This isn't just the supply/demand imbalance being rectified. It goes to show why many don't like Rolex. One person asks and ends up on a list forever. A prior customer (that they just happened to disappoint) gets one that they hide in the back for the right people. I have heard plenty of stories like this. One person gets laughed at, another has everything to choose from in the safe in the back.
I think some people do not pick up what they ordered. Especially when market value is below official distribution price. I saw recently white gold submariner available in AD.
Super late comment, but the video points in this direction lol. Guy walks into AD, says he has a history with Patek Philippe, AD says the store is losing their license, brings out the Submariner so he won't lose the customer. It works hook line and sinker.
Oh, yes. Maybe that's it. Aim very high, then you'll eventually get something... just kidding. I was just lucky, already had a Patek purchase history, and he felt bad that no more Pateks will be available.
@@sc1 he knew you were disappointed and wanted to keep you as a client, thinking you have a shot being a big purchaser since you already purchased a Patek with them. it's really that simple. don't make it seem like anyone can just walk in and buy one.
@@beerkegaardExactly my thoughts. He sells you a Sub and he keeps good will with you. There is no trick or game. The AD figures how he can make the most money and that’s how he decides.
I don't want to "build a relationship" with my AD by purchasing jewelry from them that I don't want. Just take my money and give me the watch that I want.
Do not go to an AD that is also a jeweler. They will almost always entice you (subtlety or overtly) to buy diamonds. If you have only one target Rolex in mind, then go to a gray dealer and pay the premium. Once and done.
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The Submariner No-date is certainly one of the most beautiful and clean watches from Rolex. You can wear it every day and it also looks fine with a tuxedo. Congrats 🎉
Congratulations on your Rolex purchase. This corresponds with the continued decline in luxury watch prices. The more pain (rapid price decline)we can inflict on the watch flippers and that are not true watch enthusiast the better.
The flippers are inactive now. No profit anymore for most Rolex. I wonder how many people on “the list” are getting the call then declining it. It might pick up in demand this fall/ winter.
One of the AD’s I use, which is the largest one in my country, is saying something similar about the personal experience, and allocations. He also told me that Rolex expect the AD’s to carry les stock and rely more on specific request, which correlates with the personal experience. However, they don’t expect significant changes in the secondary market. They usually see a lot of business during summer from Asian tourists, but this summer has been very slow, which give them headache in relation to bringing the inventory down as requested by Rolex. They are normally stocking about 50 Rolex watches. He told me that they mainly see interest in watches during spring and fall from locals. He does however say that Christmas isn’t the time for watches. During December, they sell jewellery and not watches, which was a bit of a surprise to me.
Interesting information. The ADs I have seen here still have display models, but very few in stock. The number of exhibition pieces correlates with the size of the store. The one at Short Hills Mall in New Jersey is huge. With dozens and dozens of display models in several different rooms (but only 3 left out for sale). I normally expect Summer to be slow for demand, but I always assumed Christmas would be very bust with demand.
Been on "The List" for under 4 years with my Rolex AD. Finally today I received an email telling me she hopes to be calling me soon with good news and of course I responded immediately. I think after almost 4 years of no word she is telling me get your money ready.
This is the game which is sickening. A similar thing happened to me with an AD in TX, which was great for me, but when I first walked in the AD swore up and down they have nothing for sale other than the 31mm ladies OP at the front. Finally deciding to do establish business with this AD, I bought the OP for my wife. Load and behold as we were sizing her watch the guy pulled me aside and asked me if I would be interested in a nondate Sub (which he swore was impossible to get because so many people wanted it). I left with 2 rolexes that evening
Astonishing. (But we all know this happens). Thanks for your input. More evidence that they always have something “in the back”. My junior SA was seemingly instructed to say that nothing is available for sale. But once my purchase history is recognized, things open up. It’s a game that has to be played… If you want that watch bad enough.
How do you go about accessing the most senior person in the store when you are newly developing the relationship? The way I have seen dialogues play out is, walk up to velvet rope and speak to whomever they assign to greet you. Do you suggest asking that person to go fetch the owner? Maybe? but it seems like it could alienate them off the bat....
You need to be delicate about it, but I think it can be done. After you finish speaking to the Sales Associate, perhaps just ask in a gentle and nice way, "May I also introduce myself to the manager/owner?" Just make it look like you want to get to know everyone in the store.
I walked into the AD at Mohegan Sun in Ct just looking they had some Rolex models on display nothing for sale i liked the 2 tone Sub black and yellow,,I had previously owned 2 black and stainless over the years and sold both, they said they could order me a 2 tone black and yellow but no guarantee it could be delivered , they took my info and said they would call if one came in,, 6 weeks later they called and had one for me, regrettably i paid full retail plus tax. retiring in Sept so it is my retirement gift ,i love it.....
I also have the blue bezel White Gold Sub, the so called BlueBerry. She’s a beautiful model, but heavy and needs to be fitted properly to not have it move around and feel uncomfortable. The Blueberry was my second purchase at my local AD, a milestone celebration piece. Congratulations on the piece and wear and enjoy her in good health.
I was offered the Blue Bezel White Gold Sub recently while picking up my Explorer 36. They brought it out from "the back". I was BLOWN AWAY by how stunning it looked under the AD lights. I had to do a double-take, it looked amazing in person, better than pictures. I just wasn't ready to drop that amount of cash at the time. But good pick-up!
I saw this piece on display for sale in Gothenburg, Sweden recently. It was stunning and so very heavy in a great way. I was so tempted but reluctant to deal with customs so I let it go....
@@Laguna2013 The grey market price on the White Gold Sub has fallen below retail, so that is why the ADs are offering it to more people. But it is still a great looking piece.
I recently did an exchange deal, my 'Smurf' Submariner for a black ceramic Daytona. That was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life and I regret it every day!
Interesting, although you certainly have an extensive purchase history that's for sure! I'm on the waitlist for one with a purchase history of a 124270 and 126200 so we'll see what happens!
I think my purchase history helped, but MORE than that, talking directly to the Owner of the store made it happen. The first salesperson had no authority to make the sale, and she told me it was not available, even though she must have known it was sitting in the back. Only after talking to the Owner, he was able to release it to me. Having connections really helps with getting in-demand pieces. I'm thinking this is mostly how people get the steel Daytona and steel Pepsi. Purchasing an Explorer and Datejust will certainly help, but talking directly to the senior Manager/Owner will speed things up immensely.
Love to hear the feedback. My buying experience was 'different'. Very efficient, in and out. Good, but then again not much of any prolonged chit-chat... The watch is superb. Excellent watch.
