I don't understand how that isn't the immediate conclusion of almost everyone. It seems pretty obvious. This likely flute fragment is much the same as the 43K year old Divje Babe flute.
Well done Guy. I can't wait to see you do some knitting with your repro dodecahedron - in the time-honoured tradition of experimental archaeology. I confess to being a little stumped by the holey tube but I imagine it with a long cord attached to the side hole then it being spun in the air to possibly produce a sound. Another kiddie's toy ? The simpler the object, the greater the number of its potential uses.
It sort of reminds me of a roman knife handle, but something about the position of the drilled hole just feels off. I'm loving this series showcasing these little finds.
Remains of a wind instrument, possibly 😉. A container for dispensing a measure of something. Part of a handle. I would think that any type of "pipe" (long, hollow, cylindrical tube) would be difficultish to make but very useful and making use of a naturally occurring "pipe" when available would popular.
Yes, it boggles my mind that he didn't immediately point out that it's probably a flute. It reminds me of the 43,000 year old Divje Babe flute fragment. I have to wonder if he's trying to make a mysterious video like the other, but didn't have a legit mystery to use.
Every piece of Samian ware has some defect... yet, every piece is obviously and immediately identifiable as Samian in form and color without significant variation. Feels like a manufacturing atmosphere that tolerates sloppiness but not creativity
Within my lifetime things were repaired to save the cherished item or to save money. Socks were darned. Trousers were patched. Crockery was glued. Etc. Etc. It's as recent as twenty to thirty years that damaged belongings are chucked and replaced. In parts of the World they still live this way. Also, there was, and still is, a trade in second hand or third hand items. (Charity stores and boot sales.) So I suggest these broken items might've been thrown out then picked up and put back together and resold by another person for far less than a new pot/bowl/jug. Rather than always used again by the original owner.
Couple of weeks ago our food processor had ceased to function properly. (the mixing paddles wouldn't stay in the body. After taking it apart I discovered the broken piece and attempted to find a spare part online. Unfortunately it was not available as it was quite an old food processor. Undaunted I then spent a couple of days, hand crafting a replacement part. Not only did it work, but was actually much stronger and had a more pleasing "click" as the paddles locked into place. Everything else about this machine is built to last so it's likely to be still working long after I'm gone. We also have every accessory for it (mixing paddles, dough hooks, blender, coffee grinder, meat grinder, meat slicer, vegetable chopper, dicer, grater, etc..) Imagine my consternation when, a couple of days later, my wife proudly showed me her brand new food mixer that's she's just purchased. Obviously I asked, but what about the one we already have that does so much more than this? "Oh it's past it's best so I took it down the dump" But it worked perfectly! "Yes but it was old" 😡 It's not the first time she's done this either. If something has been repaired, even if it's back to it's original condition, she'll dispose of it and get a new one. We had a sewing machine that started misbehaving, so I repaired it. It was working perfectly and I also used it for leatherwork. Ironically she's gone through about 3 new ones since that just don't work properly, even from new.
The object may be an early Roman furniture hinge (from lower quality furniture that did not have metal hinges). Perhaps broken from use, and discarded. It appears to have been turned on a lathe. Not sure. Entertaining video.
What if the Roman dodecahedrons were made specifically to confuse future civilizations who found them? "We wonder,-and some Hunter may express Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace, He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess What powerful but unrecorded race Once dwelt in that annihilated place." -- Horace Smith, Ozymandias
R.e riveted wares. I was an antiques dealer for many years and It was common to see mostly pewter "rivets" in objects in glass, china etc from the 18th /19th century. I imagine the fastenings were often pewter wires soldered in place through the holes to knit pieces together in a similar way elements in a stained glass window are fixed. It was noticeable that although it would obviously require great skill to re-assemle a broken object good enough to be usefull again it may not have been as expensive as one would imagine.. I have seen it on pieces that would have been very expensive Items in their day, ornate tablewares or large decorative vases for instance, but often it could be seen on quite humble things as well- earthenware pub jugs, tea cups, glasses etc. Another aspect may have been the sentimental value of an item.. grandads favourite bowl that had been in the family for years perhaps? Personally, I loved finding these things and often kept them because in the philestine world of dealing people would often say "oh it was a nice thing once" dismissively, meaning its financial value had gone because it was no longer saleable. It would be overlooked that the thing was still the lovely antique it ever was, the rivets to my eye would add something to its history. But Im a softy who never made much money (now considered a hoarder!)
