The advanced stats show that BI and Zion were a +13 together. Also, CJ and BI were a +13. It was CJ and Zion that didn't fit. The funny thing was I got these stats from Jake a few months back. You'll notice the BI haters never use stats because the stats show that he fits great.
Haha agree preach the truth! They will never bring up zion stats this year coz its the lowest of all his season and will bring up the games where he scored high or showed up while they will bring all the stat line of BI this year to prove that he had underperformed this year yet has only 2 pts lower in ppg vs zion and everything is comparable. What a joke this zion fans are
Hey Jake, lineup should be Murray,Herb,Bi,Zion, trade Cj,Cody,&Robinson-Earl 2,3 picks for a center. We get off Cj bad contract for his age and #'s and while we have sum for him, also Cj wasn't First or second team anything soo you start the guy who was Herb, along side Murray who is a good def as well and that back court will be our key def in late games to defend and be in trasition vs this back court heavy western conf. Trust BI not the CJ.!
Carried the team? Lies maybe a cpl years ago. Zion was carrying. And his fit with Zion and borrego offense isn’t ideal. He needs to shoot more threes and keep the ball moving if he stays
@@vander-demigod Honestly, All we need is an athletic rim protector and we can get that using young talent. I like what Ive seen on tape with Yves Missi and wouldnt mind him being an experiment for the first 2 months of the season(we'll have better insight with Summer League also). In free agency rn I like Ibou Badji, Moses Brown and Kai Jones(If he's recovered from whatever mental health crisis he was dealing with 1.5 yrs ago). In minimum value trade scenarios I like Dewayne Dedmon also. What do you think?
Well it's already been said. . But I'll say it! If zion does the usual & goes down who will lead this team? (Again ). I tell if I was Bi I would want out of this shit show front office garbage, coach um I'll leave that for the moment, & the fans WOW they have a very short memory all this hate on Bi is a joke. Trade him & I think we'll make a big mistake but hey what do I know im just a guy who's a pelicans fan in Australia
CJ would be the perfect 6th man to lead the second unit. He would be free to operate as he pleases. Plus defensively the combo of Herb and Murray would be much better than CJ and help Herb to come on better as a 3 an D player.
Murry,Herb,B.I, Z, & ???? Jose,Cj,J HAWK, Trey, Missi.... If we can't find a Center Zion will have the Ultimate Mismatch every game at the 5. I know he to small. But GSW MADE THIS WORK. AND ZION WAY MORE ATHLETIC DRAYMOND. SO IF HE DID PLAY SMALL BALL 5. TREY SHOULD START OVER CJ BECAUSE OF LENGTH..... AGAIN I WOULDNT TRADE B.I. FOR ANYTHING ON THE MARKET BECAUSE nothing is a better option then him with that team... He basically helped all these players grow and u wanna say it's business.... This would be just as bad as GSW NOT WANTING TO KEEP KLAY... THEY WILL PAY FOR IT AND BE HORRIBLE THIS YEAR. I WOULD TRADE CJ BEFORE I TRADE B.I.... CJ CAME TO PELS BECAUSE OF B.I. NOT Z AT THE TIME... SO LETS STOP WIT THE HE DOESN'T FIT BS..... THEY WAS TO CHEAP TO PAY ZO2 ABOUT 3 YEARS AGO.... NOW THEY DOING SAME DUMB SHIT AGAIN.... AND WE RIGHT THERE.... LET WILLIE GREEN HAVE WHAT HE IS USE TO.... DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS HIS TEAM OR Z's .... They are the leaders and the core.... of next dynasty...
Why do we have to lose a key part of our team. We finally got the true point God we needed, why take a step back. Let's start the rookie at center! And see what we got. Maybe get a good backup for him, who could also mentor him. Who Dat!
The NBA Is dumb if they let Ingram stay on New Orleans Pelicans this season. Think about it, Murray, McCollum Ingram, Zion, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, Messi, Alvarado. I didn't even mention Hawkins, but we have a stacked team. It's more than a Playoff team, this could be a championship team. Only thing that is missing is another Center, and A better coach.
we got a center in Messi check out his college film, guy can rebound block shots, the guy born out of do season like Zion, problem is we have no coach to see that. Crash course he can start.
Happy 4th, everyone. Jake, please do a show on the perfect roster makeup. Using percentage needed from that position. What does each player need to contribute to win it all?
