Single Mom Wanda is hilarious. She got that "I don't got time for this" Attitude. Wakes up after in between universe and was like... I got kids. I got to get home. This is other Wanda's problem. I got a dinner to cook. BYE
@@sgtroach1510 I mean I understand that but after she got to them like bruh you were just being controlled by another version of yourself with stronger powers it seemed like they just went right back to their everyday life
@@sgtroach1510 yeah but dude, an interdimensional version of yourself just took your body and you don't know how, you'd wanna make sure it didn't happen again
Fun little detail: Doctor Strange mentions a "Situation with *Spider-Man* " at the beginning because he doesn't know who Peter Parker is, so he only knows that he met Spider Man.
Literally the first time he meets Peter Parker, Peter says “I’m Peter, by the way”. Did you watch Infinity War? It was a whole joke even present in the trailers for the film: “Oh we’re using our made up names? Then I’m Spider-Man.”
@@drawmelikeafrenchgirl If you watched No Way Home, you would know that Doctor Strange made everyone forget who Peter Parker is, but everyone knows about Spider Man. This included Doctor Strange, thus him calling it "A situation"
100% Elizabeth was the gold of this movie, she was so amazing I love the Carrie look on her she played her part so well, I hope we get more from her in the future, maybe in a future x men film
To answer Joe's question about the black captain marvel. That was Maria Rambeau. She was the test pilot friend to Carol Danvers in the Captain Marvel movie. Her daughter is Monica Rambeau who showed up in Wandavision and gained powers herself passing through the barrier of the town wanda took over too many times. In the comics she has gone by the name photon and even carried the Captain Marvel name for a while
Definitely hope to see John Krasinski be the MCU Reed Richards. Still think he's perfect for the role. Same with Anson Mount as Black Bolt. The fact that they mention inhumans in this film was cool too.
I dont think he’s coming back I think they used that movie to kill those actors off but let viewers see them on screen. Also I dont think they will ever bring black bolt to the main mcu
The Inhumans comic book in the 70s was a top seller and was light years past the corny TV show. But to stretch Richard's to death after 2 previous shytty versions of Fantastic Four movie attempts....dont sound like a good way to introduce the master scientist to us before the new version of F4 comes out next year. No matter what universe.
The roughly 5 minutes of screentime we got of John Krasinski as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic was legitimately better than all 3 of the live-action Fantastic Four movies combined.
The “Evil Strange”(one with the three eyes) isn’t the what if, what if strange’s Palmer died during the crush(the difference from regular universe was that Palmer went with him to the event and she was in the car during the crash) and he worked his way to trying to revive her. The evil strange said that he saw his Palmer get married and move on without him and he looked for a universe with he was with her instead, it didn’t work lol incursion happened.
Omg it Was so creepy when sinister strange said I will give you the dark cold for Christine Palmer, imagine of Doctor Strange said OK lol and left Christian Palmer and that really creepy scary sanctum
Yeah, kinda cringed at them thinking it's Supreme Strange, even if they don't remember much about What If it's pretty obvious. What If/Supreme Strange is several magnitudes of power stronger than ANYONE in this movie except maybe Scarlet Witch but he could've given even her a run for her money. He would've clapped MCU Strange in literal seconds. I mean FFS he literally deleted his entire universe lmao. Multiverse of Madness Strange was NOT the cause of his universes collapse.
I love the homage’s to both Evil Dead and Carrie in this movie. Also John Krasinski as Reed Richards. Reed Richards is one of the most important characters within The Marvel Multiverse. Also this movie shows just how scary powerful Wanda is
@@megamikethemovieman me personally it really depends on my mood. Mostly it teeters between Halloween 78, Alien, John Carpenter’s The Thing, I know it’s more satire than horror but I really like They Live. I also really like the films by Ari Astor and Robert Eggars. I also like It Follows, Mandy and Jordan Peele’s films
@@thedeepfriar745 Great choices! Original Halloween is my favorite. They Live is another great pick even though I consider that more SciFi. I cover lots of movies on my channel, feel free to stop by to enjoy some videos and so we can talk more horror movies. Superhero and horror movies are my favorite genres.
@@thedeepfriar745 I don't keep up with comics I'm a casual, can you explain the importance of Reed Richards briefly? I was glad to see John Krasinski though
@@helpy8973 so Reed Richards is the leader of The Fantastic Four. He’s also the smartest character in the Marvel universe and heads a group that studies the multiverse called The Future Foundation and that opens up a lot of stories for the the future
I feel like the dark strange at the destroyed world is the future version of our strange, because they both began in cristine's wedding but the dark version is obsessed with the "are you happy?" question
Whatever version of Strange it is, what it's definitely NOT is the What If Strange. That Strange (AKA Supreme Strange) is way stronger than everyone in this movie except maybe Scarlett Witch. He would've decimated MCU Strange in seconds.
One problem I have with the movie is that more than any other time in the MCU it feels like we skipped a whole film. Because we only ever see Mordo leave Strange at the end of his film and his first villainous act is in its mid-credit scene yet Strange brings up this history of animosity between the two that we've never seen or heard of in the MCU before this point. It legit feels like there was a whole second Dr. Strange movie where Mordo is the villain that we just never got to see and this is the supposed to be the third one because this is literally the first time the guy has been seen or mentioned in the MCU since the first Dr. Strange film.
Completely agree. I felt so lost in this movie. Like I had to remember events from Loki, WandaVision, Endgame, and Dr Strange 1 to understand what was happening then also get to know a new character. Then Wanda as the villain didn’t make much sense because vision is still alive (kinda)
He was supposed to be in this movie (the version of Mordo of the first movie) but they cut his scenes, he was supposed to have a scene with Wanda the beginning of the film, the scene is that he tries to stop her and has a fight with her but Wanda kills him by cutting his head off.
I like the fact that dreams are just a multiverse. It makes Tony's little rant about his dream at the beginning of infinity war about how him and Pepper had a kid and it seemed so real so much better because it means out there somewhere that is real and they got a happier ending.
Well of course there is a happier ending as statistically speaking (when you remove actor contracts) there should be far more universes where Tony either uses his first snap to make himself or the Ironman suit immune to the backlash or afterwards, the other Avengers realize, oh wait we have a time stone that could be used to restore Tony just like Thanos brought Vision back with it when Wanda destroyed him to destroy the stone he had.
28:05 In case people didn't remember, that was a throwback to the first Doctor Strange when Strange was fighting Kaecilius. Strange grabs the pot and aims it which causes Kaecilius to brace himself before he quips "You have no idea how to use that, do you?"
@@5pointview717 I believe this Christine was more knowledgeable than our Christine. With her Multiverse smarts and Illuminati access. She even knew what the pot's name was.
I was able to stay fully spoiler-free when going into this, and when Krasinski as Reed Richards is revealed and I FLIPPED. And when Patrick Stewart… aahhh…. Loved it. That was awesome.
Yup I don’t watch trailers or anything, wasn’t until after that I was told that Professor X was in the trailer! I would’ve been so mad if that got spoiled
To think they ACTUALLY SHOWED THE LIVING TRIBUNAL(when traversing the multiverse for the first time) and CLEA (mid-credits), HELL YEAH! Also, since we do not see Scarlet Witch's body, I am still hoping for a Cthone reveal!
I'm kinda surprised Vision isn't in this. Besides mentioning him getting killed by Thanos, he's just not there. I know Wanda cares about her kids but she loved Vision as well. Considering the kids are the exact same ones from WandaVision, no Vision in a multiverse movie like this just doesn't seem to make much sense. Like Vision could have been in that other universe Earth-838, just without the mind stone (given they found a way to remove it in there version of Infinity war). It would have been so impactful if both Wanda and Vision of that universe confronted the Scarlet Witch. Its disappointing they didn't even go that route or even provide anything on what happened to that Universe's Vision. Overall I thought the movie had a lot of cool moments. The Horror scenes were definitely the highlight. Strange was cool as well, and I didn't mind American Chavez. Also, I thought Loki or Syvlie would have been in this or mentioned, given this is called Multiverse of Madness and they talked about Incursions within the multiverse, we just had a series with a similar premise I think.
Agreed completely. I was shocked Vision basically ignored Wanda going nuts and slaughtering 100’s of people in this, despite having flown off at the end of Wandavision, with his old memories intact / restored ?
I think either they couldn't get Paul Bettany back in time, or Wanda knew that any alternate Vision would likely oppose her plan just like the Hex Vision she herself created ultimately turned against her. His presence would've overcomplicated things.
Wandavision ends with her kinda coming to terms with pietro and vision (more vision) but she was definitely not over her children because they were a fresh wound.
3 scenes stayed in my head the most after the movie. Strange and America flying through universes, Scarlet Witch vs Illuminati, Strange vs Strange with magic music :)
I’m regards to 11:09 the “African American” lady who played Captain Marvel has been in Marvel movies before. Her name is Lashana Lynch, she played Maria Rambeau in the Captain Marvel movie.
One thing that I loved about blackbolt is when he executes Doctor Strange. His voice got so loud in the theater speakers, I felt like I was taking blackbolts scream 😂 Really hope we get more Inhumans and blackbolt, I don't know much about them but they seem dope
One thing I loved about Blackbolt was how much of a fucking chump he was. A man trained all his life to never make a sound unless it was intentional kills himself because he's stupidly screamed when his mouth was gone. 10/10
@@VexdinLord So having a normal human reaction to something so unexpected and terrifying is being a chump? Can people make up your minds. This whole bi-polar attitude to normally professional characters reacting to things you and I would find terrifying with the appropriate level normies would is really annoying. Do you want them to be relatable or exceptional or not?
@@VunderGuy well, learning how to never make a noise, even in your sleep is sort of the thing I would assume would prevent something like this. I'd think he would be calm about it and not take any chances, since he knows how powerful he is. His how loud the scream was, if it was just an illusion, he might have just killed everyone in that room, even his friends. I would think we wouldn't take that chance since, you know, he's dealt with this his whole life?
@@VexdinLord No matter how well prepared a professional may be, they can't be prepared in every situation -- especially ones that are totally unexpected. In this case, he was caught completely unguard, panicked, and slipped up. Nothing more to it.
I died laughing when Joe stopped Joe and said, no, it’s not Professor X, it was Sir Patrick Steward. If you’ve seen their Picard reviews you know why that moment was hilarious!
I loved seeing Professor X, but apparently Patrick Steward got very old the last few years. It really shows. He does not act anymore because I fear he can't. It's so sad to seem him like that.
@@SurataV It’s sad but true. I’m glad we got to see him in the role again, but if they use the character in future films, I hope they use James McAvoy instead, or just recast the role.
When they introduced the dreamwalking spell, I thought the twist they were going for would be that 616 Wanda wasn’t actually 616 Wanda, but possessed by another Wanda from elsewhere in the multiverse.
If we had an extra 10-15 minutes with Iron Cruise and Dr Strange for some of it fighting Wanda and another evil Dr Strange would have been an epic perfect film
Wanda's realisation wasn't about the fact that she'd never hurt anyone - it was about the fact that she could not, in that moment, bring herself to call herself a mother to these children; the realisation that she was not a mother and had never been one. A moment of clarity in her clouded delusion.
It was hella lame when they could have gone full out, all movie we mostly get wanda shooting lasers and other generic stuff outside the horror sequences, and here we have AN EVIL STRANGE POWERED BY THE BOOK OF THE DAMNED and the FORMER SORCERER SUPREME and they just throw notes at each for a like 30 seconds? Really? They did magic hella lame, wanda can BEND REALITY, she turns mr fantastic into swiss cheese with a thought, and removes Blackbolts mouth, but suddenly she has a problem killing someone as measly as captain Carter?
@@scoutalejan8259 why? She literally wants nothing more than to get the book and is mercilessly slaughtering everyone, do you think she would bother wasting time to let strange get away?
If it gives you peace, I think he was trying to free that Wanda from the witche’s control. But wasn’t able to in time before she got him. But in a straight up death battle. Charles would have been able to hold his own way longer
Ultimate Strange knew he had to die because he took it upon himself to be corrupted by the darkhold enough to beat their Thanos. But needed to be killed to prevent the darkhold from taking over. In doing all that, he caused some other universes to collapse and also would have needed to be held accountable for that.
Blackbolt is my favorite character of all time, literally have multiple tattoos of him in the comics, his brief screen time was awesome and despite him dying, I am so excited to see if they bring the Inhumans into Earth 616 fully. Literally, just seeing him, I can overlook anything bad in the movie, call me biased...
