Ups & Downs From Doctor Who 12.9 - Ascension Of The Cybermen
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- Everything has led to this. The first part of the two-part finale, Ascension of the Cybermen. The Doctor and co. have tracked the Lone Cyberman down to a devastated planet, home to only a handful of human survivors of the Cyber War. Events transpire, and we're left with a twist that makes this coming week excruciating to wait through. #DoctorWho #Cybermen #TheMaster.
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My theory about Brendan is this; He was a Cyberman who was on board the Carrier, and thus dormant, in a dream-state, surrounding himself with a fortress of his dreams to get away from the Cyber-Control. He was Irish and learnt about / loved that period so he dreamed about living then and there all the time, connecting facts from his own life (Orphan)
The Cybermen are bullet-proof (Sorry, Brigadier!), thus the thief’s gun wouldn’t work- the reality of him being a Cyberman bleeding through.
Then, after living his wholesome life as a Police Officer, when he was “Old”, his mental barriers were decayed enough for Ashaad and the other Lumic-Cybermen he was with to enter the dream like the dad / commissioner and the pain he was going through was Ashaad doing that neck-sawing thing to him. He (deep-down) knew he was a Cyberman and thus he didn’t resist. He physically couldn’t go against his new commander (Ashaad).
Also, as for the Cyberman-screaming-thing , I agree with you, Mr WhatCulture.
Cosmo 456 that part was scary and also a v cool theory
But what would that add to the story though?
That's exactly how I interpreted it too. I'm a bit surprised that anyone was taking it any other way, because I thought that was the obvious interpretation.
@@matthewbuckley66 To humanize the cybermen. To show that there is more to them than a metal suit. To allow you to empathize with them, even if it is only for what they use to be before they were converted.
Cosmo 456 hes the Doctor deffo, it’s not a coincidence that he’s ginger
The Cyber-Head Drones were a bit of a missed opportunity to me. They should have latched onto people as a way of doing an impromptu cyber-conversion.
Agree. I thought the exact same thing. Disappointing they didn't because the heads just as drones felt lame.
i couldn’t stand those cyber drones. they just seemed too gimmicky
At first I hated them being heads but considering they were disembodied I think of it as the cybermen using heads from broken bodies. Also everything cyber like cybermats, cybermites, cybershades and cybermen all have brains or living people, so I think of it as just being a head that was upgraded and weaponised with an emotional inhibitor in the upper neck or something. Also if they return, they could be upgraded to fly on auto and latch on to people.
@@toybarons Lame and not particularly aerodynamic - I'd have thought that expert engineers like the Cybermen would have designed something a bit slicker. As it was, they just looked silly.
They seemed a bit silly to me but also cool. And funnily enough that is how I see Doctor Who as a show, a bit silly but also cool.
Does the retirement clock contain his Timelord consciousness? Is the portal the untempered schism? Can't wait for Sunday!!!
Adam Swinswood Oooh, I never thought of that. Like an upgrade on the fob watch. I like it.
I agree, reckon he's a timelord using a chameleon arch stored in the clock.
I thought the portal was the untempered schism to
Like the Ruth Doctor in Fugitive had one in the thing in the lighthouse....
Oh i thought the portal was the untemperd schism, that is a cool theory.
Ok, crazy theory, but during the episode Yaz made a big point of reminding us that Graham's name is actually Graham O'Brien. I'm pretty sure the Irish family was also called O'Brien - is Graham somehow linked to the Irish stuff?
OMG that ending showing Galifrey in the portal where humans might have escaped too seems to give to merit the old theory that Time Lords were once human seems to have come back around!
That was the only part of the episode I really liked.
I hope it's not true it just gets rid of the mysterious mess of the time lord and time lady
I mean, as of right now the show isn't saying this about the boundary.
"It makes a new destination each time" lady on cyber ship
"I've never it look like that before" Barriston Selmy/portal guy
It feels too easy & predictable for future humans to be the founding timelords.
hichaelmartline I mean it would make sense for time lords to be related to humans because of their extremely similar appearance. But we’ll have to wait and see for Sunday, I can’t wait!
That will also put the doctor claiming he’s part human thing to rest
The human's escape vessel seems to be a bit TARDIS-y in it's design language. Centre control console, spinny, pylons, slightly explodey. Could be a coincidence...
