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Ancestry Announcements at RootsTech 2024 - Crista Cowan
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:29 Matches of Matches.
1:09 New DNA communities launched & more to come.
2:05 Can you explain the DNA Communities?
2:55 New features in Pro Tools.
3:20 Stories and events index on Newspapers.com
4:32 New subscription models.
6:12 What is DNA Plus?
7:01 FamilyGroups free feature on Ancestry.
8:10 Crista Cowen offered to buy FamilyChartMasters
9:00 Pajamas & Pedigrees
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I have always spoken highly of Ancestry and usually get excited with the news of new tools arriving, but the introduction of the new fee structure has already had an impact on long standing Ancestry users who no longer can access what they paid for when purchasing a DNA kit. Pro Tools will be financially unattainable for many who the subscriptions are already stretching their budget. So disappointing.😞
I agree.
I totally agree with you. But I am now on the Family Plan. There are 5 people in my family plan and we each pay about $10 per month for full access. I am not related to all. If you have only 4, you would still save. The price of full access is out of the price range for many people. Not everyone even knows about the Family Plan and how much you can save.
Agreed. Not everyone has a family member (let alone several) who wants to do genealogy. Some of us are the only genealogists in our families. This just sounds like an excuse for Ancestry to hike up the membership fees and take away the more affordable US-only option. I wonder how many low-income people are going to get priced out of being able to use Ancestry at all?
@fyreflye100 I recommend this plan to friends who have friends. I wanted to get on the plan and it took us all to find a total of 5. My husband agreed with you that getting 5 is difficult. Ancestry pay scale has gotten out of control. Those Pro tools still seem extremely over priced. I have been on the Family Plan since Jan and it has worked well but I wonder how long it will last.
@@SheNiteOwlI appreciate the reply but I agree with your husband on this. The new plan puts an undue burden on lower-income Ancestry customers. Some folks (like me!) would have a difficult time finding four other people we know and trust who actually want to do genealogy on Ancestry. I guess we're just out of luck, because Ancestry clearly doesn't GAF about any customers who aren't well-off financially.
I wish that ancestry would consider giving long time subscribers a financial break, I can’t give up now but why not let long term subscribers have the pro tools for free?
well said
Buy a gift subscription for yourself when they go on sale right before Christmas. I buy myself one every year. Saves a lot of money. They usually have special pricing around Mother's Day, also.
@@debbie122This is what I've done for years too. Usually get mine on Black Friday or Cyber Monday. I also make my purchase thru Rakuten so I get money back too.
I agree @loripeterson5403, or at least be $10 per year, not per month.
Good idea @debbie122.
Good video, but I feel like Ancestry is making their subscriptions a lot more complicated and probably more expensive.
Yes. They are, after all, a FOR PROFIT company. We're all going to be paying them more.
I only pay once a year for one month to see new information but now I'm going to have to pay to see the common ancestors which suck. I think they do that so people will pay more often. Before it was just the family trees you needed to pay for to view.
Matches-of-Matches is Exciting! I have been disappointed with 23&Me, so this is golden!
Yes, for matches without trees, or who just show their initials, this can help to determine who they might be.
@@sylviabargas3340 It also means if one person doesn't respond you can work out which person might know who they are. It'd be even better if I could search for matches with shared matches in a certain range, i.e I could search for everyone who shares between 2,000 and 100cm with one of our shared matches
I still love you Connie, and I'm still extremely annoyed Ancestry because of the way they're putting everything behind a paywall nowadays. But I have to admit -- the matches-of-matches feature will get me to purchase pro tools, even if it's only for a month or two. But the new membership plans sound AWFUL! It sounds like an excuse to charge everyone for the expensive Total Access membership rate. I have zero need of a "family plan" membership and I doubt many genealogists do.
I second that , I am not going to go around SCROUNGING around like a scammy pyramid schemer begging relative to "go in with me". Hard pass. I need to see the new prices since they rolled over my membership already in Jan. I saw 1 monthly said 36 dollars? I don't have that sub I was on the old contract I don't pay that monthly.