There was an inhumans tv show that was supposed to be in the mcu but it bombed so it got cancelled after one season. The actor who played black bolt in the show also played him in this movie though which is cool.
I was mad at first seeing Wanda as a full villain, but after seeing how fucking badass and terrifying she was, I was all in. I loved how she just wrecked the Illuminati. I would say she’s the most scary, complex, and sympathetic MCU villain to date. As a mother myself, my heart still broke for her in the end. I LOVED the Evil Dead vibe some of the scenes had. My ONLY gripe is that we had Bruce Campbell, but we didn’t get a goddamn Ash Williams cameo. It’s even canon in the comics! It was a missed opportunity IMO. Other than that, I loved it. 9/10 for me. I would love to see a directors cut since they apparently cut out a good 40 minutes
Nahhh, Wanda was really cool but Thanos is still the best villain for me, every villain want to help himself, his family, his people or is just evil, Thanos wanted what is best for every living thing in our universe, and that's what makes him the most unique for me.
It's no longer Wanda though remember, the Darkhold had changed her completely and amplified her sorrow. Vision (even the new duplicated White Vision) not having magic capabilities wouldn't have been able to detect her in her own pocket reality apply orchard.
I'm going to copy pasta my previous comment, but this movie was bad. Like the reason why we didn't like Suicide Squad was because they created an "artificial villain" that honestly made no sense and was created with so much cringe and inconsistency that made you asked why these "heroes" didn't see it coming: The movie was really really bad. The writing was awful, with so many plot holes, inconsistencies, cringe moments that just made no sense ... and overall made the movie messy and unsatisfactory. Like why doesn't Wong ever teleport out of danger, why is this dark book stronger than the Infinity stones if she can travel the multiverse (I think Thanos would have killed to plan a multiverse genocide), how come her dreamwalking powers didn't wane when they went between realms for the book of Ashanti... and so many more WTH moments and plotholes.... Really bad Marvel movie on par with the early Thor movies. Do not watch!! 6/10 movie at best, above average with your overused tropes. The forced love story was just in the way of everything and it made no sense to include his love interest when literally fighting a multidimensional witch. Jokes never landed.
@@Smokey1419 Really bad movie. Don't care. So many weebs defending such horrible film. The entire time I was in the theater... I was like the fck is going on. Like why did you stop running, why did you tell her your superpower, why is the "ultimate nano-carbon impenetrable jail" now easy to break, why the fck can't you put in your own password to open up the cell, and why is this woman with no supernatural powers tagging along and "protecting you" ... the entire movie .. so fcking cringe with bad writing.
Anyone notice the Terminator 1 reference? When Wanda is chasing after Dr. Strange and the others underground. It mirrored the scenes from when the T-800 was chasing Sarah Connor, like how Wanda was limping and how her eyes were lit red. Also she was crushed to death, like the T - 800. Gotta give Sam Raimi or whoever thought of that credit.
@@ivansoyyo ikr she could of also force grabbed them, also strange didn't do shit when he saw her behind him lmao, but the only explanation I could think of is that in her mind she knew there was no stopping her and that she wants to inspire fear in them, especially stargirl
i get that reed doesnt really want to kill the wanda from his universe , that is why he is try to presuade her to not fight them because of blackbolt could easily kill her , and yes they underestimate her cause the wanda in their universe is not as strong as 616 wanda , but still the iluminati main concern is to not fight 616 wanda so they dont kill their variant of wanda
That right Reed never wanted to Fight. He told her about Black Bolt Power soo she would stand down, he could never know that she can bend reality and delete BB mouth his Wanda I think have the Power level of civil war Wanda
Why do you want to see her say “no more mutants?” That ship has sailed. Hey aren’t going to introduce mutants just to have Wanda will them away immediately. You’ll be waiting at least 10 more years
They mean at least something along the lines of that. The biggest speculative request is that she does the reverse and says, "Let there be mutants." or something similar.
The alternative Captain Marvel was Carol's friend and fellow pilot from the CM movie. I was also hoping we would see a universe where Stephen's sister was Doctor Strange and HE was the one who had died when they were children.
It pisses me off how neutered Dr. Strange is in the MCU. I am not even referring to the "Classic" version who is basically on-par with the classic beyonders, but the current version who even (temporaryly) attained God-level strength! Also, I hoped that Dr. Strange would get the power of the Vashanti's, one of his OG sources of strength in the comics.
@@Bladezeromus well wanda was the antagonist so its expected for her to be op, and captain marvel being op kinda proves my point since most people she's gone up against she one shots with little difficulty which is boring because the tension is gone If you have a op character who's the protagonist you gotta set them up against people equal to them, example thor vs hella
@@Zero-di3cf Well Wanda was OP before this movie. But because of the OP I thought you were saying that it was a problem to let Strange be OP but it was fine to leave the Mary Sues be.
Using Illuminati as X-Force was a hell of a shocking yet hilarious moment, especially since they really downplayed the threat of Scarlet Witch like it was totally manageable. (Unlike X-Force did with Cable)
A seasoned Prof. X like in this movie wouldve and shouldve 100% put up a better fight than that. I can see S Witch winning for the sake of the plot but I agree they've should've battled.
@@cheke_hs to be fair we dont actually know how long he had her stunlocked, time travels way differently in their mind so he could have had her trapped in place for 10 minutes
@@thee_morpheus Well i really think he can‘t trap her mind when that is one of her strongest powers to control other peoples mind. She was literally introduced with that.
@@thee_morpheus there is 2 Wandas in her Head sadly Charles Sense the Scarlet Witch to late....the One in White is His Wanda If he had focused on the Red mist(MCU Wanda) he could maybe had hold her much longer or even beat her
To be fair, surely it would have been easier for Wanda to just get pregnant instead of invading a bunch of different realities. Would have been alot less hassle
Pregnant to who?? Vision, as far as she knows, is completely gone and even then: Vis is an Android so she can't have real children with him. And this was explored in the comics: she goes insane when Mephisto shows up and absorbs her kids back into him no?
My biggest problem with the film is Wanda's motivation. After what happened in Wandavision this feels like a character involution. I mean, in Wandavision she already had what she's looking for in this movie and she ended it all because it wasn't real and she didn't want to hurt innocent people... just to go full murderer slasher style in this movie. And then at the end she has a change of heart AGAIN. It feels inconsistent. It feels like Wanda and America, exist not as characters but as plot devices. There's a ton of cool moments and visually impressive scenes, but the story feels like an excuse to go from one to another, when it should be the other way
Exactly!!! The resolution to the interdimensional threat was Dr. Strange telling America YOU CAN DO IT and than Wanda seeing her kids get scared of her. Really Stupid
It was explicitly explained in the movie and in Wandavision. She got hold of The Darkhold during Wandavision after she defeated Agnes. The book basically corrupts everything it comes into contact with.
Yeah America felt more like a plot device rather than an actual character. And Wanda's heel turn was something that should have developed as the movie progressed.
@@talentlessartist7929 barely. She could also redo Westview wich would be a lot easier than this. And it's kinda of bad excuse for changing a character's personality and motivation.
The way Wanda pulled a fucking Omni Man was amazing. I also really how the scene went. I think it was more a commentary of the superhero movie genre and the MCU as a hole. When the Illuminati entered the frame they were posing, looking heroic and cocky. Even with Black Bolts arm crossed and smirk. It basically threw all of that out of the window. Wanda didnt want to talk or hold back, she just wanted to kill anyone in her way. People look at this scene as wasting the characters but I really loved that scene, and Black Bolts death was so brutal, super brutal for a pg-13 movie, really pushing it.
I still can't fathom why the movie didn't explore wanda's fall into the darkness and starts killing people indiscriminately when her character development is literally against killing people, especially during civil war. I get that the darkhold corrupts the mind and eventually made her do all those things, but I'd like to see why and how she succumbed to it instead of her being a villain right away. Because when my friends watched it, they told me that they can't sympathize with wanda because the movie never got a chance to explain how she went crazy Edit: i get that she wants the kids, but we know wanda wouldn't go as far as to kill people without having her to reflect on it, which she never did throughout the movie
This is exactly what my problem was. They had a whole show based upon her tryna have a family, in the end finally accepts what she can't have. But, now they based a whole movie on her tryna get to kids in a diff universe. Kills a whole bunch of ppl and STILL ends up alone/dead? Like idk man, there was a lot going on
Completely agreed, she resolved her grief and accepted responsibility at the end of Wandavision but one cutscene of her reading the darkhold as justification for her bonkers is just really poor story telling
I like the movie but the storyline just seems kinda silly. Wanda was part of the Avengers and fought alongside Dr Strange against Thanos twice. Now she just goes out and kills hundreds of sorcerors to find some kids thats not even hers? It makes no sense. Way to ruin a good character Marvel.
She was forced to kill Vision for what she thinks is no reason. She's been losing sanity ever since. Then WandaVision happens, she's already evil there. She loses her kids, gets corrupted by Darkhold. Now she's completely unhinged.
One thing that I noticed that was interesting is that each Dr Strange used a different color magic. The Strange from the intro used blue and used some Ice Magic. The Sinister Strange(?) used Purple Magic, and of course our OG Strange uses the Orange Magic. I don't remember if the Doctor Strange killed by Black Bolt was even show doing Magic.
I believe its to do with the source of power. Sinister Strange uses purple magic the same as Agatha Harkness because both of their powers stems from the Darkhold. Im not sure why Defender Strange's powers are blue but it could just be because he's using more defensive spells hence his name
An important part about Clea's character other then the fact that she married Strange is that she is the Niece of Dormammu and is in line to rule the Dark Dimension.
I thought the musical fight was my favorite part. It was so creative. And mostly because I recognized some of the songs used. I for sure heard Bach's Toccata and Fugue which is so fitting for a horror element. And maybe even some Mahler. It was GREAT.
Maybe I'll like it more on rewatch but the initial reaction is a 6-7/10... The plot felt very convenient in parts, the CGI was bad in some spots, it felt like the action and especially Strange's powers were way weaker in this movie and I strongly disliked the acting from America.
My biggest problem with this is how the smartest human ever(Reed)...who knows about wanda and her powers... decides its smart to tell Wanda about and how to stop Black Bolt...
But the truth is that was always the most sensible logical thing to do... Wanda is unstoppable and this power is on the same level if not worst than the infinity gauntlet... So even chancing wanda getting her hands on it is absurdly irrisponsible, we see it in the first scene of the movie that her death in the grand calculous is justified And choosing the many over the few is arguably one of the biggest foundations of messing with the multiverse... Hence The whole of The Watchers character
I guess ya'll missed it but when they introduced Professor X they played the 80s cartoon XMen theme song as he rolled onto the stage. This movie was awesome.
I never realized how strong black bolt's suit was. I mean obviously they made it that way so it wouldn't be full on gore, but still, it contained the power of his scream.
I still really liked it, but by no means is it a masterpiece. I'm curious about the original script where nightmare was the main villain. I think it was a huge mistake to not have some kind of big bad pulling her strings(nightmare,mephisto, Shuma gorath, or cathone ) all would have been awesome to see. Imagine Sam Remy directing terrifying nightmares throughout the movie leading Wanda to do all the messed up things she did. And imagine a rated R full on trippy horror (without the campy normal MCU tone). It was still great but fuck.... It could be soooooo much better
America being able to control her powers so completely at the end ripped me out of the movie, how tf did she know where Wanda's alternate family lived? How did she know where to find strange. God it was stupid.
I think the film works a little better as the equivalent of a TV movie, finishing the ending to tv series, in this case WandaVision. Not necessarily the ending I’d have gone for, but I still loved the film so I can’t really complain. The Illuminati scene is entertaining just for how full of themselves most of the members are. I think a lot of fans are gonna hate it though for Reed alone.
I agree. It’s messed up because this is a DR STRANGE sequel. This movie ties up Wandavision and What if…. If someone watched this right after Dr. Strange 1 they’d be like WTF?!?!