I would like a “Lone Lad and the Cyber Twins” spin-off please
People are saying that the portal leading to Galifrey must mean that the Timelords were once human who escaped from the Cybermen. But that doesn't make much sense when you consider that the portal shows the citadel on Galifrey in ruins. The portal would have to lead to ancient Galifrey before the Timelords were formed inorder for this theory to work.
I get what your saying but what if galifrey is stuck in a time loop with it being destroyed, then rebuilt as the humans come through and turn into time lords, then when they die again the time loop resets
Matthew smith I reckon it’s because time lords can not enter gallifrey in non linear time. The doctor cannot go back 1,000,000 years in the tardis to the dawn of gallifrey, however if she steps back and yaz steps forward, she might see a young gallifrey, a new gallifrey
But idk that’s just a theory
@@trg8858 Although I find your theory Intresting. I just dont see why such a portal would exist. Going from one random location to another in a drastically different point in time. Doesn't seem all that logical. My working theory is the Master somehow created/activated the portal while on Gallifrey. And the suriving humans were led to the portal by the Master for some nefarious reason.
@@asokatano8702 That would be a really long time loop. I dont know. I dont see it. Seems too far fetched if you ask me. But I guess anything is possible on Doctor Who.
@@trg8858 would explain why Kanshamus said he had never seen it look like that before if only humans ever passed through it
Brenden might be the Timeless Child because he's was found ”abandoned and unknown”. He's dad and the police guy could be Gallifreyan as that might that would example why they don't age (maybe they used Brenden go get their regenerative abilities which could explain why the Master was so angry and destroyed Gallifrey)
that is dark...
Yes but as seen in The Time Of The Doctor, Time Lords can age just like humans but when there about to die that’s when they regenerate or if they get shit or something that would kill a Time Lord before they die of old age.
Hybrid yeah but it takes them a lot longer to age then a human so it’s still possible
Hats off to you for that one!
Wow. That's is actually sort of what happened. Actually shocked when I was this
No one has pointed out that the lone cyberman became a sort cyberleader this episode judging that the cybermen were referencing him as “leader”
juan's tech guide I think he reprogrammed then then took control as cyber leader as he is the one claiming these new versions and old cybermen + plus they where all fresh from the factory I think this was at some point with those cybermen the next generation
Why doesn’t he fully upgrade himself- doesn’t have to enable the inhibiter just for the rest of himself?
He's Jesus H. Cyberman, in his mind, CyberMessiah of the Holy CyberEmpire.
After the title sequence when they find the baby I thought I'd missed Doctor Who and Call the Midwife was on.
😅
Ha ha ha
I had the same experience 😂😂
Love the torchwood idea. Could koshamus be brendan? He doesn’t seem to die easily so it’d make sense for him to stand by the boundary. He said he was there for many years. Maybe he really meant MANY
Maybe it's another Doctor...
Velldog I think he’s a time lord, but not the Doctor.
Maybe thats why Torchwood is now back on BBC iPlayer
Anyone think of Handles from Time of The Doctor when they saw the Cyberdrone heads?
Yep!
the humans that went through the boundary were the first gallifrayans to one day become time lords and the doctor will have to chose between saving humanity or preserving the timelords
Crobatman I am the night lets hope the doctor makes the right choice or try’s to save both sides
Except that literally goes against what's said in the series and in the episode itself.
Crobatman I am the night thatd be fucking amazing tbh
Wouldn't by saving the time lords they would be saving Humanity?
@@rosssnyder4490 no, its either let the cybermen eventually wipe out humanity until they get to the point that they go through the breach and become gallifrayans or save humanity from the cybermen but in turn wiping out the time lord, thats my theory
Those scenes showing a young Brendan were wholesome. Normally I’m not into that sh*t, but... y’know, it was good
Should have giving an "UP" for the line "Were trapped on a ship with a Cyberman who makes other Cybermen scream." That one line had a huge impact and meant a lot. IMO anyways.
This was definitely The BEST Episode I have seen so far and hope they keep going with this style for future episodes of Doctor Who. I wish I was able to Time Travel so I could skip to sunday and see what happens.
So it turns out, Humans somehow evolve into Time Lords which explains why EVERY alien species keep trying to conquer Earth.
Galifrey is in ruins so no thats not the case.More likely that the patriarchy destroyed Galifrey.
