James Michael Sorry to hear that, I just wonder if us men are doing anything about all the injustices happening, are we fighting for legislation to change? And if we are, are we being heard? Or do we “just take it like a man”?
There should be a law that states any woman accusing a man of being the "baby daddy" needs to have a court ordered paternity test prior. End of story, that will solve any and all issues pertaining to child support cases and fraud.
I find it "distasteful" that some woman who has no sense of responsibility can arbitrarily pick any man and start taking money from him. He should not be held responsible for her lousy decisions. That should be on her.
Look at the case is Detroit where the mother wanted to get welfare and put a dude down as the father while he was in prison so she can collect welfare. Meanwhile welfare took him to court even after they proved he wasn't the father and the frickin bitch judge STILL said he has to pay $30,000 or face incarceration. It's sickening!
Are you kidding me, a judge has the power to force men to pay child support. Even if their is no proof that he is the father. And even if their is proof, he still has to pay? And women still believe that their the ones being discriminated against.
COVERartistLOL Yes. Never sign a birth certificate until you have a paternity test. You are considered by the STATE to be the father. If you are married and the child is the result of adultery, you are still considered to be the father by the STATE.
Not once was the women rebuked or even questioned, even though she was the one that clearly cheated and committed fraud. The system is clearly rigged against men. The judge had the nerve to tell the man that defending himself was 'wrong' and rebuked him for 'bastardizing' the child, even though it was the women who clearly did that. The system needs to be reeled in because they have gone too far.
Somebody said it before. DNA testing should be REQUIRED today before EVERY childbirth in the United States and DEFINITELY before any support order is granted
There should be DNA testing whenever a fathers name is put on a Birth Certificate. Hello feminists...What part of family courts is gender bent is eluding you? You all deny it and insult any man who has experienced it that says it happens. And yet we see more and more of these stories popping up in the feminist controlled media.
There needs to be a law on the books that require all children born to be DNA tested to determine true parentage. It would serve two fold. It would not only prevent a man from being a victim of paternity fraud, it would also keep a man from denying parentage as well.
It doesn't matter. If a judge decides it's "In the best interest of the child" then you're on the hook no matter what. The silver lining is child support enforcement is illegal...or at least the way they go about doing it. And "child support" is not for the benefit of the child or "custodial parent" anyway.
What the fuck? He has to payback back child support on a fraudulent child support case. The judge should be impeached and disbarred! Is this still America?
Sad The real victim is the child. Where is the real Dad? 1) DNA testing should be done on all births. 2) The person paying child-support should file a Civil Lawsuit on the State of Tennessee a (T.O.R.T.). This guy should be able to to get his money back with interest at least. 3) I think the female should go to prison for fraud accusing him of being the father when he wasn't.
"I find it very distasteful that you're bastardizing a child". "No, his mother's actions did that. I find it very distasteful that you allow her to keep raiding my pockets when we ALL know that's not my kid".
This how the family court system perpetuates the system. The system needs to be fixed and wayward mothers who keep making these babies should be held accountable for their bad choices...
Remember that time when be innocent actually meant something? Nowadays if you are male you are guilty by default. You will be force to pay not only for a child you didnt want but also for a child that is not yours.
theresa moore Well not everyone we have sex we are planing build a family, and ya sometimes shit happen but woman is the only one with the power to decide. what I think is comic is , in one hand we are fight to give freedom for woman to even get an abortion but in the other hand now we have to pay for child that is not even ours. Too much for equality huh lol
+theresa moore I agree with that so here is a very easy deal. whenever woman get pregnant if the man decided to keep the child she must go with it, give birth and pay child support. what do you think? Coz both man and woman fuck up sometimes the difference is you dont see anyone trying to force woman to have baby she dont want and pay for it.
@#%*. .... (that's my brain overload) but any way maybe they should start doing DNA test on baby as soon as it is born so they can get their coins right off the bat.....
The state doesn't care who pays, fair or not, as long as someone except the state pays. They make the rules, so they make them to protect the state, not you.
Why was this judge not forcibly removed from the juvenile court bench? "I don't like that you're bastardizing the child?"? Uhh, it's not his responsibility!
What, that's it? No happy ending? This is insane! I've just spent half an hour looking at tons of similar cases. Why is noone doing anything about this?