I'm going to copy pasta my previous comment, but this movie was bad. Like the reason why we didn't like Suicide Squad was because they created an "artificial villain" that honestly made no sense and was created with so much cringe and inconsistency that made you asked why these "heroes" didn't see it coming: The movie was really really bad. The writing was awful, with so many plot holes, inconsistencies, cringe moments that just made no sense ... and overall made the movie messy and unsatisfactory. Like why doesn't Wong ever teleport out of danger, why is this dark book stronger than the Infinity stones if she can travel the multiverse (I think Thanos would have killed to plan a multiverse genocide), how come her dreamwalking powers didn't wane when they went between realms for the book of Ashanti... and so many more WTH moments and plotholes.... Really bad Marvel movie on par with the early Thor movies. Do not watch!! 6/10 movie at best, above average with your overused tropes. The forced love story was just in the way of everything and it made no sense to include his love interest when literally fighting a multidimensional witch. Jokes never landed.
People just need to remember cuz you see those characters get folded doesn’t mean they are perma dead. They were all just variants of the actual characters (like reed richards) the F4 film is still coming for people that forgot
The biggest question that I have for Marvel is, why did they release Wandavision and Dr. Strange so far apart? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Wandavision to have Boba Fett's release slot on Disney +? I didn't remember Strange was even involved or knew about Wanda and that town.
it was Covid related, Strange was meant to appear in the end credits of Wandavision (timings didn't work out) and DS2:MoM was supposed to come out earlier
@@nickkowal619 yeah everything has been knocked back from previous relate dates, also some films have switched places from the order they were going to get released in order to connect the stories in order. Covid fucked a lot of things up.
@@Oscar_Myk I've heard that Dr Strange was dropped out of Wandavision because of the cultural change by metoo and other stuff since they didn't want to end a female lead show with a white man appearing an teaching Wanda what to do
Also a fun note: The Brazier Christine uses is a fun callback to the first movie, when Strange is fighting Kaecilius for the first time and grabs the same Brazier, which freaks Kaecilius out, following with: "You dont know how to use it do you?". The Brazier moment in MoM shows exactly why he freaked out when Strange grabbed it initially.
I wish that was Shuma Gorath. That was something that looked like, but wasn't Shuma Gorath. Shuma Gorath is a cosmic level threat. Incredibly powerful psychic and telekinetic on top of being immortal.
@@greggtheegg1976 I think they do but didn't probably want the hassle of double-checking things. They still use "Shuma" elsewhere. Probably a bureaucracy thing
I thought John Krasinski as Reed Richards was hilarious because people have been fancasting him for years, and they finally got what they wanted only for him to be killed off 2 minutes later
I agree with Alex earlier on the non spoiler review, the tone was a bit confusing. It couldn't keep it consistently. The other is with Reed Richards, one of the smartest man alive just told Wanda, a current threat, the source of power of Black Bolt which got him killed. Don't get me wrong they would've died regardless but even in battle you don't tell the enemy what you or your allies are capable of that's just a dumb strategy. That was some anime writing men. But I'll put it that Reed doesn't prefer violence and tried his best to do it peacefully by trying to intimidate Wanda enough for her to back off and it backfired quite horribly.
In their universe they don’t know of scarlet witch or what she’s capable of. The council focuses on strange as the bad guy. So it makes sense that mentioning bolt’s power wouldn’t be perceived to be a danger. Scarlet was clearly OP in that scene but I think rightfully so.
I thought the movie made it very clear they under estimated the danger from their own experience with strange and Wanda. a. Thinking strange was the biggest threat making them not listen to reason and b. Thinking Wanda would be reasoned with or not capable of defeating them because they was clearly ill-informed of how powerful she is with the darkhold
Yeah, but we can all agree the movie was awesome. Hope they bring back the Illuminati though, that Black Bolt costume looked great and was pleasantly surprised they brought back the guy who played him in Inhumans despite that show being ummm, well it wasn't a great show.
OK... As a Doctor Strange expert, allow me to explain some things... 1. The McGuffin books are canon; both were the tomes of powers copied by primordial entities. The Book of the Vishanti is a book of Light/White Magic, ment for spells and incantations for life and creation. The Book of the Darkhold is the book of Black/Dark Magic, ment for spells and incantations for destruction and chaos. Typically, the Darkhold resides in the possession of the Sorcerer Supreme...or The Devil. Likewise, the Book of the Vishanti is possessed by the Sorcerer Supreme...or the Court of the Vishanti, who are a (usually) Triumvirate of 3 Primordial Entities of Light...the Great Aggamotto use to be one, until the giant green space caterpillar decided to take a holiday and nope-off to his own Dimension of Space-Time to get High for several millennia... ...true story. 2. Charlise Theron is Vira, Niece of Dormammu, and Doctor Stranges future wife... which is why it looked like the Dark Dimension behind her...because it was! On that subject, "Love" is actually a powerful element in Spells, Incantations, and Imbuings; but this isn't the "Harry Potter" stuff, this is the reaction of positive energy reinforcing Light/White Magic substantially. Long story short; if you think about good emotions and bad emotions, you can burn yourself out on hate, but you can't burn out on love, or kindness. 3. The Scarlet Witch and the Temple... This feels like where the movie Lore failed... so, the Scarlet Witch, Wanda, is foretold, because by pure chance, eventually someone will be born with just the right genetic make-up to be different; in the real world, this could be immune to Radiation, in Comics, its having a brain chemistry mutation synced to Cthon, Primordial God of Chaos...defeated millions of years ago by the Vishanti, but dust of his remains laid upon the Primordial Earth. Moving forward several million years, Wanda was born, and thanks to her mutation, she could "hear the whispers of Cthon" and wielded the power of Chaos Magic. The temple came about because devil worshippers and Dark magicians who searched for ancient Dark masters, came upon Cthons story, but their can only be 1 who channels its power...hence, the Scarlet Witch legend. Ironically, Cthons influence on Wanda was only ever lessened by 2 people... her brother, and her father. *Dum Dum DUUUUUMMM!!,* Yeah, Quicksilver and Magneto... Actually, if I recall correctly, Magneto actually use to disrupt the bio-electric field around Wanda's head to quiet Cthon's influence, but retain her powers... because, y'know, dad's... Anyway... Doctor Strange 2? Yeah, it was awesome to someone like me... Doctor Strange 3 better have Nightmare!!! ...also, I'm sure by now Mephisto is cracking a sh1t because the Darkhold is gone...
I wish we could have gotten some sort of variant of Iron Man, preferably the one played by Tom Cruise suggested by old rumors, would have been awesome but cruel if Wanda crushed him inside of his greatest creation!
Man I wanted Shang Chi to pop up in that fight when Wong called for help. Would have been so cool. Can’t believe the Illuminati got beat so bad but it was great. They didn’t really stand a chance against her. Great movie.
In No Way Home, when Spiderman enters the Sanctum and you see all the snow and 2 random people cleaning up and they look Asian, I was WISH that was Shang-chi and Katy
The music scene was interesting. I feel like it's something I would have an issue with but I liked it. I liked how it was actually tied into the music it was just quite cool. I rationalized it as it was easy for him to cast those spells because of the music sheets/instruments around him.
I wish there was more multiverse stuff. More alternate characters. Perhaps the movie was over hyped in that sense, as there were SO many rumours and some of them sounded badass. It's the multiverse of madness after all. Go ALL out! I want cameos and alternate heroes/villains everywhere. The ones we got were cool but not enough for me personally. It's still a great movie though.
@@mickeymouse7726 I agree. I liken MoM to Civil War: it has all those fun fan service moments for fans, but it straight up is about Steven Strange and his struggles.
I feel like Scarlet witch sacrifice at the ending felt anti climatic,and she was only build up for one movie. I wish they continue to use her in some type of capacity.
I agree with Alex, let Raimi be Raimi. I think that's what I was also missing from the movie. But be warned: When Raimi is Raimi you get the dance sequence in Spiderman 3
It must get exhausting to spend a whole movie wondering how to make things make sense and make everything logical. Can you not just sit and watch the movie and enjoy? This is a fantasy movie dealing with multiverse it’s not going to be logical at all. Also not meant to be some complex A24 indie film with tight logic. Also doesn’t help that these guys aren’t marvel fans and most times forget what happens in all these other movies so this movie isn’t even aimed for people like them
My thoughts exactly. People are too literal when it comes to a COMIC BOOK movie. People forget Marvel Studios is 10 steps ahead of everyone. If you're still complaining at this point stop watching them.
I love when movies/games do creative things with music. I liked the music fight, but I personally thought it was out of place. After the horror scenes we just had, they throw in a funny/cool music fight? I wish it was at the beginning of the movie instead of at that point. And one thing I kinda hated was how Scarlet Witch is defeated. It's pretty much a Wonder Woman 84 ending (which was so stupid). I was hoping for some Wanda vs Wanda action but nope.
I actually enjoyed the music fight a lot. I take your point about it being of a lower scale than that before or after, but a breather isn't necessarily a bad thing. But in terms of them choosing to use music notes, I saw it more as good Strange grasping at whatever he had to use as a weapon, and evil Strange trying to make a point by using that weapon back at him. It was basically a battle of the egos.
It was actually super creative! I'm surprised they dismissed it. the music in the notes of the battle were embedded in the score. You can hear the 3D audio changing positions in the cinema. Truly something ripped out of a doctor strange comic made into a 3D sequence. Its such a small fight but displays how trippy and awesome doctor strange is as a character.
Maybe I've just been watching too much Rick and Morty, but if the multiverse is infinite, why would Wanda choose a universe where she was still alive? Just find a universe where the boys are there, but the Wanda of that Universe recently got killed and just slide in to take her place. That plan is at least marginally less evil!
Remember she can only see alternate universes where she exists when she sleeps. And she can't visit them safely without America Chavez's powers. So, if there does exists such a universe where she is dead, she needs those powers to find it.
Exactly. I don’t buy the Wanda is evil narrative of this movie. Like there has not been enough time to develop that character change. Last time we saw her she sacrificed the existence of her children to save innocent lives. To go from that to her murdering everyone for the kids doesn’t add up.
@@DanandRickinthebasement She sacrificed her fake children to save innocent lives that she was threatening to begin with. How much more literally evil do you need Wanda to be before you admit that she was evil?
As of late his reviews have become so inconsistent I've been feeling that I really can't follow his reasoning, the only reason I keep coming back is just Alex, Joe turns his brains off for this movie but then underplays moonight to hell. Because he "he has to turn his critic brain" but only on Wednesday apparently because tonight he ate all the lazy writing you could possibly imagine.
The music fight was probably the best part of the movie for me! Alex is dead wrong here, it was very innovative and one of the more creative moments in the film!!
Usually agree with Alex but I think his opinion on the music fight contradicts what he says about Sam Raimi. He wanted the movie to be more like a Sam Raimi film but the music fight was the most Raimi like scene. Just seems like he thinks he wanted more Raimi but actually didn’t.
Besides the battle scenes, might favor part was when Strange and Chavez falling through the difference universes, they kinda teased Namor with the "ocean world"
So many moments in this movie made me go 👀. My absolute favorite moment was when Strange, while dream-walking in the corpse of his doppelgänger from another universe, channels THE SOULS OF THE DAMNED to fly across the stark-white void of Wundergor towards Wanda.
I can't be the only one when you learn about Wanda wanting to be with her kid wondering what the hell about Vision. Where is Vision in these other universes?
@@flowers2734 my thing was she created that whole world in wandavision because he died but in this movie she doesn't care about finding alternate universes with him in them I guess.
We've now had an TV show AND a movie which basically served as therapy sessions for Wanda, with a body count. This is more or less a copy of Wandavision, theme-wise. "I lost Vision (which she mentioned ONCE in the movie, not even by name), I'll keep a town hostage until I realize that's not right" "I lost my (made-up) children, I'll kill A LOT of people until I realize that's not right" I enjoyed the movie, but I was also kind of disappointed, especially in this aspect. Also, definitely noticed Raimi's style sometimes and didn't actually like it that much, just too noticeable/on the nose. Also, how could she destroy the Darkhold in EVERY universe? The Illuminati were kind of cool, but also kind of just too much, for too little. They threw Prof x, Captain Carter and Reed Richards and an alternate Captain Marvel in there, out of nowhere, only to have them act all high and mighty and fucking stupid "nah, Scarlet Witch isn't that dangerous, YOU are. Oh shit, we were wro----" and be killed off 10 minutes later. Seriously, what were Stretchy Guy Reed Richards and Captain Carter gonna do about THE SCARLET WITCH?!
The biggest problem with the movie is that it feels like it was supposed to be a TV show, or it would have been better as one. It feels like loki would feel if it was a movie instead of a show.
Black woman Captain Marvel was actually her best mate from the Captain Marvel movie, Rambaeu. That was actually pretty good casting but I think most people couldn't tell who she was.
