God acho is retarted the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
We can’t sit up here and act like we didn’t watch Brandon Staley literally LOSE multiple games that Justin Herbert won. Bad defensive play calling. Calling timeouts at the worst time. Going for it on 4th with the lead on the wrong side of the field. Justin Herbert has proven he can be good on a bad team. But you can’t drag bad coaching and bad defensive on offense. It just doesn’t happen.
@@calebsarro9899 and if the offense did their job once they would have won…..defense spotting you a 4 score lead you lose and blame the defense, you are a loser
I dont even think Manning or Brady win that Raiders game when the Chargers had STORM NORTON lined up across MAXX CROSBY lmao greater than that? Acho cmon
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
Acho is right, like it or not. If Herbert really wants to be great and win, he needs to play both sides of the ball. Defense, offense and special teams. If Shohei can do it, so can Justin Herbert. If Herbert doesn’t make this defense top 10 in the league next season while getting 40 TDs and 11 sacks, he's absolutely cooked.
4739 yds 25 tds 10 Int in 2022…5k yds 2021 -- yet dude says He hasn’t got close to 4000 in a few years??? And He wud have 21 4th Qtr comebacks if Defense didn’t lose lead in final 2 minutes after He drove for go ahead score ….The Herbert hate is ridiculous ⚡️🆙
@@AilmanF2P that doesn’t makes sense if you leading the nfl In turnovers you the reason yall act like them man wasn’t surrounded by talent he just another dak in my opinion
@@terryharris8228 Allen is the second best QB in football even with the turnovers. Thats the issue, he also lead the NFL in touchdowns last season. If you compare the Bills talent to the Chargers they are basically the same team. There is not great talent around Josh, not coaching, not defense even with Diggs not his receiver room. Two things can be true, he leads the NFL in turnovers. He is without a doubt the second best QB in football outside of a fully healthy Joe Burrow. Favre won 3 MVPs in a row with the most turnovers in that 3 year span. The thing is if your great outweighs your bad.
Yall dont show pass attempts Herbert average 40 pass attempts duhhhhhh going throw 5k yards 40 pass attempts 😂😂😂😂😂 Jameis Winston threw 5k yards 32 td he bench because 30 int turnover ball Herbert overrated he getting offense he won 0 playoff them loosing on him Average 40 pass attempts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
According to Acho: Mahomes excuse: receivers dropping balls Allen’s excuse: defense injured and depleted Burrow’s excuse: O-line Lamar’s excuse: depleted running back room Herbert’s excuses: all of the above plus Brandon Staley Let him have a couple years at minimum with harbaugh and this new roster and then we can really judge him
Chargers have had a bottem 5 oline every year since 2020, keenan allen and mike williams missed a combined 60% of games that herbert was in. Austin eckler never had a 1000 yard rushing season, while the defense has had prices they have been a bottom 10 d year after year. So why do you say they have had a top roster?
I didn't know Justin Herbert was supposed to overcome the 32nd ranked pass defense 🤣🤦 and every other narrative that Acho says other quarterbacks defeated, were not actual examples of excuses 🤣. He brought up a bunch of mainstream casual ESPN and cable TV story lines that real ballnowers do not talk about 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤦🤦 Acho still a massive clown in 2024
The problem is, Herbert has clearly been held back from this roster.. 1. NEVER had even a below average run game, always a bottom 5 team in rushing 2. His playmakers were almost always banged up every yr 3. Terrible coaching/having to change their offense every single yr he’s been in the league 4. AT LEAST 3/4 yrs Chargers been bottom 5 in defense 5. Consistently has had a bottom 5 pass blocking OL 6. Chargers have never had speed at the WR position for JHerb (outside a random Jalen Guyton szn, he could never stretch out the defense and actually throw the ball downfield. Idc who you are as a QB, other than maybeeee Mahomes, but you can deal with 2-3 of these maybe 4 and win, but you can’t deal with allllll of these consistently every yr and expect to be a winning football team.
