Joel Salatin Semester - Pastured Poultry Lesson
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To those who think farming is cruel: Joel Salatin didn't invent the idea of keeping animals. He did improve their living conditions and happiness quotient immensely, compared to the lives they would have had in a conventional modern American CAFO. His slaughtering methods are as humane as any death could ever be, designed to be as quick, sure, and painless as possible with no undue stress to the animal. The animals' quality of life and death on his farm are second to none.
He didn’t invent any of that. All he did was help make popular traditional methods. He’s helping bring back the small farm. The family farm. Contrary to popular belief, those things did not go away because of taxes or property values are because young people Don’t want to farm. Small and local farms have been disappearing for decades because of government regulations. Because of crony capitalism. Because of people that think they have to protect us and save us from ourselves!
What Joel Salaton and people that do market gardens and other forms of regenerative and sustainable agriculture are doing is showing how to farm smarter, more sustainable, more profitably than the past methods. But again those methods of the past were in large part because of government and other people thinking they knew better.
On training the hens to return to the henhouse at night, we used to have a light on a timer set to come on just before dusk. The light attracted them inside, their was some feed to peck, and then they got on their roosts. Also, the hens had been condiditoned to come when called for feed or 'special treats' like worms, whey, whatever - and we could call them and shut them in at any time of the day, if we needed to. Salatin has some great practical advice, but pften we have to 'tweak' things to fit our own situation.
Joel's videos just make me wanna be a farmer, there is more meaning on a farm life than a city life, where you spend most of your day doing things you don't like for a boss who you wanna kill and you can't wait vacation time to get outta there
FeelingShred are you farming yet?
Get some property boy
You are so damn right.
I know people who have excellent success with training layers to roost at night on small acreages. In fact; I have a friend who runs 10 chickens in a small egg mobile built 4 feet across to perfectly fit the width of his garden beds. The hens are moved daily, and he has the best garden in the county. I do agree that it is a waste of time attempting to train them before they are nesting and laying. Everything has to be modified to everyone's individual situation and can be. After all; Joel Salatin himself is a product of his own innovational concepts. Love his concepts, can't get enough of his info, and if I was 20 years younger, would be there as an intern soaking it up! His innovative ideas are changing things for the better, make them yours, take them and run with them. Good luck in your endeavors.
I wonder if having a rooster with them makes a difference ? We have never had an issue, but have only had already laying hens, except adding in 10 or so close-to-laying hens once, & was few yrs back, don't remember if they all came in 1st day out or not. I'm pretty sure we left them in 1st day.
Actually if you only have a few hands you don't need a rooster around if you do not have any don't worry about it they will still lay infertile eggs the rooster is only to have fertile eggs that will hatch out into chicks
Thanks for sharing this video.
I live on a 1/4 acre in a subdivision. I have a 12 x 30 run and then another 12 x 12 "dry area connected, Our temp area had to be torn down so our chickens are coop less right now. I have a box with crates for them to lay. We are in the process of building a new coop. And 9 of 13 of my chickens are approaching 2 yrs old right now, and I ended up w/ 2 roosters (thank you TSC). I am thinking of replacing them with 6-10 more chicks right now so I have feathered chickens come winter (S.E. Michigan). The Dry area will be sand. and the run area is going to be composting material. I let them run the whole 1/4 acre every 3 or 4th day to forage (makes the BBQ nights less buggy). So far other than the one rooster crowing too much the chickens are happy, my yard is less buggy, no moles, bare spots are filling in, and the neighbors like the eggs (whom I asked before getting the chickens). Also, my son wants to put a 2-1/2' fence dividing the run into 1/3 rd and add a doe rabbit on each end and a buck in the middle to start raising rabbits with the Chickens This way the chickens can still move throughout the run but the rabbits would be restricted (son wants to do a modified colony raising). Do you think this is too much? What would you recommend?
As long as it doesn't smell it's all right.
I'd recommend the rum to be filled with at least 8 inches of woodchips.
Everyone calling Joel "cruel" etc. get real. Animals raised on his farm have lives that far exceed what average "feedlot" or cage raised animals have. The man is a small farmer, not an animal abuser. Go watch a video on how Perdue or Tyson raises and slaughters their birds, then take a look at how Joel does it. Way more humane lives. If the way meat is produced offends you, apparently your parents never taught you how life works. If you are a vegetarian, I don't understand why you would even want to watch such videos, knowing you will be offended (most, not ALL vegetarians). Vegetarian diets lead to serious deficiencies in vitamins D, B12, creatine, carnosine, and DHA, among many others. I say rip out those feathers and pass the BBQ sauce!
You got it. I farm small too with organic fruit and veggies. Livestock is coming up. Locals where I live may have only a few acres to farm on but give their animals a great life, sometimes better than the farmer gets....why people are upset is crap. They need to be mad at viable things instead...like oil wars...or genocide...etc....