I'll have to go back and watch your dodecahedron video. TH-cam suggested it to me as I watch a lot on the subject. I have no doubt about what it is. It's use is the same as the carve stone balls found in Scotland. The most basic tool used by people for the past 3 million years to get food is totally overlooked by our society. Archeologist even ignore them when they are found in the site they are studying. A simple rock is a weapon which brought us out of the trees and started us on our journey. Armies have been turned around by people with simple rocks. Do you remember mutiny on the bounty? When Bligh was put on that small vessel with all of those people he went to the first island where the man standing right beside him was killed. Do you know how? He was killed with a rock by a native. I could give hundreds of examples like this. People were sometimes stoned to death in history. Cortez lost many men from simple rocks. But they are ignored. Even Leaky (who found Lucy) thought a stone site in Olduvai Gorge was a possible dwelling from Homo Habilis couldn't recognize the weapons as a ground blind. It is painfully obvious. She thought it strange no animal remains were inside the dwelling. That is because the "dwelling" is a ground blind. You can still see the stones right beside the animal remains but they couldn't put it together. You should check it out. This years marks my 46th consecutive archery season. My father when young sometimes fed their family with a simple rock. I have harvested many things with just a rock. You probably do not know that the vital area of a deer is larger from above than on the same plane. The dodecahedrons and Scotish carved balls are all weapons. Different sizes for different animals. The key is the force of the object need to impact the smallest area so as to focus the energy. This is why there are tiny balls around it, to multiply the force. They are a decorative rock. I would like to know what animals lived in the areas in which they were all found and the type of the terrain. I'd bet they were found in landscape funnels, saddles, and edges.
Very much looking foward to seeing your knitting, Guy! 🙂 Before you forwarded the suggestion of a childs toy, I though something in these lines; we are the same today as back then... 'What is that?' 'Dunno,sir' : Oh well, I don't care, I WANT one anyway!'
Fascinating, I did not know stapling/riveting ceramics back together was a 2000 year old idea at least. I had seen it on fairly high value items such as 18th chinese import ceramics, high end 19th century decorative plates where they could not be easily replaced and even then they were for display only. It only really died out with the development of superglue/epoxy? Did the Romans bother as much repairing locally produced pottery since I guess it would be less valuable than the imported Samian? Regarding the mystery object I am going with a wild guess that it is a toggle for running string through and tying clothing together, its been decorated for ornamentation?
the high precision and high-grade smooth surface clearly indicate that this object has been manufactured by an advanced ancient alien civilization; I reckon it could have been used as a handle in a spaceship's faster-than-light drive, the give-away here being that the hole is exactly the right size for an LED indicator lamp. I think, therefore I believe is what Descartes said /s
Very interesting thanks. I quite like the theory that they could be a cypher encoder/decoder and don't think the knitting aid theory is right because there are much more simple ways to achieve the same thing. I'm planning to make one out of wood soon, so hopefully the process of making it and holding it might inspire some ideas.
Interesting . The mind boggles quite honestly. The decoration might imply that it was intended to be seen. The hole, maybe that it had a cord or something threw it. Perhaps it might be a part of a necklace of some sort? But the hole is off-centre. hmmm! I am struggling to type by the way as the font is so small and I think I do actually need reading glasses! I am going to be wracking my brains all night now!
I need the backstory of how this thing, whatever it is, was found. Since somebody finding a bone cylinder in the Thames is most likely going to toss it on the pile of all the other pipe stems
Bro that is a one hitter / chillum for smokin weeeeeed (admittedly it seems like it was cracked in half lengthwise, but that's just what happens with artifacts y'know) This is proof that the romans must have visited the new world in antiquity - a harrowing journey to be sure, but as we know from contemporary examples people will go to almost any length to get their hands on that good sticky icky. This is a stupendous revelation! One can only ponder what other cultural exchanges must have taken place between the peoples of ancient Rome and Native America during this, the first recorded drug deal in human history.
Looks like part of a wood flute to me🪈
I think the same
I don't understand how that isn't the immediate conclusion of almost everyone.
It seems pretty obvious.
This likely flute fragment is much the same as the 43K year old Divje Babe flute.
Lots of videos coming out last few days keeping me entertained on my days off thanks Guy.
Well done Guy. I can't wait to see you do some knitting with your repro dodecahedron - in the time-honoured tradition of experimental archaeology. I confess to being a little stumped by the holey tube but I imagine it with a long cord attached to the side hole then it being spun in the air to possibly produce a sound. Another kiddie's toy ? The simpler the object, the greater the number of its potential uses.
It sort of reminds me of a roman knife handle, but something about the position of the drilled hole just feels off.
I'm loving this series showcasing these little finds.
Remains of a wind instrument, possibly 😉. A container for dispensing a measure of something. Part of a handle. I would think that any type of "pipe" (long, hollow, cylindrical tube) would be difficultish to make but very useful and making use of a naturally occurring "pipe" when available would popular.
Yes, it boggles my mind that he didn't immediately point out that it's probably a flute.
It reminds me of the 43,000 year old Divje Babe flute fragment.
I have to wonder if he's trying to make a mysterious video like the other, but didn't have a legit mystery to use.