BI avg 20 &5 a game, you don’t find many players in the league putting up those # on a regular basis. If you can’t get any takers , let him compete with Murphy for the starting position. I wouldn’t trade him. He’ll be motivated to prove organization’s wrong
@mont-doggBeats you know what's crazy to me. Don't matter how many reports that yall hear about BI not fitting and keeping CJ, yet yall keep yelling bout keep BI and trade CJ. Stop the bullshii. If Imgram wanted to be here, he would take a deal that would fit what he is worth. Zion changes Games and takes over games. BI doesn't do that. He ain't worth nowhere close to 50 mill pr yr. Stop the BS
@adoniswillis3183 course he wasn't. Ppl forget brandon put up 28/6/6 on the best team in the league for a whole series with mikal bridges guarding him , who is considered by MANY to be a top tier defender. The only reason he struggled so bad against okc was cuz he was out a whole month directly prior to the series. Does he deserve the criticism? If he wants to be a super star player yeah he does deserve it. He played badly but mfs act like we ain't seen him dominate a playoff series before cuz we have
Trading him will be a mistake . Why ? Because of his 1 year remaining NO team is gonna offer his true value . Not even close .we already lost naji , dyson and nance. Role players like that who play GOOD defense are huge. Yes we added murray but overall right now this team is worse than the play in team we lost with. We have nothing at center. A rookie sure. Like im so tired of hearing about the slander on this mans name. He had a bad series yes . If yall think trey is gonna step in and give you 5 straight yrs of 23 ppg on 48% shooting your crazy. Not to mention ingrams ability to create. Hes by far the best passer on the team. He drops dimes. I understand why they dont want to give him 50 mill. Thats fine. But he could easily return to form this year and be worth that 50 mill extension after the season. Watch what happens we send him to Sacramento with a great coach and legit pg. Pels nation is gonna be salty as f
That’s the most unbiased comment I’ve seen. I think the funniest part is they keep saying that Brandon “wants” $50m and use it as an argument to trade him away. But I never read a single article saying that he “wants” such an amount, it’s only the largest amount he’s able to get and all I’ve read is he’s willing to work on a deal that’ll work for both sides, meaning he’s ok to take a paycut. And then they will say he is in Trey’s way. Dude I love Trey but he’s a role player. He can’t even create his own shots let alone creating for others. If he’s the first option he will look even worse than Brandon in the Thunder series even if he’s fully healthy. You would be dumb if you trade Brandon away because you want to pay Trey big money
@pierceliu9914 trey isn't what they think he is. Not yet. His ball handling is very very sub par. He can finish at the rim, he can chuck 30 footers sure. But when he gets the defensive attention that a zion or bi gets his impact is gonna plummet. He's already the streakiest shooter we have. He has more weeks of consecutive games where he goes 1 for 7 from 3 than he does where he'll get hot and go 6 for 8 or 7 for 10 from 3. Hes either cold or hot. There's no middle. He's a catch and shoot threat. Period. Truthfully i think hawkins potential as a scorer is much higher .. why ? He's already shown he can score off the dribble. Pull up. Off screens. Catch and shoot. Drive to the rim. Drive left pull up. Drive right pull up. Step back. He already has all that. I don't think I've ever seen trey ever put it on the floor dribble and create a jump shot that wasn't a step back heave from 35 feet. Your right too.... it's not public knowledge anywhere that bi is demanding 50 mill. Ppl are using that bs as a reason to trade him when in all honesty of ALL the guys we have he's probably the LAST one who'd approach his contract situation with that attitude
@Rick-ii5es I get why they want fo hand the keys to zion but thats alot to hang your hat on when he has yet to play a playoff game in 6 seasons now. Sure he played 70 games. But should we be willing to bet arguably our most skilled player on it ? Idk man . I personally think cj is the biggest issue with the offensive identity of this team. He plays in tunnell vision mode all game long. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Doesn't and HASNT played well in ANY play in or playoff games . They say his vet leadership is reason to keep him. To be a voice for the younger guys. Ok , how are the younger players supposed to follow your example and listen to you when in every must win game or must win scenario you flat out suck. His shot selection is awful.
@@joshromero-burgan9860 yeah Hawk shows some glimpses for sure. Trey’s center of gravity is just too high meaning it’s hard to break down the defenders with his dribble. I mean Bi got a very low center of gravity for his size but it’s still not comparable to other elite guards. So I could only envision Trey’s ceiling being a Markkanen and Klay type of off ball all stars, but you need good coaching to turn him into this type of player but Willie Green clearly would not be able to do that
Every dayer! Jake, why have we not attempted to trade CJ?? He’s dragging the team down. We will never be in championship contention with him. He’s a nice guy & I like him personally, but he chokes in crunch time & playoffs. He needs to GEAUX!!!
The whole thing about this is who is to say Ingram will sign a short extension? He doesn't have to the same way Pels don't have to pay him what he wants. At best you might be able to convince a 2 year 45 million but not really much less than that.
All this Ingram trade talk is foolish, we basically have a big four and great pieces on the bench to mix and match. Nba is about exploiting match ups every night. Sometimes you run into teams who can't be exploited as much. Once we added Murray we became a team that can now collapse the defense aside from point Zion. Zion is a great one on one and do is Ingram. Now throw in Murray and defenses can't cheat anymore. Would it be great to have a scoring center? Yes but plenty of championship teams have done it with out one. 96 bulls, 2004 pistons, mavs with Tyson Chandler. You just need really great players at other positions which is what we have. Stop trying to force a center on this team, let the big four go to work and earn their money. As kyrie proved, talent always rises to the top. Ingram is only 27 and is in his prime. You can throw huerter and Barnes in the trash. Also why do we need picks, we don't have any playing time left for rookies unless they are at center
Man, I don't know what it is with you about CJ, but CJ is the weakest link. It doesn't matter if CJ is hitting 3s, especially if he's letting the guy he's guarding to hit them as well Call Brooklyn, and offer CJ for Ben Simmons and some picks. Simmons may be overpaid, but at least it's an expiring contract....
An extension is good or bad based on the yearly salary he signs for. Personally I like the idea of resigning him, trading for another young center, and finding another cheap veteran center. Incremental changes. If the perfect trade doesn’t materialize, don’t over reach. BI is still a valuable asset and this team still has to show playoff success for contention.
Both Harrison Barnes & Kevin Huerter are starters on a winning team & have been starters since they came in the league. 1 of them & a 1st can be flipped for a quality center. I'm prefer to keep Barnes as he can back up Zion or start in the front court in case of injury. I don't think its a bad trade if you can't trade BI for a top center.
Particularly interested in how the team, in general, manages Herb and Trey. They fill similar roles but excel in different areas - Trey's shooting and Herb's defence. Both feel like they should start and seems awfully difficult to do with BI. But I understand why we would also keep him.
Last year they were trading Zion all summer and now it's B I. I'm not sure if anyone is paying attention to the fact that quietly we have a top 3 starting 5 in the league. Dejuante, CJ, Herb, B.I & Zion.
Pels need to trade BI for Jarrett Allen asap, I am hearing that Allen doesn't fit with Mobley. CJ will only be effective as a sixth man, in my opinion. If Brandon is gone, Trey can start, if CJ is gone Herb can start and he plays better defense than CJ.
Yes I agree but the pelicans paid media are trying to desensitize the fans. Brandon not getting traded to the deadline if even that. I hope I'm wrong....