A bunch of analysts and casual fans saying Herbert is overrated. But then you have one of the best QBs of all time in Peyton Manning saying Herbert is top 5. I’m going with one of the best all time and someone that knows Ball on this one. I love all the casuals crying about it. 😂
Excuses for Herbert all day ! When the last 2 years these same people said chargers was going to win there division and make in the playoffs it don't happen now it's the rosters fault 😂
@@karlclintsman2950 So let me get this straight, when you have someone who many claim is a top 5 qb (I don’t even think he’s top 10) and his defense gives him 5 turnovers, he can’t be expected to win the game?? You don’t know how ridiculous that sounds
My god Acho is biased and completely illogical. So many holes in his excuses. Herbert is a top 3 qb in the nfl. His team has been bottom of the league. No, Mahomes, allen, Burrow, Lamar, none of these guys have had even close to what Herbert has had to deal with.
Then he starts talking about Mahomes overcoming his receivers drops while disregarding the role their defense played in overcoming that. Just really dumb that a former player holds individual player narratives higher than team football
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool Btw he only scored 17 points the final game of the season the defense carried him
God were still on this non sense?? Herbert does what he does meanwhile bottom 5 in defense, bottom 5 in rushing and y’all still keep saying “we gotta see Justin Herbert win some games” FOH
Acho named excuses for 4 different QBs and Herbert has had all those problems combined, Defense got hurt, Starting WRs hurt, players dropping passes, worst OLine 2 years and worse Def first 4 years, Kicker problems first 3 years until Dicker last year and one of the worst coaches to start with Staley and Lynn
I swear every Herbert Hater acts like mahomes or anyone else they think is better than Justin wouldve done much better with the chargers since 2020. Anthony Lynn, Brandon Staley, the defense, offensive line, mass injuries, and the lack of the running game will hold back anyone. He’s been this eras Matt Stafford but with Harbaugh coming in, Herbert will be undeniable and there will be nothing anyone can say bc he truly is a top 3 QB in the sport. Flaws and all
Instead of arguing why Herbert is THAT good, let me ask the fans in the comments this: What supporting cast over the last 3-4 years is worse than Chargers? Did your team's defense give up the most points in a 3 year span? Is your coach worse than Brandon Staley? Is your team's best receiver worse than Keenan Allen? Is your run game in the bottom 10 every year? Does your offensive line finish in the bottom 10 per PFF every year? Does your team have a home field advantage? For fans of other teams, ask yourselves if your team has any of these issues. Do you get mad about them and hope your team fixes them or do you think your QB should be able to win playoff games regardless of these issues?
Keenan Allen, austin ekler lead the league in touchdowns the year before he left, Mike williams, the tight end everett, they drafted a first round wide receiver last year Quentin Johnson and Josh Palmer is one of the best 3rd team receivers. Herbert had weapons but ppl criticized Trevor Lawrence 😂 Trevor has never had a bonafide wide receiver, Christian Kirk is a number 3 like he was in Arizona, Calvin Ridley was away from football almost 2yrs so washed, Zay jones was the fourth receiver option in Oakland, Evan Ingram was considered a bust before coming to Jax so just imagine what happens if Trevor can have those number 1 options like other quarterbacks, Pat Mahomes had Tyreke Hill, Travis Kelce, Joe Borrow has Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Josh Allen had Stefon Diggs And Gabe Davis, Tua has Tyreke Hill and Jaylen Waddle,
Great qbs cover up roster issues. Well you are asking him to cover terrible coaching, bad defense, except last year poor soecial teams, poor running game. His defense has ranked 30th since he started in the league.
Stop making excuses for Herbert. I keep hearing critics and even greats that keep saying Herbert is better than lamar and he's a top 5 qb. Herbert hasn't even won a playoff game yet and to hear him being in the top 5 list of qbs and hearing people say he's better than a 2 time league mvp in lamar is insane
You watched the one game Herbert didn't play last year? Other team dropped 60+ on them. Look at the time of possession. Chargers are irrelevant without Herbert.
