You should have mentioned the problems Hungary has with Poland right now. The traditional best friends are really in a situation due to Hungary's Russia business. Poland is pissed.
Don't worry, polish leaders are spineless enough to still support the hungarian autocrat. If something can be used to fight Germany or EU in general, polish leadership will use it. Especially now, as Poland is entering its electoral period and the ruling party is looking for imaginary enemies to fight off
Hungary can’t play it both ways and get rewarded for it. If Hungary doesn’t change then I can see the EU just making things difficult for Hungary in the hopes they eventually leave the union.
Best result would be to get orban to leave and get someone decent to replace him, but as an italian i barely have any hope that will happen in my country so yeah... hungarexit it is
I predict, soon a lot more will consider leaving than Hungary. The recent Putin fiasco has slowed down the dissolution a bit, but it's only a matter of time. EU is run by pretentious weaklings who impose their ideology on all the members.
As a Hungarian I'm happy with this, EU money has been one of the key factors in Orban becoming so powerful, he's effectively in control of where it gets spent. He isn't nearly as popular as it might seem, he just shovels money places and buys support.
I'm unhappy by the amount. 3 billion has been circling in news outlets and it seems it will be reduced to 0 in exchange for a few pretend policy changes. I suspect that at most the 3 billion will stay which is enough to get the EU parliament of the Commission's ass and keep Orbán pointing at the "evil EU bureaucrats" while not enough to make a serious dent in their blatant money stealing.
@@coderentity2079 As a Hungarian, Orbán is the most corrupt leader in the EU. I'm very happy too that the government won't get EU funds now, and cracks will start to show just how much the elite stole in the last 6 years.
Good video. But I think Article 7 still is an option. Poland does not support Hungary's stance on the war in Ukraine and is a strong critic of Orban's latest antics. I think there are cracks in the relationship and I feel the EU could lobby Poland to agree to Article 7. Especially, if the EU were to cut Poland some slack regarding the COVID recovery fund payments (Which the EU already has).
I am starting to wonder about that. Sooner or later, even clever autocrats make big mistakes. Look at Putin or Erdogan, or Xi. I am starting to think that the real benefit or democracy is to prevent anyone to sit in power so long as they can mess up big time.
Is that a bad thing, the EU is a struggling entity now, a currency artificially propped up, trillions in dead bonds, economic turmoil across its members and powers and sovereignty been taken from everyone to fuel the EU's goal of empirical dictatorship.
yeah...they said that about putin too remember? TIME AND TIME again....and then this. You forget that hungary is on its way to AUTOCRACY for almost the same amount of time as russia...and more importantly STILL orban remains in power. Meaning there is a LARGE OVERWHELMING portion of the Population that actually LIKE how he styles himself as the EU Putin. And just like the russians gave him power...and what are THEY gonna do when he uses it now?...yeah...the same thing as the russians. Look on in awe as their leader literally brings them and the rest on the brink of nuclear holcaust, trying to convince anyone willing to listen HE is the one getting forced to do this. And just like in russia there will be millions that believe him in hungary too. Even if they know its a lie...theyre still going to advocate as if it were not.
No mention of the impact the Ukraine war has had on Poland and Hungarys relationship? I don't know much of their relationship but it's interesting that they are probably the most pro Ukraine and pro russian EU states respectively, must be hard for Poland to see a future in their arrangement
but again Poland have no right to mess with Hungary's opinion, Hungary can stay neutral etc in the conflict by their wish, countries dont fk**g need to choose sides in stuff, like bruh just bruh
During WW2 Poland chose to oppose the Germans, and Hungary chose to side with them. In the end, both got roughed up by both the German Empire and the USSR as well. There simply turned out to be no good choice for anyone in Central Europe. I am afraid history rhymes, and we are in exactly the same spot now between the EU and Russia; because in the end, make no mistake, both sides would destroy both Hungary and Poland over and over again in a heartbeat for their own interests, but even on opposing sides, the Poles and Huns will be there beside one another. This is where the Polish-Hungarian friendship spurs from.
eu rules be like: 1. elect Ursula who didn't saw threat in nord stream 2 2. keep buying russian oil because "otherwise price will be higher" 3. Spending 300 billions on renewebles, which will be made in China with materials from Russia 4. Orban won elections because of corruption, not because left opposition united with right 5. Poland must share their gas with Germany. 6. Norway must sell gas cheaper despite they are not even part of EU 7. Lithuania must close their nuclear plant and pay for electricity 10x times more 8. Ukraine have status of canditate but we can't allow them in because we can't piss off Turkey. 9. No decision about visas for russians: we want their workers but also want them overthrown Putin. Dylemma
This way it's the other way around, the EU gets the benefits of having Hungary in it so the big nations can exploit it's economy without Hungary having a choice in the matter and they don't even pay their dues for it.
What f rules?? made up by unelected far leftist ( closet marxists ) bureaucrats.. lol f them and their rules. We all saw it with covid... the ELITE who made up the rules did not follow them themselves. So f them and f any brainwashed sheep who believes that nonsense. You are a citizen in orwell's 1984 and not understanding how brainwashed you are.
I agree. EU should impose rules. But I dissagree with this approach. I prefer the Putin approach. Roll with tanks in their capital and make them submit. Only then I will respect the EU lol.
Hungarian here: it was a win-win for Orban. If they get the money "We get the money we are so awesome, celebrate us" if they don't "your problems are happening due to the European union, here, we protect you by fighting with the eu"
But at the same time it will make him unpopular because people will want change: somebody stronger, somebody that can stand up to the "evil Brussel regime urr durr", somebody that can protect them during these harsh times. But I think the opposition in hungary is pretty lackluster, isn't it?
Yeah sadly it helps push Orbans narrative but I don’t think it will convince a lot of people. A majority of the country hates him, and doesn’t believe him anyways
@OddPotato Nah not really. German here. Sure Gas Prices hit hard but atleast at home I dont need to heat. The Winters are not cold in northern Germany we do not live in Siberia. German problem is a general problem. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
@OddPotato "xD" And when wealthy countries go into recession, they can't affort to pay the less wealthy countries their helping funds. So in the long run, Hungary is more fucked. Because they will get back to the first world status rather quick, but the rest (especially a country that is known for being a thorn in the eye) will have a hard time for longer. Germany and the others will get hit hard but "short".
It's so sad seeing my country going down this path. Hungary has always choosen the wrong side in history, we sadly just don't learn. Only way to change the minds of our leaders is threathening their moneysupply.
@@yurichtube1162 Putin is a losing power, beside the mass mobilisation means his troops lost in the battlefield are higher than most of the analysis expected. We can divert are oil from Russia to Algeria throught Spain. But Russia under Putin only able to export raw material and cant produce signification production due to the oligarchy corruption.
As a person from Hungary, I'm really happy about it. Most it would go right into the leadership's pockets or be spent on hatemongering campaigns, now at least they will need to skip a few trips to Hawaii to pay for it and revaluate if they'd prefer to cooperate with the EU.. which would most likely better the lives of Hungarians in the future more than those $7.5 billion.
@@abobanger9054 Thank you for standing by us! Actually the fact that the EU said it out loud that Hungary is an Electoral Autocracy is extremely important for many of us. We've been saying it for years as they were poisoning the everage citizen's mind with wicked propaganda, but hearing the EU say it out as well gives so much hope.
I do think this is good idea, you can't just allow EU members to benefit without following the rules. I mean that's kinda the point of being in a agreement. EU is founded on common values, if you want to be part of EU, you should follow those. I do have to say, in future EU needs to be more strict on reforms on how government works on new countries joining in.
Every country has its own values and doesn’t have to become a multicultural society with gun crime because the globalist eu members want it like that 😊
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 stop manipulating words. We are disagreeing over sanctions as Hungary unlike Poland is a landlocked country and it's considerably harder for them to import gas from abroad. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people-usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group-in whole or in part so the last genocide I remember on these lands was the Wołyń massacre.
As a Pole, I am ashamed of our government's actions and want to apologise for the troubles we are causing because of them. We simply need to get rid of PiS to return to a functional state. And as a side note, even their devout voters are PISSED that the government still supports hungary, even when Orban is so openly pro-putin. I think their days are (at long last) numbered.
Hi Guys, Hungarian citizen here, let me just share my thoughts. I am a bit disappointed that the video dugs really deep on the theoretical background of the disputes and the mechanisms currently ongoing to keep Hungary in check, but it does not address the two essential aspects of this issue. 1.) Currently most likely resolution of the conflict (now communicated by Comission as well): Hungary put down a really complex legislation package to settle the argument. If Hungary introduces into legislation the full package, then all "sanctions" will be lifted for the 2021-27 EU funds. The two main problems with this package are: 1. Hungary is not joining the European Public Prosecutor’s Office, which is an established europen institute with authority to conduct investigations, and is completely independent of Hungarian government. 2. The package is made extremely complicated without straightforward authority, and heavily depends on other govermnet institutions to have real effect. -> this is a major problem, as by now, all goverment institutions are controlled by the ruling political party. 2.) There is absolutely no sign of change of mind of the goverment to divert from the autocratic attitude, and in my eyes, this totally undermines the seriousness of any measure defined by the government itself. This is apparent from recent news: judges are appointed under political influence during the summer (also breaching hungarian laws without any consequence!), strike rights of teachers are narrowed down to a point that they can not effectively strike anymore, multiple times vetoing EU foreign affair policies in favour of Russia. Also, the very principle of the ruling party is, that there is no balance of power and checks challenging the party, the only check of power can come from within the party itself. Accepting such a legislation that is against this principle simly does not fit the current system. To sum it up, this video is doing just the same as EU institutions, highlighting just foggy, theoretical issues, and as a result, not dealing with the underlying real problems, which results in no real affect on the decline of democracy in Hungary. Now the decision lies in the hands of the Council and to some extent the EP, so I am keen to see if those bodies are brave enough to push the issue of Hungarian democracy in the current extreme situation Europe is facing.
Szia fellow HUN. The EU will not accept these stupid laws they are introducing right now. Poland has already tried going this way. Create the institutions requested on paper by the EU but not following through with change on the daily basis. They made the paperwork and legislative changes more than a year ago but since they kept going towards a one party state the EU hasn't approved any funds towards them. So from EU point of view there is no hurry. Orbán thinks he can just dance around the subject and he will get away with it but thanks to him doing this in the past 12 years things have changed within the EU and more change is about to come. He managed to achieve the same thing Putin did just on a smaller scale. Orbán wanted a weaker EU but thanks to him vetoing everything the countries want a stronger EU and no veto option. Orbán and Putin are linked together now. They managed to go so deep into a situation there is no positive way out for them. Think of it like they are Hitler and it is 1944. You can't get out. You can go deeper in or you can die. There is no out.
You see I would love for this to be explained more. This channel is great at getting it's information from other news sources and then making a video about one news article they saw. I want proper deep insights into a topic so that when I scroll through the comments on a video I don't feel like I only got half the story.
Get orban out of office and become more of a democracy not autocracy and you will be fine. The power is always within your people you don't want to end up isolated like Russia
So far I've currently understood European rules and such, I'm not sure they have any particular means in trying to keep Hungary from sliding away from Democracy beyond what they are currently doing. To do more they'll have to reform the EU even further one way or the other. Something Hungary will obviously try to resist as well. So it's a difficult situation. I guess in the worst case where sufficient reform turns out to be impossible, the members could decide to create an EU 2.0, and leave Hungary in an empty EU 1.0. Still I imagine the EU will continue to at least make some attempts to help democracy survive in Hungary, but ultimately this will be greatly controlled by the Hungarian people themselves as well.
