand and I feel I got it completely in one go. Thanks so much!
Holy smokes! One of your best videos yet...and that's really saying something 🙂🎹
Thank you!!
I agree
Speaking of AᗺBA, the song Dancing Queen has an unusual structure when after the intro its jumps right into the second half of the chorus (or maybe you could call it a post-chorus). The reason for this, Björn Ulvaeus said when interviewed by Rick Beato, was because otherwise the song would've been too long.
It's like: Intro-C2-A1-A2-B-C1-C2-A1-B-C1-C2-Outro
This was brilliant and so helpful, David. Thank you for producing such high-quality videos.
I finally understand a bit that George Burns (guess hold old I am) used to do all the time -- singing forgotten verses to songs where the practice over time had become to jump right into the chorus. Thanks.
Never heard of him!
I remember John Bubbles on Tonight singing some of these and wrapping up with what he called the perfect universal first verse. He sang it and segued into the Star Spangled Banner
'Take me out' By Franz Ferdinand has an interesting structure - almost a contemporary example of the show tune structure, with an initial "verse" section in a different tempo to the rest of the song, that never gets repeated. 🤔
I think they said they liked the verse faster and the chorus slower so they just moved both verses to the beginning and left all the chorus’s at the end
19:09 - The example of a front-loaded chorus that immediately popped into my head was "In the Air Tonight". 🙂
I was thinking "She Loves You".
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@@danielduarte2139And Bad Medicine! Althogh there is a short intro
I'll never get tired of listening to Bing Crosby's golden voice.
I agree, but then he was such an A-hole !
This was extra good! Favourite video of yours.
On favourite examples, Stockton Gala Days by 10,000 Maniacs has a clever structure, with bits chopped up and missed out, lots of pre and post choruses and bridges which help to deliver drive and release... Natalie Merchant often does interesting things with structure, and is well worth looking at in that light.
Visually highlighting the different sections of different songs definitely made this the most helpful of several videos I watchd on the subject. Apprecated.
What i've learned over the years is that as a composer you can't generally force a strong structure. The best structure given a couple sections that you are trying to get working together,largely depends on how to best present those sections and nothing else. The structures we see in songs are 'found' by trying everything possible and keeping the best arrangement. So when you hear many popular songs with very different structure: it means each is well done becasue it was true to it's elements and presented them effectively in the structure that created the most appropriate impact for the style and general presentation.
I'm improving by watching your channel. When you discussed strophic form I immediately thought of 'The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald'.
You are genuinely such a bright spot in the desolate wasteland that is the internet. I just finished writing my first EP and learned so much in the process. This video makes me want to go back and examine the structure of my songs and see if I can fine tune them using some of the things you mention here.
I can't hit the like button enough. Thanks for taking the time to make this!
I love this channel so much
My favourite vid so far 💪🏻 your examples are so helpful. Been needing this lesson for years haha
Fantastic 😊😊
David, another great video. Thanks so much!
You describe “Wake me up when September ends” as AABA. To me the repeating sentence “wake me up when September ends” ticks all the boxes to be considered a chorus, albeit a short one. That would make the song structure verse-chorus-verse-chorus with your B section as bridge (or middle 8).
Hi there. I politely disagree (with the intent of having a healthy debate, not judging or trolling). One thing David didn't mention about Strophic Form (AAA) in this video but has mentioned in a different video, is that Stophic Form often has a repeating line, usually the last line of the verse. This provides some of the function of a chorus in that it provides a particular repeating, melodic, catchy, line and has a lyric that provides a summary of the meaning of the song. However, it doesn't fully qualify as a Chorus because it is shorter and usually hasn't provided a shift in tonality or dynamic that is expected of a chorus. The term "refrain" could be used here if you wish. I know that this song is not Strophic as it is Binary, but you can still use this repeating last line of a verse in Binary or any other form.