For a movie that deals with the infinite vastness of the multiverse, I can't help but feel it was brimming with missed opportunity. I could clearly follow everything and approved of certain creative decisions, but I ultimately think this movie failed to deliver something truly substantive by the time the credits rolled.
Definitely missed opportunities. The movie needed the Loki from the show to have some nice bickering. Why have a show that specifically mentions the breaking down of barrieres between the MV, why have a movie that specifically shows a breaking down of barriers between the MV (Spiderman NWH), and then not mention it again in the following installment that is about the frigging MV?
People just overhyped themselves. If it traversed hundreds of universes in a single movie within 2 hours, there would be no substance and no plot. Each stop was significant to the story. I liked it. Sure, they can always do more, but the entire phase 4 will cover the multiverse so..
That Strange V Strange fight was one of my favs, though I get why people would say it went on too long. I study EEG, however, and a FREQUENT comparison brought up when discussing oscillations of waves is either fans clapping in a stadium or an orchestra playing in concert; discordant notes in either setting create a jumbled mess of noise, but intentional timing between notes projects much more amplitude or cohesion in the sound to either create structure shaking vibrations (a stadium clapping in unison) or a Beethoven symphony (when an orchestra plays a piece in timed succession). That duel of notes was exactly this and I loved it, especially that final note throwing everything into chaos.
I thought it should have been longer with original music, one darker vibes, the other more beautiful sounding and pleasant, big crescendo. It was kinda uninspired musically, there fo power dropped the ball for sure. The fact that it happened was awesome and super creative, love the moment just not the actual music
@@heythere6983 For sure the music should have been played up way more. Even after I picked up on the oscillation vibes it took me a moment to realize the music within the attacks was separate from the score.
For a film called “The Multiverse of Madness” I was hoping to see more universes with some crazy differences. In the montage we saw comic book style, paint, underwater, dinosaurs and loads of other crazy things. But what we got was new york covered in flowers, and new york with floating buildings and cars.
The movie it's called "Doctor Strange" in TMOM, it's a film about Doctor Strange dialing with the multiverse versions of himself. The whole problem with this movie was definitely the trailers that revealed to much
From what I understand wanda did the power draining thing from wanda vision on captain marvel. So she had no power and the pillar smoosh was basically crushing a normal human.
“We are the Illuminati” ugh Red is green ?! that universe is a Red flag number one 😂 then omfg the part where they running from her Abe dr closes the door and they just stand there all dramatic 🤣 so campy felt like an 80s b movie with that script omg the script disappointed me…
Hopefully we'll explore Earth-838 again in some other media like maybe What If Season 2 as I really want to see the aftermath of the events that happened. Spoilers below....... The Scarlet Witch pretty much wiped out the leaders of the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, and the Inhumans, pretty sure the hero's of Earth-838 will not let Wanda off the hook. This could lead to a multiverse wide conflict between Earth-616 (Yes MCU is now confirmed as Earth-616) and Earth-838 like a Crisis on Two Earths story with Superior Iron Man being the main villain who took advantage of a weaken illuminati placing himself as the head of the Illuminati. On the MCU being Earth-616 I could see this being explained by the Multiverse War where maybe the comic version existed as one of these universes apart of the war but was then wiped out after Kang ended the war which then gave birth to a new Earth-616 creating the MCU.
Well the rumors have been Secret Wars is coming, so by that point 616 will have been interfering in the multiverse quite a bit, so I imagine there will be plenty of reasons for other universes to hate the main one.
I'm so glad they killed off Reed... Like wow... It's like MCU confirms it. We can NEVER have a good Fantastic 4 movie. Oh and killing off Xavier who is basically Xavier from animated series. With floaty chair, the theme and all... Thank you MCU. Very cool. Now kindly fuck off with whatever mess of an X-men movie you want to do because I don't give a shit now that you pulled this. Illuminati stuff makes me mad. It's basically a complete waste.
to be fair I'm sure that Captain Marvel survived at least. Like they pointed out in the review a statue falling on her is probably something she could survive, it probably just knocked her out long enough to make her irrelevant for the rest of the fight. So if they continue in 838 in the future I imagine they'll have her still kicking.
Can anyone explain to me why Wong hits his head so many times in this film? Was Rami trying to make it look like he was going to die, because not once did I feel Wong was going to die. I swear He hits his head 3 or 4 times, but it never seemed to go anywhere.
My biggest question is why couldn’t Wanda do any of these: have kids the normal way by getting pregnant, make two kids in her universe through magic, or just adopt two kids?
@@xXxKAMIKAZExXx It’s not a stretch … That’s how human beings are … They’re intensely identified with the most ridiculous things. We literally have people intensely identifying with genders … You guys are stretching. Stretching context. She wanted the kids that she was identified with-not a couple new magic ones.
Single Mom Wanda is hilarious. She got that "I don't got time for this" Attitude. Wakes up after in between universe and was like... I got kids. I got to get home. This is other Wanda's problem. I got a dinner to cook. BYE
😂😂😂 Lol
I also thought that was crazy. Like how she just woke up and peaced out back to her kids. She didn't want to understand what was going on?
@@RebornKingz to be fair if you were a single parent and your young kids were home alone you would run to them
@@sgtroach1510 I mean I understand that but after she got to them like bruh you were just being controlled by another version of yourself with stronger powers it seemed like they just went right back to their everyday life
@@sgtroach1510 yeah but dude, an interdimensional version of yourself just took your body and you don't know how, you'd wanna make sure it didn't happen again
The Zombie Strange with the skeletons covering him is one of the coolest superhero forms I’ve ever seen
It was so badass too
Damn it why you spoiling me bro!?
So fucking cool, I love how the movie just full on embraced that weird shit. That's where the movie shines, although the script is so cliche.
@@Lugen You're in the comments section of a spoiler review, my dude. You brought that on yourself.
That was metal af. Love it and wish we'd seen more of it
I love how she asked reed if his kids have their mother. Fucking terrifying moment
so you are 10 years old then?
@@Charok1 bro it’s just a good moment. Sent a chill down my spine cuz I knew in that moment it was over for everyone. Damn let us enjoy shit
@@Ethanshmeethan00 he's probably 10
Dumbest Moment in Film History.
The disrespect to Reed tho.
Fun little detail: Doctor Strange mentions a "Situation with *Spider-Man* " at the beginning because he doesn't know who Peter Parker is, so he only knows that he met Spider Man.
Yeah except he'd would never would have said "situation with Peter Parker" because why would he, the girl wouldn't know who that is
Literally the first time he meets Peter Parker, Peter says “I’m Peter, by the way”.
Did you watch Infinity War? It was a whole joke even present in the trailers for the film:
“Oh we’re using our made up names? Then I’m Spider-Man.”
@@drawmelikeafrenchgirl If you watched No Way Home, you would know that Doctor Strange made everyone forget who Peter Parker is, but everyone knows about Spider Man. This included Doctor Strange, thus him calling it "A situation"
@@drawmelikeafrenchgirl whoosh!
100% Elizabeth was the gold of this movie, she was so amazing I love the Carrie look on her she played her part so well, I hope we get more from her in the future, maybe in a future x men film
Wasn't that oil?
@Follow God:God loves you repent it will be worth it God bless you all💕💜♥️❤❤
To answer Joe's question about the black captain marvel. That was Maria Rambeau. She was the test pilot friend to Carol Danvers in the Captain Marvel movie. Her daughter is Monica Rambeau who showed up in Wandavision and gained powers herself passing through the barrier of the town wanda took over too many times. In the comics she has gone by the name photon and even carried the Captain Marvel name for a while
That’s was not the same acress from captain marvel tho?
@@lbabytutorials4852 it was.
I'm surprised a lot of people didn't notice that glad I'm not the only one
@@lbabytutorials4852 sure was. She had short hair is all.
better then the one we got. :D
Definitely hope to see John Krasinski be the MCU Reed Richards. Still think he's perfect for the role. Same with Anson Mount as Black Bolt. The fact that they mention inhumans in this film was cool too.
@@Mattyfootyy tf is with you?
I was so happy to see him get decimated by Scarlett Witch.
I dont think he’s coming back I think they used that movie to kill those actors off but let viewers see them on screen. Also I dont think they will ever bring black bolt to the main mcu
@@mittendemon4493 they alr making a FF movie, why would they bring him just to recast someone who is worse?
The Inhumans comic book in the 70s was a top seller and was light years past the corny TV show. But to stretch Richard's to death after 2 previous shytty versions of Fantastic Four movie attempts....dont sound like a good way to introduce the master scientist to us before the new version of F4 comes out next year. No matter what universe.
The roughly 5 minutes of screentime we got of John Krasinski as Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic was legitimately better than all 3 of the live-action Fantastic Four movies combined.
it's funny 'cause it's true.
It was sad how quickly they died off.
Now get his real life wife (an actual blonde) play the invis woman. Emily blunt? I'd be down for a fantastic 4 if done well.
@@angelgjr1999 They are alive on other Universes.
Eh, og Reed Richard's is still my GOAT.
The “Evil Strange”(one with the three eyes) isn’t the what if, what if strange’s Palmer died during the crush(the difference from regular universe was that Palmer went with him to the event and she was in the car during the crash) and he worked his way to trying to revive her. The evil strange said that he saw his Palmer get married and move on without him and he looked for a universe with he was with her instead, it didn’t work lol incursion happened.
Omg it Was so creepy when sinister strange said I will give you the dark cold for Christine Palmer, imagine of Doctor Strange said OK lol and left Christian Palmer and that really creepy scary sanctum
What If... = Strange Supreme
MOM = Sinister Strange.
You don't need to go further to know they aren't the same.
Im pretty sure supreme strange wouldve wiped the floor with current strange
@@miguelortiz8350 he sure would have but strange supreme wasn’t in the movie, which is what I said in the first place.
Yeah, kinda cringed at them thinking it's Supreme Strange, even if they don't remember much about What If it's pretty obvious. What If/Supreme Strange is several magnitudes of power stronger than ANYONE in this movie except maybe Scarlet Witch but he could've given even her a run for her money. He would've clapped MCU Strange in literal seconds.
I mean FFS he literally deleted his entire universe lmao. Multiverse of Madness Strange was NOT the cause of his universes collapse.
I love the homage’s to both Evil Dead and Carrie in this movie. Also John Krasinski as Reed Richards. Reed Richards is one of the most important characters within The Marvel Multiverse. Also this movie shows just how scary powerful Wanda is
What’s your favorite horror movie of all time?
@@megamikethemovieman me personally it really depends on my mood. Mostly it teeters between Halloween 78, Alien, John Carpenter’s The Thing, I know it’s more satire than horror but I really like They Live. I also really like the films by Ari Astor and Robert Eggars. I also like It Follows, Mandy and Jordan Peele’s films
@@thedeepfriar745 Great choices! Original Halloween is my favorite. They Live is another great pick even though I consider that more SciFi. I cover lots of movies on my channel, feel free to stop by to enjoy some videos and so we can talk more horror movies. Superhero and horror movies are my favorite genres.
@@thedeepfriar745 I don't keep up with comics I'm a casual, can you explain the importance of Reed Richards briefly? I was glad to see John Krasinski though
@@helpy8973 so Reed Richards is the leader of The Fantastic Four. He’s also the smartest character in the Marvel universe and heads a group that studies the multiverse called The Future Foundation and that opens up a lot of stories for the the future
I feel like the dark strange at the destroyed world is the future version of our strange, because they both began in cristine's wedding but the dark version is obsessed with the "are you happy?" question
It can't be. The book got destroyed before 616 Strange could have it
That’s what I thought, that he’s the same as our Strange but America never interrupted the wedding.
Whatever version of Strange it is, what it's definitely NOT is the What If Strange. That Strange (AKA Supreme Strange) is way stronger than everyone in this movie except maybe Scarlett Witch. He would've decimated MCU Strange in seconds.
@@gamemeister2905 Supreme Strange is the version Blackbolt killed. Sinister Strange is the one in the destroyed universe.
@@PlusOne2Crit that isn't supreme strange
One problem I have with the movie is that more than any other time in the MCU it feels like we skipped a whole film. Because we only ever see Mordo leave Strange at the end of his film and his first villainous act is in its mid-credit scene yet Strange brings up this history of animosity between the two that we've never seen or heard of in the MCU before this point. It legit feels like there was a whole second Dr. Strange movie where Mordo is the villain that we just never got to see and this is the supposed to be the third one because this is literally the first time the guy has been seen or mentioned in the MCU since the first Dr. Strange film.