Gubna Patton llpppo
"Way more humane lives"
I wonder how much sunlight Tyson chickens get compared to Joel's.
you seem to have a chip on your shoulder WHO called Salatin cruel ?? Edit: Now I saw, last comment, 3 followers, likely enjoys the trolling .... It is the internet after all :)
Or maybe he was offended that Joel does not think highly of their intelligence.
in response to Boddah Meep - for protection from aerial predators he uses a goose. One per flock will be enough.
nice post
My experience with hawks is that guardian dogs keep them away.
Free range chooks by definition are always free, so "letting them out" is not negotiable - that is their natural state.
If the chooks are not moved to new areas frequently then they will make a new home.
If they are not moved frequently to a new area then they will destroy their environment.
So if they are roosting somewhere other than where you want them to, they are telling you that you are being lazy.
Any tips regarding coyotes?
Hello community! Any tips with this system and coyotes?
Love everything but your 50 acre thingy. one acre is 43,560ft :3 =14,520 yards : 400 yards=36.30 circles X 10 acres =363. lots.
To close, then use one circle per acre, making 10 rotations to keep the hen off balance, with no home base.
We had true free range chicken on the farm as a child & no chicken coop, they rested in the trees, we hunted egg & no poop on the porch.
50 acres / yard * 4840 yds = 242,000 square yards. Wich still does not account for a 400 yard diameter circle but 1.5 times. I have seen the eggmobiles, and they are not netted in at 400 yards, more like 400 ft, so i am assuming he was miss stating the units. Fifty acres = 2,178,000 square feet. If the "lot" is 400' wide, then you have 5,445 liner feet to accomodate movement, this is ignoring nesting of cicles. 5,445 feet / 400' diameter = 13.6 individual rotations. There's no way it is in yards, just look at the linear feet of netting required for a 400 yard diameter pen, 400 yards * 3.14 = 1256 linear yards of fence, that's almost 3/4 of a mile! Having seen pics of the eggmobiles as well as sat imagery, the diamter is 400'. I have never met a chicken that would venture more than 100' from it's safe "home"
It's 400yard perimeter so what he said is correct
He does not put nets around his eggmobiles. That's why he says 50 acres.
Of course if you put netting, then you can do 1/4 acre circles.
Will this course be offered again in 2015?
Please can we have subtitles? Thanks!
Tim Eaton, I could remark on how personally insulting a person's appearance doesn't make for a compelling argument to your cause, but I'll just say nice try, thanks for the laugh, and try not to hurt your brain thinking about those tasty chickens.
We just hang very bright lights under the mobile coop for the first week, we eat the one or two who will not go in.
A chicken showed up on my back fence the other day. I have no idea where it came from. It actually made a lot of noise for a while, and then it disappeared, hopefully back to where it lives. It was kinda pretty! I must say I've considered getting a chicken for my backyard to take care of bugs and provide some eggs, but would that even work? Even after all the videos I've watched about regenerative agriculture, no one has talked about having just one chicken. I sure don't want 800 of them. LOL
Chickens are flock animals, so just one wouldn't be a good idea, but 5 works just fine.
@@FebbieG Not in my backyard. LOL
@@wendyscott8425 3 would be great. Then if you lose 1 they still have company.
@@diannamc367 Thanks! I'll give it some thought.
@@wendyscott8425 you're welcome 😊
I’m thinking a 10 acre pig 🐷 farm a few miles from home sounds like a great idea. Don’t need to worry about the smell if I don’t live there
Birds are the easiest to do on a small scale. Next would be sheep and goats. Followed by pigs and then last would be cattle. They come in that order because it has to do with how much land you have and the capital investment you have to make to raise manage and then ultimately slaughter and distribute.
What’s even more mind blowing is when you look at market gardening and you see the kind of money people can make on anywhere from 1/4 of an acre to a small one or 2 acre farm compared to a huge farm used in traditional practices with heavy equipment. Small scale intensive farming is insanely more profitable because it operates on a completely different business model! Actually it’s not just a different business model, it’s an entirely different paradigm.
Great video but what if I was to use mobile electric fencing so that the chickens could only go 50 yards or less from the egg mobile? Would that allow me to use the egg mobile on 10 acres of pasture or do the birds need the 400 yard diameter?
You can keep it smaller they'll just get less food from foraging. How many birds do you have or are considering?
Thanks for the reply. Here is what we were thinking. We currently have 8 one acre paddocks that 4 cows are grazing. We have a 4x8 ft egg laying tractor with 6 nest boxes that we just built. We were thinking that we could split the paddock into thirds so that each day, 20-30 layers could graze on a third of an acre per day. Any thoughts on this?
We have, and currently know several small farms that are using mobile henhouses on MUCH less than 50 acres. Some of them only move the houses once a week, and the hens roost inside. Also, different breeds have different distances that they will naturally range from the henhouse or coop. Those with smaller properties may want to experiement with breeds other than the red sex-links, the commercial brown egg layers. Granted, other breeds or crosses will probably lay fewer eggs per year, but finding what works in a given situation is the key to making small-scale agriculture work. Breeds to consider for smaller acreages include Wyandottes, Delaware, Orpington, Australorp, Rhode Island, New Hampshire - just to name a few possibilities.
