You can't put hiphop into one year or 5. Guy been spinning records since they were created. In the 50s and 60s. Guys been rapping since the 1800s. They put it all together in the mid 70s.
Just because a few Puerto Ricans hung with black people doesn’t mean they created hip hop with black people. No one is saying they wasn’t there but they didn’t create hip hop.
Salute 🫡 to the OG Crazy Legs He a Day One Str8 up and the narrative was Fugazi pumped up on some SUCKA shh 🤫 Mr Magic was on WHBI in what 79?? The Disco Showcase was one of the 1st shows to really play the early Hip Hop and he was Boricua y Moreno so please kill that noise. Our Taino fam was there and added they flavor to culture no doubt about it.
@@annur3432 first of all, we talking about the beginning 70-73 and the guys were talking about were already teenagers in the 70’s meaning they were born in the early 60’s or some late 50’s. Crazy legs was 10 in 76 and by that time black people had already stopped break dancing by that time and the Puerto Ricans ran with it- according to our elders in hip- hop. Nobody never said yall didn’t CONTRIBUTE to hip hop - we talking about the CREATORs of hip-hop. My uncles who were teenagers in the early 70’s said there were PR’s at Jams but majority was black, plus alot of PR- adults considered black music as Jungle Music and they had their own music they enjoyed and listened to. We love our PR brothas and sistas but to claim creation for what black people did is disrespectful at best, just like we would never claim any of their creations.Peace✅
The fact that Crazy Legs and them think Acknowledging the creators of Hip Hop is about separation, means they don't even understand what this conversation is about. Acknowledging Black people created Hip Hop DOES NOT mean Puerto Ricans and others ethnicities are hated or unappreciated. Everyone's contribution is important and respected. The conversation is about acknowledging Black people as the creators, it's not about segregation.
Non of it matters because u don't control what u created u know who does and they don't look like u. Now after all these years u want credit for what what is considered is pure trash from its original origins.uyeah u was the first so what no what. If u was in nyc then u know all others just have an opinion and everybody has one remember
no u missed the point the just say black people created hip hop is to discredit Latinos contribution to the creation. Charlie Chase from cold crush brothers is considered one of the founders of hip hop and hes Puerto Rican, the first hip hop photographer was from Puerto Rico. u tell me how are they not part of the creation of hip-hop?
you still don't get it Caribbean and African Americans created why is this so hard for you to understand stop calling hip-hop only black cause its not rather you acknowledge it or not
@@ScuderiaSkoot - Doctors and nurses were there to help care for the baby during pregnancy and immediately after it was born, that doesn't mean those doctors and nurses created the baby. And it doesn't mean the creators of the baby hate or devalue the doctors and nurses contributions to the baby's development. We are talking about *creation* not *cultivation.*
@@CHILDSANONYMOUSnobody cares look at Hip-Hop now this is embarrassing talk about now and what u are doing about Hip-Hop right now other than trying to cause a division. Again Nobody cares who created anything. We want to know why did u allow it to become what it is today if y don't control it now who cares what u started it's trash. When people were buy the tapes of the parties no body said I ant Buying this because we ant been given credit nobody cares but u and the fact that it's a topic 2day is comical. Tell me why did u allow what u created end up like it is now that's what we want to know
I am an FBA the reason it is hard for "foreigners" to give us props is, because there has always been a level of superiority with their mindset as a group. Hip Hop as a culture is so accessible to everyone across the world not just Jamaicans and Latinos they feel they own it too. Up until Microphone Check being released Jamaicans and Latinos really thought they helped create the culture. That is why Tariq Nasheed in particular is attacked so much is, because they wanted the fantasy of being a co-creator to be a reality. From every element of the culture there are no remnants of Latino or Caribbean culture within in. But, when you look at the predecessors of Hip Hop, James Brown, The Nicholas Brothers, Little Buck, Grandmaster Flowers, DJ Hollywood etc. all FBAs running through the cultures veins it is indisputable. Lineage is the key word and concept
Well said all these races cling on and hoodwinked people into believing blacks never created jazz rock rnb,blues,gospel,House,rap,country, black people created all those said genres but somehow white puerto ricans created it .
It's a difference between creating and contributing. Forget hip hop the real issue is how all non black folks want to take credit for damn near everything we do when it becomes publicly accepted....
And that's the problem. Hip Hop was created by young black American youth and they think because they spun on a box that they started hip-hop. I swear. They just like YT
The real issue should be who owns hip hop cause all this talk about creating it blacks still gotta go to the other for checks in hip hop Jimmy and Lyor
@MrWARBUCKS24 The streets own hip-hop. You don't have to go to YT. That's a choice. 2 Live Crew did it on their own. Jermaine Dupri did it on his own. You always have a choice. Don't be brainwashed in believing we need YT. Most people go to Lyor and Jimmy for bigger budgets.
@@804EBEATS But Puerto Ricans where there when Hip Hop wasnt accepted by the masses so that logic dont apply to Puerto Ricans, they are not trying to take credit after the fact they where there building the house alongside African Americans, I would argue that Puerto Ricans played a huge role on the elevation of the culture.
We not gonna act like this didn’t start with busta rhymes on drink champs. And then behind that fat joe 50/50. 50/50 is legal terms. That’s separation right there. And we can literally trace these videos back by the dates on TH-cam and verify what came first. Before that it was only yt people being guest was the only talk going on.
@cherokeebill1560 yes black Americans did not start this debate but Busta Rhymes was talkin out his A-hole and Fat Joe said blacks and Hispanics created it 50/50 so the people who know had to let the truth be known
I dont understand why they making this so difficult. There is no denial regarding the contributions of Puerto Ricans or West Indians into hip hop, but the creation was Black Americans. Kool Herc was a Jamaican but what music was he playing at these jams??? He was not playing reggae or salsa, he was playing popular music from black american culture, ie James Brown. It is just that simple.
@@elmascholo13Mario came before Herc, so did Flowers, Hollywood, PeteyJones, KoolDee, Tex is like Chase., they were put on By Caz & Mario…which means they were Participating in FBA CULTURE.
If you don't get lord jamar, tariq nasheed, or any of the elders that were in the documentary on to speak like you giving them a platform to speak then there's definitely an agenda being pushed
Living in the hood started hip hop that’s the essence of hip hop and whoever lives in the hood and projects at the time can be considered a part of hip hop Puerto Ricans are one the biggest of the not the biggest supporters of hip hop
@@URFAVTROLL WHAT?? Please don't embarrass yourself any further. I see your objective is DIVISION since you CLEARLY dont care enough to something as easy as google.
It is extremely important to acknowledge hip hop as Black Culture. Yes, Ricans were there from the onset, but hesitant to identify themselves as Black. This is why this discussion is even on the table. It does seem opportunistic for Ricans to claim originator status now in Hip Hop. Im Puerto Rican, but was born in the states... i know my ancestry and am in tune with my african roots. It took too long for Ricans as a whole to acknowledge they blackness. Ricans like myself understand whats going on here and we not offended at not having the monkier of originator.
Exactly, Latinos fought to identify as white and majority of Caribbeans/Africans don't identify as black and have the same rhetoric as racist white men. This Reparations conversation just didn't come about, they've been talking about reparations and how to go about giving them out, that's why this topic blew up over the last few months. This is what they're pushing with Kamala Harris, she's an anchor baby with immigrant parents who don't identify as black but they can use her to identify as black knowing most black people will vote for the closest thing to black!! They're replacing us with Caribbeans, Latinos and Africans like the U.K. is so that there won't even be a enough Foundational Black Americans left to even talk about reparations.
Your forgetting Taino, they were mixed with different sizzle feature, even hair si, if you have an opportunity to go to PR, take a tour in the history of PR, Go to the museum ask the locals about the Taino there.
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt I don't believe he'd ever argued African Americans were the only. I believe he'd pretty much explained it as African Americans being the main component, and all else being supporting/side components.
Nah. Hip Hop is a continuation of and a direct result of the Black African American cultural journey and story here in these United States. Simple. The Puerto Rican DJs that were there from the beginning (no question) were getting props and popularity from spinning American Disco records and James Brown/Funk breaks, not Bomba Plena from Puerto Rico. It's ok. This has nothing to do with whether Crazy Legs got African blood in his veins.
@@TonyMontana-mv9ez Nun Jamaican about hip hop dumb axx U can’t even name da Jamaican but I can tell u dis Rappers delight first hip hop song written by Sylvia Robinson a black woman
I’m half Puerto Rican. Respect to Legs and Thirstin Howl BUT… Most ‘full’ Puerto Ricans don’t acknowledge the “half” stuff UNLESS you are someone of notoriety, otherwise they could care less. And Puerto Ricans from the island feel a sense of superiority over those not born on the island. African Americans CREATED the culture that became known as Hip Hop and Puerto Ricans were the first inductees, that was never a debate until recent years for whatever reason. Puerto Ricans (as a collective) embraced Freestyle and Electronic Music more than rap until later in the 80s and early 90s. Latin Kings in NYC are racist and won’t accept the half’s. If I bake a cake and you show up with frosting and some sprinkles…”We” didn’t bake a cake…I did…you helped with decoration. Nothing wrong with that. 🤷🏽♂️
Most Puerto Ricans were not into hip hop at any time in the 80s so it wasn't a transition from rap to freestyle it was moreso a direct lineage to disco era
Most black people didn't fuck with hiphop until the late 80s. I'm from Chicago and we couldn't hear hiphop until the weekend and that was the mid 80s. It was house and r&b. Whipper whip from the fantastic romantics in wild style is PR. Plus their dj. Rhyming since the 70s.
This is a shame.... the original ones who were there have all ready spoken from the 1960' hip hop...... so I will ride with them on this subject..... Black people invited hip hop... period ‼️💯
When you use the term Black what do you mean?? Cause there's all forms of Black. Not just Black American. Black Americans have a BAD HABIT of trying to take that word for themselves. Or creating a color grid saying mixed people are not Black.
None of the first generation Latinos could go in the house and tell their parents they were listening to James Brown or hanging around Black youth in the late 60's early 70's. That's FFFFFFFACTS 🎯 SO HOW TF YOU CREATED WHAT YOU COULDN'T PARTAKE IN🙄😳🙄😳🖐🏾🤌🏾🖐🏾👉🏾🫸🏾
@@effu2 for one do your research look at all the documentaries and my family have been here since the 1920s my family went to the jams and block parties..
