I live 5 km away from Pivdenmash. Most of the stuff they designed and built in soviet times was military and highly classified, our city was a closed one for decades.
@@AAaa-wu3el The State Factory "Production Union Southern Machine-Building Plant named after O.M. Makarov", officially abbreviated as Pivdenmash, is a Ukrainian state-owned aerospace manufacturer. Prior to 1991, it was a Soviet state-owned factory. Pivdenmash produces spacecraft, launch vehicles (rockets), liquid-propellant rockets, landing gears, castings, forgings, tractors, tools, and industrial products. The company is headquartered in Dnipro, and reports to the State Space Agency of Ukraine. It works with international aerospace partners in 23 countries.
@@AAaa-wu3el Formerly Yuzhmash. It's full name is "southern machinery building plant", they just changed "southern" part from russian "yug" to ukrainian "pivden" for obvious reasons.
I love the result of them basically spitting in Musks face (quote from same book that they did spit in his face or on him). Certainly worked out in the US's favor.
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Good video, Thank you Scott for highlighting Ukrainian contributions and pointing out some important reasons why most projects meet their end. I believe we will see Cyclone-4M actually launching and other modern project in the future.
Rockets are very complex machine. In USSR it was made y whole country. Speaking about "Ukraine contribution" is nonsence. If look at "Ukraine constructors" you will see russians. Conceptiopn of Ukraine nation is total bullshits. :-)
Glushko and Korolov were Ukrainians. The Russians even repressed Korolov for allegedly taking part in counter-revolutionary activities. But since they needed aircraft and rocket scientists during the war, Korolev was allowed to atone for his “guilt” by working for the USSR. For several years he worked at a secret research institute under the supervision of the special services, since he was an “enemy of the people.” But the exile had its consequences. Korolev died due to health complications that resulted from being severely beaten in a labor camp (he was exiled to the Russian Far East).
Storyteller. Korolev's death was the result of a heart attack. No camps had anything to do with it and he was not involved in any counter-revolutionary activity, it was just that his Ukrainian colleagues, as was their favorite habit, wrote a false denunciation of him. He wrote about his nationality: his father was Russian, his mother had an interesting surname, Moskalenko(Balanina is even more interesting, it is a Russian family), and he registered as a Ukrainian in his passport, because everyone during the Ukrainization began to register as Ukrainian.
His story is so ironical, so russian. They tried to kill him, because that's what they do, then realized his potential as an engineer, stopped trying to kill him, just to kill him by accident.
He never will be. He played an integral role in the history of space exploration. Like the USA, Russia/Soviet Union extended the knowledge and work of Werner Von Braun.
Of the Soviet leaders, only the first and last were full Russians. It was a dictatorship, and together, Lenin and Gorby were dictators for a total of less than 8 years. The USSR itself existed for 69 years. Ukrainian leaders ran the country longer than anybody else. Khrushchev was ethnic Russian but grew up in the Ukraine. Brezhnev was probably Ukrainian. Chernenko was ethnic Ukrainian from Siberia. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack (his mother's ethnicity is a bit unclear). Malenkov looks like a typical central Asian leader. His family immigrated from Turkey in the century before. Stalin was Georgian, his term was longer than anybody else's, but it was still less than Khrushchev + Brezhnev. We could argue about this today, but SP undoubtedly thought of himself as Soviet. His mother was Ukrainian and his father was Russian. Think of it like this. Imagine that South and North Korea never reunites and they go on to form separate countries called Hankuk and Chosun that lasts for hundreds of years, and then they fight over whether Sejong belongs to who. Makes no sense for the man lived hundreds of years before the two countries split apart. When SP was alive, it was all one country. He definitely did not expect Russians and Ukrainians to be killing each other today.
Scott, I'm pretty certain the Dnepr was ejected from it's silo by a black powder gas generator cartridge and not a piston. You can spot the cannister being ejected sideways after launch in most of the available videos.
Nah it's the zenit... no h... it makes me unreasonably upset😂😂 I was saying out loud to myself " they could have had a pretty decent name... literally add an h"😂😂
If like me you're having trouble following this video right out of the gate, it's not of much consequence that Sergei Korolev and Valentin Glushko were both Ukrainian. In that era, the R-7 and other technologies they developed were Soviet. (Sergei Korolev was actually sent to the Gulag on false anti-Soviet charges before later developing this first ICBM plus much more as director of the Soviet space program. His death as a consequence of health issues interrupted Soviet ambitions for a moon landing ahead of the United States. Valentin Glushko was imprisoned during the Great Purge as well but avoided hard labor. He would also work on the R-7 and later take over the reorganized space program several years after Korolev's death.) The third figure is Mikhail Yangel, shown on the Ukrainian stamp, who also contributed to the first ICBM. Again it's not of much consequence he was born in Russia. His design bureau Dnepropetrovsk was located in Ukraine, so everything from the modern Zenit rocket family all the way back to the R-12 seen in the Cuban Missile Crisis can be considered of Ukrainian origin. Unfortunately the delineation gets buried under all the technical details in the video, if one is even possible. The situation between Russia and Ukraine was somewhat murky and their relationship cautious from the Orange Revolution in 2004 thru to Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, but they were working together right up until then, and certainly after dissolution of the USSR in 1991.
Korolev wasn't Ukrainian. There is document from place where he worked where stated that he is Russian. He called himself Ukrainian earlier because there were discrimination in Soviet Ukraine toward Russians when he began his career.
@@antonkucherov9215 My point was that some might have a hard time understanding the video if unfamiliar, but in fact everyone in that era was Soviet. If Sergei Korolev referred to himself as Russian when necessary, then that fits perfectly with this idea. I wasn't trying to push some agenda about where each person was from, rather clarify that it didn't matter, for those who might get confused about the role national identity plays in this story. Korolev was born in Zhitomir, and his mother's family was from Nizhyn, both in Ukraine. His father had Russian and Belarusian roots, but he didn't know his father past infancy. Korolev spoke Ukrainian natively, having grown up in Nizhyn and Odessa. That's why I said he's Ukrainian. But yes, the lines are completely blurred. In those times, it was a united federation, and everyone learned Russian as well.
@villadavida where did you get that his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian? Her name was Domnika Nikolaeva and she was countrywoman in Mogilev region(it's modern Belorussia). Why dont you call her Belorussian(in your logic)?
@@villadavida what is the basis to say that his native language was Ukrainian? Do you wanna say that at home their family spoke Ukrainian? There is a huge pile of documents showing how Soviet govt forced every Russian who happen to be within newly formed borders of Ukraine to call themselves Ukrainians and recognize Ukrainian as their 'native language' in 1920. People couldn't get a job if they didn't agree and refused to learn basics of their 'native language' although it was obvious that their native language is Russian. It's common thing in Ukraine even now for people to use Russian at home and in public pretend how they love Ukrainian language. But the thing about Korolev is that at the time of his childhood and adolescence there were no pressure from govt to pretend about his native language. It's obvious that his native language is Russian if there is no strong evidence of contrary.
Well, it's more about that there is nothing really russian, everything is stolen from somebody, and the most of "really good russian things" were stolen from Ukraine. Incliding the name.
@@sirex9244 Russian Civil War : 1917-1922, Ukraine was fighting against the USSR. Nationality always existed, why do you think Ukraine became a free nation? And I'm literally from the Baltics so we have the same case, except we did win to keep independence after that Civil War, yet another American or just a Russian bot trying to claim that the USSR was just Russia with just Russians.
@@sirex9244 Not quite, as the russia was still conquering countries at least until the forties. It conquered Ukraine in 1922. Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia in 1940.
@grandsior1819 bruh it seems interesting to live in parallel universe. I bet you have classified documents from archives that show this events... Ow wait....
Soviet space and rocket program was neither Russian nor Ukrainian, it was Soviet. Former Yuzhmash was located in also former Ukrainian SSR, but being the main developer of ICBMs in USSR, it was an industrial facility of strategic importance and thus under central control.
@@Злойсамаритянин-б2л Stop changing history about people that are all mostly dead. You don't develop anything without capital and country support. You did not even exist on the world stage since then and the current war.
Good video, and nice historical background, thanks Scott. The answer is not really, both the 'Ukrainian' and 'Russian' rockets are good. My team and I have used both in missions (these all went into GTOs): Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2004 Proton, on 1-May-2005 Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2005 Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2006 Zenit (Land Launch, from Baykonur), on 1-Feb-2009 Proton, on 11-Aug-2009 Proton, on 20-Aug-2010 Proton, on 10-Jul-2010 Proton, on 20-May-2011 Proton, on 29-Sep-2011 Proton, on 19-Oct-2011 Proton, on 25-Nov-2011 Proton, on 17-May-2012 Proton, on 9-Jul-2012 Proton, on 26-Mar-2013 Proton, on 20-Oct-2013 Proton, on 28-Sep-2017 (my fav mission) So I do have experience with the mission performances of these LVs, and I can honestly say there were all good. Funnily enough, in 5-Aug-2014 we used Falcon 9 for the first time, and its performance was adequate, but not as good as the Zenit and/or Proton. But by a mission done 10-Sep-2018, SpaceX had already iterated enough that the Falcon9's performance by then was as good as that of the Zenit/Proton...at a fraction of their cost.
Korolyov and Glushko are ethnic Ukrainians. Korolyov is from Zhytomyr (northern Ukraine), and Glushko is from Odesa (southern Ukraine). Yangel was born in Russia, but his parents were Ukrainians who were forcibly resettled from northern Ukraine by the Russian Empire in the late 19th century
There is not a single recording of any of them speaking ukrainean. They all spoke only russian No wonder, since they have considered themselves russians
@@Stup1d0zz They were ethnic Ukrainians with Soviet citizenship. Korolyov died in 1966. Of course, there wouldn't be many voice recordings, and such recordings would be censored. Also, in those times, if the family considered themselves Ukrainian, it literally meant they spoke the Ukrainian language because citizenship wasn't precisely defined at the time. Please take time to learn more about the lives of the people you mentioned before you start arguing.
