I don't see a reason to replace casks in the basement when all the other machines can be used anywhere else, whereas the casks only work in the cellar. Having a form of slow money maker that doesn't require much maintenance, be that aged wine or cheese, is great when so many other machines needs to be refilled daily or even multiple times each day.
The issue then becomes that casks don't make much money compared to a fully operational artisan good production. Just using the ginger island farm and greenhouse's crop space you can easily be growing 800 individual crops year round, which translate to 800 wine per week with ancient fruit or 560 wine per week with star fruit and deluxe speed gro. Casks add 12.5% of value to wines per week so long as you collect immediately once they advance in quality (doesn't matter which quality you collect). You can only fit 125 casks so with each cask effectively producing 1/8th of a wine per week, that's 15.6 wines per week if you use casks optimally. That's only a 2%-3% increase over a very easy and feasible end game setup and casks are end game. If you're only producing 16 wines per week, it is less effort to just double that amount than it is to use casks. And all attempts to "optimize" gold production outside of wine production is meaningless since wine is optimal. Making gold with fish ponds or crystalarium or animal products is fun and still the right way to play the game, but you are losing out on optimization simply by the choice of play style.
@@gamingtime9716 You missed the entire point of the comment. We aren't saying it's more profitable to use casks than it is to put something else in the basement; what we're saying is harvesting crops, collecting and kegging wine takes time. But casks you put things in and just forget about them for 2 months. It's a low maintainence investment. If you want more crops just build more big sheds and place more kegs everywhere else in the valley.
great video as always, a small suggestion: I think another category in addition to "gold per day" named "gold per working step" or something like that, which resembles the gold you earn per interaction, would be very useful. Since if something gives high gold yield per day but also requires you to work on it every day there is a big opportunity cost attached to it because the time it occupies to do so cant be used to do other things that can make profit, bring progress or are fun. "gold per working step" would account for that opportunity cost.
I really enjoy having the cellar used for cellar things (aging), it's very satisfying to end up with highest quality goods, even if it's not as efficient as other methods. I'm also a big fan of doing the goat cheese in the casks, because it's such a comparatively quick turn-around.
I personally enjoy using a variety of machines when I’m processing my crops. After harvesting a bunch of starfruit for example my first stop is my kegs so I can then make wine to put into my casks later on. Then with my left over fruit (because I don’t have a ton of casks, I’m a few shy of filling my stage 1 shed) I take my left over starfruit and put them into my dehydrators, any fruit I have left over from that is put into my preserve jars. Its a processing flow that works for me since I’m not the type of farmer to grind for resources and so I have to take a more “make the machine when I can” kind of approach, takes longer but I don’t mind. That said I’ll definitely add hops to my crops next season (I’m winter year 4 rn), I really enjoy growing a variety of crops in the different plots around my farm so maybe I’ll drop them into one of my smaller plots since they regrow so often. Thanks for sharing all this info ❤️
I’m sorry but casks have been inadvertently buffed with the inclusion of mystic water in 1.6, since you can trade them for fairy dust in the Raccoon Shop. If you start a mystic tree farm with heavy tappers and accumulate a full stack of mystic water (can be done in a season with 120 trees) and trade them for fairy dust, you can essentially get a 300+ stack of iridium starfruit wine within a day by just using all your fairy dust on them. Not to mention, you can put mushroom logs all around your mystic tree farm and get tons of purple mushrooms in the process to dehydrate. The only barrier to this is getting enough mahogany seeds to start an efficient mystic tree farm in the first place 😅
I don't pay too much attention to casks, so I prefer using wine I make on Ginger Island and ignore it for a few seasons. I did try goat cheese on my Meadowlands farm, still wish Rancher and Coop Master professions got some upgrades to compete with artisan. Don't forget the strategy of having someone join and upgrade the cabin so you can have a whole house for machines and an extra cellar.
I've been begging all my friends to help me do this, no taker so far - on switch so I can't do it by myself. Not quite crazy enough to buy a second console just to exploit this. Yet.
i would say the cask is not the go-to end of the production line but an additional advanced end for some products while the rest can be sold/gifted/whatever as is
I think casks make more sense if you make use of fairy dust, which is a lot easier to do in 1.6. I also use casks because I can just put any of this other stuff elsewhere, anyway, so this is a good "set it and forget it" option for me, versus how I like to make sheds full of pineapples.