@Quickshot0 Completely agree, accurate summary! It is a delicate and impossible situation, the EU is not prepared to deal with such a situation, and honestly, it is not its job either to do so. Unfortunately, society in Hungary at the moment is unable to correct missteps of the ruling power. Once society's immune system is disabled, it is hard to get it work again - see North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, etc... - and currently I do not see that it will be able to do so in the near future... On the other hand, Hungary being ousted from the EU can very well mean the end of Fidesz ruling the country, as it would be an economic devastation for the country, standard of living falling dramatically. Just as well it would be a huge loss for German industry to loose a significant manufacturing base & supplier ;)
@@AlexBrucki Maybe because the Hungary government want the fund from EU and Russia gas at the same time? Nothing wrong if you choose the later (Russia), just you wont get the fund from EU. The fund was just being suspended, no cost an arm or leg to Hungary.
@@AlexBrucki I think it's more about how they are trying to play both sides, you can't support Russia and expect money from the other side, it just doesn't make sense
@@AlexBrucki Well Hungary canmake their own decisions but if they violate EU principles they should not get the funding from EU. Its not about Hungary not being allowed to make their own decisions. They totally can, just that they should no longer expect cash. You just cant be declaring your Love for Putin and Russia and still expec other side in the conflict to pay you.
Good. Orban needs to realise: he's either in the EU, or he is not. If he's unsatisfied, he can always go for a Hungrexit and renegotiate a separate deal. But he knows very well that this isn't a good idea.
@@taipizzalord4463 Hungary is part of the EU. You can't betray the union to which you are part of and that allows you to thrive and be the wh0r3 of a country that is an enemy of the EU. Hungary has to choose here. the Eu should actually kick out Hungary. India is not part of the EU so this doesn't apply.
We are seeing the start of the end of the EU, Hungary being pushed to the sidelines, Italy voting in anti EU parties into power and other EU countries at odds with the EU on several different issues. We could finally see the EU either reform (something they have refused for years) or the end of the EU as we know it.
@@jackster2568 pretty hazy at the moment, I'm seeing greek-italian-croatian or Serbian it seems that Russia has forced autocracies to post pone turning fascist
@@jeckjeck3119 Every single country has one form of corruption or another. Same for Canada , USA or elsewhere. Unless you have access to clear cut figures and specific files , you are just singling out the small guy. There is no corruption in Germany, France or Italy? Really?
When any politician, anywhere, comes to power, she/he/it is de facto corrupt because they can now have access to future legislation that could benefit their secret partners (spouses, pals, etc...) in advance. A politician known to be indulging in insider trading is rarely imprisoned, but how about a citizen? Straight to jail. This is why criminals become politicians because they are immune from prosecution, seemingly. The recent Nancy Pelosi scandal with Netflix/Army contract is a fine example of how to double your wealth in a mere 3 weeks
I am still foggy about all this new information, but all i know is that the EU thinks they are punishing the Hungarian government,but they only punish the people as the prices and inflation now are the highest in Europe and the normal people are barley able to survive at this moment
Honestly I saw this coming form a mile away. As a hungarian, I know that the parlament here doesn't want to leave the EU and they priorities money above all else, so they will bend the knee. Orban always been barking but never biting.
Their ideology is corruption, they will scream populist anti-EU scapegoatism while getting rich out of EU money. Same thing in most of the eastern part of the EU
The more things like this happen the more I think the EU should have some kind of mechanism to put member states on probation, like downgrade them and strip of power if they don’t follow EU rules. I’m perfectly aware that Portugal would be at risk of this but it would be the only way to make sure everyone follows the rules
EU rules are terrible: They force member countries to be overrun by illegal immigrants, they assault their traditional and religious culture by forcing LGTBQ corruption on them, etc, etc, etc. I think adoption of corrupt modernist European "cultural values"should not be a EU requirement. Membership should be only a matter of economics, not "cultural values"
" if they don’t follow EU rules." where i seen this... ahhh yes, warsaw pack, communism, if you not follow the mosc... i mean brussel politics then your country will be invad... i mean gets punished, sanctioned, embargoed. thank you for proving why the EU is turning slowly into something we hated for 50+ years.
Meloni is actually pro Ukraine and getting a soft stand on EU while the other two fools are Putin's bots. Their coalition will eventually go downhill in a year or two. Italians have never been satisfied.
FdI are more similar to Polish PiS than to Fidesz. They are allied with PiS in Brussels and they share their hawkish stance on Russia (though I really doubt FdI sincerity on this point and believe it be only a late posture to take some votes from the League).
well, would a new Italian majority be able to reverse the decision? I don't think so it would need a majority in the European parliament (that is not the subject of this Sunday's election) and/or the countries... right now, it would flip at best from 25-2 to 24-3 ... even if a qualified majority is needed, they have spare...
Well it's a democracy, are the people not allowed to choose to be illiberal? Or do are they only allowed to democratically vote for a government that you approve of (which isn't a democracy, but hey whatever)?
@@stephen4121 They can choose to be illiberal, but they have no right whatsoever to impose that on other people. They, or rather the leadership that they elect can't put the State at the service of a political party either. Democracy is a good system to choose administrators. That's what they are. When that happens, fundamental rights and rule of law are threatened, and the very foundations of the system that allows them to believe something, say it and vote for representatives of it are destroyed.
The fact is Hungary would NOT be allowed to join the EU is it wasnt a member already because it does not meet the criteria for membership. Obviously there had to be consequences for Hungary otherwise the whole thing would probably slowly crumble.
@@tellyboy17 Eastern Europe has almost no migrants because they only ever want to move to the richest countries with the largest welfare benefits like Germany, France and Sweden.
Yes. Only Budapest. I enjoyed every second in that beautiful city. Architecture, history, culture, the river, the cusine, wine... Its a gem. I don't like that they are pulled down by Orban and he gets them labeled as "villains of the EU" when the bit I've seen is a flagship european place in every aspect.
@@tellyboy17 There has never been more migrants in Hungary than there is now :D The capital is full of people from asian and african countries working in the offices, we have a chinese district as well. In the countryside the factories are full of people from outside of the country. Asians brought in, turks, latinos, etc. Funny. The government keeps shouting that all migrants are bad yet they are keep importing them XD
Even the brother parties from the European People Party’s (EPP), a faction in the European Parliament, took the decision to eject Orban’s Fidesz party from the group. Whereupon Fidesz left themselves. Orban is just a huge pain for the EU and for democracy.
As a hungarian I'm acutally happy they're finally doing something againts him, but I think only us the civilians will suffer from this, and the gov. won't give really give shit. Edit: I have absolutly no idea how some people got the impression that I support Orban.
Then it will be time you stop voting for his party in the goverment It's not like you have to start a revolution to change govermemt like some other nations, you people can vote them out
@@abobanger9054 The European Union questioned the Hungarian democracy and you are talking about the efficiency of a democratic election? :))) Isn't that contradiction bothering you?
@@balazsszabo3466 so you are basically agreeing with EU that hungaries democracy is a fraud? I mean the person above me said that this action would hurt the common people of hungary and that their goverment wouldn't give a damn about it so my question is why support a goverment that doesn't care about you? My point is, if there is democracy in Hungary they can vote him out, if there is non they can still get him out and estabilish a democracy No nation started as democracy you know
@@humorpalanta 1. What democratic election put Ursula von der Fuhrer in a place where she can dictate which European elections produced valid results and which did not? 2. How were the Hungarian elections not democratic? According to whom?
The moment unanimity falls smaller countries actually have lost all power in the EU. Even now the power is in favour of the big countries. Also bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. Italy has a bigger economy than Austria. The over all life quality in Austria still is far better than in Italy. … still, what Hungary is constantly doing is to much. In some points I am with them and just think the EU wants to go to far. But in most points Hungary is just cherry picking. While developing to a dictatorship. It’s not even that live quality is rising.
No country, big or small should have veto power in an association. If a given country wants more power then join forces with other countries, it's all about negotiations, diplomacy, etc. Veto power ends up being a tool used to avoid compromise, force others, and is often used for internal politics. This ends up affecting the entire EU.
Unanimity can be useful for some things like defense policy. Using it for internal problems like sanctioning member states was a bad idea though, precisely because of what Poland and Hungary have been doing. Also requiring double majorities still hands some power back to smaller countries (even though this is undemocratic by effectively giving citizens of those countries a stronger proportional vote), it just doesn't let individual countries hold the entire bloc to ransom.
And about time!!!! For Hungary, as for Poland, becoming a member of the EU allowed them to get out of the misery in which the USSR left them. In the time of the USSR, they would never have dared! They knew that the Soviet tanks would be there to call them to order (1956). But these two countries do not understand the meaning and the value of democracy. They are not respecting the treaty they signed for their entry into the EU, so get out! No more funds!
They would be much better in the BRICS, that's for sure, Soviet's and Russia are two different things, don't mix the two together. We should know some history, who is who, and what is what. Maybe you don't know, that Hungary depends almost completely on Russian energy, also much cheaper, than from any another Country on earth.
I think it’s a complex issue. On one hand, I think Hungary deserves its punishment for going soft on Russia. On the other hand, it’s concerning to see member states losing their autonomy.
@@tamaszlav also the parents: "you're an adult. If you don't like the house's rules, here is the door. But mommy won't be there to cook and clean your clothes. Also, you will have to subscribe for your own Netflix..."
You imply they have some authority or wisdom over Hungary. Well they don't. They are just more lucky, thats all. If the Soviets would occupy them as well, then they would be little childs to be educated.
As a Hungarian, I'm utterly heartbroken to see videos like this. The EU needs to be tougher with the Hungarian government since Mr Orban's political games are extremely dangerous for the unity of the EU. A PM that tells people "You'd better work more if you want to survive the cost of living crisis" without giving much support to the nation is a morally failed politician who no longer represents the Hungarian people but his own political interests. Hungary was a country with full of potentials even just 12 years ago. What a waste of time, money, and lots of talents (especially young ones) who have already left the country, including myself. The worst is that Hungary manoeuvred itself into a catch 22 situation thanks to the Orban politics that shredded the opposition in the past 12 years. So now we have Mr Orban who no longer serves Hungary's interests, and a completely powerless opposition that's unable to offer alternatives for the Hungarian people. Eventually, I do hope Hungary will get money from the EU since at the end of the day, it is the Hungarian people who'll suffer the most, not Mr Orban. :(
It will just push Hungarians further and further away . followed by Poland, Slovakia, Greece Croatia etc etc .. Brussels needs to get back into its box.
rules and benefits... frankly, if they don't want the rules, they can leave and try their luck without the benefits that come with the rules... It will be easier for the EU to do the most needed reforms before welcoming more peoples in our common house.
It's comical, in the way Soviet Russia was. No EU member state is a fuly functioning democracy. Their scope for democratic government diminishes at every change in EU law.
Wrong actions can get right consequences. By promoting unselective mass migration and transnational corruption, TPTB have set the groundwork for the far right to dismantle the EU. Sweden yesterday, Italy today and the rest tomorrow. Then comes demolition time.