So excited to be able to access what My heritage has had forever.. to see how much dna my match shares with our shared matches. Not excited to spend more money to access it.. no one tells you when you first start this journey just how expensive geneology can be! I’ve spent well over $1000 in the past year paying for all access, ordering birth certificates etc from GRO etc
I hear you. Just like any hobby, photography, scuba diving, etc. it can add up. However, I think genealogy is more important than most hobbies.
Ancestry, consider changing your revenue stream model to "early access" instead of "pro tools." With an early access model you set a beta timeframe for a new feature which you charge for. Those who can and are interested will pay, and you get a service in return by getting their feedback. Others who can't or don't want to pay wait until the general release date for the feature which is then included in a regular package.
But would Ancestry make more $ with that "early access" model? Probably not. Keep in mind that Ancestry is gonna do what's best for THEM.
DNA is so important in our searches! Now we are going to have to pay, I guess my brick walls will stay that way. I’m really upset about this
What I think is very unfair with the pricing policy, as an individual with a couple of trees, I pay as much as a professional genealogist who runs many, many trees as part of their business researching trees for clients, for the same price I am paying.
Good point.
Disappointing, as I'd hoped that you would tackle her on why the nead for Ancestryplus?
To make more money, of course. It allows ancestry to charge free users for results they were supposed to get with the test they bought. An appalling move when shared matches were advertised to be included. I have been left feeling conned. My matches have been switched off since, as I cannot allow them to use my results to display shared matches to others while they are withheld from me.
Withholding results from people who have purchased a DNA test (advertised to include them), while including AncestryDNA Plus in a membership for trees and records makes no sense. Not everyone with a membership will have taken, or be interested in taking, a DNA test. The two services should have been kept separate.
Sounds expensive. I already pay for all access that does not include “pro tools”.
yep, $180 per year for features that other companies give you for free.
Except you don't need to subscribe for a year or even six months. You can do it for just one month. Pick a month when you'll have plenty of time to use it. @@tomask1436
Through a friend who I'm helping with her family tree she is paying for the top level membership where I can invite 4 people to join me which is costly in itself let alone adding the extra tools I wish they were included in the top membership
Family Plan that's what I have access to
Awesome...love it when you talk with Crista Cowan...definitely Ancestry is making strides
I'd love to be able to select an individual in my tree and "Prune Hints to This Branch", and only see hints related to that person, their ancestors, and Potential Parent suggestions. "Filter By Name" is not very useful when a branch gets filled with siblings and spouses. I have a couple of lines that go back 10+ generations, with too many Georges and Johns and Elizabeths and Marys; being able to only see Hints from the branch I'm *actively* researching would make Hints really helpful. Having 3547 Hints is just overkill. if I'm researching 18th and 17th Century ancestors on one branch of my family, I don't want Hints from the 20th and 19th Century, from other branches of my tree, or those from my wife's tree.
I completely agree that the hints need more filters. I'd like to be able to see one family line (ancesters of or descendents of) or maybe all the hints of one country or of one time period. Dealing with thousands of hints all at once is daunting!
Absolutely agree. All that work to provide hints you will never use. Just give me direct ancestors please.
Thank you for your coverage so much!!
You are so welcome!
Good to see new stuff! I would love a simple reminder to re-check a DNA match after X months. I concentrate more on new matches and many of those haven't created trees yet and/or haven't been assigned maternal or paternal. I would like to be able to set a reminder to recheck a match at a later date.
Noted!
Thanks. Always fun to listen in on you two. I need now to figure out how I can make these DNA tools focus in only on the branch(es) that I am concentrated on in my research -- applied to my whole tree (after 55+ years of work) these tools would overwhelm with material to work on that I simply won't get to. And a related hope is that this focussed research (late 18th century and earlier) is at the very edge (or so I understand) of what genetic tools can shed light on. Onwards. Thanks again!
Our pleasure!
