95TegSE During the hardest day of a 3 day local stage race, there was one team who would send people to attack and then the same team would have a person chase them down.
I’m guessing the reason they stopped pedaling at times was because they passed others while crossing the yellow line (I think there’s a yellow line rule for this race). That’s also why he got an earful at the end of the race
I am really enjoying all your videos, but especially the Lower rank race commentary! Thanks. This particular race demonstrated one of your points so well - without a plan, these races are just like fast training rides, but with people you don't necessarily like. So many missed opportunities to make a defining move - like go to the front, then...sit up! Anyway, just want to thank you and Brian for these great videos!
Justin- Good racing man! at 5:40 you want to be positioned to the left and much closer to the rider in front of you as you wait for the right to left cross wind to take effect upon exiting the turn you are using a less watts. RIght after that at 6 min you pass 9 riders at under 400 watts and that was brilliant use of right to left cross winds. The bend in the road (not a right angle) to the right doesn't justify the inside line because of the wind dynamic. Last lap- turn two at 13:40 you are trying to move up on the unprotected side with left to right cross wind, hitting big watts you pass one person. Start recognizing that you will have wait to for better conditions to move up or move up on right side, the protected side, practice some gutter ridding LOL. 14:45 a very well documented major double yellow line violation worthy of relegation to DFL has to be called out for yours and the safety of everyone one else, but maybe all in cat 4 race don't recognize it, you gained at least 6 spots by doing so. Then scary indeed was that turn 3 at 14:48 followed by again excellent use of right to left wind to finally lead out your teammate to really good result.
I've been doing the Thursday night local crits racing in the cat4/5 category here in the PNW. I feel I'm racing with something like cat3+ race sense but no team to help and don't have enough points to bump yet. could you guys do a video with tips for not riding with a team?! Love your videos a ton they have been super helpful!
It's that fact that the POV rider still had gas in the tank when he could've gone and closed the gap for his teammates on the prems/chase group in the final laps.
the POV rider gestured right after they past the finish like he had an issue with something the guy in blue did at the finish. Everyone's always a bit fired up at the finish, especially when they didn't win.
Oof, I did my first race with prem laps earlier this year. I won one of the perms and watched as another rider shot past me once I crossed the line. Now I get why 😜
Do you ever watch the Tour de France, I know its not exactly in line with your videos but would love to listen to your commentary over the yahoos they have currently.
Well that is pretty accurate, but remember that these guys are also usually in the breakaway and top of the race. Cat 4 will have every sort of caliber riders. So stay with the main group in the beginning and move on from there once you feel like you finish the race with any spare energy
For a flat course, it doesn't take much fitness if you just want to be a pack finisher and gain some experience. I usually manage to get around averaging 2.5~2.75W/kg for a cat 4 race with 42km/h average. Just go do your local race next week. Stop worrying, it's already July, the calendar isn't going to wait for you.
Thanks for the responses. I'll see what I can do. Here in Germany it's pretty hard to find races and I want to find a club/team to ride with first. Sadly most people are way older (I'm still just 17) and imo that's not much fun. If you can stay in the main group with 2.5 to 2.75 w/kg I should be able to do that (my FTP is around 220 w and 3.4 w/kg).
okimy well my ftp is 1W/kg more than yours, and I can win some races, and podiums... so you definitely can get on the peloton and stuff and I’m 15 too so yeah
Awesome breakdown but lots of mistakes which impacted them negatively in their strat. Really good legs but if you dont have the technique and teamwork it won't work. Sad to see Justin pull his team mate to the finish but miss it by a few seconds. I wanna see Justin closer to the front more
I am confused why you guys were hard on him for going outside on the turn when he passes ten people only doing 200W and it’s the sheltered side. Do you have to yell out where you are on the exit of the turn or? (Early in the race)
You have to place in events to score points. The number of points you earn depends on the size of the field and the categories of the other riders. That's where physical ability comes in, you can't just cherry-pick races to win
I would assume they are using Garmin Virb software to combine the video (probably GoPro) and activity files (gpx/fit file for speed/power/etc from headunit)
@@HashtagBirdyy got the bike, its amazing, light, etc. however i cannot fully test it as it came with plastic shitty stamp pedals which i will be removing once my 105 clip pedals will come. plus i only done 30 km today due to shitty pedals, 40C (104 F) and without a good kit, (which will come with the pedals.)