It's based on If you put Herbert on The Ravens they'd be better and not rely so much on their run game and defense..who carried Lamar to a media MVP award😅
@@HockeyDudeJames2Herbert not even close chargers had the best roster 2 out his 4 years and can’t win a big game how can he better on the Ravens 😂😂😂 casual statement Herbert might not be a top 10 . U telling me with less stout receiving core Herbert would be better and he’s has great skill players , he just another overrated white dude @ QB . He’s not the first nor will he be the last
@@jairobautista6014 harbaugh got paid too lol they aren’t expecting him to win a Super Bowl year 1. If you understand football you understand is a process. You are delusional if you think chargers have a playoff team. So kiddo go learn some football
@@Bankroll98 we don’t, professionals do. See Payton labeled him top 5. I can trust Payton I think he has some credibility. I mean he has done some with his life. Now you on the other side lol. Enough said. lol
Obviously you guys don’t watch games. Lost to lions last year. Chargers scored a TD in every 2nd half possession and 5 straight in the game and THEY LOST. Because the defense is that bad
By who?? You Lamar Jackson fans are.the worst lmao. James Jones literally started the segment off saying that Herbert needs to win in the playoffs, no excuses were made. You didnt even watch the video I'm sure.
Oh Noo baby. Golden boy has Nothing to improve. He is perfect. He can choke a 27 point lead in the playoffs and he still will be protected and be ranked top 7 cuz he got a good hair and seems humble. Man will fail to make a playoff again this year and going to next season they gone measure him by his potential
@@legitdragon6202it remind them of them ole school QBs 😂 before Mahommes and Lamar came to the leage and added athleticism speed to the game which most of the ones that look like him can’t do.
Peyton manning is an ex-player not a renowned evaluator He has his opinions like anyone else does not make his better. People respond to what they see.
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
@@onojaefeogaga1387 Fair, my opinion is Herb is a top 3 QB, I watch a lot of ball. His IQ and skill and clutch factor in his 4 years is extremely impressive.
Football is not a one man sport so it’s funny how you all can talk smack about him but yet don’t see the legitimate excuses. He’s the one that’s been carrying the team
I mean just look at how they looked with stick last year 😑😑 imagine the chargers without Herbert the last years.. I would’ve stopped watching Fr fr. Herbert has saved the chargers in many ways.
Great QBs cover up poor rosters but how many of them cover up poor coaching and still win? Someone please tell me. People forget that Herbert has been keeping the Chargers relevant despite two of the worst HCs in modern history.
@@johnravens9869 Andrews, OBJ, Desean Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hollywood Brown, Willie Sneed, Likely, Patrick Richard, Mark Ingram, Nelson Agholor, Bateman, Flowers.
Did this dude really just compare Herbert’s team to the Bills, Chiefs, Ravens and Bengals? Does this guy watch football or just speak on it? Herbert has been surrounded by JV players aside from Keenan and Ekeler.
I hate when they call grown men, playing a PROFESSIONAL game, kids. These men are not kids… they are bigger, stronger, and faster than the rest of the world and make more money than the rest of the world…. Smh
Wouldn't even matter if my boy J Herbo has a winning season. These goof balls will say it's cause of Harbaugh and if he takes Ls, they gonna blame J Herbo
We all watched Trever Lawrence giftwrap 4 INTs to the Chargers defense and the offense did absolutely nothing with them.... 4 INTs and you still lost. That's not just coaching.
Chargers went up 27-0, that is not only coaching but their lack of run game came back to bite them in a situation where you absolutely need it. Their supposed defensive coach couldn’t make an adjustment on either side especially defens e
Personally I wanna see Herbert use his talent more. What I mean is over the past two years he has had an incredibly robotic playstyle, he doesn’t take as many chances as he did as a rookie and sophomore. He doesn’t extend plays like he used to and overall he’s just not showcased his talent like he used to. I know he has generational talent because I’ve seen it before, I wanna see it again. I think it’s hurting him and his team. In terms of winning in the playoffs and all that I don’t consider the Chargers to be that good of a team this year anyway so I’m not really focusing on that personally. Harbaugh will need time to pull this team together
He does???? Do you people not understand or cannot grasp just how bad the Chargers defense/running game was over the last 3 years? He has the best record in the NFL when his defense holds teams under 27 points. His winrate % when they hold a team under 27 points is literally higher than Mahomes, the caveat is they also allowed 27 points or more per game at like 40% of games. Meanwhile, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar.. their teams only allow 27 points or more per game at 20-24% of the time.
