Every time you say “ Hey You” my husband comes to mind. That was his greeting to me from day 1 and until his last day on this earth.. 🌹 Thanks Mike for all your hard work and thanks for you just being you.
Snap! This always makes me think of my husband too, he always said that & the “love ya” as greetings & goodbye! It’s nice to hear a familiar story. Thanks Mike I always answer your sign off with the “love ya too”. Silly I know but nice to hear that even if it’s only through video! 🤣💖
@@71Bopper Reminds me of my ex-wife. I always used to say "Let's give it a goo!" before we would have sex. She divorced me and she cited my, ahem, "weird, eccentric sense of humour" as a cause. Bitch.
I despise what they did but children's brains are unable to make rational decisions. It's the very definition of not competent. It's why we helicopter over them and guide them as much as we can for as long as we can.
So messed up. The single mum having spent her life either beaten up or trying to escape her violent husband only to be killed by her own daughter. A daughter who was already getting beaten up and controlled by the boyfriend. Tragic all around.
The mother also beat the daughter. I keep picturing that child coming home to find everything in her room gone. Things she kept from her childhood. From her friends. Maybe photos from good memories. A stuffed toy maybe. Even just your familiar bed. I hate that I have to qualify this with the 'I still don't condone what they did' statement, I don't condone it. But that act was so cruel. The mother could not have sent clearer signal: she was done with her. She must have felt so unloved.
@@hannah_wolf I completely agree with you. 💯 Violence and murder are not the answer. Nothing excuses what Kim and Lucas did to Liz and Katy. Therefore, it should go without saying, that I also don’t condone Kim’s disgusting crimes. However, and again, though Liz did not at all deserve to be killed, I do believe she was highly unfit for guardianship; custody should never have been reinstated. Liz chose violent partners who she had planted in her daughters’ young lives. She may have left those partners, eventually, but she then became violent herself. She punched a six year old! Liz was not able to handle teenage angst, she could not control her own anger, but she couldn’t even handle a defenseless child of only six. Since she was unable to calm herself enough to sit down in a loving, open and mindful manner to communicate possible resolutions, she most definitely needed professional help. Instead, when things began to boil over, she fostered further deep-mistrust and resentment by going through her daughter’s belongings (probably some holding sentimental value) and clearing them out. Liz essentially threw a fit, and sent a clear message of cruelty. I’ll never understand why some parents set a bad example throughout their children’s young lives, then fail to listen to their issues with an open mind and loving heart when they grow to be teenagers, and/or they ignore clear signs of mental illness. Instead, these parents do nothing but scream and yell, including threats, without listening for a single moment, but then act as if they’re utterly gobsmacked when their teenager acts out more severely. Teenage acting-out generally (thankfully) does not devolve into this extreme level of darkness. It sounds like Kim was seriously mentally ill, but was never provided with treatment. This, again, does not mean Liz deserved death. It’s just very unfortunate that this all may have been avoided if professional intervention was taken, especially after Kim’s relationship with Lucas began, or whenever there were behavior changes.
@@hannah_wolf I totally agree. My dad still keeps my room at his house as it always was and I don’t even live there and im 38. Completely heartless and not the right way to show guidance and unconditional love to your daughter. There are other ways. She already felt unloved as it was. Probably why she thought being treated like shit by that boyfriend was ok. Not saying this girl is justified tho, not one bit. I think she’s very damaged, she didn’t actually go through with the killing tho as she couldn’t. the boyfriend did tho he is deffo a psycho. Never should be allowed out
People regularly underestimate what children are capable of. Empathy is something that is largely learned. Combine a lack of empathy with still underdeveloped brains, kids can be absolute monsters.
And with the increase of social media there will be an increase in the lack of empathetic responses because when you have no such social interaction face to face then you can't engage someone's response when you say or do something that's the problem with today's society!
@@anthonyryan6716 "you've been saying"? This is a *single* case spoken about here. One case does not represent a damn thing. Your logic is so flawed that it's astounding.
I love how the girl tried to make herself seem kind and merciful to her mom and sis by saying that they don't have to worry about her anymore now since they were slaughtered by her and her boyfriend. Yeah, she's a very thoughtful person in that sense, right?!?
I'm pretty miserable most of the time. But I hope someone out there doesn't love me that much! :) In fact, if everyone who worries at one time or another or is not that happy at one time or another was killed, there'd be very few people left on the planet.
Yes - exactly. As we learn more about brain development and how traumatic exposures in early childhood affect the brain it’s surprising the human species made it this far
I remember being a 14yo boy. They are not nice, not at all. I think it's why evolution makes them play with themselves so much. If not for that little blessing there would be loads more of this.
Criminologist David Wilson has bluntly described them as demonstrating a 'high level of psychopathy', singling out Kim’s egocentric belief that she was actually doing her mother and sister a favour by killing them. In Kim’s words, 'my mum doesn’t have to deal with me anymore being like suicidal and she doesn’t have to wake up worrying every morning to see if I’m still alive', while killing Katie saved her from going through 'the heartbreak and just all the emotions
Yes, Unbelievable, yet said she hated her mother because she loved her younger sister more, but justified it by saying her mother wouldn't have to worry if she was going to commit suicide, total contradiction, pure evil and will kill again if crossed,
My goodness, I found this channel 2 weeks ago! I have been binge watching everyday since. I love true crime and to me this is the best way to get it. No bad actors, no endless conversations that mean nothing, no repeating the facts over and over …I love this show! Thanks 🙏
What about the oldest sister? Time to Google. Edit: Apparently the oldest sister had to go identify the bodies and she went to court to listen to the trial. That poor woman, I hope she gets all the therapy she wants/needs. 17,5 years is not enough in my opinion.
@@chick-fil-agal2264 excellent idea. I’ve always thought they should average out the amount of time someone has left to live and then give them those amount of years, but i guess if they kill an older person that wouldn’t exactly work out very well for the victims or their families. Maybe the sentencing should be one of those two options. If they kill someone 50 and under then they estimate that the victim would have lived to...say, 75 years old. Then the murderer gets 25 years in jail minimum just for the murder charge. Then they also get the minimum time for what ever other charges they accrue while committing the onslaught of their crime(s). If they kill more than one person you add up all the years and that is also part of their sentence. If someone kills a person that is over 50 years old then the judge or jury adds the age of the victim to the number of years the killer must serve. Then all the other minimum required years for the rest of the charges. This should especially be true in the UK, Canada and Australia, as i believe they are immeasurably lenient on murderers.
@@melissadunton3534 there’s also have way lower murder and crime rates in those countries because of their lower sentences and the fact that they actually do their job and rehabilitate these people. They also treat their prisoners better in every aspect. And before you say it, yes…I know that “these people should be given the worst circumstances available” but people that say this stuff don’t realize that murders only take up a small percentage of the prison system so that argument is moot. Not only do they actually rehabilitate people but they’ve also decriminalized drugs and have true harm reduction programs so the 45% of our prison system that are in OUR prisons for non violent drug charges are non-existent there. Canada has safe supply programs where they can go to a type of vending machine/kiosk and get opioids 3 times a day to get high with so they’re not having illicit fentanyl on their streets being the number one cause of death like in the US. The Netherlands have clinics like our methadone clinics where people with substance use disorder can go and get their daily dose of heroin and/or cocaine in the 80s. They’re actually the the first ever to even have a harm reduction center and clinic. Guess what happened to these people that 🇺🇸 would deem a waste/too far gone/living off the government/degenerates ? They lived normal lives and were productive members of society. The best part of all this is because drugs have always been legal in the Netherlands so there’s absolutely no freaking stigma surrounding people who use substances and their success rate of their treatment facilities is through the roof because they don’t drill into peoples heads that abstinence is the only way to recover and that myth of “once an “addict”/“alcoholic”, always an “addict”/“alcoholic” that were both made up by AA and were both dangerously incorrect and have costs millions their lives. So people always bash these countries but they got it figured out. Our prison system only teaches criminals to do even harder crimes cause theyre never taught they can be more than what they think and that they’re better than this and creates severe untreated mental illnesses. Hence our extreme and rapidly increasing crime rates.
If Kim hadn't met Lucas, it would have been someone exactly like him because even though he could be violent and abusive, he still showed her love. Kim was primed for any future partner who gave her affection & "love", regardless of how toxic that relationship might be. The only positive I can see that came out of this case, is that by committing the murders at such a young age they were separated early, before they could have children and drag them into their violent & toxic version of a love story, and create a new generation of damaged children.
I remember when Mike seemed a little embarrassed to say, "cause I love ya...," but now he says it with confidence. 🙃 So sweet! We all love you too Mike!
This episode is quite different to me, as Mike is much more opinionated compared from before. I thought It used to be more facts and figures with a slight thrown wonderful opinion, but this time it's a narrative as if he was right there! haha ! Its different...
Couldn't agree more. Mike does a fabulous job. He has sensitivity, wit, charm, great sense of humour. Why I watch that chapter! Not to mention he has an honest take and delivery on what happened.
Thank you Mike for all your hard work,i hope you take some time for yourself for some R&R and peace of mind I know the research on some of these videos can be hard but we all love and can't get enough of your content !
@@DeRock401 he’s not a frickin machine! He’s not just a floating head in a black void behind a screen solely created to produce videos for you Jesus Christ. He’s a human being. I get you love his videos I do too but the amount of work that goes into researching, creating, producing, editing, and posting these videos with the quality that he does and the energy that he does that we all love him for, is exhausting. Even doing it at the amount that he already does. Doing it every day? Don’t even get me started
@@aestheticallysad_3016 wait wait, do you think he does all of this by himself? Lol no. There's a team of writers, editors, and producers that all get paid very well to make these videos. It's a business. I can see you you might get the impression that it's all Mike, but I'm sorry, it's not. These are professionals, and it shows. This is not a dig at the channel or Mike. It's a compliment.
It’s absolutely insane that even after the murders they both feel that they did the right thing, clearly some level of sociopathy or psychopathy for both of them. Honestly, the fact they got less than 20 years is absurd, they both should’ve gotten at least 40-50 for something that heinous.
I find it a bit odd that they both got the same sentence. She helped planned the crime, but in the end she couldn't murder. He, on the other hand, murdered two people.
In Europe and especially the punishment for teenagers is very lenient compared to the USA. In the USA at least these guys would have gotten a 30 years or more. These two most likely can get back together after they're out. I hope not because that would be really messed up especially for the victims. It's like they got what they wanted in the end.
a 14 year olds mind is not fully developed and throw in mental illness.....I hope they realize now what they have done. neither child was in their right minds.
Prison will give no reahabiltation especially for children...if they got 50 years and then got released they will be even more sociopathic...they need therapy and medication or life in prison I guess
@@schrisdellopoulos9244 what are you trying to say. Kim and her boyfriend are entirely to blame for their actions. You sound ignorant that’s all I’m saying.
@@schrisdellopoulos9244 LOL MAN is she hard to look at. Those Brits aren't no. 1 in the looks dept i'll tell ya. throw in the bad teeth and forget about it
Yeah we have learned from this channel and others that looks can be deceiving. But I bet it would be a little more obvious what he was like if one knew him. Probably a real jerkoff
[CW: abuse, the cycle of abuse, toxic families, violence, ableism] My mom was born into an extremely toxic and abusive family. To give just one example, her mother tried to murder her at least twice before she was a teenager. My mom broke the cycle of abuse and no one in her family talks to her. The only time they come around is when my mom is struggling or suffering, so they can gloat. I have always had an extremely close relationship with my mom and thought I was close with other family members and friends until I started having health issues, and then they abandoned me because I wasn't fun anymore, they couldn't "deal" with it, etc. That did almost break me. Losing everyone but my mom when I was sick. But for both me and my mom, losing toxic relationships was a good thing. It is better to be completely alone in the world than connected to people who will only ever take and take and take and never give anything back. This is the best hope for her. She is free.
Don't you just love how Mike's confidence has grown over time?...just as much as his shirt collection 😂..... In all seriousness, watching from Kenya, I love the coverage, Always looking forward to the next new video, THUMBS UP!