But fairy dust cost 1 mystic syrup, it takes from 7 or 3 days, depends if you have a normal tapper or a heavy tapper, let's say you have a normal tapper, it takes 7 days 142 g per day, you would need 3, with 3 it would be 426 gold per day if you sold it if you age it will give you assuming you have starfruit wine, it gives you 157 g per day without aging, with ageing it will give you 315, that would be less that selling the starfruit wine and the mystic syrup, if you sold the starfruit wine and the m syrup it would be 583 gold per day
But lemme crank the numbers with the heavy tapper, with the heavy tapper it would be even better for the cask less route because in both we take in consideration that you plant and tap at the same time.
@@kapsup. yes but that fairy dust can save you a lot time so you wait until gold star to use it on your cask to make it iridium and in a long run you may be right it makes gold diff but time earn to make new batch is huge.
I like variety and enjoy all of the machines to give me multiple streams of revenue. I usually save all of my goat cheese for the first round in the basement as goat cheese is higher value aged than regular cheese, which I save for mining food. Then I switch to wine because I enjoy the single large pay outs every so often.
I love that! I kind of want to try a meadowlands farm run with an animal-only focus. The community center will haunt me if I don't grow some crops though :'(
I think it's nice to have an additional way to earn money towards the big end-game purchases without adding more of the same kind of monotony of watering/planting/harvesting crops and filling kegs/jars. And it doesn't add much extra labor. There's also not really a need to use the space for planters on most farm types, sheds are pretty efficient space wise and can be used for this set-up as well. Or maybe I play the game differently from other people? I usually fill at most two big sheds with jars and kegs (one for each), one barn and one coop and maybe a few fish ponds. Growing hops on a big scale and harvesting every day for just a little bit higher profit is masochistic haha, I have never actually seen someone do that.
As somebody who has planted and harvested 128 hops every day in the first spring, I definitely wouldn't recommend it unless you're really trying to minmax 😂
"Gold per tile" only makes sense if your processing capacity is limited by available space. Maybe that's an issue for some people, but between my playstyle and the low cost of sheds it never will be for me, so kegs are a pure value-add (assuming you have the crafting materials lying around). Admittedly, the value they add is pretty small because of their low throughput, so I really just use them because I like the aesthetic.
I drop my gold goat cheese and cheese into my casks. Once I have it set up, I always have seven days of production going in the casks. When I drop off my new cheese in the evenings, there's always a couple of casks full of iridium cheese to pick up. Since it only takes 7 days instead of 14, the gold per day total is different.
I just like using casks because my farm is part winery. Not that I thought of it when I first got into agriculture, but hey I didn't think I'd become a farmer either when I first got hired at Joja.
As a gold per day addict I think it's better to wait to be able to builf a lot of kegs, because casks are less g/d, and there is better things like lava eel fish ponds, and also because dehydrators use 5 fruit it will unly be fair to compare it to 5 wine of that same fruit, their best use its for mushroom logs because they, well, mushrooms are kinda ass in g per day
Honestly, I’m kinda tempted to use casks in 1.6 purely so there’s more thought into making the money needed for perfection rather than making 5,000 bottles of ancient fruit wine for the 15th time.
Gold per day, casks are weak. Gold per item, casks are great. An easy set it and forget it place to put some of your starfruit wine and sell the rest immediately.
if u just read cask number it's pretty obvious that it's terrible: 2 months wait time for just 2x price increase. if u had a keg there instead of cask, u could make 8x profit in 2 months. *2x vs 8x* is like night and day. casks don't even come close. it's better if u just decorate the place. and for fairy dust, u will make more gold/day if u sell the diamond+fairyrose or mystic syrup by itself. cask is a SCAM
I don't see a reason to replace casks in the basement when all the other machines can be used anywhere else, whereas the casks only work in the cellar. Having a form of slow money maker that doesn't require much maintenance, be that aged wine or cheese, is great when so many other machines needs to be refilled daily or even multiple times each day.
Agreed. Casks are a very passive form of income, giving you more time to do other things, like harvesting pineapple sheds for instance.
The issue then becomes that casks don't make much money compared to a fully operational artisan good production.
Just using the ginger island farm and greenhouse's crop space you can easily be growing 800 individual crops year round, which translate to 800 wine per week with ancient fruit or 560 wine per week with star fruit and deluxe speed gro.
Casks add 12.5% of value to wines per week so long as you collect immediately once they advance in quality (doesn't matter which quality you collect). You can only fit 125 casks so with each cask effectively producing 1/8th of a wine per week, that's 15.6 wines per week if you use casks optimally.