@@Whoa_dummyhe did in the 2022 season when his WR 1 and 2 primarily were Deandre Carter and Josh Palmer. People forget Keenan and Mike Williams missed significant time that year and he led the team to the playoffs with a bottom 5 defense. Playoff game he sealed the game by halftime and STALEYS game plan to run the clock out in the 2nd half resulted in -3 rushing yards.
Justin Herbert is so special that he managed to win in arrowhead vs Pat and ANDY REID in 2022... with Bradon Staley as his coach and one of the worst defenses of the NFL... BRANDON STALEY!!! I mean come on the guy has cover so many flaws in this chargers team and still yet the organization was so disfunctional during the Brandon Staley era that Him being that good wasnt enough, THIS AREN´T EXCUSES ACHO, this are just valid arguments and the truth, people like Payton Manning who understand this aspects of football give wiser assesments of how good as a player is someone else.
@@anthoneykarimbey6156 he’s not better and he proved it how? Cj does almost nothing better than Herbert you have nothing that backs up this argument lil bro. Quit getting hurt
Herbert holds every passing record or is top 3 in nfl history for players in their first four years in the league.. what is Acho’s fascination with him? Sheesh talk about Tua and stop talking about the one that got away 😂
yea be greater than your greatest excuse except that your greatest excuse are multiple things that you can't control. Bad coaching, bad defense, no run game.
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm Peyton had really good teams and Tom was never on a bad team. They shouldn’t have even been brought up. They both played with multiple Hall of Fame players
No one even expected for him to be top 10 let alone top 5.. idk how people call him overrated when coming in the league even his coach thought he was aback up and only started because of the Tyrod Taylor incident. He
Justin will win their conference! Guarantee it! Jim H is not to be played with!!!!!! If anyone can tame Andy in this league its gonna be Jim H! Watch and see!!!!!!!!
The whole first minute is them saying Herbert needs to be the best and then proceeds to states all the great things he did since he came in the league… Like how is that not him being the best on his team???
Commentators ignore that winning takes a full team effort and not just a top 10 QB. Herbert does not have to win anything to be a top 10 QB. The team needs to win!!!
As much as I wanna agree with Dave because he’s right, Herbert’s been plagued with injuries and hasn’t been even statistically the same BUT…for every football fan it’s gonna take a playoff win MINIMUM for people to not look at Herbert as a choke artist.
I don’t recall ever seeing a QB expected to win games when he has an awful Defense, no running game, awful HC, and WRs who weren’t healthy. Justin Herbert is the only one. But these are called excuses for some reason. Yet they are facts.
“Herbert needs to help his team win” 😭😭 what more can he actually do? Most passing yards in the 1st 4 seasons, 2nd in passing TDs in first 4 seasons, 13 game winning drives etc. What more can you ask for your QB? How we aren’t discussing the Chargers rushing efficiency rankings, defensive rankings, etc. is mind boggling to me.
Hardly ever agree with Dave but he's being straight up. The chargers on paper have looked good for years now. Yet can never seem to keep it together. This year, the offense is gutted, with still the majority of injury prone players being everywhere else on the roster. Herbert is good on paper, and he can make great plays happen. But we have not seen him take over a game like we have with mahomes, Allen, or burrow.
These are weird takes! It’s like let’s omit facts to create opinions! Herbert had the worst HC and OC on that team. A team that doesn’t hold a candle to any of the QBs teams when they did their winning! But yet they don’t give Josh Allen that same energy. They have been SB favorites for the past 3 years prior smh!
I do not say this often but I actually agree 110% w/ what Acho just said: THERES NO MORE EXCUSES ‼️‼️‼️.. at some point you gotta find a way to elevate despite whatever flaws surround you or your team 🤷🏽♂️
The 30 passing TD’s I can get behind, but just a friendly reminder that the guy they all claim is better than him hasn’t had a single 30 passing TD season and we’re rolling into year five now.
Can you be greater than you greatest excuse? That’s an actually a great line from Acho. Here’s the thing: the guys that are greater than their greatest excuse are those transcendent guys we consider to be the greats. You can be good, you can be really good-but great means you overcome
@@williamallen7984 it’s actually terrible considering this is football. You can’t overcome bottom 10 coaching, bottom 10 defenses, bottom 10 running games and inconsistent health on the roster all happening simeltaneously lol. Who’s overcoming that?