That's exactly what I was just thinking. If you go back a couple years he's a tad more reserved, still fantastic but his confidence and skill at crime storytelling has absolutely taken off! We're so proud of ya', Mikey! ♡♡♡♡
I'm glad you covered this awful case. It made no sense to me at the time. It still doesn't. It's frightening to know that 2 very young people could plot and carry out the murders, with no remorse.
I am sure they felt that no one ever gave a damn about them. Its shocking and awful, yes. But these kids were failed by their own families, in ways that damage their sense of compassion. I think the girl truly felt like they had spared her mom and sister from the pain and heart break of life. She obviously knew that pain, and it had overwhelmed her life . I am not saying I understand, I am saying that in their eyes ( childrens eyes) they had been failed by their family and the system. Children are often unable to see past their own pain. A terribly sad and devastating case, a mother and young daughter gone, and then their lives are gone as well.
If they almost carry out a suicide they already have little to loose, and if they think there is a killable cause of that misery, just by vengence with enough gut and hate suicide can turn to murder pretty quick
@@primesspct2 you're condoning what they've done. I grew up in foster care, and whilst i did, i was raped, beaten, left in a small room with a bucket to do my business in. My family, although dysfunctional, still love me, and i them. What she did was straight up evil, there is no excuse for it. So her family life may have been difficult, but so were most peoples, doesn't give us a right to kill people. Seriously mate.
@@primesspct2 Lol man stop with the excuses. Most people that feel nobody cares about them usually kill themselves not innocent people that didn't do anything to them. There's also kids in WAY worse situations that don't turn to murder. These "kids" we're clearly messed up in the head.
its so upsetting to think that the mother fought for her life most likely thinking her entire family was in danger that night. her last thoughts were pure struggle and fear for her kids
It's heartbreaking to see the photo of Katy's sweet little face. Poor Katy and Liz. Mike is probably one of the best true crime story Tellers even if he had no visuals just by the way he explains things you would have a visual in your head
Right...look at that little face and you could almost see everything that is missing in her sister. Katy's gaze is direct, frank, gentle...her sister looks like a doll, with a doll's lifeless gaze. Even in photos where she's supposed to be happy, Kim's eyes are kind of...empty. I know a photo can't tell you everything, but still...
You know that it's going to be bad when the pictures of the children are not blurred out, it's even worse when it happens just because the children are in the way wrong place at the wrong time.
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
It is a horrible story. I feel terrible for the sister and the mother also. You never know about kids these days. They can be as dangerous as psychopathic adults. You have to watch everyone.
The truly frightening thing about this is that once they are released they will be able to change their names and relocate. So no one will ever know what they did unless they commit other crimes in the future.
I was teaching in that school, at the time. Don't remember Lucas, as he had been expelled, by then, but Katie was a happy girl, around school. Kim was very quiet. When they "disappeared " together, in the previous November, that should have been the hugest red flag. I mean, they went off camping, in the middle of winter! Mental health services, in this country, are not what they should be and I'm pretty sure that this previous incident was not treated as seriously as it should have been. It was an incredibly tragic outcome to what I'd call a Romeo and Juliet situation. BTW the school was not Spalding Academy, at that time, it was called Sir John Gleed. Spalding does seem ike a sleepy, little market town but, around the same time, a man shot his wife and daughter, outside the local gym. Spalding is on the map, for all the wrong reasons.
@@elizabethforsyth4814 in a sense, yeah! "Star-crossed lovers", teenagers whose families don't want them together, and it ended in death... Only difference is *whose* death.
Both families threw all their belongings out except a mattress. It reminds me of when my son was on drugs and the standard advice I got was that I should throw him out of the house. These are one-size-fits-all, "There, that'll show 'em" answers. I never threw my son out because I knew it would confirm to him the one thing he was most afraid of, and it confirmed to Kim what she was most afraid of: that her mother didn't love her. After that there's nothing left for kids to listen to or care about in their families. It is all but impossible to figure out what each teen needs, but these methods that say, "I loathe you. You disgust me." are really not it.
I have 3 boys and I don't think I could ever kick them out or turn them away either. I've always said the house I live in will have a extra bedroom in case my kids ever need to come home for any reason. Idc if they're 45 they can always live with me
Good for you, Anne. Parents always deny they have favourites, their children always know who is the favourite and who isn‘t, and it‘s horrible. I love that you consistently showed your son that you love him and tried to help. No-one is saying that Kim‘s mother deserved to be murdered. But being so ignored in favour of a sibling absolutely sucks.
Yeah I agree, honestly those methods are closer to abuse than anything else. And in this case I think it's clear it made things way worse. Especially with kids who had already suffered some forms of emotional and/or physical abuse. I don't understand how anyone could think that this would help. Especially with teenagers that young who are still very emotionally sensitive and whose brains are still far from fully developed.
Allowing a teenager to live in your house while they steal from and abuse you isn't doing them or you any favors. All your doing is showing them that their actions don't have consequences. A lot of times jail and or prison is the only way for addicts to string together any sort of clean time. they'll introduce them to suboxone and rehab programs that will give them the tools to stay sober. I know you think your helping but your doing the opposite by allowing an addict to live with you. This is coming from someone who went to prison and that made me realize that was going to be my life If I didn't straighten up. I now have a 4 year old daughter and haven't done drugs in 7 years. I wouldn't allow her to live with me while she was an addict if she took that path. Every single rehab I've ever been to and every addict I have ever ment has said that did nothing but help further progress their disease
I have three girls and one boy. My two eldest girls went to university, my boy is a whole different kettle of fish. At 15 he was smoking weed, drinking, stealing from me, hiding out in my shed in the winter to do all this. Everyone said I needed to kick him out. My oldest daughter still doesn't speak to me because of his disgraceful behaviour. I'm a single mum and have done everything for my four, I have a little one with downs syndrome who is younger than my boy. All I ever thought was someone needs to be there for him, when everyone else gave up on him, he still had a lovely heart and although I wanted to throttle him I knew someone needed to be there. He's 19 now and on the other side, so much more to go into but he goes to the gym every day. Still free loading, but hey... 😉
You are one of my favorite TC TH-camr. I love how you recount these cases by sticking to the facts, adding no fancy frills or bows, respectful of everyone including us, your audience and with a subtle sense of humor. No false lowering of the voice, no creating suspense after every 2-3 sentences, no false crying and getting all emotional, no puppies and babies popping up, etc. You ze bezt Mike ! Love from Brazil 🇧🇷
I mean, is it subtle? He's pretty hilarious considering the subject matter. Hahahah. Like you said though, there's nothing but respect there. The balance definitely makes this channel one-of-a-kind.
It's not sucking up. It's called support, Sir. For those of us that can't pitch on Patreon, we leave comments that we support the work and would like him to continue making it 👍
Geez, I accidentally ran over a cat yesterday and that's going to haunt me for months. I can't imagine being so callous that murdering your own mother and sister is seen as some kind of favour to them.
A: They obviously never planned to off themselves, otherwise they wouldn't have had to kill her sister to prevent her going to cops! B: It's insane to kill someone because they'll call the cops or cuz they're a witness, when ur crime is something you're definitely gonna be caught for anyway... even more so when you literally make zero effort to prevent being caught or minimizing evidence. They coulda just tied the sister up or whatever. Totally senseless crimes! No point whatsoever.
@@daijme The poster is correct however - that may have been her excuse later but it was born of jealousy and a desire to get her out of the way. They made zero effort to conceal their crime so the idea that they were eliminating a “witness” is ludicrous.
Kim kept saying her mum liked Katie more - I feel like there is jealousy there from Kim that could be more a motive that she might be too proud to admit
I think it's safe to say that these two will always be dangerous. There's no rehabilitation I don't believe when you are that broken. And I doubt 17 years in prison will change them for the better.
Agree. There is a certain callousness that’s unmatched with these two and I think the 17 yrs, it that they’ll even do the full time, will only help them to learn to hide better but not change their selfish nature.
Absolutely agree. They will be around 30 when they are out, and looking at their emotion less attitude, we will probably see another video about them in this channel after 11 years. 17 years is too less a punishment for two pre-meditated murders.
@@eggbirdtherooster Yes, but capital punishment will ensure they'll never be a threat in the future. The justice system should treat them as the cancer they are.
@@4Moth2Mellow0 are you....talking about a little kid that was murdered in her sleep for no reason other than she'd call the police? is this real? it's late but if i'm reading this right you are one sick person.
This whole situation makes me feel so sick to my stomach! I hope she sees her mother and sister every time she closes her eyes, for the rest of her life!
I can't stress enough how much I adore your videos. Your voice just makes me smile; the quips are hilarious; & the content makes me furious or sad. All in all just a Rollercoaster of odd emotions. I'm happy here. 😊
Bro, your cool jokes and the way you don't try to make yourself sound all creepy/cringy like all the other crime channels out there. You being yourself and simply adding your commentary where you are just being you, and not trying to make it creepy. That's why you're by far my favorite True Crime YTber. I love it so much man. Never change, keep being yourself. I will always watch your videos as soon as they come out. I've gotta be one of the biggest fans of this channel. Much love Mike. Fa sho. You will always have a lifelong fan
What an interesting tale they tell. If it took about 10 minutes for Liz to die & she was screaming for even 1 -2 minutes of that time while being stabbed, why didn't Katie wake up? How did Kim get covered in so much blood that she had to take a bath with Lucas if she had no part in the murders? As you can see I have a few issues with their explanation of what took place. I am more inclined to believe that while Lucas killed Liz, Kim killed Katie . As for teen killers being rehabilitated, history shows that this happens once in a blue moon, all too often once released they go on to commit more murders.
But perhaps they commit another crime to be sent back to the place they've been conditioned to see as home.Prison,even without violence causes serious mental harm.And there is no effort to rehabilitate anyone.
It happened with Mary Bell. She was 10 when she killed 2 little boys. That poor girl had a absolutely horrific upbringing. Her mom started selling her out for sex starting at 4yo. Her mom made it clear she didn't want her or love her. But she was able to grow up and live a normal life and even had a daughter of her own.
@@boathousejoed9005 exactly... and they know prison is designed that way just to keep the revolving door going pretty sad... they also don't have no interest in rehabilitating anyone & they know it... hope u have a wonderful weekend!!
No I don’t really think they can become “normal”, they weren’t normal to begin with. I remember how emotional teen crushes are, I was there once a long time ago. I was devastated when my first boyfriend broke up with me, thought my life was over at 16. But I never considered killing anyone. BTW, the second guy I dated has been my husband for the last 43 years and counting. Senseless murder of two lovely people for no reason what so ever.
Oh there was a reason for it, we just don't consider it valid, or at least some of us. Lukas's issues weren't well discussed here, but Kim's were, and she dealt with significant mental illness, possibly with the most comparable murder in the UK being Mary Bell's murder of those two little boys in 1968. She was released and treatment back then compared to now was much different. She appears to not have reoffended despite t he heinous nature of her crime at 10 years old. There is nothing that says that Kim is untreatable, she just had an absolutely fucked life as a child, to the point where her older sister was not surprised at the remorseless nature of her participation, towards her mother. Showing that she was well aware of the issues between Kim and her mom. to not be shocked that your little sister has no remorse for killing your mother is just absolutely nuts, was kim right about her mother and the blatant favoritism towards katie? where your 13-14 year old daughter attempts to end her own life, and you don't have her admitted to be treated for severe depression? What the hell was going on in that home. there was a perfect storm of factors here that any one of them had they been caught would have changed the likelyhood of this happening. She may have never even met Lukas, if say she had been appropriately treated for you know...trying to end her own life at 12-13-14 years old? WTF.
I remember when, as an adult, I was not afraid of teenagers. Now? Terrified. There are too many stories similar to this one with these deranged, pathological monsters that are all of 15 years of age. Another great video, Mike. Thanks for telling it in a respectful way to the victims, as you always do. We all luv ya, too!
