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I emailed Carolyn Hall Young in 2010. She was great to talk to about her art and her history in the industry. CHY reached out to me when I was in Iraq. She emailed me regularly to check up on me. She was great as a friend. She helped me through a very hard time in my life. 🙏 rip
The black ice series is decent, $250 for a solid 3k. .5 ohm load for last two years ( 1 year with my truck, the last year in my buddies truck with same subs).
@@BobbyDeniroX Mercedes is still bad ass have you driven a newer E class? It's absolutely stunning inside. Their expensive to maintain and don't last 500k miles how they used to but they do still make the best of the best interiors and experience
that's a damn shame because precision power was one of The originators back in the day. they have an opportunity to step into the new market and make a comeback
Nobody wants to make a comeback anymore. They're content to cut corners building and selling junk that lasts maybe 1-2 years to increase profits, because most are stupid enough to buy it again.
Ppi still has good stuff you just have to know what you are getting. They lie about the ratings so look at the fuse then put another 0 on that #, and it will be within 20% give or take , mostly take. For the money they sound good and ive had tbe black ice 7000 for over 3 years and it still works perfect.
I had the chance to experience that truck/setup in person and to talk with Alma directly at a car show in fall of 99 or 2000 when I went as a business trip. I used to have a lot of that car show on HI8 Sony tapes but have since lost them even thou the memories remain. Had a art series A404 and A600 mounted on my bedroom wall as I only used them a few times to show the power and then treated them like a trophy or the art they were. Had a life event come up that required I sell them in the mid 2000’s and to this day I kick myself. Sad to see PPI in this state of business and great content as usual!
64 flat position 10’s. Saw it at the IASCA world finals in Dallas. I placed 6th in the pro 301-600 class. My third year in row of missing top 5.. so that was disappointing. Pretty sure Alma won the spl that year. 168.something if I remember correctly. Which I probably don’t. Lol.
Epsilon is the parent company to Soundstream, Power Acoustic and yes, PPI. They have essentially gutted these legacy brands to cash in entirely on their names and history. How proud could they be of a PPI amp series they won't even list on the company website??? I collect and use old school PPI. The junk they currently sell is NOT even remotely PPI. It's flea market garbage! They *had* decent series' in the Phantoms and the Ion amps. Both are now discontinued. Same with Soundstream. The same thing has happened with the Maxxsonics owned MB Quart, Hifonics and Autotek amps. The idiots at Epsilon who have done this to these formally great brands should have their asses kicked! Everyone, please make this video go viral. Spread the word about what Epsilon has done. Damn, I'm pissed!
Just about the only good thing from PPI/Soundstream is their subwoofers if you stick them in the right size box. Of course those are made in China too like everything else, but at least they won't vaporize as soon as you introduce a small amount of clipping like other even cheaper brands.
My thoughts exectly! I grew up with these brands in the 80s and 90s and worked at Directed when they owned PPI for a minute. I lived and breathed PPI when I sold and installed it at the shop I worked at in Poway, CA. Epsilon bought these brands for the brand equity which quickly runs out as soon as the customers figure out its a lie.
@@fueledgaragetv1212 DEI didn't do PPI any favors exactly, and by then the Issas hald already sold their shares of DEI to Trivest, so they were already on a path downhill.
PPI was indeed such a great brand. Have several Art series packed away - thank God 🙏 . They were excellent sounding, and IMHO prolly the best looking amps ever. Thanks for the lowdown on the new shizz 👍😎👍
Damn, I STILL drool over those art amps! I will have one someday! See the problem here is that you're measuring the power output in standard watts. These amps are rated in metric watts. About 2.5X's standard watts!
@@chuckmiller5763 Bruce Macmillan, Don Ciarduloo, Sam Zamora and others all fled from PPI to JL with Jeff Scoon (former CEO at PPI). In fact Jeff Scoon just retired from JL like 6 months ago after being there 23 years.
I remember PPI being great gear in the mid 90s. They're probably owned by some shell company now that is obviously outsourcing everything to keep costs as low as possible. What a shame. Thanks for the vid Big D! Keep it real!
Big D! I've been watching your 12volt talk channel and noticed you said making these videos can be monotonous. Love the video's and appreciate what you do! Keep it up!
I was still in the business when PPI fell and was sold to DEI...went to the factory for a last tour just before the take over to buy the remaining amps. Glad I still use some of their old product, incredibly pleasurable sound quality out of the old dark grey series and art models.