@@bornkinguniversal bruh do you know how many latin bands were sampled or used for breakbeats🤣 I gota stay off the internet having convos with people who have zero clue what they’re even arguing about ✌🏽
“No reason to talk about that back then” = We was hidin the fact that we were PR out of fear of not being accepted in Foundational Black American culture. Being there vs Creating the culture from scratch is 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. 🛑
still doesnt negate the fact that some of the creators are puetro rican and didnt admit they were until now rather you like it or not hiphop was started by multiple cultures including puerto ricans and Dominicans Jamaicans etc
@@CHILDSANONYMOUS Foundational Black Americans have the receipts of “us” breakin and rappin in the 1930’s and 40’s. Graffiti in the 1960’s etc.. you probably still think hip hop started that day in 1973 Kool Hercs lil sisters “back to school party” huh? This is in the soul of my people and can’t be quantified. ONLY IMITATED… Anyway, the solid PR’s are on social media admitting, acknowledging and accepting of the truth and then there’s a few like you who wanna keep the lies goin. S/O to the solid 1’s ✊🏾🫱🏾🫲🏽 🇵🇷
Hip-Hop culture was not something that was "created", there is no exact creation date nor creator... It didn't appear overnight either, it was something that evolved and took form organically over time. Respect to DJ Kool Herc but even he admitted his jam in 1973 wasn't the first jam, as he was already attending jams by '71. It was definitely a significant moment worthy of being memorialized and he is definitely a seminal figure who contributed to in the formation of the culture with playing breaks back to back and building the crazy sound system, etc. but the culture was already emerging... Because like I said, it was a slow gradual process, with many black brothers and sisters, and yes even latinos of every shade adding on piece by piece over the years. The fashion, the music, the dancing, the graffiti, the slang, etc. were already forming into what we would eventually call Hip-Hop. The name Hip-Hop wasn't even coined until 1978 and took about a year for the name to fully catch on and be cemented. Guess who was not only participating but adding on to the culture by 1978? It wasn't just black people. Nobody is arguing that black people weren't the majority in it or that they didn't start it, so this propaganda that attempts to discredit and downplay Latino participation and contributions to the culture is historical revisionism, misinformation, cultural exclusion, and complete erasure. Whitewashing aint cool and neither is whatever this consorted effort is by some people in the culture like Lord Jamar. P.E.A.C.E.
With this novel of an explanation being said, Puerto Ricans cannot show any foundation from their culture that contributed to HipHop in the beginning. The music,slang, dressing etc. all is FBA culture. Prove me wrong with receipts🤔 All I hear consistently from y’all is we were there🤦🏽♂️ We got ppl with boots on the ground from the late 60s and early 70s that bare witness plus documentation going back to the early 1920’s showing and telling the history🎯💯 The one thing you were correct about is the culture was built over a duration of time and we got the receipts!!!
@@seancannon1985 P.E.A.C.E. It's unfortunate that is your takeaway from my appropriate length comment. If you claim to know that the culture was built over time then you should understand there is no creation date nor creator. I think what we have here is a disagreement over semantics because I've not heard anybody ever dispute the widely known and accepted fact that black people were the first in starting what would become Hip-Hop and were always the main people doing it from the very beginning... I've never argued anything to the contrary, or even heard anyone else make that argument... But certain people want to keep arguing about who did and didn't create Hip-Hop as if there was a creator. To anyone who is implying there is a creator, then at what point was the creation finished and who is the creator? Would it be Keef Cowboy since he is said to have named Hip-Hop? I've heard people argue that Lovebug Starski invented the name Hip-Hop though, so maybe he deserves the credit? Others argue that DJ Hollywood did, so should he get the credit? What about Kool Herc, he is known as the "Father of Hip-Hop and there's tons of people who credit him for creating it. But then you got DJ Disco King Mario who people swear up and down he was the first, so should the credit go to him? Some swear it was Grandmaster Flowers though! What about the Graffiti artists from the 60s though? They predate all of them! What about Afrika Bambaataa? Say what you will about him as a man, but he was said to have organized and created the conditions that helped bring the gangs together and transition the gang culture into Hip-Hop culture and formulated what the five foundational elements of what Hip-Hop culture are and codified it's values as peace, unity, love, and having fun... Surely this is the man and moment we should credit, right? Or... Hear me out... We just credit all of them as important figures who contributed and added on the culture instead of trying to say who created it and who didn't, for example, Latinos. Nobody is trying to erase black people's history from Hip-Hop culture... But there are those trying to erase Puerto Rican's from it. How about we stop acting like there is an attack on the "Foundational Black American" history of Hip-Hop just because we don't like discrimination, and the attempts to discredit and downplay any acknowledgement of Latino and Caribbean people's contributions and involvement in the culture before the first rap record was ever even recorded! Shout out to DJ Disco Wiz, Charlie Chase, Prince Whipper Whip, Ruby Dee, Devastating Tito, Master OC, Crazy Legs, Ken Swift, Spy, Batch, Jo Jo, Lee Quiñones, Joe Conzo, The Mean Machine, and all the countless Latinos in those early years of Hip-Hop history who were deejaying, emceeing, breaking and coming up with new dance moves and creating crazy art, bombing trains, and tagging up the city but remain nameless because they never got the shine they deserved.
@@GodlessG0D Say Bro… This topic of who created HipHop is is absurd🤯 The term HipHop was created in the Bronx, however when you trace the crucial elements of HipHop which is the music and rapping all the way back to 1920’s one would be hard pressed to say who originally started the true essence of rap because when you follow all of our genres from Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Ragtime, Duwop, Bebop, Rock, Country, Disco etc. HipHop just like the rest of our genres of music was a ripple effect over time that came together as a result of brothers putting parties together in the Bronx. Kool Herc did his thing in the early days but HipHop was already a thing when he came to America and personally I don’t think he should have been highlighted as the Godfather because there were parties going before he stepped on the scene🎯💯 Caribbeans contributed significantly in HipHop and Puerto Ricans did their thing with breaking but let’s be clear HipHop would still be great without any of those contributions and Puerto Ricans especially believe they’ve been more significant then they actually were. We’ve created so many dances since breaking, I don’t even know why we even zone in on it because we haven’t done it since the early 80’s. In the Golden Era of HipHop to now you don’t see anyone breaking because we have created mega dances since then and we’re still evolving🤷🏾♂️ That’s what creators do🎯💯 As far as Puerto Ricans being there in the early days, no one is refuting that y’all were there but what does that exactly mean🤔 Big Pun was the most significant Puerto Rican in HipHop that made a mark. Fat Joe here lately been on some BS!!! Go look at his earlier videos where he raved about being the only Puerto Rican in his projects and how he aligned himself with black people because he knew where the real essence is. He started this with that lie he told about HipHop being 50/50 Blasphemy🧢 Bottomline is the culture of HipHop was already established through countless genres that eventually had a ripple effect as the most influential genre of music around the world hands down✅💯
Crazy Legs in The Freshest Kids documentary 14:45 mark “Moreno means black. Puerto Ricans used to say that’s that Moreno style. The original style of b-boying.” 🎯
@@Letitallhangout did you not read the quote??? Crazy Legs said Moreno means black. So that was the context. We’re not talking about what people say in other countries.
@@timliang1674 I sure did. I watched the full documentary. I am repeating Crazy Legs’ words. Word for word on what he said and I even provided a time stamp. So if you have a problem with his definition of Moreno you should take it up with him
@@bornkinguniversal lol there's no problem....just clarifying what could be a misunderstanding. all this can just be put to rest, for those who care about being divisive and want to really nitpick who was the FIRST, go ahead and ask the Twins, they in the documentary, too. how come no one asked yet? maybe they dont care?
@@peaceandquiet290 you must be a part of that scientology cult with that information. Wow!! Please tell me you're just being sarcastic! Because I don't believe you to be acting serious right now.
Lol Tariq aint from New York and Jamar is from new rochelle and was in kindergarten when things were kicking off. Who we need to hear from are them dudes in their late 60's, early 70's who were there from the start. I havent heard any them coroborate Jamars claims
Hip Hop is Black American culture. Respect to all the Black people from PR and the rest of the Caribbean who contributed to Hip Hop. How you gonna come to another country and take credit for its culture? Hypothetically, even if you were there, it’s still Black American culture since it’s created in the USA and based on Black American culture.
Grandmixer dst is about 60 yrs old and just found out he's half pr. Dj tex d half pr, Rocksteady dj half pr, dancing doug is 1/4 pr he found out when he was 16. What they all have in common is being raised in or participating in their Black American culture. No element of hip hop comes from pr culture nor jamaican culture.
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt None of these people claiming it were even alive. They think just because the people who was there looked like us, they can claim WE own it. At the end of the day idk why the very inception is even being argued when Latinos were undeniably part of the first 10 formative years that made it into what we know it as today - even if they wasn’t there day 1… why tf does it matter so much to folks who wasn’t even there either?
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt Lol stop it puerto ricans in the BRONX who're Crazy Legs age and/or older will tell you their parents didn't even accept black culture and deemed everything we did as demonic, Latinos literally fought to identify as white in America. Caribbeans, Puerto Ricans and Africans have zero influence on black americans.
I'm an og born in the middle 1960's.... all i know is from the things i had seen with my own eyes.... i knew crazy legs from inwood.. he lived around the corner from me. I saw cool herc from my childhood buddy whos pops lived in the morrisiana -highbridge section of the boggie down back in 74.... Latinos played a vital part of early hip hop from what i seen coming up as child in the 70s! I was 13 when i first saw grandmaster flash, coldcrush brothers, grand wizard theodore , love bug, grandmaster flowers, charlie chase, & the list goes on.....! I remember some of the main spots like club 371 off webster ave where the disco group GQ along with Keith Sweat use to perform before they got put on the map, T-Connection off gun hill & Arthur's Roundtable in Bx River were spots of the zulu nation. I remember a summer hip hop fest in orchard beach back 79 it went all night through sunday morning! When u didnt need a permit to have a party. U just did it! I can go on for days!
This like saying black ppl were in the same neighborhood as Latinos were creating salsa.. since some black ppl learned the dance,black ppl created salsa too
Math it’s only right that u have Tariq Nasheed on the show now ! Stop trying to avoid the truth and controlling the narrative ! Help protect the truth and history bro !! Don’t do the work of the same ppl that once tried to blackball u !!
Hip Hop exclusively came from Black American Descendants of Slaves in the United States. Our cultural finger print is on every element in Hip Hop culture. Black Americans (Freedman) have been here for half a millennium and we were in this land before any Caribbean immigrants came here and we already had very rich cultures before their arrival. The first official Hip Hop emcee is Coke La Roc whose parents come from the Carolinas who was already in the Bronx doing early forms of Hip Hop before Kool Herc came in 1971. Coke La Roc is still alive. The first Graffiti writer is a Black American man named Cornbread from Philadelphia who wrote Cornbread all city and did graffiti in 1967. Cornbread is still alive. The first Hip Hop B Boys officially given the title “B Boy” by Kool Herc and Coke La Roc at the first Hip Hop jams are two Black Americans named Trixie and Bboy A1 Sasa. They both are still alive. The first DJs were people like DJ Hollywood, Pete DJ Jones, Disco King Mario, Grand Master Flowers, DJ Smokey and John Brown who were Black Americans doing outdoor jams for crowds in Brooklyn and the Bronx before Kool Herc came. The most popular Bboy break was from a Black American named James Brown and the song is called Give It Up Or Turn It A Loose. The first unofficial Rap song is by a Black American man from South Carolina named Pig Meat Markham and the song was “Here Comes The Judge”. The Black Spades who later became the Zulu Kings were the originators who were mostly Black Americans whose families came to New York from the South. I can also talk about the Black American fashion that influenced the Caribbean immigrants in the late 60s early 70s. When Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans came to the US in the 70s they came with non name brand clothes and pointy dress shoes and got made fun of by Black Americans for how they dressed because they were not wearing the “Hip” clothes, like DJ Kool Herc described in one of his interviews were a Black American girl clowned his shoes and called the roach killers. Caribbean’s had to ASSIMILATE into the dominant Black American urban city culture in the United States because we ran culture here. This is our land and our culture. It was to the point like Crazy Legs said about Red Alert, they had to hide their Caribbean identity to blend in with Black Americans and not be made fun of. Which MANY Caribbean immigrant children did to be accepted by Black Americans. So let’s not continue these lies Fat Joe, KRS ONE, Busta Rhymes and Pete Rock told about Hip Hop being created 50/50 by Blacks and Latinos. They are telling stories from Puerto Ricans who came into Hip Hop in the late 70s when Hip Hop had been going on since at least 1967. Crazy Legs was not there in the beginning like he said so let an official originator tell the story. He keeps saying people were half Puerto Rican, in the case of Tex, he found out he was half Puerto Rican when he was an adult when his father passed away and told him that. He never knew he was even half Puerto Rican until he was an ADULT, but he was culturally a Black American NOT Puerto Rican.