These two in particular had personality disorders that needed therapy. Something many countries fail to identify or provide. The kids usually just get punished for bad behaviour which ofc doesnt work on them. It would work on a normal person. Most plp with personality disorders really show as teenagers as the hormones rage, but they're actually born that way. Normally they get overlooked as just problematic kids
Please don’t be afraid of the 99% who are awesome! Well, most are awesome… a few have some hormone surges that make them sassy, but not many are like this!
@@TheDramacist RIGHT. Sad the mother chose to ship Kim off to foster care instead of sticking by her through therapy.. Just my 2 cents. I can't say what home life was like but I would never. Doesn't excuse what they did....it's just sad AF
@@imlistening1137 Ehhh, maybe. It's def good to have hope for our future. I guess living in inner city low income housing has made me a wee bit jaded but others here give me hope. So, you never know! ♡ Children here have very little to no parental supervision Many of them are criminals by the time they reach teens. Sad, sad, sad. 😞
Mike is probably one of the best true crime story Tellers even if he had no visuals just by the way he explains things you would have a visual in your head
@@nancyneyedly4587 right? He’s so upbeat and tells cringe jokes while talking about horrific crimes. His old videos were better and easier to follow cause he wasn’t so focused on trying to be “funny”
I was in my first relationship and my parents were against it but listening to this (and it was a difficult time), I never once thought of harming anyone. Thank God that was never a thought!
Were you mentally and physically abused for the entire extent of your childhood and left almost totally untreated and without support like these two kids were?
That's the most INSANE thing I've ever heard. Maybe you were disturbed man but I wasn't. Neither were my girlfriends. We had a lot of good times. And nothing disturbing was done or happened.
I always find hearing "teen" and "lover" in the same sentence is in itself disturbing. But yeah, I found them disturbing even when I was a teen myself.
@@markmike7933 - I was being SILLY (as we're doing caps, apparently) apart from the murdering part. As you were. Edit - You need to listen to more things, if that's the case.
You are my absolute favorite true crime TH-camr. II've seen like almost all of your videos because you're a comforting figure to me, i binged them for a long time. I love that you can even sneak in some humor while being respectful to the victims and i think you're the best example of a person who's into true crime for the right reasons. I like your accent and the way you talk, and of course your storytelling. Your videos are extremely high quality and i really like that you actually show your face when you talk, it's much more enjoyable than true crime videos just filled with stock footage and almost robotic speech. You're a great character and i hope you continue to do what you do. Your way of narrating is always a pleasure and you know how to present these cases without trying to make them "spooky" as if they were horror stories and i think that shows the respect you have for the victims as well, treating them like real people and not horror characters. I also love your choice of music! Just kudos to you over all man.
This case reminded me a lot of the Jasmine Richards case here in Canada… especially when you asked if someone can go on and live a normal life. She is out and free for years now, although she’s had a name change and is (I believe) protected by a sort of witness protection type program
Depressed teenager who wants to commit suicide decides instead to have her boyfriend kill both her mom and her sister, simply because she would call the police on them, and then both of them have no remorse afterwards, and don’t feel sorry for their actions in anyway. This is a really sad case.
They say they murdered her because she would call the police but they sat in that house waiting on the cops to show up so that logic doesnt seem true to me
I mean you’ve guessed there is no remorse, it could be really eating them up on the inside. Something like this 100% would. Especially when they have 4 walls to look at everyday. They were defo failed by the system and their families.
@@robwebb3882 that's no excuse for killing the mom and little sister. They knew precisely what they were doing and planned it for days prior. It doesn't matter if the system failed them because they're still 2 little pieces of evil shits. I've known a handful of people who the "system failed" and they didn't turn out to be murderers, and they were abused like crazy too. These 2 are just evil people for whatever reasons and that's all there is to it. I mean they killed the little sister, they said because they didn't want her to call the police but obviously it was because Kim was jealous of the relationship between her and their mom like she said before. That little girl was abused just like Kim, and ended up being murdered, not the murderer.
This sends a bad message to future teens committing murder. Hey, you're still young and impressionable. So go on ahead and murder. You don't have to worry about life sentencing or death penalty. See you out in the real world in your 30's. Shake my head.
I absolutely love how Mike uses a plain black background instead of having a bunch of stuff behind him. You're awful! Lmao that little McDonald's whistle got me. Omg I snorted laughing
I think Kim is going to leave juvi with regret, shunned by the rest of the family and life a very lonely existence. Lucas however given his track record and the fact he killed 2 people without hesitation or remorse is going to end up spending most of his adult life in and out of prison for increasingly violent offences. The lives those kids had was over the moment they took those two lives and no matter how much counciling or rehabilitation they get they will forever have blood on their hands.
Agreed, what hope do these two have anyway without having completed high school and after spending the entry into adulthood behind bars? They have no knowledge to continue a normal existence, so will probably resort to crime again
I think you are wrong. Kim is the cold blooded calculated killer. Lucas was nothing but a pawn in this females destructive life. She literally got a boy from school who liked her to Jill her family for her. Than proceeds to not get in trouble at all for it. Lol… and you think she will be fine? No it’s Lucas who might actually change not the girl
There's alot of cases where the girl is a complete covert narcissistic sociopath in how she used the boy to enact the violence for her. You have to see that this is a very powerful Characteristic trait in womens abilities. And act the victim, the damsel in distress for the man to put on his cape and save. The fem fetale who wraps him in. And tells him the only way for us to be together. We must do this in order for us to be together. A lot of cases, this is the paradigm in them.
Wrong !!! She showed far less remorse and took far less accountability then he did , I’m sorry but I have far less hope for the person who planned out and helped execute a murder on her own family .
This episode really shows how truly talented you are as a true crime narrator. You have an amazing ability to seamless weave in humour while showing the utmost respect for the victims and their families. You have found your true calling 😉
I bet it could be fun though, if instead of horrible stories and gross people, Mike could lead us on tours of his favorite small towns. "Best Small Towns and Villages of Florida, Ontario and Upstate New York!" We know how much he longs to dive into the life of these fascinating places and the kaleidescopic life their citizens are always leading-- endless variety, cultural excellence-- that's the kind of thing he'd show us. And instead of plunging into the lives of sick families on the verge of dissolution, there'd be visits with the mayor, his lady wife, and other dignitaries. So interesting for him and us and we don't have to fear tuning in to Mike, only to get massively depressed and bummed out. Not that I'm complaining but--just an idea, Mike- Oh.
Love your tone in this video, almost like you're fed up with it lol.. hope all of these cases aren't taking a toll on you brother. Mental health before anything else.
Mike, your videos are the only thing that gets me through my day sometimes. You see, I work as a nurse and see sick patients all day so sometimes it's nice to take a break from my real life patients, and listen to some crazy ass people being.... well, crazy! Thanks Mike for all that you do!
@@rt66vintage16 I agree, and the mean ones make me so, so mad. I completely agree with those who say that not everybody should be a nurse, because it's so true. Our patients come to us at what is usually their worst moments. The least we can do is provide some comfort and compassion because I know a lot us aren't always the best in our worst moments either.
This is just so hard to grasp. Looking at Kim and Lucas's photos I just see babies, not violent killers. It's scary. And it's scary how calm and emotionless they were while explaining what they'd done and why.
Your intro and closing NEVER gets old to me! It ain’t That Chapter without “let’s have a goo” and “-cuz I love ya… Mike out.” It’s such a simple but great opener and closing, that’s makes me excited to hear the storytelling and ends with the best feeling, cuz we Love ya too, and your storytelling is important and means so much to us! I’m Irish as well, but 2nd gen American. My name is Erin, last name couldn’t be more Irish either. Just adore you Mike!
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
Her mum was right not to like her. She was never likeable. Likely the traits that caused her to murder were there from early childhood. Likely inherited from her dad, the psycho wife batterer. Abortion is a gift, more people should have them.
I seen this on confessions of a serial killer and it was interesting watching psychologist break doen the interrogations in full.Way to go mike always impressing me sir.
Mike's videos never get old. Great research and always so well presented, with that touch of Mike humor of course 😂 Thanks for the new video every week.
Mike, I ran across your channel by accident a few days ago. I’ve been binge watching ever since. I just wanted to say thank you for making awesome videos with amazing commentary for viewers to enjoy. I wouldn’t change a single thing about your videos. Perfection.
Mike, I love your TH-cam channel! I just can't stop myself from watching That Chapter! You obviously research each and every episode. paying meticulous attention to even the smallest detail because I've given them all a major goo! Thank you for all of your hard work Mike and I'll see you real soon in the next one!
I just wanted to say you did great job on the 2 chapters this week, even more so. Nanbro, the book review was so hilarious. And the twilight kids, the way you sat and told the story felt like extra relaxing for some reason, lol. I really appreciate what you do. Looking forward to next chapter.
6k views in 8 minutes. You certainly deserve to enjoy the success your channel has experienced because the hard work you put forth shines through with your ability to make such sad content enjoyable and even funny at times. Congratulations Mike my daughters and I really look forward to the videos you release every week. I hope everything is going good for you and your family Mike.
@@6AlphaMikeCharlie9 Over the years of being a subscriber Mike has commented several times to something I've said. That wasn't my goal, I really meant what I said. He really has worked really hard on it and his content and certainly deserves his channels success.
@@chesspiece81 yeah i´m sure it´s not your goal, but it´s still nice to get feedback from someone you follow, most channels don´t even read the comments i´m sure.
At some point a discussion needs to be done about single mothers who struggle. Society expects them to be a superhuman, when in fact they are normal people who had dreams and invested in unions and families, they were called on to protect, nourish, take care off all by themselves and have all the answers. Its insane. ( While it is more accepted for fathers to be absent and POS)
As a single mother for over 20 years , I want to thank you for this. It is sooo hard and it is much more acceptable for men to bail and not help. But let a mother do it, or God forbid ask for someone to help her get a few days break, and she's not doing her job. This thought process needs to change. Right now.
Yes, the fathers don't get punished by the system at all. They always get the kids and never have to pay for the lady and the kids. And when the lady gets the kids (with gods grace) they always get to see their kids. The lives of men get better when there's a divorce and children in play. Popular feminism today also advocates that women need more help and are not superhuman! It's those POS dads that are the culprit in all those situations!
@@juliestrickland7754 its almost like the companies say that what you do in your own time shouldn't affect the company?! How dare they!! They should take into account the actions you make in your own personal life! I mean, it's not like they run a business or anything jeez!!!
At the Court of Appeal, the judge accepted psychiatric assessments that Markham had an emerging personality disorder and Edwards significant psychiatric problems. The abuse they had received from an early age contributed to their "lack of development" as people. Their apparent lack of remorse is a direct consequence of that lack. The judge said "it was too early to judge remorse" and "noted that there were some signs that [Edwards'] attitude was beginning to change".
I appreciate your consistency Mike! Also love that you almost always do stories I have never heard before. And I really like the background stories on the people makes it more real, not just the crime but the life. You rock mike so happy to see how far you have come!❤️
My Gaddd! They look like babies! Kim is extremely selfish and self-centered.. it's all about her. Even her reasoning for killing her family, "so my mom and sister don't have to worry about me offing myself and they won't have to deal with the heartbreak." 👀 she has no remorse. Zero.
She is selfish and narcissist to the extreme. This is such a sad story. Imo another reason teens shouldn’t have sex. This just cemented their relationship. Young love is so strong, and makes people do crazy things.
@@calumbutter8959 well, when I was 14 my dad died suddenly and unexpectedly... it ripped me apart. Never once did I want to harm someone else for my pain. And the tantrums I had over not being able to see my boyfriend, never wanted to cause harm to anyone then, either. Her beint 14 is not an excuse, you know right from wrong, you have a general sense of what you're not supposed to do.
Love how you tell stories Mike (I'm newer to the channel) they help make my day a bit brighter whenever I get a notification for a new video (sometimes YT tells me a day or two later?). Thanks for all the hard work you put into researching these crimes.