I think Ingram might take less for a player or Dejounte Murray's caliber. He has the point guard he asked for. Center is a glaring hole. JV should feel disrespected, and gonna be missed. Man is a solider, never miss a game, mister double double. The only other answer is u make Trey/Zion a 5. OKC scary now with big men and we have none. idk im confused. But Z, BI, Murray, CJ, Trey/Herb. is a crazy starting 5. I like keeping CJ, like Chris paul is a good idea for spurs. West got cut throat and scary. CJ 6 man of the year might be the play.
Can’t start cj if he’s being traded next offseason. That would stunt herb jones growth and would just be stupid. What is this infatuation with cj? Ppl keep saying cj not coming off the bench. Why not?
TRADE ZION!! If you put up a silhouette of an NBA player, underneath you had Zion’s stats, and games played, and the caption said, “This player hasn’t played a single playoff game in 5 years,” would you build your team around him??? HELL NO! We’re talking about trading Brandon before we get no value for him. At least Brandon has showed he can win you playoff games. This past season, he was hurt. But before then, we didn’t have those questions. I also feel this is a great time to force Brandon to shoot more 3s, change his shot selection some due to how poorly he played this past season. Something has to change and I think Brandon has the work ethic to do so… Zion on the other hand. You need such specific lineups for him because of his poor spacing. He’s ALWAYS hurt. And honestly, I feel like his explosiveness isn’t like it used to be, and he’s still so young. If he’s regressing in explosiveness already, imagine the next 3-5 years. It won’t get any better… I’m trading Zion while he still has value. If we don’t pay or trade Brandon, he may walk for nothing. But if Zion is hurt another year, his trade value will TANK!! This isn’t just a make it or break it year for BI, but Zion’s value will tank if he’s not healthy next season. And this is the guy we’re building our team around… Absolutely pathetic. Zion has failed us 5 years in a row and a 6th year won’t be any different.
Having a guy that can defend and shoot 3s...he is the ideal wing the league is being built upon. No point in trading him, and need quality players, a guy that could make an All-NBA team, in the event Zion doesn't work out and we need to pivot to trading him.
We are bringing him back, Griff has been wanting to do this the whole time. We are screwed on center. We will be going cheap and hope our rookie will pan out.
Pelicans just need to go with young, cheap, and serviceable centers. Missi(block shots and rebound, has a decent post-game), Matkovic (can defend the paint, rebound, and shoot 3s), and try to find an undrafted 7-foot diamond in the rough like Jose and Naji were. Look at what Dallas did with Gafford and Lively, they weren't superstar centers but they hustled and did the little things.
I don’t care what you heard jake DJ will start and Herb will start so no room for CJ plus Hawk will not get minutes with CJ Jose & DJ just trade CJ for a Center and pay BI a lil less
CJ should be a backup going forward. He can organize the second unit and play against lesser players. Two forty percent three point shooters, Herb and Trey are the wings for the foreseeable future.
Let's say BI is a FA. How many players received max contracts this off season. 1 PG. Are the Clippers way worse really? The new salary cap makes it very difficult to get a max contract as a unrestricted FA.
Ingram is the reason this team is even relevant. One Injured series and now all of a sudden he don’t fit. Most of Trey 3s come off BI getting doubled and having the court vision and IQ to find him. Jose is right hand man. Trey his protege and when him and Zion healthy Nola is a hard team to beat. I would say send CJ to the bench he would torch any team in the league off the bench automatic 6moty…. Start Murray Herb Ingram Murphy and Zion…. Everyone most learn to box out and Rebound… get Dwight he can still be productive gives you rim protection and rebounding… Grab Cousins as well both on minimum contracts… Still got Hawk and Ryan and Alvarado & the rookie so the guard position is good… ppl forget when Brandon and Zion both in the floor not many teams can beat them… now with Murray and CJ you got two players who can hold it down if the injury bug hits Zion and BI… with this roster Nola one center away from being the best in the west…. You gotta see it thru at this point
I’d extend BI,maybe give him a 2-3 yr deal & we’ll see where we’re at afterwards. Dude can ball,defensively he’s a bit of a liability but that’s something the team had to address.
Herb Jones was the only Guard/Forward to be awarded 1st Team All-Defense… you CANNOT put him on the bench. He’s the reason our defense was as good as it was. You also CANNOT trade him. His level of production and the cheap contract he has. You can’t let that go. OG Anunoby got 5yr $212mm. And I’m not saying OG is a bad player, but 4yr $54mm. Herb has to start and you cannot trade him due to his production and the flexibility his contract allows the team to upgrade
Why do some people think BI is a good fit on the pels? He plays the opposite of how the team wants to play, his skills arent doubted but his fit is and his play on the court doesn’t mesh well with their best player. Not quite sure how some “fans” dont understand that.
i dont understand why we wouldnt keep the prototypical offensive small forward who has made strides on defense in the middle of his prime. maybe im delusional i dont know, d murray as the 3rd option and cj as the 4th with herb, trey murphy, jose, and hawkins coming off the bench dont sound bad but i dont know maybe im delusional
You still will be paying his salary if you trade him now. Brandon is one of the top players in the league. If you can't get at least equal value in a trade, I would keep him.
It would be great to keep B.I as he's the teams best player... otherwise with the Moves made this summer this far the Pells look like they got weaker defensively. If there was one takeaway from last season's playoffs -- the teams that made it the farthest tended to be the best defensively -- especially the Celtics.
Jake, why can’t we trade for a center?? Surely there is some kind of trade the Pels could devise to pair BI with a couple of other pieces to get SOMEBODY that can protect the rim!! Many teams have two centers, and we don’t have one, excluding the rookie Messi! Jonas is gone, Larry is gone…WE NEED A CENTER, AND NEED ONE NOW!! Cody is good in spurts but everyone knows he’s not the answer.
You don’t know if BI fits him and Zion haven’t played with a point guard together.., Also he’s a 26 year old all star who going to emerge into a superstar.. just run it the hell back with Murray… if anything fire the damn coach!!!