The music in this episode was awesome. I especially loved the new cybermen theme. Seeing them all marched to the beat towards the control room was absolutely amazing.
Does anybody else not understand why the Doctor didn’t come in her Tardis and parked it so far away they couldn’t get to it? There were so many gaps in logic in this episode I couldn’t get past it. And the rumors I’ve heard that basically throw out most of the Doctor’s history are disturbing.
they are rumors thou
Don't remember which episodes, but the doctor stated he doesn't want to bring the tardis into "warzones" because he is afraid it could fall into the "wrong" hands.
my theory is the boundary is connected to the untempered schism
Damn, imagine if it's actually Rassilon, post-Exile, and it's a trap as revenge for what the Doctor did in Hell Bent.
sorry, I don't think Koh Schamus is a post-exile Rassilon, too generic, too predictable, I think he's probably Borusa turned back from a statue or Omega or somethin' like that, he may even be The Meddling Monk, since he steals TARDISes for a living which explains the Boundary's existence, he's stole too many TARDISes that the timestream has collided with whatever planet he's on and created a portal to anywhere in the timestream, good job on the performance, Ian McElhinney, I hope it's probably my third theory.
Not sure how much insperation chibnall wants to take from other media but in some of the comics after being exiled rassilon gets converted by a group of cybermen
Doctor: There are 7 people left
The companions: none of them sad, shocked, curious etc
Gold was in nightmare in silver
No, in Revenge of the Cybermen.
@@mayotango1317 I mean they bring it back in nightmare in silver
@@mayotango1317 also earthshock
Yeah, it's the second time gold as a weakness is mentioned in the new show. There are one thing, I can't wrap my head around. Which cybermen in the new show are those from the parallel universe and which are those from mondas? Did they merge? Is it ever explained?
@@DieFischbude I don't think so I just assume they are remains from other battles
Bet you Brendon is a Timelord
Brenden is Jack's son, his old age is just an illusion. He is actually a young man, but is trying to convince himself that he isn't the half faced Cyberman guy. His self repair factor is the reason why he wasn't compatible with the Cybermen.
Aight so, this may be a shot in the dark but I just rewatched Utopia and in it jack describes how he found out he couldn't die. namely being in Ireland, getting shot in the heart and falling off of a cliff. I may be taking a massive leap but who knows anymore. I want opinions.
Ok I just watched that episode and Jack says that he found out on ellis island in 1892. I know that a lot of Irish immigrants went to America but Brenden was presumably still in Ireland. Also I would say it looks to be the 1920's. Good theory though.
@@erinirvine7588 ah ok, thx for looking into it
@@lwtraptorian no problem
Torchwood series 5 is the dream 👌
Personally i would prefer a prequel torchwood or atleast set in a different time and or place, if only because torchwood as we know it is down to 2 members
Your idea....... ups and downs of older episodes?
I’d be up for that
1Episode ranking so far
9. Orphan 55
8. Praxues
7. Can you hear me
6. Nikola Tesla night of Terror
5. Spyfall part 2
4. Diodati
3. Spyfall
2. Ascension of the cybermen
1. Fugitive
Nailed it.
I think it’s very plausible and in fact likely that at least some of the fam dies. Not only for the reasons Rich mentions but for another shocking reason. If you look only at the in-series canon (no books or audio plays) and only look at “long term permanent” companions The Doctor has experienced (from their point of view) the deaths of 5 companions: Adric, Amy, Rory, Clara, and Bill. First of all that makes it clear that Donna was the last companion not to leave the Doctor’s company through death. But also when you think about The Doctors experience of these events the Amy and Rory didn’t really “die” they were time displaced, lived long happy lives, and he just got to see their gravestone. And Clara basically caused her own death, but that was undone by the Doctor, sorta, and he forgot about her anyway, sorta. Nardole by the way also “dies” in that the last time the Doctor see him alive they’re trapped on a spaceship with no apparent means of escape. So now your left with just Adric and Bill who were both killed by, wait for it, Cybermen. And it’s implied since Nardoles next appearance is from the afterlife that’s how he died too. And if you’re thinking Bill lived, the human Bill Potts does die, she’s then converted to a cyberman, killed (again) and then resurrected as oil then glass.
In other words The Fam is screwed. Not only is Martha Jones the only New Who permanent companion to leave the Doctor of their own free will, but every companion The Doctor has ever seen die and stay that way was killed by cybermen. Making the cybermen clearly the deadliest of The Doctors foes.