Serhiy Korolyov, a legendary rocket engineer, is a true pride of Ukraine. Born in Zhytomyr, graduated in Kyiv Polytechnic institute, he became one of the key figures in space exploration history. However, it's important to remember the tragic chapter of his life-he was unjustly repressed by the Soviet regime, enduring torture and imprisonment in Siberia by Russians. Despite this, his genius overcame oppression, and his contributions laid the foundation for humanity's journey to space
Sergey Korolev, a legendary rocket engineer, is a true pride of Soviet Union. Born in Zhitomir, graduated in Kiev Polytechnic institute, he became one of the key figures in space exploration history. However, it's important to remember the tragic chapter of his life-he was unjustly repressed by ukrainians among government, enduring torture and imprisonment in Siberia by Ukrainians. Despite this, his genius overcame oppression, and his contributions laid the foundation for humanity's journey to space. Thankful Russians named city in Moscow region after him.
@deniskosian2934 Lying, plagiarism, rewriting history, stealing ideas and things from others - this is what Russians are best known for. Please, no need to remind us of this again. We already remember it well.
@deniskosian2934 Lying, plagiarism, rewriting history, stealing ideas and things from others - this is what Russians are best known for. Please, no need to remind us of this again. We already remember it well
This is why Turkey is trying to get the Ukrainians to make the engines for their new KAAN fighter, there is generational knowledge and expertise in Ukraine for these kind of things.
@@petunizedA lot of people weren't allowed to move anywhere else but Russia, by Russia that held them at gunpoint. Because of the Russia that invaded and turned their home into a warzone. Try again.
Thanks for studying this topic, I have never heard about some of these vehicles. It looks like Ukraine would have had a substantial space capabilities by now, if not for russian agents off influence, which has been trying to sneak in and kill every significant defense related project in Ukraine ever since soviet union collapsed.
Great vid and I love how you managed to tied it all up nicely in the end to the very frontier of space exploration with SpaceX but a great history lesson all round on some less well known rockets. Well done!
15:28 Imagine they still had the og controls with the two keys, the only time where two people turning keys in a bunker doesnt result in absolute devestation...
Samara-based RSC Progress, which builds the Soyuz 2 series of boosters, has a new Soyuz 5 (irtysh) booster in development. It's basically a slightly upgraded Zenit that's all Russian made. The booster will use a simplified version of the successful RD-170 - the RD-171MV. The Soyuz 5 is the single stick version, but notionally the single stick will be the basis for side boosters three stick and five stick variants. It's still developmental, and Russia's economic issues put the future of the program in doubt.
The RD-171MV is far from being a "simplified version of the RD-170". The RD-171MV is derived from the RD-171M, which has 5-10% more thrust than original RD-170, and is made completely out of Russian components. The Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) project is tied to Kazakhstan's "Baiterek" space complex in Baikonur, the latter has faced numerous delays and is completely under Kazakhstan's responsibility, not Russia. The Soyuz-5 is ready and its debut launch is expected to be in December 2025 (perhaps a bit later in 2026). So please, get your facts straight.
@@RustedCroaker Re-read what I posted: the RD-171MV is derived from the RD-171M, not the RD-170. The RD-171M (also known as the RD-173) was used for the Zenit-2. So it's very likely that the RD-171M had some foreign (Ukrainian) components in it. Hope that clears it up for you.
@@AdrIneX плавучий космодром "морской старт" так же планировался на переоснащение с ракет "зенит" на "союз-5", но частный инвестор собственник стартового комплекса компания S-7 из-за наложенных иностранных санкций и невозможности проводить коммерческие запуски в международных водах заморозил проект,уже прошло 10 лет как всё ржавеет у причала,это печально.
You mentioned the GRACE system, I was a controller for GRACE at DLR and still have copies of the First Light printouts. I also went to the Energia centre outside of Moscow to the Sergei Korolev Museum & ISS control centre.
6:00 pretty big correction: the R-36 and R-36M which is on screen are completely different missiles. The R-36M was developed into the Dnepr launch vehicle and has nothing to do with Cyclone. Also the engines for Cyclone were not produced in Russia like you stated.
Noticed this also! There is probably multiple videos worth of content (if you can find the sources) on why Soviet missile systems shared designations even if they were entirely different designs (and it wasn't just missiles, aircraft to, the Tu-22 and Tu-22M are _vastly_ different aircraft). Long story short, it was easier to procure a budget for a new system if you framed it as an upgrade to an old system. Anyway, the R-36 was the SS-9 Scarp and the SS-18 was the Satan (I am not sure if the NATO designation being 18 was a coy nod to the fact that it was "related" to the SS-9).
To be fair, Ukraine basically was the Soviet Union's equivalent of Pennsylvania, the rust belt, Iowa, and silicon valley all in one. Belarus is now Russia's Arkansas.
Technically speaking Sergey Korolev was also Ukrainian as he was born, raised and educated in Ukraine, but back than everybody was hammered to be a Soviet. He made virtually no progress in rocket design save for design a basic MRLS until he got hands on German V-2 with a bunch of German engineers. Basically Souz is the continuation of .... V-2 ... The idea 4 chamber engine was introduced by Germans as a way to address instability as they tried to scale up V-2 at the final days of war. Once USSR managed to adopt V-2 to their limited manufacturing capabilities under R-5, they hit the same issue and took advantage of German idea in RD-107.
Korolev was of mixed heritage, ethnic Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, and Pontic Greek, and spoke Russian only. Zhitomir was a Russian/Yiddish/Polish speaking city.
Korolev was part of the group that successfully developed liquid-fuel rockets as early as 1928 and launched them in the early 1930s. See GIRD, GIRD9, GIRD-X and OSSOAWIACHIM. Stalin had simply failed to recognize the value of these developments and, in his paranoia, preferred to murder half of his generals and condemn smart people like Korolev in show trials as alleged enemies. Korolev was in a gulag until the end of WW2. He was only released to examine the remains of A4/V2 production in Germany. The Americans had obtained the majority of the parts, plans and experts in OP Paperclip while the Soviet Union was still fighting for Berlin. In contrast to other countries, the Soviet Union already had its own experience with liquid-fuel rockets. The few experts that the Soviet Union found in East and Central Germany were never directly involved in the development. The Soviets' strategy of secrecy was against this. They were kept busy with fake tasks, while Korolev came up with the idea of enlarging the tanks and using twice the number of turbo pumps. It is a popular prejudice that the Soviets always got everything from others, but that is nonsense. They also had Ziolkowskie there, the man who had already planned and calculated the entire space program at the end of the 19th century. They also founded the first space travel society in 1921 (even before the British one, which was founded in 1924 and is now the oldest in the world) and held an exhibition on space travel in 1924 that attracted worldwide attention. Btw: Sikorski, the great aircraft and helicopter developer, had already successfully built giant aircraft for the Russian Tsar before he went to America.
@@mikesilver2283 I was born in Western Siberia. Am I Siberian? Before 1991, Ukraine was a Russian province (the name of Ukraine means side land in old Russian). We have some Siberian dialects in Russian language too. Only Siberians knows some of these words. And in 1918 Siberia wanted to be an independent republic. In 1922 Siberia became part of the Soviet Union. Another example: my cousin was born in Ukrainian SFSR. He is Ukrainian citizen and he is Ukrainian by modern definition of their laws. But we have same grandfather and grandmother. I am Russian by my birth certificate. What makes us different? Nothing, except citizenship after 1991.
Achievements of people of the past that have nothing to do with you or your country. Moreover, Ukraine has done everything to destroy these achievements and now it is not able to even closely repeat them. How exactly do their achievements support you now?
finally a great detailed video about rockets developed in the city of Dnipro by Yuzhmash and the Yangel Design Bureau. Thanks Scott and greetings from Ukraine.💙💛
@@hrissan If you're going to argue that language determines nationality, then I guess Americans, Canadians, Brazilians, Austrians, Swiss, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. don't exist
@@harbingerdawn nationality is a myth. There was Syrian nationality, and there is no more. Syrian was simply a temporary title given (with passport) to various tribes (each has its own world view, traditions, culture, religion, stories about ancestors). Same in Ukraine, there is 2 opposite perfect Ukrainians - one is native ukrainian speaker from western oblast whose grandfather served in SS and was oppressed by Russians after 1945. The other is Russian speaker from Donbas whose grandfather served red army or was antifascist guerilla. And there is wide spectrum between. But after 2014 coup it is first who captured power and immediately started terror against everything Russian, starting from language. In this sense those respected rocket gentlemen were not Ukrainian).
@@hrissan There is so much inaccuracy there that I don't know where to start. I suggest getting your information from a source other than government-run media, both for current events and for historical knowledge. Also, if nationality is a myth, then Russians don't exist either and this entire discussion is meaningless.
Many of the best Soviet ICBMs were designed and built in Ukraine...along with many of the Inertial Navigation Systems used to guide them...were also developed and built in Ukraine. For that matter, many of the technical (electronic warfare and radars) systems used in Soviet era aircraft to also designed and built in Ukraine. It is part of the reason I believe Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place.
