OK woah but why is this way too relatable. Basically me. Like struggling with me gayness, I became much more religious much more constant prayer and mosque time. The constant asking questions and not getting the proper answers. All the things you describe, wow okay.
+Arshad Abrahams this is very interesting indeed! I guess it doesn't happen only in Christianity but Islam too. ☺️ so how's things now? Do you still struggle?
You know, I definitely do at times and I do find that I'm not as religiously practising as before, especially you know the whole, why bother doing certain things if I'm just going to kiss a boy again or something like that. But the thing is, I've grown to enjoy my religion, it's sort of just one of the anchors especially when campus gets a bit too real. The way I was raised and the role models I had in Islam was that always treated people justly, respected them regardless of their beliefs, so I never grew up with this whole thing where religion makes you discriminate and I guess for that reason, I don't view my faith and my sexuality as mutually exclusive. I'm just a boy, muslim, who is also gay.
God adores you regardless race, gender identity , wealth group, and sexual orientation. God's love is very powerful. Some churches are welcoming, some churches aren't.
I also am gay and Christian and have been fighting the same struggle you are going through and it is very tough. But over the last 58 years I have gained enough strength to endure anything and love people and cherish my gayness and my Christianity. Keep up up your faith.
Huge hugs Jason. To quote my hero: " Whenever you have to choose between being right and being kind, always choose being kind." HRH Harry Styles - aged 16
Thank you so much, Jason, for sharing this journey and chapter with your viewers. You have covered a deeply personal issue with grace and sensitivity, and I would wager you have also done so with forgiveness. Please keep speaking out, and from your heart. Even though the perception may be nowadays that, in general, being gay is less difficult than in decades past, it is still challenging and ongoing. Being gay is not easy, and being gay and Christian is even less so! At 64, I’m still trying to figure it all out. You found something that works for you, and that is what matters. Young people like you give me hope for the future of mankind.
This was a very thoughtful and transparent video. I thank you for posting it. I’m a committed Christian who was raised with very conservative teachings so I fully identify with what you experienced. Of course, though we share similar stories, there are differences in our journey. But there is one thing you shared that I was intrigued by, your positive experience with meditation. For many years I have practiced as core to my spiritual life, Centering prayer, which is rooted Christian mystical contemplation. It put me on my transformative path. So thank you. I know you posted this 3 years ago so I pray you are continuing to thrive in the joy of being you.
Awwwww I'm so glad you shared this with us :D Much love! I grew up in a Christian environment too. Agonized for many years before accepting myself as gay in college. I was very involved in church during and after college, but a series of bad experiences made me question the logic in Christianity. Eventually, I stopped going to church and stopped identifying as Christian. For a while, I decided to believe in Love as god/a spiritual force. But now, I'm an atheist/humanist.
Any Christian who uses the Bible as a weapon is not a true Christian. A lot of what they taught you is true but then they took a sh*t on you by telling you lies about Jesus. I believe the unease you felt -was- the the Holy Spirit telling you something was not right. So many people uses tongues to show you how pious they are. Don't let their hypocrisy turn you from Jesus. Leave them but not Jesus.
+Mongrel Life unfortunately, the damage has already happened and in a weird way...I am happy about this. I do believe that people need to take a step back and re-evaluate what it is they are practicing and whether it makes sense or not. It's such a complex situation 😑 but, thank you for your kind words ❤️
Your spiritual story is very good. Keep learning and questioning! Thanks for sharing your story I would like to hear about what you believe now about your spiritual beliefs!!
I've seen your channel before, but this was the video that finally prompted me to subscribe. These kinds of honest and serious conversations will do much more good than the others. I enjoy the others, but these kinds of discussions are really missing from much of the LGBT TH-cam world. Thanks for sharing, and best wishes going forward.
Always just be yourself trying to not be your own person will always bring pain and disappointment. Stay yourself and love yourself and only then can you love others where they are.