My first real purchase for a system was 1000 watt Precision Power amplifier and 3 10 inch Precision Power Subs in a custom box and man that thing did bang, this was back in 2008
Don't worry Jon, I'm sure the better models that they are selling on the website are ten times better as you can see they look completely different check them out. If we're going to tell the truth let's put it all out there not take the model that doesn't look anything like the ones they're selling on the internet and Bash it don't destroy the entire company for something that could be counterfeit it is Chinese that's what they do.😷
Years ago I had purchased the 4500 watt version of this amp. Had it pushing a couple of punch 10's dual 4 ohm. It used to get down pretty good. It did pull a lot of voltage though. Blinky lights and such. I gave it to my little brother to put in his truck after I upgraded and it's still pounding away today 4 vehicle swaps later. Not bad for the price at the time. ❤
Dude I have 4 OG surfboard PPIs with borderline perfect heatsinks from 20 years ago. 2x 2channel 1x 4channel and 1x 6channel they are beautiful. Sad to see this
Say it ain't so PPI. You said it, favorite amp brand from the 90's selling out, so sad... Also when is this false advertising gonna stop in the car audio industry. This is like buying a box of ziploc bags with a big number 50 on the box telling you that you get 50 bags in the box, but when you open it there's only 12 bags. False advertising is Illegal last time I checked.
@@wal Can't thank you enough. Keep up the good work. Btw, have you ever hear of Nitro amps? A friend of mine gave me a Nitro BMWX-486 2 channel amp. Says 2000w on it. Not much info on the net about this manufacturer. What can you tell me?
I had some of their amps back in the day that were the metallic grey and they absolutely ROCKED! I had a sealed box with 3 JL W3’s that is still the best sounding sub setup that I’ve had. Too bad they went to $hit like HiFonics and others…
Enjoy watching these videos you do, this helps us consumers a great deal. I remember when PPI was the top tier. Oh! how the mighty have fallen.. thanks is for doing these videos and keep up the great work. Hope one day these companies will be held responsible.
One thing people seem to forget, the people who started these companies have long since sold their brand after making their millions years ago. The marketing companies that own these brands now are just using the brand notoriety to sucker people out of millions more money. That's the sad truth of the marketing industry.
@Williston Audio Labs thanks for keeping it real for us the paying consumers! Sickens me knowing that they can legally just throw whatever watts on a product that they want to. Should be sued like Rockville is being rightfully done right now. Keep up the good work BigD!
This is so sad as an old school bass head. This is why people don't take me seriously when I tell them I have Precision Power amps. Then they hear my setup and are pretty impressed. I tell them my amps are 20+ years old they don't believe me lol. I look forward to your next video! Thanks!
I remember buying my PPI 2150 to power 3 jl audio w6, had it dropped to .67 ohms for years bumping all day! People knew it was me before they could see me, nothing like it is today, but this was 1999!
Back in the day, PPI Art Series were awesome, (I still have my two A-600s) they sounded great and cost around $1 per watt. It’s sad to see their legacy defiled by this shit.
Well, guess I should just appreciate having just paid the equivalent of only $60 for a brand new Trax 4.1200D, then 🤔 Sooo... please do a Trax test 😏😂 I'll survive. It'll still be an upgrade, power-wise. Thanks for another great video - really appreciate the no BS attitude 👍🏻
Crazy part is that at the height of the audio spl competition era (1996 - 2001) this would have been one of the baddest amps on the market! We are spoiled now with class D. Class AB FTW!!
Had a 1997 PPI Power Class 450 I bought used for a hundo back in 2002. It was THE BEST sounding amp I've owned (and I've owned alot of amps). Awesome crossovers, descent power and in mint condition. Kinda wish I'd have kept it.
I know I’m late to see this but it did hurt. PPI was a dream for me as a kid , did manage to get 2 10’s. But never the amp, and to see this was upsetting 😢. But thanks for doing the Dyno brother. 👍
Same here BigD, my first amp ever was a PPI and the nostalgia is strong with the brand but it breaks my heart to see the name and reputation whored out for a pennies.
I just had an epiphany remembering back in the days when I try to start flying car audio and it was really expensive they get anything with power. Although we know the ripping off the consumer I think it gives these kids with low budgets something to brag about so they don't feel inadequate about their car audio😒. The manufacturers will continue to put these out as long as there's dummies willing to buy them, no pun intended 😂👍 I'm just surprised it took me this long to figure that out Thanks Big D 😊👋
Hey. I'm new here. Just getting back into car audio after a 20 year break. I'm gonna look for some vids on that lady's artwork line of amps. That's just so neat to me. Also, I wonder how much money you've saved the general public by making these videos, letting people know what to avoid and what are the hidden gems. Surely its in the hundreds of thousands of dollars not wasted on purchases with which people wouldn't be happy. What a great, tangible thing to do for the world.
Derek , remember this is the disposable era, don’t spect Much, not even from women but yes, mfrs are lien to consumers, thanks for the great work you and hifi Vega are doing for us.
Do you have any plans on testing PPI's new Power Class (PC) line? Mostly, the PC1000.5D? Are you willing to test amps that viewers are willing to send in?