Completely agree. I felt so lost in this movie. Like I had to remember events from Loki, WandaVision, Endgame, and Dr Strange 1 to understand what was happening then also get to know a new character. Then Wanda as the villain didn’t make much sense because vision is still alive (kinda)
@@anthonym9494 welcome to comic book storytelling
@@anthonym9494 this has nothing to do with Loki
He was supposed to be in this movie (the version of Mordo of the first movie) but they cut his scenes, he was supposed to have a scene with Wanda the beginning of the film, the scene is that he tries to stop her and has a fight with her but Wanda kills him by cutting his head off.
@@anthonym9494 it makes sense because at the end of WandaVision, you see her studying the Darkhold.
I like the fact that dreams are just a multiverse. It makes Tony's little rant about his dream at the beginning of infinity war about how him and Pepper had a kid and it seemed so real so much better because it means out there somewhere that is real and they got a happier ending.
Well of course there is a happier ending as statistically speaking (when you remove actor contracts) there should be far more universes where Tony either uses his first snap to make himself or the Ironman suit immune to the backlash or afterwards, the other Avengers realize, oh wait we have a time stone that could be used to restore Tony just like Thanos brought Vision back with it when Wanda destroyed him to destroy the stone he had.
28:05 In case people didn't remember, that was a throwback to the first Doctor Strange when Strange was fighting Kaecilius. Strange grabs the pot and aims it which causes Kaecilius to brace himself before he quips "You have no idea how to use that, do you?"
Great catch. Totally forgot about that.
How does Christine know how to use it? So illogical - should have been 616 Strange using it as a throwback
@@5pointview717 I believe this Christine was more knowledgeable than our Christine. With her Multiverse smarts and Illuminati access. She even knew what the pot's name was.
@@5pointview717 she probably found out from her association with her Strange.
@@5pointview717 it was said in the movie she is deeply involved with artifacts and how strange used spells
I was able to stay fully spoiler-free when going into this, and when Krasinski as Reed Richards is revealed and I FLIPPED.
And when Patrick Stewart… aahhh…. Loved it. That was awesome.
Same!
Lucky. I went on opening day and when I got home people had cellphone filmed it, put it on YT and put it in the title. My friends all got spoiled.
Lies all yall don't lie to kick it 😴
Yup I don’t watch trailers or anything, wasn’t until after that I was told that Professor X was in the trailer! I would’ve been so mad if that got spoiled
That 90 xmen music, it was perfect
To think they ACTUALLY SHOWED THE LIVING TRIBUNAL(when traversing the multiverse for the first time) and CLEA (mid-credits), HELL YEAH! Also, since we do not see Scarlet Witch's body, I am still hoping for a Cthone reveal!
YEAH >:D
Secret wars is coming
Yo, i missed them!!
WHAT IF instead of Clea showing up, it was Sersi Asking for help with the Celestials?
Living tribunal hype
I cant fucking believe how gruesome this was, usually the MCU uses buzzwords for these films film but they really leaned into the horror.
IT WAS AMAZING FOR THAT FACT ALONE!!
Yep black bolts death was one that stuck to me.
@@yourarchnemesis8453 Same, that kill blew my mind. I was speechless.
@@yourarchnemesis8453 The one I loved the most was Captin Carter FOR SURE! So gruesome!! SHE GOT CUT IN HALF WITH HER OWN SHIELD!!
@@Often_Uneliable minds were blow for sure ;P
I'm kinda surprised Vision isn't in this. Besides mentioning him getting killed by Thanos, he's just not there. I know Wanda cares about her kids but she loved Vision as well. Considering the kids are the exact same ones from WandaVision, no Vision in a multiverse movie like this just doesn't seem to make much sense. Like Vision could have been in that other universe Earth-838, just without the mind stone (given they found a way to remove it in there version of Infinity war). It would have been so impactful if both Wanda and Vision of that universe confronted the Scarlet Witch. Its disappointing they didn't even go that route or even provide anything on what happened to that Universe's Vision.
Overall I thought the movie had a lot of cool moments. The Horror scenes were definitely the highlight. Strange was cool as well, and I didn't mind American Chavez.
Also, I thought Loki or Syvlie would have been in this or mentioned, given this is called Multiverse of Madness and they talked about Incursions within the multiverse, we just had a series with a similar premise I think.
Agreed completely. I was shocked Vision basically ignored Wanda going nuts and slaughtering 100’s of people in this, despite having flown off at the end of Wandavision, with his old memories intact / restored ?
How was Vision or Quicksilver not in this movie? All that trauma and she just wanted to still some fake kids she made up in another universe?
I think either they couldn't get Paul Bettany back in time, or Wanda knew that any alternate Vision would likely oppose her plan just like the Hex Vision she herself created ultimately turned against her. His presence would've overcomplicated things.
That soul stone combined with that advanced A.I. probably made him realize something we don't know.
Wandavision ends with her kinda coming to terms with pietro and vision (more vision) but she was definitely not over her children because they were a fresh wound.
3 scenes stayed in my head the most after the movie. Strange and America flying through universes, Scarlet Witch vs Illuminati, Strange vs Strange with magic music :)
I’m regards to 11:09 the “African American” lady who played Captain Marvel has been in Marvel movies before. Her name is Lashana Lynch, she played Maria Rambeau in the Captain Marvel movie.
One thing that I loved about blackbolt is when he executes Doctor Strange. His voice got so loud in the theater speakers, I felt like I was taking blackbolts scream 😂
Really hope we get more Inhumans and blackbolt, I don't know much about them but they seem dope
Love the inhumans
One thing I loved about Blackbolt was how much of a fucking chump he was. A man trained all his life to never make a sound unless it was intentional kills himself because he's stupidly screamed when his mouth was gone. 10/10
@@VexdinLord
So having a normal human reaction to something so unexpected and terrifying is being a chump? Can people make up your minds. This whole bi-polar attitude to normally professional characters reacting to things you and I would find terrifying with the appropriate level normies would is really annoying. Do you want them to be relatable or exceptional or not?
@@VunderGuy well, learning how to never make a noise, even in your sleep is sort of the thing I would assume would prevent something like this. I'd think he would be calm about it and not take any chances, since he knows how powerful he is. His how loud the scream was, if it was just an illusion, he might have just killed everyone in that room, even his friends. I would think we wouldn't take that chance since, you know, he's dealt with this his whole life?
@@VexdinLord No matter how well prepared a professional may be, they can't be prepared in every situation -- especially ones that are totally unexpected. In this case, he was caught completely unguard, panicked, and slipped up. Nothing more to it.
I died laughing when Joe stopped Joe and said, no, it’s not Professor X, it was Sir Patrick Steward. If you’ve seen their Picard reviews you know why that moment was hilarious!
I loved seeing Professor X, but apparently Patrick Steward got very old the last few years. It really shows. He does not act anymore because I fear he can't. It's so sad to seem him like that.
@@SurataV It’s sad but true. I’m glad we got to see him in the role again, but if they use the character in future films, I hope they use James McAvoy instead, or just recast the role.
I have no idea what you're referencing to
@@domphilbrick they gave us our moment. Even had the X Men theme. Now recast...
When they introduced the dreamwalking spell, I thought the twist they were going for would be that 616 Wanda wasn’t actually 616 Wanda, but possessed by another Wanda from elsewhere in the multiverse.
That would’ve been dope but we got T-1000 Wanda
Kinda, wasn’t she possessed by the book of doom?
That's what I was scared of, a total cop-out like that. But they stuck to their guns.
@@ShadowSonic2 Same I would've been mad if they tried to brush off her atrocities like that.
@@AleXand4life Oopsie poopsie I did some bad shit again, time for another exile
If we had an extra 10-15 minutes with Iron Cruise and Dr Strange for some of it fighting Wanda and another evil Dr Strange would have been an epic perfect film
it was an too long anyway. 2 hrs personally
Wanda's realisation wasn't about the fact that she'd never hurt anyone - it was about the fact that she could not, in that moment, bring herself to call herself a mother to these children; the realisation that she was not a mother and had never been one. A moment of clarity in her clouded delusion.
She just realized she was a danger to the childs.
Who would want a person like that around kids?
I really dig the battle of musical notes, very creative and somewhat like the bass battle in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World
It was hella lame when they could have gone full out, all movie we mostly get wanda shooting lasers and other generic stuff outside the horror sequences, and here we have AN EVIL STRANGE POWERED BY THE BOOK OF THE DAMNED and the FORMER SORCERER SUPREME and they just throw notes at each for a like 30 seconds? Really? They did magic hella lame, wanda can BEND REALITY, she turns mr fantastic into swiss cheese with a thought, and removes Blackbolts mouth, but suddenly she has a problem killing someone as measly as captain Carter?
@@unityfusion6674 Because she's a strong female character lol
@@unityfusion6674 I like to think that Wanda was just toying with Captain Carter lol
@@scoutalejan8259 boo
@@scoutalejan8259 why? She literally wants nothing more than to get the book and is mercilessly slaughtering everyone, do you think she would bother wasting time to let strange get away?
That charles death made me mad because of the many deaths hes had in other movies. Like leave the man alone.
😂
How many deaths is he up to now? Three? Four?
3 deaths aren‘t that much
If it gives you peace, I think he was trying to free that Wanda from the witche’s control. But wasn’t able to in time before she got him. But in a straight up death battle. Charles would have been able to hold his own way longer
@@Le_Critic Where am i talking here about who would win? Look at the comments first
Ultimate Strange knew he had to die because he took it upon himself to be corrupted by the darkhold enough to beat their Thanos. But needed to be killed to prevent the darkhold from taking over. In doing all that, he caused some other universes to collapse and also would have needed to be held accountable for that.
Yeah, but the strange with the third eye mentioned that he travels and kills other stranges.
Wait does that mean that our current Doctor Strange would become evil as well since he read that book and have that third eye?
@@Ermelious i think he's going to be like the ancient one uses the power of dark dimension to do good
Lame.
@@Ermelious it's possible that Clea is going save him. The Book of Vishanti may save him, or they'll need the Eye of Agamotto.
Blackbolt is my favorite character of all time, literally have multiple tattoos of him in the comics, his brief screen time was awesome and despite him dying, I am so excited to see if they bring the Inhumans into Earth 616 fully. Literally, just seeing him, I can overlook anything bad in the movie, call me biased...
There was an inhumans tv show that was supposed to be in the mcu but it bombed so it got cancelled after one season. The actor who played black bolt in the show also played him in this movie though which is cool.
They would turn them into wokehumans .. don't hold your breath
I would actually keep Anson Mount as Black Bolt. He fills out the costume well. But recast all of the rest of The Inhumans
@@thedeepfriar745 agreed, I think he did really well in spite of the show trying it's best to drag him down
Ok hello biased
I was mad at first seeing Wanda as a full villain, but after seeing how fucking badass and terrifying she was, I was all in. I loved how she just wrecked the Illuminati. I would say she’s the most scary, complex, and sympathetic MCU villain to date. As a mother myself, my heart still broke for her in the end.
I LOVED the Evil Dead vibe some of the scenes had. My ONLY gripe is that we had Bruce Campbell, but we didn’t get a goddamn Ash Williams cameo. It’s even canon in the comics! It was a missed opportunity IMO. Other than that, I loved it. 9/10 for me. I would love to see a directors cut since they apparently cut out a good 40 minutes
Nahhh, Wanda was really cool but Thanos is still the best villain for me, every villain want to help himself, his family, his people or is just evil, Thanos wanted what is best for every living thing in our universe, and that's what makes him the most unique for me.
Fuck no they made her character go a full 180
I agree about ash williams that would of been epic. Maybe they don't have the rights?
It's no longer Wanda though remember, the Darkhold had changed her completely and amplified her sorrow. Vision (even the new duplicated White Vision) not having magic capabilities wouldn't have been able to detect her in her own pocket reality apply orchard.
"Mother" her kids were her imagination, LMAO. Imagine going on a murder spree because of some daydream you had.
I agree with Alex. I remember there was a guy shouting “kick his ass” during the finale fight in EndGame. Most annoying thing ever
Gaaaawd. I thought the movie sucked man lol. People have lowered their taste in theater so much last few years. This movie was a dud for me.
I'm going to copy pasta my previous comment, but this movie was bad. Like the reason why we didn't like Suicide Squad was because they created an "artificial villain" that honestly made no sense and was created with so much cringe and inconsistency that made you asked why these "heroes" didn't see it coming:
The movie was really really bad. The writing was awful, with so many plot holes, inconsistencies, cringe moments that just made no sense ... and overall made the movie messy and unsatisfactory.