Horrific. I'm lost for words. Apart from to say that they shouldn't ever be released. Thank you for all of your video's. Have a good day. From a fellow Irish, though I live in England.
The older I’ve gotten the more murder sentence of 15 years to 25 years seems way to little amount of time. Even when someone is young enough that the time is not a life sentence....there should be some kinds of save guards relating to the specific nature of their crime.
on the other hand, "20 life sentences" is hardly comfort to family of victims. In other countries we don't understand why the United States does that thing.
@@myfaveyoutube . Maybe not, but releasing sociopaths back into society at relatively young ages is *dangerous for the community.* Therefore we follow stricter sentencing procedures because perps of certain types of crimes (especially sociopathic murderers for example) present ongoing issues. The old and now outdated psychology that undergirded the “rehabilitation” idea - a rose-coloured-glasses idea popularized in the 1960s and very outdated now - has been losing support for decades.
Honestly they'll probably be in for a lot longer. Often times the original sentence will get close to finishing, the person will be re-evaluated, and if they're found to still be dangerous they'll have the sentence extended.
It’s an incredibly self centered view that they would have outgrown. I love my sister but she isn’t the center of my life… this kid consoled herself by saying “my sister won’t have to worry about me. Or mourn our mom” but she didn’t consider that her sister might have a life independent of both of those traumas as well. Horrible.
Watching you is addictive Mike, you've got the perfect personality for doing what you do! Keep hosting these vids and I will keep watching them all with a thumbs up!
Can they “become a normal person again?” I question if they were in the first place. They both needed medical and mental health care that they didn’t get. I hope besides “being behind bars” they both get extensive medical and mental health many hours a day, every day until they do get out!
Mike is the best illustrator of real crime that there has ever been. He gets direct to the point, he does his homework and he has a sense of humor. Mike is the shit, as he would say. Mike out
I feel like sometimes you could do everything right as a parent and still have the child turn into a little monster, but I'm not a parent so what could I know
As a parent, I personally don't buy into that line of thinking. It's all about what we do or don't do all along the way. Ultimately we can't control who they are inside, their true nature - we can only observe, guide & nurture what's already there - but it is up to us to pay attention and notice when things are not okay with our kids. It's our responsibility to intervene & get them help if they are struggling or going down a dark path. I think a lot of otherwise "nice" parents don't pay attention or take their kids seriously when there are signs of trouble
I seen parents who treated their children like dirt, but was loved by children unconditionally and they grove up really nice people. In same time kids who were "understood" came out absolute morans.
@@tonyabrookes9931 my older sister and I couldn’t be any more different, same parents, brought up the same, if anything she was favoured by my mother, I won’t bore you, but she’s a thief, and her 3 kids have all been in trouble with the law…don’t see her anymore thank god!
I know the times have changed, but I do think that 14 years old is really really early to be in a dating situation. I remember how I was when I was 14, and I always thought I was in love. It just seems sad that there weren't some kind of boundaries set early on. I don't know; this is just my comment
I was not allowed to date and hated it growing up but I focused on school, work, and sports. I am 35 now and appreciate that rule, I think it was reasonable. I don’t at all think back on it and hate my parents for it. I am thankful for it!
As someone who started dating at 13 and thus experienced heartache, and much worse, before my brain developed.. I agree with you. I don't care what people say, I would attempt to put off my children dating for as long as I possibly could. No "look at her and her boyfriend" jokes when she's a baby, no endless romance movies. 🤷🏼
My boy is about to be 14 and the kid hasn't even thought about a girlfriend!! I want him to stay a kid as long as he can. When I was 14 I was never even thinking about relationships. It's like everything is sped up now and kids aren't even being kids anymore and it's sad. I'm thankful I grew up in the 90s
I am so proud of how far Mike has come! You are well on your way to 2M! I first met you when you were super serious and had a little mustache 😉 And the new Henley looks great. Tho the floating head was pretty funny 🤔 Keep being you. Love ya too!
Aside from the abuse, I also blame SOCIAL MEDIA... It's becoming the downfall of humanity. So keep on popping out those children only to neglect/abuse them. Shame on us all! (bring on the nasty comments, because I expect nothing less... OR prove me wrong and lets have an open minded and intelligent conversation.)
An infamous case very close to the one you just described happened a block from my house. She has a new name a sealed record and a University degree here in Canada. It’s terrifying. The young couple killed her parents and little brother.
I love Mike and his wonderful voice lol I listen to him when I fall asleep almost every single night. His voice is like a lullaby... Please don't ever stop telling us crazy stories, we all love you mike!!💘
I have seen many different cases over the years like this, it's amazing how young teens can come to a decision to kill and believe that it's the right thing to do.
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
Every time you say “ Hey You” my husband comes to mind. That was his greeting to me from day 1 and until his last day on this earth.. 🌹 Thanks Mike for all your hard work and thanks for you just being you.
🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
That was lovely, you were and are a lucky lady
Snap! This always makes me think of my husband too, he always said that & the “love ya” as greetings & goodbye! It’s nice to hear a familiar story. Thanks Mike I always answer your sign off with the “love ya too”. Silly I know but nice to hear that even if it’s only through video! 🤣💖
@@71Bopper Reminds me of my ex-wife. I always used to say "Let's give it a goo!" before we would have sex.
She divorced me and she cited my, ahem, "weird, eccentric sense of humour" as a cause. Bitch.
awh thats so lovely
I feel most sorry for the sister. They should never be let out.
They should be let out when they are both extremely elderly and infirm, to be paraded through the streets in leg irons and manacles.
Short drops and sudden stops
So true
She deserved it
I despise what they did but children's brains are unable to make rational decisions. It's the very definition of not competent.
It's why we helicopter over them and guide them as much as we can for as long as we can.
So messed up. The single mum having spent her life either beaten up or trying to escape her violent husband only to be killed by her own daughter. A daughter who was already getting beaten up and controlled by the boyfriend. Tragic all around.
A tragic symptom of an increasingly broken society. So sad.
The mother also beat the daughter. I keep picturing that child coming home to find everything in her room gone. Things she kept from her childhood. From her friends. Maybe photos from good memories. A stuffed toy maybe. Even just your familiar bed. I hate that I have to qualify this with the 'I still don't condone what they did' statement, I don't condone it. But that act was so cruel. The mother could not have sent clearer signal: she was done with her. She must have felt so unloved.
@@hannah_wolf I completely agree with you. 💯
Violence and murder are not the answer. Nothing excuses what Kim and Lucas did to Liz and Katy. Therefore, it should go without saying, that I also don’t condone Kim’s disgusting crimes. However, and again, though Liz did not at all deserve to be killed, I do believe she was highly unfit for guardianship; custody should never have been reinstated.
Liz chose violent partners who she had planted in her daughters’ young lives. She may have left those partners, eventually, but she then became violent herself. She punched a six year old!
Liz was not able to handle teenage angst, she could not control her own anger, but she couldn’t even handle a defenseless child of only six. Since she was unable to calm herself enough to sit down in a loving, open and mindful manner to communicate possible resolutions, she most definitely needed professional help.
Instead, when things began to boil over, she fostered further deep-mistrust and resentment by going through her daughter’s belongings (probably some holding sentimental value) and clearing them out. Liz essentially threw a fit, and sent a clear message of cruelty.
I’ll never understand why some parents set a bad example throughout their children’s young lives, then fail to listen to their issues with an open mind and loving heart when they grow to be teenagers, and/or they ignore clear signs of mental illness.
Instead, these parents do nothing but scream and yell, including threats, without listening for a single moment, but then act as if they’re utterly gobsmacked when their teenager acts out more severely.
Teenage acting-out generally (thankfully) does not devolve into this extreme level of darkness. It sounds like Kim was seriously mentally ill, but was never provided with treatment.
This, again, does not mean Liz deserved death. It’s just very unfortunate that this all may have been avoided if professional intervention was taken, especially after Kim’s relationship with Lucas began, or whenever there were behavior changes.
Her mom Liz also used violence against Kim when she was just six years old. Violence breeds violence.
@@hannah_wolf I totally agree. My dad still keeps my room at his house as it always was and I don’t even live there and im 38. Completely heartless and not the right way to show guidance and unconditional love to your daughter. There are other ways. She already felt unloved as it was. Probably why she thought being treated like shit by that boyfriend was ok. Not saying this girl is justified tho, not one bit. I think she’s very damaged, she didn’t actually go through with the killing tho as she couldn’t. the boyfriend did tho he is deffo a psycho. Never should be allowed out
Thanks! My hubby and I look forward to your videos every week (Tues and Fri). Keep up the great 👍 work. We send our love. Blessings.
People regularly underestimate what children are capable of. Empathy is something that is largely learned. Combine a lack of empathy with still underdeveloped brains, kids can be absolute monsters.
Empathy is largely hindered by puberty fun fact.
And with the increase of social media there will be an increase in the lack of empathetic responses because when you have no such social interaction face to face then you can't engage someone's response when you say or do something that's the problem with today's society!
@@anthonyryan6716 "you've been saying"?
This is a *single* case spoken about here. One case does not represent a damn thing. Your logic is so flawed that it's astounding.
Anthony Ryan there's no logic to what you said at all.
anthony ryan that's a combination of a straw man fallacy and a circular reasoning fallacy.
Try harder
I love how the girl tried to make herself seem kind and merciful to her mom and sis by saying that they don't have to worry about her anymore now since they were slaughtered by her and her boyfriend. Yeah, she's a very thoughtful person in that sense, right?!?
Jill
Right if she was that concerned just k!ll yourself if you care so much about your family.
I'm pretty miserable most of the time. But I hope someone out there doesn't love me that much! :)
In fact, if everyone who worries at one time or another or is not that happy at one time or another was killed, there'd be very few people left on the planet.
Shit there's a couple of TH-camrs that I would rather end up murdered by then watch them again. Who knows it might be an actual mercy lol
Classic narcissistic behavior clearly has a wire loose somewhere needs serious help.
The irrational underdeveloped minds of teenagers really do scare the shit out of me
Inhales *THEY SAY THAT TEENAGERS SCARE THE LIVING SHIT OUTTA' ME!*
@@theblackbaron4119 🗣🗣THEY COULD CARE LESS AS LONG AS SOMEBODY BLEEDS
Yes - exactly. As we learn more about brain development and how traumatic exposures in early childhood affect the brain it’s surprising the human species made it this far
I remember being a 14yo boy. They are not nice, not at all.
I think it's why evolution makes them play with themselves so much.
If not for that little blessing there would be loads more of this.
@@kurtcurtis2730 I think it's more sad we've only made it this far.
Criminologist David Wilson has bluntly described them as demonstrating a 'high level of psychopathy', singling out Kim’s egocentric belief that she was actually doing her mother and sister a favour by killing them. In Kim’s words, 'my mum doesn’t have to deal with me anymore being like suicidal and she doesn’t have to wake up worrying every morning to see if I’m still alive', while killing Katie saved her from going through 'the heartbreak and just all the emotions
Exactly! If you listen to the taped interviews, she's accepting no responsibility.
I had the same reaction: everything she said about the victims was about herself.
absolutely
Yes, Unbelievable, yet said she hated her mother because she loved her younger sister more, but justified it by saying her mother wouldn't have to worry if she was going to commit suicide, total contradiction, pure evil and will kill again if crossed,
My goodness, I found this channel 2 weeks ago! I have been binge watching everyday since. I love true crime and to me this is the best way to get it. No bad actors, no endless conversations that mean nothing, no repeating the facts over and over …I love this show! Thanks 🙏
Mike is the absolute best!! Enjoy
Now we can all give it a goo
Calm - goooo on , enjoy
Welcome to the family or cult or.....? Zoo? 🙃😆
I'm jealous, you have alot of great stuff to watch for a long time.
What about the oldest sister? Time to Google.
Edit: Apparently the oldest sister had to go identify the bodies and she went to court to listen to the trial. That poor woman, I hope she gets all the therapy she wants/needs. 17,5 years is not enough in my opinion.