Doesn't Joel Salatin use a fence for the layers?
Eggmobiles no Fethearnet yes
wish this would address hawks. but perhaps thats on another part... also i wonder if a lot of this isn't so categorical and not directly influenced by him and his location, birds, etc. He seems to be saying that free ranged birds will find a better place to roost if they are let out too often, I have not come across this in my reading, maybe he only means in a chicken tractor design and not a stationary always home coop system. Either way I enjoyed the video, thanks!
He has a guard goose and guard dogs to take care of that
A meat diet is a plant-based diet.
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I have been wondering why farmers don't use the electric fencing with broilers as they do with laying hens. If anyone knows please share.
The broilers he raises are Cornish Cross, very large-breasted birds that don't like to move around very much because they are so top-heavy. They are content in their 12x10ft moveable bottomless houses, moved once a day. The laying hens are more natural razor-breasted birds who enjoy roaming around. So Joel gives each what they most enjoy.
Thanks for the response. I have raised broilers in these movable pens for two years now (only small batches of 25 or 50 birds.) But this year I was thinking about doing the broilers with an electric fence enclosure with a movable awning rather than the actual enclosed pen. The awning would be easier to move, less costly to construct, and provide shade/shelter like the pen. What do you think? Thanks again. Air predators are my only concern.
Tony Maritato I know Joel uses wooden enclosures to keep out ground predators like weasels, etc. In the end, though, the only way to know for sure if a method works for you is to try it and see what happens.
The broilers are younger and generally not smart enough to hide from aerial predators - hawks, owls, etc. They also get very hot in summer, so the shade from the covered portion of the shelters is where they usually hang out. Also, they won't roam as far from the feeder/waterer as mature laying hens will, because they just don't forage like a mature laying hen. The cornish cross do forage, despite what many will say. The key, as I learned from Joel, is at what time of day you move them. Move them early in the morning so that they get that fresh paddock of pasture, laden with dew, to encourage as much pasture ingestion as possible. After they have eaten their fill, then feed them grain.
@@tonymaritato7502 if you are concerned about aerial attacks, put a full-grown goose in with them. This is not a guarantee but it will be less likely having an attack.
"Chickens go in and pies come out" MISTER TWEEDY
Epic combover
Are you seriously equating how Mr. Salatin produces eggs to the egg producers to McDonalds in Canada?
youtube "Egg McMisery"
"How many 400 yard circles could you draw on a 50 yard area without overlapping? Only about 6,7,8..."
This guys numbers never add up. The fact is you can draw only one 400 yard circle without overlapping. This is simple math. Something that escapes this guy in almost all his talks. He does have good ideas, ideas that have been around for 100 years. He's by no means a trailblazer. Take the ideas for what they're worth, and do your own research. Don't follow this guys exact words.
he said 50 acres
I meant to say 50 acres not yards. The math still stands. Grab a piece of paper and start drawing circles. Answer is only 1.
You need roughly 36 acres just to draw one 400 yard circle. You want 5+ circles, start buying land that only the rich can afford. Then maybe you can have a free range chicken set up. Lol
perhaps joel misspoke. i mean hell, you did and you're sitting at home whilst he's in front of a crowd. i'll grant you that he makes it sound easy when its surely not.. but we do need thinkers in farming.
julia schnelle
"perhaps joel misspoke". No, he definitely misspoke. The question is did he know it, and if not--why not? I own 40 acres of land, which is a 1/4 mile (440 yards) on each side. That means I could get one of his 400 yard circles in my 40 acres--same with his "50 acres". U.S. land, under the Public Land Survey System (PLSS), divides land into "sections" that equal 640 acres, which is one mile on each side (1760 yards.) Anyone who owns or has ever bought and sold tracts of land, or who has farmed or leased tracts of land knows these numbers. That's why I knew he was wrong as soon as he said it. The problem is he kept saying it, over and over and over.
Now, he could have had a senior moment and just forgotten--but you still have to wonder how such an obvious mistake was not corrected, with at least a caption, by VergePermaculture on this video. But, to just pretend it didn't happen, like some cult follower, doesn't help anyone, because, ultimately, if he was correct about "minimum of 50 acres", then he was talking about a new 50 acres every time you move them. How many time do you move them before you can bring them back to the original acreage? Twenty one? If so, then your "50 acre minimum" now becomes, 21 X 50 or a 1,050 acres. Big difference.
He is full of crap
Do us a favor and keep your mouth shut, you know nothing. Your input is useless.
Yup useless.
Why would you bother to post that? Idiot.
A meat diet is a plant-based diet.
A meat diet is a plant-based diet.
True, if the animals are fed what they're supposed to eat: grasses, forbs, and legumes fresh daily. If they're fed grains and chicken feathers and ground up cow, not so much.