Tyranny - Obsidian's Lesser Known CRPG | Review After 100%
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2020
- Reviewing a lesser known Obsidian style in the CRPG style, Tyranny.
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Such a shame this one didn't do better financially. Probably the game I most want a sequel to.
I always feel like Tyranny is the first chapter of a much larger story.
I totally agree. I beat the game and felt like I just got past the tutorial.
@@axelhopfinger533 I meant more in terms of the story of the world rather than the character you play.
Yeap, feels like the shell of a larger game. Unfortunate, because what is there is interesting.
@@axelhopfinger533 it does feel like the story stops before it gets going.
This game is not at all about what I thought it was about, I bought it awhile ago really want to play it now
One of the best CRPGs of modern times. So much replay value, a great magic system in terms of mechanic and implementation into the lore of the world and even though it´s fantasy the setting isn´t based on the middle ages but the end of the transition from bronze into iron age which is rare.
Seems like Obsidian owns the IP not Paradox, so I really hope they revisit the setting one day even though it´s not likely.
I really wish we got a sequel, but even if we did it's probably gonna be y e a r s down the line
Yeah, there's no way a single person finished the game not wondering when they would get to confront Kyros.
I love the Bronze age aesthetic of the game, and the world is amazing. One of my favourite CRPGs. I would love them to turn it into a tabletop RPG.
Fun fact, at the beginning with the week long edict.
Since it only specifies the Day and Month, if you laze about past said point before reading the Edict, you have like a whole year to do it instead, because Kyros worded it so specifically.
Yeah, just traveling back and forth plus using campfires before the edict of swords was pretty much the first glitch to be discovered, although I guess it might not technically be a glitch because, like you said, the wording doesn't specify a year, only a span and day.
Does it change the story or just the timer?
@@EconaelGaming I don't know.
it's forshadowing the loophole abuse the edicts have.
Just the timer.
Kyros be praised, finally someone showing that game some much-deserved attention. With you and Mandalore talking about it I can hardly believe people know so little about this. One of my favourite cRPGs out there and I am nitpicky, old and grumpy.
Yeah it's a great game for sure
Sorry I could not finish this video... you got me hooked on this game in around 8th minute and I just straight up went buy it and play it myself
loved this game always felt like this game was a hidden gem, I liked playing the "bad guy" and the art style was great ever since that first lvl with the statue and the blood coming out of the eyes I couldn't get enough of the game,
I played this one insistence of my brother and it really took me by surprise! I don't think i've ever played a game in which the choices mattered so much, and not just the ending of it, but the story as you went along adapted to those choices! Add to this the interactions with the characters and the influences you can away in either way, this gem is truly one of the most underrated CRPGs ever.
One of my favorite games, I just wish there was more because it's such an expansive, unique, well written setting. Also that prologue really is one of the coolest innovations I've seen that and really the one game really makes you live w/ your choices
I played Tyranny a lot to experience the various choices and endings. That choices come back to your character is extremely well done. The only downside of this game is that you want to play a magic user to experience most of the awesome and completely overpowered magic system, especially with the DLC. I fully recommend this game, especially if you want choices to matter and have impact
The other downside is knowing, short of a New Vegas 2 tier level confluence of fortune, we will never get a sequel :/
It really is a shame that this game fell under the radar, don't know if it was a failure of the marketing or people being put off by the setting but this really is a highly underrated gem of a game, kind of like what Planescape Torment was when it was initially released. Really would love to see a sequel to this game but I know the odds are highly unlikely at this point
Isometric real time with pause games just don't have mass appeal sadly. Even the fantastic Pillars of Eternity 2 was basically a financial disaster for Obsidian and it was a fantastic game.
@@slipknotpurity00 deadfire underperformed to expectations as well, but it wasn't a financial disaster, they still made a lot of money from it.