That sounds absurd to be honest. Invading a country because it had some design bureaus as a part of Soviet Union and those bureaus designed the things they were initially founded for? Are you implying that Russia never developed it's own navigation systems and ICBMs so it had to invade Ukraine to... steal soviet technology? As if this technology wasn't shared across bureaus anyway
It was the case in the soviet era but that's not case anymore today. Russia produces its own advanced avionics, navigation systems and EW systems by itself and does not depend on Ukraine. Russia also produces far more advanced military and civil aircraft engines... Ukraine's industry has suffered a lot from corruption for 30 years and it is now essentially bankrupt like the entire country.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj I mean... sure. I'm not saying that there were no connections between Russia and Ukraine after the Soviet Union fell apart. The supply chain was very interconnected and things remained that way for a long time. It is cheaper to continue producing parts in factories that were built in Ukraine and just buy them instead of building a whole new factory for the exact same purpose. Sadly, the war has ended that relationship. My point was (in the now deleted comment for some reason) that there is no way Russia would decide to invade Ukraine just because it was manufacturing like 1% of parts for Russian rockets and planes. That would be highly impractical imo
What you're missing from that anachronistic high you're riding is the fact that the people involved were Soviet. It doesn't matter where in today's term they were born in, they were all from the Soviet Union and didn't really think of Ukraine as separate. In fact, if you read Chertok's memoirs, all engineers were deeply sad when Stalin passed away. So it's kinda childish to have this "oh ukraine is good, russia is bad, everything is ukraine" behavior that invalidates the will, motivation and work of all the Soviet engineers involved in all of these projects.
Only really shocking if you don't deal with anything that mentions Ukraine in anything even remotely close to a positive light. Otherwise it's expected.
I love the fact that so many russian trolls were so much hurt by this video so they just filled the responce to every comment. I thought at first these responces are made by artificial intelligence, but then looked more carefully and found no intelligence in them at all.
IDK about the rockets, but the computer designers in Kyiv definitely were more open-minded towards digital solutions than the construction bureaus in Moscow.
@@thirdofseveninc Russia makes and launches them constantly. The last one mere 2 weeks ago. Including completely new types, like Angara, which did not exist in soviet times.
Right. So after their independence they just what? Lost all that IP? They have no satellites, they have no missile force other than what we gave them. No aerospace force or industry. No air force. If they designed a lot of the Soviet stuff it stands to reason that some of it would carry over no? But nothing did. And it isn't like they don't have strategic resources. That's what the war in the Donbass is all about. All those metals, minerals that Linsay Graham won't stop talking about and is lusting over, natural gas etc etc. They have all the stuff they need to keep designing all this great Soviet stuff they allegedly designed. Where is it?
Ukraine did nothing.. Only Ukrainians did it, without claiming the existence of Ukraine, without thinking about the fact that this country exists and so on, because it simply did not exist. If Ukraine invented absolutely everything in the Soviet Union, then why, after its emergence as a sovereign country, did it have absolutely no technologies, innovations, or aspirations in science? It's strange that according to your data all the scientists were Ukrainians, but for some reason they didn't dedicate their works to their country.
One may like or hate Ukrainian missiles, but no argue about "pure" Russian stuff looking pale without Ukrainian contribution. Lost track of their missile program years as just "not cool anymore"... Heard them from time to time bragging (as they always do) about some new "fantastic" missile with some brand new bang-patriotic name... then stumbled on its codename R-36M2 and was stopped in my tracks in disbelief: does what I see _really_ mean what I see?! Is a "new great scary thing" really just a clone, a repeat of an old Yangel's missile?! So old, in fact, that it was a relic of the past even by the time I got to university, over 30 years ago?! Yes, it _is_ an attempt to repeat the ancient Ukrainian missile! And even that they can't get right, launching failure after failure? And they are even _bragging_ about it? Oh come on...
Yep Ukrainians are good at building rockets and aerospace engineers like Hlusko , Koroliv, Ivchenko, Sikorsky and most of Soviet Ukraine was a military industrial complexes that produced 40 percent of all military equipment. After the war with Russia is over Ukrainians will build a cosmodrome in Kherson to launch rockets to space .
@@nik020597 вообще-то конверсионные ракеты шахтного базирования выводили полезную нагрузку на орбиту, в википедии есть полный список запусков, будьте осторожны в выражениях и формулировках чтоб не выглядеть глупым пропагандистом.
сперва для начала пускай восстановят "мрию" как и всю авиа отрасль в целом. Забавно но факт: это случится быстрее при победе России, ведь по тому же ролику Скота Мэнли видно насколько широка была кооперация двух соседних стран, а западным производителям конкурент не нужен, весь 30 летний период незалежности Украину усиленно разоружали и деиндустриализировали именно по этой причине как наследника космических проектов СССР.
Hi Scott, you might consider doing a video segment on the Chinese satellite that burned up a couple nights ago over the south-central USA (Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri). A lot of people saw it burn up as it did an uncontrolled re-entry at about 10 p.m. local time on 12/21. It's been reported that it was GaoJing 1-02 (Superview 1-02).
@@juniperpansy yes, due to chimneys and fireplaces getting rarer these days, Santa has to been forced to adapt. Unfortunately, this has required small enough particles to fit through the fins of a heat pump.... 😮
Thank you Scott! Great Video, as always! Because of discussions about Korolev here in the comments: he was part of the group that successfully developed liquid-fuel rockets as early as 1928 and launched them in the early 1930s. See GIRD, GIRD9, GIRD-X and OSSOAWIACHIM. Stalin had simply failed to recognize the value of these developments and, in his paranoia, preferred to murder half of his generals and condemn smart people like Korolev in show trials as alleged enemies. Korolev was in a gulag until the end of WW2. He was only released to examine the remains of A4/V2 production in Germany. The Americans had obtained the majority of the parts, plans and experts in OP Paperclip while the Soviet Union was still fighting for Berlin. In contrast to other countries, the Soviet Union already had its own experience with liquid-fuel rockets. The few experts that the Soviet Union found in East and Central Germany were never directly involved in the development. The Soviets' strategy of secrecy was against this. They were kept busy with fake tasks, while Korolev came up with the idea of enlarging the tanks and using twice the number of turbo pumps. It is a popular prejudice that the Soviets always got everything from others, but that is nonsense. They also had Ziolkowskie there, the man who had already planned and calculated the entire space program at the end of the 19th century. They also founded the first space travel society in 1921 (even before the British one, which was founded in 1924 and is now the oldest in the world) and held an exhibition on space travel in 1924 that attracted worldwide attention. Btw: Sikorski, the great aircraft and helicopter developer, had already successfully built giant aircraft for the Russian Tsar before he went to America.
As a Canadian with Ukrainian heritage, I wouldn't mind seeing that Cyclone 4M fly once they're able to take up development again. I was wondering why this one was being developed to launch in Brazil (they backed out) and Canada. Apparently Nova Scotia is at a good latitude for polar insertion orbits. I'd offer them to move up to Canada for manufacturing, but given that costs are a lot higher here, I'm not sure how much that would benefit them, even when the war is over.
I understand that Russia must have been slowing you down so hard, that you were not able to start developing your own space program, build your cosmodrome and rockets for last 31 years. But I am sure now everything will change.
@@MrZlocktar Why? We founded a private space company, Firefly Aerospace, whose modern rocket was developed in Dnipro. Therefore, your arguments are ridiculous, we are not sitting on oil and diamonds.
Re: The R-12, Scott said it ran on nitric acid + nitrogen tetraoxide, but those are both oxidizers, and shouldn't react with each other in any sort of energetic way... Was this a mistake? What is the fuel for this rocket?
Korolev, Glushko and Chelomey were Ukrainians. So the so-called "Russian" missiles are actually Ukrainian. The entire USSR missile program was built by Ukrainians.
🤣 I thought you guys said goodbye to USSR ? You see, it is not enough to have a man, an engineer. Country should have enough manufacturing power to produce rockets. The people you are talking about were backed by USSR industrial power.
@ДмитрийФилиппов-в3н Said Ivan, a country that can't even build attack drones and new APC😁. Let me remind you that the entire Soviet missile program was built either by Ukrainians or in Ukraine. As a result, Russia couldn't even build a single new missile🥺🥺🥺.
@@ДмитрийФилиппов-в3н Ivan lives in North Korea 2.0 and has no access to information.😁 96% of drones are Ukrainian-made. 70% of all weapons are Ukrainian-made. While all Russian attack drones are Iranian-made. And Russia wheedled 5 times more shells out of North Korea. Not to mention hundreds of ballistic missiles from Iran and the DPRK. And especially the fact that even North Korea is already at war (there are no more Vankas🥺🥺🥺). As a result, Ukraine is fighting alone against 2 nuclear states.
Very interesting rundown on lesser known rockets. With Zenit, it seems that it had experienced a difficult development process, with the RD-171 engines, and then experienced more than its share of launch failures after the Energiya-Buran program. A book by Hendrickx and Vis - on "Energiya-Buran: The Soviet Space Shuttle" - seems to imply that problems with Zenit/the strap on booster was a contributor to delays to the Energiya-Buran program, with the first completely successful Zenit launch occurring on 22 October 1985 (pg 264). It was noted later in the book that the maiden flight on 13 April 1985 took place "almost six years later than originally planned" (pg 407). And Zenit experienced "three back-to-back launch failures" in the "1990-1992 timeframe" (page 407). On Wikipedia, the entry on the Zenit rocket family noted 10 launch failures and 3 partial failures, for 71 successful flights out of 84 launch attempts (of all versions). Included in that count were first stage engine failures in 1997, 2007 and 2013, well after the cancellation of Energiya-Buran.
They really don't like it when people bring up the hypothetical of a Ukrainian new clear program... So, perhaps they also dislike any kind of information about corresponding Ukrainian capabilities?
Is that right, huh. There are those who subscribed to this channel with the presumption that it was apolitical. That is no longer true. Your comment looks very "glowie." Discredited and ignored henceforth.