That's only a 2%-3% increase over a very easy and feasible end game setup and casks are end game.
If you're only producing 16 wines per week, it is less effort to just double that amount than it is to use casks.
And all attempts to "optimize" gold production outside of wine production is meaningless since wine is optimal. Making gold with fish ponds or crystalarium or animal products is fun and still the right way to play the game, but you are losing out on optimization simply by the choice of play style.
@@gamingtime9716 You missed the entire point of the comment. We aren't saying it's more profitable to use casks than it is to put something else in the basement; what we're saying is harvesting crops, collecting and kegging wine takes time. But casks you put things in and just forget about them for 2 months. It's a low maintainence investment. If you want more crops just build more big sheds and place more kegs everywhere else in the valley.
great video as always, a small suggestion: I think another category in addition to "gold per day" named "gold per working step" or something like that, which resembles the gold you earn per interaction, would be very useful. Since if something gives high gold yield per day but also requires you to work on it every day there is a big opportunity cost attached to it because the time it occupies to do so cant be used to do other things that can make profit, bring progress or are fun. "gold per working step" would account for that opportunity cost.
Good idea! That might be a good metric to start comparing. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching!
I really enjoy having the cellar used for cellar things (aging), it's very satisfying to end up with highest quality goods, even if it's not as efficient as other methods. I'm also a big fan of doing the goat cheese in the casks, because it's such a comparatively quick turn-around.
I personally enjoy using a variety of machines when I’m processing my crops. After harvesting a bunch of starfruit for example my first stop is my kegs so I can then make wine to put into my casks later on. Then with my left over fruit (because I don’t have a ton of casks, I’m a few shy of filling my stage 1 shed) I take my left over starfruit and put them into my dehydrators, any fruit I have left over from that is put into my preserve jars. Its a processing flow that works for me since I’m not the type of farmer to grind for resources and so I have to take a more “make the machine when I can” kind of approach, takes longer but I don’t mind. That said I’ll definitely add hops to my crops next season (I’m winter year 4 rn), I really enjoy growing a variety of crops in the different plots around my farm so maybe I’ll drop them into one of my smaller plots since they regrow so often. Thanks for sharing all this info ❤️
Yo I think we’re the same type of farmer
Throwing 189 iridium starfruit wine in the bin at the same time will never not be satisfying, regardless of the g/d loss
I’m sorry but casks have been inadvertently buffed with the inclusion of mystic water in 1.6, since you can trade them for fairy dust in the Raccoon Shop. If you start a mystic tree farm with heavy tappers and accumulate a full stack of mystic water (can be done in a season with 120 trees) and trade them for fairy dust, you can essentially get a 300+ stack of iridium starfruit wine within a day by just using all your fairy dust on them.
Not to mention, you can put mushroom logs all around your mystic tree farm and get tons of purple mushrooms in the process to dehydrate. The only barrier to this is getting enough mahogany seeds to start an efficient mystic tree farm in the first place 😅
I don't pay too much attention to casks, so I prefer using wine I make on Ginger Island and ignore it for a few seasons. I did try goat cheese on my Meadowlands farm, still wish Rancher and Coop Master professions got some upgrades to compete with artisan.
Don't forget the strategy of having someone join and upgrade the cabin so you can have a whole house for machines and an extra cellar.
I've been begging all my friends to help me do this, no taker so far - on switch so I can't do it by myself. Not quite crazy enough to buy a second console just to exploit this. Yet.
i would say the cask is not the go-to end of the production line but an additional advanced end for some products while the rest can be sold/gifted/whatever as is
Mystic syrup > fairy dust > iridium wine 28 days sooner
Huh?
@Chino-Kafu You can trade mystic syrup for fairy dust at the racoon and use that to mature the wine in your cellar 28 days sooner
@MrFox-tc6tc meh still hate casks. Just use it for community center then never again
I think casks make more sense if you make use of fairy dust, which is a lot easier to do in 1.6. I also use casks because I can just put any of this other stuff elsewhere, anyway, so this is a good "set it and forget it" option for me, versus how I like to make sheds full of pineapples.
Omg I totally forgot Fairy Dust could be used on casks, I’m going to use it now!