When describing or scoring music, there often can be multiple ways of doing it. However, often simplest is key because you are trying to explain an idea to someone else. Therefore, explaining "Wake me up when September Ends" as "ABABA Coda" is easier than saying "ABABCABABABCABABBB"
The ABACA or ABACABA form is very common in Rondos, which originated in the Baroque era and continued into the Classical period. A great example is Beethoven's "Fur Elise".
Question: Songs like "With or Without You", "Careless Whisper" & "Last Christmas" use the same chord progression throughout but have distinct melodies for Verse & Chorus. Do these count as Strophic? Is it the chord progression or the melody which make it strophic?
man... this goes way back. First came the Menuet, which is AABA except B is called the trio. And then there's the Rondo, which is ABACA. and then comes Sonata form which really confuses things but I think it goes back further than that but I think all music will always revert back to these first structures because it feels right.
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What a fun video, thank you! I think it's interesting how we start applying structure and "rules" to music based on music that already exists. It's very similar to language, where some kind of consensus has been found out of what is or has been most popular. Still, I'm always interested in experimenting and trying out new stuff. Well, new as in, not neccessarily popular. Of course an unfathomable amount of things has been tried out before.
I never take any music class ever so I know nothing about this. I listen to a bunch of songs without really paying attention but I know for sure it usually have verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge and sometimes intro and outro until recently I listen to a bunch of kpop songs.
Songs from SM like Super Junior 'Sexy, Free and Single' 'Mamacita', Exo 'Call Me Baby", Aespa "Next Level" really made my brain go, "wait, what's this I'm hearing?". It's not the usual song structure I've heard then I checked out genius lyrics and found things like Breakdown, Interlude, Refrain, etc.
I watch this vid to know more about song structure as I'm interested and thank you for the explanation. I wish you could explain interlude and breakdown.
Very glad you made this video, I’ve been trying to analyze song structure to try and help improve the flow for a lot of the songs I make.
I have a habit of structuring my songs as "building A-section, Bridge, A section again with more elements to make it spicier".
It works like once or twice since my songs are instrumental since I don't have confidence as a lyricist, but it feels like a crutch. It feels like a structure I've picked up from listening to (mostly) instrumental electronica like Fatboy Slim and The Chemical Brothers.
Also, I remember when Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid M.A.A.D. City dropped, my one friend who is a rapper was really excited about Money Trees and the structure of that song. He described it to me as, as best as I can remember, “7 different hooks just circling around each other” or something to that effect. I'll have to listen to the song again to see if I can identify the structure it has.
In French, my native language, refrain is still the word we use for chorus.
Also, one of my favorite bands that used to pretty much only write through-composed songs is actually the metalcore band Woe, Is Me. Although they now have choruses, their first two albums are quite striking to me as there is almost no recurring part in any of the songs. Quite a big particularity for the genre that I don't see many fans talking about.
As always, pure gold. Thank you!
During Jimmy Buffets first appearance on the Tonight Show, after Margaritaville he sang an old standard (forget which one) and made it a point to include the forgotten verse. Johnny was so impressed that he made it a point to thank Jimmy since it was so common to skip over it
Your videos just get better. Thanks.
David, another brilliant video.
My favorite examples of songs that are Strophic(aside from their brief intros and outros) but not supposed to be simple chants or rhymes are the video game tracks "Scarlet Phoneme" from _Touhou 4: Lotus Land Story_ and "Built to Scale" from _Rhythm Heaven Fever._ They both have one melody that repeats, but they change the key of the melody and have different beats to go alongside it as it progresses. The latter one also changes the BPM at which the melody plays as well, but that's ultimately just another simple setting change. It works so well because the one melody each of them use are independent and dynamic, to the point at which they can flawlessly lead up to themselves from themselves. A musical ouroboros, if you will.
Great video, but surely ABACAB by Genesis deserves a mention? It is probably the only song that (sort-of) describes its own structure!
actually it's ACCAABBAAC
I was screaming at my phone for ABACAB
One of my favourite codas is the one from Saviour by Prince. It's a complete tonal shift and could have been left out but it all works so well and is by far my favourite part of the song.