Katarina and Sara Kingdom died in a Dalek story.
oneblankspace They are listed as companions but they are more like Astrid Perth, or Kamelion where they died in only their first or second story.
Is it only me who wonders one thing about this New "New Who" though, like the Doctor mentioned it's too far for her, Ethan and Ryan to run to the TARDIS, yet i thought the thing before about the key was it can bring the TARDIS to you? Does she not have the key? But yes after this episode i'm really in the same case of why isn't it sunday yet
Genuinely loved this episode. My only worry, and it's a big one, is that they will use this storyline as a way to disregard the entire previous Doctor Who canon and start afresh. I really hope that isn't where they're going with this.
unfortunety I have seen a few to many franchises go that route
My theory is that the human were escaping through the untempered schism to an ancient Gallifrey, making Gallifreyans the descendants of humans, this would be enough to enrage the Master and cause him to raise Gallifrey to the ground.
It was an amazing second part of a three part finale, but I’d have given it a down for the lack of Captain Jack. Jack needs to be involved in this story otherwise his warning makes no sense.
Wait and see if he appears in the next episode first. I bet he will be.
Unless this cybermen storyline continues into the next season.
OMG THE MASTER WILL RECOGNISE JACK BRUHHH
Chibnall said Captain Jack will not be seen the rest of this series/season.
Jack doesn't need to be involved. When the fam met Jack, this was during the heights of the Cyberwars. At the time of this episode, Jack is long gone, the Cyberwars are almost over.
A true Whovian would have known "Gravitron" from the 1967 Cyberman story The Moonbase.
I really liked this episode. Even better than some Moffat-era episodes
why add "even"? ;)
Im half kidding... Moffat had some great ups... but sadly also several abysmal downs. But to each their own etc...
Brendan was hooked up to a Cyberman apparatus. The dials (like Cyberman eyes) being shown before the headset (Cyberman headphones) is a good indication that perhaps the Cyberman were created (or recreated )somehow from that machine Brenden was hooked up to.
Most excited since Journeys end??
Someone didn't watch World Enough and Time
Or hell bent. Of course it turned out to be a let down but there was still huge hype after the masterpiece that was heaven sent.
Brendan, his dad and his boss. The lone cyberman and the cyber twins and all the events of his life are cycling in his head so everytime he reaches the end of his life the cyber twins reset the sequence. It's likely a learning experience that he's playing though the shared neural net trying to evolve past the cybermen.
Brendan is the timeless child. He is on old gallifrey. His father is omega and the constable is rassilon. They were human refugees from the cyberwar went back in time and created gallifrey. Found brendan and used his immortality to create regeneration.
Best episode so far, I was wrong about this new series.
Thats a rare comment. My hat is off to you sir. (sincerely)
Gold was key to how the 5th Doctor defeated the Cybermen, notably in the episode "Earthshock," in which he used a gold badge worn by young Adric to kill some Cybermen. . In essence, this episode is trying to convince us these are not the Cybermen of the 1970s.
Its far older than that... and also its made its return in 11s run already.
Being excited for a Who finale again is a refreshing feeling.
That's the best first half of a finale since the Pandorica opened.
Fair play to you, Rich - I don't normally like watching fan comments on Doctor Who, but you're very entertaining to watch. That's me subscribed to your channel.
Is the Timeless Child just the Timelord equivalent of the Dalek Nightmare Child?
@dr103 the nightmare child was a creature created by Davros and the daleks
Ok so i just think i figured it out Brendon is the baby Shelly from the previous episode. The Cyberman spared him because he grows up to be the Lone Cyberman. He couldnt kill himself.
The opening shot reminded me so much of when we first met Christopher Reeves’ Superman. Brilliant.
I actually enjoyed an episode. Apart from the issue of piloting the cyber ships. And the usual sonic-ing. Oh a fingers crossed the companion death foreshadowing comes true.
They can’t kill off a 3rd companion on the trot. Bill and Clara
Graham looks a done deal after Yaz’ line about how he’s grown as a person.
And how come no one is mentioning how Brendan’s revival was very Jack-like...could this tie into his missing memories?