Hello Big D. I always follow your videos here in Brazil. I remember Alma Gates used Precision Power in his Ford Bronco against Mark Fukuda and won a championship. In my cars I use old Rockford Fosgate and V12 Alpine. Big hug and good work !!
I read your review on Amazon for this amp, You are absolutly correct, but all OEM seemed to have gone down hill. There were times when Phoenix Gold, Soundstream, PPI were the shit. now its just sad.. But on your review, you said it was for ESL market, that had me cracking up. These Car Audio market seems to have gone down hill. BTW, i heard PPI 30has a car running a 40VDC electrical system.. That how they get those crazy rating.
Hello, Big D! Could you please test the JBL 14001? If you don't find it, you could also look for the 7001 or 24001. They are all from the same amp series. These ones seem to be worth your dyno time.
I have a Fosgate power 1000a2 from the 90s. Although it has the bass boost knob, I don't think it is a class d. Does that mean it wasn't really designed for bass? It's a 250x2 and the paperwork that came with it was somewhere at 1350 or 1650 ( unsure) bridged. The only other thing that I can remember about it is 24db Butterworth. ...?? Edit....never did figure out what the phase adjust was for. It didn't seem to change the sound much at all.
I Still have my Orion Digital Reference 250SX. I was going sell it and buy something more modern, but after watching this now I think I’m going to keep it.
@@wal at one point I had 3 4x50 and a 2x75 in my 1984 trans am. I loved those things. One 4x50 was bridged to run 2 bazooka 10"s. I lived those amps. I wish they still made quality a/b amps at today's prices.
In the bicycling world, Cannondale got bought up by a global conglomerate and there was worry the brand would go to Walmart like Mongoose. But they're still a "bike shop" brand. I wish this would have happened with PPI and Soundstream...
spl line is supposed to be exclusive to the wholesale house distributor so dealers dont have to compete with internet price same with orion ztreet doesnt seem to have worked out in either case.
Way back I had a 2350 that was rebuilt by ppi and recertified. It failed again so I sent back in, after a ling awaited wait, PPI offered me 2- DCX 1500.1 amps instead of my original. I accepted but ended up selling them brand new and bought some Zapcos. Sad to see how far they have fallen.
Hey Big D, I have 3 ol' skool Orion amps, XTR 250, XTR 450 and 225 HCCA, all 3 are done in the chrome finish. I know, not that unusual...except that they all feature 'Specially Designed For Robby Brand' engraving, directly below the brand name and amp model on the central cover plate. Just wondering if you've come across these particular amps before as I can't find anything online about them. Keep up the killer content! Cheers Rob
I have 3 art series. Ever since Epsilon bought the name, they ain't been the same. One of the black ice did decent, and the ion use to do rated though I believe.
Sad... Man I have a minty old school Memphis AR-HC50 you should feature. You've only done one other Memphis:( And this one is older. I believe it was some of their first stuff after changing from Fultron to memphis. Its a "cheater" too:) I would fully accept any responsibility. These things are truly bullet proof. I used to road trip the one I had back in the day for hours on end (with the gain all the way up lol) @1ohm mono in the texas heat and it never shut off a single time.
@@wal Ahh nice! Im sure it probably does around 600w but it would be cool to see it featured. Alot of people have never seen/heard of one. I happen to look and there is Aria branded one on ebay wich I had never heard of too.
Exactly what I was thinking!! Thank God there's somebody else out there with a brain. For the exception of myself you were the first one that made that comment. The ones on the website certainly do look different don't they. My money is on the fact that this is some sort of a Chinese knockoff perhaps even a counterfeit that's what the Chinese do.😷
Well a few things. 1 Hugely disappointing, especially with the PPI name, which I, as an old school car car audio person have always associated with very good quality. 2 if I could have gotten 1000 watts for $200 in 1998 I would have been the happiest person in the world. As always great video big D
So sad, PPI was one of the best back in the day. If you get a chance, test an old crutchfield amp... either the original blue ones or the latter gray ones. PPI was the build house for these, but they were never really taken seriously. I'm willing to bet theyre well made.
Good morning... I love watching your videos.... I have an old Alpine mrd 1000 I want to get fixed, do you have any idea where I can send it to to have it repaired
What subwoofer do you think is the best DD Audio. 9900 15” are the sundown zv5 15” and the amplifier m5 DD audio or the sundown salt 8 plus what do you think about putting 4- 15” DD Audio 9900 on that salt 8 amp
I bought an orion hcca 15 with dual 2 ohm voice coils and a kinetik hc 2400 battery and a SounDigital 8000 1d evo. The Owner of the orion sold it because the amp was not good enough for the orion. But the Problem is when I listen to music I start smelling Voice coils after a few minutes and I'm scared that the sub will blow. Is the smell maybe of dust in the sub? Because there is very much dust in the box?
