The War Games is, in a way, the perfect finale for Doctor Who as a whole, not just the 60s era. It's not the first time the Doctor lost, but it's the first time he was actively defeated. It puts an end to a previously unknown story arc in which the Doctor is a fugitive from his own race, and the War Chief is kind of the final boss of 60s Who. Of course, the story was written with the knowledge that the show could be cancelled at any moment, and if the BBC hadn't greenlit season 7, it would've served its purpose perfectly, although the amount of Time Lord lore that's been built up over the years has just made The War Games more important to the development of Doctor Who.
The Time Lord actor who had played Gulliver was also the Time Lord Chancellor Goth in "The Deadly Assassin", and "Noel Gallagher" played the Doctor in the stage play "Doctor Who and the Seven Keys to Doomsday".
The TARDIS descending into the water was from Fury from the Deep... Pretty sure all of the "chase" to get away from the Time Lords was using prior footage. Great vid, by the way! One of my absolute favourite stories of WHO, ever, from my fave Doctor, written in 1 weekend. Terrance Dicks - amazing work!
Yes, I watched the Time Meddler and The War Games at the time. One of the things that was done when the first Pilot was rewritten for the actually broadcast first episode was to make the Doctor's background less fixed. Which was the right decision I think. They needed to figure out what they had before they could tell us the deep backstory. And in recent years show runners have been chaffing over the vast amount of backstory that has accumulated. I sometimes wonder if the War Chief we see here is the General who leads the Time Lords during the Time War in the 11th and 12th Doctors; era. He died in thie episode but the Time Lords pulled the Master out of the Eye of Harmony somehow so a mere resurrection should be no problem for them. He/she certainly regards the Doctor as their nemesis and the two of them have history.
Actually, I haven't watched much of modern who when I first watched the war games, I knew a bit of the Time Lords from the Eccleston Run but that was it. So all that information REALLY WAS brand new to me.... (Who would have thought that starting Classic Who with the Black and White era would be so rewarding.)
Good to see you, Mr Chimp. I can never find fault with The War Games, it's one of my favourites. Just need to add - the second Timelord, Bernard Horsfall, is also Chancellor Goth in The Deadly Assassin. Cracking video as ever, thank you 🙂
Excellent video as usual Chosen Chimp! Funny you should mention the War Chiefs medallion, it was originally used by Zephon (the cabbage alien from Daleks Master Plan). Also the First Time Lord (the one who’s also in The Time Meddler, also reappears as a time lord again in the Deadly Assassin as chancellor Goth giving that story some unintentional depths
If you look close at the face's the time lord's offer the doctor to chose from one looks like David Peterson or Peter Davidson take your choice the 5th doctor and troughton replies "No no he's too thin"
@@chriswinwood6501 I don't care about the doctor's race but I'm not woke he is the doctor a Man. He can regenerate his DNA anyway he ( operative noun he) he wants but you can't get rid of the Y chromosome, sorry ( no I'm not) I'm with the patriarchy on this one. The Doc's a sigma male.
It's interesting how the Doctor's relationship with the Timelords has evolved over time. Back then this all powerful and intimidating bunch who tried to control his life and make him do their dirty work. And now, where he is a renowned hero who can tell the likes of Rassilon where to shove it.
It's funny here, this Story set up Soo much of DW afterwards. We get our first impression of the Time Lords, we have Proto Master here. Then the idea that the doctor has a say in what he'll look like. Up until the Jodie/Chinballs error, most of the production moved the story along with deviations explained as the Doctor always lies. Let's hope RTD and Bad Wolf productions fix what's been destroyed of late. Anyway thanks and keep cracking on.
If you're talking about when the Doctor's race is Finally given a name. Yes. But the First Time Lord story was actually 1965's "The Time Medler", when the Fist Doctor meets the Monk (aka the Medling Monk) in 1066 Hastings. The Doctor would remove the Monk's Dimensional Statbablizer, shrinking the interior of his TARDIS to that of an Actual sarcophagus.
And then... rather than keep the whole Time Lord ethos mysterious and in the background, as befits a culture utterly beyond Earth's... we get bumbly crumblies in garish costumes pottering, declaiming, conniving, and generally selling the whole concept shorter and shorter. And sillier and sillier. No wonder RTD loathed them enough to Time War them out of existence. Then Moffat resuscitates them. Chibnall then disposes of them again. And apparently, forthcoming Season 14 won't have any. Unless, of course, in a dimensional future twist, the Timeless Child turns out to be... ??
Did you call him Trouts?! I will do so forever more and have subscribed accordingly. I’ve always said that 63-69 DW could be seen as the “first series” of DW. Series two kicks off the show in a totally new direction. Doctor Who could have ended with The War Games and it would have been perfect.