@@garibaldilebeau but Jack wasn't immortal until the events in Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways. I agree the Brendan thing was very Jack-like though so I think there is a tie with Jack somehow. Either a son (who did inherit his immortality, unlike his daughter) being sent back in time or an experiment by the time lords using the same type of thing that created Jack (harnessing the power of the untempered schism) or through Jack's blood like Rex in Torchwood.
@@garibaldilebeau
Perhaps that scene is foreshadowing his death. (Brandon growing as a person so says Jaz)
Doctor who theory;Brendan is the Timeless Child
My first thought was that he was going to be the Lone Cyberman, then about half way I switched to the Timeless Child. I'm still not certain.
Doctors the timeless child which is a god that gave the regeneration ability to the timelords (harvested) using the untempered schism this all being before Hartnell's doctor retconning the series.
I thought so too, but whenever the Doctor finds out about the Timeless Child, she gets a flashback to a little girl in orange robes....but then again, next week's episode is titled The Timeless _Children_ , so maybe there's more than one? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it's a timless child as the title of the next episode is called the timless children
I'm a sucker for the Cybermen, especially when they're handled well, and this is handling them well. The Lone Cyberman design is so cool, as are the new retro style Cybermen. And the music for them was pitch perfect. They feel like a huge threat, as they should, and I love every minute of it
I loved the twists and turns of this episode and again, the not knowing only added to that thrill. The Brendan plot worked for me entirely.
The Master returning was my favourite part. Whoever cast the current Master, needs a raise!
This was by far my favourite episode of Series 12, and possibly of Whittaker's run so far. The darker tone, the plotting, the characters and those gorgeous new Cyber designs... Let's hope part 2 is just as good.
My theory is that Brendan is actually the cyberium. Because he knew what was coming, as Ritch said, he wasn't surprised that his father and superior hadn't aged at all. Maybe that duo were cybermen? Like the first cybermen that looked more human? Before they turn into more machine.
And what thing they put on Brendan, could also play another role and somehow later transform him into the cyberium. It would explain how it knows about everything and gave the lonely Cyberman so much intelligence and knowledge.
Maybe a little bit too far fetched but who knows.
For this whole Brendan thing, minus regeneration, a lot of the symptoms and weirdness seem to be Time Lord. Also, the overemphasis of the ticking clock Motif in that last room he was in. I'm taking this is going to tie into the Timeless child, not directly, but into an ongoing mystery that's going to follow Jody until pretty close to the end of her time as a doctor. We may finally be getting a glimpse into the dark ages of the first time War, before regeneration existed. Before Time Travel was perfected by the Other, aka the Doctor, back when they were just gallifreyans. As for the old guy, I'm thinking he is connected to the time Lords somehow, but either he is one of the ancients, again from before time travel was perfected, or he's from the same relative time As Ruth and Gat. The Cybermen invasion of Gallifrey would explain a couple of things from the classic era and why the timelords seems so inhuman. But, I'm not willing to make that connection just yet
Wait... The thing where Brendon didn't die when he fell off that cliff....
The way he suddenly came to life again is the same way Captain Jack did with the 10th doctor
I think Brendon is Jack, I mean we've already had Jack in this series so it wouldn't be too much of a surprise
I agree....great episode! I'm so ready for Sunday!
From looking like the show was in a terminal decline, things have got interesting again. Fast moving without excessive sentimentality or cringey didactic speeches. I'm really hoping part two will be equal to this episode.
I loved this episode. Thought it was weird how Brandon woke up after death just like Jack 🤔
5:34 Gravitron! Thank you! That was all I could think of when I saw it but could not for the life of me think what it was called.
The weakness to gold was actually introduced in Series 7 "Nightmare In Silver" in which Matt Smiths Doctor used the golden ticket he had to temporarily disarm "The Cyberiad" so that he could completely regain control of his mind. So, um...down for saying this is the first time we're seeing this in the new series?
Think he meant this season rather than the entire series
Watch Revenge of the Cybermen.
Not to be that person, but actually, it was introduced way back in classic who.
@@mikehunt3842 It was with Pat Troughton and gold dust in the breathing Cyber-apparatus
It's a classic-series weakness.
Brendan becomes Jack, with memories implanted.
Every minute I was watching Sunday’s Doctor Who I was thinking... Is that whatculture guy going to think this is cool?
Also Bradley Walsh said he’s happy to do Doctor Who for as long as possible. He loves the show. But the chase means a lot to him so we don’t know for certain.