I was at my Rolex AD yesterday. They had 2 women’s watches that had very small faces and were in the $40,000 range. Congratulations. The AD doesn’t want to lose you as a customer, since you won’t be buying any Pateks there. Why would Rolex have to reward an AD? The AD sells every watch.
@@sc1 What angers me is there are pages full of Daytonas on the Grey market. Somebody is getting these watches. I have a 30 year relationship with my Rolex AD. I went to buy a watch for my wife. Despite our relationship, he wanted a $5,000 deposit and promised me the watch in a month. 6 months pass, no watch. I took my deposit back. I bought her another watch, for a ridiculous amount of money, from another store, that wanted my business. After 14 months the original AD calls and has the watch. I told him no. I actually felt guilty, because I might want something in the future.
@@rickjason215 There must be some way to track down where these Daytonas are coming from. For instance, I heard Rolex is buying these watches from the grey dealer site and checking the serial number to find out which flipper it was sold to. especially the "new with stickers" Daytonas. I hope it's true and they are doing that. btw, you should still be able to go back to your AD if you want something else later. they can't blacklist you for saying no to an offer of a watch.
@sc1 I was glad to see your AD wanted to keep you happy. He could have sold that watch in a minute to anyone. I am sure Rolex could stop the grey market in a month. I found it distasteful that the AD made me put up a deposit. I bought watches from them when they were discounting them. No loyalty.
Of course here in Europe Rolex has or is purchasing Bucherer which is a very posh high end watch and jewellery retail group. I went into their store in Paris to try and order/get a Submariner date green bezel. They had already called me and invited me to visit them so I was welcomed by a lovely lady who smiled lots and kept thanking me for choosing Bucherer to buy my Rolex from. She showed me several watches and I tried on the one I would like to buy. She assured me they would be able to obtain one for me in due course. That was in September this year and so far I have heard nothing. Not sure I expected anything this side of Christmas but we live in hope.
If she seemed genuine, then it may still be possible within the next 6-12 months. But I would recommend revisiting them before that, to re-express your interest.
Congrats! The graduation from Rolex to Patek is natural but I think many fall back to Rolex eventually as you cannot beat the quality and overall usability for the price. Still I also plan to graduate to Patek one day soon!
Great purchase! I think the new Sub is just perfect in proportions. I bought the Starbucks 4 months ago and simply love to wear it. Have fun with your new Sub!! 🥰
Same here! I have a relationship with an AD and got a Rolex. They also sold Patek. My goal was to collect various time pieces Rolex + Patek. However, in February of this year, their Patek account was closed as well. Unfortunate, but I still have a great relationship with them.
That's a good coincidence. I had a one prior Patek purchase, and was trying to get a second Patek. But no prior Rolex purchase. I was sorry to see the loss of future Patek from here, but I was then able to look for another Patek AD.
The only other Patek dealer is also associated with Rolex in the main part of the city. However, I have had not so great experiences with them. Twice, the associates I worked with left and was not informed. Very dry interactions. Was your Patek purchase because you had other purchases with them? I did notice their associates on the Patek side were a bit more warm than those on the Rolex side.@@sc1
With my First Original Patek Purchase, I had no prior purchase history. I explained that this is the closest Patek AD to me and I would like to start a Patek collection. I dealt Directly with the Owner of the store. The other sales associates were not authorized to deal with Patek sales. (Even on the Rolex side, the sales associates are not authorized to reveal what stock they have "in the back") I was lucky that he had a Patek 5205G on display and he agreed to sell it to me. That is why I always recommend to speak with the o\Owner or the most Senior sales manager. The junior sales people will not be able to help you, unless they later get permission from management. With my Second Patek Purchase at my Next AD, I also did not have any purchase history. But I came in wearing a Rolex. I dealt directly with the Assistant Manager and he agreed to sell me something else they had on display... My video on this is coming up.
Congrats on your new Sub and I love the no date I think it just looks cleaner. Also thanks for all the great info I didn't know Rolex sales slowed down in the summer.
The PP purchase request is an important caveat, since the value of that purchase. But, as an apology, since he is no longer a PP AD, here's a Rolex. So, people ought not infer from your experience that Rolex sports models are available to anyone. I just conducted a three-watch trade for a 2023 126660, so I have no complaints about the AD drama that persist to this day.
That matches what my AD (in Germany) told me last week: The situation with the black Submariners - date and no date - is easing. There is little to no waiting time at the moment.
@@sc1 I never left!! Been following all your videos! 😀😀 Your travel videos are the best, although I can imagine they take up a lot of your time to make, so please don't feel pressured to sacrifice too much of your vacation/work time. Rest assured that all of your content is great and really appreciated!! On topic: I was considering getting a submariner like yours, but it does sort of clash with my black dial explorer ii which looks and wears sort of different (though I admit the big plus point of the sub is the smaller size compared to the explorer ii). I've actually been wearing a Breitling diver (Superocean Heritage II) all summer as a beater watch and I loved it - actually got more compliments than a Rolex! But its a big watch, a bit like a SD43 actually, and I struggle to fit it under a shirt and jumper.
It’s so strange that these dealers have this control over a watch brand. . Somehow the AD dealers had no Rolex but the grey market is with a healthy stock . It’s obvious that the AD dealers were selling the watches for bigger profits .
I went into my Omega AD, and asked about buying a watch. He said they didn't have any watches, and I ended up buying a kind of plastic copy of an Omega. It was brightly coloured, and some of the colour liked me so much, it left the watch, and stayed on my wrist. As I was talking to the AD, my plastic Omega broke, so I informed the assistant, and he said that mine had lasted 20 minutes before breaking, which was a record for his dealership. The assistant said he would put me on the list, for one of the Omega watches, made of metal. It's like a parallel Universe!!!
Hey @sc1 - I have an AirKing 126900 dated Jan 16 2023 with the old style warranty booklet, and a new Explorer 224270 dated July 22 2023 with the new booklet/QR code.
That narrows it down. My Explorer 36 dated Feb 13 2023 had the old style service booklet. They must have switched it between 2/13/2023 and 7/22/2023. Thanks.
Umm yes they do. You should of gotten your white hang tag. That has your serial number and the exact reference number on it. That's considered a part of the full set. As of a week ago our ADs are giving the white hang tags out with purchases at least. And that last few days with the Bucherer purchase they are going to have their own ADs.
Congrats! I’ve heard a few stories like these in the last few weeks. I know someone who is a secondary dealer and said they are now buying Submariners at retail which hopefully weeds the flippers off since there’s no profit. I also heard Patek is closing more doors which is really unfortunate. There’s only one Patek AD in my state. Best of luck on your journey and enjoy the Sub!