If you are wired down to 1 ohm with that 8k, that HCCA is doomed to fail. I like Orion and all but whoever told you an SD Evo 8k isn't good enough for an HCCA is clueless.
@@j.savage1228 The guy who sold me the Orion hcca didn't sell me the amp. I bought the amp in car audio store the guy with the orion had a 1500 Watt rms amp I think but I'm not sure.
It may be glue curing. Check the sub itself to see if it's hot. If you have a clipped signal, it will run hot too. Full volume isn't always the same as maxed gains.
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Im from the caribbean and i do enjoy all your vids ! Can you do a test on a sony xm gs4 hi res amplifier?
Hey can you do a review on the power acoustik lt1920-2 amplifier ?
Audiobahn??
@@Vinyl709 LT?
Clint Richardson yes power acoustik LT1920-2 subwoofer amplifier
I enjoyed watching this episode! It breaks my heart to see the PPI brand, polar opposite of its original glory.
Agreed
Yeah at least the newer Orions get close to their rated power. This is just sad!
Sucks so hard, still got a 2150 on my shelf
@@thecman26 new Orion's exceed rated
None of the new SPL series are any good. Sad to say the least.
I emailed Carolyn Hall Young in 2010. She was great to talk to about her art and her history in the industry. CHY reached out to me when I was in Iraq. She emailed me regularly to check up on me. She was great as a friend. She helped me through a very hard time in my life. 🙏 rip
Sad to see these brands that we all loved in the 1990s turn to bunk.
The black ice series is decent, $250 for a solid 3k. .5 ohm load for last two years ( 1 year with my truck, the last year in my buddies truck with same subs).
It has a lot to do with companies buying the old companies and trying to bank on the name and not actually keep them the way we remember them..
They all doing a Mercedes job. Lowering the levels but selling it on the badge.
@@BobbyDeniroX Mercedes is still bad ass have you driven a newer E class? It's absolutely stunning inside. Their expensive to maintain and don't last 500k miles how they used to but they do still make the best of the best interiors and experience
that's a damn shame because precision power was one of The originators back in the day.
they have an opportunity to step into the new market and make a comeback
👌😬👍
Nobody wants to make a comeback anymore. They're content to cut corners building and selling junk that lasts maybe 1-2 years to increase profits, because most are stupid enough to buy it again.
All of the top fog engineers for poi now work for JL audio
Ppi still has good stuff you just have to know what you are getting. They lie about the ratings so look at the fuse then put another 0 on that #, and it will be within 20% give or take , mostly take. For the money they sound good and ive had tbe black ice 7000 for over 3 years and it still works perfect.
Never forget that Alma Gates Bronco! PPI old school at its finest!
Oh yeah!
Yep... Tommy clarks rocket science van comes to mind too.
I had the chance to experience that truck/setup in person and to talk with Alma directly at a car show in fall of 99 or 2000 when I went as a business trip. I used to have a lot of that car show on HI8 Sony tapes but have since lost them even thou the memories remain. Had a art series A404 and A600 mounted on my bedroom wall as I only used them a few times to show the power and then treated them like a trophy or the art they were. Had a life event come up that required I sell them in the mid 2000’s and to this day I kick myself. Sad to see PPI in this state of business and great content as usual!
64 flat position 10’s. Saw it at the IASCA world finals in Dallas. I placed 6th in the pro 301-600 class. My third year in row of missing top 5.. so that was disappointing. Pretty sure Alma won the spl that year. 168.something if I remember correctly. Which I probably don’t. Lol.
Alma was cool. I got her autograph at CES.
It's a shame that most of the legendary audio equipment names from back in the day can no longer be trusted.
Except Orion
It’s because they were trusted at one point and took advantage
Like almost all companies that change hands, they're just cashing in on a name that's long been gone by producing bottom shelf trash.
Yep 👍
Just like MB Quart, Hifonics, and Phoenix Gold.
Even the white vans have been forced to go to online sales due to CV! And I'm not talking about Cerwin Vega! :P
Watch out for Romney car audio products!
isnt aamp a good company or did they make phoenix gold crappy
Unfortunately there is several old school quality brands that have gone to this method of selling. 😪 Saddening to see PPI is one of them.
Very sad
Epsilon is the parent company to Soundstream, Power Acoustic and yes, PPI. They have essentially gutted these legacy brands to cash in entirely on their names and history. How proud could they be of a PPI amp series they won't even list on the company website???
I collect and use old school PPI. The junk they currently sell is NOT even remotely PPI. It's flea market garbage! They *had* decent series' in the Phantoms and the Ion amps. Both are now discontinued. Same with Soundstream.
The same thing has happened with the Maxxsonics owned MB Quart, Hifonics and Autotek amps.