Another informative video Scott. @2.40 - both things mentioned were the oxidisers .... Shouldn't it also be burning kerosene/gasoline mix? Anyway, happy xmas dude.
Lmao at all the tankies and bots in the comments. No amount of Russian revisionism can change the fact that 3/4 of the main Soviet rocket designers (Корольо́в, Глушко, and Челоме́й; exception is Мишин) were born in Ukraine. Forget "better than the Russian designers," if it wasn't for Ukrainians, there would be no Soviet *or* Russian space program
no, it is if not Russia ukrainians would not get a first class STEM education and get to work on something more complex than a tracktor. You don't understand how empire work. To prove my point - Russia is making all that stuff (planes, nuclear plants, space rockets, very sophisticated parts for detectors of LHC CERN, top shelf IT services) without Ukraine since 1991, Ukraine without Russia - not that much.
I love how Space-X was a direct result of pissing Elon Musk off. It's the biggest middle finger you can give. Jerk me around? I'll just figure out a better way of doing it, and then go on to dominate a market that didn't exist before.
@@PrograError X is doing just fine. Still turning a profit, and instead of censoring speech, is allowing everybody a voice. But i guess you're just another one on the hate train.
@@PrograErrorTwitter _WAS_ that initially; there has been significant interference from US gov't. delartments on social media policies; 'Twittergate' was the result of Musk uncovering collusion &/ coercion of social media policymakers with or by gov't. officials. That's basically what fasc1sm means. Musk wanted free speech and had to kick a lot of butts out the door to get it.
SpaceX got off the ground because ROSCOSMOS was launching US gear like ORBCOMM and so the USG created subsidies to develop domestic launch capabilities.
Remember the near first casualties in a space crash? Russians didn't want to pay real price for the ukrainian integrated automatic docking radar of the Soyuz.
@sirex9244 Not a single word from me - that was the official explanation from russians by that time with the only difference stating, "evil ukrainians denied us the equipment by asking unreasonable amount for it".
Scott, could you make a video exploring this: If the Parker Solar Probe were to continue performing flybys and gravity assists around the Sun (theoretically; disregarding real technical challenges), could it eventually accelerate to a meaningful fraction of the speed of light, and how long will it take it to do it? As far as I understand, currently its speed is about 0.06% of the speed of light.
It's no that Ukraine's rockets are better. It's that the soviets put most of the engineering and production facilities there, because of the climatic conditions, more easy access to resources and transportation, with engineers from everywhere. That would be like saying "did Alabama design better rocket than Alaska designers ?" While most engineers aren't even from Alabama in Alabama to start with, but from all the US. Or like saying "did Ukraine design better ships than Russian designers ?", while most soviets shipyards were in Ukraine because of the climat and easier access for their ships to more open seas with the Montreux convention. Never forget that Ukraine was the soviet industrial powerhouse and that Ukraine inherited the biggest industrial base from any ex soviet states (even Russia), but did nothing with it at the end of the day and is the only ex soviet state that was in a worst place economicaly in 2010 than in 1991 (after 2014 and being partially invanded you can't really blame them for being in a bad place).
To me, it's more about Ukraine not having usually acknowledged enough for their contribution. Soviets tried to diminish Ukraine into just a region in the empire and the horrors soviets caused by doing that should never be forgotten.
@@inf11Soviets also starved them so severely that people were forced to eat their own dead family members out of desperation. They also stole their farms and grain, even while said starvation was being enacted
I live 5 km away from Pivdenmash. Most of the stuff they designed and built in soviet times was military and highly classified, our city was a closed one for decades.
Pivdenmash? What is it?
@@AAaa-wu3el en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Pivdenmash
@@AAaa-wu3el The State Factory "Production Union Southern Machine-Building Plant named after O.M. Makarov", officially abbreviated as Pivdenmash, is a Ukrainian state-owned aerospace manufacturer. Prior to 1991, it was a Soviet state-owned factory.
Pivdenmash produces spacecraft, launch vehicles (rockets), liquid-propellant rockets, landing gears, castings, forgings, tractors, tools, and industrial products. The company is headquartered in Dnipro, and reports to the State Space Agency of Ukraine. It works with international aerospace partners in 23 countries.
@@AAaa-wu3el Formerly Yuzhmash. It's full name is "southern machinery building plant", they just changed "southern" part from russian "yug" to ukrainian "pivden" for obvious reasons.
@@Slithy Can you tell us what's left of the plant after the "Oreshnik" hit? Thanks!
The best closing of a video about rocket history... "... you'll never guess what happened next!"
Right? What a cliffhanger... Can't wait to find out!
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@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE He made his own rocket company, with blackjack and hookers!
No wait. That was Bender.
Yea what happened next was the invasion of Ukraine. Not what Scott meant here.
I love the result of them basically spitting in Musks face (quote from same book that they did spit in his face or on him). Certainly worked out in the US's favor.
I was going to say the same thing! Great finale!
The US DoD/NATO designation for the R-7, Scott, is the SS-6 Sapwood.
Thanks for reminding me.
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Good video, Thank you Scott for highlighting Ukrainian contributions and pointing out some important reasons why most projects meet their end. I believe we will see Cyclone-4M actually launching and other modern project in the future.
Rockets are very complex machine. In USSR it was made y whole country. Speaking about "Ukraine contribution" is nonsence. If look at "Ukraine constructors" you will see russians. Conceptiopn of Ukraine nation is total bullshits. :-)
Glushko and Korolov were Ukrainians. The Russians even repressed Korolov for allegedly taking part in counter-revolutionary activities. But since they needed aircraft and rocket scientists during the war, Korolev was allowed to atone for his “guilt” by working for the USSR. For several years he worked at a secret research institute under the supervision of the special services, since he was an “enemy of the people.”
But the exile had its consequences. Korolev died due to health complications that resulted from being severely beaten in a labor camp (he was exiled to the Russian Far East).
yeah, those 2 famous russians Stalin and Beria 🤣
Storyteller. Korolev's death was the result of a heart attack. No camps had anything to do with it and he was not involved in any counter-revolutionary activity, it was just that his Ukrainian colleagues, as was their favorite habit, wrote a false denunciation of him. He wrote about his nationality: his father was Russian, his mother had an interesting surname, Moskalenko(Balanina is even more interesting, it is a Russian family), and he registered as a Ukrainian in his passport, because everyone during the Ukrainization began to register as Ukrainian.
At the time of designers' youth, the Ukrainian nation was essentially just invented. It was fashionable and trendy, as they would say now.
@@ДмитрийФилиппов-в3н Nice try Ivan. At the time of Korolev's arrest, the head of the NKVD was Nikolaj Jezjov, born in Saint Petersburg, Russia.
Korolev was in jail because Glusko slandered him. He was 1/2 Ukrainian.
I dearly love that Korolev hasn't been lost to history....
Korolev is was awesome. I always thought if Korolev and von Braun could have had a beer together, we would be on Mars.
His story is so ironical, so russian. They tried to kill him, because that's what they do, then realized his potential as an engineer, stopped trying to kill him, just to kill him by accident.
He never will be. He played an integral role in the history of space exploration.
Like the USA, Russia/Soviet Union extended the knowledge and work of Werner Von Braun.
native of Zhytomyr, Ukraine, by the way as well
@@Раковийсупець he was russian
Korolev was ukrainian, born in city of Zhytomyr.
Glushko and Chelomey were Ukrainian too.
Королев - русский. Родился в России.
До того как её разрушили кровавые коммуняцкие обезьяны.
Of the Soviet leaders, only the first and last were full Russians. It was a dictatorship, and together, Lenin and Gorby were dictators for a total of less than 8 years. The USSR itself existed for 69 years. Ukrainian leaders ran the country longer than anybody else.
Khrushchev was ethnic Russian but grew up in the Ukraine. Brezhnev was probably Ukrainian. Chernenko was ethnic Ukrainian from Siberia. Andropov's father was a Don Cossack (his mother's ethnicity is a bit unclear). Malenkov looks like a typical central Asian leader. His family immigrated from Turkey in the century before. Stalin was Georgian, his term was longer than anybody else's, but it was still less than Khrushchev + Brezhnev.
We could argue about this today, but SP undoubtedly thought of himself as Soviet. His mother was Ukrainian and his father was Russian. Think of it like this. Imagine that South and North Korea never reunites and they go on to form separate countries called Hankuk and Chosun that lasts for hundreds of years, and then they fight over whether Sejong belongs to who. Makes no sense for the man lived hundreds of years before the two countries split apart. When SP was alive, it was all one country. He definitely did not expect Russians and Ukrainians to be killing each other today.
Korolev was born in Russian empire, ethnically he is russian, and ukranian rocked industry is dead.
@@inf11there is no such ethnic as russian. Russia is a number of captured misc ethnoses. And Russia impire is dead same as Soviet union
Scott, I'm pretty certain the Dnepr was ejected from it's silo by a black powder gas generator cartridge and not a piston. You can spot the cannister being ejected sideways after launch in most of the available videos.
Both are true, the cartridge acted as the piston (charge pushed the piston up and booster sat on the piston), think of a mortar.
The zenith is my favorite. It was also extremely automated and streamlined operations, which allowed it to be used at the sea launch platform
Nah it's the zenit... no h... it makes me unreasonably upset😂😂 I was saying out loud to myself " they could have had a pretty decent name... literally add an h"😂😂
@@kohanrains776 it's the same word tho, just not in Latin, but in Slavic spelling instead
@StellarGale same word, but that's a name... so it's Zenit not zenith🫤
@@kohanrains776 I speak Russian, I know, it's the autocorrect on mobile phone, sorry
In theory a very impressive rocket and launch system, just never ended up launching much at all.