I remember seeing it a lot on Steam at the time, so it definitely had good exposure to the people who'd be interested, although I remember being confused as to whether it was an RPG or an RTS hybrid type thing for a long ass time. I don't know if that was just me or a widespead thing though - the title and splash art just didn't feel very RPG like at a glance though. Mostly I think Pillars of Eternity was just a really long and exhausting game and everyone who played it was super burnt out from the genre around the time Tyranny dropped - which I think is unfortune, because Tyranny was much more concise with it's writing and storyline.
I kinda wish more cRPGs would try similar things :(
I'd love a turn based Obsidian crpg, wasteland 3/xcom style or divinity original sin/BG 3 style. They'd probably sell better if done right. Not sure if Obsidian's into turn based though. I used to enjoy rtwp from BG1 to dragon age origins, not so much today.
@@caelandemaziere7939 in fact they used most of the money made from PoE to fund Tyranny
this is also one of my favourite CRPG games - thoroughly enjoyed it and really dont understand why it wasnt popular. the whole premise that you are actually working for an evil overlord who has successfully conquered the world is also a major difference which was more than refreshing.
Neither Obsidian (the developer) nor Paradox Interactive (the publisher) did a whole lot of marketing, especially compared to similar games like Pillars of Eternity, so even though the number of sales is in the hundreds of thousands, it still didn't spread as fast as it should have for such a high quality game.
I bought the game after Mandalore's review, and I absolutely loved it, it's the game that got me down the CRPG rabbit hole and I am immensely thankful for that. Shame it didn't do as well as it should've.
Steam has an awesome sale and I have been eyeing Tyranny for over a year.
Thank you for your efforts.
Buying the Tyranny bundle.
Seeing this give me so much nostalgia. I was sucked into this world when I first played it years ago. This is an underrated gem of a game, and seeing you describe it is giving me such good vibes.
Tyranny is one of my favorite CRPGs. The gameplay is great, the story is great, and the setting is probably my favorite out of any game I've played. It would be criminal if they never make a sequel after the ending we got.
Great to have a review of this game now that the price's come down, and they've had time to patch it! Thanks for your awesome reviews as always!
It was even free on Epic Games store for a while, but obviously Steam is better because it's Steam lol.
Great review!!! Will def pick this up now that I know more about it. That magic system looked amazing!!
the story and music was so good.
Thank you for this review, it was very helpful!
This really is a good game.
I didn't care much for the combat system but the lore of this game? Bloody brilliant. It's really hard to explain why this game is so good without going into spoilers.
It kind of reminded me of The Black Company books - the Archons and Kyros especially.
That is it. I always thought it reminded me of Malazan but not quite. I forgot Malazan was inspired by Black company. I have to finish that series some day.
Wow, thanks for this review! I’m one of those who didn’t know about this game, but am a fan of Obsidian stuff ❤️
i fineshed the game junt once, but that was enough to convince me, This one of the best game i already played, side by side with divinity 2, the history is super creative, the spell creation is a good idea too.. The thing that i don't like is the character designe, but it's my personal opinion. Hope that they keep de history going...
For anyone else reading the comments and wondering what's wrong with character creation, here's a brief explanation. There are a lot of areas of customization, but all of your options are presets. There's no sliders or color wheels or anything like that, so it can feel limited if you're used to games like Ark where you can look like literally whatever you want.
I hope there will be a sequel. There are so many open questions after the first game, the oldwalls, Kyros, the towers, etc,,,,I NEED a sequel to asnwer all these! I want to come back to this awesome low-fantasy, Early Iron Age world setting
I feel it is underrated a lot and deserves more attention. I hope for a sequel although I'm not finished yet with this one. Got stuck in a situation and maybe need to check out a guide even.... But I love the concept and playing a character, who is more like a villain rather than a hero. Also that here you need to decide rather which is the lesser evil or perhaps look at which decision brings you more benefit is great.
I so wish there was a continuation of this universe. It’s such a unique and interesting setting.
There isn't even a lot of fanfic to be found, sadly.
@@joesmith9920 for some reason it just flew under the radar. It’d be one thing if crpg’s were a dead genre, but that’s far from the case. Many crpg’s out there are enjoying a good amount of success and Tyranny is up there with the best of them. So it’s really difficult to understand.