Once America's controlled demolition of Europe's industrial base is complete and Europe becomes 3rd world. Hungarians will beg to leave the EU because there will be zero benefit in exchange for BLM riots and Islamic terrorism.
Are we going to see a potential Hungarexit? They seem pretty incompatible with each other lately and if EU is withholding money the benefits of staying are significantly less.
I predict the EU will fall apart because a major country such as Germany loses its economic power and then fails its obligations. Thanks to the unelected eurocrats.
I have worked with quite a few hungarians last winter and I was very surprised that all of then thought that Putin and Orban are mint guys. Even when the war in Ukraine started. Have they all forgotten their own past??? I don't agree with everything in the EU, but first and foremost it stands for tolerance! We all have the same rights, not just the party faithful!!
EU isn't tolerant, rainbow flags do nothing for my life and cost nothing to be raised. Hungary problem asside, EU does overreach outside the richest countries.
Honestly, Hungary needs to be leashed and fast. Even Poland's (Hungary's big bro peer) ultra-conservative populism is unsavory but is not an extremist and existential threat to the European Union and North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Under far-right extremism, "electoral autocracy", and full-blown cronyism, core democratic values and respect for human rights (principle requirement for NATO AND EU membership) have eroded into dust that is gone with the wind. It is preposterous that Ukraini -- a former USSR nation outside of NATO and EU in an ongoing war -- is a better fit for both the Union and Alliance than Hungary, a member that has signed both Articles of both organizations. The UN has already been reduced to nothing more than a glorified acronym that used to mean something. And the USA once stood for the states who believed in "United we stand, Divided we fall", but now it's a false acronym that masks disunity. But we cannot allow NATO and the EU to be mere acronyms; they are the few political organization that still truly means something. Furthermore, Hungary is complicit in Russia's war in Ukraini by hampering Europe's effort to stand against authoritarianism and to resurrect the spirit of Helsinki. Like George Orwell stated, objectively accurately, "Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other".
Poland was threatened with withdrawal of EU funds a few years ago, it was eventually smoothed over. Nation states leaving the EU is something they will never allow!
_"Nation states leaving the EU is something they will never allow"_ Huh? What do you mean by that? Do you live in an alternative universe where Brexit never happened?
@@frankstrawnation Which is why we need to be stronger towards Hungary, to ensure the freedom and democratic rights of Hungarian citizens and prevent the development towards "slavery".
A hope for a good outcome for this. Most problems can be handwaved away, but corruption and distribution of EU funds should be looked at really closely. Who gets it, what is it spent on? Too much of that money goes into other people's pockets. (but I guess this is also a universal problem)
Britain spends 10 million pounds a day to house refugees. I think Hungary is quite uncorrupt unlike unelected Brussels bureaucrats. btw Ursula Von Der Leyen comes from a rich aristocratic family she hardly cares about common folk unlike her Orban was actually democratically elected.
The EU is totally corrupt and will soon cease to exist. They printed trillions for their cronies and distributed trillions more from the prudent EU countries such as Germany to the fiscally irresponsible south. Uncontrollable inflation is the end of the road.
As a Hungarian person I'm still sad and angry that many people (over 2/3 of the country) vote for the FIDESZ party, thus they can make any laws they want (cuz over 2/3 of votes), I started to think that the FIDESZ party cheat in elections. Let's just hope that we can change the rule of Hungary.
As far as i know, by vote count roughly max 50% of people voted for Orban. Probably less. But the voting system was designed for this being enough for 2/3 of parlament seats.
Well, the worst part that not the 2/3 of the country voted for Fidesz. It "just happens", that our voting system allows such a push. For example, in 2018, the FIDESZ didn't got half of the votes, but had their 133 brave men in parlament.
@@Born782 yeah, the majority rules, but with a 2/3 of the seats, they can do whatever they want. Nobody can object to them. There are no checks and balances, what a normal democracy has GeT EdUcAtEd.
Hungary has somehow similar issues as Russia: citizens just don’t care about politics and let their politicians do what they want with few protests. In those conditions, don’t expect anything but a regime always restraining liberties and generalized corruptions amongst elites. Why would they act differently if nobody says anything ?
No no, you got it backwards. Citizens rally behind and support their leaders******** You decry Hungary an autocratic oppressive society as your government protects the north african invader as he grooms and murders your daughter. You decry corruption as your leaders in Brussels take NGO money and enforce said NGOs objectives onto you. Ursula will lambast countries for "authoritarianism" then threaten countries (i.e Italy) if they vote the "wrong" way
@@odineproci2455 propaganda is not simply lies it is to persuade every advert every argument against lies or for truth is propaganda but I guess you pro autocratic ruzz bots don’t get that
I really hope finally something will be done about our government, it's really frustrating how our country is just getting worse and worse to live in because of a few people in power..
There's something very worrying going on. Some details were leaked by some visitors who contacted Radio Free Europe from the annual speech of Kötcse. The speech was not public. According to Orbán, the Visegrád group could become net contributors to the EU by 2030. I have no idea what this assumption is based upon. But he said if this happens, we'll have to consider the point of being a member. That's the worst possible scenario I could imagine. But among things like planning to sabotage the renewal of the sanctions and planning to govern the country until 2060, there was something even worse... He said the economical role model is China. I don't think I need to explain why this is shocking.
@@mksensej8701 Agreed. It's also a very SHORT-sighted way of looking at things...! Ukraine has tremendous things to offer Europe, like: food-production, energy, minerals, culture, the list goes on and on... if we help them to get back on their feet, it has the potential to be an AMAZING investment.
Being half Hungarian by ancestry, I am completely unsurprised that the EU is having to use their "nuclear option" to make the Hungarian government stop doubling-down on their controversial policies. The "nuclear option" is the only option that ever works with Hungarians -- either you have the ability to _force_ a Hungarian to cooperate, or you don't.
@@tauceti8060 OP is clearly american. That's the only place where people say "im 30% Norwegian!" as like a badge of honour. Actual european-born people fucking hate each other and are honest about it.
@@tauceti8060 Hah, no, it's more than a nationality, it's an ethnic group. We Hungarians call ourselves Magyarorszag, which literally means Nation of Magyars. Magyars were an ancient tribal group, and most Hungarians can trace our genetic/cultural ancestry back as ethnic Magyars. Most nations have a dominant ethnicity, it's the basis for their national identity. That's why you can trace someone's lineage/ancestry. Someone can of course be Half-Hungarian, but that speaks nothing of whether or not they're a citizen.
As a hungarian i can say i feel a bitter happiness for this. All of that money would have gone to the pockets of corrupt officials, but still, from now on they have to raise costs even more to maintain their quality of life, shitting in our necks in the meantime. There are many people gere who know something has to change, but if anyone dares to speak up the state propaganda crushes down on them, and the people had been brainwashed for 12 years now, making the situation quite orwellian. A huge chunk of the population thinks now, that in "the West" it is mandatory in kindergartens to push gay propaganda for the kids and that governments prohibit you from heating up your own house. And media just says: "look there, how shit is their life, they are jealous of us. If you would have elected that other guy Gyurcsány, you would be in the same trouble. Also if you have a bit pricier gas bill, its only thanks to Gyurcsány, just don't think about the fact that last he held any power was in 2006, he did all this with help from Soros"
@@alered1605 while this is indeed true, i am sure there are no parents from western countries who one day went to kindergarten for their 6 years old son only to find out he was kidnapped by the teacher and had a trans surgery that day. And this is what they implied in their program. They never said it explicitly but this is the picture people got in their heads from their words.
I think the whole idea of having a rule making and law passing international body comprised of many different countries requiring unanimity to do anything is just ridiculous. We don´t just see that right now with Hungary in the EU but also with Russia in the UN. It just takes one rotten apple in one of those countries to derail the whole thing because of the veto right. Either get rid of the veto right and implement something like the qualified majority vote thing, or stop making these international bodies of cooperation.
All permament Un council are rotten appled the big five especially these 3 usa,russia,china uses veto to their own benefit a lot un security council is awfull for other countries because it was made when the world had 2 "empires" USA and soviet union
The membership criteria were well known by Hungary. When a country is a net beneficiary of European funds, it must all the more respect the rules of the European Union. It does not tolerate any autocratic regime among its members. The Copenhagen European Council in December 1993 established the following three criteria: Political criterion: stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, respect for minorities and their protection; Economic criterion: viable market economy capable of coping with market forces and competitive pressure within the Union; Acquis of the European Union: ability to assume the obligations of membership, and in particular to subscribe to the objectives of political, economic and monetary union. The 4th specified in 2006 Capacity for integration: capacity of the Union to assimilate new members and deepen integration. It implies that the country's accession is compatible with the efficient functioning of the institutions and the decision-making procedures of the Union, and does not call into question the common policies and their financing. Unlike the others, this criterion therefore does not depend on the candidate country for membership but on the EU.
Why would one country farm out their legislative process to other countries? Sounds like a recipe for conflict. Especially since “European Values” is a bit of a slippery standard. Can “European Values” change? What voice does a country of 10-15 million people have in regard to defining and redefining “European Values? Almost none, right?
Enforcing your rules is important for any organization lest it falls apart. If the Hungarian state cares so much about Russia, those backstabbers can go back to their masters in Moscow if they really missed the days of the Warsaw Pact.
@DoubtingThomas Err no. If you take severe action against one country for corruption, but do nothing against others who are just as guilty, the correct word is ...... discrimination!
EU"s views are not always fair. When France had that huge protest against their Government and people were getting severely injured EU didn't do nothing. But they sure love to punish eastern central European countries for stupid things. But I don't agree with Hungary giving Russia support during their war with Ukraine.
No one forced any country to join the EU, did they? And those who choice to join know full well how it is like in the EU. Don't join, and then complain about the EU bosses.
@@huaiwei erm no the EU has changed over the years. Also might be alien concept to you, but there is thing where people are allowed to have different opinions and not have to be mindless drones. Shocking I know.
@@stephen4121 People also have the right to whole lot of other things, like a representative government, an impartial justice system and not being discriminated against based on their religion, ethnicity, gender sexuality etc. You can't be yelling about "opinion" when you're actively going against the EU's founding principles. And yes, our understading of some of those principles has evolved over time, as it bloody well should.
@@stephen4121 and no one forces any country not to leave if you think the terms for admission has changed over the years, as the UK has done. What has that got to do with mindless drones and my views about diverse opinions, when I am simply reminding you that when you make agreements and sign contracts, you stick to them if you wish to remain committed, or else leave. Amusing that some people think it is acceptable to tear up agreements simply because of "diverse views". Did you also tear up bank loan agreements because you suddenly insisted you are not a drone and are no longer obligated to repay because you reserve the right to have a different opinion about the loan? 🤣
God damn finally. Very glad that the EU has finally grown the balls to say "the EU is a cooperation. If you don't want to cooperate, then you don't have to be part of it."
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There is a way to kick Hungary out of the EU,even tho it's highly unlikely it would occur and might endanger the very existence of the EU in the process. In theory, all EU member states apart from Hungary (maybe Poland as well) could ratify a new treaty to invoke article 50 and create an EU clone simultaneously,transfering all assets and institutions from the old EU to the new one, leaving Hungary in the old chat group alone. This idea was initially brought up by Dutch PM during EU Covid recovery Fund discussion when Poland and Hungary threaten to veto the attached rule of law clause.