I've known this story for years - and never knew about Mary! Thanks for the update 👍 Poor lass
They should add the victims ages n hers and give both that amount of years.
Not an ounce of remorse and eventually will be released to prey on someone else!!!🙏😢⚖️🤔
@@chick-fil-agal2264 excellent idea. I’ve always thought they should average out the amount of time someone has left to live and then give them those amount of years, but i guess if they kill an older person that wouldn’t exactly work out very well for the victims or their families. Maybe the sentencing should be one of those two options. If they kill someone 50 and under then they estimate that the victim would have lived to...say, 75 years old. Then the murderer gets 25 years in jail minimum just for the murder charge. Then they also get the minimum time for what ever other charges they accrue while committing the onslaught of their crime(s). If they kill more than one person you add up all the years and that is also part of their sentence. If someone kills a person that is over 50 years old then the judge or jury adds the age of the victim to the number of years the killer must serve. Then all the other minimum required years for the rest of the charges. This should especially be true in the UK, Canada and Australia, as i believe they are immeasurably lenient on murderers.
@@melissadunton3534 there’s also have way lower murder and crime rates in those countries because of their lower sentences and the fact that they actually do their job and rehabilitate these people. They also treat their prisoners better in every aspect. And before you say it, yes…I know that “these people should be given the worst circumstances available” but people that say this stuff don’t realize that murders only take up a small percentage of the prison system so that argument is moot. Not only do they actually rehabilitate people but they’ve also decriminalized drugs and have true harm reduction programs so the 45% of our prison system that are in OUR prisons for non violent drug charges are non-existent there. Canada has safe supply programs where they can go to a type of vending machine/kiosk and get opioids 3 times a day to get high with so they’re not having illicit fentanyl on their streets being the number one cause of death like in the US. The Netherlands have clinics like our methadone clinics where people with substance use disorder can go and get their daily dose of heroin and/or cocaine in the 80s. They’re actually the the first ever to even have a harm reduction center and clinic. Guess what happened to these people that 🇺🇸 would deem a waste/too far gone/living off the government/degenerates ? They lived normal lives and were productive members of society. The best part of all this is because drugs have always been legal in the Netherlands so there’s absolutely no freaking stigma surrounding people who use substances and their success rate of their treatment facilities is through the roof because they don’t drill into peoples heads that abstinence is the only way to recover and that myth of “once an “addict”/“alcoholic”, always an “addict”/“alcoholic” that were both made up by AA and were both dangerously incorrect and have costs millions their lives.
So people always bash these countries but they got it figured out. Our prison system only teaches criminals to do even harder crimes cause theyre never taught they can be more than what they think and that they’re better than this and creates severe untreated mental illnesses. Hence our extreme and rapidly increasing crime rates.
So sad when kids are attracted to abusive mates because they are familiar in a sick and dysfunctional sort of way. Of course, adults do this too.
I couldn't agree more, very common when you look at a lot of couples.
If Kim hadn't met Lucas, it would have been someone exactly like him because even though he could be violent and abusive, he still showed her love. Kim was primed for any future partner who gave her affection & "love", regardless of how toxic that relationship might be. The only positive I can see that came out of this case, is that by committing the murders at such a young age they were separated early, before they could have children and drag them into their violent & toxic version of a love story, and create a new generation of damaged children.
Too many women (or girls, like in this case) are attracted to idiots, bullies and jerks... It's like a force that attracts them to their own ruin.
I’d listen to you reading the phone book. Best true crime TH-camr out there. Thank you for all your hard work, Mike x
Echo that
Alpha Bravo Tango that too
@Red Riddler😂😂😂
Wow. Hadn’t thought of it before but that’s probably true if he had a good story to tell about every 7th number.
@@RendaJaneor every “tird” 😂
I remember when Mike seemed a little embarrassed to say, "cause I love ya...," but now he says it with confidence. 🙃 So sweet! We all love you too Mike!
Right!!!
Yeah! Ive noticed it too! :-D
Spot on, when i’m having a rough day,listening to Mike always makes it less difficult.
This episode is quite different to me, as Mike is much more opinionated compared from before.
I thought It used to be more facts and figures with a slight thrown wonderful opinion, but this time it's a narrative as if he was right there! haha !
Its different...
Couldn't agree more. Mike does a fabulous job. He has sensitivity, wit, charm, great sense of humour. Why I watch that chapter! Not to mention he has an honest take and delivery on what happened.
Thank you Mike for all your hard work,i hope you take some time for yourself for some R&R and peace of mind I know the research on some of these videos can be hard but we all love and can't get enough of your content !
Oar & oar 🤍
No I hope Mike does videos every day.
@@DeRock401 I feel you,i cant get enough either lol but I really believe that would be mentally exhausting.
@@DeRock401 he’s not a frickin machine! He’s not just a floating head in a black void behind a screen solely created to produce videos for you Jesus Christ. He’s a human being. I get you love his videos I do too but the amount of work that goes into researching, creating, producing, editing, and posting these videos with the quality that he does and the energy that he does that we all love him for, is exhausting. Even doing it at the amount that he already does. Doing it every day? Don’t even get me started
@@aestheticallysad_3016 wait wait, do you think he does all of this by himself? Lol no. There's a team of writers, editors, and producers that all get paid very well to make these videos. It's a business. I can see you you might get the impression that it's all Mike, but I'm sorry, it's not. These are professionals, and it shows. This is not a dig at the channel or Mike. It's a compliment.
It’s absolutely insane that even after the murders they both feel that they did the right thing, clearly some level of sociopathy or psychopathy for both of them. Honestly, the fact they got less than 20 years is absurd, they both should’ve gotten at least 40-50 for something that heinous.
I find it a bit odd that they both got the same sentence. She helped planned the crime, but in the end she couldn't murder. He, on the other hand, murdered two people.
I disagree, they both need rehabilitation and shouldn’t be locked away for 50 years. Besides it’s a minimum term of 17.5 years.
In Europe and especially the punishment for teenagers is very lenient compared to the USA. In the USA at least these guys would have gotten a 30 years or more. These two most likely can get back together after they're out. I hope not because that would be really messed up especially for the victims. It's like they got what they wanted in the end.
a 14 year olds mind is not fully developed and throw in mental illness.....I hope they realize now what they have done.
neither child was in their right minds.
Prison will give no reahabiltation especially for children...if they got 50 years and then got released they will be even more sociopathic...they need therapy and medication or life in prison I guess
17 years, zero remorse and still only 17 years. Horrific justice system
it's mind-boggling how such baby faces are paired to these detached, horrific crimes
Agreed. It's jarring
As opposed to Mom's monster face? Hey, I'm just sayin. Bride of Frankenstein over there.)
@@schrisdellopoulos9244 what are you trying to say. Kim and her boyfriend are entirely to blame for their actions. You sound ignorant that’s all I’m saying.
@@schrisdellopoulos9244 LOL MAN is she hard to look at. Those Brits aren't no. 1 in the looks dept i'll tell ya. throw in the bad teeth and forget about it
Yeah we have learned from this channel and others that looks can be deceiving.
But I bet it would be a little more obvious what he was like if one knew him.
Probably a real jerkoff
I hope the surviving sister is ok. She lost her whole family---mom, siblings. Didn't seem like her birth father was in her life.
[CW: abuse, the cycle of abuse, toxic families, violence, ableism]
My mom was born into an extremely toxic and abusive family. To give just one example, her mother tried to murder her at least twice before she was a teenager.
My mom broke the cycle of abuse and no one in her family talks to her. The only time they come around is when my mom is struggling or suffering, so they can gloat.
I have always had an extremely close relationship with my mom and thought I was close with other family members and friends until I started having health issues, and then they abandoned me because I wasn't fun anymore, they couldn't "deal" with it, etc.
That did almost break me. Losing everyone but my mom when I was sick.
But for both me and my mom, losing toxic relationships was a good thing.
It is better to be completely alone in the world than connected to people who will only ever take and take and take and never give anything back.
This is the best hope for her. She is free.
@@janeeyre1990 im sorry
@@janeeyre1990 thank you for this insight. Hope you continue to heal and thrive.
@@janeeyre1990 no violence or ablism there Jesus christ your just weak minded really
@@janeeyre1990 I hope you are feeling much more healthy now. Credit to your mum for breaking the cycle
Appreciate your effort & commitment, Mike! The best true crime content on youtube. Thumbs up if you agree!
17yrs for brutal, calculated, premeditated cold-blooded murder. Fascinatingly sad & pathetic.
Don't you just love how Mike's confidence has grown over time?...just as much as his shirt collection 😂.....
In all seriousness, watching from Kenya, I love the coverage, Always looking forward to the next new video, THUMBS UP!
Yep you are right. Watching from Nigeria
watching from kenya too
Priscilla Kaguara, I thought I was the only Kenyan obsessed with the spooky....😅
That's exactly what I was just thinking. If you go back a couple years he's a tad more reserved, still fantastic but his confidence and skill at crime storytelling has absolutely taken off!
We're so proud of ya', Mikey!
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I don't. Bit of a prick.
I'm glad you covered this awful case. It made no sense to me at the time. It still doesn't. It's frightening to know that 2 very young people could plot and carry out the murders, with no remorse.
I am sure they felt that no one ever gave a damn about them. Its shocking and awful, yes. But these kids were failed by their own families, in ways that damage their sense of compassion. I think the girl truly felt like they had spared her mom and sister from the pain and heart break of life. She obviously knew that pain, and it had overwhelmed her life . I am not saying I understand, I am saying that in their eyes ( childrens eyes) they had been failed by their family and the system. Children are often unable to see past their own pain. A terribly sad and devastating case, a mother and young daughter gone, and then their lives are gone as well.
@@primesspct2 Seriously?
If they almost carry out a suicide they already have little to loose, and if they think there is a killable cause of that misery, just by vengence with enough gut and hate suicide can turn to murder pretty quick
@@primesspct2 you're condoning what they've done. I grew up in foster care, and whilst i did, i was raped, beaten, left in a small room with a bucket to do my business in. My family, although dysfunctional, still love me, and i them. What she did was straight up evil, there is no excuse for it. So her family life may have been difficult, but so were most peoples, doesn't give us a right to kill people. Seriously mate.
@@primesspct2 Lol man stop with the excuses. Most people that feel nobody cares about them usually kill themselves not innocent people that didn't do anything to them. There's also kids in WAY worse situations that don't turn to murder. These "kids" we're clearly messed up in the head.
I was having an ordinary lonely day but once I heard « Hey you! » it made my heart smile and I’m happy you’re there!
Brought a little tear to my eye. I feel like Mike is all our best friend.
It made your heart smile.....and then you hear a horrific story of murder.
I get what you mean, though 😉
Always remember you are important. Find joy in yourself and not in circumstances. Happiness is a choice. I wish you happier days and lots of laughter.
No such thing as a lonely women
Have a lonely day, but when a murder show comes on, you're happy? Weirdo
its so upsetting to think that the mother fought for her life most likely thinking her entire family was in danger that night. her last thoughts were pure struggle and fear for her kids
They have a long life to live still when they’re out. I wouldn’t trust that they’ve changed. Love ya Mike!
Prison certainly isnt going to rehabilitate them! I've been to prison, it makes you worse, way worse! You're surrounded by monsters.
Hell I'm well into middle age and still will have a lot of time to live when these beasts are free. Not a very long sentence at all.
@@Andrea1542 Well you aren't their parents, so I think you'll be ok.
My sister worked with one of the Bulger killers.
These kids get a hell of a lot of attention and guidence.
Killing them seems reasonable
It's heartbreaking to see the photo of Katy's sweet little face. Poor Katy and Liz.
Mike is probably one of the best true crime story Tellers even if he had no visuals just by the way he explains things you would have a visual in your head
Right...look at that little face and you could almost see everything that is missing in her sister. Katy's gaze is direct, frank, gentle...her sister looks like a doll, with a doll's lifeless gaze. Even in photos where she's supposed to be happy, Kim's eyes are kind of...empty. I know a photo can't tell you everything, but still...