The problem is that in Maine there aren't a lot of races or opportunities to practice corners. The guys who are willing to drive to MA and CT will get that experience and get better. The ones not willing, will forever be out cornered.
"It's almost like they're not on the same team!"...welcome to cat 4 racing.
95TegSE During the hardest day of a 3 day local stage race, there was one team who would send people to attack and then the same team would have a person chase them down.
A lot of guys in that pack who probably went for a run after the race
I c what u did right there. Socks.
@@jimmynickelz lol ;)
I’m guessing the reason they stopped pedaling at times was because they passed others while crossing the yellow line (I think there’s a yellow line rule for this race). That’s also why he got an earful at the end of the race
I am really enjoying all your videos, but especially the Lower rank race commentary! Thanks.
This particular race demonstrated one of your points so well - without a plan, these races are just like fast training rides, but with people you don't necessarily like. So many missed opportunities to make a defining move - like go to the front, then...sit up!
Anyway, just want to thank you and Brian for these great videos!
"these races are just like fast training rides, but with people you don't necessarily like." Quote of the Day right there.
I don't race but I have learned so much from you guys.
These videos are incredibly good, both educational end entertaining. Please never stop!
3:28 - "You can't do 1000W seated". Challenge accepted!
Thanks again for the video.
Find the video of Aldo Ilsic leading out Dan Holloway at Iron Hill. 1578 Watts seated.
Adam Blythe doing 1000W no hands filming an Instagram story
@@ranga8038 1 legged drills!!
I've done 1174w seated. Still good video guys 👍
Outstanding commentary.
12:27 = Nail on head. Classic Cat 5 'Race Plan' does not go to 'plan'. -U10
I won a pack of colored pencils in a prime once. Still not sure what I think about that one.
Get to making a beautiful drawing.
I won a pack of crayons and shoved them up my ass
"Welding". I like that.
Justin- Good racing man! at 5:40 you want to be positioned to the left and much closer to the rider in front of you as you wait for the right to left cross wind to take effect upon exiting the turn you are using a less watts. RIght after that at 6 min you pass 9 riders at under 400 watts and that was brilliant use of right to left cross winds. The bend in the road (not a right angle) to the right doesn't justify the inside line because of the wind dynamic. Last lap- turn two at 13:40 you are trying to move up on the unprotected side with left to right cross wind, hitting big watts you pass one person. Start recognizing that you will have wait to for better conditions to move up or move up on right side, the protected side, practice some gutter ridding LOL. 14:45 a very well documented major double yellow line violation worthy of relegation to DFL has to be called out for yours and the safety of everyone one else, but maybe all in cat 4 race don't recognize it, you gained at least 6 spots by doing so. Then scary indeed was that turn 3 at 14:48 followed by again excellent use of right to left wind to finally lead out your teammate to really good result.
Racing smart makes so much of a difference 💪🙂👍
@11:07 there is a double yellow line rule in this race on that side of the course.
Great video guys. Tons of learnings here for CAT 4's like myself
Seemed like there was a heated exchange with the guy in front at the end...
Yeah i saw that. What's that about?
I've been doing the Thursday night local crits racing in the cat4/5 category here in the PNW. I feel I'm racing with something like cat3+ race sense but no team to help and don't have enough points to bump yet. could you guys do a video with tips for not riding with a team?! Love your videos a ton they have been super helpful!
I made a video called how to race without a team.
what's the beef at 15:58? was justin mad that the guy sat up so quick after the sprint?
It's that fact that the POV rider still had gas in the tank when he could've gone and closed the gap for his teammates on the prems/chase group in the final laps.
@@Snorlax604 I thought Justin was the POV rider. I'm talking about the other two guys making gestures at the POV rider.
the POV rider gestured right after they past the finish like he had an issue with something the guy in blue did at the finish. Everyone's always a bit fired up at the finish, especially when they didn't win.
Oof, I did my first race with prem laps earlier this year. I won one of the perms and watched as another rider shot past me once I crossed the line. Now I get why 😜
Do you ever watch the Tour de France, I know its not exactly in line with your videos but would love to listen to your commentary over the yahoos they have currently.
Just talking about strategy they are already ahead of most cat 4/5 teams.