I have heard the Rolex stories too. Submariner supply coming in. It might be due to the lower seasonal demand in summer, combined with the recent price increases, which deters the flippers because of lower margins. It Could change during the Christmas season if demand picks up. But I'll enjoy my Sub right now, I did not hear about the Patek consolidation until now, so it was a shock to me. Bad news for me, but I'm looking for a new Patek AD.
In time, their greed will get tge better of them, and inventory will be up to where they cannot even back door it to greys. Then we can laugh at them. What a system.
Thanks, I got lucky that he had kept this particular one "in the back" over the weekend, but it never would have happened without my prior (Patek) purchase history.
Personally this is how the rolex offers should go down, get some interest from yopu, your clearly a collector and then offer you it... done deal really nice to hear! Shame about the Patek AD relationship having to be restarted! good luck with your collection!
Picked up my 124060 on grey market, ADs here are a joke. It is a phenomenal watch, a work of minimalistic art, the one watch that elevates my collection
Thanks. I’m enjoying wearing it. Mostly true. But if I would have stopped asking after the junior Sales Associate, I would never have gotten the Sub (she was not aware of my purchase history, and told me nothing was available). Only after waiting 10 (long) minutes to speak with the owner, was I offered the Submariner from the back. I needed my bucket purchase history AND talking to the owner. Both.
The title should be… I have a MASSIVE purchase history and normally deal in Patek but had to make do with a Rolex. You was scammed mated, that shop had big windows
I bought a couple of watches that I liked at my AD. Next visit I asked for a Sub and walked out with one on my wrist. That is the current game. If you have a history at your AD, you’ll be surprised about how many desired Rolex models he has hidden somewhere.
People need to realise that it ISN'T ROLEX who decides who buys their watches - it's the individual dealerships. There is a huge shortage of supply for Rolex watches but the dealerships reserve what they get for their best customer's and "reward" them.with first choice on what comes in. There is no "list" or Rolex purchase history necessary. If you've bought a tonne of jewellery from the dealership or a bunch of other non Rolex watches, chances are if you want a Rolex model they'll either give you one they have "in the back" or the next one they get in from Rolex.
Congratulations, great watch. Now you can wear your Patek when you visit new ADs and just explain that your old AD has lost their Patek AD status. Rolex will come out with new models so you will probably want to buy more in the future.
Good point! Two-edged sword. I totally lost my established purchase history with my original Patek AD, but now I felt free to wear my 5205G to the new Patek AD and explained that my previous AD has gone. I hope they will take me on as a new client. It will keep Rolex open, but it will take a very special new release. I should focus on Patek.
I wore my 5205 to a new Patek AD in New Jersey. He kept pressing me on where I got it, so I eventually was obliged to tell him I got it elsewhere in New Jersey, and they are losing their license. I am not sure if disclosing this information is helpful to me or not.
I am sure it helps a lot. It shows your interest in the brand and that you have the financial resources to be a faithful customer! Keep us informed. By the way, congratulations to the success of this video! Amazing amount of views and comments!
@@gregsaga682 Thanks, I'm not sure why this video popped so well. It wasn't even my best production quality. I have some news on the Patek front and I need your opinion privately. Do you mind sending me your email address to sconytchannel@gmail.com
@@sc1 I tried to send you an email but it bounce back with the message that the email address didn't exist or couldn't receive the email. Correct email address?
I bought a rolex day just for my wife 2 years ago at the AD and we went back to put my name on the list for the Sub, problem is we met the junior sales associate. Do you think I have a chance?
Better to go back and ask to also meet the senior manager if possible. So they know your face. And to make sure they did not forget about you. I think my AD forgot that I wanted an Explorer for a long time (2 years!)
I mean, you have a Patek purchase history. So there’s that. My purchase history with my AD is for my wife’s Cartier. So I don’t think I’ll be getting the same deal.
Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane, both pieces. That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Majordomo of the AD, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a descendant of Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke. There is very little detail discussed about the movement, in house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD? With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw. So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get much more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology. Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane. That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Major Dumo, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke. There is very little detail discussed about the movement, house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD? With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw. So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology. Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane. That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Major Dumo, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke. There is very little detail discussed about the movement, house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD? With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw. So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology.
Congrats on your Sub. Awesome story. I also didnt wait long for my Sub Date last year. My AD promised in October that he would get me one before the price hike January 1st. So i got mine in December.
Congratulation 🎉 I would be interested in how the difference is to the 114060 for you? you sold this watch because it was too big for you... is the 124060 better to wear now, even though it is theoretically larger?
The lugs and lug width make the difference. The 114060 had chunky lugs and a 20mm width. The 124060 now has narrower streamlined lugs with a 21mm width. It makes the bracelet flow/ integrate better with the case.
Great collection! I hope to one day have at least one of these watches. If you don't mind me asking what do you do for work to afford such incredible watches? Loved the vid, thanks!
But you were already their customer with several prior purchases and you already own a Sub so selling to you was a good/easy decision for them. If you hadn't had several prior purchases from them (even non Rolex) I wonder if you would have got it from what I hear. Good for you though, enjoy!
I am a NEW customer, since January 2023. I only purchased ONE watch from him, the Patek Philippe 5205G. Nothing else, no jewelry. My older Sub Date (pre-ceramic) was purchased from a different AD in another state, eight years ago. I tried to explain this in my video. I am very sure that I would NOT have gotten this new Submariner, if I did not have a prior purchase of a Patek Philippe from this store. He might have showed some sympathy because no more Patek was available, But that is what it happened, and I am happy to enjoy my new Rolex Submariner!
Yes, but they had not changed the website yet. The Patek section was still open in the store with a few display pieces, but no more new Patek pieces would be coming in.
Congrats on the purchase, yea your Rolex collection is more than complete you need no more for now. Hope you nail a solid Patek AD to have your new journey on Patek pieces. It’ll be a very interesting channel once your collection grows in that route 🤞🏽
You mentioned that if the dealer does “better than expected” they will be rewarded with a steal Daytona. How does that work when virtually every dealer sells every Rolex they are sent by the factory. How could they possibly do any better?
Yeah, some one else commented on this. I can't explain it, but that's what he said. I suppose if they can sell out even faster than every other AD in the state, then they will get more allocation from the Rolex.