@@عبدالقادرالجزائري-ف2ص no the fuck THEY didn't lmao and Lord Jamar y'all spoke person is half Guyanese his fucking self. Half his family did Caribbean shit. Keep listening to that paid agent lol. Never heard a Puerto Rican EVER say they invented hip hop lmao
Crazy legs misses the point though. Puerto Ricans were there, but did not start it. There’s a Bboy documentary called the freshest kids and they would say that early on other Puerto Ricans would say “why you doing that Moreno dance?”. Puerto Ricans did blow up breakin though, so you have to give them their props for that. If they never got involved, the dance would’ve died in the 70s.
The first iteration of breaking which black Americans were doing looks completely different from modern day breaking though. PR brothers were inspired by the early black bboys and took the dance to a different level by giving it structure and created and innovated lots of foundational moves. Crazy Commaders, SalSoul, TBB, Starchild La Rock. All 1970s PR crews. To say the dance was created by one people is disingenuous.
@@grinchoi1 yeah you’re right, from what I’ve seen it was different in the early days. They would do more uprocking. When I say that the Puerto Ricans blew it up, I mean like how Rock Steady commercialized it for the world to see. If it wasn’t for Crazy Legs and Rock Steady, nobody would be bboying today. The dance was considered played out back in the late 70s early 80s before they made it cool again.
@@grinchoi1 They added to a creation they didn't help create anything, they added new dance moves. Same with Caribbeans and Africans with Hip-Hop/Rap. Puerto Ricans, Caribbeans and Africans have ZERO influence on black americans.
@@bronxbomerpito7286 I know, but the black community create Hip Hop. That you can't change. The Puerto Ricans came late 70's in the culture of Hip Hop's first decade. .
@@Maurice572 bro how are you telling me about my family and its life.? you don't find that weird? look up the first rap albums.. just go look them up they are Puerto Rican dudes on them.. we were tagging up we were break dancing we were DJing and we are on the first rap albums.. CREATING THE CULTURE. this was never an issue until the new generation got on the internet.. play kids from Chicago Nevada Iowa telling me about my people jacking their culture 😂
The only problem people had was fat Joe saying it was 50-50. It’s no confusion. I’m from the Bronx too bro, crazy legs you are a legend but stop. A lot of Hispanics did not rock with hip-hop or black folks. I’m not lying bro and I’m no racist. Just speaking facts when money involve especially for us. That’s when everybody wants in. Hip-hop making a lot of folks Rich.
It started with the talks of reparations and some African Americans feeling if given it should only go to blacks who ancestors landed in America. Also, many who came from the Carribean would separate themselves from African Americans at certain times and now it's spreading throughout the culture.
I believe this all started when Whites in comments sections started talking about being co-creators of Hip Hop. Blacks and Puerto Ricans started hammering back at their nonsense. However, as P.R.s were responding, they were claiming themselves as being creators along with Blacks. Naturally, a lot of Blacks were rightfully correcting the P.R.s about them not being creators but rather being there and not fully participating. Shortly after that, Lord Jamar stated(on a certain Russian/Jew's YT channel) that non-Blacks were actually guests in the house of Hip Hop, and everything went from 0-to-60 at that point. Then, shortly after that, the wording for P.R.s became that they were the first students of Hip Hop. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Lord Jamar called Crazy Legs out to have a live respectful conversation and Crazy legs went MIA but deliberately pops up on another pod cast that’s not really in tune with what’s going on. Thats so lame.
Growing up I definitely experienced that I’m from Flatbush my dad from Jamaica and mom From Trinidad but I grew up in Williamsburg nothing but Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, I Use to lie about where I’m from sometimes cause niggas use to always HAVE THEM TYPE OF JOKES AT One point I told niggas I was Panamanian cause the climate was heavy at that point in time and niggas looked down on that but NOW WE’RE GLORIFIED! Making sure my daughter BE HAPPY WHERE SHE CAME FRM!
Nobody was even thinking anybody other than hip hop is Black culture until it took over the world ..find somebody ..Puerto Rican or otherwise that was claiming Hip hop before like 3 years ago ..this is the phoniest thing ever
They are tho , having different branches of music I'm pretty sure you heard these 3, Bad Bunny , El Alfa, Peso Pluma all different genres & I'm African American
But they do tho, Cubans and Puerto Ricans have Mambo and Salsa, Colombians have Vallenato Dominicans have Bachata and Merengue. Reggaeton which was derrived for Reggae was made a culture by Puerto Ricans and the list goes on and on
IM PUERTO RICAN BORN N RAISED IN THE BRONX. BROOK AVE SOUTH BRONX. WHERE HIPHOP WAS CREATED BUT CMON KRAZY LEGS HIPHOP IS BLACK CULTURE. YES WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING BUT WE DIDNT CREATE IT. WE ARE BLACKS TOO ITS IN OUR DNA BUT GIVE OUR BLACKS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THEIR JUST DO. THEY ARE THE CREATORS THEY CREATED US TOO. fast forward lets not act like their wasn’t racism too. latins who hated black people who was mad at u for being around blacks. when you went to prison the latins wanted you to be part of them in rikers island when they were oppressing people which is why bloods was created cuz the latins were hateful towards blacks and jamaicans were in there too against blacks. in 93 blacks had to create bloods cuz there were too many latin kings in there attacking blacks
Disappointed in the dismissal of giving the FBA full credit for CREATING the Hip Hop Culture. Doing so does not discredit the PRs and the Black Caribbeans contributions/origins. What’s the agenda? Is it grant money & corporate donations that’s now going towards the culture and HH. Museum in the Bronx?
What did he say? He said a Black gang called the "BLACK SPADES" led by Bam in the 1970s brought unity through Hip-hop and formed ZULU. "A Black gang" not Puerto Ricans.
@starrican8311 black spades was a black gang, they had some Spanish members but it was a black gang. Same way Latin kings has blacks and whites in NY but we know it be a latino gang. Even the Bloods is a black gang, Lotta Hispanic members but the foundation of it is black. That's the problem right there, other cultures not wanting to acknowledge following behind Blacks. That's why we are having this debate now
hip hop was the sound of the streets at that time and was created out of the backlash to the bougie disco era to give voice and an outlet to the voiceless and an alternative to the gang wars of the time. Hip Hop could only have been created in NYC, particularly in the Bronx with its confluence of different cultures and vibes. All you have to do is listen to the early music and the samples being used from various genres to create a new sound and original in its inception. Not all of those influences were black, but they were the vanguard that led the movement forward for sure. It was inclusive and that's what made it funky fresh and full of energy that cannot be replicated again. Charlie Chase was the DJ of Cold Crush, Tito of the Fearless Four, countless latino DJ's brought their sets out to the parks, breakers, the graffiti writers on the bench at 149th street train station, so PRs where involved from the jump. If someone wants to claim this or that, cool - everyone has an opinion but it misses the point. Its about elevating the art form and your fellow man
Pr's were not involved from the jump. If that were, then Hip Hop would ve full of Puerto Rican cultural elements, influences, early precursors, and transfers🤦🏽♂️
This a ridiculous conversation black Americans started hip-hop and there is no debate. We started rock country, soul, r&b, with no help its no different with hip hop
I remember going to the Copacabana in the mid-2000s when the jawn was across the street from the Jacob Javits Center. The main floor played Latin music. The lower level played rap and R&B. Guess what group of people dominated which floor... That subtle separation had let me know who were the originators of Hip-Hop. Everybody keeps saying that music is only one aspect of Hip-Hop, but that was the foundation for the other elements. You needed so people can break, pop lock and dance. Black Americans created it. Puerto Ricans and West Indians helped decorate it. 💯
As a life long Brooklynite, It's always baffling to hear outta towners talk like they know sh!t about NYC or know who was living in NYC in the 70s. Its hard to imagine a cultural upsurge such as hip-hop happening in the Bronx and no Puerto Ricans and other Caribbeans was there....they buggin...
They were there watching but they didn't create shit. Hip hop is black American cultural music with the influences from our elders such as James Brown😂
Yea, fans don’t write raps either, but they r at the concert or party. Words couldn’t express how ashamed and embarrassed I’d b, this is a horrible look. I don’t think folk understand the look. We get it, Hip Hop is cool lol!!!
The originators of hip hop is a interesting one!! In UK some claimed drum & bass, broken beat, dubstep originated here, in its present form maybe but they always give timeline credit to hip hop for the drums, Chicago house for the melodies & Fela Kuti for rhythms as it takes all to make all!! Watching Wild Style its clear to see the culture was racially diverse but further back only those there will really know!! Looking for the inception of anything we always find a catalyst that influenced the present form! Tracing things back sometimes the links are not always clearly seen as so many diverse strands come into play beyond our sight!!!
I'm older than hip-hop. High School years were 1977 - 1981 - They use to call it UP-ROCK (UP-ROCKING) and it was black - Germans or Meda-Medas (What we called ALL LATINOS) who were there - Shit - I had a Philipino friend that was wild with it. NY being the so call melting pot meant it was more than just black americans who contributed to the culture.
Some backgrounds may been around no one really disputed that the problem we have is what fat joe and some ricans saying they created hip hop 50/50 with black which is a lie
@realfloxks__0637 if fat joe said that..he dead wrong..but..he's speaking from his perspective and the bronx back then then was predominantly gwala-gwalas...but we k ow who created hip hop.... Yardman dem...LOL
And that's why a lot of us couldn't stand Brooklyn. Germans and Meda Medas?? (Which is spelled wrong) It's Mira. Makes us feel like you look down upon us or you could call us whatever you want and nothing will come out of it. Both sides deserve respect.
If anyone denies that ricans don’t have. A huge part of the beginning of hip hop is a denialists!!!! From graffiti to breakdancing to dj to MC THEY CONTRIBUTED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT DEFINES HIP HOP LIFESTYLE
Cholly Rock and some of the other Black Spades are on record telling the REAL beginning of hip hop. I don't understand why we are talking, or listening to ANYBODY else. This constant interviewing of Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans don't make any damn sense.