B.I will be a ALL Star this year hands down..... He is still the best option on offense... It was easy for OKC too set defense to stop on person. They knew the offense was gonna come from him.... IF YOUR SUPERSTAR HASNT BEEN AVAILABLE IN EITHER PLAYOFF APPERENCE DO U REALLY BLAME B.I.???? FOR HIS LEG BEING BENT OTHER WAY AND STILL TRYNA BATTLE..... NBA IS SOFT NOW.... KOBE PLAYED THROUGH EVERYTHING.... AND ITS EASY TO POINT FINGERS AT THE ONES WHO OUT THERE. BUT IF THEY WERE HEALTHY OKC WOULDVE LOST 4-1 .... BREAK UP B.I AND ZION AND LOSE THE CHANCE TO BE #1 ALL YEAR AND WIN CHAMPIONSHIP. OR KEEP THEM TOGETHER AND LET THEM GET HEALTHY... I WOULD BE CALLING LAKERS ABOUT BRINGING J HAYES BACK. ALL THE 5'S ARE GONE SO U NEED SOMEONE CHEAP
Bi is below average at playing off of other and isn’t the best fit for Zion. He relies too heavily on mid range shots to be beneficial enough for Zion and can’t consistently shoot 3s. He’s shown it in the Olympics that he needs to be the number 1 option in order to effectively perform and if you don’t understand why he doesn’t fit with Zion then your ball knowledge just isn’t high enough
You can use any words you want(fit). Regardless.. our starting forwards do not make enough 3-point shots. Period. End of discussion. Until that changes, we will never compete for a championship.
If i were the pelicans ill trade zion for alperen sengun, or wemby or any star center. Then ill start murray, herb, bi, trey and star center with cj as 6th man. In that way i wont worry any more about injury issues with zion and his one dimensional move. Haha
Coz if they are going to trade bi who wants to be in the city they will regret. In a few years, zion leaving new orleans after his contract expire. He was never sold to the city of New Orleans as much as BI is.
Z been out most of time as player but trade the player who kept us afloat and is fan favorite isnt a good move. This looks bad this is why no one wants to come to NeW Orleans.
keep Ingram he was hurt in the play-off don`t get rid of him yet, could hurt the moral, and as far as centers go that guy Missi ought to be the starting center right off the bat, he`s like Zion a player born out of do season, he will catch on quick. If you play for Green anybody can catch on quick of a no Coach.
no u know what hurts moral? trying to trade someone for months, publicly, then bring him back at reduced minutes... we'll get what we can get for BI and at worst parlay picks into depth and flexibility I like missi too. lemme see some matkovic too idc
The advanced stats show that BI and Zion were a +13 together. Also, CJ and BI were a +13. It was CJ and Zion that didn't fit. The funny thing was I got these stats from Jake a few months back. You'll notice the BI haters never use stats because the stats show that he fits great.
They won't use it because it doesn't fit their narrative
Haha agree preach the truth! They will never bring up zion stats this year coz its the lowest of all his season and will bring up the games where he scored high or showed up while they will bring all the stat line of BI this year to prove that he had underperformed this year yet has only 2 pts lower in ppg vs zion and everything is comparable. What a joke this zion fans are
Yes but nobody wants CJ. They barely want b.i right now. How the pelicans gonna get a center?
@@virginmax They want BI, teams want to know that he will resign if they trade for him, they don't want to lose assets for nothing
@@novacain943 B.I will resign. He's not a fool. Unless it's a team like the hornets or wizards, he will resign. No problems should arise there.
Hey Jake, lineup should be Murray,Herb,Bi,Zion, trade Cj,Cody,&Robinson-Earl 2,3 picks for a center. We get off Cj bad contract for his age and #'s and while we have sum for him, also Cj wasn't First or second team anything soo you start the guy who was Herb, along side Murray who is a good def as well and that back court will be our key def in late games to defend and be in trasition vs this back court heavy western conf. Trust BI not the CJ.!
Saying BI is not a fit is BS. He literally carried the team last year and the only reason he struggled in the 1st rd was due to injury.
Exactly
Carried the team? Lies maybe a cpl years ago. Zion was carrying. And his fit with Zion and borrego offense isn’t ideal. He needs to shoot more threes and keep the ball moving if he stays
If we are to keep BI, who do you want to be our starting center?
@@vander-demigod Honestly, All we need is an athletic rim protector and we can get that using young talent. I like what Ive seen on tape with Yves Missi and wouldnt mind him being an experiment for the first 2 months of the season(we'll have better insight with Summer League also). In free agency rn I like Ibou Badji, Moses Brown and Kai Jones(If he's recovered from whatever mental health crisis he was dealing with 1.5 yrs ago). In minimum value trade scenarios I like Dewayne Dedmon also. What do you think?
Well it's already been said. . But I'll say it! If zion does the usual & goes down who will lead this team? (Again ). I tell if I was Bi I would want out of this shit show front office garbage, coach um I'll leave that for the moment, & the fans WOW they have a very short memory all this hate on Bi is a joke. Trade him & I think we'll make a big mistake but hey what do I know im just a guy who's a pelicans fan in Australia
Keep BI remember what happen with Jrue and Josh
No deal is better than a bad deal
Would disagree. Extending him on a good contract is better than no deal. A bad deal is still better than nothing.
I don't think we need Ingram anymore we have Trey and Herb that can play the 3 and we drafted Antonio Reeves and Murray can play 1 through 3
CJ would be the perfect 6th man to lead the second unit. He would be free to operate as he pleases. Plus defensively the combo of Herb and Murray would be much better than CJ and help Herb to come on better as a 3 an D player.
Yep, then we would have a vet to lead and direct the younger pels. My only question is how can we get Jose and Hawkins on the court.
@@walk4jesusinternationaldis269 a scheme of Jose Hawkins CJ Murphy and a bakup center would be interesting to see
Agreed. I've been pushing for it since mid-season, and with Murray here now and Trey ready to start, it just makes that much more sense.