Congratulations! But how can a Daytona allocation be an AD incentive if every model is continuously sold out? 🤷🏼♂️Supply determines sales, not the sales efforts of the AD in case of shortage.
it's what they told me, but you are correct. doesn't make sense. That AD already has more clients than they know what to do with. makes more sense that the Daytona is a reward incentive to the end- customer to remain loyal and long-term.
I am stuck between my next rolex. I have a 2006 Pepsi and a 2023 Sub Bluesy. Having a hard time committing to a daily black diver. Submariner or SD43? You're videos make it hard to choose, lol
The SD43 has a much thicker case, but I like its bezel better: graduated marking all around, and an even better clicky bezel action sound than the Sub. But unless you have a 7.5 inch wrist, stick with the Submariner. A cleaner dial, better fit for my small wrist, still has Glide Lock, and cheaper if gotten from the AD!
The new comparison video is perfect....really needed that as I struggle and keep going back and forth between the two. Although I think the realistic outcome will be both, lol. Thanks again!
I have never asked to the green sub. I mean, it's a Sub so it looks great, but I never got into the green color. I understand why it's popular, but I just prefer the classic black bezel.
@@sc1 Mine too. I just got the same Sub about two weeks ago. You mentioned considering removing another link, but I think it will throw off the balance of the clasp on the backside of your wrist.
@@tricky92x I'm ok right now with just 2 links removed. But the Glide-Lock is almost totally closed, so I don't have the option to tighten further, unless I remove another link. I will just need to wear it for a few more days before I decide about the links.
@@sc1 I've been hovering towards the tightest settings on the glide-lock as well. It seems to fit me best with one notch visible. If you do decide to remove a link, please reply on here and let me know what you think. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. Actually, I want to buy the submariner no date but I wonder whether black dial looks good and has good resale value? What do you say?
Notjhing unusual about this. You are an existing PATEK client. Without argument, Patek is a more exclusive brand vs Rolex. So if you've already established a relationship as a Patek client, it's a no-brainer to sell you a Ref 124060.
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This isn't just the supply/demand imbalance being rectified. It goes to show why many don't like Rolex. One person asks and ends up on a list forever. A prior customer (that they just happened to disappoint) gets one that they hide in the back for the right people. I have heard plenty of stories like this. One person gets laughed at, another has everything to choose from in the safe in the back.
"Maybe we have one in the back." 😂
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I think some people do not pick up what they ordered. Especially when market value is below official distribution price. I saw recently white gold submariner available in AD.
@@staszekpulpecik3381 but is the white gold sub actually for sale? Or is the AD saving it for someone “special”?
Super late comment, but the video points in this direction lol.
Guy walks into AD, says he has a history with Patek Philippe, AD says the store is losing their license, brings out the Submariner so he won't lose the customer. It works hook line and sinker.
He already bought a patek from this AD. He is already on the list as a spender. This is a sweetheart deal, not a message of hope for commoners.
Lol so the trick is you have to ask for patek in order to be offered rolex.
Oh, yes. Maybe that's it. Aim very high, then you'll eventually get something... just kidding. I was just lucky, already had a Patek purchase history, and he felt bad that no more Pateks will be available.
@@sc1 he knew you were disappointed and wanted to keep you as a client, thinking you have a shot being a big purchaser since you already purchased a Patek with them. it's really that simple. don't make it seem like anyone can just walk in and buy one.
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@@beerkegaardExactly my thoughts. He sells you a Sub and he keeps good will with you. There is no trick or game. The AD figures how he can make the most money and that’s how he decides.
My friend the trick is you have the money to do it !
In this story; a VIP walks into his AD, where he spent 5, if not 6 figures and unsurprisingly gets offered a no-date.
I don't want to "build a relationship" with my AD by purchasing jewelry from them that I don't want. Just take my money and give me the watch that I want.
Do not go to an AD that is also a jeweler. They will almost always entice you (subtlety or overtly) to buy diamonds.
If you have only one target Rolex in mind, then go to a gray dealer and pay the premium. Once and done.
The Submariner No-date is certainly one of the most beautiful and clean watches from Rolex. You can wear it every day and it also looks fine with a tuxedo. Congrats 🎉
Wearing it with a tux is a bit much. Fantastic watch, though.
Congratulations on your Rolex purchase. This corresponds with the continued decline in luxury watch prices. The more pain (rapid price decline)we can inflict on the watch flippers and that are not true watch enthusiast the better.
The flippers are inactive now. No profit anymore for most Rolex. I wonder how many people on “the list” are getting the call then declining it.
It might pick up in demand this fall/ winter.
Just did a UK chrono24 search for 2023 rolex the ADs are very obviously still selling to the wrong clients.@@sc1
One of the AD’s I use, which is the largest one in my country, is saying something similar about the personal experience, and allocations. He also told me that Rolex expect the AD’s to carry les stock and rely more on specific request, which correlates with the personal experience. However, they don’t expect significant changes in the secondary market. They usually see a lot of business during summer from Asian tourists, but this summer has been very slow, which give them headache in relation to bringing the inventory down as requested by Rolex. They are normally stocking about 50 Rolex watches. He told me that they mainly see interest in watches during spring and fall from locals. He does however say that Christmas isn’t the time for watches. During December, they sell jewellery and not watches, which was a bit of a surprise to me.
Interesting information. The ADs I have seen here still have display models, but very few in stock. The number of exhibition pieces correlates with the size of the store. The one at Short Hills Mall in New Jersey is huge. With dozens and dozens of display models in several different rooms (but only 3 left out for sale).
I normally expect Summer to be slow for demand, but I always assumed Christmas would be very bust with demand.
I picked up the same model after a 4 week wait from my AD. I have a purchase history of two watches from them, however, this was my first Rolex.
That sounds consistent with some other people's experiences recently.
Been on "The List" for under 4 years with my Rolex AD. Finally today I received an email telling me she hopes to be calling me soon with good news and of course I responded immediately. I think after almost 4 years of no word she is telling me get your money ready.
Good luck. something like that happened to me once, but it was a false alarm.
Don’t buy it give me the allocation
That depends on what you want to get. What do you want?@@wayneguy6043
Great deal! I see you also got a Patek 5205G, I own one myself such a fantastic timepiece!
it is incredible. I still feel lucky to have the 5205
This is the game which is sickening. A similar thing happened to me with an AD in TX, which was great for me, but when I first walked in the AD swore up and down they have nothing for sale other than the 31mm ladies OP at the front. Finally deciding to do establish business with this AD, I bought the OP for my wife. Load and behold as we were sizing her watch the guy pulled me aside and asked me if I would be interested in a nondate Sub (which he swore was impossible to get because so many people wanted it). I left with 2 rolexes that evening
Astonishing. (But we all know this happens). Thanks for your input. More evidence that they always have something “in the back”. My junior SA was seemingly instructed to say that nothing is available for sale. But once my purchase history is recognized, things open up. It’s a game that has to be played… If you want that watch bad enough.