@@whitezombie10 that means changing the treaty and that take years it would need approval from all EU member state including Hungary and Poland so that’s not happening
@@redhammer9910 I think you pointed out a vital issue here. I would describe myself as a federalist, but even to me, the chance of former eastern bloc states would easily hand out their core sovereignty such as finance and taxation for further EU integration, to solve fundamental flaws of the euro project, looks dimmer than the chance of Turkey joining the EU. But the non-aligned movement achieved very little in the history of the cold war. Almost everyone ended up having a very clear alignment in practice after the initial hype. Just like NAM, former Eastern Bloc states don't share a solid ideological base, and their economic size would never be even close to pushing those countries together and making a coherent political unit without relying on other powerhouses. Organizationally, if the former eastern bloc states are so disgusted by the idea of further integration into the EU, no meaningful cooperation would ever occur between them. It will stay as a purely symbolic and ceremonial movement for the sake of press releases. I would argue that at the end of the day, when the next major crisis hits Europe, the former eastern states would soon face a choice between either having no sovereignty at all as small countries and fighting alone in the new cold war or choosing the unideal but negotiable partner which is EU.
that's exactly what I was thinking about NATO when Turkey and Hungary were blocking Finland and Sweden joining NATO... simply create a NATO clone, transfers most of the assets but don't let the blocker join the clone before Finland and Sweden are in, and voilà...
Scrapping unanimity completely gives all the power to Germany and France... which can sway over half of countries without even lifting a finger... very dangerous for any type of Union.... This is not the kind of reforms peoples ask , specially the ones from the center and east. I get that Hungary is sometimes a problem but lets not over-do it or it will cause people harm as their voices will be irrelevant and lots of negative emotions will be coming your way. In case you dont really care about those people it will backfire in a few years .
nope, it goes back to qualified majority (66% of the members, I believe) which still need major compromises to get anything going. It just permit to bypass the one and only petulant child that feel entitled... if the opposition is large enough, it doesn't pass and mean there is need for more negotiation and compromises, meaning the so called "little countries" can get some additional benefits in exchange of their agreement when they're reluctant.
@@kolerick Yea it could be worse... like 50% . But then again this could still be bad in regional problems or cultural problems. Remains to be seen how this gets abused.
@@L2Xenta well... abuses exist... Hungary and Poland proved that. It's the duty of the elected members of the EU parliament to prevent abuses. It's the duty of the elected in their own country ministers that form the EU commission to prevent abuses... the bureaucrates are only civil servants that apply the laws and rules voted by elected members... like each county civil servants do with their own country rules and laws...
@@kolerick EU should first fix the loopholes abused by political activist billionaires like Soros and their friends at the World Economic Forum... if they want to give the appearance of EU reforms... Or they will leave the impression that protecting these interests its what this is really about if they target multiple non ultra-progressive countries from the East. One could also think this is about finding an answer to the eventual cooperation of the 3 seas group aka Intermarium. Only time will tell... But the EU bureaucrats better not think ppl in these parts are stupid and go along with whatever crap gets discussed at World Economic Forum...
The whole world is breaking up, isn't up? We're all dividing, piece by piece to hunker down under the illusion the we can take care of our own without outside help/trade etc. We can't afford all this conflict! Millions upon millions will suffer and pay the price for it.
To be honest , if Hungary isn’t going to play ball with the requirements of being in the union , then it’s better off out. Despite orban publicly attacking the ussr when as a student when hungary was under occupation , he seems to be wanting Hungary having closer relations to Russia . Let them , if that’s what the Hungarians want . Give the opportunity for Ukraine , Moldova and Georgia to enter instead (countries who actually want to be there)
Ok, so the Hungarian people, democratically, elected someone who represents them and how the democracy based EU responds? By sanctioning them? What the hell?
Hungary is in a club. The club has rules. Hungary doesnt follow the rules but expects to recieve the benefits anyway. The club says no. Follow the rules or leave the club. What is so fucking difficult to understand about that? If they dont like it then FUCKING. LEAVE. THE. CLUB.
Fidesz tricked people into voting for them by silencing press and misinfo. Not a healthy democracy. It would be as if I would say all Leonardos are going to oppress Hungarians, vote for me and I'll protect them from those vicious beings. Everyone who is saying that I make things up, I'll silence.
Mind Begs the Question: NATO,Corporates capable to Boycott Russia over Ukraine/Forced Dollar NATO,Corporates not capable to Boycott China over Concentration Camps?
Your volume controls during all your individual bulletins are ropeable and make it very unpleasant to listen to them. It would be nice if you could fix it, either by recording modulation or playback modulation, so that your listeners don't have keep their fingers on their own volume controls, PLEASE!!!
You should have mentioned the problems Hungary has with Poland right now. The traditional best friends are really in a situation due to Hungary's Russia business. Poland is pissed.
None gives a shit about russia. Our realations doesn’t change just because Poland acts like a mad dog over russia.
Pissed more like PiSed AMIRITE
Don't worry, polish leaders are spineless enough to still support the hungarian autocrat. If something can be used to fight Germany or EU in general, polish leadership will use it. Especially now, as Poland is entering its electoral period and the ruling party is looking for imaginary enemies to fight off
@@philardo I thought literally that
Poland hates Russia. Hungary does not hate anyone. Hungarians are a forgiving people. We can only forgive someone who constantly attacks us.
Hungary can’t play it both ways and get rewarded for it. If Hungary doesn’t change then I can see the EU just making things difficult for Hungary in the hopes they eventually leave the union.
Best result would be to get orban to leave and get someone decent to replace him, but as an italian i barely have any hope that will happen in my country so yeah... hungarexit it is
I predict, soon a lot more will consider leaving than Hungary. The recent Putin fiasco has slowed down the dissolution a bit, but it's only a matter of time. EU is run by pretentious weaklings who impose their ideology on all the members.
@@no_name4796 Brothers of Italy have the same mindset as Orban.
how the f Hungary supposed to replace russian fuel?
@@evilmex1962 there are many alternatives, just easier to buy cheap Russian oil.
As a Hungarian I'm happy with this, EU money has been one of the key factors in Orban becoming so powerful, he's effectively in control of where it gets spent. He isn't nearly as popular as it might seem, he just shovels money places and buys support.
I'm unhappy by the amount. 3 billion has been circling in news outlets and it seems it will be reduced to 0 in exchange for a few pretend policy changes. I suspect that at most the 3 billion will stay which is enough to get the EU parliament of the Commission's ass and keep Orbán pointing at the "evil EU bureaucrats" while not enough to make a serious dent in their blatant money stealing.
I'm not happy with this, I hope Orban can arrange so you don't get that money but I get the rest. If this is corrupt, well I'm still okay with it.
@@coderentity2079
As a Hungarian, Orbán is the most corrupt leader in the EU.
I'm very happy too that the government won't get EU funds now, and cracks will start to show just how much the elite stole in the last 6 years.
Thanks to people like you your country is so poor and doesn't progress. 😪
@@coderentity2079 i don't think you matter
Good video. But I think Article 7 still is an option. Poland does not support Hungary's stance on the war in Ukraine and is a strong critic of Orban's latest antics. I think there are cracks in the relationship and I feel the EU could lobby Poland to agree to Article 7. Especially, if the EU were to cut Poland some slack regarding the COVID recovery fund payments (Which the EU already has).
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It's a short sighted look. EU doesn't like Poland any more either. If Hungary goes who'll protect Poland from Article 7?
Yes but Poland know if it allows article 7 on Hungary then no country will stop the EU from using article 7 on it.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 Exactly
Thats the reason poland will never support article 7 against Hungary
Orban is not stupid. He will push it to the limit, but he is well aware that he shouldn't push as far to be kicked out of the EU.
I am starting to wonder about that. Sooner or later, even clever autocrats make big mistakes. Look at Putin or Erdogan, or Xi. I am starting to think that the real benefit or democracy is to prevent anyone to sit in power so long as they can mess up big time.
Obviously not because this crp after russian mobilisation is right over the limit and now Hungary should be kicked out!
There is no mechanism to kick out a country.
Is that a bad thing, the EU is a struggling entity now, a currency artificially propped up, trillions in dead bonds, economic turmoil across its members and powers and sovereignty been taken from everyone to fuel the EU's goal of empirical dictatorship.
yeah...they said that about putin too remember? TIME AND TIME again....and then this. You forget that hungary is on its way to AUTOCRACY for almost the same amount of time as russia...and more importantly STILL orban remains in power. Meaning there is a LARGE OVERWHELMING portion of the Population that actually LIKE how he styles himself as the EU Putin. And just like the russians gave him power...and what are THEY gonna do when he uses it now?...yeah...the same thing as the russians. Look on in awe as their leader literally brings them and the rest on the brink of nuclear holcaust, trying to convince anyone willing to listen HE is the one getting forced to do this. And just like in russia there will be millions that believe him in hungary too. Even if they know its a lie...theyre still going to advocate as if it were not.
No mention of the impact the Ukraine war has had on Poland and Hungarys relationship? I don't know much of their relationship but it's interesting that they are probably the most pro Ukraine and pro russian EU states respectively, must be hard for Poland to see a future in their arrangement
but again Poland have no right to mess with Hungary's opinion, Hungary can stay neutral etc in the conflict by their wish, countries dont fk**g need to choose sides in stuff, like bruh just bruh
@@adriannn1180 Poland well remembers that when Ukriane fell to the soviets Polands days of independence were numbered.
Thinking longterm min. IQ 100 is required and bigger (than Hungary) problems are
coming to some lecturers.
During WW2 Poland chose to oppose the Germans, and Hungary chose to side with them. In the end, both got roughed up by both the German Empire and the USSR as well. There simply turned out to be no good choice for anyone in Central Europe. I am afraid history rhymes, and we are in exactly the same spot now between the EU and Russia; because in the end, make no mistake, both sides would destroy both Hungary and Poland over and over again in a heartbeat for their own interests, but even on opposing sides, the Poles and Huns will be there beside one another. This is where the Polish-Hungarian friendship spurs from.
... of their own making
Ah yes, reaping the benefits of European Union and NOT following the rules. Punishments are definitely needed.
Ah yes, when a democratic country doesnt vote your way so you have to sanction them
eu rules be like:
1. elect Ursula who didn't saw threat in nord stream 2
2. keep buying russian oil because "otherwise price will be higher"
3. Spending 300 billions on renewebles, which will be made in China with materials from Russia
4. Orban won elections because of corruption, not because left opposition united with right
5. Poland must share their gas with Germany.
6. Norway must sell gas cheaper despite they are not even part of EU
7. Lithuania must close their nuclear plant and pay for electricity 10x times more
8. Ukraine have status of canditate but we can't allow them in because we can't piss off Turkey.
9. No decision about visas for russians: we want their workers but also want them overthrown Putin. Dylemma
This way it's the other way around, the EU gets the benefits of having Hungary in it so the big nations can exploit it's economy without Hungary having a choice in the matter and they don't even pay their dues for it.
What f rules?? made up by unelected far leftist ( closet marxists ) bureaucrats.. lol f them and their rules.
We all saw it with covid... the ELITE who made up the rules did not follow them themselves.
So f them and f any brainwashed sheep who believes that nonsense.
You are a citizen in orwell's 1984 and not understanding how brainwashed you are.