Okay, yeah, I'll buy "Pro Tools" if it comes with matches of matches. With luck it will take away some of the sting of DNA matches who never respond to messages (or link their trees, or even notice that they have DNA matches). ;)
Love all these new features- can’t wait for the DNA updates! Thanks for the great interview
Thanks
They talk about the "new" DNA updates and other new features but never tell you the specific date or cost for them
So thrilled with the matches of matches -- such a great feature at MyHeritage, and will just rock at Ancestry, now too. Would love in addition to that, a true DNA browser/painter. The Family Circles/Groups feature I've been using since it first popped up. It is still could use a lot of improvements, for example it would be great to have it set up more like a private message board with availabilities for topics, threads, etc. rather than just messaging and the more facebook like feed. It has so much potential that is not being tapped : ) That being said, our family group does love it, and we think of it like a kitchen table in a house where we can drop in for coffee and leave each other notes.
As a long time World subscriber, I'm interested to see how much more i'm going to have to pay to switch to the new individual plan IF it includes newspapers and such that werent included in the World plan without paying extra. I'd really like to see more filters within the hints themselves ie. being able to see hints to do with a certain country or a certain time frame.
Agreed
Looking forward to "Matches of Matches" but you need to indicate that the DNA overlaps with all 3 of them, not just some random happenstance that you and the other person share unrelated DNA segments with some 3rd person.
Matches of matches in common and how they are related is the answer to 23and me taking those tools away from us THANK YOU!!! Ancestry has the majority of my matches so this is amazing. The community update I will look out for however I wonder if they can go back further for our communities?? Some of us come from VERY old families in the U.S. and North America going back over 500 years to Europe but are missing the community connection from Europe. It is erased for us so I don't have matches in Europe at all and I should considering we are mostly European and have relatively recent ancestors from the 1700's. It seems the communities stop working in Europe around the 1890's or so that leaves only relatives in North America most of which is already well documented and known. For instance "My Heritage" shows my European cousins but ancestry still does not? :)
Yep! That is what I mean ancestry told me that 300 years is too far back for communities in the U.S. they will not have communities in Europe which could help us verify and or break through brick walls with cousins in Europe. Your colonial ancestors will only show up as being from the areas you have recent cousins in the United States.This is common in colonial families with endogamy. That is also our problem. We are from Spanish colonies in the U.S. since the 1500's-1780's aprox who intermarried relentlessly due to the caste system. What is extra tricky is many of them moved from Spain directly to the U.S. so early on the only community they have is from their own region nothing no communities in Spain or even Mexico on one side at all only the U.S.. From what I am hearing from other users is that people from Quebec and other long lived families with origins in Europe have this problem with the communities tool. Ancestry also informed me that Ancestry JUST STARTED testing in Spain! :/ That means no cousins will show up to create communities. To me that was unbelievable. France had limitations of DNA testing legally but Spain did not. They just didn't test there. That is why all my European cousins are on Myhertiage. but trying to figure out who they are in relation to me without a family tree is near impossible. My only hope is to figure out who they are related to and HOPE they have an ancestry account or a family tree. At least now with the new tool this might be a game changer to help with this limited access to European cousins on ancestry. I am hopeful :D ! @@sm_makai
We already have a product called Pro Tools, which is a tree-based product. Ancestry have muddied the waters by also calling the advanced DNA tools, Pro Tools. Some clarity on exactly what is included in what package is required here.
It is the same product. Although basic DNA features were moved under DNA Plus, now another basic DNA features are going to be put under existing ProTools so users are forced to pay again for another subscription.
Years ago when someone said they wanted to be able to see how dna shared matches had with each other I didn't see the need for it. But, I have changed my mind and I look forward to this option. I was wondering about it just the other day and thought maybe instead of being something you had to op into, maybe if could be something you would need to op out of if you didn't want your matches to know.
Thanks Connie and Crista! I am so excited for the new DNA tool!! Yay!
Matches of matches...this is why MyHeritage is so expensive, but so darn useful. 23&Me gave this tool out for free, which was foolish in retrospect given their current situation.
Curious to see if I get any new snd smaller communities in my DNA results. My smallest community right now is hardly small. It’s the size of 20+ counties. (All my communities are in the U.S.)
The Rootstech app just told me Christa is my 13th cousin. Who knew?! Really happy with the new communities - I finally show every one I would expect to see.