ANY MAN WHO IS FOUND NOT TO BE THE FATHER OF A CHILD, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY BACK CHILD SUPPORT! THAT SHELBY COUNTY KUDGE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THROWN IN PRISON FOR THIS; THIS IS SO VERY WRONG ON ALL LEVELS; THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY SUCH THING AS PAYING BACK CHILS SUPPORT WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND TO NOT BE THE REAL FATHER OF ANY CHILD; THIS JUDGE IS WRONG FOR THIS!, AND WE ALL KNOW IT! WHY WOULD THIS CORRUPT JUDGE DO THAT TO THIS MAN, AFTER FINDING OUT THAT HE IS NOT THE FATHER OF THIS CHILD?! NO MAN SHOULD BE FIRCED TO PAY ANY BACK CHILD SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE IS NOT THE FATHER! THIS GOES TO PROVE TO YOU THAT CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE! AND IT IS GETTING WORSE EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY! SHAME ON THAT JUDGE IN SHELBY COUNTY! GOD WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR RUINING THIS MAN'S LIFE!
This is horrible that he had to pay child support for a child that everyone knows is not his. The type of fraud against men is more common than people know.
In one case a wife and husband were married 17 years. He found out his 2 oldest kids weren’t his. The judge ordered him not to tell the kids he wasn’t their dad. He did. And the judge ordered him to still pay child support and gave mom full custody with no visitation. So he’s paying for kids he can’t see and aren’t his
I'm in Tennessee and still involved in this myself my wife cheated on me then left me for the child's father remarried him even changed the child's last name to his but the judge says my name is on the birth certificate so i pay even after all this
Disgusting behaviour and moral corruption by everyone involved except you and the child. If you can, escape overseas and try to build a new life for yourself.
This is how monsters are created, the people that are supposed to protect you, are the ones oppressing you. It always ends up the same. You can only take the piss for so long, one day, some guy would snap. The sad thing is, among the heads that'll role, would be innocent ones. Keep taking the piss...
think about this - this woman slept with another man - knows this man is not the father, but she is still taking the money from this man this is the true nature of a woman!!!! pure evil
common mistakes. 1 signing a birth certificate, thats a legal document, a damning one .. ( when you sign , its too late , you cannot fix that) 2. living in another state.. Stay in the state till a court ruling is made, moving doubles your payments. 3. If you have a good job when the lady says " im pregnant" it might be a good time to lose your job via slip and fall.. You already know she will quit hers, and the courts look at both incomes to decide what you owe,.
NOW for the younger guys reading this .. 2 instincts you have " ill make it work with her " WRONG " ill be the good guy to avoid being called a deadbeat " WRONG its not gonna work out in most cases.. Otherwise, there would be no child support judges, lawyers, mediators, or laws. You wont make it work because if things are a bit rough now, wait till after theres a kid.. As far as being called a " deadbeat" youre going to be called that NO MATTER HOW MUCH you pay or how involved you get.. You will really be a deadbeat when youre 30 or so and all your friends are buying houses, driving new cars,and getting married and you cannot afford to do any of that.. And you dont have the credit , even if you did have the money . All your opportunities are gone, so even when your motivated and decide" ill go back to school to do xyz ", you cant afford to do both school and the child support. So lets say tou do have the money , you go back to school, get that nursing degree, and a good paying job.. GUESS what, the courts find out , now your child support just Doubled. You may ask " if i dont support the kid , who will"?? The government grants MOMS way more than you can ever pay, and thats why states are encouraged to go after you first.
Rob M That sounds good in theory but a married man is automatically considered the legal father of any child born of the marriage whether he is the biological father or not. Very very scary!
It's Catch-22 if you sign papers claiming fatherhood since if you sign, you are responsible and if you don't sign then you're held responsible and either way, you pay. This ain't right. By attaching the non-father you take away from his ability to have a family by forcing him to pay for someone else's.
I just read another article where this happened to a man in Florida. I'm starting to see it's getting to be the norm, which is highly unfair. It's bad enough to learn that you were betrayed by your significant other but then to have the state turn around and throw salt in your wounds by insisting you pay child support on top of everything is terrible. I personally think DNA tests should become a requirement before any man signs a birth certificate. It should become standard whether you are married to the female or not. I mean if you are going to sign a legal document claiming something to be true shouldn't you be 100% sure?