I think that was your best close out of a video yet, that was perfect. "and you'll never guess what happened next." 👏👏👏
Merry Christmas, Scott & your family! Stay well, and fly safe!
My favorite space channel on TH-cam.
Fantastic as always. Many thanks Scott.
If like me you're having trouble following this video right out of the gate, it's not of much consequence that Sergei Korolev and Valentin Glushko were both Ukrainian. In that era, the R-7 and other technologies they developed were Soviet. (Sergei Korolev was actually sent to the Gulag on false anti-Soviet charges before later developing this first ICBM plus much more as director of the Soviet space program. His death as a consequence of health issues interrupted Soviet ambitions for a moon landing ahead of the United States. Valentin Glushko was imprisoned during the Great Purge as well but avoided hard labor. He would also work on the R-7 and later take over the reorganized space program several years after Korolev's death.) The third figure is Mikhail Yangel, shown on the Ukrainian stamp, who also contributed to the first ICBM. Again it's not of much consequence he was born in Russia. His design bureau Dnepropetrovsk was located in Ukraine, so everything from the modern Zenit rocket family all the way back to the R-12 seen in the Cuban Missile Crisis can be considered of Ukrainian origin. Unfortunately the delineation gets buried under all the technical details in the video, if one is even possible. The situation between Russia and Ukraine was somewhat murky and their relationship cautious from the Orange Revolution in 2004 thru to Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, but they were working together right up until then, and certainly after dissolution of the USSR in 1991.
Korolev wasn't Ukrainian. There is document from place where he worked where stated that he is Russian. He called himself Ukrainian earlier because there were discrimination in Soviet Ukraine toward Russians when he began his career.
@@antonkucherov9215 My point was that some might have a hard time understanding the video if unfamiliar, but in fact everyone in that era was Soviet. If Sergei Korolev referred to himself as Russian when necessary, then that fits perfectly with this idea. I wasn't trying to push some agenda about where each person was from, rather clarify that it didn't matter, for those who might get confused about the role national identity plays in this story. Korolev was born in Zhitomir, and his mother's family was from Nizhyn, both in Ukraine. His father had Russian and Belarusian roots, but he didn't know his father past infancy. Korolev spoke Ukrainian natively, having grown up in Nizhyn and Odessa. That's why I said he's Ukrainian. But yes, the lines are completely blurred. In those times, it was a united federation, and everyone learned Russian as well.
@villadavida where did you get that his paternal grandmother was Ukrainian? Her name was Domnika Nikolaeva and she was countrywoman in Mogilev region(it's modern Belorussia). Why dont you call her Belorussian(in your logic)?
@@antonkucherov9215 Thank you for the correction, my source was inaccurate. I have now edited the comment.
@@villadavida what is the basis to say that his native language was Ukrainian? Do you wanna say that at home their family spoke Ukrainian? There is a huge pile of documents showing how Soviet govt forced every Russian who happen to be within newly formed borders of Ukraine to call themselves Ukrainians and recognize Ukrainian as their 'native language' in 1920. People couldn't get a job if they didn't agree and refused to learn basics of their 'native language' although it was obvious that their native language is Russian. It's common thing in Ukraine even now for people to use Russian at home and in public pretend how they love Ukrainian language. But the thing about Korolev is that at the time of his childhood and adolescence there were no pressure from govt to pretend about his native language. It's obvious that his native language is Russian if there is no strong evidence of contrary.
Thanks for the history lesson, Scott! 😊
Merry Christmas!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Great finish there with the Epilogue…
Thank you Scott.
So, basically Ukraine was involved in the making of starship
Well, it's more about that there is nothing really russian, everything is stolen from somebody, and the most of "really good russian things" were stolen from Ukraine. Incliding the name.
Nah it was Ussr.
Nationality didnt mean a thing since 1917 to a 1991
@@sirex9244 Russian Civil War : 1917-1922, Ukraine was fighting against the USSR.
Nationality always existed, why do you think Ukraine became a free nation? And I'm literally from the Baltics so we have the same case, except we did win to keep independence after that Civil War, yet another American or just a Russian bot trying to claim that the USSR was just Russia with just Russians.
@@sirex9244 Not quite, as the russia was still conquering countries at least until the forties. It conquered Ukraine in 1922. Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia in 1940.
@grandsior1819 bruh it seems interesting to live in parallel universe.
I bet you have classified documents from archives that show this events...
Ow wait....
Scott, you rock! Merry Christmas to you and your family. Peace ❤
Soviet space and rocket program was neither Russian nor Ukrainian, it was Soviet. Former Yuzhmash was located in also former Ukrainian SSR, but being the main developer of ICBMs in USSR, it was an industrial facility of strategic importance and thus under central control.
USSR was a jail for nations. But this dont change the fact that rockets was developed by ukrainians.
@@Злойсамаритянин-б2л Stop changing history about people that are all mostly dead. You don't develop anything without capital and country support. You did not even exist on the world stage since then and the current war.
@@Злойсамаритянин-б2л Vatnik ultranationalist (rashist) opinion detected, automatically ignored
So true! If not then Sikorsky helicopters are Russian and all American space program is German.
Good video, and nice historical background, thanks Scott. The answer is not really, both the 'Ukrainian' and 'Russian' rockets are good. My team and I have used both in missions (these all went into GTOs):
Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2004
Proton, on 1-May-2005
Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2005
Zenit (Sea Launch), on 1-Jun-2006
Zenit (Land Launch, from Baykonur), on 1-Feb-2009
Proton, on 11-Aug-2009
Proton, on 20-Aug-2010
Proton, on 10-Jul-2010
Proton, on 20-May-2011
Proton, on 29-Sep-2011
Proton, on 19-Oct-2011
Proton, on 25-Nov-2011
Proton, on 17-May-2012
Proton, on 9-Jul-2012
Proton, on 26-Mar-2013
Proton, on 20-Oct-2013
Proton, on 28-Sep-2017 (my fav mission)
So I do have experience with the mission performances of these LVs, and I can honestly say there were all good.
Funnily enough, in 5-Aug-2014 we used Falcon 9 for the first time, and its performance was adequate, but not as good as the Zenit and/or Proton. But by a mission done 10-Sep-2018, SpaceX had already iterated enough that the Falcon9's performance by then was as good as that of the Zenit/Proton...at a fraction of their cost.
Fraction? What factor are we talking about?
@solderbuff target orbit vs achieved orbit.
Korolyov and Glushko are ethnic Ukrainians. Korolyov is from Zhytomyr (northern Ukraine), and Glushko is from Odesa (southern Ukraine). Yangel was born in Russia, but his parents were Ukrainians who were forcibly resettled from northern Ukraine by the Russian Empire in the late 19th century
There is not a single recording of any of them speaking ukrainean. They all spoke only russian
No wonder, since they have considered themselves russians
And what? Modern Ukrainian has nothing in common with that ukrane as a Russian district
@@Stup1d0zz They were ethnic Ukrainians with Soviet citizenship. Korolyov died in 1966. Of course, there wouldn't be many voice recordings, and such recordings would be censored. Also, in those times, if the family considered themselves Ukrainian, it literally meant they spoke the Ukrainian language because citizenship wasn't precisely defined at the time. Please take time to learn more about the lives of the people you mentioned before you start arguing.
@@Stup1d0zz no they were not.
@@maks8751to many russian Nazis with buttheart.
Serhiy Korolyov, a legendary rocket engineer, is a true pride of Ukraine. Born in Zhytomyr, graduated in Kyiv Polytechnic institute, he became one of the key figures in space exploration history. However, it's important to remember the tragic chapter of his life-he was unjustly repressed by the Soviet regime, enduring torture and imprisonment in Siberia by Russians. Despite this, his genius overcame oppression, and his contributions laid the foundation for humanity's journey to space
Sergey Korolev, a legendary rocket engineer, is a true pride of Soviet Union. Born in Zhitomir, graduated in Kiev Polytechnic institute, he became one of the key figures in space exploration history. However, it's important to remember the tragic chapter of his life-he was unjustly repressed by ukrainians among government, enduring torture and imprisonment in Siberia by Ukrainians. Despite this, his genius overcame oppression, and his contributions laid the foundation for humanity's journey to space. Thankful Russians named city in Moscow region after him.
@deniskosian2934 Lying, plagiarism, rewriting history, stealing ideas and things from others - this is what Russians are best known for. Please, no need to remind us of this again. We already remember it well.
@deniskosian2934 Lying, plagiarism, rewriting history, stealing ideas and things from others - this is what Russians are best known for. Please, no need to remind us of this again. We already remember it well
@@deniskosian2934 денис, ты несешь бред
@@megasupadupadesigner Это не бред, это стеб. Бред это то, на что я отвечал.
This is why Turkey is trying to get the Ukrainians to make the engines for their new KAAN fighter, there is generational knowledge and expertise in Ukraine for these kind of things.
@@petunizedthe USSR ended in 1991. This means that USSR trained aerospace professionals are STILL IN THE WORKFORCE in Ukraine.
I think the Ukrainians are a little preoccupied at the moment.
@@petunized You mean Russia kidnapped them?
@@petunizedA lot of people weren't allowed to move anywhere else but Russia, by Russia that held them at gunpoint. Because of the Russia that invaded and turned their home into a warzone.
Try again.
@@Psycorde A lot of people in Ukraine aren't allowed to leave the country by their own government ;) And are put to "service" at gun point. ;)
🎅Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone🎅
@@frankowalker4662 Same to you🤗🌲
Absolutely fascinating, ❤ thanks for all your videos this year Scott , merry Christmas to you and your family 🎉
I love your show, Scott. You're the man.