I think it’s a bit too long, a brilliant six parter perhaps but there’s no denying ‘The War Games’ has some of the exceptional best Doctor Who ever committed to the ever changing canon, (even leading into the wonderfully mythical season 6B). These are my favourite versions of The Time Lords’, I know they’re cliched ‘all powerful’ god like beings, but when a cliche works as well as this, the cliche’s completely worth it. Great video Mr Chimp, love your take on the show, especially it’s madly creative sixties era. Gx
What makes this story really impressive… was the fact it was quite literally being made up as they went along. They had run out of stories, they had ten episodes left to fill, and this was the result. Fascinating, yeah?
Are the Time Lords in the War Games even on Gallifrey? Trial of a Time Lord would have us believe space stations are good place for trials where aliens might need to give evidence.
Hit that subscribe button as this channel is excellent. This video was a superb analysis. The War Games is up there with Caves as a favourite Who story for me. 👍🙂
The War Games is, in a way, the perfect finale for Doctor Who as a whole, not just the 60s era. It's not the first time the Doctor lost, but it's the first time he was actively defeated. It puts an end to a previously unknown story arc in which the Doctor is a fugitive from his own race, and the War Chief is kind of the final boss of 60s Who.
Of course, the story was written with the knowledge that the show could be cancelled at any moment, and if the BBC hadn't greenlit season 7, it would've served its purpose perfectly, although the amount of Time Lord lore that's been built up over the years has just made The War Games more important to the development of Doctor Who.
The Time Lord actor who had played Gulliver was also the Time Lord Chancellor Goth in "The Deadly Assassin", and "Noel Gallagher" played the Doctor in the stage play "Doctor Who and the Seven Keys to Doomsday".
I’ve always thought it would be neat if First Time Lord and Goth were the same person.
The TARDIS descending into the water was from Fury from the Deep... Pretty sure all of the "chase" to get away from the Time Lords was using prior footage.
Great vid, by the way! One of my absolute favourite stories of WHO, ever, from my fave Doctor, written in 1 weekend. Terrance Dicks - amazing work!
Yes, I watched the Time Meddler and The War Games at the time. One of the things that was done when the first Pilot was rewritten for the actually broadcast first episode was to make the Doctor's background less fixed. Which was the right decision I think. They needed to figure out what they had before they could tell us the deep backstory. And in recent years show runners have been chaffing over the vast amount of backstory that has accumulated.
I sometimes wonder if the War Chief we see here is the General who leads the Time Lords during the Time War in the 11th and 12th Doctors; era. He died in thie episode but the Time Lords pulled the Master out of the Eye of Harmony somehow so a mere resurrection should be no problem for them. He/she certainly regards the Doctor as their nemesis and the two of them have history.
Actually, I haven't watched much of modern who when I first watched the war games, I knew a bit of the Time Lords from the Eccleston Run but that was it.
So all that information REALLY WAS brand new to me.... (Who would have thought that starting Classic Who with the Black and White era would be so rewarding.)
Good to see you, Mr Chimp. I can never find fault with The War Games, it's one of my favourites.
Just need to add - the second Timelord, Bernard Horsfall, is also Chancellor Goth in The Deadly Assassin. Cracking video as ever, thank you 🙂
Great to be back! And also... How did I miss that??!!😂 Thanks for the info.😀🐵
Honestly even though it's ten parts long it flies by faster than quite a few six or even four parters
Excellent video as usual Chosen Chimp! Funny you should mention the War Chiefs medallion, it was originally used by Zephon (the cabbage alien from Daleks Master Plan).
Also the First Time Lord (the one who’s also in The Time Meddler, also reappears as a time lord again in the Deadly Assassin as chancellor Goth giving that story some unintentional depths
i’ve only just got round to watching this chimp, i missed it.
my favourite story of Dr. Who. Thanks for doing it justice
Brilliant review. This was my favorite Doctor Who story as a kid.
When I see Peter Butterworth all I hear in my head is him saying “pound”.
Glad to see you back Sir Chimp! I've been away for awhile, but I'm glad we're both back here in the Chimpiverse! 😁👍
I always remembered The Master being in this. Just goes to show 😂
I wonder if Michael Crichton saw this before writing Westworld.
I was so happy to see another Chosen Chimp vid in my sub feed
The blond Time Lord looks suspiciously like Chancellor Goth too.
Chimpe is back yay also will there be other time lord videos???
I'd love to do more.🙂🐵
I Love Doctor Who ? All the Doctors 🙂
War Chief, Monk and Master are clearly the same Character... ZEPHON
Only 5 million viewers saw the final episode back in 1969 in what was the second lowest rated story of the 1960s.
Tardi not tardises
You start with an image of the worst of crap New Who, and there's bad background music throughout. Awful.