Rolex 🎣 😂
SC - your taste, collection, videos, are a huge help to a new collector. Thank you!
How do you go about accessing the most senior person in the store when you are newly developing the relationship? The way I have seen dialogues play out is, walk up to velvet rope and speak to whomever they assign to greet you. Do you suggest asking that person to go fetch the owner? Maybe? but it seems like it could alienate them off the bat....
You need to be delicate about it, but I think it can be done. After you finish speaking to the Sales Associate, perhaps just ask in a gentle and nice way, "May I also introduce myself to the manager/owner?"
Just make it look like you want to get to know everyone in the store.
@@sc1 nice. that's very smooth I will try it
Not being to buy a second Patek must’ve been a savage blow indeed.
Nice zinger. You are either a sarcastic wise-guy, a kindred spirit, or maybe both.
I walked into the AD at Mohegan Sun in Ct just looking they had some Rolex models on display nothing for sale i liked the 2 tone Sub black and yellow,,I had previously owned 2 black and stainless over the years and sold both, they said they could order me a 2 tone black and yellow but no guarantee it could be delivered , they took my info and said they would call if one came in,, 6 weeks later they called and had one for me, regrettably i paid full retail plus tax. retiring in Sept so it is my retirement gift ,i love it.....
It's a good watch, and a good Rolex pick-up. Enjoy it.
I also have the blue bezel White Gold Sub, the so called BlueBerry. She’s a beautiful model, but heavy and needs to be fitted properly to not have it move around and feel uncomfortable.
The Blueberry was my second purchase at my local AD, a milestone celebration piece.
Congratulations on the piece and wear and enjoy her in good health.
I was offered the Blue Bezel White Gold Sub recently while picking up my Explorer 36. They brought it out from "the back". I was BLOWN AWAY by how stunning it looked under the AD lights. I had to do a double-take, it looked amazing in person, better than pictures. I just wasn't ready to drop that amount of cash at the time. But good pick-up!
I saw this piece on display for sale in Gothenburg, Sweden recently. It was stunning and so very heavy in a great way. I was so tempted but reluctant to deal with customs so I let it go....
@@Laguna2013 The grey market price on the White Gold Sub has fallen below retail, so that is why the ADs are offering it to more people. But it is still a great looking piece.
I recently did an exchange deal, my 'Smurf' Submariner for a black ceramic Daytona. That was the biggest mistake I ever made in my life and I regret it every day!
Interesting, although you certainly have an extensive purchase history that's for sure! I'm on the waitlist for one with a purchase history of a 124270 and 126200 so we'll see what happens!
I think my purchase history helped, but MORE than that, talking directly to the Owner of the store made it happen. The first salesperson had no authority to make the sale, and she told me it was not available, even though she must have known it was sitting in the back.
Only after talking to the Owner, he was able to release it to me.
Having connections really helps with getting in-demand pieces. I'm thinking this is mostly how people get the steel Daytona and steel Pepsi.
Purchasing an Explorer and Datejust will certainly help, but talking directly to the senior Manager/Owner will speed things up immensely.
FYI, I just bought a sub a month ago. They 100% come with the white hang tag. I would ask the AD where it’s at.
You are correct. My bad. The Rolex are Still supposed to come with the white hang tag, (but not stickers or coffin.)
I just picked up a No Date Sub at an AD. Couldn't be happier about the experience or the watch.
Love to hear the feedback. My buying experience was 'different'. Very efficient, in and out. Good, but then again not much of any prolonged chit-chat...
The watch is superb. Excellent watch.
I was at my Rolex AD yesterday. They had 2 women’s watches that had very small faces and were in the $40,000 range. Congratulations. The AD doesn’t want to lose you as a customer, since you won’t be buying any Pateks there. Why would Rolex have to reward an AD? The AD sells every watch.
Good point, I can’t argue with that. I suppose the Daytona is meant to reward the longtime customer.
@@sc1 What angers me is there are pages full of Daytonas on the Grey market. Somebody is getting these watches. I have a 30 year relationship with my Rolex AD. I went to buy a watch for my wife. Despite our relationship, he wanted a $5,000 deposit and promised me the watch in a month. 6 months pass, no watch. I took my deposit back. I bought her another watch, for a ridiculous amount of money, from another store, that wanted my business. After 14 months the original AD calls and has the watch. I told him no. I actually felt guilty, because I might want something in the future.
@@rickjason215 There must be some way to track down where these Daytonas are coming from. For instance, I heard Rolex is buying these watches from the grey dealer site and checking the serial number to find out which flipper it was sold to. especially the "new with stickers" Daytonas. I hope it's true and they are doing that.
btw, you should still be able to go back to your AD if you want something else later. they can't blacklist you for saying no to an offer of a watch.
@sc1 I was glad to see your AD wanted to keep you happy. He could have sold that watch in a minute to anyone. I am sure Rolex could stop the grey market in a month. I found it distasteful that the AD made me put up a deposit. I bought watches from them when they were discounting them. No loyalty.
Of course here in Europe Rolex has or is purchasing Bucherer which is a very posh high end watch and jewellery retail group. I went into their store in Paris to try and order/get a Submariner date green bezel. They had already called me and invited me to visit them so I was welcomed by a lovely lady who smiled lots and kept thanking me for choosing Bucherer to buy my Rolex from. She showed me several watches and I tried on the one I would like to buy. She assured me they would be able to obtain one for me in due course. That was in September this year and so far I have heard nothing. Not sure I expected anything this side of Christmas but we live in hope.
If she seemed genuine, then it may still be possible within the next 6-12 months. But I would recommend revisiting them before that, to re-express your interest.
I recently purchased my 124060 from the AD (Late April 2024). Mine came with the full Warranty Booklet.
Congrats! The graduation from Rolex to Patek is natural but I think many fall back to Rolex eventually as you cannot beat the quality and overall usability for the price. Still I also plan to graduate to Patek one day soon!
Well said. It looks like I am in the graduation phase.
it is very easy to get better quality and usability for rolex price. you just don’t get a rolex logo.
Wish I had those problems. Lol
I have a Submariner from 2001 amazed how much the value of thesse things have gone up over the years
This time next year 90% of Rolex references will be offered at 10-15% OFF MSRP.
Possible. It's hard to see into the future.
Wow congrats! Went for a Patek and got a Submariner as a consolation prize. Not bad! Shame about the PAtek though.
