Busted crown has no real downside. You can only take one card per card reward anyway, so just get offered the best one for your situation. It’s literally that easy.
Ik this is a joke but I've always wondered if busted crown is strategically better for very new players (they only have 1 card choice so it's a yes/no instead of a pick one of three maybe) and I think it helps with learning how to play slimmer decks
Timestamps for when Baalor picks up the cards and relic in the thumbnail (Tantrum, Talk to the Hand x2, and Busted Crown): Busted Crown: (3:19) (Neow) Tantrum: (21:32) (Floor 11 Combat) Talk to the Hand #1: (57:11) (Floor 37 Combat) Talk to the Hand #2: (1:10:57) (Floor 47 Event) I think the Watcher just ignored the Busted Crown on this run!
The beauty of watching better players like Baalor is you can pick up on the things they’ve learnt over hours with one example + case study! Really that fight illustrates two important ideas: calculating damage and accounting for worst possible draw. Most mid level players will know that if they have 5 cards they know exactly what they draw next turn and can account for it, but it takes just a little bit of extra thought to calculate what the worst possible draw you have -with regards to if you can lethal- and it can change you from a player essentially guessing intuitively, to performing what Baalor did, which in essence wasn’t too outrageous to do. Calculate your damage this turn and next, and count how much damage you have if you drew the least number of attack in your draw. What makes Baalor and other players so good of course, is that they have the diligence to think to calculate like that as often as possible, as well as accounting for all the other factors that could exist, like relics, and then have the arguably more important skill of building a good deck in the first place!
My comment got hidden because I linked the blog post from the guy who found it, but in short brute force seeds until you find one with early, forced burning Lagavulin on silent and no damage options offered prior to that fight. Silent can't do enough damage before her strikes are reduced to 0 damage. An unwinnable watcher seed would look very different, since watcher's base damage with her starter deck is so much higher.
There are bots that comb through seeds. It's how those all immolate Pandora box swaps are found for instance. Just gotta find seeds that are particularly horrible and then try to beat them. It's hard to find totally unwinnable seeds. I think so far only Silent has an unwinnable one and I think that one is like a forced burning elite in a seed where Silent gets no damage options. Already an extremely rare combination. Every other character does more damage from the start
@@mxspokes For silent, forced max health lagavulin with no attack cards offered. You cannot possibly deal enough damage to kill it regardless of draw order. You'll be at -6 str and dealing 0 damage.
just got my first a18 win with ironclad while also getting my first turn 1 boss kill and first 5 card deck, ascenders bane, bash+, 2 dropkicks, and the bell curse xD
What would an unbeatable seed for watcher look like though? For silent it’s lagavulin debuffs to the point where she can no longer deal damage, but Watcher wouldn’t really have this issue no?
Yeah, there is mathematical proof that a Silent run is impossible to win. Forced path into an early Lagavulin and no damage cards offered at all in the Neow bonus or early combats. Silent will take enough str down that she will start doing zero damage regardless of any draw order.
Busted crown has no real downside. You can only take one card per card reward anyway, so just get offered the best one for your situation. It’s literally that easy.
nice bait haha
You are so real! I, too, bend the Spire to my will on a daily basis
Deceive reality
Ik this is a joke but I've always wondered if busted crown is strategically better for very new players (they only have 1 card choice so it's a yes/no instead of a pick one of three maybe) and I think it helps with learning how to play slimmer decks
@@Subpar1224I could see that. It also emphasizes the value of shops and strategic upgrades, as well as the impact of - on a swap run - early energy
"Boss Swap entails some risk" was very prophetic 😂
Timestamps for when Baalor picks up the cards and relic in the thumbnail (Tantrum, Talk to the Hand x2, and Busted Crown):
Busted Crown: (3:19) (Neow)
Tantrum: (21:32) (Floor 11 Combat)
Talk to the Hand #1: (57:11) (Floor 37 Combat)
Talk to the Hand #2: (1:10:57) (Floor 47 Event)
I think the Watcher just ignored the Busted Crown on this run!
This crown swap deck literally looks like a watcher deck I'd draft with like act 1 question card
Maybe it's just me, but that first Nob fight felt so ludicrously big brained I'm convinced I will never be as good a Watcher player as Baalor.
The beauty of watching better players like Baalor is you can pick up on the things they’ve learnt over hours with one example + case study!
Really that fight illustrates two important ideas: calculating damage and accounting for worst possible draw.
Most mid level players will know that if they have 5 cards they know exactly what they draw next turn and can account for it, but it takes just a little bit of extra thought to calculate what the worst possible draw you have -with regards to if you can lethal- and it can change you from a player essentially guessing intuitively, to performing what Baalor did, which in essence wasn’t too outrageous to do. Calculate your damage this turn and next, and count how much damage you have if you drew the least number of attack in your draw.
What makes Baalor and other players so good of course, is that they have the diligence to think to calculate like that as often as possible, as well as accounting for all the other factors that could exist, like relics, and then have the arguably more important skill of building a good deck in the first place!
3:58 ahhhhh yes, the ilusion of choice
this would be the kind of run where you could beat the heart in lower difficult with the starting deck
There's two busted crown boss relics, the one Baalor boss swaps into, and the one you boss swap into. Baalor's is the busted good one.
21:23 We should've calc'd for lethal using the strike dummy boosted strike right?
damn and again at 26:14
I can't see any reason not to, so I assume he just momentarily forgot about strike dummy
Maybe a stupid question but how does one determine a seed is unwinnable at 0:10
A script trying out millions of seeds
My comment got hidden because I linked the blog post from the guy who found it, but in short brute force seeds until you find one with early, forced burning Lagavulin on silent and no damage options offered prior to that fight. Silent can't do enough damage before her strikes are reduced to 0 damage.
An unwinnable watcher seed would look very different, since watcher's base damage with her starter deck is so much higher.
There are bots that comb through seeds. It's how those all immolate Pandora box swaps are found for instance. Just gotta find seeds that are particularly horrible and then try to beat them.
It's hard to find totally unwinnable seeds. I think so far only Silent has an unwinnable one and I think that one is like a forced burning elite in a seed where Silent gets no damage options. Already an extremely rare combination. Every other character does more damage from the start
For watcher it's a floor 6 burning sentries, no attacks offered and bottoming eruption
@@mxspokes For silent, forced max health lagavulin with no attack cards offered. You cannot possibly deal enough damage to kill it regardless of draw order. You'll be at -6 str and dealing 0 damage.
Busted crown made this entire run BUSTED
just got my first a18 win with ironclad while also getting my first turn 1 boss kill and first 5 card deck, ascenders bane, bash+, 2 dropkicks, and the bell curse xD
What would an unbeatable seed for watcher look like though? For silent it’s lagavulin debuffs to the point where she can no longer deal damage, but Watcher wouldn’t really have this issue no?
Probably really limited defense, Wrath lets Watcher handle damage dealing for basically all of act 1, but makes blocking rougher.
Burning sentries with no damage offered, eruption drawn at a bad time
IMBAsted crown swap. All good cards, no downside whatsoever
There has been at least one run that have been identified as unwinnable.
Yeah, there is mathematical proof that a Silent run is impossible to win. Forced path into an early Lagavulin and no damage cards offered at all in the Neow bonus or early combats. Silent will take enough str down that she will start doing zero damage regardless of any draw order.
Where’s the Thumbnail guy
That was a busted busted crown
Busted crown? How about busted deck! Better than 90% of the watcher decks I'm able to draft.
Watch this