No one said you were not there why do they try the bait and switch LOL. Math you started it when Bigga said hip hop was carribean and Clark Kent said American blacks have no culture. Oh and lets not forget when you asked Kid Capri was hip hop Jamaican and he looked you all in the face and told you it's Black American. Everyone in this clip was disingenuous, for no reason. If we all one then you would simply say we saw something happening and wanted to be a part of it but Blacks were doing it all first. Simple if you were really real. Come on guys
@URFAVTROLL tethering at its finest. He's no immigrant but his parents are. He doesn't get up on that mic and present himself as a Bajan though everything about him screams Black America so I can't fathom why these people will sit up and say Americans have no culture when they are running with our whole swagger.
You would think that and I'm Latino. I don't know about Crazy Legs. But TH3 is/was like me always the only Latino in a crew of a Black Americans. I've heard him say my people were on some bullshit when he was coming up and he would check them. With all that said I can see him like myself having absolutely no problem saying Hip Hop was created by Black Americans. Yes we contributed but we did not create Hip Hop.
@@GOILL facts, I agree THIII kept it a lot more real than CL. And yea I’ve been hip to the Lo-Life’s since 00’ (even tho they go back to the 80’s) so I know who he grew up around. I just want ALL truths to be told if people gone talk.
@@brashadp the interview I am recalling by memory was him going to the PR parade and he headed up there with his crew. Long story short the organizers wanted to judge him because of his crew. He was like naw if you do that I'm out of here plain and simple. I'm Guatemalan and we have the smallest percentage of African in our bloodline but we have the very proud Guarifuna people who are Guatemalan and as African as you can get with the culture music and food. 😂 What's funny when people ask me if I'm half Black because I get along with Black Americans so well I tell them man look at my hair one of my ancestors was like I like that Chocolate over there 😂
@@GOILLyou claim to be “latino” but that’s a made up term by the US government to bunch all Spanish speaking people into one bunch. Nobody actually speaks Latin anymore & the French named Latin America. Most Latino/ Hispanic just accept whatever Spain told them to. PRs are mixed with African
Y'all some young cornballs look up Rock Steady Crew from the 80's half was Puerto Rican ever heard of Charlie Chase? of course not your hip-hop knowledge goes back as far as Chief Keef
@@senorc4416lmao shut up your a fan of black culture and without black people or our contributions to the world you would literally die out so just shut up be humble and grateful boy
This rewriting of Hip-Hop history, especially the anti-Puerto Rican and anti-imigrant part - maybe wasn't started by but is being spearheaded behind the scenes and in front of the scenes by Tariq Nasheed. He is selective about when he wants to come across as pro-Black diaspora but time and time again he also shows how he is low key very much in line with far right politics; especially when it comes to race and ethnicity. He now has a hard on to misinform and create division in culture of Hip-Hop. He's even enrolling so-called representatives of Hip-Hop culture to spread his misinformation to the masses. And homie isn't even of the culture and never even had any close proximity to the culture. He isn't credible in Hip-Hop culture and nobody in real Hip-Hop culture can vouch for him either. He seems to be attempting to create a movement of Afro-descendant fundamental Black Americans that look down on other Afro-descendants and people of color with contempt and disdain. He's an agent of division in sheep's clothing...
If you didn't grow up in The Bronx in the 1970's, you can't be speaking on this. True New Yorkers know what the deal is. Blacks and Puerto Ricans were both there, because hip hop came out of the ghettos of The Bronx. The ghettos of The Bronx in the 1970's were mostly Blacks and Puerto Ricans.
Exactly- and if you was in single digits in the 70’s what jam were you getting in- gtfoh! Charlie Rock who i believe is in his 60’s or early 70’s said it best- “ half these cats claiming shit were toddlers in the early 70’s - how you talking about something you weren’t old enough to be involved in- wtf?
Yes exactly. But what I don't like is this "Latino" sh!t. Using loose terms to falsely include all, as opposed to being precise about "Puerto Ricans and Blacks". Not no dam Latinos, whatever TF that even is.
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We never discredited Latinos, they did a great contribution, But Black American's created HipHop.
Clearly
Most Puerto Ricans are Black!🤦🏽♂️
Exactly
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All the gay shit going on in hip hop give it to the whites
Fat Joe was born in 1970 and busta rhymes was born in 72 - what jams were they in when they were toddlers in the 70’s when it started??
Most of us talking weren't there, or were just born. So what
The Jams were full of kids and teenagers. Mario was 14 years old when he started
@@hatemadnessbusta and fat Joe were not teenagers back then. They were preschoolers
@@spenser6353 Take your time and read my comment slowly sir....
You can't put hiphop into one year or 5. Guy been spinning records since they were created. In the 50s and 60s. Guys been rapping since the 1800s. They put it all together in the mid 70s.
Just because a few Puerto Ricans hung with black people doesn’t mean they created hip hop with black people. No one is saying they wasn’t there but they didn’t create hip hop.
they wasn't there. so a pr was in Trixie's living room when he was making up his dances to do at a party?
Mario was not Puerto Rican - his family already broke that down. Smh.
LMAO, his name is Mario, think about it!!! most black dudes got made up names
Why you shaking your head ? The video you’re commenting on is crazy legs saying that!
Salute 🫡 to the OG Crazy Legs He a Day One Str8 up and the narrative was Fugazi pumped up on some SUCKA shh 🤫 Mr Magic was on WHBI in what 79?? The Disco Showcase was one of the 1st shows to really play the early Hip Hop and he was Boricua y Moreno so please kill that noise. Our Taino fam was there and added they flavor to culture no doubt about it.
@@MPCHustle what? If his actual family who are all black -say he is black - what are we doing🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@annur3432 first of all, we talking about the beginning 70-73 and the guys were talking about were already teenagers in the 70’s meaning they were born in the early 60’s or some late 50’s. Crazy legs was 10 in 76 and by that time black people had already stopped break dancing by that time and the Puerto Ricans ran with it- according to our elders in hip- hop. Nobody never said yall didn’t CONTRIBUTE to hip hop - we talking about the CREATORs of hip-hop. My uncles who were teenagers in the early 70’s said there were PR’s at Jams but majority was black, plus alot of PR- adults considered black music as Jungle Music and they had their own music they enjoyed and listened to. We love our PR brothas and sistas but to claim creation for what black people did is disrespectful at best, just like we would never claim any of their creations.Peace✅
The fact that Crazy Legs and them think Acknowledging the creators of Hip Hop is about separation, means they don't even understand what this conversation is about. Acknowledging Black people created Hip Hop DOES NOT mean Puerto Ricans and others ethnicities are hated or unappreciated. Everyone's contribution is important and respected. The conversation is about acknowledging Black people as the creators, it's not about segregation.
Non of it matters because u don't control what u created u know who does and they don't look like u. Now after all these years u want credit for what what is considered is pure trash from its original origins.uyeah u was the first so what no what. If u was in nyc then u know all others just have an opinion and everybody has one remember
no u missed the point the just say black people created hip hop is to discredit Latinos contribution to the creation. Charlie Chase from cold crush brothers is considered one of the founders of hip hop and hes Puerto Rican, the first hip hop photographer was from Puerto Rico. u tell me how are they not part of the creation of hip-hop?
you still don't get it Caribbean and African Americans created why is this so hard for you to understand stop calling hip-hop only black cause its not rather you acknowledge it or not
@@ScuderiaSkoot - Doctors and nurses were there to help care for the baby during pregnancy and immediately after it was born, that doesn't mean those doctors and nurses created the baby. And it doesn't mean the creators of the baby hate or devalue the doctors and nurses contributions to the baby's development. We are talking about *creation* not *cultivation.*
@@CHILDSANONYMOUSnobody cares look at Hip-Hop now this is embarrassing talk about now and what u are doing about Hip-Hop right now other than trying to cause a division. Again Nobody cares who created anything. We want to know why did u allow it to become what it is today if y don't control it now who cares what u started it's trash. When people were buy the tapes of the parties no body said I ant Buying this because we ant been given credit nobody cares but u and the fact that it's a topic 2day is comical. Tell me why did u allow what u created end up like it is now that's what we want to know
I have a question. Why is it so hard to give black people their props?
I am an FBA the reason it is hard for "foreigners" to give us props is, because there has always been a level of superiority with their mindset as a group. Hip Hop as a culture is so accessible to everyone across the world not just Jamaicans and Latinos they feel they own it too. Up until Microphone Check being released Jamaicans and Latinos really thought they helped create the culture. That is why Tariq Nasheed in particular is attacked so much is, because they wanted the fantasy of being a co-creator to be a reality. From every element of the culture there are no remnants of Latino or Caribbean culture within in. But, when you look at the predecessors of Hip Hop, James Brown, The Nicholas Brothers, Little Buck, Grandmaster Flowers, DJ Hollywood etc. all FBAs running through the cultures veins it is indisputable. Lineage is the key word and concept
great question
Well said all these races cling on and hoodwinked people into believing blacks never created jazz rock rnb,blues,gospel,House,rap,country, black people created all those said genres but somehow white puerto ricans created it .
@@charleswhite4803 Agreed
why so hard to give latinos theirs?
It's a difference between creating and contributing. Forget hip hop the real issue is how all non black folks want to take credit for damn near everything we do when it becomes publicly accepted....
And that's the problem. Hip Hop was created by young black American youth and they think because they spun on a box that they started hip-hop. I swear. They just like YT
The real issue should be who owns hip hop cause all this talk about creating it blacks still gotta go to the other for checks in hip hop Jimmy and Lyor
@@MrWARBUCKS24 that ain’t hip hop that’s called business.
@MrWARBUCKS24 The streets own hip-hop. You don't have to go to YT. That's a choice. 2 Live Crew did it on their own. Jermaine Dupri did it on his own. You always have a choice. Don't be brainwashed in believing we need YT. Most people go to Lyor and Jimmy for bigger budgets.
@@804EBEATS But Puerto Ricans where there when Hip Hop wasnt accepted by the masses so that logic dont apply to Puerto Ricans, they are not trying to take credit after the fact they where there building the house alongside African Americans, I would argue that Puerto Ricans played a huge role on the elevation of the culture.
We not gonna act like this didn’t start with busta rhymes on drink champs. And then behind that fat joe 50/50. 50/50 is legal terms. That’s separation right there. And we can literally trace these videos back by the dates on TH-cam and verify what came first. Before that it was only yt people being guest was the only talk going on.
@cherokeebill1560 yes black Americans did not start this debate but Busta Rhymes was talkin out his A-hole and Fat Joe said blacks and Hispanics created it 50/50 so the people who know had to let the truth be known
50/50 was egregious ill def admit that
I dont understand why they making this so difficult. There is no denial regarding the contributions of Puerto Ricans or West Indians into hip hop, but the creation was Black Americans. Kool Herc was a Jamaican but what music was he playing at these jams??? He was not playing reggae or salsa, he was playing popular music from black american culture, ie James Brown. It is just that simple.