I think he felt sorry that I came in for a Patek. Gave me the extra push to get the Rolex.
Great purchase! I think the new Sub is just perfect in proportions. I bought the Starbucks 4 months ago and simply love to wear it.
Have fun with your new Sub!! 🥰
Awesome! Thank you! The Sub is classic, and I like the black bezel on black dial!
Same here! I have a relationship with an AD and got a Rolex. They also sold Patek. My goal was to collect various time pieces Rolex + Patek. However, in February of this year, their Patek account was closed as well. Unfortunate, but I still have a great relationship with them.
That's a good coincidence. I had a one prior Patek purchase, and was trying to get a second Patek. But no prior Rolex purchase. I was sorry to see the loss of future Patek from here, but I was then able to look for another Patek AD.
The only other Patek dealer is also associated with Rolex in the main part of the city. However, I have had not so great experiences with them. Twice, the associates I worked with left and was not informed. Very dry interactions. Was your Patek purchase because you had other purchases with them? I did notice their associates on the Patek side were a bit more warm than those on the Rolex side.@@sc1
With my First Original Patek Purchase, I had no prior purchase history. I explained that this is the closest Patek AD to me and I would like to start a Patek collection. I dealt Directly with the Owner of the store. The other sales associates were not authorized to deal with Patek sales. (Even on the Rolex side, the sales associates are not authorized to reveal what stock they have "in the back")
I was lucky that he had a Patek 5205G on display and he agreed to sell it to me. That is why I always recommend to speak with the o\Owner or the most Senior sales manager.
The junior sales people will not be able to help you, unless they later get permission from management.
With my Second Patek Purchase at my Next AD, I also did not have any purchase history. But I came in wearing a Rolex. I dealt directly with the Assistant Manager and he agreed to sell me something else they had on display... My video on this is coming up.
Congrats on your new Sub and I love the no date I think it just looks cleaner. Also thanks for all the great info I didn't know Rolex sales slowed down in the summer.
Thanks for the sub!
The PP purchase request is an important caveat, since the value of that purchase. But, as an apology, since he is no longer a PP AD, here's a Rolex. So, people ought not infer from your experience that Rolex sports models are available to anyone. I just conducted a three-watch trade for a 2023 126660, so I have no complaints about the AD drama that persist to this day.
Some of the content is made to attract more views. But yes, I had a prior Patek purchase.
That's a beautiful watch. I prefer the date version, but no taking away from the watch you purchased, stunning.
All good. I have the date version 16610, which wears smaller, but I think the 124060 complements it well, with a cleaner dial, and beefier case.
@sc1 I would love one of the 126610LN. I can get one, but very, very expensive
I’ve heard some people not getting the white hang tag, however I did get mine.
AD’s holding back bits to make it harder to re-sell?
That matches what my AD (in Germany) told me last week: The situation with the black Submariners - date and no date - is easing. There is little to no waiting time at the moment.
!!!! thats big news. Austria too?
I heard on that the Subs were now 8-12 weeks waiting time (but I didn't dare hope for
@shuiguigmt890, where have you been? haven't seen you comment for a while, I have my NYC videos coming up next week.
That's how I got my Mazda at the Lamborghini dealer!
@@sc1 I never left!! Been following all your videos! 😀😀 Your travel videos are the best, although I can imagine they take up a lot of your time to make, so please don't feel pressured to sacrifice too much of your vacation/work time. Rest assured that all of your content is great and really appreciated!! On topic: I was considering getting a submariner like yours, but it does sort of clash with my black dial explorer ii which looks and wears sort of different (though I admit the big plus point of the sub is the smaller size compared to the explorer ii). I've actually been wearing a Breitling diver (Superocean Heritage II) all summer as a beater watch and I loved it - actually got more compliments than a Rolex! But its a big watch, a bit like a SD43 actually, and I struggle to fit it under a shirt and jumper.
Nothing new. You are a very good client with that Patek you bought from him.
Nice. I just got the lefty. 11 months waiting and got the call. My first Rolex. I am left handed. Enjoy the Sub.
Good job. Great find. Maybe supply is opening up
Nice! Congrats! I was able to purchase the 124060 in January of this year. Classic watch.
Instant classic
You got it because you're an existing good customer. He's doing you a solid. As far as I'm aware, this is the way they operate.
It’s so strange that these dealers have this control over a watch brand. . Somehow the AD dealers had no Rolex but the grey market is with a healthy stock . It’s obvious that the AD dealers were selling the watches for bigger profits .
I went into my Omega AD, and asked about buying a watch. He said they didn't have any watches, and I ended up buying a kind of plastic copy of an Omega. It was brightly coloured, and some of the colour liked me so much, it left the watch, and stayed on my wrist. As I was talking to the AD, my plastic Omega broke, so I informed the assistant, and he said that mine had lasted 20 minutes before breaking, which was a record for his dealership. The assistant said he would put me on the list, for one of the Omega watches, made of metal. It's like a parallel Universe!!!
Bizarro World of Watches.,, but is is something similar to the real world that exists.
Hey @sc1 - I have an AirKing 126900 dated Jan 16 2023 with the old style warranty booklet, and a new Explorer 224270 dated July 22 2023 with the new booklet/QR code.
That narrows it down. My Explorer 36 dated Feb 13 2023 had the old style service booklet. They must have switched it between 2/13/2023 and 7/22/2023. Thanks.
Umm yes they do. You should of gotten your white hang tag. That has your serial number and the exact reference number on it. That's considered a part of the full set. As of a week ago our ADs are giving the white hang tags out with purchases at least.
And that last few days with the Bucherer purchase they are going to have their own ADs.
The blue white gold sub trades below retail on the grey. I was offered one by the AD at the airport. These are not that hard to get
I turned down the white gold sub from my other AD, but picked up this Steel Sub instead.
Yes. Its common for vips. And yes theres plenty in the back.
I'm convinced there are desirable pieces sitting in the back.
I don't quite consider myself a VIP. Maybe just lucky to be there at the right time.
Congrats! I’ve heard a few stories like these in the last few weeks. I know someone who is a secondary dealer and said they are now buying Submariners at retail which hopefully weeds the flippers off since there’s no profit. I also heard Patek is closing more doors which is really unfortunate. There’s only one Patek AD in my state. Best of luck on your journey and enjoy the Sub!
I have heard the Rolex stories too. Submariner supply coming in. It might be due to the lower seasonal demand in summer, combined with the recent price increases, which deters the flippers because of lower margins. It Could change during the Christmas season if demand picks up. But I'll enjoy my Sub right now,
I did not hear about the Patek consolidation until now, so it was a shock to me. Bad news for me, but I'm looking for a new Patek AD.