I agree. EU should impose rules. But I dissagree with this approach. I prefer the Putin approach. Roll with tanks in their capital and make them submit. Only then I will respect the EU lol.
Hungarian here: it was a win-win for Orban. If they get the money "We get the money we are so awesome, celebrate us"
if they don't "your problems are happening due to the European union, here, we protect you by fighting with the eu"
But at the same time it will make him unpopular because people will want change: somebody stronger, somebody that can stand up to the "evil Brussel regime urr durr", somebody that can protect them during these harsh times. But I think the opposition in hungary is pretty lackluster, isn't it?
@Esphaeras Praestans Despite it's institutional shortcomings, Hungary's economy is doing just fine for now.
Yeah sadly it helps push Orbans narrative but I don’t think it will convince a lot of people. A majority of the country hates him, and doesn’t believe him anyways
@OddPotato Nah not really. German here. Sure Gas Prices hit hard but atleast at home I dont need to heat. The Winters are not cold in northern Germany we do not live in Siberia.
German problem is a general problem. The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
@OddPotato "xD"
And when wealthy countries go into recession, they can't affort to pay the less wealthy countries their helping funds.
So in the long run, Hungary is more fucked. Because they will get back to the first world status rather quick, but the rest (especially a country that is known for being a thorn in the eye) will have a hard time for longer. Germany and the others will get hit hard but "short".
It's so sad seeing my country going down this path. Hungary has always choosen the wrong side in history, we sadly just don't learn. Only way to change the minds of our leaders is threathening their moneysupply.
Hungary needs leadership replacement and Martial Law to catch all the Z warriors.
@@yurichtube1162 Back your argument with facts, or don't speak.
@@yurichtube1162 Putin is a losing power, beside the mass mobilisation means his troops lost in the battlefield are higher than most of the analysis expected.
We can divert are oil from Russia to Algeria throught Spain. But Russia under Putin only able to export raw material and cant produce signification production due to the oligarchy corruption.
@@yurichtube1162 Yeah, EU is finished.... Finished dealing with Hungary and it's corrupt government
@@yurichtube1162 ah funny to see you again. My good old bold claims no proof man not nice to see you again
As a person from Hungary, I'm really happy about it. Most it would go right into the leadership's pockets or be spent on hatemongering campaigns, now at least they will need to skip a few trips to Hawaii to pay for it and revaluate if they'd prefer to cooperate with the EU.. which would most likely better the lives of Hungarians in the future more than those $7.5 billion.
I hope this works in a good way and ends up helping hungarians too just like you said very soon
It actually sucks to have to do this
@@abobanger9054 Thank you for standing by us! Actually the fact that the EU said it out loud that Hungary is an Electoral Autocracy is extremely important for many of us.
We've been saying it for years as they were poisoning the everage citizen's mind with wicked propaganda, but hearing the EU say it out as well gives so much hope.
Lmao “hatemongering campaigns” thats what the EU wages on countries that refuse to submit to mass immigration quotas.
The problem is that they could just take the money from citizens through more taxes... I hope it doesn't happen. Good luck
@@whitezombie10 Don't worry, the Russian liberators will soom help them.
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I do think this is good idea, you can't just allow EU members to benefit without following the rules. I mean that's kinda the point of being in a agreement. EU is founded on common values, if you want to be part of EU, you should follow those. I do have to say, in future EU needs to be more strict on reforms on how government works on new countries joining in.
Fuck EU values.
Every country has its own values and doesn’t have to become a multicultural society with gun crime because the globalist eu members want it like that 😊
Exactly, they have treated the uk far stricter so about time.
@Ecard Ecardian Sure, it can't. But it's also not obligated to entertain countries not playing by EU rules. Rules they have agreed on lol
Hungary should accept the transexual dictatorship
one of the few positive things this entire conflict has done is finally breaking up the bloc that made Poland and Hungary basically unpunishable.
Nothing has broken up we're still best friends but we respectfully disagree with each other on this topic
@@barteksz932 and poland is not defending hungary on this point either. which is all that matters to me.
@@barteksz932 respectfully disagree over the topic of genocide.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 stop manipulating words. We are disagreeing over sanctions as Hungary unlike Poland is a landlocked country and it's considerably harder for them to import gas from abroad. Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people-usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group-in whole or in part so the last genocide I remember on these lands was the Wołyń massacre.
@@barteksz932 Those weren't mass graves of Ukrainian civilians that were found when the Russian lines were pushed back then?
As a Ukrainian, it’s heartwarming seeing such behaviour not being tolerated. Perhaps this would lead to better democracy practices later on.
Dont worry, when Ukraine is under Russian rule again, im surethey wont tolerate certain behaviours too. 👍
Hungary is more happy to leave out that 7.5 Billion US dollar than becoming a warmongering hate member.
F democracy
Agreed, I love the EU for its rule of law component
There's no democracy.
As a Pole, I am ashamed of our government's actions and want to apologise for the troubles we are causing because of them. We simply need to get rid of PiS to return to a functional state. And as a side note, even their devout voters are PISSED that the government still supports hungary, even when Orban is so openly pro-putin. I think their days are (at long last) numbered.
@Niebo Ty jesteś zdrajcą języka polskiego jak mniemam.
I'm the same.
Hi Guys,
Hungarian citizen here, let me just share my thoughts. I am a bit disappointed that the video dugs really deep on the theoretical background of the disputes and the mechanisms currently ongoing to keep Hungary in check, but it does not address the two essential aspects of this issue.
1.) Currently most likely resolution of the conflict (now communicated by Comission as well): Hungary put down a really complex legislation package to settle the argument. If Hungary introduces into legislation the full package, then all "sanctions" will be lifted for the 2021-27 EU funds. The two main problems with this package are: 1. Hungary is not joining the European Public Prosecutor’s Office, which is an established europen institute with authority to conduct investigations, and is completely independent of Hungarian government. 2. The package is made extremely complicated without straightforward authority, and heavily depends on other govermnet institutions to have real effect. -> this is a major problem, as by now, all goverment institutions are controlled by the ruling political party.
2.) There is absolutely no sign of change of mind of the goverment to divert from the autocratic attitude, and in my eyes, this totally undermines the seriousness of any measure defined by the government itself. This is apparent from recent news: judges are appointed under political influence during the summer (also breaching hungarian laws without any consequence!), strike rights of teachers are narrowed down to a point that they can not effectively strike anymore, multiple times vetoing EU foreign affair policies in favour of Russia. Also, the very principle of the ruling party is, that there is no balance of power and checks challenging the party, the only check of power can come from within the party itself. Accepting such a legislation that is against this principle simly does not fit the current system.
To sum it up, this video is doing just the same as EU institutions, highlighting just foggy, theoretical issues, and as a result, not dealing with the underlying real problems, which results in no real affect on the decline of democracy in Hungary.
Now the decision lies in the hands of the Council and to some extent the EP, so I am keen to see if those bodies are brave enough to push the issue of Hungarian democracy in the current extreme situation Europe is facing.
Szia fellow HUN. The EU will not accept these stupid laws they are introducing right now. Poland has already tried going this way. Create the institutions requested on paper by the EU but not following through with change on the daily basis. They made the paperwork and legislative changes more than a year ago but since they kept going towards a one party state the EU hasn't approved any funds towards them. So from EU point of view there is no hurry. Orbán thinks he can just dance around the subject and he will get away with it but thanks to him doing this in the past 12 years things have changed within the EU and more change is about to come. He managed to achieve the same thing Putin did just on a smaller scale. Orbán wanted a weaker EU but thanks to him vetoing everything the countries want a stronger EU and no veto option. Orbán and Putin are linked together now. They managed to go so deep into a situation there is no positive way out for them. Think of it like they are Hitler and it is 1944. You can't get out. You can go deeper in or you can die. There is no out.
You see I would love for this to be explained more. This channel is great at getting it's information from other news sources and then making a video about one news article they saw. I want proper deep insights into a topic so that when I scroll through the comments on a video I don't feel like I only got half the story.
Get orban out of office and become more of a democracy not autocracy and you will be fine. The power is always within your people you don't want to end up isolated like Russia
So far I've currently understood European rules and such, I'm not sure they have any particular means in trying to keep Hungary from sliding away from Democracy beyond what they are currently doing. To do more they'll have to reform the EU even further one way or the other. Something Hungary will obviously try to resist as well. So it's a difficult situation.
I guess in the worst case where sufficient reform turns out to be impossible, the members could decide to create an EU 2.0, and leave Hungary in an empty EU 1.0.
Still I imagine the EU will continue to at least make some attempts to help democracy survive in Hungary, but ultimately this will be greatly controlled by the Hungarian people themselves as well.
@Quickshot0 Completely agree, accurate summary! It is a delicate and impossible situation, the EU is not prepared to deal with such a situation, and honestly, it is not its job either to do so. Unfortunately, society in Hungary at the moment is unable to correct missteps of the ruling power. Once society's immune system is disabled, it is hard to get it work again - see North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, etc... - and currently I do not see that it will be able to do so in the near future... On the other hand, Hungary being ousted from the EU can very well mean the end of Fidesz ruling the country, as it would be an economic devastation for the country, standard of living falling dramatically. Just as well it would be a huge loss for German industry to loose a significant manufacturing base & supplier ;)
its about time something happened with this problem but the unanimity problem remains i really hope they get rid of it its the cause of so many issues
Let them be examples to other eu nations who will want to violate the sanctions of Russia
Yes how dare the people of a small country make decisions that people from other more wealthy countries disagree with.
Violate sanctions Hungary themselves proposed? Voted for?
Or EU sets foreign policy?
@@AlexBrucki Maybe because the Hungary government want the fund from EU and Russia gas at the same time? Nothing wrong if you choose the later (Russia), just you wont get the fund from EU.
The fund was just being suspended, no cost an arm or leg to Hungary.
@@AlexBrucki I think it's more about how they are trying to play both sides, you can't support Russia and expect money from the other side, it just doesn't make sense
@@AlexBrucki Well Hungary canmake their own decisions but if they violate EU principles they should not get the funding from EU. Its not about Hungary not being allowed to make their own decisions. They totally can, just that they should no longer expect cash. You just cant be declaring your Love for Putin and Russia and still expec other side in the conflict to pay you.
Good. Orban needs to realise: he's either in the EU, or he is not. If he's unsatisfied, he can always go for a Hungrexit and renegotiate a separate deal. But he knows very well that this isn't a good idea.
hungrexit🤣
and the Hungrexit lead to the Hungre-games?
Good. Kick them out
Hungary has to suffer for its treachery. Choose between Russia and the EU.
@Anarcho-Wafflist Shut up.
Why should it be one or another? Tell that to China or India. This 'if you are not with me you're against me' is infantile diplomacy.
they like the russian authoritarianism but they love getting that EU moolah.
Honestly just getting rid of Orbán would make a huge difference already.
@@taipizzalord4463 Hungary is part of the EU. You can't betray the union to which you are part of and that allows you to thrive and be the wh0r3 of a country that is an enemy of the EU. Hungary has to choose here. the Eu should actually kick out Hungary. India is not part of the EU so this doesn't apply.
@@taipizzalord4463 China and India doesn't get the billions of funds from EU, however, Hungary does.
We are seeing the start of the end of the EU, Hungary being pushed to the sidelines, Italy voting in anti EU parties into power and other EU countries at odds with the EU on several different issues. We could finally see the EU either reform (something they have refused for years) or the end of the EU as we know it.