Like why doesn't Wong ever teleport out of danger, why is this dark book stronger than the Infinity stones if she can travel the multiverse (I think Thanos would have killed to plan a multiverse genocide), how come her dreamwalking powers didn't wane when they went between realms for the book of Ashanti... and so many more WTH moments and plotholes....
Really bad Marvel movie on par with the early Thor movies. Do not watch!!
6/10 movie at best, above average with your overused tropes. The forced love story was just in the way of everything and it made no sense to include his love interest when literally fighting a multidimensional witch.
Jokes never landed.
@@yrazu05 give it up, no ones gonna read your 24 paragraph complaints
@@Smokey1419 he's not wrong though this movie was bad
@@Smokey1419 Really bad movie. Don't care. So many weebs defending such horrible film. The entire time I was in the theater... I was like the fck is going on.
Like why did you stop running, why did you tell her your superpower, why is the "ultimate nano-carbon impenetrable jail" now easy to break, why the fck can't you put in your own password to open up the cell, and why is this woman with no supernatural powers tagging along and "protecting you" ... the entire movie .. so fcking cringe with bad writing.
Anyone notice the Terminator 1 reference? When Wanda is chasing after Dr. Strange and the others underground. It mirrored the scenes from when the T-800 was chasing Sarah Connor, like how Wanda was limping and how her eyes were lit red. Also she was crushed to death, like the T - 800. Gotta give Sam Raimi or whoever thought of that credit.
Nice reference, but honestly, knowing she can levitate, made no sense
@@ivansoyyo ikr she could of also force grabbed them, also strange didn't do shit when he saw her behind him lmao, but the only explanation I could think of is that in her mind she knew there was no stopping her and that she wants to inspire fear in them, especially stargirl
For me it brought vibes of Ellen Ripley running from the Alien through the Nostromo, with the claustrophobic corridors and all.
It was Terminator and Alien visual reference. Very cool.
more of evil dead but hey whatevs.
i get that reed doesnt really want to kill the wanda from his universe , that is why he is try to presuade her to not fight them because of blackbolt could easily kill her , and yes they underestimate her cause the wanda in their universe is not as strong as 616 wanda , but still the iluminati main concern is to not fight 616 wanda so they dont kill their variant of wanda
That’s a really good analysis. Makes the way it went down make much more sense.
616 is the comics universe, the movie got it wrong
@@84everfan90 the movies and comics must be separate that's not just a mistake they'd make
@@maxaltieri1576 WHY, WHY MUST THEY BE SEPARATE?!?! THEN YOU'LL HAVE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS THAT DON'T KNOW THE SOURCE MATERIAL
That right Reed never wanted to Fight. He told her about Black Bolt Power soo she would stand down, he could never know that she can bend reality and delete BB mouth his Wanda I think have the Power level of civil war Wanda
Why do you want to see her say “no more mutants?” That ship has sailed. Hey aren’t going to introduce mutants just to have Wanda will them away immediately. You’ll be waiting at least 10 more years
They mean at least something along the lines of that. The biggest speculative request is that she does the reverse and says, "Let there be mutants." or something similar.
The alternative Captain Marvel was Carol's friend and fellow pilot from the CM movie.
I was also hoping we would see a universe where Stephen's sister was Doctor Strange and HE was the one who had died when they were children.
It pisses me off how neutered Dr. Strange is in the MCU. I am not even referring to the "Classic" version who is basically on-par with the classic beyonders, but the current version who even (temporaryly) attained God-level strength! Also, I hoped that Dr. Strange would get the power of the Vashanti's, one of his OG sources of strength in the comics.
Wouldn't that be boring though
I interpreted him getting darkhold as the vishanti giving him exactly what he needed, in a sense he did get the vishanti.. my 2 cents
@@Zero-di3cf But it's okay for Wanda, Capt. Marvel and America to be OP?
@@Bladezeromus well wanda was the antagonist so its expected for her to be op, and captain marvel being op kinda proves my point since most people she's gone up against she one shots with little difficulty which is boring because the tension is gone
If you have a op character who's the protagonist you gotta set them up against people equal to them, example thor vs hella
@@Zero-di3cf
Well Wanda was OP before this movie. But because of the OP I thought you were saying that it was a problem to let Strange be OP but it was fine to leave the Mary Sues be.
Using Illuminati as X-Force was a hell of a shocking yet hilarious moment, especially since they really downplayed the threat of Scarlet Witch like it was totally manageable. (Unlike X-Force did with Cable)
A seasoned Prof. X like in this movie wouldve and shouldve 100% put up a better fight than that. I can see S Witch winning for the sake of the plot but I agree they've should've battled.
@@thee_morpheus Yeah, I feel the same. Xavier’s mind powers should’ve let him last at least as long as Captain Marvel…
@@cheke_hs to be fair we dont actually know how long he had her stunlocked, time travels way differently in their mind so he could have had her trapped in place for 10 minutes
@@thee_morpheus Well i really think he can‘t trap her mind when that is one of her strongest powers to control other peoples mind. She was literally introduced with that.
@@thee_morpheus there is 2 Wandas in her Head sadly Charles Sense the Scarlet Witch to late....the One in White is His Wanda If he had focused on the Red mist(MCU Wanda) he could maybe had hold her much longer or even beat her
To be fair, surely it would have been easier for Wanda to just get pregnant instead of invading a bunch of different realities. Would have been alot less hassle
Exactly I would have to intervene
Pregnant to who?? Vision, as far as she knows, is completely gone and even then: Vis is an Android so she can't have real children with him.
And this was explored in the comics: she goes insane when Mephisto shows up and absorbs her kids back into him no?
I'll take one for the team to save us all
I think the whole point was the book was fucking with her head . She was corrupted
this better be in an HISHE or smth omegalul
I’m a 1000% with Alex. I wanted to yell “Shutup” at all the people clapping in my screening too.
This movie was fantastic... When Zombie Strange had controlled the skeletons and they turned into a dark cape and then he flew... that was Savage!
My biggest problem with the film is Wanda's motivation. After what happened in Wandavision this feels like a character involution.
I mean, in Wandavision she already had what she's looking for in this movie and she ended it all because it wasn't real and she didn't want to hurt innocent people... just to go full murderer slasher style in this movie. And then at the end she has a change of heart AGAIN.
It feels inconsistent. It feels like Wanda and America, exist not as characters but as plot devices.
There's a ton of cool moments and visually impressive scenes, but the story feels like an excuse to go from one to another, when it should be the other way
Exactly!!! The resolution to the interdimensional threat was Dr. Strange telling America YOU CAN DO IT and than Wanda seeing her kids get scared of her. Really Stupid
The dark hold corrupted her. They did address this.
It was explicitly explained in the movie and in Wandavision.
She got hold of The Darkhold during Wandavision after she defeated Agnes. The book basically corrupts everything it comes into contact with.
Yeah America felt more like a plot device rather than an actual character. And Wanda's heel turn was something that should have developed as the movie progressed.
@@talentlessartist7929 barely. She could also redo Westview wich would be a lot easier than this. And it's kinda of bad excuse for changing a character's personality and motivation.
The way Wanda pulled a fucking Omni Man was amazing. I also really how the scene went. I think it was more a commentary of the superhero movie genre and the MCU as a hole. When the Illuminati entered the frame they were posing, looking heroic and cocky. Even with Black Bolts arm crossed and smirk. It basically threw all of that out of the window. Wanda didnt want to talk or hold back, she just wanted to kill anyone in her way. People look at this scene as wasting the characters but I really loved that scene, and Black Bolts death was so brutal, super brutal for a pg-13 movie, really pushing it.
They use so show more blood and lots more boobs in PG-13... Today's movies have gotten WEAK.
Reed Richards was a idiot telling Wanda black bolt powers like she wasn't gonna counter him.
I totally agree!
wanda is no omni man
@@clark85 You don‘t say
I still can't fathom why the movie didn't explore wanda's fall into the darkness and starts killing people indiscriminately when her character development is literally against killing people, especially during civil war. I get that the darkhold corrupts the mind and eventually made her do all those things, but I'd like to see why and how she succumbed to it instead of her being a villain right away. Because when my friends watched it, they told me that they can't sympathize with wanda because the movie never got a chance to explain how she went crazy
Edit: i get that she wants the kids, but we know wanda wouldn't go as far as to kill people without having her to reflect on it, which she never did throughout the movie
her pysche got broken in wandavision, then the darkhold got in her head turning her full villain.
You gotta watch her show WandaVision
This is the same Wanda who put an entire town through torture to be happy with her husband. The people of the town even said they were in great pain.
This is exactly what my problem was. They had a whole show based upon her tryna have a family, in the end finally accepts what she can't have.
But, now they based a whole movie on her tryna get to kids in a diff universe. Kills a whole bunch of ppl and STILL ends up alone/dead? Like idk man, there was a lot going on
Completely agreed, she resolved her grief and accepted responsibility at the end of Wandavision but one cutscene of her reading the darkhold as justification for her bonkers is just really poor story telling
I like the movie but the storyline just seems kinda silly. Wanda was part of the Avengers and fought alongside Dr Strange against Thanos twice. Now she just goes out and kills hundreds of sorcerors to find some kids thats not even hers? It makes no sense. Way to ruin a good character Marvel.
She was forced to kill Vision for what she thinks is no reason. She's been losing sanity ever since. Then WandaVision happens, she's already evil there. She loses her kids, gets corrupted by Darkhold. Now she's completely unhinged.
One thing that I noticed that was interesting is that each Dr Strange used a different color magic. The Strange from the intro used blue and used some Ice Magic. The Sinister Strange(?) used Purple Magic, and of course our OG Strange uses the Orange Magic. I don't remember if the Doctor Strange killed by Black Bolt was even show doing Magic.
I believe its to do with the source of power. Sinister Strange uses purple magic the same as Agatha Harkness because both of their powers stems from the Darkhold. Im not sure why Defender Strange's powers are blue but it could just be because he's using more defensive spells hence his name
An important part about Clea's character other then the fact that she married Strange is that she is the Niece of Dormammu and is in line to rule the Dark Dimension.
I thought the musical fight was my favorite part. It was so creative. And mostly because I recognized some of the songs used. I for sure heard Bach's Toccata and Fugue which is so fitting for a horror element. And maybe even some Mahler. It was GREAT.
Yeah I heard the opening motif from the Toccata too. I thought that was clever. The rest I didn't fully get in all the confusion. Lol
Drawn out a little too long when we could’ve seen another even more unique use of his powers
respectfully, it was the dumbest part of the movie. People were literally laughing in the theatre during that scene haha
It was all Bach vs Beethoven I think.
It was random and that’s probably why I liked it but it was stupid but still I liked it
Maybe I'll like it more on rewatch but the initial reaction is a 6-7/10... The plot felt very convenient in parts, the CGI was bad in some spots, it felt like the action and especially Strange's powers were way weaker in this movie and I strongly disliked the acting from America.
Yep
Agreed
My biggest problem with this is how the smartest human ever(Reed)...who knows about wanda and her powers... decides its smart to tell Wanda about and how to stop Black Bolt...
Mordo was totally avoiding Wanda on purpose 😂
People sleeping on the fact that Wong said to kill the girl at the end of the movie 🤣 "it's the only way!"
I forgot about that 😭😭
Hahaha, yeah. In the context of the film, the audience overlooks it. I guess the Sorcerer Supreme needs to make the tough calls, lol.
But the truth is that was always the most sensible logical thing to do... Wanda is unstoppable and this power is on the same level if not worst than the infinity gauntlet...
So even chancing wanda getting her hands on it is absurdly irrisponsible, we see it in the first scene of the movie that her death in the grand calculous is justified
And choosing the many over the few is arguably one of the biggest foundations of messing with the multiverse... Hence The whole of The Watchers character
Well...in the grand calculus of the multiverse her sacrifice would save trillions
Wait a minute, so you mean to tell me my 'happy' dreams are variants of myself having a good time. Thats a hell of a spin on dreaming haha
I guess ya'll missed it but when they introduced Professor X they played the 80s cartoon XMen theme song as he rolled onto the stage.
This movie was awesome.
They may have missed it from people clapping. I know I did when he came on screen. I couldn't hear shit.
90’s
Knowing marvel they are probably gonna make the xmen 97 show mcu canon.