A fair few of the early breakbeats were from white musicians, no?
di he not just say mario and tex who was PR came before herc
@@elmascholo13Mario came before Herc, so did Flowers, Hollywood, PeteyJones, KoolDee, Tex is like Chase., they were put on By Caz & Mario…which means they were Participating in FBA CULTURE.
@@elmascholo13mario was from down south…he WAS NOT PR!!!! Stop it
If you don't get lord jamar, tariq nasheed, or any of the elders that were in the documentary on to speak like you giving them a platform to speak then there's definitely an agenda being pushed
Bruh you're being extra af lol
@@godbodykarate2555extra extra 😂😂😂
Jamar is a professional contrarian and maybe a bit racist against whites in hip hop. Not credible
No one questions them in HipHop but they damn sure AINT START HIPHOP!!It's been alot of revising and trying to change the history of HIPHOP Lately.
Living in the hood started hip hop that’s the essence of hip hop and whoever lives in the hood and projects at the time can be considered a part of hip hop Puerto Ricans are one the biggest of the not the biggest supporters of hip hop
Supporters not orginators of the music. @@jonathanortiz4189
@@jonathanortiz4189ok but yall don’t have any influence in hip
Hop
Rappers delight first hip hop song was written by a black woman Sylvia Robinson
@@jonathanortiz4189no it doesn’t who tf told you that 😆
@@URFAVTROLL WHAT?? Please don't embarrass yourself any further. I see your objective is DIVISION since you CLEARLY dont care enough to something as easy as google.
It is extremely important to acknowledge hip hop as Black Culture. Yes, Ricans were there from the onset, but hesitant to identify themselves as Black. This is why this discussion is even on the table. It does seem opportunistic for Ricans to claim originator status now in Hip Hop. Im Puerto Rican, but was born in the states... i know my ancestry and am in tune with my african roots. It took too long for Ricans as a whole to acknowledge they blackness. Ricans like myself understand whats going on here and we not offended at not having the monkier of originator.
Exactly, Latinos fought to identify as white and majority of Caribbeans/Africans don't identify as black and have the same rhetoric as racist white men. This Reparations conversation just didn't come about, they've been talking about reparations and how to go about giving them out, that's why this topic blew up over the last few months. This is what they're pushing with Kamala Harris, she's an anchor baby with immigrant parents who don't identify as black but they can use her to identify as black knowing most black people will vote for the closest thing to black!! They're replacing us with Caribbeans, Latinos and Africans like the U.K. is so that there won't even be a enough Foundational Black Americans left to even talk about reparations.
Hip Hop is not Black Culture. Maybe today it is but it wasn't back then.
You're very wrong about this. Salsa music in the 70s talked about African roots heavy.
Your forgetting Taino, they were mixed with different sizzle feature, even hair si, if you have an opportunity to go to PR, take a tour in the history of PR,
Go to the museum ask the locals about the Taino there.
Lord Jamar's argument is African American youth were the main foundation of hip hop, and he is correct.
main foundation and being the only foundation is 2 different things
MAIN yes. Not the ONLY though
@@CHILDSANONYMOUS I don't believe he'd ever claimed African Americans were the only, simply that African Americans were the main ones.
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt I don't believe he'd ever argued African Americans were the only. I believe he'd pretty much explained it as African Americans being the main component, and all else being supporting/side components.
Hip hop is (F) black American music. Everyone else came later. Our Puerto Rican Brothers didn't create shit 😅😅
Nah. Hip Hop is a continuation of and a direct result of the Black African American cultural journey and story here in these United States. Simple. The Puerto Rican DJs that were there from the beginning (no question) were getting props and popularity from spinning American Disco records and James Brown/Funk breaks, not Bomba Plena from Puerto Rico. It's ok. This has nothing to do with whether Crazy Legs got African blood in his veins.
But the thing is they couldn’t use they Hispanic name they had to come up with one to be down
Agree
Latinos were definitely part of Hip Hop Culture but they were not original creators of the music; black Americans were.🙌🏽
LOL
A jamaican created hip hop
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Nun Jamaican about hip hop dumb axx
U can’t even name da Jamaican but I can tell u dis
Rappers delight first hip hop song written by
Sylvia Robinson a black woman
Black Americans were def there but it was Caribbean people who created hip hip ..Jamaica ,Pr ,African American not FBA
Anyone not from are excluded from the convo !
Charlie Chase said there were no Ricans there in the beginning‼️
I’m half Puerto Rican. Respect to Legs and Thirstin Howl BUT…
Most ‘full’ Puerto Ricans don’t acknowledge the “half” stuff UNLESS you are someone of notoriety, otherwise they could care less. And Puerto Ricans from the island feel a sense of superiority over those not born on the island.
African Americans CREATED the culture that became known as Hip Hop and Puerto Ricans were the first inductees, that was never a debate until recent years for whatever reason. Puerto Ricans (as a collective) embraced Freestyle and Electronic Music more than rap until later in the 80s and early 90s.
Latin Kings in NYC are racist and won’t accept the half’s. If I bake a cake and you show up with frosting and some sprinkles…”We” didn’t bake a cake…I did…you helped with decoration.
Nothing wrong with that. 🤷🏽♂️
Most Puerto Ricans were not into hip hop at any time in the 80s so it wasn't a transition from rap to freestyle it was moreso a direct lineage to disco era
Most black people didn't fuck with hiphop until the late 80s. I'm from Chicago and we couldn't hear hiphop until the weekend and that was the mid 80s. It was house and r&b. Whipper whip from the fantastic romantics in wild style is PR. Plus their dj. Rhyming since the 70s.
@@mostmost1 Lies
@@mansamusa9465 how in the hell you think hiphop was popular in the 80s? It was not!
This is a shame.... the original ones who were there have all ready spoken from the 1960' hip hop...... so I will ride with them on this subject..... Black people invited hip hop... period ‼️💯
When you use the term Black what do you mean?? Cause there's all forms of Black. Not just Black American. Black Americans have a BAD HABIT of trying to take that word for themselves. Or creating a color grid saying mixed people are not Black.
@@hectorrivera8521 as long as you know what I was talking about genius....then my point was made.... and make sure you teach your kids that son ‼️👍👉😏
I hope Math Hoffa interview Lord Jamar again and hopefully you let Lord Jamar rebuttal his statement.
Why not have this convo with lord jamar there???
Because he’s racist foo
All I know is that Jamar numbers are about to run up when he goes live again!!LOL
Seems as if no one wants that debate
@@tadah21and it's coming real soon too
Cuz he gonna yell over everybody
Sir Meccca!!! That introduction was legendary! Beautiful!! ♠️🎼💯
We know Puerto 🇵🇷 was there watching. Late 70's & early 80's You took break dancing, graffiti, b-boy to the next level
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@@MarkFairclough-x9q they helped popularize it. Nothing wrong with that
next level? explain please
None of the first generation Latinos could go in the house and tell their parents they were listening to James Brown or hanging around Black youth in the late 60's early 70's. That's FFFFFFFACTS 🎯 SO HOW TF YOU CREATED WHAT YOU COULDN'T PARTAKE IN🙄😳🙄😳🖐🏾🤌🏾🖐🏾👉🏾🫸🏾
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no but they would be listenting anyways and guys who didnt live at home were creating hip hop...
You know the south Bronx was majority Puerto Rican and black right
@@ricosuave5526 what are you basing that on? what research have you done to say that's true?
@@effu2 for one do your research look at all the documentaries and my family have been here since the 1920s my family went to the jams and block parties..
“Our main influence was the good foot. James Brown.” Crazy Legs Freshest Kids 1:20 mark
Key film
Influence means creator to you? James brown was a hiphop artist?
@@aliastheaddikt they sure weren’t influenced by Tito Puente
@@bornkinguniversal bruh do you know how many latin bands were sampled or used for breakbeats🤣
I gota stay off the internet having convos with people who have zero clue what they’re even arguing about ✌🏽
@@aliastheaddikt yeah you really do need to log off because you can’t stay on topic. The thread I created has nothing to do with break beats.
Rock Steady, Busta Rhymes and the rest will talk to everyone else but Lord Jamar.
Lord Jamar aint the judge. They dont have to get his approval to have conversations.
@@LuisCaban-ud9ttit goes beyond that because they won’t dialogue with the actual guys that were there either and thats a problem.
Lord Jamar??? 🤣🤣🤣
They Tethers ! 😕
@@reefb4364lord Jamar said he spoke to busta on the phone. But I guess busta scared to speak in public
“No reason to talk about that back then” = We was hidin the fact that we were PR out of fear of not being accepted in Foundational Black American culture. Being there vs Creating the culture from scratch is 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. 🛑
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Big Facts.
still doesnt negate the fact that some of the creators are puetro rican and didnt admit they were until now rather you like it or not hiphop was started by multiple cultures including puerto ricans and Dominicans Jamaicans etc
@@CHILDSANONYMOUS Foundational Black Americans have the receipts of “us” breakin and rappin in the 1930’s and 40’s. Graffiti in the 1960’s etc.. you probably still think hip hop started that day in 1973 Kool Hercs lil sisters “back to school party” huh? This is in the soul of my people and can’t be quantified. ONLY IMITATED… Anyway, the solid PR’s are on social media admitting, acknowledging and accepting of the truth and then there’s a few like you who wanna keep the lies goin. S/O to the solid 1’s ✊🏾🫱🏾🫲🏽 🇵🇷
@@CHILDSANONYMOUS
Ummm again no
Name these influential Jamaicans Africans
U should know them
The one good thing about this is 5 years ago the younger generation didn’t know or care about none of this history. Well you got they attention now.
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It’s like everyone wants a piece of black culture . Like rock and roll and country music . Damn just give us our props 😂
No friends and very little allies.....
Hip-Hop culture was not something that was "created", there is no exact creation date nor creator... It didn't appear overnight either, it was something that evolved and took form organically over time.
Respect to DJ Kool Herc but even he admitted his jam in 1973 wasn't the first jam, as he was already attending jams by '71. It was definitely a significant moment worthy of being memorialized and he is definitely a seminal figure who contributed to in the formation of the culture with playing breaks back to back and building the crazy sound system, etc. but the culture was already emerging...
Because like I said, it was a slow gradual process, with many black brothers and sisters, and yes even latinos of every shade adding on piece by piece over the years. The fashion, the music, the dancing, the graffiti, the slang, etc. were already forming into what we would eventually call Hip-Hop.
The name Hip-Hop wasn't even coined until 1978 and took about a year for the name to fully catch on and be cemented. Guess who was not only participating but adding on to the culture by 1978? It wasn't just black people.
Nobody is arguing that black people weren't the majority in it or that they didn't start it, so this propaganda that attempts to discredit and downplay Latino participation and contributions to the culture is historical revisionism, misinformation, cultural exclusion, and complete erasure. Whitewashing aint cool and neither is whatever this consorted effort is by some people in the culture like Lord Jamar. P.E.A.C.E.
this is true
With this novel of an explanation being said, Puerto Ricans cannot show any foundation from their culture that contributed to HipHop in the beginning. The music,slang, dressing etc. all is FBA culture. Prove me wrong with receipts🤔 All I hear consistently from y’all is we were there🤦🏽♂️ We got ppl with boots on the ground from the late 60s and early 70s that bare witness plus documentation going back to the early 1920’s showing and telling the history🎯💯 The one thing you were correct about is the culture was built over a duration of time and we got the receipts!!!