Are you Hungarian?🙂
Ah, the newest member of the autocratic states club coming right to your eu neighborhood in 2022!
And Poland
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 yeah definitely, any more political foretelling with that crystal ball of yours?
@@jackster2568 pretty hazy at the moment, I'm seeing greek-italian-croatian or Serbian it seems that Russia has forced autocracies to post pone turning fascist
don't call it a "sanction", it's just literally not paying them to break the rules
which specific rules, exactly?
@@tszirmay Rule of law. Dummie.
@@tszirmay
Corruption ones.
@@jeckjeck3119 Every single country has one form of corruption or another. Same for Canada , USA or elsewhere. Unless you have access to clear cut figures and specific files , you are just singling out the small guy. There is no corruption in Germany, France or Italy? Really?
When any politician, anywhere, comes to power, she/he/it is de facto corrupt because they can now have access to future legislation that could benefit their secret partners (spouses, pals, etc...) in advance. A politician known to be indulging in insider trading is rarely imprisoned, but how about a citizen? Straight to jail. This is why criminals become politicians because they are immune from prosecution, seemingly. The recent Nancy Pelosi scandal with Netflix/Army contract is a fine example of how to double your wealth in a mere 3 weeks
I am still foggy about all this new information, but all i know is that the EU thinks they are punishing the Hungarian government,but they only punish the people as the prices and inflation now are the highest in Europe and the normal people are barley able to survive at this moment
EU was just angry due to Hungary's ties to Russia. Pres. Orban truly is taking care first of his citizens.
Honestly I saw this coming form a mile away. As a hungarian, I know that the parlament here doesn't want to leave the EU and they priorities money above all else, so they will bend the knee. Orban always been barking but never biting.
Their ideology is corruption, they will scream populist anti-EU scapegoatism while getting rich out of EU money. Same thing in most of the eastern part of the EU
Unfortunately this barking game will cost very much for citizens
If you exit, Britain is happy to trade with you, as will Switzerland & Norway and the rest of the world.
@@disposabull they leave their economy will be a shambles just look at your country post brexit sick man of Europe again.
@@disposabull the rest of the despotic world. Say good bye to a middle class when you accept Jewish, I mean US/UK trade deals.
The more things like this happen the more I think the EU should have some kind of mechanism to put member states on probation, like downgrade them and strip of power if they don’t follow EU rules.
I’m perfectly aware that Portugal would be at risk of this but it would be the only way to make sure everyone follows the rules
EU rules are terrible: They force member countries to be overrun by illegal immigrants, they assault their traditional and religious culture by forcing LGTBQ corruption on them, etc, etc, etc. I think adoption of corrupt modernist European "cultural values"should not be a EU requirement. Membership should be only a matter of economics, not "cultural values"
" if they don’t follow EU rules."
where i seen this... ahhh yes, warsaw pack, communism, if you not follow the mosc... i mean brussel politics then your country will be invad... i mean gets punished, sanctioned, embargoed.
thank you for proving why the EU is turning slowly into something we hated for 50+ years.
Let's see how this rolls after the Italian election results tomorrow.
Meloni is actually pro Ukraine and getting a soft stand on EU while the other two fools are Putin's bots. Their coalition will eventually go downhill in a year or two. Italians have never been satisfied.
FdI are more similar to Polish PiS than to Fidesz. They are allied with PiS in Brussels and they share their hawkish stance on Russia (though I really doubt FdI sincerity on this point and believe it be only a late posture to take some votes from the League).
well, would a new Italian majority be able to reverse the decision? I don't think so
it would need a majority in the European parliament (that is not the subject of this Sunday's election) and/or the countries... right now, it would flip at best from 25-2 to 24-3 ... even if a qualified majority is needed, they have spare...
Cant believe they let Greece, and Hungary in the EU, but left out Turkey. Big mistake. Turkey would be much better for the economy of Europe
At last the EU lost its patience with Orban and his illiberal democracy. Also with his Russian duplicity and lack of solidarity!
Well it's a democracy, are the people not allowed to choose to be illiberal?
Or do are they only allowed to democratically vote for a government that you approve of (which isn't a democracy, but hey whatever)?
@@stephen4121 They can choose to be illiberal, but they have no right whatsoever to impose that on other people.
They, or rather the leadership that they elect can't put the State at the service of a political party either. Democracy is a good system to choose administrators. That's what they are.
When that happens, fundamental rights and rule of law are threatened, and the very foundations of the system that allows them to believe something, say it and vote for representatives of it are destroyed.
The fact is Hungary would NOT be allowed to join the EU is it wasnt a member already because it does not meet the criteria for membership.
Obviously there had to be consequences for Hungary otherwise the whole thing would probably slowly crumble.
Yet people think Ukraine should join the EU!!!!!
@@rosemaryspiota9836 Yeah that's crazy too; Ukraine should join NATO but not the EU(yet)
Poland be like: "Wtf bro"
By the way Hungary is a lovely country, have you guys been?
Not many migrants?
@@tellyboy17 Eastern Europe has almost no migrants because they only ever want to move to the richest countries with the largest welfare benefits like Germany, France and Sweden.
@@tellyboy17 Quite a few Chinese - they run the corner shops.
Yes. Only Budapest. I enjoyed every second in that beautiful city. Architecture, history, culture, the river, the cusine, wine... Its a gem.
I don't like that they are pulled down by Orban and he gets them labeled as "villains of the EU" when the bit I've seen is a flagship european place in every aspect.
@@tellyboy17 There has never been more migrants in Hungary than there is now :D The capital is full of people from asian and african countries working in the offices, we have a chinese district as well. In the countryside the factories are full of people from outside of the country. Asians brought in, turks, latinos, etc. Funny. The government keeps shouting that all migrants are bad yet they are keep importing them XD
Throw them out of EU
Even the brother parties from the European People Party’s (EPP), a faction in the European Parliament, took the decision to eject Orban’s Fidesz party from the group. Whereupon Fidesz left themselves.
Orban is just a huge pain for the EU and for democracy.
As a hungarian I'm acutally happy they're finally doing something againts him, but I think only us the civilians will suffer from this, and the gov. won't give really give shit.
Edit: I have absolutly no idea how some people got the impression that I support Orban.
Then it will be time you stop voting for his party in the goverment
It's not like you have to start a revolution to change govermemt like some other nations, you people can vote them out
The day he won the election the war haven't started. I believe he might need to change his stand if he still want to win the election.
About time the Hungarian people get out on the streets and force a new election or at the very least deposing orban.
@@abobanger9054 The European Union questioned the Hungarian democracy and you are talking about the efficiency of a democratic election? :))) Isn't that contradiction bothering you?
@@balazsszabo3466 so you are basically agreeing with EU that hungaries democracy is a fraud? I mean the person above me said that this action would hurt the common people of hungary and that their goverment wouldn't give a damn about it so my question is why support a goverment that doesn't care about you?
My point is, if there is democracy in Hungary they can vote him out, if there is non they can still get him out and estabilish a democracy
No nation started as democracy you know
Let them stay, just block ALL EU payments until Orban gets lost...
Why is it that you believe that Hungary should not be allowed to chose their own leader. I thought the EU was democratic.
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda The EU is democratic, Orbán is not. The last 2 elections were not democratic elections.
@@humorpalanta
1. What democratic election put Ursula von der Fuhrer in a place where she can dictate which European elections produced valid results and which did not?
2. How were the Hungarian elections not democratic? According to whom?
@@thegrandmuftiofwakanda 1: You are a moron, right? :D
2: Google is your friend.
The moment unanimity falls smaller countries actually have lost all power in the EU. Even now the power is in favour of the big countries. Also bigger doesn’t necessarily
mean better. Italy has a bigger economy than Austria. The over all life quality in Austria still is far better than in Italy. … still, what Hungary is constantly doing is to much. In some points I am with them and just think the EU wants to go to far. But in most points Hungary is just cherry picking. While developing to a dictatorship. It’s not even that live quality is rising.
No country, big or small should have veto power in an association. If a given country wants more power then join forces with other countries, it's all about negotiations, diplomacy, etc. Veto power ends up being a tool used to avoid compromise, force others, and is often used for internal politics. This ends up affecting the entire EU.
Unanimity can be useful for some things like defense policy. Using it for internal problems like sanctioning member states was a bad idea though, precisely because of what Poland and Hungary have been doing.
Also requiring double majorities still hands some power back to smaller countries (even though this is undemocratic by effectively giving citizens of those countries a stronger proportional vote), it just doesn't let individual countries hold the entire bloc to ransom.
And about time!!!! For Hungary, as for Poland, becoming a member of the EU allowed them to get out of the misery in which the USSR left them. In the time of the USSR, they would never have dared! They knew that the Soviet tanks would be there to call them to order (1956). But these two countries do not understand the meaning and the value of democracy. They are not respecting the treaty they signed for their entry into the EU, so get out! No more funds!
They would be much better in the BRICS, that's for sure, Soviet's and Russia are two different things, don't mix the two together. We should know some history, who is who, and what is what. Maybe you don't know, that Hungary depends almost completely on Russian energy, also much cheaper, than from any another Country on earth.
I think it’s a complex issue. On one hand, I think Hungary deserves its punishment for going soft on Russia. On the other hand, it’s concerning to see member states losing their autonomy.
Hungary is like that annoying little brother who keeps doing exactly the opposite of what parents tell him to do
I've seen some very very stupid parents.
And here lies the beautiful wester hipocracy. "How dare you not doing what you're told!"
@@tamaszlav also the parents: "you're an adult. If you don't like the house's rules, here is the door. But mommy won't be there to cook and clean your clothes. Also, you will have to subscribe for your own Netflix..."
@@Szaboo92 Well said !!!!
You imply they have some authority or wisdom over Hungary. Well they don't. They are just more lucky, thats all. If the Soviets would occupy them as well, then they would be little childs to be educated.
As a Hungarian, I'm utterly heartbroken to see videos like this. The EU needs to be tougher with the Hungarian government since Mr Orban's political games are extremely dangerous for the unity of the EU. A PM that tells people "You'd better work more if you want to survive the cost of living crisis" without giving much support to the nation is a morally failed politician who no longer represents the Hungarian people but his own political interests. Hungary was a country with full of potentials even just 12 years ago. What a waste of time, money, and lots of talents (especially young ones) who have already left the country, including myself. The worst is that Hungary manoeuvred itself into a catch 22 situation thanks to the Orban politics that shredded the opposition in the past 12 years. So now we have Mr Orban who no longer serves Hungary's interests, and a completely powerless opposition that's unable to offer alternatives for the Hungarian people. Eventually, I do hope Hungary will get money from the EU since at the end of the day, it is the Hungarian people who'll suffer the most, not Mr Orban. :(
B+anyád
Most te ezért fizetést is kapsz, vagy ezt komolyan gondolodXD?
It will just push Hungarians further and further away . followed by Poland, Slovakia, Greece Croatia etc etc .. Brussels needs to get back into its box.
All the countries you mentioned, are money receivers. It would be great if they kicked out themselves !
rules and benefits...
frankly, if they don't want the rules, they can leave and try their luck without the benefits that come with the rules...
It will be easier for the EU to do the most needed reforms before welcoming more peoples in our common house.