Got you beat; she's my 10th cousin once removed
I am also 10th cousin once removed
@@frankhooper7871Same for me to 😁
when will we see the matches of matches feature??? Need this badly!
I think it is shameful that Ancestry can keep increasing their rates AND add on these "microtransactions" to go back for more. I have to pay an additional $120 a year to use family group sheets that used to be free?!?! Additionally, so much of the truly useful content is uploaded by other users. (Photos, documents, links to articles, etc.) I am currently working on downloading the documents I can only get there and then I am finished with the un-ending gouging of Ancestry. It is all very sad really. How many more people would join Ancestry if it were not so cost-prohibitive?
I was surprised that when you suggested that people sign up for Ancestry trial subscription if they couldn’t afford Ancestry, that you would have also told they have a $25 cancellation fee even on the trial subscription.
That’s news to me.
Connie, please make a video explaining the different tiers and what's included. I've looked at all of them, and Christa explained - all plans include all the DNA tools. You don't need to pay extra. The thing with the DNA tools is shared matches, shared ancestors, etc. are no longer free, but you can pay $30 for 6 months for just the DNA tools plus traits.
But upcoming ProTools require another additional subscription even if you already have the highest possible subscription. Shared matches alone are not often much useful and can be often misleading without triangulations. If you want such important information, you will need to buy two separate subscriptions.
I will once I can wrap my head around it. They are still rolling out the pricing stuff... Crista said they would do a grid explaining it. I'll try to dig out more info.
When will this individual membership be available in the UK?
Looking forward to the advanced matching tools - Matches of matches will be huge for some of us. Is this feature available now - I don't see it. if not do you know WHEN??
I’ve been told a couple of months.
Will we get to see what ethnicity we got from our grandparents soon
I think that they are working on it, but it sounds like it is more complicated than they expected.
@GenealogyTV I got my mother tested and we can see what she got from her parents and I'm planning on buying a kit for my dad's mom soon.
I hope they introduce the new matches of matches feature and community filter this year. I'm really looking for it!
I think they said (at RootsTech) the first half of this year (2024)
@@sylviabargas3340 That's great!!
Good to hear the upcoming additions. Cost is hard for us common people.
On another note, Will ancestry or any other genealogy provider, be considering a Native American data base????
Many of my folks of descendent have asked through the years if that May ever happen because many want to know if they are of American Indian blood.
I'm not of native American descent (that I know of) so I can't say for sure - but I have found Genomelink to be more useful for my traditional culture ancestry. Might be worth having a look into them.
I didn’t know I was of Native American Ancestry until I was 57 years old.
Family never spoke of it.
Some said it was a shame to be.
Either way it’s all good for me.
Thanks for the tip thornedrose
Ancestry (and the other companies) include Native American along with everything else. I have a small amount of Native American ancestry (from marriages that took place back in the 1700s) and it shows up in my ethnicity estimate (at 1%).
I would love to see more adoption records from 100 years ago.
Ancestry has still failed to give me any communities outside of the US despite me having several immigrant ancestors at 3rd great grandparent and 2nd great grandparent levels.
They can only give you communities if there are people from those locations tested in the database who also match you.
@@carokat1111not true… I’m full blooded Indian (reflected in ethnicity estimate) but strange French community is there still for no good reason (no French or white matches)
@@hiteshishim My response remains accurate. You are raising a different issue.
@@carokat1111I would make a small correction to "if there are people WITH ANCESTORS from those locations tested". This ethnicity stuff is practically based only on the information that tested people stated about their ancestors.
@carokat1111 there are, one is a half 1c1r and he only has Italian communities. I still have none. 23 and Me was able to assign me 2 genetic group communities, though.
I had to come back and make a new comment. I just learned from Roots Tech that I am Crista Cowan's 11th Cousin! So awesome!
So cool!
Would be interesting to see if the ethncity you share with your matches are from the same source. For example I could have a match that's 1% native American just like me but that native American could have came from the side of the family that's not even relative to me.
That’s the problem when something becomes popular. Companies change the goal posts in that they divide up the subs and then charge us more.
So wait, is there gonna be a DNA update on the communities? It kind of sounded like Crista was saying that, but I wasn't sure.