Thanks! I really enjoy these little insights into how simple things of daily life were done.
A woman made a video with a dodecahedron and she made metal tubes jewellery chains , very convincing
Every piece of Samian ware has some defect... yet, every piece is obviously and immediately identifiable as Samian in form and color without significant variation. Feels like a manufacturing atmosphere that tolerates sloppiness but not creativity
Within my lifetime things were repaired to save the cherished item or to save money. Socks were darned. Trousers were patched. Crockery was glued. Etc. Etc. It's as recent as twenty to thirty years that damaged belongings are chucked and replaced. In parts of the World they still live this way. Also, there was, and still is, a trade in second hand or third hand items. (Charity stores and boot sales.) So I suggest these broken items might've been thrown out then picked up and put back together and resold by another person for far less than a new pot/bowl/jug. Rather than always used again by the original owner.
Couple of weeks ago our food processor had ceased to function properly. (the mixing paddles wouldn't stay in the body. After taking it apart I discovered the broken piece and attempted to find a spare part online. Unfortunately it was not available as it was quite an old food processor. Undaunted I then spent a couple of days, hand crafting a replacement part. Not only did it work, but was actually much stronger and had a more pleasing "click" as the paddles locked into place. Everything else about this machine is built to last so it's likely to be still working long after I'm gone. We also have every accessory for it (mixing paddles, dough hooks, blender, coffee grinder, meat grinder, meat slicer, vegetable chopper, dicer, grater, etc..)
Imagine my consternation when, a couple of days later, my wife proudly showed me her brand new food mixer that's she's just purchased. Obviously I asked, but what about the one we already have that does so much more than this? "Oh it's past it's best so I took it down the dump" But it worked perfectly! "Yes but it was old" 😡
It's not the first time she's done this either. If something has been repaired, even if it's back to it's original condition, she'll dispose of it and get a new one. We had a sewing machine that started misbehaving, so I repaired it. It was working perfectly and I also used it for leatherwork. Ironically she's gone through about 3 new ones since that just don't work properly, even from new.
The object may be an early Roman furniture hinge (from lower quality furniture that did not have metal hinges). Perhaps broken from use, and discarded. It appears to have been turned on a lathe. Not sure. Entertaining video.
Looks like a barrel tap to me.
First impression was a part of a flute. Then I thought that it was part of a stopcock. Now I'm convinced it's a discarded broken stopcock. lol
Have been trying to find a nice cheap dodecahedron online to experiment with but coming up with little I trust being historically accurate.
A fascinating video. Thank you Guy.
Wonder if there was an aspect of the heirloom about some of these healed pots.
What if the Roman dodecahedrons were made specifically to confuse future civilizations who found them?
"We wonder,-and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place."
-- Horace Smith, Ozymandias
R.e riveted wares. I was an antiques dealer for many years and It was common to see mostly pewter "rivets" in objects in glass, china etc from the 18th /19th century. I imagine the fastenings were often pewter wires soldered in place through the holes to knit pieces together in a similar way elements in a stained glass window are fixed. It was noticeable that although it would obviously require great skill to re-assemle a broken object good enough to be usefull again it may not have been as expensive as one would imagine.. I have seen it on pieces that would have been very expensive Items in their day, ornate tablewares or large decorative vases for instance, but often it could be seen on quite humble things as well- earthenware pub jugs, tea cups, glasses etc. Another aspect may have been the sentimental value of an item.. grandads favourite bowl that had been in the family for years perhaps?
Personally, I loved finding these things and often kept them because in the philestine world of dealing people would often say "oh it was a nice thing once" dismissively, meaning its financial value had gone because it was no longer saleable. It would be overlooked that the thing was still the lovely antique it ever was, the rivets to my eye would add something to its history. But Im a softy who never made much money (now considered a hoarder!)
Looks like a toggle used to hold clothing together, rather as we use buttons today.
Is it a whistle or similar wind instrument type thing?
Sid Wright, used to sell reject pottery on Walsall Market back in the 1960s to 1990s. With DelBoy style no money back guarantees
Something used with knots and rope in an aquatic setting.
Great video, I'm about to subscribe.
I'll have to go back and watch your dodecahedron video. TH-cam suggested it to me as I watch a lot on the subject.
I have no doubt about what it is. It's use is the same as the carve stone balls found in Scotland.
The most basic tool used by people for the past 3 million years to get food is totally overlooked by our society. Archeologist even ignore them when they are found in the site they are studying.