You know it’s bad when even their best friend in Poland is now against their leader
It's comical, in the way Soviet Russia was. No EU member state is a fuly functioning democracy. Their scope for democratic government diminishes at every change in EU law.
Sanctions ? ABOUT TIME !!!😡
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Finally! It was about time actions had consequences.
Wrong actions can get right consequences. By promoting unselective mass migration and transnational corruption, TPTB have set the groundwork for the far right to dismantle the EU. Sweden yesterday, Italy today and the rest tomorrow. Then comes demolition time.
Once America's controlled demolition of Europe's industrial base is complete and Europe becomes 3rd world. Hungarians will beg to leave the EU because there will be zero benefit in exchange for BLM riots and Islamic terrorism.
Are we going to see a potential Hungarexit? They seem pretty incompatible with each other lately and if EU is withholding money the benefits of staying are significantly less.
I predict the EU will fall apart because a major country such as Germany loses its economic power and then fails its obligations. Thanks to the unelected eurocrats.
How is it possible to overreach a rule of
law when it's in print at time of internship
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Thanks for sharing.
I have worked with quite a few hungarians last winter and I was very surprised that all of then thought that Putin and Orban are mint guys. Even when the war in Ukraine started. Have they all forgotten their own past??? I don't agree with everything in the EU, but first and foremost it stands for tolerance! We all have the same rights, not just the party faithful!!
sure buddy the right to do as you are told or else ... , ever heard of klaus schwab or the WEF ?
EU isn't tolerant, rainbow flags do nothing for my life and cost nothing to be raised. Hungary problem asside, EU does overreach outside the richest countries.
"past"
Most of the western nations were ex colonizers, some of them still invade or help to invade small nations.
@@rustysutton Move to Russia then! They are looking for volunteers.
LMAO "first and foremost it stands for tolerance" and yet the EU is having a shitfit at Hungary for not falling into line.... hardly tolerant.
Honestly, Hungary needs to be leashed and fast. Even Poland's (Hungary's big bro peer) ultra-conservative populism is unsavory but is not an extremist and existential threat to the European Union and North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Under far-right extremism, "electoral autocracy", and full-blown cronyism, core democratic values and respect for human rights (principle requirement for NATO AND EU membership) have eroded into dust that is gone with the wind. It is preposterous that Ukraini -- a former USSR nation outside of NATO and EU in an ongoing war -- is a better fit for both the Union and Alliance than Hungary, a member that has signed both Articles of both organizations.
The UN has already been reduced to nothing more than a glorified acronym that used to mean something. And the USA once stood for the states who believed in "United we stand, Divided we fall", but now it's a false acronym that masks disunity. But we cannot allow NATO and the EU to be mere acronyms; they are the few political organization that still truly means something. Furthermore, Hungary is complicit in Russia's war in Ukraini by hampering Europe's effort to stand against authoritarianism and to resurrect the spirit of Helsinki. Like George Orwell stated, objectively accurately, "Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other".
Poland was threatened with withdrawal of EU funds a few years ago, it was eventually smoothed over. Nation states leaving the EU is something they will never allow!
_"Nation states leaving the EU is something they will never allow"_
Huh? What do you mean by that? Do you live in an alternative universe where Brexit never happened?
Slaves can't get free. If they don't obey their masters, they're punished but freedom is not an option.
@@frankstrawnation Which is why we need to be stronger towards Hungary, to ensure the freedom and democratic rights of Hungarian citizens and prevent the development towards "slavery".
Why did't Hungary veto the passing of the Conditionality Mechanism?
Confusing as hell!
A hope for a good outcome for this. Most problems can be handwaved away, but corruption and distribution of EU funds should be looked at really closely. Who gets it, what is it spent on? Too much of that money goes into other people's pockets. (but I guess this is also a universal problem)
Britain spends 10 million pounds a day to house refugees. I think Hungary is quite uncorrupt unlike unelected Brussels bureaucrats. btw Ursula Von Der Leyen comes from a rich aristocratic family she hardly cares about common folk unlike her Orban was actually democratically elected.
The EU is totally corrupt and will soon cease to exist. They printed trillions for their cronies and distributed trillions more from the prudent EU countries such as Germany to the fiscally irresponsible south. Uncontrollable inflation is the end of the road.
Most goes into the pockets of unelected Preseident Ursula, Borrel, Michel etc who let their hatred guide every disastrous move.
As a Hungarian person I'm still sad and angry that many people (over 2/3 of the country) vote for the FIDESZ party, thus they can make any laws they want (cuz over 2/3 of votes), I started to think that the FIDESZ party cheat in elections. Let's just hope that we can change the rule of Hungary.
As far as i know, by vote count roughly max 50% of people voted for Orban. Probably less. But the voting system was designed for this being enough for 2/3 of parlament seats.
Well, the worst part that not the 2/3 of the country voted for Fidesz. It "just happens", that our voting system allows such a push. For example, in 2018, the FIDESZ didn't got half of the votes, but had their 133 brave men in parlament.
@DoubtingThomas You are correct
What a foul you are. Usually in any case the majority rules. Get educated !!!
@@Born782 yeah, the majority rules, but with a 2/3 of the seats, they can do whatever they want. Nobody can object to them. There are no checks and balances, what a normal democracy has GeT EdUcAtEd.
Hungary has somehow similar issues as Russia: citizens just don’t care about politics and let their politicians do what they want with few protests. In those conditions, don’t expect anything but a regime always restraining liberties and generalized corruptions amongst elites. Why would they act differently if nobody says anything ?
The moment Orban's Hungary is less free than Yeltsin's Russia.
No no, you got it backwards. Citizens rally behind and support their leaders********
You decry Hungary an autocratic oppressive society as your government protects the north african invader as he grooms and murders your daughter. You decry corruption as your leaders in Brussels take NGO money and enforce said NGOs objectives onto you.
Ursula will lambast countries for "authoritarianism" then threaten countries (i.e Italy) if they vote the "wrong" way
Because people have a right to not want to be involved in politics.
@@Bigmanpo615 yes it’s your right to don’t care about politic. But then you have to eventually pay the price.
@@lol-ih1tl
Yeltsin's russia was horrible... ask any russian over 50 how much all that "freedom" tasted, since they had no food to taste
If you choose to join a dictatorship then you must do as dictated. Its not complicated. Hungary should know its place.
Praying for Hungary.
Proverbs 1:7
[7]The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
I'm Hungarian and I confirm that TLDR got this story right in all its details.
You must be the priminister, correct?
TLDR is true to its form. Keeping propaganda simple for the stupid.
@@odineproci2455 ah yes as opposed to the hungarian lies? Even poland hates hungary
@@odineproci2455 propaganda is not simply lies it is to persuade every advert every argument against lies or for truth is propaganda but I guess you pro autocratic ruzz bots don’t get that
That's very sad. I hope you guys are going to be ok.
They can leave if they want to. Ask britain how that works out for them.
Its going great. Hahahh :( i am crying. It big suck.
@@thee-sportspantheon330 real
They don't want to, so there is that.
@@tamaszlav well, you can't have it both ways though. Either you're in and play by the rules (and get all the money) or you're not.
gut
I really hope finally something will be done about our government, it's really frustrating how our country is just getting worse and worse to live in because of a few people in power..
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Yeah the worst it gets because elf a few people in power in Brussels.
Getting persecuted because they’re not left wing
Hungary must cut all cords with Europe at once.
There's something very worrying going on. Some details were leaked by some visitors who contacted Radio Free Europe from the annual speech of Kötcse. The speech was not public. According to Orbán, the Visegrád group could become net contributors to the EU by 2030. I have no idea what this assumption is based upon. But he said if this happens, we'll have to consider the point of being a member. That's the worst possible scenario I could imagine. But among things like planning to sabotage the renewal of the sanctions and planning to govern the country until 2060, there was something even worse... He said the economical role model is China. I don't think I need to explain why this is shocking.
Well if Ukraine joins the EU the current members are going to all have to contribute a lot more and get a lot less.
@@stephen4121 That is the reason of being reluctant to get Ukraine in . It is the egotistical way to think only to your self. Typical to some nations.
@@mksensej8701 Agreed. It's also a very SHORT-sighted way of looking at things...! Ukraine has tremendous things to offer Europe, like: food-production, energy, minerals, culture, the list goes on and on... if we help them to get back on their feet, it has the potential to be an AMAZING investment.
Being half Hungarian by ancestry, I am completely unsurprised that the EU is having to use their "nuclear option" to make the Hungarian government stop doubling-down on their controversial policies. The "nuclear option" is the only option that ever works with Hungarians -- either you have the ability to _force_ a Hungarian to cooperate, or you don't.
Please don't use phrase "nuclear option" when we're at a verge of an actual nuclear war.
You cant be half Hungarian as Hungarian is a nationality.
@@tauceti8060 OP is clearly american. That's the only place where people say "im 30% Norwegian!" as like a badge of honour. Actual european-born people fucking hate each other and are honest about it.
@@tauceti8060 Hah, no, it's more than a nationality, it's an ethnic group. We Hungarians call ourselves Magyarorszag, which literally means Nation of Magyars. Magyars were an ancient tribal group, and most Hungarians can trace our genetic/cultural ancestry back as ethnic Magyars. Most nations have a dominant ethnicity, it's the basis for their national identity. That's why you can trace someone's lineage/ancestry. Someone can of course be Half-Hungarian, but that speaks nothing of whether or not they're a citizen.
As a hungarian i can say i feel a bitter happiness for this. All of that money would have gone to the pockets of corrupt officials, but still, from now on they have to raise costs even more to maintain their quality of life, shitting in our necks in the meantime.
There are many people gere who know something has to change, but if anyone dares to speak up the state propaganda crushes down on them, and the people had been brainwashed for 12 years now, making the situation quite orwellian. A huge chunk of the population thinks now, that in "the West" it is mandatory in kindergartens to push gay propaganda for the kids and that governments prohibit you from heating up your own house.
And media just says: "look there, how shit is their life, they are jealous of us. If you would have elected that other guy Gyurcsány, you would be in the same trouble. Also if you have a bit pricier gas bill, its only thanks to Gyurcsány, just don't think about the fact that last he held any power was in 2006, he did all this with help from Soros"
Well said
But gender ideology is being pushed in K-12 education in many western countries. There’s no denying it.
@@alered1605 while this is indeed true, i am sure there are no parents from western countries who one day went to kindergarten for their 6 years old son only to find out he was kidnapped by the teacher and had a trans surgery that day. And this is what they implied in their program. They never said it explicitly but this is the picture people got in their heads from their words.
Every country should be able to self govern. This is where the EU is wrong.
They can but then they can’t take all the money from the EU.
The new financial mechanism allowed the EU to conrol its members states except France and Germany.
How does Hungary's sanctuary laws risk the sound financial management or protections of the financial interests?
I think the whole idea of having a rule making and law passing international body comprised of many different countries requiring unanimity to do anything is just ridiculous. We don´t just see that right now with Hungary in the EU but also with Russia in the UN. It just takes one rotten apple in one of those countries to derail the whole thing because of the veto right. Either get rid of the veto right and implement something like the qualified majority vote thing, or stop making these international bodies of cooperation.
it's an old rule that was meant for when the EU was only a handful of cou tries
@@Keln02 also when it had less legislation and rules.