4:18 - magic sigils mimic archon magic, there is no magic that hasn't come from an archon, they are the pioneers of all magic. For example the latest Sigil of emotions came from Sirin.
and probably from an earlier archon as well. if you let nerat interrogate the tidecasters during conquest, than you can learn the sigil of emotions from a blood chanter. the school of tides is much older than sirin. also, technically kyros isn't an archon and he has his own magic too
@@joesmith9920 Or Kyros is just an archon of edicts.
I think this game is second to none if it comes to freedom of choice. Even if it‘s only 4 possible paths, it is a masterpiece how they set up the branching trees and the story in advance.
thank you for all your incredible reviews!
This is probably in my top three favorite games ever. I have about 400 hours logged on Tyranny, and for context, a regular playthrough takes roughly 20 to 35 hours depending on what quests you accept, what path you take, how much looting and exploring you do, and whether or not you read all the dialogue. If you really go in depth and complete every quest you can, search for all the sigils, loot every box and corpse, etc, a playthrough could reach 40-45 hours, but that gets tedious real quick. Once you complete the game once, you unlock a new setting when starting a new game: New Game+, which lets you start the story with a character from a previous save file, so you can reach higher levels, make cooler and more powerful spells, min-max more efficiently if that's your thing, and probably complete the game in like 5 hours if you really try for speed, but more realistically 15-25 hours on average. Lots of potential for replaying the game for several reasons. First, as was mentioned in the video, there are 3 main paths you can take in the Conquest (character backstory creator), plus 4 main paths in the actual game, which immediately gives you about 10 unique, fun routes (some combinations of conquest and game don't make much sense, like going full Disfavored in Conquest then full Scarlet Chorus in game, or vice versa). Next, your choices in the Conquest and throughout the game, regardless of which main path you're taking, can change your relationship, and therefore all of your encounters and interactions, with each faction in the game. Some are kinda pointless like the Stone Sea villagers, but some like the Sages and Lethian's Crossing citizens have major ramifications on how any of the main paths might play out. Additionally, you occasionally get options to straight up betray your main allies, allowing you to mix and match game paths if you really want to, but that typically only makes any sense if you go from Scarlet Chorus to Rebels or Anarchy, or from Disfavored to Anarchy. Finally, when you combine those with "class" (spellcasting, heavy melee, light melee, ranged, hybrids), party build (there are 3 slots for companions and you meet 6 possible companions, and your relationship with each party member can change their perception of you massively), and just general RP aspects, you can replay the game easily over a dozen times and get a fresh experience every time. I would highly recommend this game to anyone down here in the comments section, and recommend that you recommend it to your friends as well tbh.
lol this video has about 220 comments rn and 40 of them are me replying to other people. I think I have a problem with Tyranny rn. Straight up, unless there's a speedrunning scene I've never heard of, I might have more hours of playtime than anyone except the developers/playtesters.
I really wish that this game had done better, hopefully we get a second game someday
This game came out at the perfect time for me, I loved it so much I played it three times in a row, doing each factions path, and I was just so happy with the experience. Such an interesting world, characters, setting, etc.
there are 4 paths. google it
just found you, i really like your stuff, hope you keep going with it
Can't believe I haven't heard of this game before. It sounds awesome, thank you. Also, the longer this video went on the more it sounded like Kairos Fateweaver was in charge.
Tyranny was AWESOME! One of the few games ive completed.
Love your reviews. You are singlehandedly reigniting my love of crpgs. One thing im trying to work out is how easy they all are to play with steam deck. Playable doesnt always mean that you can play with a level of precision required to react quickly enough ect. Be interesting if you could do a summary of how they all play on steam deck. Im currently playing pathfinder wotc in between deck and desktop pc and whilst i enjoy on deck i can play about 3 times quicker and more efficiently on desktop but its still great to play in that format. Another hit is divine divinity 2 which ive been playing on ipad. Just got tyranny for £6 Too.