My Theory on Brendan is that he is Captain Jacks Son! That he sent back in time to escape the cyberwar. This will explain why he warns the doctor. Maybe he also put the Cyberian back in time. Hoping the doctor will find it! I think his father and officer maybe timelords also in hidding for the horror of the timeless child like Ruth Doctor
My theory about Gallifrey is what if it is utopia from the end of series 3? Trying to get humans there for some reason.
But Jack's had a child before and she never had any of the traits of immortality.
Tyranniod true! But what if it a gene that Jack can pass on! When Rose became Badwolf and gave Jack immortality it doesnt explain how it work! Maybe it can be pass
Maybe it skips a generation or two
He cant pass it on though. He says it himself it's only him. And gallifrey isnt Utopia because remember there was a race that lived on utopia that werent gallifreyen. Love the enthusiasm mate but both theories are trash
My thoughts on Brandon are, we're assuming that it was his father and superior who didn't age, but what if it's the other way around? What if from when he was picked up to the retirement scene was only a month or so and he just aged incredibly rapidly for some reason.
Okay, but the design of the Mendosian Cybermen are a cooler design, but I do like the blending of Telos Cybermen and NewWho Cybermen!!
In the audio books I’m sure rassilon is upgraded to a cyberman. If that’s true and cannon to the tv series, with the lone cyberman knowing about galifrey, not being fully converted as well as becoming a cyber leader is it possible that the lone cyberman is rassilon? Since 12 exiled him as well which is when he’s apparently captured and upgraded
Best season finale since Time Of The Doctor in my opinion, I've never felt like companions were in genuine danger, and the darker and serious side of Jodie's Doctor was wonderfully portrayed. After this I can confidently say, she's a damn good Doctor.
I loved the fact I didn’t even notice his dad hadn’t aged until the last scene!
Now I’m getting my Star Trek Picard mixed with Doctor Who
Don't worry about it. You are a total catch. Keep on geeking out!
Did anyone else notice Graham say he was the doc....the most normal block you'd ever meet to Ravio
YES!! What was that? Was it just a fluffed line they failed to remove, or was it actually relevant?!!
The gold weakness and clever Cyberman have me desperately hoping that "Mr Clever" will make an appearance.
The gold thing is from the classic Series, Revenge of the Cybermen.
Question: In The episode Nigthmare in silver didn't Matt Smith used the golden ticket to regain control of the body and the cyberman evolved to not be weak to it?
In the Brandon theory the teck seems a lot with the one used to turn the doctor human in the David Tennant era, even with the clock being something to save the "time lord energy"
My theory is that they're going to erase brendon's memory, turn him back into a baby, and send him back in time.
I thought they erase his memory he dies as some point becomes the lone cybermen and it begins ...
He could be the 'beliver'
Damn that really makes sense of the whole substory of brendon, all of it, he couldnt be killed by the gunshot cause that's not how time's supposed to play out, the dad and superior cant age or die cause they repeat his story with him (?), and with all the evidence pieced together he could probably figure it out, considering he had his whole life to live through thinking about it, hence his emotionless response and potential understanding in the memory wipe
What if he is the timeless child
I'm almost certain that that's the case
I never considered that Ko Sharmus COULD be Rassilon, seeing as he was exiled from Gallifrey.
Good point!
The best episodes in years, IMO. Really liked it. More of that please.
I thought captain jack was going to pop out of the portal, when the master showed up I literally said "oh" then laughed remembering spyfall
Theory: what if all time Lords are in fact the same time lord? As in there is only one and all the time Lords we see are various regenerations. Hence 'the timeless child'
It's a bit of a stretch but not imposs-who-ble
That Touchwood theory came out of nowhere... AND I'M 100% BEHIND IT!!! YES PLEASE!
Im being really immature here... but "TOUCHwood"? Like uhm... masturbating? ;D
my theory is that this is a flash back to mundis and that was the loan cyberman undergoing his conversion, but also that maybe his life was the training program?
Your little bit about Sunday was confusing, as I always wait until Monday morning for an episode to watch by Monday evening...