All permament Un council are rotten appled the big five especially these 3 usa,russia,china uses veto to their own benefit a lot un security council is awfull for other countries because it was made when the world had 2 "empires" USA and soviet union
Same goes for the UN Security Council. Who thought that rule would work out?
@@SN-sz7kw it did sort of until the recognition of red China as China.
The membership criteria were well known by Hungary.
When a country is a net beneficiary of European funds, it must all the more respect the rules of the European Union. It does not tolerate any autocratic regime among its members.
The Copenhagen European Council in December 1993 established the following three criteria:
Political criterion: stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, respect for minorities and their protection;
Economic criterion: viable market economy capable of coping with market forces and competitive pressure within the Union;
Acquis of the European Union: ability to assume the obligations of membership, and in particular to subscribe to the objectives of political, economic and monetary union.
The 4th specified in 2006
Capacity for integration: capacity of the Union to assimilate new members and deepen integration. It implies that the country's accession is compatible with the efficient functioning of the institutions and the decision-making procedures of the Union, and does not call into question the common policies and their financing. Unlike the others, this criterion therefore does not depend on the candidate country for membership but on the EU.
Why would one country farm out their legislative process to other countries? Sounds like a recipe for conflict. Especially since “European Values” is a bit of a slippery standard. Can “European Values” change? What voice does a country of 10-15 million people have in regard to defining and redefining “European Values? Almost none, right?
The Brits were right to get out of that toxic EU organisation.
Enforcing your rules is important for any organization lest it falls apart.
If the Hungarian state cares so much about Russia, those backstabbers can go back to their masters in Moscow if they really missed the days of the Warsaw Pact.
yeah backstabbing should have consequences. When Poland did it to Czechoslovakia in 1938 by allying with Hitler they got the punishment of 1939
@@stephen4121 Sure thing, Stephen. Keep pushing the false narrative that Poland and Germany were somehow 'friends'
it was about time
Support for Hungary! Standing up for woke Europe.
Hungary must be penalised if they are not respecting the rules
Finally, you need to do this. Thank god!
But the EU does nothing about the massive corruption in Spain/Italy/Greece/Portugal etc.
@DoubtingThomas Err no. If you take severe action against one country for corruption, but do nothing against others who are just as guilty, the correct word is ...... discrimination!
@@rchatte100 just as guilty. None of them are just as guilty. Hungary is a special case
Those economies were killed by the Eu and the Euro. EU These days looks like a marriage that can't afford a divorce.
EU"s views are not always fair. When France had that huge protest against their Government and people were getting severely injured EU didn't do nothing. But they sure love to punish eastern central European countries for stupid things. But I don't agree with Hungary giving Russia support during their war with Ukraine.
As long as you follow the Brussels doctrine you’re fine, corrupt or not doesn’t matter. But god forbid you do your own thing in a democracy…
This is just EU interfering with countries internal affairs which sets a dangerous precedent for the future of smaller EU states
Why shouldn't the EU be allowed to decide what to do with its money?
@@anna-flora999 EU have NO money. EU-countries have.
The EU bosses want to act as the boss and subordinates with its members and order them what they should do whether that meet their interests or not?
No one forced any country to join the EU, did they? And those who choice to join know full well how it is like in the EU. Don't join, and then complain about the EU bosses.
@@huaiwei erm no the EU has changed over the years. Also might be alien concept to you, but there is thing where people are allowed to have different opinions and not have to be mindless drones. Shocking I know.
@@stephen4121 People also have the right to whole lot of other things, like a representative government, an impartial justice system and not being discriminated against based on their religion, ethnicity, gender sexuality etc. You can't be yelling about "opinion" when you're actively going against the EU's founding principles. And yes, our understading of some of those principles has evolved over time, as it bloody well should.
@@stephen4121 and no one forces any country not to leave if you think the terms for admission has changed over the years, as the UK has done. What has that got to do with mindless drones and my views about diverse opinions, when I am simply reminding you that when you make agreements and sign contracts, you stick to them if you wish to remain committed, or else leave.
Amusing that some people think it is acceptable to tear up agreements simply because of "diverse views". Did you also tear up bank loan agreements because you suddenly insisted you are not a drone and are no longer obligated to repay because you reserve the right to have a different opinion about the loan? 🤣
Man, how much this country has to suffer? first the trianon (respect for the british for leaving the trial) then ww2, and now this?...its fucked up
About bloody time!
Why do Hungarian want to be part of the EU and vote in the like of Orban?
Money
Can you also make a video about polands problem with obtaining eu funds.
God damn finally.
Very glad that the EU has finally grown the balls to say "the EU is a cooperation. If you don't want to cooperate, then you don't have to be part of it."
E.u won't let them leave
Cooperation means do as you are told under van der liar rule!!Just be patient dude,the shit is about to hit the fan!!
Cooperate or be ruined! You will cOoPeRaTe.
Would now be a good time to point out that Germany is in fact the biggest breaker of EU law? Go look it up...
@@evo8power228 Eh... yes we would. Its easy. Article 20 is open for l any member.
Dear TLDR team, I am an Armenian citizen and wea re at war too. Azerbaijan attacked and right now, while I type is inside the Armenian territory. I would appreciate that a news portal like you start to talk about it too. Best regards❤❤❤
after 2 weeks i still barely hear anything about the armenian azeri war... you guys got forgotten by the western media it seems... :(
Like it absolutely ridiculous-
He’s talking out both sides of his mouth- a land locked country falling out with the eu-
There is a way to kick Hungary out of the EU,even tho it's highly unlikely it would occur and might endanger the very existence of the EU in the process.
In theory, all EU member states apart from Hungary (maybe Poland as well) could ratify a new treaty to invoke article 50 and create an EU clone simultaneously,transfering all assets and institutions from the old EU to the new one, leaving Hungary in the old chat group alone.
This idea was initially brought up by Dutch PM during EU Covid recovery Fund discussion when Poland and Hungary threaten to veto the attached rule of law clause.
Or just make a law to kick countries
@@whitezombie10 that means changing the treaty and that take years it would need approval from all EU member state including Hungary and Poland so that’s not happening
that could definitely work, yeah.
@@redhammer9910 I think you pointed out a vital issue here. I would describe myself as a federalist, but even to me, the chance of former eastern bloc states would easily hand out their core sovereignty such as finance and taxation for further EU integration, to solve fundamental flaws of the euro project, looks dimmer than the chance of Turkey joining the EU.
But the non-aligned movement achieved very little in the history of the cold war. Almost everyone ended up having a very clear alignment in practice after the initial hype. Just like NAM, former Eastern Bloc states don't share a solid ideological base, and their economic size would never be even close to pushing those countries together and making a coherent political unit without relying on other powerhouses. Organizationally, if the former eastern bloc states are so disgusted by the idea of further integration into the EU, no meaningful cooperation would ever occur between them. It will stay as a purely symbolic and ceremonial movement for the sake of press releases.
I would argue that at the end of the day, when the next major crisis hits Europe, the former eastern states would soon face a choice between either having no sovereignty at all as small countries and fighting alone in the new cold war or choosing the unideal but negotiable partner which is EU.
that's exactly what I was thinking about NATO when Turkey and Hungary were blocking Finland and Sweden joining NATO... simply create a NATO clone, transfers most of the assets but don't let the blocker join the clone before Finland and Sweden are in, and voilà...
A lesson in how to make 8 minutes feel like 30
Scrapping unanimity completely gives all the power to Germany and France... which can sway over half of countries without even lifting a finger... very dangerous for any type of Union.... This is not the kind of reforms peoples ask , specially the ones from the center and east. I get that Hungary is sometimes a problem but lets not over-do it or it will cause people harm as their voices will be irrelevant and lots of negative emotions will be coming your way. In case you dont really care about those people it will backfire in a few years .
nope, it goes back to qualified majority (66% of the members, I believe) which still need major compromises to get anything going. It just permit to bypass the one and only petulant child that feel entitled... if the opposition is large enough, it doesn't pass and mean there is need for more negotiation and compromises, meaning the so called "little countries" can get some additional benefits in exchange of their agreement when they're reluctant.
@@kolerick Yea it could be worse... like 50% . But then again this could still be bad in regional problems or cultural problems. Remains to be seen how this gets abused.
@@L2Xenta well... abuses exist... Hungary and Poland proved that.
It's the duty of the elected members of the EU parliament to prevent abuses. It's the duty of the elected in their own country ministers that form the EU commission to prevent abuses...
the bureaucrates are only civil servants that apply the laws and rules voted by elected members... like each county civil servants do with their own country rules and laws...
@@kolerick EU should first fix the loopholes abused by political activist billionaires like Soros and their friends at the World Economic Forum... if they want to give the appearance of EU reforms... Or they will leave the impression that protecting these interests its what this is really about if they target multiple non ultra-progressive countries from the East. One could also think this is about finding an answer to the eventual cooperation of the 3 seas group aka Intermarium. Only time will tell...
But the EU bureaucrats better not think ppl in these parts are stupid and go along with whatever crap gets discussed at World Economic Forum...
Hungary and Poland out of the eu!!
The whole world is breaking up, isn't up? We're all dividing, piece by piece to hunker down under the illusion the we can take care of our own without outside help/trade etc. We can't afford all this conflict! Millions upon millions will suffer and pay the price for it.
To be honest , if Hungary isn’t going to play ball with the requirements of being in the union , then it’s better off out. Despite orban publicly attacking the ussr when as a student when hungary was under occupation , he seems to be wanting Hungary having closer relations to Russia .
Let them , if that’s what the Hungarians want . Give the opportunity for Ukraine , Moldova and Georgia to enter instead (countries who actually want to be there)
Orban is a sell out to his people. I bet my man has Stockholm Syndrome over the USSR and that's why he wants to be all buddy-buddy with Russia.
Don't mix the two . Today and 2000 years ago !!!
since when those countries want to be part of Russia?
@@alihorda I think Daniel meant ukraine, moldova and georgia to enter the european union, not Russia
@@confusioned2249 true
Ok, so the Hungarian people, democratically, elected someone who represents them and how the democracy based EU responds? By sanctioning them? What the hell?
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Hungary is in a club. The club has rules. Hungary doesnt follow the rules but expects to recieve the benefits anyway. The club says no. Follow the rules or leave the club. What is so fucking difficult to understand about that?
If they dont like it then FUCKING. LEAVE. THE. CLUB.
No one elected Orban, even Hungarians know it
Fidesz tricked people into voting for them by silencing press and misinfo. Not a healthy democracy. It would be as if I would say all Leonardos are going to oppress Hungarians, vote for me and I'll protect them from those vicious beings. Everyone who is saying that I make things up, I'll silence.
There are consequences to breaking EU rules. Hungary will have to face them.
Hungary is on the Rong side of History sens 1914.
You must be an absolute mouth breather if you think their was a "good side" in ww1
There is no such thing as a right or wrong side of history
They were on the wrong side of history ever since the crown was aquired by Austrians
@@tanker00v25 Hungary went downhill ever since they joined with Austria
Mind Begs the Question:
NATO,Corporates capable to Boycott
Russia over Ukraine/Forced Dollar
NATO,Corporates not capable to Boycott
China over Concentration Camps?
Your volume controls during all your individual bulletins are ropeable and make it very unpleasant to listen to them. It would be nice if you could fix it, either by recording modulation or playback modulation, so that your listeners don't have keep their fingers on their own volume controls, PLEASE!!!