@@seancannon1985 P.E.A.C.E. It's unfortunate that is your takeaway from my appropriate length comment. If you claim to know that the culture was built over time then you should understand there is no creation date nor creator. I think what we have here is a disagreement over semantics because I've not heard anybody ever dispute the widely known and accepted fact that black people were the first in starting what would become Hip-Hop and were always the main people doing it from the very beginning... I've never argued anything to the contrary, or even heard anyone else make that argument... But certain people want to keep arguing about who did and didn't create Hip-Hop as if there was a creator.
To anyone who is implying there is a creator, then at what point was the creation finished and who is the creator? Would it be Keef Cowboy since he is said to have named Hip-Hop? I've heard people argue that Lovebug Starski invented the name Hip-Hop though, so maybe he deserves the credit? Others argue that DJ Hollywood did, so should he get the credit? What about Kool Herc, he is known as the "Father of Hip-Hop and there's tons of people who credit him for creating it. But then you got DJ Disco King Mario who people swear up and down he was the first, so should the credit go to him? Some swear it was Grandmaster Flowers though! What about the Graffiti artists from the 60s though? They predate all of them!
What about Afrika Bambaataa? Say what you will about him as a man, but he was said to have organized and created the conditions that helped bring the gangs together and transition the gang culture into Hip-Hop culture and formulated what the five foundational elements of what Hip-Hop culture are and codified it's values as peace, unity, love, and having fun... Surely this is the man and moment we should credit, right? Or... Hear me out... We just credit all of them as important figures who contributed and added on the culture instead of trying to say who created it and who didn't, for example, Latinos.
Nobody is trying to erase black people's history from Hip-Hop culture... But there are those trying to erase Puerto Rican's from it. How about we stop acting like there is an attack on the "Foundational Black American" history of Hip-Hop just because we don't like discrimination, and the attempts to discredit and downplay any acknowledgement of Latino and Caribbean people's contributions and involvement in the culture before the first rap record was ever even recorded!
Shout out to DJ Disco Wiz, Charlie Chase, Prince Whipper Whip, Ruby Dee, Devastating Tito, Master OC, Crazy Legs, Ken Swift, Spy, Batch, Jo Jo, Lee Quiñones, Joe Conzo, The Mean Machine, and all the countless Latinos in those early years of Hip-Hop history who were deejaying, emceeing, breaking and coming up with new dance moves and creating crazy art, bombing trains, and tagging up the city but remain nameless because they never got the shine they deserved.
@@GodlessG0D Say Bro… This topic of who created HipHop is is absurd🤯 The term HipHop was created in the Bronx, however when you trace the crucial elements of HipHop which is the music and rapping all the way back to 1920’s one would be hard pressed to say who originally started the true essence of rap because when you follow all of our genres from Gospel, Blues, Jazz, Ragtime, Duwop, Bebop,
Rock, Country, Disco etc. HipHop just like the rest of our genres of music was a ripple effect over time that came together as a result of brothers putting parties together in the Bronx. Kool Herc did his thing in the early days but HipHop was already a thing when he came to America and personally I don’t think he should have been highlighted as the Godfather because there were parties going before he stepped on the scene🎯💯 Caribbeans contributed significantly in HipHop and Puerto Ricans did their thing with breaking but let’s be clear HipHop would still be great without any of those contributions and Puerto Ricans especially believe they’ve been more significant then they actually were. We’ve created so many dances since breaking, I don’t even know why we even zone in on it because we haven’t done it since the early 80’s. In the Golden Era of HipHop to now you don’t see anyone breaking because we have created mega dances since then and we’re still evolving🤷🏾♂️ That’s what creators do🎯💯 As far as Puerto Ricans being there in the early days, no one is refuting that y’all were there but what does that exactly mean🤔 Big Pun was the most significant Puerto Rican in HipHop that made a mark. Fat Joe here lately been on some BS!!! Go look at his earlier videos where he raved about being the only Puerto Rican in his projects and how he aligned himself with black people because he knew where the real essence is. He started this with that lie he told about HipHop being 50/50 Blasphemy🧢 Bottomline is the culture of HipHop was already established through countless genres that eventually had a ripple effect as the most influential genre of music around the world hands down✅💯
Crazy Legs in The Freshest Kids documentary 14:45 mark “Moreno means black. Puerto Ricans used to say that’s that Moreno style. The original style of b-boying.” 🎯
Moreno in some countries simply means brown and/darker complected, not necessarily only black.
@@Letitallhangout did you not read the quote??? Crazy Legs said Moreno means black. So that was the context. We’re not talking about what people say in other countries.
"Moreno" in Spanish means dark-skinned. "Negro" in Spanish means black. Did you watch the documentary (that provides the context)?
@@timliang1674 I sure did. I watched the full documentary. I am repeating Crazy Legs’ words. Word for word on what he said and I even provided a time stamp. So if you have a problem with his definition of Moreno you should take it up with him
@@bornkinguniversal lol there's no problem....just clarifying what could be a misunderstanding. all this can just be put to rest, for those who care about being divisive and want to really nitpick who was the FIRST, go ahead and ask the Twins, they in the documentary, too. how come no one asked yet? maybe they dont care?
You need Tariq naseed and lord Jamar up there at same time.
Tariq wasn’t there and he isn’t from NYC. He not from the BX
Why? so they can spread more cap?
@poppa582 hidden colors docs he was not there either but those are hood classics so stop the 🧢
@@peaceandquiet290 you must be a part of that scientology cult with that information. Wow!! Please tell me you're just being sarcastic! Because I don't believe you to be acting serious right now.
Lol Tariq aint from New York and Jamar is from new rochelle and was in kindergarten when things were kicking off. Who we need to hear from are them dudes in their late 60's, early 70's who were there from the start. I havent heard any them coroborate Jamars claims
Hip Hop is Black American culture. Respect to all the Black people from PR and the rest of the Caribbean who contributed to Hip Hop.
How you gonna come to another country and take credit for its culture? Hypothetically, even if you were there, it’s still Black American culture since it’s created in the USA and based on Black American culture.
Puerto rico is this country.
@@mostmost1 …Definitely! But they’re differentiating themselves for some reason.
@@dnyce8224 everyone's differentiating themselves. and you got people who don't even do Hip-Hop chiming in.
I’m Puerto Rican and we did not have any part in creating hip hop, we just added on to it. Crazy Legs cut it out please…
If some of the originators were half PR then how does your statement hold weight? Smh kids!
So we were just sitting around and didn't give them ideas of what records to cut with huh?? SMDH
I guess you was there before crazy legs right?
@@ChikoRud3 yea the man said it himself
@@BadlandBullywho?
Two Puerto Ricans and two Jamaicans
😂😭
Jamaicans are still lying about Malcolm X being Jamaican. He's like a quarter Grenadian from his mom, but his dad is from Georgia.
@@phillybul215 Two Barbadians
@@guyfromhr846 No Jamaicam ever said that. Marcus Garvey is Jamaican and malcolm x father was a garveryite
@@sdatkbim slow lol, who’s the two barbadians? 😂
Grandmixer dst is about 60 yrs old and just found out he's half pr. Dj tex d half pr, Rocksteady dj half pr, dancing doug is 1/4 pr he found out when he was 16. What they all have in common is being raised in or participating in their Black American culture. No element of hip hop comes from pr culture nor jamaican culture.
Lord Jamar didn't start any controversies with the origination of Hip Hop he just defended who actually started it
He was on video saying otherwise in earlier years.
Where are you getting that information? Of who "actually started it"? Just curious if you grew up in the Bronx in the 70's?
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt None of these people claiming it were even alive. They think just because the people who was there looked like us, they can claim WE own it. At the end of the day idk why the very inception is even being argued when Latinos were undeniably part of the first 10 formative years that made it into what we know it as today - even if they wasn’t there day 1… why tf does it matter so much to folks who wasn’t even there either?
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt Lol stop it puerto ricans in the BRONX who're Crazy Legs age and/or older will tell you their parents didn't even accept black culture and deemed everything we did as demonic, Latinos literally fought to identify as white in America. Caribbeans, Puerto Ricans and Africans have zero influence on black americans.
@@BuffaloSouljaah yes
Skillionaire in the building!!!
I'm an og born in the middle 1960's.... all i know is from the things i had seen with my own eyes.... i knew crazy legs from inwood.. he lived around the corner from me. I saw cool herc from my childhood buddy whos pops lived in the morrisiana -highbridge section of the boggie down back in 74.... Latinos played a vital part of early hip hop from what i seen coming up as child in the 70s! I was 13 when i first saw grandmaster flash, coldcrush brothers, grand wizard theodore , love bug, grandmaster flowers, charlie chase, & the list goes on.....! I remember some of the main spots like club 371 off webster ave where the disco group GQ along with Keith Sweat use to perform before they got put on the map, T-Connection off gun hill & Arthur's Roundtable in Bx River were spots of the zulu nation. I remember a summer hip hop fest in orchard beach back 79 it went all night through sunday morning! When u didnt need a permit to have a party. U just did it! I can go on for days!
This like saying black ppl were in the same neighborhood as Latinos were creating salsa.. since some black ppl learned the dance,black ppl created salsa too
Salsa was created by Afro-Cubans, bad analogy
Surprise, surprise. Black people did create salsa
Afro Latinos did create it.
You must feel dumb now because you ever heard of Celia Cruz?
Yall missing the point. If white people were in the neighborhood and they started dancing and said we create it too.. make sense now? Smh
Math it’s only right that u have Tariq Nasheed on the show now !
Stop trying to avoid the truth and controlling the narrative !
Help protect the truth and history bro !!
Don’t do the work of the same ppl that once tried to blackball u !!
He’s from Oakland tho. He’s not qualified.
Hip Hop exclusively came from Black American Descendants of Slaves in the United States. Our cultural finger print is on every element in Hip Hop culture.
Black Americans (Freedman) have been here for half a millennium and we were in this land before any Caribbean immigrants came here and we already had very rich cultures before their arrival.
The first official Hip Hop emcee is Coke La Roc whose parents come from the Carolinas who was already in the Bronx doing early forms of Hip Hop before Kool Herc came in 1971. Coke La Roc is still alive.
The first Graffiti writer is a Black American man named Cornbread from Philadelphia who wrote Cornbread all city and did graffiti in 1967. Cornbread is still alive.
The first Hip Hop B Boys officially given the title “B Boy” by Kool Herc and Coke La Roc at the first Hip Hop jams are two Black Americans named Trixie and Bboy A1 Sasa. They both are still alive.
The first DJs were people like DJ Hollywood, Pete DJ Jones, Disco King Mario, Grand Master Flowers, DJ Smokey and John Brown who were Black Americans doing outdoor jams for crowds in Brooklyn and the Bronx before Kool Herc came.