Imagine what could have been, had this game had just a couple more months in the oven.
I love the genuinely compelling, intelligent perspective it takes on the themes of totalitarianism, the nature of power, as well as the moral dilemmas it portrays and the topics it makes the player consider etc., but it's just not finished.
if you mean the cliffhanger at the end by not getting to confront Kyros, that isn't actually incompleteness. It's a story about uniting the Tiers, not saving the world. And if it were to include a longer story line where you eventually get to confront Kyros, then that would A) make no sense at all if you choose to side with one of Kyros' armies all the way through, and B) take a lot longer than a few months.
@@joesmith9920 Oh no no, I wasn't referring to that aspect - I actually quite like that we never directly confront Kyros, as that elegantly feeds back into the theme of totalitarianism. The person behind the name is almost interchangeable as such, as the idea of what they are and the fear of them has become the greater issue - unshakeable fear of an abstract idea leading to control.
I also didn't necessarily mean that I would have preferred the game's story to go on for longer. What I would have liked is for the details to get fleshed out more. More background information about the individual characters, more interactions, more detail to the endings we already have - that sort of thing.
And hell, while we're at it, ideally I would have loved it had this game had more than a year of extra development time.
Such an underrated game. Honestly, it's one of the best crpg's ever made. But unfortunately, it's part of a series that has yet to be continued and likely never will because it didn't sell as well as it should have. The things I would do to get a sequel to this game....
Adding this to my wishlist. It sounds really good. I don’t usually play mages, but if the magic system is solid then I might as well try it.
Magic gets especially cool on subsequent playthroughs if you choose the New Game+ option. it essentially lets you start the story with your character from a completed game's save file, which means you can start the game with spells that were late game the first time, and keep building more powerful ones. Chaotic Descent, for example, takes so much lore that you can't put more than 1 or maybe 2 weak accents on it in your first playthrough, but with New Game+, you really get to customize everything to it's fullest extent.
paradox murdered the game, they did not market it at all, i am a massive obsidian fan and avid rpg player and i only got to know about the game existence through noah cadwell review, which was months from launch
there was absolutely no marketing, no talk of it, nothing, if i was obsidian i would sue them, but well, i guess that is solved now with them joining microsoft
though I, as many do, have a ton of gripes with Microsoft - for Obsidian, it's likely a great thing. They are easily one of the best RPG makers, imo, so having the backing of a company as large as Microsoft means wonders for funding future RPGs of Obsidian quality
You never heard of this game before release? I remember seeing stories and watching videos of it before release.
It had no buzz.
Honestly man, your dedication and explanation is awesome. But my head is still spinning on who is who is this world. Keep up the good work.
Trust me, once you play the game, it's all very clear. You get introduced to the various people and factions in an organized way, and you can learn more or less about them as you see fit during your playthrough(s)
I absolutely loved it when I first played, I hope they return to that setting again one day, it's such an interesting world. I think it fell under the radar because it was kinda pigeonholed as the "RPG where you are evil" but it's actually so much more than just that, (and also the fact that it's not a revival or spiritual successor to any classic or established franchise).
Never heard of tyranny. Glad you put this out
The advanced hover tooltips in dialogue was honestly such a big thing for the genre and iirc this is the first game to do so.
Thanks for the excellent review.
I haven't played Tyranny but from the comments and the video I get a very Nethergate feel, which is my favorite RPG of all time. A closed story that doesn't overstay it's welcome in a very big world with tons of lore.
That being said, there is tons of unexplored lore. More than enough material to work with if they ever decide to work on a sequel, but presented in a way that never gives you more than you want, or in a way that might overwhelm new players.
My first playthrough on normal I made my player character an unarmed fighter. This made even normal kind of a nightmare but very doable. My next playthrough on hard I went all in on magic and it was significantly easier. Magic is definitely king in this game.
One of the best crpg ever made. Incredibly sad there’s no sequal.