@@williamallen7984 how is that on him? Last year was the first time in his career he ever missed a significant amount of time due to injury. Thats not inconsistent health lol
@@guiseppejacobs2357 he’s hurt every year. Last year was his broken finger, the year before that was the rib cartilage. That’s 50% of his seasons in the league…
“Win a playoff game” is one of the laziest takes out there when it comes to Justin Herbert. We know for sure they aren’t winning the division which means they will have to play a division winner in the wildcard round. Also assume they are one of the last teams in becuse the east and north have multiple teams in their division way better than the chargers. So you expect Herbert to beat either a Bills Dolphins ravens bengals or chiefs team in the first round of the playoffs with that roster? In what world??
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God acho is retarted the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
We can’t sit up here and act like we didn’t watch Brandon Staley literally LOSE multiple games that Justin Herbert won. Bad defensive play calling. Calling timeouts at the worst time. Going for it on 4th with the lead on the wrong side of the field. Justin Herbert has proven he can be good on a bad team. But you can’t drag bad coaching and bad defensive on offense. It just doesn’t happen.
Why do you think the Chargers gotten desperate and made sure they signed Jim Harbaugh🤷🏿
Defense spotted them a 27 point lead and lose because they couldn’t score one point in the 2nd half
@@RickymfPthey scored 3 and he single handedly ran them into field goal range and the kicker missed…
@@RickymfPor the defense gave up 27 in a half man
@@calebsarro9899 and if the offense did their job once they would have won…..defense spotting you a 4 score lead you lose and blame the defense, you are a loser
So be greater than Brandon Staley lol. Acho is a 🤡
And the defense and trash run game and mediocre o-line 😂
@@pacificbeatz5440 NTHN BUT EXCISES for Goldilocks from day one
I dont even think Manning or Brady win that Raiders game when the Chargers had STORM NORTON lined up across MAXX CROSBY lmao greater than that? Acho cmon
What’s wrong Acho? Did Herbert steal a girl from you? 😂😂😂😂
i mean herbert did choke a playoff game
@@mauriciocortez8640if u think that then you didn’t watch the game or you’re about as delusional as acho is
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
It's sad.
Herbert overrated😂
What’s the excuse for Tua scoring 7 points in a playoff game 😅
Cold weather 😅
I swear. They always try to say Tua better than Herbert. That's nonsense
He should have put on a light sweater 😂
@@lilgreg212look at the numbers
@@lilgreg212 no one says this, but they should
Acho is right, like it or not. If Herbert really wants to be great and win, he needs to play both sides of the ball. Defense, offense and special teams. If Shohei can do it, so can Justin Herbert. If Herbert doesn’t make this defense top 10 in the league next season while getting 40 TDs and 11 sacks, he's absolutely cooked.
If he also doesn’t baby sit his best players and make sure they don’t get injured then Herbert’s a bust.
And even Shohei still couldn't overcome that. He's never made the playoffs and is the greatest baseball player in generations.
lmaoooo
@@CKnox423 🤣
Nope, just facts about his playoff success. We do it to every qb worth no playoff success.. cry about it
4739 yds 25 tds 10 Int in 2022…5k yds 2021 -- yet dude says He hasn’t got close to 4000 in a few years??? And He wud have 21 4th Qtr comebacks if Defense didn’t lose lead in final 2 minutes after He drove for go ahead score ….The Herbert hate is ridiculous ⚡️🆙
They love to hate him but Josh Allen 21 tos makes him top 2qb in the nfl
@@terryharris8228 Because even with those turnovers he is still the second best QB in the NFL. He just can't get over Mahomes or a healthy Joe Burrow.