You know that it's going to be bad when the pictures of the children are not blurred out, it's even worse when it happens just because the children are in the way wrong place at the wrong time.
All because of her sisters vile jealousy 😓
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
It is a horrible story. I feel terrible for the sister and the mother also. You never know about kids these days. They can be as dangerous as psychopathic adults. You have to watch everyone.
The truly frightening thing about this is that once they are released they will be able to change their names and relocate. So no one will ever know what they did unless they commit other crimes in the future.
I was teaching in that school, at the time. Don't remember Lucas, as he had been expelled, by then, but Katie was a happy girl, around school. Kim was very quiet. When they "disappeared " together, in the previous November, that should have been the hugest red flag. I mean, they went off camping, in the middle of winter! Mental health services, in this country, are not what they should be and I'm pretty sure that this previous incident was not treated as seriously as it should have been. It was an incredibly tragic outcome to what I'd call a Romeo and Juliet situation.
BTW the school was not Spalding Academy, at that time, it was called Sir John Gleed.
Spalding does seem ike a sleepy, little market town but, around the same time, a man shot his wife and daughter, outside the local gym. Spalding is on the map, for all the wrong reasons.
"Romeo & juliet" really?????
@Elizabeth Forsyth Like a version where Romeo & Juliet killed everybody but themselves
@@elizabethforsyth4814 in a sense, yeah! "Star-crossed lovers", teenagers whose families don't want them together, and it ended in death... Only difference is *whose* death.
@@elizabethforsyth4814 yes, really. A tragedy that should never have happened. Why so critical?
@@TheWoodEyeLyes exactly! Thank you.
Both families threw all their belongings out except a mattress. It reminds me of when my son was on drugs and the standard advice I got was that I should throw him out of the house. These are one-size-fits-all, "There, that'll show 'em" answers. I never threw my son out because I knew it would confirm to him the one thing he was most afraid of, and it confirmed to Kim what she was most afraid of: that her mother didn't love her. After that there's nothing left for kids to listen to or care about in their families. It is all but impossible to figure out what each teen needs, but these methods that say, "I loathe you. You disgust me." are really not it.
I have 3 boys and I don't think I could ever kick them out or turn them away either. I've always said the house I live in will have a extra bedroom in case my kids ever need to come home for any reason. Idc if they're 45 they can always live with me
Good for you, Anne. Parents always deny they have favourites, their children always know who is the favourite and who isn‘t, and it‘s horrible. I love that you consistently showed your son that you love him and tried to help. No-one is saying that Kim‘s mother deserved to be murdered. But being so ignored in favour of a sibling absolutely sucks.
Yeah I agree, honestly those methods are closer to abuse than anything else. And in this case I think it's clear it made things way worse. Especially with kids who had already suffered some forms of emotional and/or physical abuse. I don't understand how anyone could think that this would help. Especially with teenagers that young who are still very emotionally sensitive and whose brains are still far from fully developed.
Allowing a teenager to live in your house while they steal from and abuse you isn't doing them or you any favors. All your doing is showing them that their actions don't have consequences. A lot of times jail and or prison is the only way for addicts to string together any sort of clean time. they'll introduce them to suboxone and rehab programs that will give them the tools to stay sober. I know you think your helping but your doing the opposite by allowing an addict to live with you. This is coming from someone who went to prison and that made me realize that was going to be my life If I didn't straighten up. I now have a 4 year old daughter and haven't done drugs in 7 years. I wouldn't allow her to live with me while she was an addict if she took that path. Every single rehab I've ever been to and every addict I have ever ment has said that did nothing but help further progress their disease
I have three girls and one boy. My two eldest girls went to university, my boy is a whole different kettle of fish. At 15 he was smoking weed, drinking, stealing from me, hiding out in my shed in the winter to do all this. Everyone said I needed to kick him out. My oldest daughter still doesn't speak to me because of his disgraceful behaviour. I'm a single mum and have done everything for my four, I have a little one with downs syndrome who is younger than my boy. All I ever thought was someone needs to be there for him, when everyone else gave up on him, he still had a lovely heart and although I wanted to throttle him I knew someone needed to be there. He's 19 now and on the other side, so much more to go into but he goes to the gym every day. Still free loading, but hey... 😉
You are one of my favorite TC TH-camr. I love how you recount these cases by sticking to the facts, adding no fancy frills or bows, respectful of everyone including us, your audience and with a subtle sense of humor. No false lowering of the voice, no creating suspense after every 2-3 sentences, no false crying and getting all emotional, no puppies and babies popping up, etc. You ze bezt Mike ! Love from Brazil 🇧🇷
I mean, is it subtle? He's pretty hilarious considering the subject matter. Hahahah. Like you said though, there's nothing but respect there. The balance definitely makes this channel one-of-a-kind.
Mike tells the stories like the old irish playwriters like samuel Beckett i feel ,tragedy mixed with humour, its part of our DNA.😉🇮🇪🇮🇪
Stop sucking up haha it was a decent video but come on
@Van Loojan I agree!!! The perfect balance.
It's not sucking up. It's called support, Sir. For those of us that can't pitch on Patreon, we leave comments that we support the work and would like him to continue making it 👍
Hey you! I'm here, and you're my alibi. 😆 Thanks for the show. Muah!
Hahahhaha
Haha! I’ll be your witness any day
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Hey nice shirt mate 😜
Geez, I accidentally ran over a cat yesterday and that's going to haunt me for months. I can't imagine being so callous that murdering your own mother and sister is seen as some kind of favour to them.
A: They obviously never planned to off themselves, otherwise they wouldn't have had to kill her sister to prevent her going to cops!
B: It's insane to kill someone because they'll call the cops or cuz they're a witness, when ur crime is something you're definitely gonna be caught for anyway... even more so when you literally make zero effort to prevent being caught or minimizing evidence. They coulda just tied the sister up or whatever. Totally senseless crimes! No point whatsoever.
She said it was out of jealousy.
Ofcourse they would kill the only witness..
@@daijme The poster is correct however - that may have been her excuse later but it was born of jealousy and a desire to get her out of the way. They made zero effort to conceal their crime so the idea that they were eliminating a “witness” is ludicrous.
Wow both great points but thanks for pointing out A! Very smart.
Kim kept saying her mum liked Katie more - I feel like there is jealousy there from Kim that could be more a motive that she might be too proud to admit
I think it's safe to say that these two will always be dangerous. There's no rehabilitation I don't believe when you are that broken. And I doubt 17 years in prison will change them for the better.
Agree. There is a certain callousness that’s unmatched with these two and I think the 17 yrs, it that they’ll even do the full time, will only help them to learn to hide better but not change their selfish nature.
Absolutely agree. They will be around 30 when they are out, and looking at their emotion less attitude, we will probably see another video about them in this channel after 11 years. 17 years is too less a punishment for two pre-meditated murders.
I totally agree. After doing something like that, they are marked. Your mother and sister for crying out loud.
Long sentences never work..
@@eggbirdtherooster Yes, but capital punishment will ensure they'll never be a threat in the future. The justice system should treat them as the cancer they are.
I will never grow tired of your content. You manage to tell these stories with humor while also being respectful to the victims and their families.
That Chapter and True Crime Loser are the only 2 channels I’ve found that can pull it off and makes them a joy to watch
Totally agree 👍
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@@AParallelReality try deadbug
@@milkyo1206 I love him. He just uploaded today. 👊🏼
Bodycam clip during the intro music... it's gonna be a belter again!
Mike you are a national treasure and should be protected at all cost.
This saying is already getting old..it is literally stupid
@@WeBeatMedicare6969 sounds like someone's mom didn't kiss you good night huh?
Everybody gathering around for Friday story-time by Mike - Yay! We're so excited to give it a goo! Love ya, Mike! (Nice shirt too, btw)
Maaaan I was checking his channel all day at work, like "It's Friday, Mike!!! Wheres the video?!" Lmao😂
It's heartbreaking to see the photo of Katy's sweet little face. Poor Katy and Liz.
You are who you hang out with. She is not that innocent obviously
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@@4Moth2Mellow0 are you....talking about a little kid that was murdered in her sleep for no reason other than she'd call the police? is this real? it's late but if i'm reading this right you are one sick person.
@@rimok.2765
They are probably aware of what you are saying and that is even more scarier than that comment they made like it was nothing.
This whole situation makes me feel so sick to my stomach! I hope she sees her mother and sister every time she closes her eyes, for the rest of her life!
I can't stress enough how much I adore your videos. Your voice just makes me smile; the quips are hilarious; & the content makes me furious or sad. All in all just a Rollercoaster of odd emotions. I'm happy here. 😊
Bro, your cool jokes and the way you don't try to make yourself sound all creepy/cringy like all the other crime channels out there. You being yourself and simply adding your commentary where you are just being you, and not trying to make it creepy. That's why you're by far my favorite True Crime YTber. I love it so much man. Never change, keep being yourself. I will always watch your videos as soon as they come out. I've gotta be one of the biggest fans of this channel. Much love Mike. Fa sho. You will always have a lifelong fan
What an interesting tale they tell. If it took about 10 minutes for Liz to die & she was screaming for even 1 -2 minutes of that time while being stabbed, why didn't Katie wake up? How did Kim get covered in so much blood that she had to take a bath with Lucas if she had no part in the murders? As you can see I have a few issues with their explanation of what took place. I am more inclined to believe that while Lucas killed Liz, Kim killed Katie . As for teen killers being rehabilitated, history shows that this happens once in a blue moon, all too often once released they go on to commit more murders.
But perhaps they commit another crime to be sent back to the place they've been conditioned to see as home.Prison,even without violence causes serious mental harm.And there is no effort to rehabilitate anyone.
It happened with Mary Bell. She was 10 when she killed 2 little boys. That poor girl had a absolutely horrific upbringing. Her mom started selling her out for sex starting at 4yo. Her mom made it clear she didn't want her or love her. But she was able to grow up and live a normal life and even had a daughter of her own.
@@boathousejoed9005 exactly... and they know prison is designed that way just to keep the revolving door going pretty sad... they also don't have no interest in rehabilitating anyone & they know it... hope u have a wonderful weekend!!
I'd be really impressed if you can name one underage killer that was caught, released, and killed again.
@@montanaelkwhisperer1744 Same....and can they do it without googling a specific wildcard. lol
My God, they are Horrifying!!! Rest in Peace Liz,and Katie
No I don’t really think they can become “normal”, they weren’t normal to begin with. I remember how emotional teen crushes are, I was there once a long time ago. I was devastated when my first boyfriend broke up with me, thought my life was over at 16. But I never considered killing anyone. BTW, the second guy I dated has been my husband for the last 43 years and counting. Senseless murder of two lovely people for no reason what so ever.
Oh there was a reason for it, we just don't consider it valid, or at least some of us. Lukas's issues weren't well discussed here, but Kim's were, and she dealt with significant mental illness, possibly with the most comparable murder in the UK being Mary Bell's murder of those two little boys in 1968. She was released and treatment back then compared to now was much different. She appears to not have reoffended despite t he heinous nature of her crime at 10 years old. There is nothing that says that Kim is untreatable, she just had an absolutely fucked life as a child, to the point where her older sister was not surprised at the remorseless nature of her participation, towards her mother. Showing that she was well aware of the issues between Kim and her mom. to not be shocked that your little sister has no remorse for killing your mother is just absolutely nuts, was kim right about her mother and the blatant favoritism towards katie?
where your 13-14 year old daughter attempts to end her own life, and you don't have her admitted to be treated for severe depression? What the hell was going on in that home.
there was a perfect storm of factors here that any one of them had they been caught would have changed the likelyhood of this happening. She may have never even met Lukas, if say she had been appropriately treated for you know...trying to end her own life at 12-13-14 years old? WTF.
Wow, I'd love to find someone I could be around for 43 years! Congratulations :)
There was indeed a reason for them to kill. Wanted to? Independence? Drugs? Personal af tho
You married ur second boyfriend in ur life and had a successful marriage?? That's amazing, congratulations!