But fairy dust cost 1 mystic syrup, it takes from 7 or 3 days, depends if you have a normal tapper or a heavy tapper, let's say you have a normal tapper, it takes 7 days 142 g per day, you would need 3, with 3 it would be 426 gold per day if you sold it if you age it will give you assuming you have starfruit wine, it gives you 157 g per day without aging, with ageing it will give you 315, that would be less that selling the starfruit wine and the mystic syrup, if you sold the starfruit wine and the m syrup it would be 583 gold per day
So using casks makes less sense using fairy dust in terms of gold per day, not even using fairy rose with the max tier of speed grow
But lemme crank the numbers with the heavy tapper, with the heavy tapper it would be even better for the cask less route because in both we take in consideration that you plant and tap at the same time.
@@kapsup. yes but that fairy dust can save you a lot time so you wait until gold star to use it on your cask to make it iridium and in a long run you may be right it makes gold diff but time earn to make new batch is huge.
I like variety and enjoy all of the machines to give me multiple streams of revenue. I usually save all of my goat cheese for the first round in the basement as goat cheese is higher value aged than regular cheese, which I save for mining food. Then I switch to wine because I enjoy the single large pay outs every so often.
I like playing a dairy farmer, turning out (and giving away) a ton of goat cheese. :)
I love that! I kind of want to try a meadowlands farm run with an animal-only focus. The community center will haunt me if I don't grow some crops though :'(
I never thought about growing crops in the basement I just fill it with crystalariums. This playthrough I'm gonna grow sweet gem berries instead
We love numbers in this house
I think it's nice to have an additional way to earn money towards the big end-game purchases without adding more of the same kind of monotony of watering/planting/harvesting crops and filling kegs/jars. And it doesn't add much extra labor. There's also not really a need to use the space for planters on most farm types, sheds are pretty efficient space wise and can be used for this set-up as well. Or maybe I play the game differently from other people? I usually fill at most two big sheds with jars and kegs (one for each), one barn and one coop and maybe a few fish ponds.
Growing hops on a big scale and harvesting every day for just a little bit higher profit is masochistic haha, I have never actually seen someone do that.
As somebody who has planted and harvested 128 hops every day in the first spring, I definitely wouldn't recommend it unless you're really trying to minmax 😂
Lol, Robin’s note
"Gold per tile" only makes sense if your processing capacity is limited by available space. Maybe that's an issue for some people, but between my playstyle and the low cost of sheds it never will be for me, so kegs are a pure value-add (assuming you have the crafting materials lying around). Admittedly, the value they add is pretty small because of their low throughput, so I really just use them because I like the aesthetic.
But I am lazy and leave my casks for passive income. You do not need to touch it :)
Me too, I put them in twice per year, completely filling the cellar up, using Starfruit wine. My ancient fruit I only keg up.
I drop my gold goat cheese and cheese into my casks. Once I have it set up, I always have seven days of production going in the casks. When I drop off my new cheese in the evenings, there's always a couple of casks full of iridium cheese to pick up. Since it only takes 7 days instead of 14, the gold per day total is different.
Like using fairy dust on gold to iridium cask cause isn't it a whole season?
I just like using casks because my farm is part winery. Not that I thought of it when I first got into agriculture, but hey I didn't think I'd become a farmer either when I first got hired at Joja.
As a gold per day addict I think it's better to wait to be able to builf a lot of kegs, because casks are less g/d, and there is better things like lava eel fish ponds, and also because dehydrators use 5 fruit it will unly be fair to compare it to 5 wine of that same fruit, their best use its for mushroom logs because they, well, mushrooms are kinda ass in g per day
Honestly, I’m kinda tempted to use casks in 1.6 purely so there’s more thought into making the money needed for perfection rather than making 5,000 bottles of ancient fruit wine for the 15th time.
I've yet to progress that far into the game, but what about the laziness angle?
Gold per day, casks are weak. Gold per item, casks are great. An easy set it and forget it place to put some of your starfruit wine and sell the rest immediately.
if u just read cask number it's pretty obvious that it's terrible: 2 months wait time for just 2x price increase. if u had a keg there instead of cask, u could make 8x profit in 2 months.
*2x vs 8x* is like night and day. casks don't even come close. it's better if u just decorate the place.
and for fairy dust, u will make more gold/day if u sell the diamond+fairyrose or mystic syrup by itself. cask is a SCAM
what mod adds the letters and dialogue?
Unfortunately, it's not from a mod. All from the mind of a silly person playing around with editing😉
Thanks for watching !
I honestly havnt used casks in years in stardew valey both figuratively and literally. They are a waste imo. I make money faster selling regular wine