Thanks for studying this topic, I have never heard about some of these vehicles. It looks like Ukraine would have had a substantial space capabilities by now, if not for russian agents off influence, which has been trying to sneak in and kill every significant defense related project in Ukraine ever since soviet union collapsed.
Great vid and I love how you managed to tied it all up nicely in the end to the very frontier of space exploration with SpaceX but a great history lesson all round on some less well known rockets. Well done!
15:28 Imagine they still had the og controls with the two keys, the only time where two people turning keys in a bunker doesnt result in absolute devestation...
Thanks for all the work you do Scott, Hope you and your family have a great Christmas!
Samara-based RSC Progress, which builds the Soyuz 2 series of boosters, has a new Soyuz 5 (irtysh) booster in development. It's basically a slightly upgraded Zenit that's all Russian made. The booster will use a simplified version of the successful RD-170 - the RD-171MV. The Soyuz 5 is the single stick version, but notionally the single stick will be the basis for side boosters three stick and five stick variants. It's still developmental, and Russia's economic issues put the future of the program in doubt.
The RD-171MV is far from being a "simplified version of the RD-170". The RD-171MV is derived from the RD-171M, which has 5-10% more thrust than original RD-170, and is made completely out of Russian components. The Soyuz-5 (Irtysh) project is tied to Kazakhstan's "Baiterek" space complex in Baikonur, the latter has faced numerous delays and is completely under Kazakhstan's responsibility, not Russia. The Soyuz-5 is ready and its debut launch is expected to be in December 2025 (perhaps a bit later in 2026). So please, get your facts straight.
@@AdrIneX All RD-170, RD-180 and RD-190 series of engines have never had any components other than Russian ones.
@@RustedCroaker Re-read what I posted: the RD-171MV is derived from the RD-171M, not the RD-170. The RD-171M (also known as the RD-173) was used for the Zenit-2. So it's very likely that the RD-171M had some foreign (Ukrainian) components in it. Hope that clears it up for you.
@@AdrIneX плавучий космодром "морской старт" так же планировался на переоснащение с ракет "зенит" на "союз-5", но частный инвестор собственник стартового комплекса компания S-7 из-за наложенных иностранных санкций и невозможности проводить коммерческие запуски в международных водах заморозил проект,уже прошло 10 лет как всё ржавеет у причала,это печально.
Thanks Scott for a great history lesson! 🙂😎
Living on Palos Verdes Pennisula I could see the Sea Launch barge and control ship in the US navy port in Long Beach. It was there for years.
You mentioned the GRACE system, I was a controller for GRACE at DLR and still have copies of the First Light printouts. I also went to the Energia centre outside of Moscow to the Sergei Korolev Museum & ISS control centre.
13:18 I'm sure someone had already mentioned that "POKOT" means "rumble" in russian.
But if not - here it is )
Scott, awesome ending!
Darius Emanuel Grouch III, a.k.a. The POKOT
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6:00 pretty big correction: the R-36 and R-36M which is on screen are completely different missiles. The R-36M was developed into the Dnepr launch vehicle and has nothing to do with Cyclone. Also the engines for Cyclone were not produced in Russia like you stated.
Noticed this also! There is probably multiple videos worth of content (if you can find the sources) on why Soviet missile systems shared designations even if they were entirely different designs (and it wasn't just missiles, aircraft to, the Tu-22 and Tu-22M are _vastly_ different aircraft).
Long story short, it was easier to procure a budget for a new system if you framed it as an upgrade to an old system.
Anyway, the R-36 was the SS-9 Scarp and the SS-18 was the Satan (I am not sure if the NATO designation being 18 was a coy nod to the fact that it was "related" to the SS-9).
wasnt the Docking guidance system for the space stations also ukrainian?
It was later replaced with a Russian system.
Yeah, it was Soviet.
yep, made in Kharkiv and Chernihiv
Generally everything good happened in Ukraine is Ukrainean. Everything bad is Russian
To be fair, Ukraine basically was the Soviet Union's equivalent of Pennsylvania, the rust belt, Iowa, and silicon valley all in one. Belarus is now Russia's Arkansas.
I somehow missed how many Sea Launch flights there actually were.
36 total launches at sea by Sea Launch. 6 launches by "Land Launch" which also used Zenit.
Happy holidays Scott!
Technically speaking Sergey Korolev was also Ukrainian as he was born, raised and educated in Ukraine, but back than everybody was hammered to be a Soviet. He made virtually no progress in rocket design save for design a basic MRLS until he got hands on German V-2 with a bunch of German engineers. Basically Souz is the continuation of .... V-2 ...
The idea 4 chamber engine was introduced by Germans as a way to address instability as they tried to scale up V-2 at the final days of war. Once USSR managed to adopt V-2 to their limited manufacturing capabilities under R-5, they hit the same issue and took advantage of German idea in RD-107.
Korolev was of mixed heritage, ethnic Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, and Pontic Greek, and spoke Russian only. Zhitomir was a Russian/Yiddish/Polish speaking city.
Korolev was part of the group that successfully developed liquid-fuel rockets as early as 1928 and launched them in the early 1930s. See GIRD, GIRD9, GIRD-X and OSSOAWIACHIM.
Stalin had simply failed to recognize the value of these developments and, in his paranoia, preferred to murder half of his generals and condemn smart people like Korolev in show trials as alleged enemies. Korolev was in a gulag until the end of WW2. He was only released to examine the remains of A4/V2 production in Germany. The Americans had obtained the majority of the parts, plans and experts in OP Paperclip while the Soviet Union was still fighting for Berlin. In contrast to other countries, the Soviet Union already had its own experience with liquid-fuel rockets. The few experts that the Soviet Union found in East and Central Germany were never directly involved in the development. The Soviets' strategy of secrecy was against this. They were kept busy with fake tasks, while Korolev came up with the idea of enlarging the tanks and using twice the number of turbo pumps. It is a popular prejudice that the Soviets always got everything from others, but that is nonsense. They also had Ziolkowskie there, the man who had already planned and calculated the entire space program at the end of the 19th century. They also founded the first space travel society in 1921 (even before the British one, which was founded in 1924 and is now the oldest in the world) and held an exhibition on space travel in 1924 that attracted worldwide attention.
Btw: Sikorski, the great aircraft and helicopter developer, had already successfully built giant aircraft for the Russian Tsar before he went to America.
@@EliHaNavithis is absolute lie. Not only Korolev speak ukrainian, but he also write in Soviet Census that he is Ukrainian.
@petunized it's just a Pyhor Pyhomir losing his marbles
@@mikesilver2283 I was born in Western Siberia. Am I Siberian? Before 1991, Ukraine was a Russian province (the name of Ukraine means side land in old Russian). We have some Siberian dialects in Russian language too. Only Siberians knows some of these words. And in 1918 Siberia wanted to be an independent republic. In 1922 Siberia became part of the Soviet Union.
Another example: my cousin was born in Ukrainian SFSR. He is Ukrainian citizen and he is Ukrainian by modern definition of their laws. But we have same grandfather and grandmother. I am Russian by my birth certificate. What makes us different? Nothing, except citizenship after 1991.
Beautiful analysis as usual and bita history
Great rundown on Soviet/Russian launch vehicles, Scott, have a Merry Christmas!
Minor correction of Ukrainian rockets. But that’s nitpicking
@@TheKakan1337 Hence "Soviet"
@@RCAvhstape Ukraine existed during the Soviet Union
@@TheKakan1337 Ukraine was part of the USSR.
@@RCAvhstape Ukrainian SSR, hence the republic part
Thank you for the video. This really matters a lot for us. Every supportive voice matters. Wishing you a joyful and merry Christmas!
Achievements of people of the past that have nothing to do with you or your country. Moreover, Ukraine has done everything to destroy these achievements and now it is not able to even closely repeat them. How exactly do their achievements support you now?
And now rockets from kapustin yar launched at dnipro...
finally a great detailed video about rockets developed in the city of Dnipro by Yuzhmash and the Yangel Design Bureau.
Thanks Scott and greetings from Ukraine.💙💛
treat half your citizens as human next time
How could you make a video about Ukrainian rockets, mention both Korolyov and Glushko, and yet not mention that they were both Ukrainian?!
Because the Ukraine thing was mainly in the title, the story is about all the Soviet rockets that we don’t talk about.
Because they were Russians, like around half of Ukrainian population now.
@@hrissan If you're going to argue that language determines nationality, then I guess Americans, Canadians, Brazilians, Austrians, Swiss, Egyptians, Syrians, etc. don't exist
@@harbingerdawn nationality is a myth. There was Syrian nationality, and there is no more. Syrian was simply a temporary title given (with passport) to various tribes (each has its own world view, traditions, culture, religion, stories about ancestors). Same in Ukraine, there is 2 opposite perfect Ukrainians - one is native ukrainian speaker from western oblast whose grandfather served in SS and was oppressed by Russians after 1945. The other is Russian speaker from Donbas whose grandfather served red army or was antifascist guerilla. And there is wide spectrum between. But after 2014 coup it is first who captured power and immediately started terror against everything Russian, starting from language. In this sense those respected rocket gentlemen were
not Ukrainian).
@@hrissan There is so much inaccuracy there that I don't know where to start. I suggest getting your information from a source other than government-run media, both for current events and for historical knowledge.
Also, if nationality is a myth, then Russians don't exist either and this entire discussion is meaningless.
The Cyclone project with Brazil failed due to the corruption involving this project
Many of the best Soviet ICBMs were designed and built in Ukraine...along with many of the Inertial Navigation Systems used to guide them...were also developed and built in Ukraine. For that matter, many of the technical (electronic warfare and radars) systems used in Soviet era aircraft to also designed and built in Ukraine.
It is part of the reason I believe Russia invaded Ukraine in the first place.