@@dannywilliams6290 thank you. I am proud of us.
I remember when, as an adult, I was not afraid of teenagers. Now? Terrified. There are too many stories similar to this one with these deranged, pathological monsters that are all of 15 years of age.
Another great video, Mike. Thanks for telling it in a respectful way to the victims, as you always do. We all luv ya, too!
These two in particular had personality disorders that needed therapy. Something many countries fail to identify or provide. The kids usually just get punished for bad behaviour which ofc doesnt work on them. It would work on a normal person.
Most plp with personality disorders really show as teenagers as the hormones rage, but they're actually born that way. Normally they get overlooked as just problematic kids
When you were an adult you didn't fear them, so are you no longer an adult?
Please don’t be afraid of the 99% who are awesome! Well, most are awesome… a few have some hormone surges that make them sassy, but not many are like this!
@@TheDramacist RIGHT.
Sad the mother chose to ship Kim off to foster care instead of sticking by her through therapy..
Just my 2 cents. I can't say what home life was like but I would never.
Doesn't excuse what they did....it's just sad AF
@@imlistening1137 Ehhh, maybe.
It's def good to have hope for our future.
I guess living in inner city low income housing has made me a wee bit jaded but others here give me hope. So, you never know! ♡
Children here have very little to no parental supervision
Many of them are criminals by the time they reach teens.
Sad, sad, sad. 😞
Mike is probably one of the best true crime story Tellers even if he had no visuals just by the way he explains things you would have a visual in your head
Mike and MrBallen are the best
@@giggleweed I prefer MrBallen, I find Mike to be a bit disrespectful to the subject matter sometimes.
@@nancyneyedly4587 I can see that, I still love them both though. No one can pull me in to a story like MrBallen tho.
@@nancyneyedly4587 Nothing remotely disrespectful about Mike. He is a fantastic storyteller , perhaps you don't understand/get his Irish delivery.
@@nancyneyedly4587 right? He’s so upbeat and tells cringe jokes while talking about horrific crimes. His old videos were better and easier to follow cause he wasn’t so focused on trying to be “funny”
17 years for killing 2 people that's a helluva deal...
Only 8.5 each
Thanks Mike. You’ve come such a long way. Love the structure, the editing, storytelling and the ‘Mike’ness’
Keep em coming!
So we can give it a gooo
I was in my first relationship and my parents were against it but listening to this (and it was a difficult time), I never once thought of harming anyone. Thank God that was never a thought!
Were you mentally and physically abused for the entire extent of your childhood and left almost totally untreated and without support like these two kids were?
So what? That's pretty much the norm..
You could've been Kim in the story if you had a boyfriend like her's
Teen lovers are disturbing regardless of murdering, I was a teen lover once so I speak from experience.
Right it's scary
That's the most INSANE thing I've ever heard. Maybe you were disturbed man but I wasn't. Neither were my girlfriends. We had a lot of good times. And nothing disturbing was done or happened.
I always find hearing "teen" and "lover" in the same sentence is in itself disturbing. But yeah, I found them disturbing even when I was a teen myself.
@@markmike7933 - I was being SILLY (as we're doing caps, apparently) apart from the murdering part. As you were.
Edit - You need to listen to more things, if that's the case.
I was a teen in love once, have been married to him for 43 years. It is not always bad.
You are my absolute favorite true crime TH-camr. II've seen like almost all of your videos because you're a comforting figure to me, i binged them for a long time. I love that you can even sneak in some humor while being respectful to the victims and i think you're the best example of a person who's into true crime for the right reasons. I like your accent and the way you talk, and of course your storytelling. Your videos are extremely high quality and i really like that you actually show your face when you talk, it's much more enjoyable than true crime videos just filled with stock footage and almost robotic speech. You're a great character and i hope you continue to do what you do. Your way of narrating is always a pleasure and you know how to present these cases without trying to make them "spooky" as if they were horror stories and i think that shows the respect you have for the victims as well, treating them like real people and not horror characters. I also love your choice of music! Just kudos to you over all man.
You need to cover the story of "The boys on the tracks". Tons of crazy twist and turns. Keep up the great work.
Is that the one in Arkansas that seems to be a messy cover up? Googled the boys on the tracks but I'd like to be sure!
@@ViperliciousOG Yeah, I'm thinking it's the one your thinking about with drugs, money laundering and to top it off Governor Bill Clinton.
Has alot to do with the "clintons"...watched the documentary..it was fascinating
that was a huge clinton conspiracy for trading guns to rebels for cocaine.
@@ViperliciousOG yes, that's the one.
This case reminded me a lot of the Jasmine Richards case here in Canada… especially when you asked if someone can go on and live a normal life. She is out and free for years now, although she’s had a name change and is (I believe) protected by a sort of witness protection type program
Yeah I heard about that case. It’s interesting how she’s out free now
Canada sucks at that.
What part of Canada? Gonna look this up next
@@maramalfoy7630 ummm I think Edmonton but I could be wrong. Just look up Jasmine Richardson
Yep! She's out in university now.. I believe in Calgary or Edmonton something like that. Crazy eh.
Depressed teenager who wants to commit suicide decides instead to have her boyfriend kill both her mom and her sister, simply because she would call the police on them, and then both of them have no remorse afterwards, and don’t feel sorry for their actions in anyway. This is a really sad case.
They say they murdered her because she would call the police but they sat in that house waiting on the cops to show up so that logic doesnt seem true to me
I mean you’ve guessed there is no remorse, it could be really eating them up on the inside. Something like this 100% would. Especially when they have 4 walls to look at everyday. They were defo failed by the system and their families.
@@robwebb3882 that's no excuse for killing the mom and little sister. They knew precisely what they were doing and planned it for days prior. It doesn't matter if the system failed them because they're still 2 little pieces of evil shits.
I've known a handful of people who the "system failed" and they didn't turn out to be murderers, and they were abused like crazy too. These 2 are just evil people for whatever reasons and that's all there is to it. I mean they killed the little sister, they said because they didn't want her to call the police but obviously it was because Kim was jealous of the relationship between her and their mom like she said before. That little girl was abused just like Kim, and ended up being murdered, not the murderer.
This sends a bad message to future teens committing murder. Hey, you're still young and impressionable. So go on ahead and murder. You don't have to worry about life sentencing or death penalty. See you out in the real world in your 30's. Shake my head.
I believe the suicide was after the fact.
They should never be allowed out . They have no REMORSE
I absolutely love how Mike uses a plain black background instead of having a bunch of stuff behind him. You're awful! Lmao that little McDonald's whistle got me. Omg I snorted laughing
Likewise. ('I'm lovin' it'....) :)
@@taras6806 lmao right? I'm like deep into this story then out of nowhere "do do do do doooo"
@@jenniferjones8453, I chuckled too. That's our Mike :)
@@jenniferjones8453 New dingle there :)
I think Kim is going to leave juvi with regret, shunned by the rest of the family and life a very lonely existence. Lucas however given his track record and the fact he killed 2 people without hesitation or remorse is going to end up spending most of his adult life in and out of prison for increasingly violent offences. The lives those kids had was over the moment they took those two lives and no matter how much counciling or rehabilitation they get they will forever have blood on their hands.
Agreed, what hope do these two have anyway without having completed high school and after spending the entry into adulthood behind bars? They have no knowledge to continue a normal existence, so will probably resort to crime again
I think you are wrong. Kim is the cold blooded calculated killer. Lucas was nothing but a pawn in this females destructive life. She literally got a boy from school who liked her to Jill her family for her. Than proceeds to not get in trouble at all for it. Lol… and you think she will be fine? No it’s Lucas who might actually change not the girl
There's alot of cases where the girl is a complete covert narcissistic sociopath in how she used the boy to enact the violence for her. You have to see that this is a very powerful Characteristic trait in womens abilities. And act the victim, the damsel in distress for the man to put on his cape and save. The fem fetale who wraps him in. And tells him the only way for us to be together. We must do this in order for us to be together. A lot of cases, this is the paradigm in them.
Wrong !!! She showed far less remorse and took far less accountability then he did , I’m sorry but I have far less hope for the person who planned out and helped execute a murder on her own family .
Both mental case, burn it, I don't believe they have a moral compise, SORRY teen rage is real bad!!!
always brightens my mood when you post! happy friday mike. much love from texas💖
Thank you so much Kaylee!
Love from San Antonio, Kaylee. Hope you’re staying cool & hydrated (:
Lol stories of murder brightens your mood ey? Lol jk I totally get it! I love it when he posts too… even though that means people are dead..l
Too hot here in Texas!
It brightens my mood too, until I hear the story of tragic murder....it's kind of a downer 👍.
This episode really shows how truly talented you are as a true crime narrator.
You have an amazing ability to seamless weave in humour while showing the utmost respect for the victims and their families.
You have found your true calling 😉
I agree!!
Right he had this story organized and told it perfectly. I say this because wow it's such a jam packed story.
I bet it could be fun though, if instead of horrible stories and gross people, Mike could lead us on tours of his favorite small towns.
"Best Small Towns and Villages of Florida, Ontario and Upstate New York!" We know how much he longs to dive into the life of these fascinating places and the kaleidescopic life their citizens are always leading-- endless variety, cultural excellence-- that's the kind of thing he'd show us. And instead of plunging into the lives of sick families on the verge of dissolution, there'd be visits with the mayor, his lady wife, and other dignitaries. So interesting for him and us and we don't have to fear tuning in to Mike, only to get massively depressed and bummed out. Not that I'm complaining but--just an idea, Mike- Oh.
Oh Mike, I love you too ! Another well done story about a horrific true crime. May we ALL keep a Sound Mind.
Of all the dark love stories to choose from, they chose Twilight? That's a tragedy in itself 🙃
Anyone who likes that stupid series needs some serious help
Lmao
You win
No one's introduced their kids to NBK💞🙌🏾
It makes us cringe about as hard as their story, so it’s fitting
Love your tone in this video, almost like you're fed up with it lol.. hope all of these cases aren't taking a toll on you brother. Mental health before anything else.
I don't think there would ever be enough therapy or rehabilitation to make either of these two safe to be in society.
Hi Mike good to see you as scheduled . Oh my gosh your own mother and justifying it as a ‘mercy’ killing no remorse nothing, very disturbing!
Mike, your videos are the only thing that gets me through my day sometimes. You see, I work as a nurse and see sick patients all day so sometimes it's nice to take a break from my real life patients, and listen to some crazy ass people being.... well, crazy! Thanks Mike for all that you do!
I can't imagine what you have been through the last couple years. Please accept a virtual hug from an internet stranger 🤗
Compassionate nurses are so wonderful, but the mean ones can be scary. Thank you for being nice to your patients.
@@victoriawilliams2786 Thank you, I truly appreciate that! ❤️
@@rt66vintage16 I agree, and the mean ones make me so, so mad. I completely agree with those who say that not everybody should be a nurse, because it's so true. Our patients come to us at what is usually their worst moments. The least we can do is provide some comfort and compassion because I know a lot us aren't always the best in our worst moments either.
I am a patient with a chronic rare illness, so it’s probably people like me that you’re running away from. I wouldn’t blame you a bit!! Lol! 😆😆
This is just so hard to grasp. Looking at Kim and Lucas's photos I just see babies, not violent killers. It's scary. And it's scary how calm and emotionless they were while explaining what they'd done and why.
Your intro and closing NEVER gets old to me! It ain’t That Chapter without “let’s have a goo” and “-cuz I love ya… Mike out.”
It’s such a simple but great opener and closing, that’s makes me excited to hear the storytelling and ends with the best feeling, cuz we Love ya too, and your storytelling is important and means so much to us!
I’m Irish as well, but 2nd gen American. My name is Erin, last name couldn’t be more Irish either. Just adore you Mike!
He really does make murder and family insanity stories a lot of fun! Luck of the Irish ☘️?