Expert says that guy who won judgement will never see the money. How about putting out arrest warrants and jailing the woman until she changes her mind the way that they are doing to men who are behind on payments? That might work.
WHat I learn from these cases is that courts do not really want to punish mothers for anything. Unless she harms the child, she can do anything she wants to the father.
How does the victim of fraud still get charged any bill? Corrupt courts much? My sister is dealing with this kind of thing. She got assaulted by an adopted child, and when that child went to jail...yup, you guessed it, the courts ordered her to pay into the state for 'child care rendered' after the assault to the tune of $1,400 a month while in jail. What do these folks needs to do to get justice?
I'm also going through this 27yrs now screw my ex she's written about everything from very beginning my son's just to far brain washed as I was for years
This is shocking. Men need to get together and do some sort of class action against having to pay child support prior to having a DNA test done, or when the DNA proves you are NOT the father. I don't know all the legal rules about this, but I do know it definitely needs to be changed. Surely it is fraud.
Donnie Maddox Sorry I didnt realize it had been attempted. It is a terrible injustice and even as a woman it makes my blood boil so I can only imagine how these men must feel.
Kathryn Thorne Thank you. MRA's and Avoiceformen gets a bad rep, but this is the kind of thing they try to fight. Maybe you should swing by their site. Again, thanks for the confidence. Much appreciated.
What can you do legally when you have been found to be the father through a DNA test but you never had sexual relations with the mother? If misconduct is proven or at least suspected are you able to sue the mother and the county or only one of them?
I wouldn't pay a damned dime and you wanna toss me in jail FIne then you really AIN"t gonna get shit from me and I still got a roof over my head food in my gut and basic bare necessaties.
This is just one more of the dangerous symptoms of a dying society. Unwed pregnancy USED TO BE the exception in this country. When I was a girl, young females who Broke The Rules and got pregnant were quickly and quietly married to the other half of the problem when practicable, or sent off to live with "relatives" far out of town. This extra-marital MIS-behavior wasn't just 'frowned upon", it was lectured against in no uncertain terms. We as a society have allowed our culture to sink pretty damn low.
This man needs to demand a jury trial and his lawyer needs to have the balls to demand the jury be informed of their power to find this man not guilty. The judge is a corrupt pig, as is anyone who thinks this is reasonable.
Keith Pickelhaupt unfortunately if he demands a jury trial, he would have to pay for that trial. At least in Texas that is what happens when a father wants a jury trial.
Them useless judges should have to pay the child support back,it's Freud by the corrupt court, bet they get there cut of everything that comes thur there courts.
I've always thought it should have been law for everybody to take a DNA test after having a child. Even if you're married. I even created a petition for this but when I was only 22 years old. I wish I can edit it.
neun Arme I created that petition way back in 2001 and a lot of women were literally crucifying me about it. I told them if they had nothing to hide, I don't see why they have a problem with it. I now have an 11 year old daughter and even though she's the splitting image of her father, I wouldn't care if he asked for a DNA test. I told him that he could have done one a long time ago.
Vanity Posh Funny how people sometimes reject simple efficacious solutions. Cool you've got young daughter, 11? it's gonna be the beginning of problems now. Just kidding. And by the way, is your avatar a picture of you? If so, you look great.
What happens when you sue the judge for enabling the mother of Paternity Fraud? Sure, we may not undo the judges order, but does that mean people can't sue the judge for mishandling evidence on a false accusation?
nope. Judges don't have to answer to anyone. Half the time the don't even care about the law. Especially is lower courts where no opinion is written about the decisions which are made. If you want any justice, you need to pay thousands to appeal to supreme court so that they at least have to legally justify their rungs.
You under estimate the power of the judges in this law system. They can basically do what they whatever they want and if they really do something illegal when judging you, the average joe cant pay for all the suing against them. Only rich guys can defend themselves.
Why? Because they have a warm body there already paying, so if they let him off the hook, then they would have to start footing the bill in welfare benefits, or trying to track down the biological father. That costs money so better that these poor saps pay, than the state i.e. the taxpayer!
Probably because most of these guys are in prison or on welfare. The system trusts that the woman will usually pick the man with the most income and say that he is the father.
If it has been proven that he is not the child's father and the state continues to make him pay then I feel the state should have to pay him his money back period.