@@AilmanF2P that doesn’t makes sense if you leading the nfl In turnovers you the reason yall act like them man wasn’t surrounded by talent he just another dak in my opinion
@@terryharris8228 Allen is the second best QB in football even with the turnovers. Thats the issue, he also lead the NFL in touchdowns last season. If you compare the Bills talent to the Chargers they are basically the same team. There is not great talent around Josh, not coaching, not defense even with Diggs not his receiver room. Two things can be true, he leads the NFL in turnovers. He is without a doubt the second best QB in football outside of a fully healthy Joe Burrow. Favre won 3 MVPs in a row with the most turnovers in that 3 year span. The thing is if your great outweighs your bad.
Yall dont show pass attempts Herbert average 40 pass attempts duhhhhhh going throw 5k yards 40 pass attempts 😂😂😂😂😂 Jameis Winston threw 5k yards 32 td he bench because 30 int turnover ball Herbert overrated he getting offense he won 0 playoff them loosing on him Average 40 pass attempts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's literally been 1 year? lol. He was hurt last year. The year before he threw for 4700 yards
On me Dave don’t know his stats
These fools (except Dave) prove that there are no excuses for the players you hate but many for the ones you like
Burrow gets all the excuses
Thank you dawg!!!!
Herbert got alot of excuses
@@Johenz bottom 5 oline, def, and run game arent excuses...thats just a terrible team
@@joshlugo5629 on top of that he had brandon staley the last three years, it ain't even excuses
According to Acho:
Mahomes excuse: receivers dropping balls
Allen’s excuse: defense injured and depleted
Burrow’s excuse: O-line
Lamar’s excuse: depleted running back room
Herbert’s excuses: all of the above plus Brandon Staley
Let him have a couple years at minimum with harbaugh and this new roster and then we can really judge him
Nah Fr though, acho is slow asf. He just hates Herbert with a passion.
Herbert had a top 5 roster every year before this season
@@AlexRosner-v8t that is just not true
@@AlexRosner-v8t go look at how many games allen and Williams missed combined 😑😑
Chargers have had a bottem 5 oline every year since 2020, keenan allen and mike williams missed a combined 60% of games that herbert was in. Austin eckler never had a 1000 yard rushing season, while the defense has had prices they have been a bottom 10 d year after year. So why do you say they have had a top roster?
I didn't know Justin Herbert was supposed to overcome the 32nd ranked pass defense 🤣🤦 and every other narrative that Acho says other quarterbacks defeated, were not actual examples of excuses 🤣. He brought up a bunch of mainstream casual ESPN and cable TV story lines that real ballnowers do not talk about 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤦🤦 Acho still a massive clown in 2024
Exactly
Acho is a parasite. He feeds off the slander. More clicks, more $$ for him.
The problem is, Herbert has clearly been held back from this roster..
1. NEVER had even a below average run game, always a bottom 5 team in rushing
2. His playmakers were almost always banged up every yr
3. Terrible coaching/having to change their offense every single yr he’s been in the league
4. AT LEAST 3/4 yrs Chargers been bottom 5 in defense
5. Consistently has had a bottom 5 pass blocking OL
6. Chargers have never had speed at the WR position for JHerb (outside a random Jalen Guyton szn, he could never stretch out the defense and actually throw the ball downfield.
Idc who you are as a QB, other than maybeeee Mahomes, but you can deal with 2-3 of these maybe 4 and win, but you can’t deal with allllll of these consistently every yr and expect to be a winning football team.
A bunch of analysts and casual fans saying Herbert is overrated. But then you have one of the best QBs of all time in Peyton Manning saying Herbert is top 5. I’m going with one of the best all time and someone that knows Ball on this one. I love all the casuals crying about it. 😂
Ha manning saying that means what. Herbert has no playoff wins , no all pros. No mvps and no sb appearance or ring .
Yea petyon said the samething about Dak do u still feel this way !!
Excuses for Herbert all day ! When the last 2 years these same people said chargers was going to win there division and make in the playoffs it don't happen now it's the rosters fault 😂
@@johnnybeatmaker330 Top 5 talent, bottom 20 production. Talent and results are two different things. Don't try to make sense to TH-cam.
@@johnnybeatmaker330 Johnnybeatoff .. Why so bitter? Herbert is one of the best QB's in football. Get used to it.
The only thing he needs to improve is having a defense and a real head coach.
How about not blowing a 27-0 lead in the playoffs? This guy gets more passes than he actually throws
@@suryavedula8260you do realize he doesn’t play defense right?