The idiots at Epsilon who have done this to these formally great brands should have their asses kicked! Everyone, please make this video go viral. Spread the word about what Epsilon has done.
Damn, I'm pissed!
Well said
Just about the only good thing from PPI/Soundstream is their subwoofers if you stick them in the right size box. Of course those are made in China too like everything else, but at least they won't vaporize as soon as you introduce a small amount of clipping like other even cheaper brands.
My thoughts exectly! I grew up with these brands in the 80s and 90s and worked at Directed when they owned PPI for a minute. I lived and breathed PPI when I sold and installed it at the shop I worked at in Poway, CA. Epsilon bought these brands for the brand equity which quickly runs out as soon as the customers figure out its a lie.
Epsilon ran those names directly into the pooper. I can’t believe people still buy this junk. I guess if you don’t you don’t know.Thanks Big D!
@@fueledgaragetv1212 DEI didn't do PPI any favors exactly, and by then the Issas hald already sold their shares of DEI to Trivest, so they were already on a path downhill.
PPI was indeed such a great brand. Have several Art series packed away - thank God 🙏 . They were excellent sounding, and IMHO prolly the best looking amps ever.
Thanks for the lowdown on the new shizz 👍😎👍
ppi was amazing back in the early mid 90s.....this was like watching a 2020 remake of old yeller....you the man big d
Damn, I STILL drool over those art amps! I will have one someday!
See the problem here is that you're measuring the power output in standard watts. These amps are rated in metric watts. About 2.5X's standard watts!
👈😂
I have a art series eq forsale if interested
I remember ppi being top dawg back in 96+ or so
👌😬👍
I'm pretty sure the guy who designed ppi amps back then does it for jl now.
@@nevermindme8922 Same guy who designed Orion back then. He dont work for JL.
I always buy rockford power series when I do have to buy and amplifier. I've always been happy. Never needed to stray from fosgate.
@@chuckmiller5763 Bruce Macmillan, Don Ciarduloo, Sam Zamora and others all fled from PPI to JL with Jeff Scoon (former CEO at PPI). In fact Jeff Scoon just retired from JL like 6 months ago after being there 23 years.
I remember PPI being great gear in the mid 90s. They're probably owned by some shell company now that is obviously outsourcing everything to keep costs as low as possible. What a shame. Thanks for the vid Big D! Keep it real!
Epsilon Electronics is the parent company of several brands and many share parts/boards/components/etc
I love my crossfire c7 2k , research does wonders and having channels like this to let the consumer know !
Those are quality 👌
I had a 4200AM and a pair of chrome PC2600's. The 2600's ran a pair of 12 Solobarics in 4 ohm bridge mode. Effortlessly.
Big D! I've been watching your 12volt talk channel and noticed you said making these videos can be monotonous. Love the video's and appreciate what you do! Keep it up!
Big D, you missed about 10 strands of power wire at the terminal! Surely those extra 10 strands would’ve got the amp those 5,000 watts! Lol
I was still in the business when PPI fell and was sold to DEI...went to the factory for a last tour just before the take over to buy the remaining amps. Glad I still use some of their old product, incredibly pleasurable sound quality out of the old dark grey series and art models.
My first real purchase for a system was 1000 watt Precision Power amplifier and 3 10 inch Precision Power Subs in a custom box and man that thing did bang, this was back in 2008
Awesomely 👏
Don't worry Jon, I'm sure the better models that they are selling on the website are ten times better as you can see they look completely different check them out. If we're going to tell the truth let's put it all out there not take the model that doesn't look anything like the ones they're selling on the internet and Bash it don't destroy the entire company for something that could be counterfeit it is Chinese that's what they do.😷
Years ago I had purchased the 4500 watt version of this amp. Had it pushing a couple of punch 10's dual 4 ohm. It used to get down pretty good. It did pull a lot of voltage though. Blinky lights and such. I gave it to my little brother to put in his truck after I upgraded and it's still pounding away today 4 vehicle swaps later. Not bad for the price at the time. ❤
PPI were the best sounding amps with great bass control.
Dude I have 4 OG surfboard PPIs with borderline perfect heatsinks from 20 years ago. 2x 2channel 1x 4channel and 1x 6channel they are beautiful. Sad to see this
PPI should be *A S H A M E D OF THEMSELVES*
You're right .....too bad PPI isn't even the same company that it used to be. No longer a US company.
Say it ain't so PPI. You said it, favorite amp brand from the 90's selling out, so sad...
Also when is this false advertising gonna stop in the car audio industry. This is like buying a box of ziploc bags with a big number 50 on the box telling you that you get 50 bags in the box, but when you open it there's only 12 bags. False advertising is Illegal last time I checked.
Exactly why I make these vids. It’s unreal to me how this is allowed
Better check again. Only in certain states and only for specific things.