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
@@1017BrickSquaddd22 Suggest the case to him on Twitter...there's a much better chance that he'll see your Tweet than a YT comment.
You mean, "let's have a gew". haha.
@@1017BrickSquaddd22 I've added this case to my list of scripts to work on.
I will get a video out covering it this month. Sounds very interesting.
How magnanimous of Kim to spare her mum and sister the pain of worrying about her. She's awesome.
Right? Isn’t she so thoughtful?? 😱
Her mum was a child abuser and her abusive upbringing was the price factor in this crime occurring.
I also wanted to pay her respect for thinking so gently about her mom and sister's fragility and their mind process. She's a real sunshine.
Her mum was right not to like her. She was never likeable. Likely the traits that caused her to murder were there from early childhood. Likely inherited from her dad, the psycho wife batterer. Abortion is a gift, more people should have them.
@@littleblackpistol lol
I seen this on confessions of a serial killer and it was interesting watching psychologist break doen the interrogations in full.Way to go mike always impressing me sir.
When you ask if it's possible to rehabilitate them, it certainly brings to mind the James Bulger case. I guess only time will tell.
Mike's videos never get old. Great research and always so well presented, with that touch of Mike humor of course 😂 Thanks for the new video every week.
Mike, I ran across your channel by accident a few days ago. I’ve been binge watching ever since. I just wanted to say thank you for making awesome videos with amazing commentary for viewers to enjoy. I wouldn’t change a single thing about your videos. Perfection.
Welcome!
Mike uploads every Tuesday and Friday at 8 p.m Irish time. ☺️🇮🇪
Mike, I love your TH-cam channel! I just can't stop myself from watching That Chapter! You obviously research each and every episode. paying meticulous attention to even the smallest detail because I've given them all a major goo! Thank you for all of your hard work Mike and I'll see you real soon in the next one!
I just wanted to say you did great job on the 2 chapters this week, even more so. Nanbro, the book review was so hilarious. And the twilight kids, the way you sat and told the story felt like extra relaxing for some reason, lol. I really appreciate what you do. Looking forward to next chapter.
That insert of the whistling the McD's theme had me on the floor laughing
6k views in 8 minutes. You certainly deserve to enjoy the success your channel has experienced because the hard work you put forth shines through with your ability to make such sad content enjoyable and even funny at times. Congratulations Mike my daughters and I really look forward to the videos you release every week. I hope everything is going good for you and your family Mike.
i bet he gives you a like at least for the nice compliment
@@6AlphaMikeCharlie9 Over the years of being a subscriber Mike has commented several times to something I've said. That wasn't my goal, I really meant what I said. He really has worked really hard on it and his content and certainly deserves his channels success.
@@chesspiece81 yeah i´m sure it´s not your goal, but it´s still nice to get feedback from someone you follow, most channels don´t even read the comments i´m sure.
At some point a discussion needs to be done about single mothers who struggle. Society expects them to be a superhuman, when in fact they are normal people who had dreams and invested in unions and families, they were called on to protect, nourish, take care off all by themselves and have all the answers. Its insane. ( While it is more accepted for fathers to be absent and POS)
As a single mother for over 20 years , I want to thank you for this. It is sooo hard and it is much more acceptable for men to bail and not help. But let a mother do it, or God forbid ask for someone to help her get a few days break, and she's not doing her job. This thought process needs to change. Right now.
Yes, the fathers don't get punished by the system at all. They always get the kids and never have to pay for the lady and the kids. And when the lady gets the kids (with gods grace) they always get to see their kids. The lives of men get better when there's a divorce and children in play. Popular feminism today also advocates that women need more help and are not superhuman! It's those POS dads that are the culprit in all those situations!
Thank you !
@@juliestrickland7754 its almost like the companies say that what you do in your own time shouldn't affect the company?! How dare they!! They should take into account the actions you make in your own personal life! I mean, it's not like they run a business or anything jeez!!!
Society only thinks that because it is single mothers themselves who portray that. At some point it has to be their own fault.
The message from you at the end always makes me feel comforted. thank you for the content you make, mike
At the Court of Appeal, the judge accepted psychiatric assessments that Markham had an emerging personality disorder and Edwards significant psychiatric problems. The abuse they had received from an early age contributed to their "lack of development" as people. Their apparent lack of remorse is a direct consequence of that lack. The judge said "it was too early to judge remorse" and "noted that there were some signs that [Edwards'] attitude was beginning to change".
I appreciate your consistency Mike! Also love that you almost always do stories I have never heard before. And I really like the background stories on the people makes it more real, not just the crime but the life. You rock mike so happy to see how far you have come!❤️
My Gaddd! They look like babies!
Kim is extremely selfish and self-centered.. it's all about her. Even her reasoning for killing her family, "so my mom and sister don't have to worry about me offing myself and they won't have to deal with the heartbreak." 👀 she has no remorse. Zero.
She is selfish and narcissist to the extreme. This is such a sad story. Imo another reason teens shouldn’t have sex. This just cemented their relationship. Young love is so strong, and makes people do crazy things.
@@gayledimitri5887 they keep deleting my comment.. idk what the hell for.. I didn't use any profanity... but, anyway, i agree with you.
@@chelseapthib36 that’s odd. Glad it went through finally.
I could summerise your comment to: Kim was fourteen years old.
The rest of your comment could be inferred.
😁
@@calumbutter8959 well, when I was 14 my dad died suddenly and unexpectedly... it ripped me apart. Never once did I want to harm someone else for my pain. And the tantrums I had over not being able to see my boyfriend, never wanted to cause harm to anyone then, either. Her beint 14 is not an excuse, you know right from wrong, you have a general sense of what you're not supposed to do.
Love how you tell stories Mike (I'm newer to the channel) they help make my day a bit brighter whenever I get a notification for a new video (sometimes YT tells me a day or two later?). Thanks for all the hard work you put into researching these crimes.
Mike uploads every Tuesday and Friday at 8 p.m Irish time. ☺️🇮🇪
You’re so lucky, you have so many new videos to watch!
Horrific. I'm lost for words. Apart from to say that they shouldn't ever be released. Thank you for all of your video's. Have a good day. From a fellow Irish, though I live in England.
The older I’ve gotten the more murder sentence of 15 years to 25 years seems way to little amount of time. Even when someone is young enough that the time is not a life sentence....there should be some kinds of save guards relating to the specific nature of their crime.
on the other hand, "20 life sentences" is hardly comfort to family of victims. In other countries we don't understand why the United States does that thing.
@@myfaveyoutube . Maybe not, but releasing sociopaths back into society at relatively young ages is *dangerous for the community.* Therefore we follow stricter sentencing procedures because perps of certain types of crimes (especially sociopathic murderers for example) present ongoing issues. The old and now outdated psychology that undergirded the “rehabilitation” idea - a rose-coloured-glasses idea popularized in the 1960s and very outdated now - has been losing support for decades.
Honestly they'll probably be in for a lot longer. Often times the original sentence will get close to finishing, the person will be re-evaluated, and if they're found to still be dangerous they'll have the sentence extended.
It’s an incredibly self centered view that they would have outgrown. I love my sister but she isn’t the center of my life… this kid consoled herself by saying “my sister won’t have to worry about me. Or mourn our mom” but she didn’t consider that her sister might have a life independent of both of those traumas as well. Horrible.
More British & Irish cases Mike please! Horrific story of some highly dysfunctional people and how detached from reality it is possible to get.
Watching you is addictive Mike, you've got the perfect personality for doing what you do! Keep hosting these vids and I will keep watching them all with a thumbs up!
Can they “become a normal person again?”
I question if they were in the first place. They both needed medical and mental health care that they didn’t get.
I hope besides “being behind bars” they both get extensive medical and mental health many hours a day, every day until they do get out!
There's no turning back after what theyve done. Theyre fucked mentally.
Mike is the best illustrator of real crime that there has ever been. He gets direct to the point, he does his homework and he has a sense of humor. Mike is the shit, as he would say. Mike out
new shirtttt!!! and that backround.. looking amazing like always Mike!
I feel like sometimes you could do everything right as a parent and still have the child turn into a little monster, but I'm not a parent so what could I know
As a parent, I personally don't buy into that line of thinking. It's all about what we do or don't do all along the way. Ultimately we can't control who they are inside, their true nature - we can only observe, guide & nurture what's already there - but it is up to us to pay attention and notice when things are not okay with our kids. It's our responsibility to intervene & get them help if they are struggling or going down a dark path. I think a lot of otherwise "nice" parents don't pay attention or take their kids seriously when there are signs of trouble
I think that’s possible, but extremely rare, and even when a person is born sociopathic, it doesn’t mean they’ll end up committing crimes.
I seen parents who treated their children like dirt, but was loved by children unconditionally and they grove up really nice people. In same time kids who were "understood" came out absolute morans.
There's no such thing as objectively "doing everything right". Different kids will react differently to the same circumstances.
@@tonyabrookes9931 my older sister and I couldn’t be any more different, same parents, brought up the same, if anything she was favoured by my mother, I won’t bore you, but she’s a thief, and her 3 kids have all been in trouble with the law…don’t see her anymore thank god!
I know the times have changed, but I do think that 14 years old is really really early to be in a dating situation. I remember how I was when I was 14, and I always thought I was in love. It just seems sad that there weren't some kind of boundaries set early on. I don't know; this is just my comment
I was not allowed to date and hated it growing up but I focused on school, work, and sports. I am 35 now and appreciate that rule, I think it was reasonable. I don’t at all think back on it and hate my parents for it. I am thankful for it!
As someone who started dating at 13 and thus experienced heartache, and much worse, before my brain developed.. I agree with you.
I don't care what people say, I would attempt to put off my children dating for as long as I possibly could. No "look at her and her boyfriend" jokes when she's a baby, no endless romance movies. 🤷🏼
Agree!
I'm ngl teenagers should be dating because they have no time to work on themselves if they are dating someone at a young age
My boy is about to be 14 and the kid hasn't even thought about a girlfriend!! I want him to stay a kid as long as he can. When I was 14 I was never even thinking about relationships. It's like everything is sped up now and kids aren't even being kids anymore and it's sad. I'm thankful I grew up in the 90s
I am so proud of how far Mike has come! You are well on your way to 2M! I first met you when you were super serious and had a little mustache 😉 And the new Henley looks great. Tho the floating head was pretty funny 🤔 Keep being you. Love ya too!
Aside from the abuse, I also blame SOCIAL MEDIA... It's becoming the downfall of humanity. So keep on popping out those children only to neglect/abuse them. Shame on us all! (bring on the nasty comments, because I expect nothing less... OR prove me wrong and lets have an open minded and intelligent conversation.)
SOCIAL MEDIA is horrible...
An infamous case very close to the one you just described happened a block from my house.
She has a new name a sealed record and a University degree here in Canada. It’s terrifying.
The young couple killed her parents and little brother.
Woah, please can you tell me the name of the case?
@@chloed1924 I'm pretty sure they're referring to the Jasmine Richardson case.
The Jasmine Richardson case?
@@packnetadaija Is there an echo in here??!
I love Mike and his wonderful voice lol I listen to him when I fall asleep almost every single night. His voice is like a lullaby... Please don't ever stop telling us crazy stories, we all love you mike!!💘
I have seen many different cases over the years like this, it's amazing how young teens can come to a decision to kill and believe that it's the right thing to do.
people post this so mike will do this case, i just heard about it and theres a lot of footage online of the killer in court so it fits perfect for mike format, the CASE OF Matthew Cecchi, he went into a public bathroom while his aunt stood outside, and someone killed him inside, the aunt saw several men go in and out of that restroom, and what seemed like 4ever, she finally went in to check on him and he was dead, i dont wanna look more into the case because i want mike to cover it so i can watch his vid the first time i really check it out
I am a middle sister too and we all think moms love the oldest and youngest more but we don’t go around killing our moms and younger siblings.
Moms love all their children equally. ☺️
Yeh ! its Friday topped with a dollop of "hey you !" Thank you Mike!