A simple rock is a weapon which brought us out of the trees and started us on our journey. Armies have been turned around by people with simple rocks. Do you remember mutiny on the bounty? When Bligh was put on that small vessel with all of those people he went to the first island where the man standing right beside him was killed. Do you know how? He was killed with a rock by a native. I could give hundreds of examples like this. People were sometimes stoned to death in history. Cortez lost many men from simple rocks. But they are ignored. Even Leaky (who found Lucy) thought a stone site in Olduvai Gorge was a possible dwelling from Homo Habilis couldn't recognize the weapons as a ground blind. It is painfully obvious. She thought it strange no animal remains were inside the dwelling. That is because the "dwelling" is a ground blind. You can still see the stones right beside the animal remains but they couldn't put it together. You should check it out.
This years marks my 46th consecutive archery season. My father when young sometimes fed their family with a simple rock. I have harvested many things with just a rock.
You probably do not know that the vital area of a deer is larger from above than on the same plane.
The dodecahedrons and Scotish carved balls are all weapons. Different sizes for different animals. The key is the force of the object need to impact the smallest area so as to focus the energy. This is why there are tiny balls around it, to multiply the force. They are a decorative rock. I would like to know what animals lived in the areas in which they were all found and the type of the terrain. I'd bet they were found in landscape funnels, saddles, and edges.
fingermarks shows it's handmade, today they would charge you more for them..
Keep them coming..
Very much looking foward to seeing your knitting, Guy! 🙂 Before you forwarded the suggestion of a childs toy, I though something in these lines; we are the same today as back then...
'What is that?'
'Dunno,sir'
: Oh well, I don't care, I WANT one anyway!'
A button. To hold up your roman kilt thing?
Fascinating, I did not know stapling/riveting ceramics back together was a 2000 year old idea at least. I had seen it on fairly high value items such as 18th chinese import ceramics, high end 19th century decorative plates where they could not be easily replaced and even then they were for display only. It only really died out with the development of superglue/epoxy? Did the Romans bother as much repairing locally produced pottery since I guess it would be less valuable than the imported Samian? Regarding the mystery object I am going with a wild guess that it is a toggle for running string through and tying clothing together, its been decorated for ornamentation?
At first I thought a handle for a knife or sceptre but I think probably a flute.
the high precision and high-grade smooth surface clearly indicate that this object has been manufactured by an advanced ancient alien civilization; I reckon it could have been used as a handle in a spaceship's faster-than-light drive, the give-away here being that the hole is exactly the right size for an LED indicator lamp. I think, therefore I believe is what Descartes said /s
oh yes and maybe a flute, although somehow I feel that to be too obvious an answer given how you chose to present it
Ancient astronaut experts would agree!!!
Very interesting thanks. I quite like the theory that they could be a cypher encoder/decoder and don't think the knitting aid theory is right because there are much more simple ways to achieve the same thing.
I'm planning to make one out of wood soon, so hopefully the process of making it and holding it might inspire some ideas.
(part of a)Spigot for a water jar, would be my guess.
I’d guess a military whistle or part of a musical instrument.
Hole drilled for a string to hang it...maybe a handle for a tool. Looking forward to your next video.
Maybe like a button type fastener for holding one’s toga tight?
Interesting . The mind boggles quite honestly. The decoration might imply that it was intended to be seen. The hole, maybe that it had a cord or something threw it. Perhaps it might be a part of a necklace of some sort? But the hole is off-centre. hmmm! I am struggling to type by the way as the font is so small and I think I do actually need reading glasses! I am going to be wracking my brains all night now!
That reminds me of the Roman sceptre they dug up on “Temp Grex” 😉.
please do more videos like this
obviously it's a boatswain's whistle as it was in the Thames, hence the need for fife on HMS ships to this day.
Tinder carrier. Part of Firestarting Kit. Missing end stops and cork.
I'm thinking a Pictish salt shaker
A drawer handle! The hole is for riveting it to the wood.
I guess a button type fastener.
I think it was part of a whistle.
One of several handles to a thrown fishing net.
I'll put my money on the ancient equivalent of those god awful plastic recorders (musical instrument) that they gave us at school.
A whistle? To signal troops or hunt birds?
I cheated and used Google. It still could be any number of things, but so far it looks like only one commenter guessed correctly.
Caligula's crack pipe?
( ᐢ (oo) ᐢ )
a tool to help you make cordage of some type....
I need the backstory of how this thing, whatever it is, was found. Since somebody finding a bone cylinder in the Thames is most likely going to toss it on the pile of all the other pipe stems
whistle
Bro that is a one hitter / chillum for smokin weeeeeed (admittedly it seems like it was cracked in half lengthwise, but that's just what happens with artifacts y'know) This is proof that the romans must have visited the new world in antiquity - a harrowing journey to be sure, but as we know from contemporary examples people will go to almost any length to get their hands on that good sticky icky. This is a stupendous revelation! One can only ponder what other cultural exchanges must have taken place between the peoples of ancient Rome and Native America during this, the first recorded drug deal in human history.
A flute
A nose flute.
Sheep dog whistle.