@@brianborell4469 Thanks for the legal info. Still sad and unacceptable though.
@@wal Can't thank you enough. Keep up the good work.
Btw, have you ever hear of Nitro amps? A friend of mine gave me a Nitro BMWX-486 2 channel amp. Says 2000w on it. Not much info on the net about this manufacturer. What can you tell me?
I had some of their amps back in the day that were the metallic grey and they absolutely ROCKED! I had a sealed box with 3 JL W3’s that is still the best sounding sub setup that I’ve had. Too bad they went to $hit like HiFonics and others…
Enjoy watching these videos you do, this helps us consumers a great deal. I remember when PPI was the top tier. Oh! how the mighty have fallen.. thanks is for doing these videos and keep up the great work. Hope one day these companies will be held responsible.
One thing people seem to forget, the people who started these companies have long since sold their brand after making their millions years ago. The marketing companies that own these brands now are just using the brand notoriety to sucker people out of millions more money. That's the sad truth of the marketing industry.
This just makes me lean more towards Rockford Fosgate even more. At least they still make under rated amps.
After the Precision Power PCX series they dropped dramatically to junk. Thanks for this video
0:37 I've never seen SPL in such a little package 😆
@Williston Audio Labs thanks for keeping it real for us the paying consumers! Sickens me knowing that they can legally just throw whatever watts on a product that they want to. Should be sued like Rockville is being rightfully done right now. Keep up the good work BigD!
This is so sad as an old school bass head. This is why people don't take me seriously when I tell them I have Precision Power amps. Then they hear my setup and are pretty impressed. I tell them my amps are 20+ years old they don't believe me lol. I look forward to your next video! Thanks!
I remember buying my PPI 2150 to power 3 jl audio w6, had it dropped to .67 ohms for years bumping all day! People knew it was me before they could see me, nothing like it is today, but this was 1999!
Back in the day, PPI Art Series were awesome, (I still have my two A-600s) they sounded great and cost around $1 per watt. It’s sad to see their legacy defiled by this shit.
Well, guess I should just appreciate having just paid the equivalent of only $60 for a brand new Trax 4.1200D, then 🤔 Sooo... please do a Trax test 😏😂
I'll survive. It'll still be an upgrade, power-wise.
Thanks for another great video - really appreciate the no BS attitude 👍🏻
Crazy part is that at the height of the audio spl competition era (1996 - 2001) this would have been one of the baddest amps on the market! We are spoiled now with class D. Class AB FTW!!
Failed like a Boss lmao!
Anytime Big D says he is "going to talk you through it"... it is not going to be good.
See what he did there too lol
Yes sir. I laughed when I hear Failed Like a Boss! That’s the low standard now.
Had a 1997 PPI Power Class 450 I bought used for a hundo back in 2002. It was THE BEST sounding amp I've owned (and I've owned alot of amps). Awesome crossovers, descent power and in mint condition. Kinda wish I'd have kept it.
I know I’m late to see this but it did hurt. PPI was a dream for me as a kid , did manage to get 2 10’s. But never the amp, and to see this was upsetting 😢. But thanks for doing the Dyno brother. 👍
You’re a car audio hero. Thanks for doing all these! Saves us a lot of aggravation!
👌😬👍
Same here BigD, my first amp ever was a PPI and the nostalgia is strong with the brand but it breaks my heart to see the name and reputation whored out for a pennies.
Couldn’t even finish the whole video
I just had an epiphany remembering back in the days when I try to start flying car audio and it was really expensive they get anything with power. Although we know the ripping off the consumer I think it gives these kids with low budgets something to brag about so they don't feel inadequate about their car audio😒. The manufacturers will continue to put these out as long as there's dummies willing to buy them, no pun intended 😂👍 I'm just surprised it took me this long to figure that out Thanks Big D 😊👋
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Hell, that would be a perfect amp for my JL 12w3 4 Ohm
Hey. I'm new here. Just getting back into car audio after a 20 year break. I'm gonna look for some vids on that lady's artwork line of amps. That's just so neat to me.
Also, I wonder how much money you've saved the general public by making these videos, letting people know what to avoid and what are the hidden gems. Surely its in the hundreds of thousands of dollars not wasted on purchases with which people wouldn't be happy. What a great, tangible thing to do for the world.
Yup. Back in the day I had a PPI driving MTX Thunder 12” and a Rockford Fosgate Punch 150 driving a 15”
My math say 1200 watts before it 🔥
This channel is a treasure
Yeah I like watching big d on the TV when I'm relaxing winding down
Big D your videos are the reason I bought two Skar amplifiers.
Derek , remember this is the disposable era, don’t spect Much, not even from women but yes, mfrs are lien to consumers, thanks for the great work you and hifi Vega are doing for us.