In one of the Facebook groups where the new DNA features were being discussed, there was some concern that we wouldn't be able to apply these tools to our managed kits. I didn't hear Crista say or suggest anything along those lines, so am I right in believing/hoping that we will be able to apply them to all of our kits?
Good question. I believe I heard her say that eventually we would be able to apply those tools to all we manage.
So if DNAPlus is "only for people who have never had a records subscription before," those of us who have had a records subscription at any time in the past will be ineligible to purchase DNAPlus? That would be sad news for retirees on fixed incomes. 😔
I just wish that Ancestry would play fair with us Canadians and give us the same tools the US gets. Why do US customers get Newspapers Exra with their Subscriptions but as a Canadian I have to pay $18.47 a month to access Publisher's Extra. Yet I pay for All Access which is in reality World.
Very disappointed with change to the individual plan subscription. I only research in the U.S. My immigrant ancestors came so far back in time I haven’t even reached them yet. I’m much more interested in fleshing out the stories of my recent ancestors in the U.S. I do not need to be spending huge amounts of money to get access to records from all over the earth.
To give an idea of how far back we go in the U.S. I was able to get my 90-ish year old grandmother and two of her 80-ish year old sisters to do DNA tests. None of them have communities in the “old” country.
I hear you. Mine immigrated in the 1600's... so there is a ton of work to do in the U.S. first.
OMG... I wish I had elderly grandparents to test. You are very lucky.
The whole point of the change to individual plan subscription is for Ancestry to make more $. Very few people (if any) will be paying less than they currently are.
When is Ancestry going to add a translation button?
Connie, always great when we have the treat of both you and Crista.
Thank you
Do we have any timeframe on when the DNA matches of matches pro-tool is going to be available? Do we have any timeframe also on when existing subscribers will be transitioned to the new subscription model?
I heard one to two months... so that means 3-4 month. LOL
@@GenealogyTVWell, I'm a software engineer and yes, that's probably true then. :D
Are there plans (I hope) to include haplogroups with DNA data? If so, when?
Their tests are obsolete and contain only very small amount of Y-DNA SNPs so you would get only very basic haplogroup. You can currently extract it using cladeFinder from your Ancestry DNA raw file. If you want detailed analysis, it is much better to go with a different company.
@tomask1436 it would be lovely not only to know mine, but ID DNA relatives with same haplogroup.
Not a single mention about Grandparent SideView...
They said they are not ready yet. There are some technical challenges.
That's because they're not doing it. So the only way to get that is by getting both your parents to test (if they're still alive).
I have almost stopped my Ancestry searches and looking to move to something else because I hate the 2 step verifications and refuse to use them and am pissed off that I can't see my dna matches without it
You can turn the 2 step verification off in your settings. I looked at it today and decided to keep it.
Does anyone know what Ancestry has done with the burial records for the period including 1810 StGeorge the Martyr, Queen's square Holborn? The LMA says Ancestry has them online, Familysearch says the same, as does the National Archives but...they aren't online! All I can get is a chat bot who goes away to think about my question & doesn't come back. Where are the parish records on film X096/233?
love the full text search. cant wait fo it to cove the uk
Need your help with mine🤷♀️
Thanks for your support of the channel.
I noticed that 23andMe was noticeably absent from RootsTech, didn't see them on the list of sponsors or the list of convention booths at RootsTech. Does anyone know why?
Good point
I think it comes down to the fact that genealogy/ancestry is NOT the main focus of 23andMe. They're primarily focused on the Health and Drug Development aspect. Genealogy is a secondary (and very minor) part of their business.
Probably figuring out how to avoid bankruptcy
When is the new fee structure going in effect? Today, their website still has three memberships - US Discovery, World Explorer, All Access. I have been debating joining. I don't have any friends/family that would be interested in genealogy so All Access is too expensive for me.
I always recommend starting with the smaller membership and then upgrade as you need to. They have not given any timeline as when this new membership will transition.
Ah ya have to have good stories for injuries.... bear ... swordfighting .... now i have to figure out what memberships...