WOW Jason, what a story! i had a very similar experience where i was a christian and i knew i was gay and it was not allowed they forced me in to baptism which i rejected i am who i am and i will go else where where i will be accepted and i never steeped back into a church as i felt as i was not welcome but coming out being proud has made me a better person, sop much so i have started to talk about my Gay experiences on my Chanel like you as it hopefully will help others in our situations. and also Welcome back to you tube missed you :)
+Jamie MagiKal I'll have to watch your Channel then! ☺️ Yeah, it's a terrible situation that more and more an LGBT+ suffers under these circumstances from any religion! I'm glad to be back 😁 thank you
lol I remember these feelings about speaking in tongues so well... I tried and tried and got more and more freaked out that it wasn't happening... then a youth leader told me to be careful because "there is a counterfeit gift of tongues that comes from the devil".... so now I was freaked out AND terrified! Same story with the gay thing too... well done for putting yourself out there with these stories ✌🏻
Hi Jason, my experience with religion and as LGBT+ person are luckily for me stories that happened in separate periodes of my life. Otherwise I think it would've been even more complicated and conflicting for me to figure out my sexuality and my gender when it came to it. But I really relate to your experience with speaking in tongues. I came to church at 17 and chosed russian orthodox church to be baptised to. I was in quite liberal parish, so I've never heard any shaming towards LGBT+ people while I went there. In the beginning I was eager to learn more and I went to missionary school, my friends went there and it was a place with a lot of cool people. At some point we went to a retreat with that school and one of the evening prayers was set to be speaking in tonges experience. Which is really not russian orthodox vibe but our missionary school was liberal and our teachers had friends in many different catholic and protestant communities in Europe. So they would speak in tongues but I never could completely believe that it was real or speak them. I maybe faked it, I don't remember that well all the details. And I felt like I wasn't spritual enough, wasn't believing enough. It wasn't though a breaking point for me. Later I moved to another country, I had no more access to a russian orthodox parish, it felt a bit like cheating to go to a cathloic parish and anyway I never found the same sense of community as in my first parish, I kind of felt out of practice over the years. Couple years ago I started to read a lot about mental health, psychology and started going to therapy and for me this was the breaking point when I questionned my faith and I realized that it doesn't make sense for me anymore. Because what my religion taught me I should do and be and how I should behave wasn't what psychology considered healthy. I picked my mental health over my faith, because my mental health was way more real for me in consequences. I don't regret going through all of that experience with religion. I still like some parts of it, more like a cultural thing or a tradition. And I've learned a lot from being on different sides of it and from making my own decision both times about it. (I'm really sorry for such a long text)
Thank you for your honesty, Jason. I didn't come out to later in life. I finally discovered that there were credible alternative interpretations to the "traditional clobber passages that they use against homosexuals" in scripture and the basic premise that God does not condemn the nature of homosexuality or acting on it, but its abuse. Like you, I had to be honest and finally reject all this other crap. However, I tried to maintain my faith through it all and finally wound up in an affirming church. I'm not surprised that gays don't want to go to church, and equally surprised by how many do. All's I want to say is God bless you Jason, and whether you ever wind up again with an affiriming Christianity or not, I know God is watching over you and will take care of you for the rest of your life.
Hi I did'nt choose to have same sexe attraction and I did'nt choose to have these feelings the church said have to be celebate that part it's difficult for me I can't fallen in love and I'm not straight
I don't believe in Christianity because of this idea that people of all other religions are going to hell because they didn't accept Jesus. So the best predictor of someone's fate, heaven or hell, is geography. I just don't buy it. Of course that doesn't prove there's not a God. I tend to think we all pray to the same God, no matter which religion we're in.
+Patrick MC that's one of the massive questions that I would also ask! Geography defines the relationship between that group of people and their religion...so it makes no sense. I also at one point believed that they pray to the same God, and they call it the name in their language. ☺️ now I'm still confused but still searching
:) You might try reading "The Varieties of Religious Experience" - a very old book by William James. Kinda tough reading though because it's so old and a bit "scholarly" lol. Was for me anyway.
I think what you now believe can be summed up in two eternal shaking statements, “Every knee WILL bow, and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”, and for millions across the ages, that will be followed by, “Depart from me, I never knew you” understand that GOD is serious about sin, and He Never Changes ...
+WondrousFlyer20 no...I think Pinksters is like a day/festival in the Netherlands...the church's I'm talking about is 'happy clappy' which would be like evangelical churches.
OK woah but why is this way too relatable. Basically me. Like struggling with me gayness, I became much more religious much more constant prayer and mosque time. The constant asking questions and not getting the proper answers. All the things you describe, wow okay.
+Arshad Abrahams this is very interesting indeed! I guess it doesn't happen only in Christianity but Islam too. ☺️ so how's things now? Do you still struggle?
You know, I definitely do at times and I do find that I'm not as religiously practising as before, especially you know the whole, why bother doing certain things if I'm just going to kiss a boy again or something like that. But the thing is, I've grown to enjoy my religion, it's sort of just one of the anchors especially when campus gets a bit too real. The way I was raised and the role models I had in Islam was that always treated people justly, respected them regardless of their beliefs, so I never grew up with this whole thing where religion makes you discriminate and I guess for that reason, I don't view my faith and my sexuality as mutually exclusive. I'm just a boy, muslim, who is also gay.
I love when people see the beauty of diversity and respect the opinion of others. I believe that kindness is the key to a better future.
+Dencel Blue can't agree with you more ☺️
God adores you regardless race, gender identity , wealth group, and sexual orientation. God's love is very powerful. Some churches are welcoming, some churches aren't.
I also am gay and Christian and have been fighting the same struggle you are going through and it is very tough. But over the last 58 years I have gained enough strength to endure anything and love people and cherish my gayness and my Christianity. Keep up up your faith.