It’s sad 😢
r u mgtow?
Do you have any plans on testing PPI's new Power Class (PC) line? Mostly, the PC1000.5D? Are you willing to test amps that viewers are willing to send in?
Where has Sam been? Haven't seen him post anything for a while. If you know, I'd like to know he's doin ok D.
He’s been busy. He’ll be back soon
Well that was heartbreaking. Watched the vid in my garage with two original Art series amps sitting under my tv. An A300 an an A404.
Hello Big D. I always follow your videos here in Brazil. I remember Alma Gates used Precision Power in his Ford Bronco against Mark Fukuda and won a championship. In my cars I use old Rockford Fosgate and V12 Alpine. Big hug and good work !!
I read your review on Amazon for this amp, You are absolutly correct, but all OEM seemed to have gone down hill. There were times when Phoenix Gold, Soundstream, PPI were the shit. now its just sad.. But on your review, you said it was for ESL market, that had me cracking up.
These Car Audio market seems to have gone down hill. BTW, i heard PPI 30has a car running a 40VDC electrical system.. That how they get those crazy rating.
Such a fall from grace
I had an Art Series A600.2 and a the 5 channel from the PCX series. Absolutely loved them.
PPI quality less than Rockville? What??Love this channel though, BigD is the G.O.A.T. Keep it up!
BDOAT 👈😝
What up big D. Thanks for the truth 👍
Keepin it real 👌
Thanks for these videos man. Really let's the consumer know whether they are getting shit or not!
This one shocked me. I had no idea it would do that much power at 1 ohm and that efficiency 😳
700th automatic like from this guy right here! 😎👊
I bought the SoundStream TN1.1200D for $100 on Amazon. It's puts out 1280 watts @ 1ohm on the bench test.
Hello, Big D! Could you please test the JBL 14001? If you don't find it, you could also look for the 7001 or 24001. They are all from the same amp series. These ones seem to be worth your dyno time.
I have a Fosgate power 1000a2 from the 90s.
Although it has the bass boost knob, I don't think it is a class d.
Does that mean it wasn't really designed for bass?
It's a 250x2 and the paperwork that came with it was somewhere at 1350 or 1650 ( unsure) bridged.
The only other thing that I can remember about it is 24db Butterworth. ...??
Edit....never did figure out what the phase adjust was for. It didn't seem to change the sound much at all.
I Still have my Orion Digital Reference 250SX. I was going sell it and buy something more modern, but after watching this now I think I’m going to keep it.
Is this a true PPI or a unauthorized copy? I have a PPI from the late 80s and a Sedona from the early 90's. Both still sound great.
I would like you to see if you could scare up a ppi Sedona amp or a ancient crutchfield for that matter. That would be a cool old school test.
Yeah had a Crutchfield PPI amp but I sold it years ago
@@wal at one point I had 3 4x50 and a 2x75 in my 1984 trans am. I loved those things. One 4x50 was bridged to run 2 bazooka 10"s. I lived those amps. I wish they still made quality a/b amps at today's prices.
You grew up! Your voice changed! I have two PPI:s ; pc225 and pc250 from the 90's!
That's why I have one of the old School amp ppi it works flawless
In the bicycling world, Cannondale got bought up by a global conglomerate and there was worry the brand would go to Walmart like Mongoose. But they're still a "bike shop" brand. I wish this would have happened with PPI and Soundstream...
spl line is supposed to be exclusive to the wholesale house distributor so dealers dont have to compete with internet price same with orion ztreet doesnt seem to have worked out in either case.
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Way back I had a 2350 that was rebuilt by ppi and recertified. It failed again so I sent back in, after a ling awaited wait, PPI offered me 2- DCX 1500.1 amps instead of my original. I accepted but ended up selling them brand new and bought some Zapcos. Sad to see how far they have fallen.
Sucks man
These amps make me love Rockford Fosgate amplifier tests that much more 💪
Nice review Big D. That's a nice $50 amp tho. Bahaha not nice for $199. I got my orion xtr 2500 for $250 on sale so yeah I'm good Bahaha
I still have a old school ppi chrome pc2600. Want to get it tested to see if still runs right.
I have two of those ‘art work’ amps in my garage that came in an old truck I bought that was built in the early 2000s
Hey Big D, I have 3 ol' skool Orion amps, XTR 250, XTR 450 and 225 HCCA, all 3 are done in the chrome finish.
I know, not that unusual...except that they all feature 'Specially Designed For Robby Brand' engraving, directly below the brand name and amp model on the central cover plate.
Just wondering if you've come across these particular amps before as I can't find anything online about them.
Keep up the killer content!
Cheers Rob
My Guess gave PP to much credit I spose...sahhhlap! But as usual got more than my $1 worth!! Thanks D!