The most popular Bboy break was from a Black American named James Brown and the song is called Give It Up Or Turn It A Loose.
The first unofficial Rap song is by a Black American man from South Carolina named Pig Meat Markham and the song was “Here Comes The Judge”.
The Black Spades who later became the Zulu Kings were the originators who were mostly Black Americans whose families came to New York from the South.
I can also talk about the Black American fashion that influenced the Caribbean immigrants in the late 60s early 70s. When Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans came to the US in the 70s they came with non name brand clothes and pointy dress shoes and got made fun of by Black Americans for how they dressed because they were not wearing the “Hip” clothes, like DJ Kool Herc described in one of his interviews were a Black American girl clowned his shoes and called the roach killers.
Caribbean’s had to ASSIMILATE into the dominant Black American urban city culture in the United States because we ran culture here. This is our land and our culture. It was to the point like Crazy Legs said about Red Alert, they had to hide their Caribbean identity to blend in with Black Americans and not be made fun of. Which MANY Caribbean immigrant children did to be accepted by Black Americans.
So let’s not continue these lies Fat Joe, KRS ONE, Busta Rhymes and Pete Rock told about Hip Hop being created 50/50 by Blacks and Latinos. They are telling stories from Puerto Ricans who came into Hip Hop in the late 70s when Hip Hop had been going on since at least 1967. Crazy Legs was not there in the beginning like he said so let an official originator tell the story.
He keeps saying people were half Puerto Rican, in the case of Tex, he found out he was half Puerto Rican when he was an adult when his father passed away and told him that. He never knew he was even half Puerto Rican until he was an ADULT, but he was culturally a Black American NOT Puerto Rican.
Shoutout people in the chat for keeping pressure and not letting Non FBA steal Our Creations… FBA 💪🏾
How can he talk ORGIN OF HIP HOP WHEN HE WAS NOT THERE FOR THE ORIGIN OF HIP HOP LMAOOOOOO THIS IS CRAZY
How many West Indians remembered being called Coconut!
HipHop never sampled latino and Jamaican music at its inception, daz a fact
Facts ..the first break beats was James Brown
No one said that lmao
@@godbodykarate2555 Puerto ricans said they created hip hop 🤡
@@عبدالقادرالجزائري-ف2ص no the fuck THEY didn't lmao and Lord Jamar y'all spoke person is half Guyanese his fucking self. Half his family did Caribbean shit. Keep listening to that paid agent lol. Never heard a Puerto Rican EVER say they invented hip hop lmao
No that's NOT a fact.
Flash came to Brooklyn to watch BK dj’s and took the name grand master from Flowers facts !
shame they want to keep brooklyn and queens out of the convo. than all the lies will stop
African Americans started it. Salute the Blackspades, Bronxdale Projects & Disco King Mario.
*"Why's he throwing himself on the floor, making us look, humiliating the family?.."* LOL
Latinos were witnesses, fans and participants.. nothing they created ...Blacks were the innovators and inventors... Just like ALL genres of music
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Being half puerto rican does not make you puerto rican puerto rican is not a race, it's a nationality.Why can't people get that straight
Crazy legs misses the point though. Puerto Ricans were there, but did not start it. There’s a Bboy documentary called the freshest kids and they would say that early on other Puerto Ricans would say “why you doing that Moreno dance?”. Puerto Ricans did blow up breakin though, so you have to give them their props for that. If they never got involved, the dance would’ve died in the 70s.
The first iteration of breaking which black Americans were doing looks completely different from modern day breaking though. PR brothers were inspired by the early black bboys and took the dance to a different level by giving it structure and created and innovated lots of foundational moves. Crazy Commaders, SalSoul, TBB, Starchild La Rock. All 1970s PR crews. To say the dance was created by one people is disingenuous.
@@grinchoi1 yeah you’re right, from what I’ve seen it was different in the early days. They would do more uprocking. When I say that the Puerto Ricans blew it up, I mean like how Rock Steady commercialized it for the world to see. If it wasn’t for Crazy Legs and Rock Steady, nobody would be bboying today. The dance was considered played out back in the late 70s early 80s before they made it cool again.
@@grinchoi1 also don’t forget the N*** twins. They were pioneers.
@@grinchoi1 They added to a creation they didn't help create anything, they added new dance moves. Same with Caribbeans and Africans with Hip-Hop/Rap. Puerto Ricans, Caribbeans and Africans have ZERO influence on black americans.
Yo stop blaming every Puerto Rican for what several Puerto Ricans say. I hate that s**t.
This guy Math said he’s from the island. Wow. These guys some transformers. Y’all know whose swag you’re imitating. Stop playing
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You can discuss how much you want, Hip Hop started by the black community! You can't change that.
if you from ny then you understand black and Puerto Ricans live in SAME community
@@bronxbomerpito7286 I know, but the black community create Hip Hop. That you can't change. The Puerto Ricans came late 70's in the culture of Hip Hop's first decade. .
@@Maurice572 bro how are you telling me about my family and its life.? you don't find that weird? look up the first rap albums.. just go look them up they are Puerto Rican dudes on them.. we were tagging up we were break dancing we were DJing and we are on the first rap albums.. CREATING THE CULTURE. this was never an issue until the new generation got on the internet.. play kids from Chicago Nevada Iowa telling me about my people jacking their culture 😂
@@bronxbomerpito7286 Whatever. Truth hurts 😉
I've always heard black ppl created all music, ppl only started disputing it when black ppl started specifically saying we created hip hop
The only problem people had was fat Joe saying it was 50-50. It’s no confusion. I’m from the Bronx too bro, crazy legs you are a legend but stop. A lot of Hispanics did not rock with hip-hop or black folks. I’m not lying bro and I’m no racist. Just speaking facts when money involve especially for us. That’s when everybody wants in. Hip-hop making a lot of folks Rich.
It started with the talks of reparations and some African Americans feeling if given it should only go to blacks who ancestors landed in America. Also, many who came from the Carribean would separate themselves from African Americans at certain times and now it's spreading throughout the culture.
Math Haffa's nd Crazy legs r both teathers
I believe this all started when Whites in comments sections started talking about being co-creators of Hip Hop.
Blacks and Puerto Ricans started hammering back at their nonsense. However, as P.R.s were responding, they were claiming themselves as being creators along with Blacks. Naturally, a lot of Blacks were rightfully correcting the P.R.s about them not being creators but rather being there and not fully participating.
Shortly after that, Lord Jamar stated(on a certain Russian/Jew's YT channel) that non-Blacks were actually guests in the house of Hip Hop, and everything went from 0-to-60 at that point.
Then, shortly after that, the wording for P.R.s became that they were the first students of Hip Hop.
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Whites in comments sections? WRONG! It’s y’all Puerto Ricans LYING about creating our BLACK American culture.
#MicrophoneCheck
Somebody get Lord Jamar on this, please.
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Lord Jamar called Crazy Legs out to have a live respectful conversation and Crazy legs went MIA but deliberately pops up on another pod cast that’s not really in tune with what’s going on. Thats so lame.
They only with us when it’s to their benefit
Nah it’s love beyond belief
In NYC its different.
@@LuisCaban-ud9tt always has been always will be
@@toxiccylonSalute FAMILIA
What exactly was the benefit back in the 70’s my guy??? We was all in the pj’s & absolutely no money was being made of hip-hop/rap back then…
Now i wouldn't have a issue if they say puerto ricans being in hip hop but to say the whole latinos help created hip hop is wild bro
Bro was a problem in dej jam ffny😂
Growing up I definitely experienced that I’m from Flatbush my dad from Jamaica and mom From Trinidad but I grew up in Williamsburg nothing but Puerto Ricans and Dominicans, I Use to lie about where I’m from sometimes cause niggas use to always HAVE THEM TYPE OF JOKES AT One point I told niggas I was Panamanian cause the climate was heavy at that point in time and niggas looked down on that but NOW WE’RE GLORIFIED! Making sure my daughter BE HAPPY WHERE SHE CAME FRM!
Afro-Caribbean American and proud my G!!! Don't hide or be ashamed of ya Caribbean culture and Haratige...Our history is hidden and deep.
@@Mize2dx 💯
Nobody was even thinking anybody other than hip hop is Black culture until it took over the world ..find somebody ..Puerto Rican or otherwise that was claiming Hip hop before like 3 years ago ..this is the phoniest thing ever
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It’s simple!! Some black kids in the Bronx created hiphop and everyone in the neighbourhood loved it, black, brown etc 💯
If Latinos help create hip-hop, why aren’t they still creating instead of continuously imitating?
They are tho , having different branches of music I'm pretty sure you heard these 3, Bad Bunny , El Alfa, Peso Pluma all different genres & I'm African American
@@geesavv265just stop it.
@@clockwork9825 I don't hate if you can make platinum records then you doing something 💯
@@geesavv265 not influential to black people whatsoever. Caribbeans, Latinos nor do Africans influence Black Americans.
But they do tho, Cubans and Puerto Ricans have Mambo and Salsa, Colombians have Vallenato Dominicans have Bachata and Merengue. Reggaeton which was derrived for Reggae was made a culture by Puerto Ricans and the list goes on and on
IM PUERTO RICAN BORN N RAISED IN THE BRONX. BROOK AVE SOUTH BRONX. WHERE HIPHOP WAS CREATED BUT CMON KRAZY LEGS HIPHOP IS BLACK CULTURE. YES WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING BUT WE DIDNT CREATE IT. WE ARE BLACKS TOO ITS IN OUR DNA BUT GIVE OUR BLACKS FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THEIR JUST DO. THEY ARE THE CREATORS THEY CREATED US TOO. fast forward lets not act like their wasn’t racism too. latins who hated black people who was mad at u for being around blacks. when you went to prison the latins wanted you to be part of them in rikers island when they were oppressing people which is why bloods was created cuz the latins were hateful towards blacks and jamaicans were in there too against blacks. in 93 blacks had to create bloods cuz there were too many latin kings in there attacking blacks
There's no such thing as a half Puerto Rican you either born in P.R. or not what you are is mixed race and Puerto Rican is not a race
Um if your mom is black and your father is Puerto Rican you're HALF PUERT RICAN. Get a calculator. 100% divided by 2 = 50% / 50%. 50%= half
@@LuisCaban-ud9ttthere is a difference between race and nationality…. Start there to understand the concept
@@sohodonhalf Puerto Rican half Blk American is still half. Unless you’re denouncing PR as its own entity you’re wrong
@@sohodon Puerto Ricans are literally tri-racial people.....
Black isn’t a race either
Disappointed in the dismissal of giving the FBA full credit for CREATING the Hip Hop Culture. Doing so does not discredit the PRs and the Black Caribbeans contributions/origins. What’s the agenda? Is it grant money & corporate donations that’s now going towards the culture and HH. Museum in the Bronx?
#MicrophoneCheck
When people show thier true colors...accept it and move accordingly
What did he say? He said a Black gang called the "BLACK SPADES" led by Bam in the 1970s brought unity through Hip-hop and formed ZULU. "A Black gang" not Puerto Ricans.