Huge hugs Jason. To quote my hero: " Whenever you have to choose between being right and being kind, always choose being kind." HRH Harry Styles - aged 16
Thank you so much, Jason, for sharing this journey and chapter with your viewers. You have covered a deeply personal issue with grace and sensitivity, and I would wager you have also done so with forgiveness. Please keep speaking out, and from your heart. Even though the perception may be nowadays that, in general, being gay is less difficult than in decades past, it is still challenging and ongoing. Being gay is not easy, and being gay and Christian is even less so! At 64, I’m still trying to figure it all out. You found something that works for you, and that is what matters. Young people like you give me hope for the future of mankind.
This was a very thoughtful and transparent video. I thank you for posting it. I’m a committed Christian who was raised with very conservative teachings so I fully identify with what you experienced. Of course, though we share similar stories, there are differences in our journey. But there is one thing you shared that I was intrigued by, your positive experience with meditation. For many years I have practiced as core to my spiritual life, Centering prayer, which is rooted Christian mystical contemplation. It put me on my transformative path. So thank you. I know you posted this 3 years ago so I pray you are continuing to thrive in the joy of being you.
Awwwww I'm so glad you shared this with us :D Much love!
I grew up in a Christian environment too. Agonized for many years before accepting myself as gay in college. I was very involved in church during and after college, but a series of bad experiences made me question the logic in Christianity. Eventually, I stopped going to church and stopped identifying as Christian. For a while, I decided to believe in Love as god/a spiritual force. But now, I'm an atheist/humanist.
+Ben Y. Love always wins ❤️ I know what you mean! I need to do more research regarding atheism vs agnosticism 😜
Any Christian who uses the Bible as a weapon is not a true Christian. A lot of what they taught you is true but then they took a sh*t on you by telling you lies about Jesus. I believe the unease you felt -was- the the Holy Spirit telling you something was not right. So many people uses tongues to show you how pious they are. Don't let their hypocrisy turn you from Jesus. Leave them but not Jesus.
+Mongrel Life unfortunately, the damage has already happened and in a weird way...I am happy about this. I do believe that people need to take a step back and re-evaluate what it is they are practicing and whether it makes sense or not. It's such a complex situation 😑 but, thank you for your kind words ❤️
Your spiritual story is very good. Keep learning and questioning! Thanks for sharing your story I would like to hear about what you believe now about your spiritual beliefs!!
I've seen your channel before, but this was the video that finally prompted me to subscribe. These kinds of honest and serious conversations will do much more good than the others. I enjoy the others, but these kinds of discussions are really missing from much of the LGBT TH-cam world. Thanks for sharing, and best wishes going forward.
Jason: "Try to film this as quick as I can"
Also Jason: 14-minute video.
This is good.
+Arshad Abrahams hahaha I know! My battery was red...but still filmed for 18 minutes 😂😂😂
I agree so much with what you're saying. Doing a service to others. Much love and happiness to you my friend.
Jason keep marching on for Jesus don't let others get you done. Rise shine my bro. Let your light shine.
As an openly gay christian pastor's son I can relate to your journey completely. Thank you for this & for your vulnerability.
I love you my darling.
Always have and always will.
Thank you for this video.
Missing you terribly!
+Monique Naude ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ miss you so so much! Love you lots 😘 love to Ed en die familie ❤️
Always just be yourself trying to not be your own person will always bring pain and disappointment. Stay yourself and love yourself and only then can you love others where they are.
Jason. I have nothing I can add. You said it beautifully . . . Thank you. 💝
+Norman Cross ❤️
WOW Jason, what a story! i had a very similar experience where i was a christian and i knew i was gay and it was not allowed they forced me in to baptism which i rejected i am who i am and i will go else where where i will be accepted and i never steeped back into a church as i felt as i was not welcome but coming out being proud has made me a better person, sop much so i have started to talk about my Gay experiences on my Chanel like you as it hopefully will help others in our situations.
and also Welcome back to you tube missed you :)
+Jamie MagiKal I'll have to watch your Channel then! ☺️ Yeah, it's a terrible situation that more and more an LGBT+ suffers under these circumstances from any religion! I'm glad to be back 😁 thank you
Thankyou :) Mabye you can give me some advice on how i can improve and gain some people who will enjoy my content :)
You are exactly correct. We all have to connect with our God in a personal Wayne kindness and love are always at the center.