Murry,Herb,B.I, Z, & ????
Jose,Cj,J HAWK, Trey, Missi....
If we can't find a Center Zion will have the Ultimate Mismatch every game at the 5. I know he to small. But GSW MADE THIS WORK. AND ZION WAY MORE ATHLETIC DRAYMOND. SO IF HE DID PLAY SMALL BALL 5. TREY SHOULD START OVER CJ BECAUSE OF LENGTH..... AGAIN I WOULDNT TRADE B.I. FOR ANYTHING ON THE MARKET BECAUSE nothing is a better option then him with that team... He basically helped all these players grow and u wanna say it's business.... This would be just as bad as GSW NOT WANTING TO KEEP KLAY... THEY WILL PAY FOR IT AND BE HORRIBLE THIS YEAR. I WOULD TRADE CJ BEFORE I TRADE B.I.... CJ CAME TO PELS BECAUSE OF B.I. NOT Z AT THE TIME... SO LETS STOP WIT THE HE DOESN'T FIT BS..... THEY WAS TO CHEAP TO PAY ZO2 ABOUT 3 YEARS AGO.... NOW THEY DOING SAME DUMB SHIT AGAIN.... AND WE RIGHT THERE.... LET WILLIE GREEN HAVE WHAT HE IS USE TO.... DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS HIS TEAM OR Z's .... They are the leaders and the core.... of next dynasty...
Pels paid CJ 33 million aint no way in hell they are letting him come off the beach 😂
Why do we have to lose a key part of our team. We finally got the true point God we needed, why take a step back. Let's start the rookie at center! And see what we got. Maybe get a good backup for him, who could also mentor him. Who Dat!
Extend Ingram . Only right move
He only wants the max. He is not worth anything close to 50 mill
Trade CJ + pick for Ayton or Wendell Carter Jr
No
The NBA Is dumb if they let Ingram stay on New Orleans Pelicans this season. Think about it, Murray, McCollum Ingram, Zion, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, Messi, Alvarado. I didn't even mention Hawkins, but we have a stacked team. It's more than a Playoff team, this could be a championship team. Only thing that is missing is another Center, and A better coach.
we got a center in Messi check out his college film, guy can rebound block shots, the guy born out of do season like Zion, problem is we have no coach to see that. Crash course he can start.
WE GOT MESSI DAWG !!!!
New Orleans should do what the warriors did to Klay Thompson this last season play Brandon and let him prove if he wants that max deal
I wouldn’t start Cj
Yeah we need herb out there
Happy 4th, everyone. Jake, please do a show on the perfect roster makeup. Using percentage needed from that position. What does each player need to contribute to win it all?
Murray and Herb works
BI avg 20 &5 a game, you don’t find many players in the league putting up those # on a regular basis. If you can’t get any takers , let him compete with Murphy for the starting position. I wouldn’t trade him. He’ll be motivated to prove organization’s wrong
Compete with murphy lets me know. This channel is a cult channel
Yep. He was 34th for ppg, 24th in assists. Lotta guys can be top 20 in one of those categories but bad in another.
Bi had years to get us somewhere where did he get us , at the house if we someone 50 mil a year it's not going to be him
@mont-doggBeats you know what's crazy to me. Don't matter how many reports that yall hear about BI not fitting and keeping CJ, yet yall keep yelling bout keep BI and trade CJ. Stop the bullshii. If Imgram wanted to be here, he would take a deal that would fit what he is worth. Zion changes Games and takes over games. BI doesn't do that. He ain't worth nowhere close to 50 mill pr yr. Stop the BS
Yea but if u keep him your going have to pay him if not he might walk and you get nothing
murray jones murphy williamson n center* the only lineup i wan see
He wasn’t saying trade him after phx series when he was fully healthy smfh
@adoniswillis3183 course he wasn't. Ppl forget brandon put up 28/6/6 on the best team in the league for a whole series with mikal bridges guarding him , who is considered by MANY to be a top tier defender. The only reason he struggled so bad against okc was cuz he was out a whole month directly prior to the series. Does he deserve the criticism? If he wants to be a super star player yeah he does deserve it. He played badly but mfs act like we ain't seen him dominate a playoff series before cuz we have
Shamit Dua wrote a column about the traded player exception, and waiting out the Cavaliers on Allen. Thoughts?