You explanation is so good I now cannot unhear songs.
Variations is a form that has been used in classical music for centuries but a contemporary version would be building up a song through layering loops, and is popular in dance music and with some street performers (who use loops recorded and played back live, in layers, as an accompaniment).
12:15 Even in Classical Music Pieces, for example in Mendelssohn's Rondo Capriciosso, the first Section Andante can be considered as a verse, and the second Presto Section is the Chorus.
I'm surprised you didn't mention 12-bar blues. It's a form that's made its mark on popular music, especially in the early days of rock 'n' roll.
True. Although I think of 12 bar blues more as a chord progression than a song structure. 😊😊
Also the one chord vamp - john lee hooker bo diddley etc.@@DavidBennettPiano
@@DavidBennettPiano lyrics are often AAB, so imo it counts as a structure
@@TheHowlingEye yeah fair point 😊
@@DavidBennettPianoI think I agree that it is a chord progression and the song form is then Strophic as you repeat the 12 bars over and over I.e, it is AAAAAAA (ad infinitum, depending on how many people walk into the room and want to do their own guitar solo 😂).
I've only just realised that I've been calling it an outro and it never occurred to me that of course there's no such word as outroduction!!
It's in music books too. It's not us being slackers. Pete Townshend played with that concept (kinda) in the rock opera Tommy, which had an overture and an underture. Now he was out on his own with that one. Outros are well established.
Rhapsody is a greek term that literally means "sewed singing", which perfectly fits the A+B+C+D+E format!
Wow, I was just wondering about this! I was trying to study some songs I liked to try and recreate them but I didn't know how to name parts of the structures for my notes.
Another mighty useful video. I knew about the 'missing verse' in (classic) 32-bar form.. but even though I knew a lot of the tunes were from shows, I never saw the movies/shows so didn't properly understand the usage of the verse. Chorus forms were also useful. and the explanation of how the 'Refrain' is often a 'mini-chorus'.
Like the 'chord notation' and 'music iceberg' videos, these 'theory history' videos are often the most useful (to me, anyway). Fanx! a heap for posting them. 😀
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it will interesting to make a video about the role of the instruments in every section and how a song builds up! thank you for your awesome work!
Such a great episode!
If you could make one about baroque-classical-romantic era music structures that would be perfect
And then you have trad music, which is just ABABABABABA on infinite loop until your group gets bored, the dance ends, everyone had a solo, or you get too fast to keep going. Love that.
I love your videos David, you always seem to put one out about a current topic in my mind!
Keep up the good work
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In Progressive rock you hear a lot about "Themes". (please excuse my lack of technical song knowledge) but it seems like the song can either go anywhere and not repeat anything except for this "theme" or it can have repeating sections (verse, chorus and so on) and still revisit the "theme" occasionally. (sometimes it seems randomly) It usually shows up in longer pieces that have movements such as Yes' Close to the Edge or Genesis' Supper's Ready or Pink Floyd's Dogs. If you like can you look at these types of songs and break them down?
Thanks and I always enjoy your vids and feel I learn something from them.
Best song structure video on YT. Thanks.
Nice video as always. I would like to point out the rondo form; ABACAD. It would be interesting to also see how would you contextualize intstrumental solos and drum breaks.
Duran Duran Rio. . .
Into-Verse-4BeatPause-Chorus-4BeatVerseSetup
Verse-4BeatPause-Chorus-Mid8Expanded/Solo-Bridge-Outro Chorus
While its basically Intro-A-B-A-B-C-B, is there a better way to name the sections and sub-sections? Simple sections don't properly describe what they do. (Is the final B really B' ?)
Well-built song!
I was hoping to see a rondo represented somewhere. François Couperin's "Les Barricades Mystérieuses" is my all time favourite piece in that form, just sublime.
I think that you can view ABAC as a kind of truncated rondo.