Just be proud of who you are. LOVE IS LOVE. So, love one another and.....STOP THE HATE!!!!!
lol I remember these feelings about speaking in tongues so well... I tried and tried and got more and more freaked out that it wasn't happening... then a youth leader told me to be careful because "there is a counterfeit gift of tongues that comes from the devil".... so now I was freaked out AND terrified! Same story with the gay thing too... well done for putting yourself out there with these stories ✌🏻
Glad you're back uploading regularly again! :)
+Luis Elkes TV ☺️ thanks Luis 👍🏼 I see your channel is growing 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
+Luis Elkes TV ☺️ thanks Luis 👍🏼 I see your channel is growing 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
+Luis Elkes TV ☺️ thanks Luis 👍🏼 I see your channel is growing 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Hi Jason, my experience with religion and as LGBT+ person are luckily for me stories that happened in separate periodes of my life. Otherwise I think it would've been even more complicated and conflicting for me to figure out my sexuality and my gender when it came to it. But I really relate to your experience with speaking in tongues. I came to church at 17 and chosed russian orthodox church to be baptised to. I was in quite liberal parish, so I've never heard any shaming towards LGBT+ people while I went there. In the beginning I was eager to learn more and I went to missionary school, my friends went there and it was a place with a lot of cool people. At some point we went to a retreat with that school and one of the evening prayers was set to be speaking in tonges experience. Which is really not russian orthodox vibe but our missionary school was liberal and our teachers had friends in many different catholic and protestant communities in Europe. So they would speak in tongues but I never could completely believe that it was real or speak them. I maybe faked it, I don't remember that well all the details. And I felt like I wasn't spritual enough, wasn't believing enough. It wasn't though a breaking point for me. Later I moved to another country, I had no more access to a russian orthodox parish, it felt a bit like cheating to go to a cathloic parish and anyway I never found the same sense of community as in my first parish, I kind of felt out of practice over the years. Couple years ago I started to read a lot about mental health, psychology and started going to therapy and for me this was the breaking point when I questionned my faith and I realized that it doesn't make sense for me anymore. Because what my religion taught me I should do and be and how I should behave wasn't what psychology considered healthy. I picked my mental health over my faith, because my mental health was way more real for me in consequences. I don't regret going through all of that experience with religion. I still like some parts of it, more like a cultural thing or a tradition. And I've learned a lot from being on different sides of it and from making my own decision both times about it. (I'm really sorry for such a long text)
Thank you for your honesty, Jason. I didn't come out to later in life. I finally discovered that there were credible alternative interpretations to the "traditional clobber passages that they use against homosexuals" in scripture and the basic premise that God does not condemn the nature of homosexuality or acting on it, but its abuse. Like you, I had to be honest and finally reject all this other crap. However, I tried to maintain my faith through it all and finally wound up in an affirming church. I'm not surprised that gays don't want to go to church, and equally surprised by how many do. All's I want to say is God bless you Jason, and whether you ever wind up again with an affiriming Christianity or not, I know God is watching over you and will take care of you for the rest of your life.
Thanks for sharing this. You really can't go wrong with kindness.
Thanks for making this video! :)
Hi I did'nt choose to have same sexe attraction and I did'nt choose to have these feelings the church said have to be celebate that part it's difficult for me I can't fallen in love and I'm not straight
Speaking in tongues is not a standard so your journey will be taylored just for you and can not be compared to others journey.
great video!
like ur stache btw :)
+Zitronensindsauer hahaha thanks ☺️
I'm South African too
Thank you
my favorit youtuber :*
I have never seen so early before 😫
You are precious
I don't believe in Christianity because of this idea that people of all other religions are going to hell because they didn't accept Jesus. So the best predictor of someone's fate, heaven or hell, is geography. I just don't buy it. Of course that doesn't prove there's not a God. I tend to think we all pray to the same God, no matter which religion we're in.
+Patrick MC that's one of the massive questions that I would also ask! Geography defines the relationship between that group of people and their religion...so it makes no sense. I also at one point believed that they pray to the same God, and they call it the name in their language. ☺️ now I'm still confused but still searching
:) You might try reading "The Varieties of Religious Experience" - a very old book by William James. Kinda tough reading though because it's so old and a bit "scholarly" lol. Was for me anyway.
That's universalism...
I think what you now believe can be summed up in two eternal shaking statements,
“Every knee WILL bow, and every tongue WILL confess that Jesus Christ is Lord”, and for millions across the ages, that will be followed by, “Depart from me, I never knew you”
understand that GOD is serious about sin, and He Never Changes ...
are you South African
+Phelelisa Nelo yebo ☺️❤️🇿🇦
Jason Frazer which part I'm in cape town
+Phelelisa Nelo I'm a Jozi boy 😁 but I love Cape Town
Ok
do you mean those pinksters churches
+WondrousFlyer20 no...I think Pinksters is like a day/festival in the Netherlands...the church's I'm talking about is 'happy clappy' which would be like evangelical churches.
Pinksters are afrikaans Pentecostal
Dude regtig?
The fallout is you taking your flesh over GOD. Simple really.
Ur so cute omg ❤️❤️😂😂
+JohnAnthony 🤗☺️😘
There is reaasignment therapy! remember its a choice!