Trading him will be a mistake . Why ? Because of his 1 year remaining NO team is gonna offer his true value . Not even close .we already lost naji , dyson and nance. Role players like that who play GOOD defense are huge. Yes we added murray but overall right now this team is worse than the play in team we lost with. We have nothing at center. A rookie sure. Like im so tired of hearing about the slander on this mans name. He had a bad series yes . If yall think trey is gonna step in and give you 5 straight yrs of 23 ppg on 48% shooting your crazy. Not to mention ingrams ability to create. Hes by far the best passer on the team. He drops dimes. I understand why they dont want to give him 50 mill. Thats fine. But he could easily return to form this year and be worth that 50 mill extension after the season. Watch what happens we send him to Sacramento with a great coach and legit pg. Pels nation is gonna be salty as f
Haha true. They just want to trade him so zion fans can claim their zion as the alpha of the team. What a joke
That’s the most unbiased comment I’ve seen. I think the funniest part is they keep saying that Brandon “wants” $50m and use it as an argument to trade him away. But I never read a single article saying that he “wants” such an amount, it’s only the largest amount he’s able to get and all I’ve read is he’s willing to work on a deal that’ll work for both sides, meaning he’s ok to take a paycut. And then they will say he is in Trey’s way. Dude I love Trey but he’s a role player. He can’t even create his own shots let alone creating for others. If he’s the first option he will look even worse than Brandon in the Thunder series even if he’s fully healthy. You would be dumb if you trade Brandon away because you want to pay Trey big money
@pierceliu9914 trey isn't what they think he is. Not yet. His ball handling is very very sub par. He can finish at the rim, he can chuck 30 footers sure. But when he gets the defensive attention that a zion or bi gets his impact is gonna plummet. He's already the streakiest shooter we have. He has more weeks of consecutive games where he goes 1 for 7 from 3 than he does where he'll get hot and go 6 for 8 or 7 for 10 from 3. Hes either cold or hot. There's no middle. He's a catch and shoot threat. Period. Truthfully i think hawkins potential as a scorer is much higher .. why ? He's already shown he can score off the dribble. Pull up. Off screens. Catch and shoot. Drive to the rim. Drive left pull up. Drive right pull up. Step back. He already has all that. I don't think I've ever seen trey ever put it on the floor dribble and create a jump shot that wasn't a step back heave from 35 feet. Your right too.... it's not public knowledge anywhere that bi is demanding 50 mill. Ppl are using that bs as a reason to trade him when in all honesty of ALL the guys we have he's probably the LAST one who'd approach his contract situation with that attitude
@Rick-ii5es I get why they want fo hand the keys to zion but thats alot to hang your hat on when he has yet to play a playoff game in 6 seasons now. Sure he played 70 games. But should we be willing to bet arguably our most skilled player on it ? Idk man . I personally think cj is the biggest issue with the offensive identity of this team. He plays in tunnell vision mode all game long. Doesn't play a lick of defense. Doesn't and HASNT played well in ANY play in or playoff games . They say his vet leadership is reason to keep him. To be a voice for the younger guys. Ok , how are the younger players supposed to follow your example and listen to you when in every must win game or must win scenario you flat out suck. His shot selection is awful.
@@joshromero-burgan9860 yeah Hawk shows some glimpses for sure. Trey’s center of gravity is just too high meaning it’s hard to break down the defenders with his dribble. I mean Bi got a very low center of gravity for his size but it’s still not comparable to other elite guards. So I could only envision Trey’s ceiling being a Markkanen and Klay type of off ball all stars, but you need good coaching to turn him into this type of player but Willie Green clearly would not be able to do that
Every dayer! Jake, why have we not attempted to trade CJ?? He’s dragging the team down. We will never be in championship contention with him. He’s a nice guy & I like him personally, but he chokes in crunch time & playoffs. He needs to GEAUX!!!
The whole thing about this is who is to say Ingram will sign a short extension? He doesn't have to the same way Pels don't have to pay him what he wants. At best you might be able to convince a 2 year 45 million but not really much less than that.
Yeah that 4 year or 3 year will not be bad
All this Ingram trade talk is foolish, we basically have a big four and great pieces on the bench to mix and match. Nba is about exploiting match ups every night. Sometimes you run into teams who can't be exploited as much. Once we added Murray we became a team that can now collapse the defense aside from point Zion. Zion is a great one on one and do is Ingram. Now throw in Murray and defenses can't cheat anymore. Would it be great to have a scoring center? Yes but plenty of championship teams have done it with out one. 96 bulls, 2004 pistons, mavs with Tyson Chandler. You just need really great players at other positions which is what we have. Stop trying to force a center on this team, let the big four go to work and earn their money. As kyrie proved, talent always rises to the top. Ingram is only 27 and is in his prime. You can throw huerter and Barnes in the trash. Also why do we need picks, we don't have any playing time left for rookies unless they are at center
At the center position, are you looking for more athleticism and defense or prefer floor spacing?
Man, I don't know what it is with you about CJ, but CJ is the weakest link. It doesn't matter if CJ is hitting 3s, especially if he's letting the guy he's guarding to hit them as well
Call Brooklyn, and offer CJ for Ben Simmons and some picks. Simmons may be overpaid, but at least it's an expiring contract....
Pels waited and waited on getting a center. Teams now know Pels may be getting desperate. Not a good situation.
An extension is good or bad based on the yearly salary he signs for. Personally I like the idea of resigning him, trading for another young center, and finding another cheap veteran center. Incremental changes. If the perfect trade doesn’t materialize, don’t over reach. BI is still a valuable asset and this team still has to show playoff success for contention.
Who does the negotiating in these trade discussions, Bryson or Griff?
Both Harrison Barnes & Kevin Huerter are starters on a winning team & have been starters since they came in the league. 1 of them & a 1st can be flipped for a quality center. I'm prefer to keep Barnes as he can back up Zion or start in the front court in case of injury. I don't think its a bad trade if you can't trade BI for a top center.
Exactly
Trade Ingram for Desmond bane
Jake can you confirm this Brandon Ingram traded to the Miami heat for Tyler Herro and Caleb Martin
Bro you are reading a bleacher report article that makes fake trade suggestions lol
He does fit this team
Particularly interested in how the team, in general, manages Herb and Trey. They fill similar roles but excel in different areas - Trey's shooting and Herb's defence.
Both feel like they should start and seems awfully difficult to do with BI. But I understand why we would also keep him.
happy 4th yall
Appreciate you bro 💯
What would a traid look like trading for Deandre Ayton to Pels ?
jake did we give up on Naz Reid being perfect fit? is he gettable?
Last year they were trading Zion all summer and now it's B I. I'm not sure if anyone is paying attention to the fact that quietly we have a top 3 starting 5 in the league. Dejuante, CJ, Herb, B.I & Zion.
I never said he was worth 50M. You just don’t quick decisions. Take your time and make the right deal. Keep or trade him for something of value.
Well said people be saying dumb s***
5 years is not quick lol
5 years is not quick lol
Bout time someone even talk about the scenario of keeping him it’s crazy trade trade trade
Pels need to trade BI for Jarrett Allen asap, I am hearing that Allen doesn't fit with Mobley. CJ will only be effective as a sixth man, in my opinion. If Brandon is gone, Trey can start, if CJ is gone Herb can start and he plays better defense than CJ.
Yes I agree but the pelicans paid media are trying to desensitize the fans. Brandon not getting traded to the deadline if even that. I hope I'm wrong....