@@baileynolen6711 You mean the defense that got him 5 turnovers during that game? Yeah I know he doesn’t do that
@suryavedula8260 you mean the defense that lost the game??
@@karlclintsman2950 So let me get this straight, when you have someone who many claim is a top 5 qb (I don’t even think he’s top 10) and his defense gives him 5 turnovers, he can’t be expected to win the game?? You don’t know how ridiculous that sounds
My god Acho is biased and completely illogical. So many holes in his excuses. Herbert is a top 3 qb in the nfl. His team has been bottom of the league. No, Mahomes, allen, Burrow, Lamar, none of these guys have had even close to what Herbert has had to deal with.
Lamar has no weapons
Acho dropping the wileyism " be greater than your greatest excuse
Then he starts talking about Mahomes overcoming his receivers drops while disregarding the role their defense played in overcoming that. Just really dumb that a former player holds individual player narratives higher than team football
Philip Rivers had a #1 Offense and Defense but missed the playoffs... chargers are just cursed
HOF RB in LT also….youre not wrong
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool Btw he only scored 17 points the final game of the season the defense carried him
Tbh they had lost alot of games early that made them out of playoff contention. They caught heat late that season
historically bad special teams though...
Facts
God were still on this non sense?? Herbert does what he does meanwhile bottom 5 in defense, bottom 5 in rushing and y’all still keep saying “we gotta see Justin Herbert win some games” FOH
They’re saying we get his excuses and they are all valid excuses but the great QBs overcome those deficiencies and still make their teams great
@@brandonwalker9383like who? Name me a QB who overcame a bottom 10 run game, bottom 5 defense and bottom 5 coaching? I would love to know
@@guiseppejacobs2357 Lamar has the opposite and still no playoffs success 😂 Lamar is the MVP with the best defense and rush game 😂
@@maqsudlatif3266 okay?
@@guiseppejacobs2357 Danny Jones won a playoff game with Saquon and some bags of chips 🤷
Acho named excuses for 4 different QBs and Herbert has had all those problems combined, Defense got hurt, Starting WRs hurt, players dropping passes, worst OLine 2 years and worse Def first 4 years, Kicker problems first 3 years until Dicker last year and one of the worst coaches to start with Staley and Lynn
Exactly lots of non ball knowers and just haters. Lot of brothas just hate Herbert to hate him.
I swear every Herbert Hater acts like mahomes or anyone else they think is better than Justin wouldve done much better with the chargers since 2020. Anthony Lynn, Brandon Staley, the defense, offensive line, mass injuries, and the lack of the running game will hold back anyone. He’s been this eras Matt Stafford but with Harbaugh coming in, Herbert will be undeniable and there will be nothing anyone can say bc he truly is a top 3 QB in the sport. Flaws and all
You’re making too much sense unfortunately
All facts. It’s idiotic
Yep
I agree completely
Anthony Lynn took the Chargers 12-4
j herbo 2nd best qb in the league
Man Justin Herbert got the arm talent... nice so called Selson blue hair due and all... but he's garbage can 🗑️💯
Lies
Which league?
If there was a draft today of all QB's ... I'd take Herbert. Now he has a coach .... he will be dominant.
Instead of arguing why Herbert is THAT good, let me ask the fans in the comments this: What supporting cast over the last 3-4 years is worse than Chargers?
Did your team's defense give up the most points in a 3 year span?
Is your coach worse than Brandon Staley?
Is your team's best receiver worse than Keenan Allen?
Is your run game in the bottom 10 every year?
Does your offensive line finish in the bottom 10 per PFF every year?
Does your team have a home field advantage?
For fans of other teams, ask yourselves if your team has any of these issues. Do you get mad about them and hope your team fixes them or do you think your QB should be able to win playoff games regardless of these issues?