Considering how slow the development of CRPGs is i wouldnt give up hope looking at Baldurs Gate 3 and Torments remaster it just shows that the community for those games is far more long living than other genres and so is sadly the wait-time between New titles
Got this game on Epic, an absolute steal. I love this game. Thinking i might buy it on steam just because it deserves my money.
Bro im not even into crpg but i keep watching all ur vids hahah great content thanks!
I really wish I could experience this game for the first time again
The magic system is hands-down my favourite out of all the RPGs I've played. I cannot overstate how much I prefer the sigil system to "spellbook and spell slot" vancian magic.
Easily my favourite Obsidian game of all time, absolutely crying out for a sequel to resolve those multi-cliffhangers at the end there.
A fanfic writer's wet dream lol
brutally underatted, the magic system was very good
Not sure why this vid was recommended to me NOW, but... I loved Tyranny. I have gone through it many times with different endings each time. I could never even finish the two Pillars of Eternity games. I don't know why, but I just loved the world of Tyranny more than Obsidian's other rpgs, such as Pillars of Eternity. I think it was just how you can't really be a steriotypical "good" person like in most all crpgs. At best you can be a "decent" person. At worst, you are downright horrible and not in a cliche bad guy kind of way. And how your actions do come back to you as the game goes on. It's just an incredible game imo.
I really like the story / narrative / decision-making part of the game, but I feel it has too much tedious combat. Slogging thru the Old Walls and the Burning Library is such a chore.
I had no idea the company that made KOTOR II ended up needing to crowdfund games. I'd have thought that game would have put them on the map.
Just like KOTOR II sounds like the really did a good job at interesting villains.
I love this game so much, I'm glad to see it getting love and attention, it's one of my favorite crpgs in years and years.
I could not for the life of me think if a reason why this game didn't get as big as orginal pillars. Perhaps it was the abundance of new crpgs or maybe lack of 6 player party I don't know. But the game is amazing and I hope it gets a sequel.
The setting and the 'edicts' in this game were really unique, I never finished it due to other commitments but it was super cool, and gameplay felt a lot smoother than the PoE1.
Bought it, played the initial scenario, hated the setting. Tried it again, completely hooked for three weeks. It was awesome after I figured things out some and just got over being in an evil campaign.
Tyranny was one of my favourite ever rpg
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only problem I found in this game was the lack of enemy diversity (humans and ghost, a few beasts), the rest is excellent !
Might have to give this another shot.
Absolutely tailored my decision to give it a shot
By far my favorite cRPG! Bonus, get serious Malazan vibes when playing.
This game was clearly meant to be the first act of a trilogy and, since it underperformed, we'll never get the other two. Now, this game had plenty of problems, not only on the narrative side. But I believed it did poorly not due to its weaknesses but to its strenghts. This was a strange, unusual, unique game. One you got into without knowing for sure what to expect. It's always bold to make an rpg not ispired by medieval Europe, people crave the familiar, companies want safe investsments. Developers make the games people want to play not the games they want to make.
And that, my friends, is why we can't have nice things.
This needs to hit consoles... I don't own a pc, nor am I interested in gaming on pc but damn do you all have some great games.
Hey what's the settings you used for pause? I'm used to turn based games and so I'm having a hard time adjusting to strictly real time
Ah, Tyranny. One of my favourite games. Shame it ended up being so unfinished. It has some of the best writing I've seen in an RPG, is probably the best depiction of evil I've seen in a game, and has some great ideas I wish more RPGs would use like the Conquest section.
Also if you're unsure about buying it, it's on xbox game pass for PC which is how i found out about it
I claimed this game all the way back in 2017 or 18 when with Twitch Prime, then again from the EGS, guess I' ll start playing it!
I found difficulty curve of this game really weird. Normal mode was, for the most part, very well balanced for me, giving me just enough challange to keep me engaged without being frustrated, but then final couple of fight against the Archons were just... impossible. Like, genuinely impossible, I was incapable of out-DPSing their healing skills and fight dragged on forever, or rather until I inevitably run out of resources. I might have messed up my character I suppose and ended up with a build that was seriously sub-optimal, but if that was the case, then I shouldn't have been able to get to that point in the game with little difficulty. Overall great game, but the fact that I ended up switching to easy for the last two boss fights kinda robbed me of that satisfaction of finishing it.