I think Ingram might take less for a player or Dejounte Murray's caliber. He has the point guard he asked for. Center is a glaring hole. JV should feel disrespected, and gonna be missed. Man is a solider, never miss a game, mister double double. The only other answer is u make Trey/Zion a 5. OKC scary now with big men and we have none. idk im confused. But Z, BI, Murray, CJ, Trey/Herb. is a crazy starting 5. I like keeping CJ, like Chris paul is a good idea for spurs. West got cut throat and scary. CJ 6 man of the year might be the play.
There is ZERO chance BI is here next year.
Can’t start cj if he’s being traded next offseason. That would stunt herb jones growth and would just be stupid. What is this infatuation with cj? Ppl keep saying cj not coming off the bench. Why not?
TRADE ZION!! If you put up a silhouette of an NBA player, underneath you had Zion’s stats, and games played, and the caption said, “This player hasn’t played a single playoff game in 5 years,” would you build your team around him??? HELL NO! We’re talking about trading Brandon before we get no value for him. At least Brandon has showed he can win you playoff games. This past season, he was hurt. But before then, we didn’t have those questions. I also feel this is a great time to force Brandon to shoot more 3s, change his shot selection some due to how poorly he played this past season. Something has to change and I think Brandon has the work ethic to do so… Zion on the other hand. You need such specific lineups for him because of his poor spacing. He’s ALWAYS hurt. And honestly, I feel like his explosiveness isn’t like it used to be, and he’s still so young. If he’s regressing in explosiveness already, imagine the next 3-5 years. It won’t get any better… I’m trading Zion while he still has value. If we don’t pay or trade Brandon, he may walk for nothing. But if Zion is hurt another year, his trade value will TANK!! This isn’t just a make it or break it year for BI, but Zion’s value will tank if he’s not healthy next season. And this is the guy we’re building our team around… Absolutely pathetic. Zion has failed us 5 years in a row and a 6th year won’t be any different.
Maaaaan, we need Trey to get dat starting spot!!!!
Plus , Trey is about to get paid !!! Pels salary cap will be to high if BI stays .
Everydayer. I’m confused as to why Trey Murphy is off the table as far as trading?
Simply because he is a young rising star that is hard to come by that is just going to keep getting better as time goes on
A young 6’10 forward , shoots lights out , dunk contest participant and plays defense. That’s a rarity in the lg
Having a guy that can defend and shoot 3s...he is the ideal wing the league is being built upon. No point in trading him, and need quality players, a guy that could make an All-NBA team, in the event Zion doesn't work out and we need to pivot to trading him.
@@mont-doggBeatsbro said let him compete with Bo for the starting lineup. Lmao
We are bringing him back, Griff has been wanting to do this the whole time. We are screwed on center. We will be going cheap and hope our rookie will pan out.
Pelicans just need to go with young, cheap, and serviceable centers. Missi(block shots and rebound, has a decent post-game), Matkovic (can defend the paint, rebound, and shoot 3s), and try to find an undrafted 7-foot diamond in the rough like Jose and Naji were. Look at what Dallas did with Gafford and Lively, they weren't superstar centers but they hustled and did the little things.
I don’t care what you heard jake DJ will start and Herb will start so no room for CJ plus Hawk will not get minutes with CJ Jose & DJ just trade CJ for a Center and pay BI a lil less
It will be a rough coming year. T-wolves, Thunder should be very good. I still think we have a shot, but it won't be easy
CJ should be a backup going forward. He can organize the second unit and play against lesser players. Two forty percent three point shooters, Herb and Trey are the wings for the foreseeable future.
Let's say BI is a FA. How many players received max contracts this off season. 1 PG. Are the Clippers way worse really? The new salary cap makes it very difficult to get a max contract as a unrestricted FA.
Siakam get a max too. And OG, who is also very injury prone, get 40mil+.
Trade CJ or bring him off the bench
Ingram is the reason this team is even relevant. One Injured series and now all of a sudden he don’t fit. Most of Trey 3s come off BI getting doubled and having the court vision and IQ to find him. Jose is right hand man. Trey his protege and when him and Zion healthy Nola is a hard team to beat. I would say send CJ to the bench he would torch any team in the league off the bench automatic 6moty…. Start Murray Herb Ingram Murphy and Zion…. Everyone most learn to box out and Rebound… get Dwight he can still be productive gives you rim protection and rebounding… Grab Cousins as well both on minimum contracts… Still got Hawk and Ryan and Alvarado & the rookie so the guard position is good… ppl forget when Brandon and Zion both in the floor not many teams can beat them… now with Murray and CJ you got two players who can hold it down if the injury bug hits Zion and BI… with this roster Nola one center away from being the best in the west…. You gotta see it thru at this point
I would hope they could trade him for Jarrett Allen… move him to the East and get our center
Cavs said they want to keep Allen
I’d extend BI,maybe give him a 2-3 yr deal & we’ll see where we’re at afterwards. Dude can ball,defensively he’s a bit of a liability but that’s something the team had to address.
Murray and Bi won't work
How they won’t??
@@duhh4641 BI needs the ball , they're way too many ball handlers on this team
@@trailmountain8336 stagger the minutes
@@trailmountain8336And you need to improve your English skills.
Herb Jones was the only Guard/Forward to be awarded 1st Team All-Defense… you CANNOT put him on the bench. He’s the reason our defense was as good as it was. You also CANNOT trade him. His level of production and the cheap contract he has. You can’t let that go. OG Anunoby got 5yr $212mm. And I’m not saying OG is a bad player, but 4yr $54mm. Herb has to start and you cannot trade him due to his production and the flexibility his contract allows the team to upgrade
We need to keep him on this team
Trade CJ and some picks for Ayton.
Yay! Happy 4th!
Jake is clearly a Ingram hater. Stay off the needle Jake
We don’t have a coach to make our talent work.