The Black Spades were "mostly" black. Mostly meaning not the entire gang was black, and who else was in the Black spades? Get your shit together.
@starrican8311 Bam renamed his group ZULU Nation. After a South African tribe called "ZULU". The Black Spades started off all black.....
@starrican8311 black spades was a black gang, they had some Spanish members but it was a black gang. Same way Latin kings has blacks and whites in NY but we know it be a latino gang. Even the Bloods is a black gang, Lotta Hispanic members but the foundation of it is black. That's the problem right there, other cultures not wanting to acknowledge following behind Blacks. That's why we are having this debate now
hip hop was the sound of the streets at that time and was created out of the backlash to the bougie disco era to give voice and an outlet to the voiceless and an alternative to the gang wars of the time. Hip Hop could only have been created in NYC, particularly in the Bronx with its confluence of different cultures and vibes. All you have to do is listen to the early music and the samples being used from various genres to create a new sound and original in its inception. Not all of those influences were black, but they were the vanguard that led the movement forward for sure. It was inclusive and that's what made it funky fresh and full of energy that cannot be replicated again. Charlie Chase was the DJ of Cold Crush, Tito of the Fearless Four, countless latino DJ's brought their sets out to the parks, breakers, the graffiti writers on the bench at 149th street train station, so PRs where involved from the jump. If someone wants to claim this or that, cool - everyone has an opinion but it misses the point. Its about elevating the art form and your fellow man
Pr's were not involved from the jump. If that were, then Hip Hop would ve full of Puerto Rican cultural elements, influences, early precursors, and transfers🤦🏽♂️
This a ridiculous conversation black Americans started hip-hop and there is no debate. We started rock country, soul, r&b, with no help its no different with hip hop
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I remember going to the Copacabana in the mid-2000s when the jawn was across the street from the Jacob Javits Center. The main floor played Latin music. The lower level played rap and R&B.
Guess what group of people dominated which floor...
That subtle separation had let me know who were the originators of Hip-Hop.
Everybody keeps saying that music is only one aspect of Hip-Hop, but that was the foundation for the other elements.
You needed so people can break, pop lock and dance.
Black Americans created it.
Puerto Ricans and West Indians helped decorate it.
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Y’all not with us y’all just the best at faking it
"The best at faking it"
Yeah bro is easy to fake the struggle of living in poverty in the Bronx during the baby stages of hip hop 😂😂
Adversity shows true colors....
@@jeanpayano1506 OGs say y’all wasn’t there little sis
they act like this thing called hip hop just fell out the sky .this is generation of black american living
This deserves so many more subs!
Mrs Bambaataa Campbell is gonna love this episode😂😂😂
As a life long Brooklynite, It's always baffling to hear outta towners talk like they know sh!t about NYC or know who was living in NYC in the 70s. Its hard to imagine a cultural upsurge such as hip-hop happening in the Bronx and no Puerto Ricans and other Caribbeans was there....they buggin...
They were there watching but they didn't create shit. Hip hop is black American cultural music with the influences from our elders such as James Brown😂
Yea, fans don’t write raps either, but they r at the concert or party. Words couldn’t express how ashamed and embarrassed I’d b, this is a horrible look. I don’t think folk understand the look. We get it, Hip Hop is cool lol!!!
The originators of hip hop is a interesting one!! In UK some claimed drum & bass, broken beat, dubstep originated here, in its present form maybe but they always give timeline credit to hip hop for the drums, Chicago house for the melodies & Fela Kuti for rhythms as it takes all to make all!! Watching Wild Style its clear to see the culture was racially diverse but further back only those there will really know!! Looking for the inception of anything we always find a catalyst that influenced the present form! Tracing things back sometimes the links are not always clearly seen as so many diverse strands come into play beyond our sight!!!
I'm older than hip-hop. High School years were 1977 - 1981 - They use to call it UP-ROCK (UP-ROCKING) and it was black - Germans or Meda-Medas (What we called ALL LATINOS) who were there - Shit - I had a Philipino friend that was wild with it. NY being the so call melting pot meant it was more than just black americans who contributed to the culture.
factsss!! we called them Germans in the Island IYKYK
Some backgrounds may been around no one really disputed that the problem we have is what fat joe and some ricans saying they created hip hop 50/50 with black which is a lie
@realfloxks__0637 if fat joe said that..he dead wrong..but..he's speaking from his perspective and the bronx back then then was predominantly gwala-gwalas...but we k ow who created hip hop....
Yardman dem...LOL
And that's why a lot of us couldn't stand Brooklyn. Germans and Meda Medas?? (Which is spelled wrong) It's Mira. Makes us feel like you look down upon us or you could call us whatever you want and nothing will come out of it. Both sides deserve respect.
@@hectorrivera8521 The guy from the Thread clearly said Latinos were there.. in no type of disrespect
If anyone denies that ricans don’t have. A huge part of the beginning of hip hop is a denialists!!!! From graffiti to breakdancing to dj to MC THEY CONTRIBUTED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT DEFINES HIP HOP LIFESTYLE
Peace to the god shout out to that silk city shirt he got on Paterson n.j right across the water alot of history in our city 👍🏿👍🏿💯
Congrats on a Milly I remember when you was at 30k congratulations
Cholly Rock and some of the other Black Spades are on record telling the REAL beginning of hip hop. I don't understand why we are talking, or listening to ANYBODY else. This constant interviewing of Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans don't make any damn sense.
This guy is just talking!!! 🇯🇲 🇺🇸
No one said you were not there why do they try the bait and switch LOL. Math you started it when Bigga said hip hop was carribean and Clark Kent said American blacks have no culture. Oh and lets not forget when you asked Kid Capri was hip hop Jamaican and he looked you all in the face and told you it's Black American. Everyone in this clip was disingenuous, for no reason. If we all one then you would simply say we saw something happening and wanted to be a part of it but Blacks were doing it all first. Simple if you were really real. Come on guys
Hoffa is son of immigrant
@@tadah21 math is an immigrant so dats why he lowkey co-sign dis shidd
@@URFAVTROLL 💯
Remember these immigrants are taught they're better than us Black Americans. Yet they cosplay as Black Americans its pathetic
@URFAVTROLL tethering at its finest. He's no immigrant but his parents are. He doesn't get up on that mic and present himself as a Bajan though everything about him screams Black America so I can't fathom why these people will sit up and say Americans have no culture when they are running with our whole swagger.
The disrespect, he couldnt just not use that N word but we together though🤦🏿♂️
Funny how He aint have no knowledgeable blk americans up there 🤔
We all know Maf aint ftom our stock
this is more propaganda. #MicrophoneCheck
we need tex hollywood crazy legs, whipper whip jamar, afrikan vambata, krs all on one show
Crazy legs , you don’t know history
5:30 a "jam" itself in that context is Black American slang
2 PR’s - I know it’s finna be some revising of history goin on 🤦🏾♂️😆
You would think that and I'm Latino. I don't know about Crazy Legs. But TH3 is/was like me always the only Latino in a crew of a Black Americans. I've heard him say my people were on some bullshit when he was coming up and he would check them. With all that said I can see him like myself having absolutely no problem saying Hip Hop was created by Black Americans. Yes we contributed but we did not create Hip Hop.
@@GOILL facts, I agree THIII kept it a lot more real than CL. And yea I’ve been hip to the Lo-Life’s since 00’ (even tho they go back to the 80’s) so I know who he grew up around. I just want ALL truths to be told if people gone talk.
@@GOILL 🫡
@@brashadp the interview I am recalling by memory was him going to the PR parade and he headed up there with his crew. Long story short the organizers wanted to judge him because of his crew. He was like naw if you do that I'm out of here plain and simple. I'm Guatemalan and we have the smallest percentage of African in our bloodline but we have the very proud Guarifuna people who are Guatemalan and as African as you can get with the culture music and food. 😂 What's funny when people ask me if I'm half Black because I get along with Black Americans so well I tell them man look at my hair one of my ancestors was like I like that Chocolate over there 😂
@@GOILLyou claim to be “latino” but that’s a made up term by the US government to bunch all Spanish speaking people into one bunch. Nobody actually speaks Latin anymore & the French named Latin America. Most Latino/ Hispanic just accept whatever Spain told them to. PRs are mixed with African
Lol perfect, after that debauchery at the Olympics!!!
Stop with the propaganda. Hip hop is ours.
It’s not yours if you don’t own it.
This what happens when you invite anyone and everyone with a little rhythm “to the bbq” smh
@@mackl8305 what bbq are you talking about? Seems like guys like Lucien owns your bbq while you squabble with Ricans about nonsense. Sad
Y'all some young cornballs look up Rock Steady Crew from the 80's half was Puerto Rican ever heard of Charlie Chase? of course not your hip-hop knowledge goes back as far as Chief Keef
@@senorc4416lmao shut up your a fan of black culture and without black people or our contributions to the world you would literally die out so just shut up be humble and grateful boy
Latinos had nothing to do with the creation...but they did participate...
This rewriting of Hip-Hop history, especially the anti-Puerto Rican and anti-imigrant part - maybe wasn't started by but is being spearheaded behind the scenes and in front of the scenes by Tariq Nasheed. He is selective about when he wants to come across as pro-Black diaspora but time and time again he also shows how he is low key very much in line with far right politics; especially when it comes to race and ethnicity. He now has a hard on to misinform and create division in culture of Hip-Hop. He's even enrolling so-called representatives of Hip-Hop culture to spread his misinformation to the masses. And homie isn't even of the culture and never even had any close proximity to the culture. He isn't credible in Hip-Hop culture and nobody in real Hip-Hop culture can vouch for him either. He seems to be attempting to create a movement of Afro-descendant fundamental Black Americans that look down on other Afro-descendants and people of color with contempt and disdain. He's an agent of division in sheep's clothing...
You're speaking facts
Heard a rumor about why he wasn't a judge at the breakdancing Olympics🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️📸
If you didn't grow up in The Bronx in the 1970's, you can't be speaking on this. True New Yorkers know what the deal is. Blacks and Puerto Ricans were both there, because hip hop came out of the ghettos of The Bronx. The ghettos of The Bronx in the 1970's were mostly Blacks and Puerto Ricans.
Exactly- and if you was in single digits in the 70’s what jam were you getting in- gtfoh! Charlie Rock who i believe is in his 60’s or early 70’s said it best- “ half these cats claiming shit were toddlers in the early 70’s - how you talking about something you weren’t old enough to be involved in- wtf?
Puerto Ricans called hip Hop jungle music at first don't rewrite history
Yes exactly. But what I don't like is this "Latino" sh!t. Using loose terms to falsely include all, as opposed to being precise about "Puerto Ricans and Blacks". Not no dam Latinos, whatever TF that even is.
@@boxchevyrollinbig facts. I remember this Puerto Rico cat when I was in 3rd grade used to call me fish lip monkey. These cats playing dumb now
@@boxchevyrollin That's what the DJ's At WBLS and 98.7 kiss called Reggae, Jungle music. That's why they wouldn't play It🤔
BEING AROUND DONT MEAN YOU CONTRIBUTED TO SOMETHING DUDE