That sounds absurd to be honest. Invading a country because it had some design bureaus as a part of Soviet Union and those bureaus designed the things they were initially founded for? Are you implying that Russia never developed it's own navigation systems and ICBMs so it had to invade Ukraine to... steal soviet technology? As if this technology wasn't shared across bureaus anyway
Most of the Russian turboshaft and turbofan aircraft engines are designed and built in Ukraine.
It was the case in the soviet era but that's not case anymore today. Russia produces its own advanced avionics, navigation systems and EW systems by itself and does not depend on Ukraine. Russia also produces far more advanced military and civil aircraft engines... Ukraine's industry has suffered a lot from corruption for 30 years and it is now essentially bankrupt like the entire country.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj I mean... sure. I'm not saying that there were no connections between Russia and Ukraine after the Soviet Union fell apart. The supply chain was very interconnected and things remained that way for a long time. It is cheaper to continue producing parts in factories that were built in Ukraine and just buy them instead of building a whole new factory for the exact same purpose. Sadly, the war has ended that relationship. My point was (in the now deleted comment for some reason) that there is no way Russia would decide to invade Ukraine just because it was manufacturing like 1% of parts for Russian rockets and planes. That would be highly impractical imo
What you're missing from that anachronistic high you're riding is the fact that the people involved were Soviet. It doesn't matter where in today's term they were born in, they were all from the Soviet Union and didn't really think of Ukraine as separate. In fact, if you read Chertok's memoirs, all engineers were deeply sad when Stalin passed away. So it's kinda childish to have this "oh ukraine is good, russia is bad, everything is ukraine" behavior that invalidates the will, motivation and work of all the Soviet engineers involved in all of these projects.
Thanks Scott!
@Scott, Dnipro was in Ukraine back then too.
Dnipropetrovsk
@@zsoltmolnar1143 Yes, both city and oblast, still and was always Ukraine.
It will not be in the future.
@@brianfriedman101 +5 roubles komrade
@@ffffuchs Look at you, tossing pennies to trolls. ;-)
16:33 how do you say "russia invaded Ukraine" - "collaboration could not last"
The amount of CIPSO bots in the comment section is shocking.
They're activated by the word Ukraine in the title. Literally none of them even watched the video
LMAO, guess who got here first? Yea, vatnik brigade with their moronic input
What are you doing here, vatnik? Putler has banned you from visiting this site.
Only really shocking if you don't deal with anything that mentions Ukraine in anything even remotely close to a positive light. Otherwise it's expected.
because rusland spend billions on them, also a LOT real rusians spend major volume of their time for online hate
Mr. Manley, thank you!
I love the fact that so many russian trolls were so much hurt by this video so they just filled the responce to every comment. I thought at first these responces are made by artificial intelligence, but then looked more carefully and found no intelligence in them at all.
Stihl was such a good Chainsaw manufacturer the Soviets named a rocket after them huh. 13:59
IDK about the rockets, but the computer designers in Kyiv definitely were more open-minded towards digital solutions than the construction bureaus in Moscow.
The R-7/Soyuz launch vehicles...IMO the coolest looking launchers ever!
Closely followed by the Saturn 1/1B.
Nice to see the Ukrainian vehicles getting a mention.
@@petunizeddon't cry, ivan. Better learn chinese language - that's your new masters.
*Russian vehicles
@@petunized Then Russia didn't make single one either.
@@thirdofseveninc Russia makes and launches them constantly. The last one mere 2 weeks ago.
Including completely new types, like Angara, which did not exist in soviet times.
@@thirdofseveninc Russia had launched 16 this year alone. EU, for example, only 3
14:20 I want to know more about this "protective capsule" !
Ukraine designed and built a LOT of the Soviet stuff. Go Ukraine
Right. So after their independence they just what? Lost all that IP? They have no satellites, they have no missile force other than what we gave them. No aerospace force or industry. No air force. If they designed a lot of the Soviet stuff it stands to reason that some of it would carry over no? But nothing did. And it isn't like they don't have strategic resources. That's what the war in the Donbass is all about. All those metals, minerals that Linsay Graham won't stop talking about and is lusting over, natural gas etc etc. They have all the stuff they need to keep designing all this great Soviet stuff they allegedly designed. Where is it?
they built it and everything they made went to moscow
Strange that after USSR it lost the ability to design anything and simply stagnated to irrelevance.
@@petunized Yeah right. Or they never did design anything in the first place. That's the other possibility.
Ukraine did nothing.. Only Ukrainians did it, without claiming the existence of Ukraine, without thinking about the fact that this country exists and so on, because it simply did not exist. If Ukraine invented absolutely everything in the Soviet Union, then why, after its emergence as a sovereign country, did it have absolutely no technologies, innovations, or aspirations in science? It's strange that according to your data all the scientists were Ukrainians, but for some reason they didn't dedicate their works to their country.
Damnit, now I have to go start a career playthrough in KSP with Soviet part mods. Addiction extended!
One may like or hate Ukrainian missiles, but no argue about "pure" Russian stuff looking pale without Ukrainian contribution. Lost track of their missile program years as just "not cool anymore"... Heard them from time to time bragging (as they always do) about some new "fantastic" missile with some brand new bang-patriotic name... then stumbled on its codename R-36M2 and was stopped in my tracks in disbelief: does what I see _really_ mean what I see?! Is a "new great scary thing" really just a clone, a repeat of an old Yangel's missile?! So old, in fact, that it was a relic of the past even by the time I got to university, over 30 years ago?! Yes, it _is_ an attempt to repeat the ancient Ukrainian missile! And even that they can't get right, launching failure after failure? And they are even _bragging_ about it? Oh come on...
Ukraine is a fake entity created by communists. It never existed before, and looks like wont exist much after. You are witnessing it's last years
Potyomkin villages everywhere.
We need a movie on the starting of SpaceX really
Yep Ukrainians are good at building rockets and aerospace engineers like Hlusko , Koroliv, Ivchenko, Sikorsky and most of Soviet Ukraine was a military industrial complexes that produced 40 percent of all military equipment. After the war with Russia is over Ukrainians will build a cosmodrome in Kherson to launch rockets to space .
@PomahXomehko Didn't see any launches of ukrainian rockets for the last 3 decades
@@nik020597 вообще-то конверсионные ракеты шахтного базирования выводили полезную нагрузку на орбиту, в википедии есть полный список запусков, будьте осторожны в выражениях и формулировках чтоб не выглядеть глупым пропагандистом.
сперва для начала пускай восстановят "мрию" как и всю авиа отрасль в целом. Забавно но факт: это случится быстрее при победе России, ведь по тому же ролику Скота Мэнли видно насколько широка была кооперация двух соседних стран, а западным производителям конкурент не нужен, весь 30 летний период незалежности Украину усиленно разоружали и деиндустриализировали именно по этой причине как наследника космических проектов СССР.
@alexgood1056 подобається АН-196?
@@Inchaos42 сойдёт, до Сибири всё равно не долетит. байрактар недоделанный какой-то, своей украинской школы БПЛА чтоль нет? ))
Nice bit of history there!
Zenit my beloved ❤
Hi Scott, you might consider doing a video segment on the Chinese satellite that burned up a couple nights ago over the south-central USA (Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Missouri). A lot of people saw it burn up as it did an uncontrolled re-entry at about 10 p.m. local time on 12/21.
It's been reported that it was GaoJing 1-02 (Superview 1-02).
That wasn't a Chinese satellite. That was Santa :(
@@juniperpansy yes, due to chimneys and fireplaces getting rarer these days, Santa has to been forced to adapt.
Unfortunately, this has required small enough particles to fit through the fins of a heat pump....
😮
Did I see that right? The START rocket has 5 nose cones.
Dunno, but this contraption was maybe the most kerbal I've ever seen!
Thank you Scott! Great Video, as always!
Because of discussions about Korolev here in the comments: he was part of the group that successfully developed liquid-fuel rockets as early as 1928 and launched them in the early 1930s. See GIRD, GIRD9, GIRD-X and OSSOAWIACHIM.
Stalin had simply failed to recognize the value of these developments and, in his paranoia, preferred to murder half of his generals and condemn smart people like Korolev in show trials as alleged enemies. Korolev was in a gulag until the end of WW2. He was only released to examine the remains of A4/V2 production in Germany. The Americans had obtained the majority of the parts, plans and experts in OP Paperclip while the Soviet Union was still fighting for Berlin. In contrast to other countries, the Soviet Union already had its own experience with liquid-fuel rockets. The few experts that the Soviet Union found in East and Central Germany were never directly involved in the development. The Soviets' strategy of secrecy was against this. They were kept busy with fake tasks, while Korolev came up with the idea of enlarging the tanks and using twice the number of turbo pumps. It is a popular prejudice that the Soviets always got everything from others, but that is nonsense. They also had Ziolkowskie there, the man who had already planned and calculated the entire space program at the end of the 19th century. They also founded the first space travel society in 1921 (even before the British one, which was founded in 1924 and is now the oldest in the world) and held an exhibition on space travel in 1924 that attracted worldwide attention.
Btw: Sikorski, the great aircraft and helicopter developer, had already successfully built giant aircraft for the Russian Tsar before he went to America.
As a Canadian with Ukrainian heritage, I wouldn't mind seeing that Cyclone 4M fly once they're able to take up development again. I was wondering why this one was being developed to launch in Brazil (they backed out) and Canada. Apparently Nova Scotia is at a good latitude for polar insertion orbits. I'd offer them to move up to Canada for manufacturing, but given that costs are a lot higher here, I'm not sure how much that would benefit them, even when the war is over.
When would that be?
@@Stup1d0zz That depends on when the west takes the conflict seriously and turns the drip-feed of military aid into a firehose.