I never realized how strong black bolt's suit was. I mean obviously they made it that way so it wouldn't be full on gore, but still, it contained the power of his scream.
Cool icon, what’s your favorite Star Wars movie?
@@megamikethemovieman empire
@@bipolarewok me too. Yoda training scenes are my favorite. Feel free to stop by my channel whenever you would like to talk Starwars my friend.
@T Ca I'd think that if bb can scream without tearing his whole face apart then his skull took the brunt of the scream and not the suit
I still really liked it, but by no means is it a masterpiece. I'm curious about the original script where nightmare was the main villain. I think it was a huge mistake to not have some kind of big bad pulling her strings(nightmare,mephisto, Shuma gorath, or cathone ) all would have been awesome to see. Imagine Sam Remy directing terrifying nightmares throughout the movie leading Wanda to do all the messed up things she did. And imagine a rated R full on trippy horror (without the campy normal MCU tone). It was still great but fuck.... It could be soooooo much better
Loved it!
America being able to control her powers so completely at the end ripped me out of the movie, how tf did she know where Wanda's alternate family lived? How did she know where to find strange. God it was stupid.
Woke has no IQ
You must be fun at parties
Its a movie….. we all knew this was gonna happen
I think the film works a little better as the equivalent of a TV movie, finishing the ending to tv series, in this case WandaVision. Not necessarily the ending I’d have gone for, but I still loved the film so I can’t really complain.
The Illuminati scene is entertaining just for how full of themselves most of the members are. I think a lot of fans are gonna hate it though for Reed alone.
Dude strange is like she is coming and is going to kill you. They all laugh it off. It was truly madness
It’s kinda like the comics tho right? Aren’t they always messing up anyways
Reed didn’t know when to shut the f up.
I agree. It’s messed up because this is a DR STRANGE sequel. This movie ties up Wandavision and What if…. If someone watched this right after Dr. Strange 1 they’d be like WTF?!?!
I'm going to copy pasta my previous comment, but this movie was bad. Like the reason why we didn't like Suicide Squad was because they created an "artificial villain" that honestly made no sense and was created with so much cringe and inconsistency that made you asked why these "heroes" didn't see it coming:
The movie was really really bad. The writing was awful, with so many plot holes, inconsistencies, cringe moments that just made no sense ... and overall made the movie messy and unsatisfactory.
Like why doesn't Wong ever teleport out of danger, why is this dark book stronger than the Infinity stones if she can travel the multiverse (I think Thanos would have killed to plan a multiverse genocide), how come her dreamwalking powers didn't wane when they went between realms for the book of Ashanti... and so many more WTH moments and plotholes....
Really bad Marvel movie on par with the early Thor movies. Do not watch!!
6/10 movie at best, above average with your overused tropes. The forced love story was just in the way of everything and it made no sense to include his love interest when literally fighting a multidimensional witch.
Jokes never landed.
People just need to remember cuz you see those characters get folded doesn’t mean they are perma dead. They were all just variants of the actual characters (like reed richards) the F4 film is still coming for people that forgot
The biggest question that I have for Marvel is, why did they release Wandavision and Dr. Strange so far apart? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Wandavision to have Boba Fett's release slot on Disney +? I didn't remember Strange was even involved or knew about Wanda and that town.
it was Covid related, Strange was meant to appear in the end credits of Wandavision (timings didn't work out) and DS2:MoM was supposed to come out earlier
@@Oscar_Myk oh I didn't know the movie was delayed
@@nickkowal619 yeah everything has been knocked back from previous relate dates, also some films have switched places from the order they were going to get released in order to connect the stories in order. Covid fucked a lot of things up.
@@Oscar_Myk I've heard that Dr Strange was dropped out of Wandavision because of the cultural change by metoo and other stuff since they didn't want to end a female lead show with a white man appearing an teaching Wanda what to do
@@Jaggaraz218 oh stop.
Also a fun note: The Brazier Christine uses is a fun callback to the first movie, when Strange is fighting Kaecilius for the first time and grabs the same Brazier, which freaks Kaecilius out, following with: "You dont know how to use it do you?". The Brazier moment in MoM shows exactly why he freaked out when Strange grabbed it initially.
I wish that was Shuma Gorath. That was something that looked like, but wasn't Shuma Gorath. Shuma Gorath is a cosmic level threat. Incredibly powerful psychic and telekinetic on top of being immortal.
They don't have the rights. It was him. Just a different name
It was gargantos the toy line confirmed it
@@greggtheegg1976 lol that definitely isn’t him. Gorath is way stronger and not as weak as that creature
Yeah, I thought that was Shuma Gorath. Apparently, it's Gargantos
@@greggtheegg1976 I think they do but didn't probably want the hassle of double-checking things. They still use "Shuma" elsewhere. Probably a bureaucracy thing
I thought John Krasinski as Reed Richards was hilarious because people have been fancasting him for years, and they finally got what they wanted only for him to be killed off 2 minutes later
I'm pretty sure they will have him back in the upcoming film, so this was essentially a teaser/reveal.
@@Sabrelight The question is, will Emily Blunt also be playing Sue Storm?
@@shelbyvillerules9962 hope not, she’s old
@@Carlos-nz3vi She’s younger than John Krasinski.
@@Carlos-nz3vi Wtf are you talking😂
I agree with Alex earlier on the non spoiler review, the tone was a bit confusing. It couldn't keep it consistently. The other is with Reed Richards, one of the smartest man alive just told Wanda, a current threat, the source of power of Black Bolt which got him killed. Don't get me wrong they would've died regardless but even in battle you don't tell the enemy what you or your allies are capable of that's just a dumb strategy. That was some anime writing men. But I'll put it that Reed doesn't prefer violence and tried his best to do it peacefully by trying to intimidate Wanda enough for her to back off and it backfired quite horribly.
In their universe they don’t know of scarlet witch or what she’s capable of. The council focuses on strange as the bad guy. So it makes sense that mentioning bolt’s power wouldn’t be perceived to be a danger. Scarlet was clearly OP in that scene but I think rightfully so.
Reeds very smart but really arrogant. It’s his downfall.
Tell me you need to be spoonfed obvious reasons for a character's actions, without telling me lmfao
I thought the movie made it very clear they under estimated the danger from their own experience with strange and Wanda. a. Thinking strange was the biggest threat making them not listen to reason and b. Thinking Wanda would be reasoned with or not capable of defeating them because they was clearly ill-informed of how powerful she is with the darkhold
Yeah, but we can all agree the movie was awesome. Hope they bring back the Illuminati though, that Black Bolt costume looked great and was pleasantly surprised they brought back the guy who played him in Inhumans despite that show being ummm, well it wasn't a great show.
I liked the Carrie vibe Scarlet Witch had while she was chasing them in that tunnel.
You a big horror fan?
@@megamikethemovieman kinda I find a-lot of horror movies are the same.
@@mrbleepblopguy4638 That makes sense. I cover lots of different movies on my Channel, feel free to stop on by so we can talk more movies.
OK...
As a Doctor Strange expert, allow me to explain some things...
1. The McGuffin books are canon; both were the tomes of powers copied by primordial entities. The Book of the Vishanti is a book of Light/White Magic, ment for spells and incantations for life and creation. The Book of the Darkhold is the book of Black/Dark Magic, ment for spells and incantations for destruction and chaos.
Typically, the Darkhold resides in the possession of the Sorcerer Supreme...or The Devil. Likewise, the Book of the Vishanti is possessed by the Sorcerer Supreme...or the Court of the Vishanti, who are a (usually) Triumvirate of 3 Primordial Entities of Light...the Great Aggamotto use to be one, until the giant green space caterpillar decided to take a holiday and nope-off to his own Dimension of Space-Time to get High for several millennia...
...true story.
2. Charlise Theron is Vira, Niece of Dormammu, and Doctor Stranges future wife... which is why it looked like the Dark Dimension behind her...because it was!
On that subject, "Love" is actually a powerful element in Spells, Incantations, and Imbuings; but this isn't the "Harry Potter" stuff, this is the reaction of positive energy reinforcing Light/White Magic substantially. Long story short; if you think about good emotions and bad emotions, you can burn yourself out on hate, but you can't burn out on love, or kindness.
3. The Scarlet Witch and the Temple...
This feels like where the movie Lore failed... so, the Scarlet Witch, Wanda, is foretold, because by pure chance, eventually someone will be born with just the right genetic make-up to be different; in the real world, this could be immune to Radiation, in Comics, its having a brain chemistry mutation synced to Cthon, Primordial God of Chaos...defeated millions of years ago by the Vishanti, but dust of his remains laid upon the Primordial Earth. Moving forward several million years, Wanda was born, and thanks to her mutation, she could "hear the whispers of Cthon" and wielded the power of Chaos Magic.
The temple came about because devil worshippers and Dark magicians who searched for ancient Dark masters, came upon Cthons story, but their can only be 1 who channels its power...hence, the Scarlet Witch legend. Ironically, Cthons influence on Wanda was only ever lessened by 2 people... her brother, and her father.
*Dum Dum DUUUUUMMM!!,* Yeah, Quicksilver and Magneto...
Actually, if I recall correctly, Magneto actually use to disrupt the bio-electric field around Wanda's head to quiet Cthon's influence, but retain her powers... because, y'know, dad's...
Anyway...
Doctor Strange 2? Yeah, it was awesome to someone like me...
Doctor Strange 3 better have Nightmare!!!
...also, I'm sure by now Mephisto is cracking a sh1t because the Darkhold is gone...
I wish we could have gotten some sort of variant of Iron Man, preferably the one played by Tom Cruise suggested by old rumors, would have been awesome but cruel if Wanda crushed him inside of his greatest creation!
Do you think will get another Iron Man in the next few years?
LMAOOOO y’all delusional
I was really hoping that too. Even wore my Iron Man shirt to the theater.
I liked when Dr Strange said, “What are we in some kind of Multiverse of Madness?” That was my favorite part.
“Roll credits”
Alright Peter Griffin
and when Scarlet Witch said "We're the villains, I'm some kind of Scarlet Witch"
That is the name of the movie... Wow wow wow wow...
Man I wanted Shang Chi to pop up in that fight when Wong called for help. Would have been so cool. Can’t believe the Illuminati got beat so bad but it was great. They didn’t really stand a chance against her. Great movie.
The way the Illuminati went out, it was ridiculous. Wanda’s waaay too powerful.
In No Way Home, when Spiderman enters the Sanctum and you see all the snow and 2 random people cleaning up and they look Asian, I was WISH that was Shang-chi and Katy
@@tigertank06 Wanda's pretty powerful in the comics
@@tigertank06 You do know you’re talking about the woman who could’ve easily killed Thanos if he didn’t call in an airstrike, right?
@@Phanthief95 *AND* the women who in the comics deleted all mutants with one whispered sentence
The music scene was interesting. I feel like it's something I would have an issue with but I liked it. I liked how it was actually tied into the music it was just quite cool.
I rationalized it as it was easy for him to cast those spells because of the music sheets/instruments around him.
The music notes was the most creative fight though, especially for Danny Elfman to compose for. Haha
"I don't want to take an archer to fight the bad guy."
*uses a whole base of archers to fight the bad guy*
*mystic* archers
I wish there was more multiverse stuff. More alternate characters. Perhaps the movie was over hyped in that sense, as there were SO many rumours and some of them sounded badass. It's the multiverse of madness after all. Go ALL out! I want cameos and alternate heroes/villains everywhere. The ones we got were cool but not enough for me personally. It's still a great movie though.
Well this is a doctor strange 2 movie not secret wars
@@mickeymouse7726 I agree. I liken MoM to Civil War: it has all those fun fan service moments for fans, but it straight up is about Steven Strange and his struggles.
The Illuminati scene was fan service. Just like No Way Home was. Smh.
there was barely any multiverse just 2 and half multiverse
@@tigertank06 And? If done right, fan service is a good thing
I feel like Scarlet witch sacrifice at the ending felt anti climatic,and she was only build up for one movie. I wish they continue to use her in some type of capacity.
She has like an 8 year deal signed so my guess is we will see another version of her return on more than one occasion.
I agree. For the most part, this film was good, but her send off wasn't deserved, imo
They'll probably just replace her with the HOT chick she possessed with the 2 kids... (Will probably bring back IRON MAN...from a multi universe too).
Oh shes not dead. Shes too strong of a character to kill off.