Thank you so much I needed this concept broken down, I used to just go intro verse chorus verse chorus more or less, been writing and playing for years and only approached that way, I only did that way , I now know I should of started simple and bout much like learning theory I jumped into to deep and developed a bad habit of the same structure and my songs all the same, this is going help me so much , oh man thank u so much
The Bee Gees “Nights on Broadway “ has complex beautiful structures that repeat excellently.
I've always kind of wondered about song structures, especially comparing video game background music against mainstream music heard over the radio.
Super Mario Bros. main theme is more reminiscent of a structured song, while the other themes rely on the looping nature of the game music to give them structure.
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards (and possibly other games as well) have tracks that are much more varied. Some do have a particular structure, like the theme from the first level in the game, the major boss battle themes, and some others I can't quite think of at the moment. Gourmet race is one that seems to have a structure, but evolves over time, only repeating the most recently played sections until the song loops again.
Terraria's music all seems through-composed.
You didn't mention D. S. (Dal Segno)/D. C. (Da Capo) al Coda. While not technically song structures (more player's notation), they do alter the song's structure and affect the existing structures by indicating what gets played again and what gets skipped before going to the Coda.
They're not sections at all, so it's understandable David didn't mention them.
I have to submit the song rearrangement in the next 1 and a half month but I'm still struggling with basic music theory. Your video helps me a lot, thank you very much T*T. Wish you a happy weekend
One of the cleverest bridges I know is in Better Be Home Soon by Crowded House. Also Wild Flowers by Ryan Adams has 4 or 5 different parts and is a genius song.
I love that you put Judy on here! ❤
Goodjob.Can you make a Classical version of this?
could you make a video giving tipps on how to change up a chordprogression for a bridge or for a chorus or something? i struggle really hard to get out of a chordprogression i wrote
I'm actually planning a video on that soon!
cant wait:)) and thanks for your vids, ive been watching you for some time and nearly all my music knowledge comes from your videos…keep up the great work!
I didn't see anyone metion this, but in a lot of metal subgenres the breakdown is a pivotal section in the song. Anything from metalcore to djent it's present.
Brilliant, concise, clear exploration of these forms, thank you David, I will be circulating this to my songwriting pals! One point: I recently came across the term "rondo" - which I had heard but didn't know what it was. Turns out it's a form in which a section is repeated and interspersed with different sections, ie ABACAD etc... it seems to come from classical music and I can't think of any examples of it in pop music. Do you know of any, and do you think this is a distinct song structure to the ones you've outlined?
That has cleared up so many questions for me, Thank You
Glad it was helpful!
Gold. Thanks!
Thank you!
Today I was working on The Name of the Game by Abba with a voice student. I was struck by the strange structure of the song and the number of different melodies, particularly in the chorus. Then it's a straight run back through with a fade out on the main chorus theme. I haven't come across another song with this type of form.
There actually seems to be a trend in modern pop songs to have an AABA structure within the chorus (I've been hearing it a lot in the last couple of years). I wonder why that is?
Good point, it can work like a substructure within a greater song form 😊
@@DavidBennettPianoI've actually kept a list of songs with AABA choruses lately, and it's already got ~30 songs on it. I can post it If it seems interesing enough!
@@DavidBennettPianoAnd didn't you say Tiny Dancer uses it for the verses?
@@mebamme Yeah do it! Maybe I could do a video on it!
@@mebammeThat would be of interest! Probably more interesting than a list of ABBA choruses anyway
One of my favorite codas in modern pop / rock is the one in 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' by Green Day, because it's also so jarring and chromatic. Also, honorary mentions of what song structure elements you might have missed is the rondo, which is a variation of the ABAC form you listed, for example ABACA, ABACADA (no 'abacadabra' pun intended), or ABACABA. You would mostly find examples of this form with prog rock bands, naturally (and Babymetal has a song called 'Rondo of Nightmare' that is in rondo form). Last point: a common variation of the bridge section would be the breakdown in metal songs, with more of an emphasis on it being either the heaviest part of the song, or a mellow interlude, often in half time.