I have 3 art series. Ever since Epsilon bought the name, they ain't been the same. One of the black ice did decent, and the ion use to do rated though I believe.
Sad...
Man I have a minty old school Memphis AR-HC50 you should feature. You've only done one other Memphis:( And this one is older. I believe it was some of their first stuff after changing from Fultron to memphis. Its a "cheater" too:) I would fully accept any responsibility. These things are truly bullet proof. I used to road trip the one I had back in the day for hours on end (with the gain all the way up lol) @1ohm mono in the texas heat and it never shut off a single time.
I’ve tested that amp before and have the Dyno sheet somewhere.
@@wal Ahh nice! Im sure it probably does around 600w but it would be cool to see it featured. Alot of people have never seen/heard of one. I happen to look and there is Aria branded one on ebay wich I had never heard of too.
It would be really interesting to see a couple strapped together
Try the black ice 5k next please 🧐.
Ive actually run a couple of them. Not doing 5k for sure but gotta be close to or doing the 1700 rating.
Curious.
To add... The guts of the black ice are much more substantial.
Exactly what I was thinking!! Thank God there's somebody else out there with a brain. For the exception of myself you were the first one that made that comment. The ones on the website certainly do look different don't they. My money is on the fact that this is some sort of a Chinese knockoff perhaps even a counterfeit that's what the Chinese do.😷
Well a few things. 1 Hugely disappointing, especially with the PPI name, which I, as an old school car car audio person have always associated with very good quality. 2 if I could have gotten 1000 watts for $200 in 1998 I would have been the happiest person in the world. As always great video big D
Both valid points!
The orion 5k i use has a 500amp internal fuse so I'm assuming this would need the same
Oh no... PPi going down the tubes...
Laughing at going...😝
Williston Audio Labs when I was 16 first driving PPI was the thing of dreams!!!
So sad, PPI was one of the best back in the day. If you get a chance, test an old crutchfield amp... either the original blue ones or the latter gray ones. PPI was the build house for these, but they were never really taken seriously. I'm willing to bet theyre well made.
I still have 2 blue Crutchfields, a 4X50, 2X75 and a gray 2x30. Very well made amplifiers...
I still remember the Car Audio magazine with the woman that had the 46 12" p
precision Power subwoofers and Precision Power 2350's on each pair
Alma Gates
@@wal yeah that was a RUDE Bronco she had.
Good morning... I love watching your videos.... I have an old Alpine mrd 1000 I want to get fixed, do you have any idea where I can send it to to have it repaired
What subwoofer do you think is the best DD Audio. 9900 15” are the sundown zv5 15” and the amplifier m5 DD audio or the sundown salt 8 plus what do you think about putting 4- 15” DD Audio 9900 on that salt 8 amp
i wished you could find those small 500.1 BLADE amp and test it
I have their 1/2 din parametric equalizer with the voltmeter readout. Hasn't been bad.
20 PPI executives aren't happy with you, Big D. They might have to settle for Ferraris now instead of Lamborghinis.
While I have a 12 year old Honda. They are still winning
Looks identical to my old 2kw Rockville amp, to be fair ive been running it for prob 5 years and no issues
The PPI and right here seem to be pushing all those savard subwoofers pretty well
This one flat pissed me off...
PPI is joke now???
When started the video and showed the Art. I was drooling. By the end I was 😞
I bought an orion hcca 15 with dual 2 ohm voice coils and a kinetik hc 2400 battery and a SounDigital 8000 1d evo.
The Owner of the orion sold it because the amp was not good enough for the orion.
But the Problem is when I listen to music I start smelling Voice coils after a few minutes and I'm scared that the sub will blow.
Is the smell maybe of dust in the sub?
Because there is very much dust in the box?
If you are wired down to 1 ohm with that 8k, that HCCA is doomed to fail. I like Orion and all but whoever told you an SD Evo 8k isn't good enough for an HCCA is clueless.
@@j.savage1228 The guy who sold me the Orion hcca didn't sell me the amp.
I bought the amp in car audio store the guy with the orion had a 1500 Watt rms amp I think but I'm not sure.
@@j.savage1228 And I'm only on 20% Volume and I start smelling the coils.
It may be glue curing. Check the sub itself to see if it's hot. If you have a clipped signal, it will run hot too. Full volume isn't always the same as maxed gains.
@@piscikeeper Gains are at 1/3 the sub itself is not hot.
I touched the dustcap and It was maybe a bit warmer but not hot.
I had 1100 w PPI back in '99 I believe that was right before they sold off the company it was a good amp
That’s why I went with rockford Fosgate 2500-bdcp and a rockford Fosgate 600-4. Cost me a arm and a leg but I know it’s quality. 👍
This should be against the law, thanks for what you do big d
What headunit are you using for the dyno tests? have you tried different headunits side by side with the same amp to see if measured watts change?