My brother went threw this driver license stripped him being a firefighter. To pay for a child support on a child she already had before they got together plus his own child with her. The funny thing is state was automatically taking it out his paycheck before he got his paycheck... now explain that...then they gave proof to the court after still getting billed for the child ..there excuse for 1 year was well we lost the paperwork.
so one judge cannot undo another's decision hmm that's an outright lie. So how is it decades later with new forensic test murder convictions are overturned but you can't change an unjust support order. people think for yourselves. Also he should sue her and have her income garnished for damages. take her car her house seize bank accounts turn her ass inside out it can be done...
In some states you CAN be forced to pay child support for a child that is no yours. One midwest states law says if you provided all the support of a childs father you can be held responsible for child support in a divorce even though the child is not yours.
DNA tests can be used to determine a man should pay child support if the biological father, why can't it be used to disprove paternity and absolve the non-biological father of financial responsibility. The judge isnt the father either, should he/she pay child support too if the mother puts the judges name on the certificate?
Paternity fraud should be a felony.
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I agree.
@James Michael Why did you lose 25 years my friend?
James Michael Sorry to hear that, I just wonder if us men are doing anything about all the injustices happening, are we fighting for legislation to change? And if we are, are we being heard? Or do we “just take it like a man”?
When is that going to happen??????????
How come the dishonest mothers aren't charged with perjury or falsifying a document ?? I wonder .........
Heimdall all seeing They should be.
I think them lowdown bitches should be charged 😠😠
Because you live under Whore Supremacy......a lying woman gains no charge for False Accusations.
Her plausible deniability is....."I didn't know....."
@@charlesmerchant4762 exactly
They will be now. Tennessee made paternity fraud illegal.
There should be a law that states any woman accusing a man of being the "baby daddy" needs to have a court ordered paternity test prior. End of story, that will solve any and all issues pertaining to child support cases and fraud.
True that
That's real talk. They gave this dude a child and he ask for DNA test.
The judge is an idiot. The child was already a bastard. Smh lol
Thats right DNA Should be done before one of the parties could collect
Maybe people ought to keep there pants on unless there married whitch would solve everything
I find it "distasteful" that some woman who has no sense of responsibility can arbitrarily pick any man and start taking money from him. He should not be held responsible for her lousy decisions. That should be on her.
Look at the case is Detroit where the mother wanted to get welfare and put a dude down as the father while he was in prison so she can collect welfare. Meanwhile welfare took him to court even after they proved he wasn't the father and the frickin bitch judge STILL said he has to pay $30,000 or face incarceration. It's sickening!
Facts
Are you kidding me, a judge has the power to force men to pay child support. Even if their is no proof that he is the father. And even if their is proof, he still has to pay?
And women still believe that their the ones being discriminated against.
Feminists dont want to talk about this issue
COVERartistLOL Yes. Never sign a birth certificate until you have a paternity test. You are considered by the STATE to be the father. If you are married and the child is the result of adultery, you are still considered to be the father by the STATE.
Paul Petrovich You see, he didn't sign *anything*. The woman put him down as the father and that's enough for him to have to pay.
It gets worse. There are cases where the father has full custody of the kid but still has to pay child support to the mother.
Women don't want equal rights; they want superior rights!!
Crooked judges. Crooked legal system
It's obvious. The state doesn't want to foot the bill for this child's welfare.
Bastardizing the child? The child was already a bastard. Take that shit up with the mother!
You’re 💯 percent correct
this is absolutely sickening, and that judge shouldn't be in power
Completely agree.
Fathers and men are the only category of people who society treats this way.
Not once was the women rebuked or even questioned, even though she was the one that clearly cheated and committed fraud. The system is clearly rigged against men. The judge had the nerve to tell the man that defending himself was 'wrong' and rebuked him for 'bastardizing' the child, even though it was the women who clearly did that. The system needs to be reeled in because they have gone too far.
In pretty much every sense, women escape scrutiny and criticism due to their biological function of bearing children.
Fuck it, send me to JAIL !
I will NOT pay support for someone else's child !
Somebody said it before. DNA testing should be REQUIRED today before EVERY childbirth in the United States and DEFINITELY before any support order is granted
There should be DNA testing whenever a fathers name is put on a Birth Certificate.