Had both this and PoE in my account for years. Never really got into PoE, something about it I just don't gel with. Tried this, played it for 6 hours none stop on 1st sitting. One thing I will say, is the turns are so long, they might as well have added turn based and ramped up the difficulty a bit. Bow seems to really lag behind in levelling.
i love this game
i dont know why but its so much more fun as pillars of eternity
very underrated, same as your channel
Had a good deal of fun with this one and was very surprised by the abrupt ending.. I thought the game was just getting started 😪
Will it overwhelm a newbie? My first introduction to cRPG is DOS 2 , and im only familiar with turn based and not with pausing.
I'm so eager to start this game up. I see that there have been some DLC's released, but it looks like they've received mixed reviews. Should I just skip them? Also, is each path equally well written and satisfying to play? Is the Rebel path supposed to be "good" in comparison to the others, or is that just another form of evil, lesser or otherwise?
Rebel path isnt the "good". There's a side that's relatively good, although it's not good but at least they value dignity and honor.
My heart weeps this game isn’t on consoles. I guess I could buy it on Steam or Epic and play it via Geforce Now but I don’t know anything about that service.
That answers my question. As for Geforce, I cant speak for everyone but I haven't had any problems.
@@Blasted2Oblivion Yeah I just did it a few months ago and signed up for GFN. I never considered investing in a gaming PC to make financial sense so the streaming option has been working really well for me. Makes playing isometric games like Divinity and Wasteland more enjoyable. Game selection is a bit lacking, specifically wish the Souls series was on there but oh well.
I just bought this in 2021 haha. I’m loving being evil so far I’m just hacking off heads basically
I'm late replying to you, but I love that!
I just replayed this game a few months ago after playing it when it first came out YEARS ago. I'm so glad you got to experience this game. They don't make stories like this one anymore imo.
Got this for free as Epic Games store promotion. I played the hell out of PoE 1&2. Might as well give this one a shot.
I liked this game, but only once.
Multiple path-playthroughs need really super-solid gameplay loop. I just couldn't bring myself to play it again. I wanted to see the different paths, but....
That's what youtube 'all endings'-videos are for.
I really liked the premise of the game, played two hours, but I just hate the CRPG "real time with pause" element. Give me a grid and turns over that any day. Hopefully I'll get back to it one day for the story.
I dont understand why this game is so much under radars.
Its the most unique CRPG of our modern games, I say and it absolutely stunning.
This and the Pillars Game really showed why Obsidian are the best in worldbuilding.
I loved it! so sad there is no sequel
Omg this looks amazing I wish it was on Xbox
One of my favorite games, it wont happen but i really really want a tyranny 2
completed it 3 times and to me it's way better story wise and combat wise.It's my favorite crpg.
First game I bought in Steam after learning a bit of what D&D was.
Most of the vid I thought "eh looks worth a look at least" then the magic system came up. Just bought it solely for ziggy ball spell lunacy
What about the DLCs? Have the base game and excited to give it a go, but unsure if I should get the DLCs which seem to be poorly received.
IDK about the other one, but Bastard's Wound is worth it imo. adds a new big questline, a couple new locations, and importantly, new companion quests
Definitely on my rpg backlog list. Just need to replay New Vegas and Oblivion on PC, then play Outer Worlds , Divinity 2 and Cyberpunk. Starfield will already be out by then so hopefully will play by 2033
I love this game, such a shame we probably won't see a part 2.
This game was something special.
As cool as the pillars universe is and my potentially wasted excitement for avowed, I am infinitely more interested in the universe of tyranny and wish they were expanding on it
I love the story, the world they built and the depth of the morality system, just amazing. I think it was let down by a mediocre combat system however. It's a shame it got canned. I would have loved to see a sequel with an overhauled combat system and skill trees.
That Story sounds very interesting