She was legitimately terrifying. The way she ripped the illuminati apart was just... perfect. It sucks to see her gone
I agree with Alex, let Raimi be Raimi. I think that's what I was also missing from the movie. But be warned: When Raimi is Raimi you get the dance sequence in Spiderman 3
It must get exhausting to spend a whole movie wondering how to make things make sense and make everything logical. Can you not just sit and watch the movie and enjoy? This is a fantasy movie dealing with multiverse it’s not going to be logical at all. Also not meant to be some complex A24 indie film with tight logic. Also doesn’t help that these guys aren’t marvel fans and most times forget what happens in all these other movies so this movie isn’t even aimed for people like them
My thoughts exactly. People are too literal when it comes to a COMIC BOOK movie. People forget Marvel Studios is 10 steps ahead of everyone. If you're still complaining at this point stop watching them.
I love when movies/games do creative things with music. I liked the music fight, but I personally thought it was out of place. After the horror scenes we just had, they throw in a funny/cool music fight? I wish it was at the beginning of the movie instead of at that point.
And one thing I kinda hated was how Scarlet Witch is defeated. It's pretty much a Wonder Woman 84 ending (which was so stupid). I was hoping for some Wanda vs Wanda action but nope.
I actually enjoyed the music fight a lot. I take your point about it being of a lower scale than that before or after, but a breather isn't necessarily a bad thing. But in terms of them choosing to use music notes, I saw it more as good Strange grasping at whatever he had to use as a weapon, and evil Strange trying to make a point by using that weapon back at him. It was basically a battle of the egos.
It was actually super creative! I'm surprised they dismissed it. the music in the notes of the battle were embedded in the score. You can hear the 3D audio changing positions in the cinema. Truly something ripped out of a doctor strange comic made into a 3D sequence. Its such a small fight but displays how trippy and awesome doctor strange is as a character.
The film is called multiverse of MADNESS, not multiverse of horror
the music fight came from reshoots so makese sense that you felt it was out of place, personally i liked it
Maybe I've just been watching too much Rick and Morty, but if the multiverse is infinite, why would Wanda choose a universe where she was still alive? Just find a universe where the boys are there, but the Wanda of that Universe recently got killed and just slide in to take her place. That plan is at least marginally less evil!
Remember she can only see alternate universes where she exists when she sleeps. And she can't visit them safely without America Chavez's powers. So, if there does exists such a universe where she is dead, she needs those powers to find it.
@@travistaylor2980 ah! Good observation.
Exactly. I don’t buy the Wanda is evil narrative of this movie. Like there has not been enough time to develop that character change. Last time we saw her she sacrificed the existence of her children to save innocent lives. To go from that to her murdering everyone for the kids doesn’t add up.
@@DanandRickinthebasement it does when you hear the dark hold corrupts people?
@@DanandRickinthebasement She sacrificed her fake children to save innocent lives that she was threatening to begin with. How much more literally evil do you need Wanda to be before you admit that she was evil?
The amount of times Joe said he was taken out of the movie a 9/10 seems a little high.
As of late his reviews have become so inconsistent I've been feeling that I really can't follow his reasoning, the only reason I keep coming back is just Alex, Joe turns his brains off for this movie but then underplays moonight to hell. Because he "he has to turn his critic brain" but only on Wednesday apparently because tonight he ate all the lazy writing you could possibly imagine.
@freeplayTV yeah all the reviews I’ve heard/read seemed to be wishy washy. But the general consensus is it’s bad.
The music fight was probably the best part of the movie for me! Alex is dead wrong here, it was very innovative and one of the more creative moments in the film!!
Usually agree with Alex but I think his opinion on the music fight contradicts what he says about Sam Raimi. He wanted the movie to be more like a Sam Raimi film but the music fight was the most Raimi like scene. Just seems like he thinks he wanted more Raimi but actually didn’t.
Well I guess I'm in charge now!
Besides the battle scenes, might favor part was when Strange and Chavez falling through the difference universes, they kinda teased Namor with the "ocean world"
How is that a Namor reference? He's not from an ocean world.
@@andothersuchnonsense2685 right, like what?
I fucking lost it at the clapping part. Agree 100%.
Bruce doing cameos ssure felt like we had good old Stan. If he was still alive, he would have been doing that in every single movie too.
So many moments in this movie made me go 👀. My absolute favorite moment was when Strange, while dream-walking in the corpse of his doppelgänger from another universe, channels THE SOULS OF THE DAMNED to fly across the stark-white void of Wundergor towards Wanda.
I can't be the only one when you learn about Wanda wanting to be with her kid wondering what the hell about Vision. Where is Vision in these other universes?
I’ve been ranting about that all day , she spent so long looking for her kids , another vision would have taken her out of it
@@flowers2734 my thing was she created that whole world in wandavision because he died but in this movie she doesn't care about finding alternate universes with him in them I guess.
@@williamrose9184 EXACTLY she mentions killing him but doesn’t even bring up the possibility of looking for another version of him
I’m gonna acknowledge this, Wanda had thee exact same goal as Kingpin from into the spiderverse.
This movie really is a downgraded Spiderverse
They mentioned this in their spoiler free review
We've now had an TV show AND a movie which basically served as therapy sessions for Wanda, with a body count.
This is more or less a copy of Wandavision, theme-wise.
"I lost Vision (which she mentioned ONCE in the movie, not even by name), I'll keep a town hostage until I realize that's not right"
"I lost my (made-up) children, I'll kill A LOT of people until I realize that's not right"
I enjoyed the movie, but I was also kind of disappointed, especially in this aspect. Also, definitely noticed Raimi's style sometimes and didn't actually like it that much, just too noticeable/on the nose.
Also, how could she destroy the Darkhold in EVERY universe?
The Illuminati were kind of cool, but also kind of just too much, for too little. They threw Prof x, Captain Carter and Reed Richards and an alternate Captain Marvel in there, out of nowhere, only to have them act all high and mighty and fucking stupid "nah, Scarlet Witch isn't that dangerous, YOU are. Oh shit, we were wro----" and be killed off 10 minutes later. Seriously, what were Stretchy Guy Reed Richards and Captain Carter gonna do about THE SCARLET WITCH?!
Agreed on every level, the movie was so poorly written.
The biggest problem with the movie is that it feels like it was supposed to be a TV show, or it would have been better as one. It feels like loki would feel if it was a movie instead of a show.
Black woman Captain Marvel was actually her best mate from the Captain Marvel movie, Rambaeu. That was actually pretty good casting but I think most people couldn't tell who she was.
Maybe cause people haven't watched the movie 🤣🤪🤣
I'll watch it tho... Just gotta boot up Disney+
I want someone to edit Dwight schrute face into Wanda face when she kills Jim 😩
For a movie that deals with the infinite vastness of the multiverse, I can't help but feel it was brimming with missed opportunity. I could clearly follow everything and approved of certain creative decisions, but I ultimately think this movie failed to deliver something truly substantive by the time the credits rolled.
Definitely missed opportunities. The movie needed the Loki from the show to have some nice bickering. Why have a show that specifically mentions the breaking down of barrieres between the MV, why have a movie that specifically shows a breaking down of barriers between the MV (Spiderman NWH), and then not mention it again in the following installment that is about the frigging MV?
People just overhyped themselves. If it traversed hundreds of universes in a single movie within 2 hours, there would be no substance and no plot. Each stop was significant to the story. I liked it. Sure, they can always do more, but the entire phase 4 will cover the multiverse so..
I totally agree here.
It felt too short, we barely saw other universes and barely know America Chavez.
@Bignuke87 She's not captain america and its kinda telling that u consider her pc
Reed shouldn’t have said Black Bolt can kill you with one word. Black Bolt could have got a word off and ended the Scarlet Witch with his team intact.
For the smartest man alive, he really is incredibly moronic.
He didn’t think Wanda would be that much of a threat. He underestimated her.
@@Phanthief95 , I know, but Reed is supposed to be smarter than that.
Naw, he didn’t want to hurt her since it would kill single mom Wanda from that universe and orphan her two kids. She was being possessed.
@@ddxxnn48 , I know
That Strange V Strange fight was one of my favs, though I get why people would say it went on too long. I study EEG, however, and a FREQUENT comparison brought up when discussing oscillations of waves is either fans clapping in a stadium or an orchestra playing in concert; discordant notes in either setting create a jumbled mess of noise, but intentional timing between notes projects much more amplitude or cohesion in the sound to either create structure shaking vibrations (a stadium clapping in unison) or a Beethoven symphony (when an orchestra plays a piece in timed succession). That duel of notes was exactly this and I loved it, especially that final note throwing everything into chaos.
I thought it should have been longer with original music, one darker vibes, the other more beautiful sounding and pleasant, big crescendo. It was kinda uninspired musically, there fo power dropped the ball for sure. The fact that it happened was awesome and super creative, love the moment just not the actual music
@@heythere6983
For sure the music should have been played up way more. Even after I picked up on the oscillation vibes it took me a moment to realize the music within the attacks was separate from the score.
For a film called “The Multiverse of Madness” I was hoping to see more universes with some crazy differences.
In the montage we saw comic book style, paint, underwater, dinosaurs and loads of other crazy things.
But what we got was new york covered in flowers, and new york with floating buildings and cars.
It's cool to see Solarpunk in the big screen tho.
@@Web720 Agreed, it was impressive to see.
But from a casual viewer, all I saw was plants on buildings. Surely theres more to Solarpunk than that.
The movie it's called "Doctor Strange" in TMOM, it's a film about Doctor Strange dialing with the multiverse versions of himself. The whole problem with this movie was definitely the trailers that revealed to much
From what I understand wanda did the power draining thing from wanda vision on captain marvel. So she had no power and the pillar smoosh was basically crushing a normal human.
The Illuminati served no purpose in this movie
“We are the Illuminati” ugh Red is green ?! that universe is a Red flag number one 😂 then omfg the part where they running from her Abe dr closes the door and they just stand there all dramatic 🤣 so campy felt like an 80s b movie with that script omg the script disappointed me…
Hopefully we'll explore Earth-838 again in some other media like maybe What If Season 2 as I really want to see the aftermath of the events that happened. Spoilers below.......
The Scarlet Witch pretty much wiped out the leaders of the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Avengers, and the Inhumans, pretty sure the hero's of Earth-838 will not let Wanda off the hook. This could lead to a multiverse wide conflict between Earth-616 (Yes MCU is now confirmed as Earth-616) and Earth-838 like a Crisis on Two Earths story with Superior Iron Man being the main villain who took advantage of a weaken illuminati placing himself as the head of the Illuminati. On the MCU being Earth-616 I could see this being explained by the Multiverse War where maybe the comic version existed as one of these universes apart of the war but was then wiped out after Kang ended the war which then gave birth to a new Earth-616 creating the MCU.
What does Earth 001 look like?
Well the rumors have been Secret Wars is coming, so by that point 616 will have been interfering in the multiverse quite a bit, so I imagine there will be plenty of reasons for other universes to hate the main one.
Earth-838 is about to enter a Dark Reign now that it's greatest heroes are slaughtered.
I'm so glad they killed off Reed... Like wow... It's like MCU confirms it. We can NEVER have a good Fantastic 4 movie. Oh and killing off Xavier who is basically Xavier from animated series. With floaty chair, the theme and all... Thank you MCU. Very cool. Now kindly fuck off with whatever mess of an X-men movie you want to do because I don't give a shit now that you pulled this.
Illuminati stuff makes me mad. It's basically a complete waste.
to be fair I'm sure that Captain Marvel survived at least. Like they pointed out in the review a statue falling on her is probably something she could survive, it probably just knocked her out long enough to make her irrelevant for the rest of the fight. So if they continue in 838 in the future I imagine they'll have her still kicking.
Can anyone explain to me why Wong hits his head so many times in this film? Was Rami trying to make it look like he was going to die, because not once did I feel Wong was going to die. I swear He hits his head 3 or 4 times, but it never seemed to go anywhere.
My biggest question is why couldn’t Wanda do any of these: have kids the normal way by getting pregnant, make two kids in her universe through magic, or just adopt two kids?
Because she wants “her” kids. The kids she identifies as having been hers and that she’s familiar with. Genuinely a dumb question.
@@GourSmith Generally a far stretch for poor writing.
@@xXxKAMIKAZExXx It’s not a stretch … That’s how human beings are … They’re intensely identified with the most ridiculous things. We literally have people intensely identifying with genders … You guys are stretching. Stretching context. She wanted the kids that she was identified with-not a couple new magic ones.