Hello feminists...What part of family courts is gender bent is eluding you? You all deny it and insult any man who has experienced it that says it happens. And yet we see more and more of these stories popping up in the feminist controlled media.
Feminist Ideology dictates they will fight against this legislation.....
The state prefers the status quo because it keeps the state from paying for a shit ton of illegitimate kids.
There needs to be a law on the books that require all children born to be DNA tested to determine true parentage. It would serve two fold. It would not only prevent a man from being a victim of paternity fraud, it would also keep a man from denying parentage as well.
It would also prevent any confusion for the child on who their real father is.
DNA test right after birth
It doesn't matter. If a judge decides it's "In the best interest of the child" then you're on the hook no matter what. The silver lining is child support enforcement is illegal...or at least the way they go about doing it. And "child support" is not for the benefit of the child or "custodial parent" anyway.
What the fuck? He has to payback back child support on a fraudulent child support case. The judge should be impeached and disbarred! Is this still America?
Y'know, Patriarchy.
At the end of the day, its not about the child. It about the government getting its money, right or wrong
Sad The real victim is the child. Where is the real Dad?
1) DNA testing should be done on all births.
2) The person paying child-support should file a Civil Lawsuit on the State of Tennessee a (T.O.R.T.). This guy should be able to to get his money back with interest at least.
3) I think the female should go to prison for fraud accusing him of being the father when he wasn't.
True too!!
@@leninyoh ypur exactly right
I agree with the man.. this coach should be taking a task over, allowing this fraud, forcing meant to pay for children, who are not theirs.
"I find it very distasteful that you're bastardizing a child". "No, his mother's actions did that. I find it very distasteful that you allow her to keep raiding my pockets when we ALL know that's not my kid".
This how the family court system perpetuates the system. The system needs to be fixed and wayward mothers who keep making these babies should be held accountable for their bad choices...
Before child support is ordered. There should be a mandatory DNA tests...
Momma's will lie
The movie Devils Advocate! Satan chose law because it was evil, crooked,unethical and injustice can hide behind "Its the law"!!
Remember that time when be innocent actually meant something?
Nowadays if you are male you are guilty by default.
You will be force to pay not only for a child you didnt want but also for a child that is not yours.
ohhhh didn't want..... I know ur keeping it 100 but that was harsh
theresa moore Well not everyone we have sex we are planing build a family, and ya sometimes shit happen but woman is the only one with the power to decide.
what I think is comic is , in one hand we are fight to give freedom for woman to even get an abortion but in the other hand now we have to pay for child that is not even ours.
Too much for equality huh lol
Men have the power too.....they just choose not to use them cause it feels better....LAT, (laugh at that)
+theresa moore I agree with that so here is a very easy deal. whenever woman get pregnant if the man decided to keep the child she must go with it, give birth and pay child support. what do you think?
Coz both man and woman fuck up sometimes the difference is you dont see anyone trying to force woman to have baby she dont want and pay for it.
@#%*. .... (that's my brain overload) but any way maybe they should start doing DNA test on baby as soon as it is born so they can get their coins right off the bat.....
the woman made her child a bastard not the innocent man
The state doesn't care who pays, fair or not, as long as someone except the state pays. They make the rules, so they make them to protect the state, not you.
Put a Judge on the birth certificate and see how fast the law gets changed.
Why was this judge not forcibly removed from the juvenile court bench? "I don't like that you're bastardizing the child?"? Uhh, it's not his responsibility!
What, that's it? No happy ending? This is insane!
I've just spent half an hour looking at tons of similar cases. Why is noone doing anything about this?
ANY MAN WHO IS FOUND NOT TO BE THE FATHER OF A CHILD, SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY ANY BACK CHILD SUPPORT! THAT SHELBY COUNTY KUDGE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND THROWN IN PRISON FOR THIS; THIS IS SO VERY WRONG ON ALL LEVELS; THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY SUCH THING AS PAYING BACK CHILS SUPPORT WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND TO NOT BE THE REAL FATHER OF ANY CHILD; THIS JUDGE IS WRONG FOR THIS!, AND WE ALL KNOW IT! WHY WOULD THIS CORRUPT JUDGE DO THAT TO THIS MAN, AFTER FINDING OUT THAT HE IS NOT THE FATHER OF THIS CHILD?! NO MAN SHOULD BE FIRCED TO PAY ANY BACK CHILD SUPPORT, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE IS NOT THE FATHER! THIS GOES TO PROVE TO YOU THAT CORRUPTION IS EVERYWHERE! AND IT IS GETTING WORSE EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY! SHAME ON THAT JUDGE IN SHELBY COUNTY! GOD WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR RUINING THIS MAN'S LIFE!