Why do some people think BI is a good fit on the pels? He plays the opposite of how the team wants to play, his skills arent doubted but his fit is and his play on the court doesn’t mesh well with their best player. Not quite sure how some “fans” dont understand that.
Love BI but Z-Murray-Trey-Herb HAVE to play. Gotta figure something out.
Why not keep BI and get a center in one of these unfinished sign and trade that we are in the middle of with naji
i dont understand why we wouldnt keep the prototypical offensive small forward who has made strides on defense in the middle of his prime. maybe im delusional i dont know, d murray as the 3rd option and cj as the 4th with herb, trey murphy, jose, and hawkins coming off the bench dont sound bad but i dont know maybe im delusional
Get rid of C.J. Hawk can take his place
CJ needs to be traded
You still will be paying his salary if you trade him now. Brandon is one of the top players in the league. If you can't get at least equal value in a trade, I would keep him.
It would be great to keep B.I as he's the teams best player... otherwise with the Moves made this summer this far the Pells look like they got weaker defensively. If there was one takeaway from last season's playoffs -- the teams that made it the farthest tended to be the best defensively -- especially the Celtics.
Jake, why can’t we trade for a center?? Surely there is some kind of trade the Pels could devise to pair BI with a couple of other pieces to get SOMEBODY that can protect the rim!! Many teams have two centers, and we don’t have one, excluding the rookie Messi! Jonas is gone, Larry is gone…WE NEED A CENTER, AND NEED ONE NOW!! Cody is good in spurts but everyone knows he’s not the answer.
He’s in the top ten percent in stats for amount of players in the league.
He is only 8 of players with at 20/5/5 stat line despite a downyeae. But ofcourse zion fans will mock it and make fun of it as usual
You don’t know if BI fits him and Zion haven’t played with a point guard together.., Also he’s a 26 year old all star who going to emerge into a superstar.. just run it the hell back with Murray… if anything fire the damn coach!!!
5. Missi
4. Ingram
3. Herb
2,1 Murray
1,4. Zion
y'all wanted everyone to fit with Zion like the only problem is that the bust can't shoot so you need to adjust for him. lol
B.I will be a ALL Star this year hands down..... He is still the best option on offense... It was easy for OKC too set defense to stop on person. They knew the offense was gonna come from him.... IF YOUR SUPERSTAR HASNT BEEN AVAILABLE IN EITHER PLAYOFF APPERENCE DO U REALLY BLAME B.I.???? FOR HIS LEG BEING BENT OTHER WAY AND STILL TRYNA BATTLE..... NBA IS SOFT NOW.... KOBE PLAYED THROUGH EVERYTHING.... AND ITS EASY TO POINT FINGERS AT THE ONES WHO OUT THERE. BUT IF THEY WERE HEALTHY OKC WOULDVE LOST 4-1 .... BREAK UP B.I AND ZION AND LOSE THE CHANCE TO BE #1 ALL YEAR AND WIN CHAMPIONSHIP. OR KEEP THEM TOGETHER AND LET THEM GET HEALTHY... I WOULD BE CALLING LAKERS ABOUT BRINGING J HAYES BACK. ALL THE 5'S ARE GONE SO U NEED SOMEONE CHEAP
Jake, it is so clear you don't like BI. Why? Please be more objective in your reporting....
Agreed
Keep him, use the lebron max technique, 2 yrs, 2yrs, 2hrs, that's how he always gets his teams, 2nd yr he opts in or out, the cycle repeats
Here’s the plan: Pair BI & CJ to get a young center or go out for Lauri Markkanen!!!
Bi is below average at playing off of other and isn’t the best fit for Zion. He relies too heavily on mid range shots to be beneficial enough for Zion and can’t consistently shoot 3s. He’s shown it in the Olympics that he needs to be the number 1 option in order to effectively perform and if you don’t understand why he doesn’t fit with Zion then your ball knowledge just isn’t high enough
You can use any words you want(fit). Regardless.. our starting forwards do not make enough 3-point shots. Period. End of discussion. Until that changes, we will never compete for a championship.
If they keep BI” next year I will cry because we not making the playoffs with this same old story all over again smh..
Why make Sacramento better? That trade helps them way more then it helps the Pelicans, those picks will be late rounders
Hi Jake
LM from Utah is happening
Trusting Cj over BI will be the worst move this franchise makes
Bring him back move CJ by the trade deadline
Why can't we get rid of McCollum and keep Ingram
Keep Brandon Ingram every year he almost carry the team
If i were the pelicans ill trade zion for alperen sengun, or wemby or any star center. Then ill start murray, herb, bi, trey and star center with cj as 6th man. In that way i wont worry any more about injury issues with zion and his one dimensional move. Haha
Coz if they are going to trade bi who wants to be in the city they will regret. In a few years, zion leaving new orleans after his contract expire. He was never sold to the city of New Orleans as much as BI is.
BI doesn't fit on pelicans? Oh come on he carried the team by himself.
He might want to get traded to Golden State with Jerry Stackhouse now assistant coach .
We should trade for Myles Turner
Z been out most of time as player but trade the player who kept us afloat and is fan favorite isnt a good move. This looks bad this is why no one wants to come to NeW Orleans.
with BI, it's more about fit and finances it seems
Every dayer!! 🇵🇭🇵🇭
Keep BI.. pels finally have a pg. look at Bi 3 point shooting % when he had Lonzo…
I don’t hate the Harrison Barnes , Hurter & 2FR deal
keep Ingram he was hurt in the play-off don`t get rid of him yet, could hurt the moral, and as far as centers go that guy Missi ought to be the starting center right off the bat, he`s like Zion a player born out of do season, he will catch on quick. If you play for Green anybody can catch on quick of a no Coach.
no u know what hurts moral? trying to trade someone for months, publicly, then bring him back at reduced minutes... we'll get what we can get for BI and at worst parlay picks into depth and flexibility
I like missi too. lemme see some matkovic too idc
Pay the tax. Add a big man. Let go win this
who u want