Good story but to long
If you look close at the face's the time lord's offer the doctor to chose from one looks like David Peterson or Peter Davidson take your choice the 5th doctor and troughton replies "No no he's too thin"
What an Easter egg the writers truly looked ahead 😂
Also a black face is offered. The option was there 50yrs ago.
@@chriswinwood6501 I don't care about the doctor's race but I'm not woke he is the doctor a Man. He can regenerate his DNA anyway he ( operative noun he) he wants but you can't get rid of the Y chromosome, sorry ( no I'm not) I'm with the patriarchy on this one. The Doc's a sigma male.
Who's David Peterson?
@@andrewsmart4491 he's Peter Davidson the 5th doctor, I've always had problems with what way up his name is.
It's interesting how the Doctor's relationship with the Timelords has evolved over time.
Back then this all powerful and intimidating bunch who tried to control his life and make him do their dirty work. And now, where he is a renowned hero who can tell the likes of Rassilon where to shove it.
The 'sweaty, beardy guy' War Lord is: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Madoc
It's funny here, this Story set up Soo much of DW afterwards. We get our first impression of the Time Lords, we have Proto Master here. Then the idea that the doctor has a say in what he'll look like. Up until the Jodie/Chinballs error, most of the production moved the story along with deviations explained as the Doctor always lies.
Let's hope RTD and Bad Wolf productions fix what's been destroyed of late. Anyway thanks and keep cracking on.
If you're talking about when the Doctor's race is Finally given a name. Yes.
But the First Time Lord story was actually 1965's "The Time Medler", when the Fist Doctor meets the Monk (aka the Medling Monk) in 1066 Hastings.
The Doctor would remove the Monk's Dimensional Statbablizer, shrinking the interior of his TARDIS to that of an Actual sarcophagus.
And then... rather than keep the whole Time Lord ethos mysterious and in the background, as befits a culture utterly beyond Earth's... we get bumbly crumblies in garish costumes pottering, declaiming, conniving, and generally selling the whole concept shorter and shorter. And sillier and sillier.
No wonder RTD loathed them enough to Time War them out of existence. Then Moffat resuscitates them. Chibnall then disposes of them again. And apparently, forthcoming Season 14 won't have any. Unless, of course, in a dimensional future twist, the Timeless Child turns out to be... ??
3 live on earth for how many years yet adhd the 11th doctor can’t deal with one year, or one hour
Did you call him Trouts?! I will do so forever more and have subscribed accordingly.
I’ve always said that 63-69 DW could be seen as the “first series” of DW. Series two kicks off the show in a totally new direction. Doctor Who could have ended with The War Games and it would have been perfect.
I think it’s a bit too long, a brilliant six parter perhaps but there’s no denying ‘The War Games’ has some of the exceptional best Doctor Who ever committed to the ever changing canon, (even leading into the wonderfully mythical season 6B). These are my favourite versions of The Time Lords’, I know they’re cliched ‘all powerful’ god like beings, but when a cliche works as well as this, the cliche’s completely worth it. Great video Mr Chimp, love your take on the show, especially it’s madly creative sixties era. Gx
The war games is my favourite story! Great to see you back!
Nice to have you back chimp. Looking well. This has always been a fav of mine, shame the time lords were never as omnipotent ever again.
The Time Meddler.....
The War Games isn't too long.
It's not long enough.😎
Welcome back!
Gallifrey? The Time Warrior 1974. Introduces Sarah-Jane & the Sontarans too.
Also Meddling Monk cameos in The Chase.
in The Dalek's Masterplan 😁
@@TheZodiacz I remembered there was a Time machine 😂
It was also the first appearance of the sonic screwdriver!
in Fury From The Deep in 1968.
What makes this story really impressive… was the fact it was quite literally being made up as they went along. They had run out of stories, they had ten episodes left to fill, and this was the result. Fascinating, yeah?
It really is a countdown the closer to episode 10 the harder it is to watch amazing story tho
Are the Time Lords in the War Games even on Gallifrey? Trial of a Time Lord would have us believe space stations are good place for trials where aliens might need to give evidence.
Good to see you Chimp! I definitely need to rewatch this one! 😃
i love the War Games - Troughton is such a fine actor & with Zoe & Jamie one of the best Tardis teams.
I consider the master and the war cheif as the same person
Those 10 episodes seemed to fly by. I love it all.
Welcome black Chosen one. Hope your family is well.
All doing great. Thank you.🥰🐵
Just going to watch it now
Hit that subscribe button as this channel is excellent. This video was a superb analysis. The War Games is up there with Caves as a favourite Who story for me. 👍🙂
“Do you really think I would take part in your disgusting steam-scheme”
0:26: "No. No. No, no, no. No. No, no, no. No. No... No."
Great work as always, Chimp! Huh. Quality story writing helping to build a mythos!
Welcome back! :D