This is horrible that he had to pay child support for a child that everyone knows is not his. The type of fraud against men is more common than people know.
In one case a wife and husband were married 17 years. He found out his 2 oldest kids weren’t his. The judge ordered him not to tell the kids he wasn’t their dad. He did. And the judge ordered him to still pay child support and gave mom full custody with no visitation. So he’s paying for kids he can’t see and aren’t his
It's all a racket for the state in the name of Children
I'm in Tennessee and still involved in this myself my wife cheated on me then left me for the child's father remarried him even changed the child's last name to his but the judge says my name is on the birth certificate so i pay even after all this
Disgusting behaviour and moral corruption by everyone involved except you and the child.
If you can, escape overseas and try to build a new life for yourself.
How did this end up for you? You ex-wife could just give you the miney back every month or quarter. That is wickedvif she doesn't.
Pathetic. They always want to look like a victim.
This is how monsters are created, the people that are supposed to protect you, are the ones oppressing you. It always ends up the same. You can only take the piss for so long, one day, some guy would snap. The sad thing is, among the heads that'll role, would be innocent ones. Keep taking the piss...
Family court attorneys say get a court order saying that you ARE the father??!!!!!Complete and utter nonsense.
This is slavery.
think about this - this woman slept with another man - knows this man is not the father, but she is still taking the money from this man
this is the true nature of a woman!!!!
pure evil
common mistakes.
1 signing a birth certificate, thats a legal document, a damning one .. ( when you sign , its too late , you cannot fix that)
2. living in another state.. Stay in the state till a court ruling is made, moving doubles your payments.
3. If you have a good job when the lady says " im pregnant" it might be a good time to lose your job via slip and fall.. You already know she will quit hers, and the courts look at both incomes to decide what you owe,.
NOW for the younger guys reading this .. 2 instincts you have
" ill make it work with her " WRONG
" ill be the good guy to avoid being called a deadbeat " WRONG
its not gonna work out in most cases.. Otherwise, there would be no child support judges, lawyers, mediators, or laws.
You wont make it work because if things are a bit rough now, wait till after theres a kid..
As far as being called a " deadbeat" youre going to be called that NO MATTER HOW MUCH you pay or how involved you get.. You will really be a deadbeat when youre 30 or so and all your friends are buying houses, driving new cars,and getting married and you cannot afford to do any of that.. And you dont have the credit , even if you did have the money .
All your opportunities are gone, so even when your motivated and decide" ill go back to school to do xyz ", you cant afford to do both school and the child support. So lets say tou do have the money , you go back to school, get that nursing degree, and a good paying job.. GUESS what, the courts find out , now your child support just Doubled.
You may ask " if i dont support the kid , who will"?? The government grants MOMS way more than you can ever pay, and thats why states are encouraged to go after you first.
Rob M seems like you had a sad life dealing with bitches ever met a nice lady they do exist but are rare. You know tradition types that can cook etc
Rob M That sounds good in theory but a married man is automatically considered the legal father of any child born of the marriage whether he is the biological father or not. Very very scary!
It's Catch-22 if you sign papers claiming fatherhood since if you sign, you are responsible and if you don't sign then you're held responsible and either way, you pay.
This ain't right. By attaching the non-father you take away from his ability to have a family by forcing him to pay for someone else's.
Married or not... DNA should be required at birth.
i wonder what ever happened to this man
I just read another article where this happened to a man in Florida. I'm starting to see it's getting to be the norm, which is highly unfair. It's bad enough to learn that you were betrayed by your significant other but then to have the state turn around and throw salt in your wounds by insisting you pay child support on top of everything is terrible. I personally think DNA tests should become a requirement before any man signs a birth certificate. It should become standard whether you are married to the female or not. I mean if you are going to sign a legal document claiming something to be true shouldn't you be 100% sure?
This is insanity.