Чому нї на фронте?
I need a video about relighting engines. I wanna know how it's done.
2:02 Now it's Dnipro☝️🤓
i think everyday astronaut did a long form video of the ussr rocket factories and what got built where. i know he covers what got built in ukraine .
I personally liked the “lost Soviet rockets” video title better…I can see you use the “a vs b” video title testing features.
UDMH and LOX? How’s that for making your life as difficult as possible?
Now you're understand why Ukraine must be not part of Russia empire? We as Ukrainian don't wont to deal with this empire of dead
I understand that Russia must have been slowing you down so hard, that you were not able to start developing your own space program, build your cosmodrome and rockets for last 31 years. But I am sure now everything will change.
@@MrZlocktar Why? We founded a private space company, Firefly Aerospace, whose modern rocket was developed in Dnipro. Therefore, your arguments are ridiculous, we are not sitting on oil and diamonds.
Re: The R-12, Scott said it ran on nitric acid + nitrogen tetraoxide, but those are both oxidizers, and shouldn't react with each other in any sort of energetic way... Was this a mistake? What is the fuel for this rocket?
It used a nitric acid and nitrogen tetroxide mix as oxidiser with a kerosene/gasoline fuel.
So it was the German Moon program, Saturn V, I see.
@@Laffkin when you're trying to play dumb so hard that you actually become dumb
I'm surprised to learn, so casually by passing, that we've had space launch vehicles that could launch from a submarine.
Korolev, Glushko and Chelomey were Ukrainians. So the so-called "Russian" missiles are actually Ukrainian. The entire USSR missile program was built by Ukrainians.
🤣 I thought you guys said goodbye to USSR ? You see, it is not enough to have a man, an engineer. Country should have enough manufacturing power to produce rockets. The people you are talking about were backed by USSR industrial power.
@ДмитрийФилиппов-в3н Said Ivan, a country that can't even build attack drones and new APC😁. Let me remind you that the entire Soviet missile program was built either by Ukrainians or in Ukraine. As a result, Russia couldn't even build a single new missile🥺🥺🥺.
@@Cossack-oz4uh why then elensky have to beg for drones and armor? cope harder.
@@ДмитрийФилиппов-в3н Ivan lives in North Korea 2.0 and has no access to information.😁 96% of drones are Ukrainian-made. 70% of all weapons are Ukrainian-made. While all Russian attack drones are Iranian-made. And Russia wheedled 5 times more shells out of North Korea. Not to mention hundreds of ballistic missiles from Iran and the DPRK. And especially the fact that even North Korea is already at war (there are no more Vankas🥺🥺🥺). As a result, Ukraine is fighting alone against 2 nuclear states.
Very interesting rundown on lesser known rockets. With Zenit, it seems that it had experienced a difficult development process, with the RD-171 engines, and then experienced more than its share of launch failures after the Energiya-Buran program.
A book by Hendrickx and Vis - on "Energiya-Buran: The Soviet Space Shuttle" - seems to imply that problems with Zenit/the strap on booster was a contributor to delays to the Energiya-Buran program, with the first completely successful Zenit launch occurring on 22 October 1985 (pg 264). It was noted later in the book that the maiden flight on 13 April 1985 took place "almost six years later than originally planned" (pg 407).
And Zenit experienced "three back-to-back launch failures" in the "1990-1992 timeframe" (page 407). On Wikipedia, the entry on the Zenit rocket family noted 10 launch failures and 3 partial failures, for 71 successful flights out of 84 launch attempts (of all versions).
Included in that count were first stage engine failures in 1997, 2007 and 2013, well after the cancellation of Energiya-Buran.
17:21 What did happen next with the Elon guy?? I hate cliffhanger endings; just tell us what happened next!!!
He put on an Infinity Gauntlet and said "Fine, I'll do it myself"
@@TheDesktopOrbinaut that guy couldn’t do anything himself even if his dad paid for it.
He joined a kakistocracy.
Russian Cyber Ministry is all up in this comment section.
ISW is all up in this comment section.
They really don't like it when people bring up the hypothetical of a Ukrainian new clear program... So, perhaps they also dislike any kind of information about corresponding Ukrainian capabilities?
@@highdefinist9697 New clear. I'm stealing that.
@@highdefinist9697 nucular
Is that right, huh.
There are those who subscribed to this channel with the presumption that it was apolitical.
That is no longer true.
Your comment looks very "glowie." Discredited and ignored henceforth.
Another informative video Scott. @2.40 - both things mentioned were the oxidisers .... Shouldn't it also be burning kerosene/gasoline mix? Anyway, happy xmas dude.
Lmao at all the tankies and bots in the comments. No amount of Russian revisionism can change the fact that 3/4 of the main Soviet rocket designers (Корольо́в, Глушко, and Челоме́й; exception is Мишин) were born in Ukraine. Forget "better than the Russian designers," if it wasn't for Ukrainians, there would be no Soviet *or* Russian space program
no, it is if not Russia ukrainians would not get a first class STEM education and get to work on something more complex than a tracktor. You don't understand how empire work. To prove my point - Russia is making all that stuff (planes, nuclear plants, space rockets, very sophisticated parts for detectors of LHC CERN, top shelf IT services) without Ukraine since 1991, Ukraine without Russia - not that much.
It means that Russia is very right claiming that most of so called Ukrainians are Russians who are now forced to call themselves "Ukrainians".
so where is ukranian space program if they did it for ussr? 😂
@@jettrd_utilitychnl4230Ukraine could become good and prosperous european country if russia did not subjugate it long time ago.
@@inf11because there's a fucking war going on
Great video
2:13 clarify, when was it not Ukraine??
He just phrased it that way because the country was USSR. Of course it was still in Ukraine within the USSR.
I'd like to see ALL the ballistic missiles converted to peaceful rides to space.
Their's, our's, everyone's.
I love how Space-X was a direct result of pissing Elon Musk off. It's the biggest middle finger you can give. Jerk me around? I'll just figure out a better way of doing it, and then go on to dominate a market that didn't exist before.
Meanwhile twitter is the opposite of it...
@@PrograError X is doing just fine. Still turning a profit, and instead of censoring speech, is allowing everybody a voice.
But i guess you're just another one on the hate train.
@@PrograErrorTwitter _WAS_ that initially; there has been significant interference from US gov't. delartments on social media policies; 'Twittergate' was the result of Musk uncovering collusion &/ coercion of social media policymakers with or by gov't. officials. That's basically what fasc1sm means. Musk wanted free speech and had to kick a lot of butts out the door to get it.
SpaceX got off the ground because ROSCOSMOS was launching US gear like ORBCOMM and so the USG created subsidies to develop domestic launch capabilities.
Saying the N1 was "quietly killed" might be a somewhat incomplete telling of the story.
Considering what the Ukrainians are developing now as far as weapons with limited resources it seems they are better at it
They are brilliant at inventing new ways to siphon off money from the West.
Whar stopped them from continuing?
Perfect timing for this as russia closed TH-cam for its citizens. 😊
Reason to celebrate, isn't it? Because Russians without access to free information will be more inclined to stop the war, won't they?
yeah. when i first saw them agonize about it, it was really happy that rusobots gonna go away. perhaps*
Yeah, sure. And that's why I write this comment using pigeons, right.
@@RustedCroaker wwell, at leas it locks off people that are not so smart.
@eduardostapenko6808 Stop liking your own comments. It's looks silly.
Ah that partnership with Brazil. We proudly sent 1 billion to space!
Remember the near first casualties in a space crash? Russians didn't want to pay real price for the ukrainian integrated automatic docking radar of the Soyuz.
Bla bla bla, such cheap propaganda can you do better duh?
@sirex9244 Not a single word from me - that was the official explanation from russians by that time with the only difference stating, "evil ukrainians denied us the equipment by asking unreasonable amount for it".
Scott, could you make a video exploring this: If the Parker Solar Probe were to continue performing flybys and gravity assists around the Sun (theoretically; disregarding real technical challenges), could it eventually accelerate to a meaningful fraction of the speed of light, and how long will it take it to do it? As far as I understand, currently its speed is
about 0.06% of the speed of light.
Ok, sir, much respect, wish you to weather the storm of these comments well.
Merry Christmas!
Can you make a helicopter guide for 1.12.5 ksp using the R121 turboshaft engine and helicopter blades?
It's no that Ukraine's rockets are better. It's that the soviets put most of the engineering and production facilities there, because of the climatic conditions, more easy access to resources and transportation, with engineers from everywhere. That would be like saying "did Alabama design better rocket than Alaska designers ?" While most engineers aren't even from Alabama in Alabama to start with, but from all the US.
Or like saying "did Ukraine design better ships than Russian designers ?", while most soviets shipyards were in Ukraine because of the climat and easier access for their ships to more open seas with the Montreux convention.
Never forget that Ukraine was the soviet industrial powerhouse and that Ukraine inherited the biggest industrial base from any ex soviet states (even Russia), but did nothing with it at the end of the day and is the only ex soviet state that was in a worst place economicaly in 2010 than in 1991 (after 2014 and being partially invanded you can't really blame them for being in a bad place).
To me, it's more about Ukraine not having usually acknowledged enough for their contribution. Soviets tried to diminish Ukraine into just a region in the empire and the horrors soviets caused by doing that should never be forgotten.
@@2ebarmanwhat do you mean? soviets literally added poland/russian empire lands to ukraine, while people living there was not even ethnically ukranian
@@inf11and who where they?
@ romians, Hungarian, polish, russian, Lvov is not originally Ukrainian city, so does Odessa for example.
@@inf11Soviets also starved them so severely that people were forced to eat their own dead family members out of desperation. They also stole their farms and grain, even while said starvation was being enacted