One would think that I of all people should be aware of timezones from the get-go but this legitimately baffled me for a split second
I like Jodi's Doctor. and I like that Chibbs is playing with the normal lore now too. Originality is good, but we needed the old as well ^.^ (ps.. ruth is a splinter artifact)
I do have a negative. I understand that the ship Yaz & Graham are on is knackered, & the war carrier seems like the only option, but taking it directly to the boundary, to the last safe place, is INSANE! They took an army of Cybermen to the worst possible location-the boundary. No one with any sense or logic would do this. Honestly, I would think if I were faced with this situation, I would find a way to self-destruct the ship, destroying the army & their leader, saving the universe from the cybermen. You do NOT bring them to a place where they could be distributed all across the cosmos.
Did anyone else notice all the extra cable ports on the back of the Lone Cyberman? Please correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the only other character to have those connections John Lumic, the creator of the alternate Cybermen on Pete's World? It was never confirmed that he died, all we saw was the him falling into his exploding factory. Perhaps he escaped to land via the temporal shift at the beginning of the previous episode (please don't make me type the whole thing).
I think the Cyber Warriors are perfect, combining all the best looks, characteristics and voices of previous incarnations.
And when people say about being too robotic, like the whole point is that they keep upgrading g beyond organic material that will decompose and still be vulnerable to certain things. The classic Cybermen were revolutionary at the time, but in the modern day with technology being so advanced and having prosthetics and certain things reality, making them more robotic is the next step to keep it creepy.
Who is just glad ear muffed cybermen are back
I feel like Jack somehow saves them from that cypership, aslo he wasnt in this episode so i hope and execpt him to appear sooner rather than later in next episode. Make a theory video to make the wait feel not so long:)
It's official. Jack won't be back next week.
@@darrinhyde6553 where you hear that?
@@darrinhyde6553 really?
I think whats happening to Brendan is what happening in the head of a Cybermen. He gets shocked in the end and the lone Cyberman is shacking Cybermen in the real-world. I think in the next episode Cyberman Brendan will help save Graham and Yas.
Watching this i was thinking the entire time how would "War" Doctors deal with this. The War doctor probably would've blown up the entire planned just to kill the cybermen, 9 would've let at least one person die to kill the entire cyber army, 10 would find some technical solution, 11 would flail his arms around, and 12 would charge in with his screwdriver and probably die in the process.
What about the old doctors?
Job interviews are always that easy, when you're getting your position through nepotism.
Some of the plot holes in this episode were big enough to walk to gallifrey through!
Or move the planet of Galifrey not just an 18 wheeler through the plot homes. We used to say you could rave a truck through those plot holes.
I’m mostly convinced that with Brendan at the end, it could be a chameleon arc maybe??
I think that when the second Doctor was forced to regenerate the timelords made him be a baby and sent him to Ireland. While he was serving his sentence (without even knowing) the timelord CIA came to give him his memory back and forced him to regenerate into Ruth. Then leading on to the Ruth Doctor theory posted the other week.
No, Callum, then how do you explain the TARDIS breaking at the start of Pertwee's tenure and Ruth not recognizing the sonic screwdriver.
My theory is that Brendan is a previous incarnation of the doctor, and it's revealed that after so many regenerations the doctor had his/her memory wiped, hence the Doctor couldn't remember her previous incarnation earlier in the season. She is the timeless child.
Or maybe Brenden is Captain Jack, considering the way he suddenly came back alive is the same as the way Jack did with the 10th Doctor
@@jacob._.kilpatrick yeah but Jack was given his immortality as an adult by Rose and stopped agreeing, Brendan aged throughout the episode
@@kengorry6640 oh... Good point....
I can't wait for Sunday. I loved this episode
It worries me just a little bit to think there is going to be some kind of retcon with Captain Jack. I don't think it could possibly be true, since he became immortal or whatever as an adult and Brendan was clearly a baby in the beginning of the episode. Brendan also grew old in what was apparently a normal human lifespan, but still... It struck me at the moment Brendan came back alive or whatever after being shot, that he did it in much the same way Captain Jack returned to life after all his deaths, with that great gasp of breath and sitting bolt upright. It worries me...
My thought were that Brandon, his dad, and his superior were early time lords of sort and they were using a rudimentary chameleon arch, cause the thing they put on his head caused a lot of pain and sort of look like the arch from tennant era.
The moment when the round ship just sort of mail-boxed itself in to the Cyberman Carrier made me "wtf" out loud. That's the only down from me though and I'd say that makes the episode a big up overall.