Expert says that guy who won judgement will never see the money. How about putting out arrest warrants and jailing the woman until she changes her mind the way that they are doing to men who are behind on payments? That might work.
WHat I learn from these cases is that courts do not really want to punish mothers for anything. Unless she harms the child, she can do anything she wants to the father.
He should sue the living hell out of judges, county, city, state , and the mother.
Sue the state, county, and city. Aiding and abetting fraud.
Sooo the kid is not his but the judge is upset at that man? Foh
Hmmm....17 dislikes. Probably from angry entitled feminists. 🤣
How does the victim of fraud still get charged any bill? Corrupt courts much? My sister is dealing with this kind of thing. She got assaulted by an adopted child, and when that child went to jail...yup, you guessed it, the courts ordered her to pay into the state for 'child care rendered' after the assault to the tune of $1,400 a month while in jail. What do these folks needs to do to get justice?
It's a clerical quirk, where one judge cannot undo the existing order of another judge.
This is scary. A form of domestic terrorism
If this problem affected females it would be sorted already.
Justice is not right or wrong.. Its how much the state can control you and your money..
I'm also going through this 27yrs now screw my ex she's written about everything from very beginning my son's just to far brain washed as I was for years
This is shocking. Men need to get together and do some sort of class action against having to pay child support prior to having a DNA test done, or when the DNA proves you are NOT the father. I don't know all the legal rules about this, but I do know it definitely needs to be changed. Surely it is fraud.
It has been attempted, and they have been thrown many times.
Donnie Maddox Sorry I didnt realize it had been attempted. It is a terrible injustice and even as a woman it makes my blood boil so I can only imagine how these men must feel.
Kathryn Thorne
Thank you. MRA's and Avoiceformen gets a bad rep, but this is the kind of thing they try to fight. Maybe you should swing by their site. Again, thanks for the confidence. Much appreciated.
Donnie Maddox You are welcome and thanks for those sites. I will have to check them out. Peace :)
The mother, system and Judges are CROOKS😨😵😱👎🏾
What can you do legally when you have been found to be the father through a DNA test but you never had sexual relations with the mother? If misconduct is proven or at least suspected are you able to sue the mother and the county or only one of them?
I wouldn't pay a damned dime and you wanna toss me in jail FIne then you really AIN"t gonna get shit from me and I still got a roof over my head food in my gut and basic bare necessaties.
This is just one more of the dangerous symptoms of a dying society. Unwed pregnancy USED TO BE the exception in this country.
When I was a girl, young females who Broke The Rules and got pregnant were quickly and quietly married to the other half of the problem when practicable, or sent off to live with "relatives" far out of town.
This extra-marital MIS-behavior wasn't just 'frowned upon", it was lectured against in no uncertain terms.
We as a society have allowed our culture to sink pretty damn low.
Jail the Judge.
Sue in Federal Court and sue the State and City and County.
If she died he would not owe her back child support.
I wouldn't be surprised if the judge knocked the chick up himself and was trying to pin the kid on some other guy.
This is Feminism & Socialism run amuck.
socialism is merely an economic philosophy? I don't see the parrallel's between this and it.
This man needs to demand a jury trial and his lawyer needs to have the balls to demand the jury be informed of their power to find this man not guilty. The judge is a corrupt pig, as is anyone who thinks this is reasonable.
Keith Pickelhaupt unfortunately if he demands a jury trial, he would have to pay for that trial. At least in Texas that is what happens when a father wants a jury trial.
Them useless judges should have to pay the child support back,it's Freud by the corrupt court, bet they get there cut of everything that comes thur there courts.
At the end of the day if your the father the court will bend you over.
+PGMEagle Even if you are not the father, you could still be bent over like the gentleman in the story.
it is HIGHLY ILLEGAL to make someone pay for anything that they don't agree to or in this case are not the father of.
I call this a slave taxe buddy.
I've always thought it should have been law for everybody to take a DNA test after having a child. Even if you're married. I even created a petition for this but when I was only 22 years old. I wish I can edit it.
you're right, it would make things clear for everyone.
neun Arme I created that petition way back in 2001 and a lot of women were literally crucifying me about it. I told them if they had nothing to hide, I don't see why they have a problem with it. I now have an 11 year old daughter and even though she's the splitting image of her father, I wouldn't care if he asked for a DNA test. I told him that he could have done one a long time ago.