@@sc1 Best of luck! Cheers!
@@sc1e d
In time, their greed will get tge better of them, and inventory will be up to where they cannot even back door it to greys. Then we can laugh at them. What a system.
the stars were aligned just right for you SC - life is all about timing - yours was great . ~ JDS/CT
Thanks, I got lucky that he had kept this particular one "in the back" over the weekend, but it never would have happened without my prior (Patek) purchase history.
Amazing what these cost now... I got mine several years ago for $2500.... I should have bought 10 of them
I like no date subs. But they are easier to get especially if your dealer already knows you’ll spend money.
Personally this is how the rolex offers should go down, get some interest from yopu, your clearly a collector and then offer you it... done deal really nice to hear! Shame about the Patek AD relationship having to be restarted! good luck with your collection!
Thanks!
Picked up my 124060 on grey market, ADs here are a joke. It is a phenomenal watch, a work of minimalistic art, the one watch that elevates my collection
Congrats! but you didn't get that Sub from talking to the owner/most senior sales rep.. you got it because you've spent buckets of money with that AD.
Thanks. I’m enjoying wearing it.
Mostly true. But if I would have stopped asking after the junior Sales Associate, I would never have gotten the Sub (she was not aware of my purchase history, and told me nothing was available).
Only after waiting 10 (long) minutes to speak with the owner, was I offered the Submariner from the back.
I needed my bucket purchase history AND talking to the owner. Both.
The title should be… I have a MASSIVE purchase history and normally deal in Patek but had to make do with a Rolex. You was scammed mated, that shop had big windows
I bought a couple of watches that I liked at my AD. Next visit I asked for a Sub and walked out with one on my wrist. That is the current game. If you have a history at your AD, you’ll be surprised about how many desired Rolex models he has hidden somewhere.
Thanks for the stream. Did your Rolex 124060 you purchased bought new 2023 with box and papers and what was the price ? Thxs
yes, price was $9100 new with box and papers, except no white hangtag.
@@sc1 thanks.
People need to realise that it ISN'T ROLEX who decides who buys their watches - it's the individual dealerships. There is a huge shortage of supply for Rolex watches but the dealerships reserve what they get for their best customer's and "reward" them.with first choice on what comes in. There is no "list" or Rolex purchase history necessary. If you've bought a tonne of jewellery from the dealership or a bunch of other non Rolex watches, chances are if you want a Rolex model they'll either give you one they have "in the back" or the next one they get in from Rolex.
true
Congratulations, great watch. Now you can wear your Patek when you visit new ADs and just explain that your old AD has lost their Patek AD status. Rolex will come out with new models so you will probably want to buy more in the future.
Good point! Two-edged sword. I totally lost my established purchase history with my original Patek AD, but now I felt free to wear my 5205G to the new Patek AD and explained that my previous AD has gone. I hope they will take me on as a new client.
It will keep Rolex open, but it will take a very special new release. I should focus on Patek.
I wore my 5205 to a new Patek AD in New Jersey. He kept pressing me on where I got it, so I eventually was obliged to tell him I got it elsewhere in New Jersey, and they are losing their license. I am not sure if disclosing this information is helpful to me or not.
I am sure it helps a lot. It shows your interest in the brand and that you have the financial resources to be a faithful customer! Keep us informed. By the way, congratulations to the success of this video! Amazing amount of views and comments!
@@gregsaga682 Thanks, I'm not sure why this video popped so well. It wasn't even my best production quality.
I have some news on the Patek front and I need your opinion privately. Do you mind sending me your email address to sconytchannel@gmail.com
@@sc1 I tried to send you an email but it bounce back with the message that the email address didn't exist or couldn't receive the email. Correct email address?
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Looks great on your wrist.
No date for sure.
My grail.
Thanks for watching!
The Patek looks better on you. Rolex looks chunky
I bought a rolex day just for my wife 2 years ago at the AD and we went back to put my name on the list for the Sub, problem is we met the junior sales associate. Do you think I have a chance?
Better to go back and ask to also meet the senior manager if possible. So they know your face. And to make sure they did not forget about you. I think my AD forgot that I wanted an Explorer for a long time (2 years!)
You lucky! I’m been waiting for 1year 1/2 still waiting.
I mean, you have a Patek purchase history. So there’s that. My purchase history with my AD is for my wife’s Cartier. So I don’t think I’ll be getting the same deal.
Big congrats SC! From my recent experience and after hearing your story, I think the Rolex supply (demand) is definitely up (down)!
Your video re-ignited my lust for the Submariner. (No-date, in my case). It's a great watch, so classic.
Glad you and I could both take advantage of the supply/demand at the current moment!
Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane, both pieces.
That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Majordomo of the AD, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a descendant of Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke.
There is very little detail discussed about the movement, in house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD?
With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw.
So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get much more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology.
Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane.
That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Major Dumo, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke.
There is very little detail discussed about the movement, house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD?
With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw. So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology.
Some of your points in your post are informative. However (and it has nothing to do with your privileged financial position), your choices have absolutely little to no appeal to me whatsoever. How mundane.
That aside, go ahead and seek out ADs and work your way up to seeking out the Major Dumo, so you feel like you're getting to have a fantasy chat with a Whilsdorf or Davis (one of my) family relatives, for a supreme ego stroke.
There is very little detail discussed about the movement, house changes, etc., only about style, size, and comfort. Surely you must do a little research before taking a casual stroll into a Patek or Rolex AD?
With puerile impressionability alone, one would suspect I'm just curious. Are you a diver at all? p.s. Your photography sucks btw. So I suggest you buy a Swatch Omega Constellation. You'll get more interesting conversations and way more attention. about your horological fascinations, decadent expenses with your Rolex and Patek collections, and tantalizing expertise on horology.
Marketing strategy
"How did this happen? Well, I'm bloody rich."
Bleeding out money.
Maybe go back and ask them how happy they are with Bucherer purchase!
Congrats on your Sub. Awesome story. I also didnt wait long for my Sub Date last year. My AD promised in October that he would get me one before the price hike January 1st. So i got mine in December.
Congrats, That is awesome!
Congratulation 🎉
I would be interested in how the difference is to the 114060 for you? you sold this watch because it was too big for you... is the 124060 better to wear now, even though it is theoretically larger?
The lugs and lug width make the difference. The 114060 had chunky lugs and a 20mm width. The 124060 now has narrower streamlined lugs with a 21mm width. It makes the bracelet flow/ integrate better with the case.