I like how you use your ancestor from Denmark. And also hello from Denmark 😅😂
Hello Denmark! I really want to get there someday.
@@GenealogyTV You should take the chance if it comes up one day. Without be sure, I think you would like here or at least have a good holiday ☺️
Love you ladies❤
My membership is due to renew at the end of this month. There is only me really interested so I don't need to share. I search records in the UK and other parts of the world. What membership would be best for me?
I don't work for Ancestry, but from what I'm hearing, the individual membership will likely be best for you. They should offer it to you as an option or just let it auto-renew as it is.
None. Take a break from paying. There are other sources of information. It might depend on where your research takes you but I have managed just fine for over 10 years using a free account along with familysearch, Scotland's People and freebdm websites. Also google bdm New Zealand, bdm Victoria Queensland and New South Wales. You can always go back to membership if you feel you still need it. I did purchase a number of DNA tests from them, but their treatment of customers with regard to results of those tests is so appalling I won't give them another penny for anything.
Thanks Connie & Crista! Sounds exciting! Question ... Do you know if Ancestry will open up "shared surnames" for all users not just DNA matches? I often find users uploading documents of some of my ancestors but they haven't taken a test so I have to go and scroll through their entire list of tree members looking for familiar surnames and it's very daunting.
Interesting idea.
Chromosome Browser please!
Boy have they heard that one before. I think they're trying to get the grandparent grouping done first. I'm guessing here.
The only situation in which Ancestry would provide a Chromosome Browser is if not having one was impacting their Market Share. But that's not the case. They continue to be King of the Hill.@@GenealogyTV
this video was PERFECTLY timed! My 6 month subscription had just lapsed -- today! I normally don't do gene during the warmer months, but you may have just convinced me to re-up for 6 more months.
so seeing how much matches of matches share is great BUT actual chromosome & segment data would be very very helpful, as well
If the had said they were going to change the parent 1/parent 2 labels to maternal/paternal and use the technology they obviously have access to tell users which parent a match links to then a lot of new, inexperienced and casual users might be tempted to become more involved. Many don't know how to work it out and in an adoption/unknown parent scenario it could be almost impossible without some help from someone who knows how to work with matches.
If that maternal/paternal detail was extended so I could look a match and know which of their parents the link is through I'd have a real incentive to follow up on that match, it would encourage collaboration and use of that lame group message 'feature' we keep being told about and earn a few subscribers along the way. There's an argument to say it could even make the dna tools package worth looking at and give Ancestry something to shout about beyond having the biggest database.
Perhaps you could ask Crista when the rest of the world are going to get access to pro tools? At the moment, these are only available to people in the US.
I suspect it’ll be out the next six months. That’s pure speculation, though.
Is the rest of the world actually interested in paying $180 per year to have access to features that don't even include the chromosome browser and see information about matches that don't even respond to messages?
You may well be right, but it would be nice to have the option. I'm getting tired of updates to Ancestry only being available to folks in the US while those of us who live in the so-called 'old countries' have to wait months. We pay a lot of money, especially for world wide access, newspapers and Fold 3 so why should we have to wait months? And while I am here, can I also mention the tendency for Ancestry to assume everything happens in the US? I teach family history to people in Scotland, and I have to explain to them that when they are looking at results from their searches when using family trees, they should look at those results that have their ancestors dying in the US because Ancestry assumes that Aberdeen Scotland is Aberdeen in Western Washington. The town of Hamilton is in Lanarkshire, Scotland but as far as Ancestry is concerned, it is always in Madison County, New York. @@tomask1436
My comment keeps gets deleted. Not sure why... Ancestry now requires you have to a sub to view shared matches. I'm not ok with that at all.
wow, lots of great news, I think the bear story is better than just falling though 🤣
and I refuse to even try the new dna tools as long as you make me use the 2 step verifications and will not use them feel like you are restricting what I have already paid for
You can turn the 2 step verification off in your settings. I looked at it today and decided to keep it.
Hmm. This new "subscription model" will push people OUT of U.S. Discovery INTO higher-priced World Explorer. Ancestry wouldn't be doing this if they didn't think they'd make more $ from it--at OUR expense.