With Boulevard of Broken Dreams I would say the coda saves the song. Without it, it’s a fairly generic track
I've been learning All Star on the piano and I think it has a pre chorus and a bridge? The years start coming section being the prechorus and the solo part being a bridge.
Thanks David. Very informative video. But how does an interlude differ from other song structures? Is it just a break in a song to provide a contrast to create emphasis on the next section of the song?
Popular song of the first quarter of the 20th century and even into the 1930s was mostly of binary form ABAB with the A being the verse and B being the chorus. With the repeat of the A having different words. Over time, the verses got lost and all we hear is the chorus. To the extent that many people don't even know the verses even exist. Two examples I know are Darktown Strutters Ball and Georgia on my Mind. In the case of Georgia, I knew of the verses from a buskers book I have but try finding a recording of Georgia here on TH-cam that includes the verse - practically impossible. Even a recording by the composer only includes the Chorus. Many of these songs became Jazz standards where the chorus is stated then used as a basis for improvisation.
As someone who learned and applied music theory in my native language, german, for almost a decade before exploring other languages and their terms for music theory, I had never heard the term chorus outside the english context. My native german uses Refrain exclusively for what english speaking musicians would describe as a chorus. And then spanish and the do-re-mi-fa-sol system use different terms for different types of songs. From my very subjective point of view Id say in pop, as it is generally dominated by the Chorus vs Refrain distinction, however in classical discourse and even german pop discourse, Refrain is still the main term used to describe the main section, the climax of a pop song.
Utterly brilliant and very helpful. Thank you so much @DavidBennettPiano
Am I right in thinking ABBA's Thank You For The Music is a 32-bar form with an old-fashioned verse?
The traditional Scottish song "Skye Boat Song" has a front-loaded chorus, as do "Live Forever" by Oasis and "Shout" by Tears For Fears. The choice to open with the chorus in "Shout" by Tears For Fears is made more interesting by the fact it's the opening track of its respective album, which certainly makes for a bold introduction.
I've noticed a few songs that are technically strophic, even though the lyrics are clearly verse-chorus. Seems to be fairly common in Country two step songs like "Central Daylight Time" by Wrinkle Neck Mules.
The theatrical version of "Over the Rainbow" includes an opening verse. Quite a few recordings of this, and that initial verse is one of my favorites in any musical genre.
Zombie by the Cranberrys falls into the same category.
I do believe you skipped one common structure. The 12 bar blues. There are a gazillion songs written with this structure.
12 bar blues is a chord progression really though, not a song structure
Absolutely correct, although the more traditional blues form has a stricter AAB form.
@@DavidBennettPiano If 32 bar is included, 12 bar should be. IMO.
@@MasonBarge well 32 bar form is a structure with AABA pattern and other conventions. It doesn’t stipulate a chord progression.
12 bar blues is a 12 bar chord progression which is used as part of various other structures including strophic and binary
@@MasonBarge it is true though that the blues traditionally had the AAB form within the 12 bars. Fair point
Thank you for the great vid!
Thank you ☺️
A verse tells you what happened, and a chorus describes how you feel about what happened, or what you're going to do about it. That's a broad generalization, of course.
As far as different song structures, dance music has risers and drops, breakdowns, buildups, and so on, as structural elements. Are there crossover pop songs that don't fold those elements into a standard pop structure?
Also, what about bands like Tool or King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard? I can't remember any specific songs that stand out for having an unusual structure, because I haven't tried to learn how to play any of them.
Great video. David is posed to be the best TH-cam music teacher
Wow, thanks!
Very nice explanation! I would be curious about some typical techniques (melodical and rhythmical) that are used e. g. in a pre-chorus. Maybe that’s an idea for more videos? 😊
A great analysis - as always! 👍
Can you do one of these on composition types? i always get confused on the differences between something like a sonata and a symphony and it would be really cool to actually *know* what that means before i play or while i write
Great video, very comprehensive!