In my next life I hope to be a Rolex AD.
Great collection! I hope to one day have at least one of these watches. If you don't mind me asking what do you do for work to afford such incredible watches? Loved the vid, thanks!
I work in healthcare. Great screen name. Patek is the ultimate piece for a wrist watch.
I was offered white gold sub today in Chicago on magnificent mile
are you taking it?
This has been on my watch list from the beginning pretty much, will probably be my fist Rolex, or the older two liner which is clean.
This is the whole issue with Rolex and why people don’t like them anymore. They need to get rid of AD’s before their brand is damaged any further.
No date looks less expensive.
When I see Rootbeers at retail I’ll believe it
But you were already their customer with several prior purchases and you already own a Sub so selling to you was a good/easy decision for them. If you hadn't had several prior purchases from them (even non Rolex) I wonder if you would have got it from what I hear. Good for you though, enjoy!
I am a NEW customer, since January 2023. I only purchased ONE watch from him, the Patek Philippe 5205G. Nothing else, no jewelry. My older Sub Date (pre-ceramic) was purchased from a different AD in another state, eight years ago. I tried to explain this in my video.
I am very sure that I would NOT have gotten this new Submariner, if I did not have a prior purchase of a Patek Philippe from this store. He might have showed some sympathy because no more Patek was available, But that is what it happened, and I am happy to enjoy my new Rolex Submariner!
AD's...i assume you checked the Rolex and Patek websites FIRST to see if the shop was listed as an AD?? :)
Yes, but they had not changed the website yet. The Patek section was still open in the store with a few display pieces, but no more new Patek pieces would be coming in.
Congrats on the purchase, yea your Rolex collection is more than complete you need no more for now. Hope you nail a solid Patek AD to have your new journey on Patek pieces. It’ll be a very interesting channel once your collection grows in that route 🤞🏽
Patek is a very difficult nut to crack. Much more so than Rolex.
I just got some exciting news this morning about my next Patek! I still need to make a final decision, then I will reveal it.
@@sc1 Nice! Hope to see those macro lens close ups on whatever you’re getting soon!
@@sc1get it! Patek is so so difficult and special. It's a completely different level to Rolex.
Thank you brother. Great video/dialogue.
Much appreciated dude. Thanks for viewing.
I visited my Local AD two years ago and I am still waiting 😂
I hope you get it.
You mentioned that if the dealer does “better than expected” they will be rewarded with a steal Daytona. How does that work when virtually every dealer sells every Rolex they are sent by the factory. How could they possibly do any better?
Yeah, some one else commented on this. I can't explain it, but that's what he said. I suppose if they can sell out even faster than every other AD in the state, then they will get more allocation from the Rolex.
Thank you for the additional information, I knew some from experience but not as detailed 👍
No problem 👍
Congratulations! But how can a Daytona allocation be an AD incentive if every model is continuously sold out? 🤷🏼♂️Supply determines sales, not the sales efforts of the AD in case of shortage.
it's what they told me, but you are correct. doesn't make sense. That AD already has more clients than they know what to do with. makes more sense that the Daytona is a reward incentive to the end- customer to remain loyal and long-term.
I am stuck between my next rolex. I have a 2006 Pepsi and a 2023 Sub Bluesy. Having a hard time committing to a daily black diver. Submariner or SD43? You're videos make it hard to choose, lol
The SD43 has a much thicker case, but I like its bezel better: graduated marking all around, and an even better clicky bezel action sound than the Sub. But unless you have a 7.5 inch wrist, stick with the Submariner. A cleaner dial, better fit for my small wrist, still has Glide Lock, and cheaper if gotten from the AD!
@sc1 thank you, I agree. I wish the SD43 had the subs gloss black dial. I have a 7.5 wrist so I'm leaning SD43. Thanks again!
The new comparison video is perfect....really needed that as I struggle and keep going back and forth between the two. Although I think the realistic outcome will be both, lol. Thanks again!
@@MrJRD51 Hopefully you have gotten the chance to try on the SD43 in person. Let me know what happens!
Of course you can buy a sub if you ask for a pattek next. What watch were you wearing at the ID?
Wore my Patek 5205G to show that I still have it, and still enjoying it.
@@sc1 very nice! Of course he sells you a sub that easy wearing a pattek though😉
It was a consolation prize. He felt bad that he could never offer me any more Patek.
Nice pickup.
Thanks!
Congratulations! That is one beautiful watch!
Wonderful Piece ..Enjoy
and thats the balance back to the market.
I thought you were going to say 'this brings balance back to the Force'
Congratulations 🥳
Thank you!!
Of course the AD is going to allow the sale of a Rolex w/o being wait listed to a Patek guy. But how many of us are Patek people?
Nice information, the no-date sub looks so amazing! What do you think of the green sub (Starbucks)?
I have never asked to the green sub. I mean, it's a Sub so it looks great, but I never got into the green color. I understand why it's popular, but I just prefer the classic black bezel.
Congratulations man!!
btw what's your wrist size?
6.5 inches
@@sc1 Mine too. I just got the same Sub about two weeks ago. You mentioned considering removing another link, but I think it will throw off the balance of the clasp on the backside of your wrist.
@@tricky92x I'm ok right now with just 2 links removed. But the Glide-Lock is almost totally closed, so I don't have the option to tighten further, unless I remove another link. I will just need to wear it for a few more days before I decide about the links.
@@sc1 I've been hovering towards the tightest settings on the glide-lock as well. It seems to fit me best with one notch visible. If you do decide to remove a link, please reply on here and let me know what you think. Thanks!
Today we know, Rolex bought the Biggest AD „Bucherer“.
I'm on the list for a Submariner No Date. But I'm not getting my hopes up
go in every 3 months to remind them you are still interested
Thanks for the video. Actually, I want to buy the submariner no date but I wonder whether black dial looks good and has good resale value? What do you say?
Absolutely. black dial looks great. Classic. Decent resale, but not great. Don’t depend on make a profit on it, just enjoy it.
Been on a list for a year to get that watch, congrats..
I hope you get it soon!
Congratulations 🎉
thanks!
Where is the date & magnifying lenses ?
didn't want them. this is the no-date model
What dealer in Jersey was it in Wyckoff?
yes
@@sc1 thanks
Notjhing unusual about this. You are an existing PATEK client. Without argument, Patek is a more exclusive brand vs Rolex. So if you've already established a relationship as a Patek client, it's a no-brainer to sell you a Ref 124060.
That Patek is my holy grail!!!
I was lucky to stumble upon it.