A little bit confused about the training video, so endurance training all the way and explosive training before the race?
r cube are pretty good
no yellow line rule?
dang that 1000W effort out of the corner is totally me >_
I do 2000W out of the corners.
@@JTMarlin8 That's pretty bad? lol I meant this in a bad way
How strong do you have to be to start racing? Because these cat 4 races look just as hard as cat 1 races with lacking racing experience/technique.
Well that is pretty accurate, but remember that these guys are also usually in the breakaway and top of the race. Cat 4 will have every sort of caliber riders. So stay with the main group in the beginning and move on from there once you feel like you finish the race with any spare energy
For a flat course, it doesn't take much fitness if you just want to be a pack finisher and gain some experience. I usually manage to get around averaging 2.5~2.75W/kg for a cat 4 race with 42km/h average. Just go do your local race next week. Stop worrying, it's already July, the calendar isn't going to wait for you.
Thanks for the responses. I'll see what I can do. Here in Germany it's pretty hard to find races and I want to find a club/team to ride with first. Sadly most people are way older (I'm still just 17) and imo that's not much fun. If you can stay in the main group with 2.5 to 2.75 w/kg I should be able to do that (my FTP is around 220 w and 3.4 w/kg).
okimy well my ftp is 1W/kg more than yours, and I can win some races, and podiums... so you definitely can get on the peloton and stuff and I’m 15 too so yeah
@@okimy3668 That should be ample fitness for local races. Just use what you have learned from the Nor Cal Cycle videos to use your energy wisely.
Awesome breakdown but lots of mistakes which impacted them negatively in their strat. Really good legs but if you dont have the technique and teamwork it won't work. Sad to see Justin pull his team mate to the finish but miss it by a few seconds. I wanna see Justin closer to the front more
team mate are racing each other, isn't that same as individual rider?
I am confused why you guys were hard on him for going outside on the turn when he passes ten people only doing 200W and it’s the sheltered side. Do you have to yell out where you are on the exit of the turn or? (Early in the race)
First. Love your videos, they have helped me massively in my first season of racing!
To move to cat 1 do you just have to win/place events even regardless of physical ability?
You have to place in events to score points. The number of points you earn depends on the size of the field and the categories of the other riders. That's where physical ability comes in, you can't just cherry-pick races to win
Its a great video, but where is your rayces lets go!
Hi, what cycling apps use to record this video? Thanks
I would assume they are using Garmin Virb software to combine the video (probably GoPro) and activity files (gpx/fit file for speed/power/etc from headunit)
getting my first road bike in a week, van rysel al 105 for 1k. Im a big guy 196 105kg but i think I have power to kick some ass ;)
1 week later....
@@HashtagBirdyy got the bike, its amazing, light, etc. however i cannot fully test it as it came with plastic shitty stamp pedals which i will be removing once my 105 clip pedals will come. plus i only done 30 km today due to shitty pedals, 40C (104 F) and without a good kit, (which will come with the pedals.)
@@dzenk19 2 years later
Did not appear to be 1000 watts relative to the rider next to him who was not struggling in the least
if you have never raced before, how do you know what category you are? what's the avg speed vs distance for a cat 4 race?
Everybody starts at category 5, if you place well, you get upgrade points which allow you to advance to the next category
The dude might weigh 250 lb!
I was wondering: How much watts less do you put out at the end of a critrace, compared to totally fresh (so with No race before)?
But remember you still have to get cat up points or you will be a cat 4 forever. Most cat 4’s race for themselves lol
Brian you kinda cute
I can do 1000 watts seated
someone give this user a medal
He needs to ride his bike more... time he took outside turn I cringed my teeth and my legs and everything else
The problem is that in Maine there aren't a lot of races or opportunities to practice corners. The guys who are willing to drive to MA and CT will get that experience and get better. The ones not willing, will forever be out cornered.
It's not really apparent in the video, but there's a fairly good size hole in the pavement near the apex of turn 3 which the riders are avoiding.
Oof
biking's not that cool
Ok Ian
Cool is subjective. You're not that cool, but that's just my opinion. Which is the beauty of it. Not everyone thinks about everything the same way
LOL
Thank you for your comment Ian, we - however - enjoy it :)
Ian is right. It's ice cold 🥶