Vanity Posh Funny how people sometimes reject simple efficacious solutions. Cool you've got young daughter, 11? it's gonna be the beginning of problems now. Just kidding.
And by the way, is your avatar a picture of you? If so, you look great.
neun Arme OMG it feels like she's a teenager already. She's about to go to Jr. High. Yes, this is me and thank you hon. :)
Vanity Posh
You're welcome.
Hahaha, good luck for the years to come, first boyfriends, etc, etc...:-D
Child support system is broken everywhere
not his child, case closed. done. that would have been the right way of dealing with that problem.....
You should be able to file a suite against the child support offices they should do the test as soon as the child is born
I'm in the exact situation. So difficult i can't even express it.
I’m disgusted 🤮 with these judges. Shaming the man for not wanting to be defrauded.
Anytime child support is ordered it should be DNA testing up front why should a man pay for someone else's child unless he wants to
I really hope this situation gets better, I hate to see things like this
What happens when you sue the judge for enabling the mother of Paternity Fraud? Sure, we may not undo the judges order, but does that mean people can't sue the judge for mishandling evidence on a false accusation?
nope. Judges don't have to answer to anyone. Half the time the don't even care about the law. Especially is lower courts where no opinion is written about the decisions which are made. If you want any justice, you need to pay thousands to appeal to supreme court so that they at least have to legally justify their rungs.
You under estimate the power of the judges in this law system. They can basically do what they whatever they want and if they really do something illegal when judging you, the average joe cant pay for all the suing against them. Only rich guys can defend themselves.
And, he still has to pay back pay. SMH!!!
Never sign the birth certificate......
Why does DNA get a person off of death row but not off paying for a kid that's not his
It's horrible that courts are allowing this fraudulent practice without any recourse for punishment for paternity fraud.
Sue the judge for acceptance of the fraudulent claim!
"Not appropriate to comment" means they can't justify their actions.
Why isn't the state this zealous about getting child support from the *actual* father???
Why? Because they have a warm body there already paying, so if they let him off the hook, then they would have to start footing the bill in welfare benefits, or trying to track down the biological father. That costs money so better that these poor saps pay, than the state i.e. the taxpayer!
Probably because most of these guys are in prison or on welfare. The system trusts that the woman will usually pick the man with the most income and say that he is the father.
Go to the board for that judge. Seriously.
That’s crazy! The state will turn their back on the NON FATHER forcing to make him pay and tell him to sue the mother, WTF
Fraud is a criminal offence plain and simple
If it has been proven that he is not the child's father and the state continues to make him pay then I feel the state should have to pay him his money back period.
that sound like a dishonest judge. he should sew that judge.. dna should be law..
Take a DNA test before you sign your name on that Birthday Certificate!
U didn't pay attention he *never* signed or claimed the kid
Sue the judge !! I think the kid is the judges
Anytime a child is born, paternity should be automatically confirmed.
But this will never happen. Women would be up in arms.
And why is that?
My brother went threw this driver license stripped him being a firefighter. To pay for a child support on a child she already had before they got together plus his own child with her. The funny thing is state was automatically taking it out his paycheck before he got his paycheck... now explain that...then they gave proof to the court after still getting billed for the child ..there excuse for 1 year was well we lost the paperwork.
so one judge cannot undo another's decision hmm that's an outright lie. So how is it decades later with new forensic test murder convictions are overturned but you can't change an unjust support order. people think for yourselves. Also he should sue her and have her income garnished for damages. take her car her house seize bank accounts turn her ass inside out it can be done...
Exactly! they're just railroading this poor man. It's sickening!
In some states you CAN be forced to pay child support for a child that is no yours. One midwest states law says if you provided all the support of a childs father you can be held responsible for child support in a divorce even though the child is not yours.
These people with big cities are totally unqualified; How did they get these jobs? Make them test in.
Is that judge having relationships with the mom or something?
DNA tests can be used to determine a man should pay child support if the biological father, why can't it be used to disprove paternity and absolve the non-biological father of financial responsibility.
The judge isnt the father either, should he/she pay child support too if the mother puts the judges name on the certificate?
How about sue Juvenile court system? They are doing this.
How about the mother pays him back that money. House she not in court for lying on legal documents about the father??