I agree with all of this except the fact that Keenan Allen is a lot better than many teams WR1s. Dude was a top 10 WR last year
The 🐻⬇️
He had Keenan Allen and eckler please stop
Keenan Allen, austin ekler lead the league in touchdowns the year before he left, Mike williams, the tight end everett, they drafted a first round wide receiver last year Quentin Johnson and Josh Palmer is one of the best 3rd team receivers. Herbert had weapons but ppl criticized Trevor Lawrence 😂 Trevor has never had a bonafide wide receiver, Christian Kirk is a number 3 like he was in Arizona, Calvin Ridley was away from football almost 2yrs so washed, Zay jones was the fourth receiver option in Oakland, Evan Ingram was considered a bust before coming to Jax so just imagine what happens if Trevor can have those number 1 options like other quarterbacks, Pat Mahomes had Tyreke Hill, Travis Kelce, Joe Borrow has Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Josh Allen had Stefon Diggs And Gabe Davis, Tua has Tyreke Hill and Jaylen Waddle,
CJ Stroud had less around him than Herbert ever did and still accomplished more than him in one season. Get out of here with the excuses
Great qbs cover up roster issues. Well you are asking him to cover terrible coaching, bad defense, except last year poor soecial teams, poor running game. His defense has ranked 30th since he started in the league.
What does coaching have to do with Herbert scoring zero points the second half ?
@@AlexRosner-v8t do you not know who lombardi is??? not the famous one but the wannabe one
So far, Herbert has brought more to his team, then the team itself.
Herbert needs to stay healthy period. They spent alot of draft capital on the oline, they need to protect him and he needs to earn his top 5 money.
Harbaugh will keep him healthy.
He’s missed 4 games his entire career lol 😂 did we forget who was coaching the chargers last year ? A defensive head coach that had the worst defense?
Stop making excuses for Herbert. I keep hearing critics and even greats that keep saying Herbert is better than lamar and he's a top 5 qb. Herbert hasn't even won a playoff game yet and to hear him being in the top 5 list of qbs and hearing people say he's better than a 2 time league mvp in lamar is insane
You watched the one game Herbert didn't play last year? Other team dropped 60+ on them. Look at the time of possession. Chargers are irrelevant without Herbert.
It's based on If you put Herbert on The Ravens they'd be better and not rely so much on their run game and defense..who carried Lamar to a media MVP award😅
Lamar needs to win a playoff game
@@HockeyDudeJames2Herbert not even close chargers had the best roster 2 out his 4 years and can’t win a big game how can he better on the Ravens 😂😂😂 casual statement Herbert might not be a top 10 . U telling me with less stout receiving core Herbert would be better and he’s has great skill players , he just another overrated white dude @ QB . He’s not the first nor will he be the last
Herbert has had bottom tier run games AND bottom tier defenses. Mahomes would not win with that. So go back to sniffing glue.
How are yall expecting him to win a playoff game in a rebuild year with new coach. Hold that expectation for next year. Not this year.
Because he got paid kiddo it’s called expectations 😂
@@jairobautista6014 harbaugh got paid too lol they aren’t expecting him to win a Super Bowl year 1. If you understand football you understand is a process. You are delusional if you think chargers have a playoff team. So kiddo go learn some football
@@jairobautista6014afc is stacked they aren’t a top 7 team and we’re the worst in their division last yr
😂😂 well DONT LABEL HIM TOP 10 QB! Uck outta here!
@@Bankroll98 we don’t, professionals do. See Payton labeled him top 5. I can trust Payton I think he has some credibility. I mean he has done some with his life. Now you on the other side lol. Enough said. lol
Obviously you guys don’t watch games. Lost to lions last year. Chargers scored a TD in every 2nd half possession and 5 straight in the game and THEY LOST. Because the defense is that bad
Every excuse is made for Herbert and Lawrence...
It's the long hair...
Because they aren’t the ones at fault lol this isn’t complicated
Oh you better know that
By who?? You Lamar Jackson fans are.the worst lmao. James Jones literally started the segment off saying that Herbert needs to win in the playoffs, no excuses were made. You didnt even watch the video I'm sure.
I’m like both players but I’m a realist cause he white which is a so called privilege
This a prove year for Herbert. He hasn’t won a playoff game and people say he’s “top 5”
makes no sense
Peyton manning says he’s top 3
hmm lemme see who’s opinion matters:
Peyton manning (HoFer) vs YT user nickwilson6393 🤔
@@SoCalSlime can you explain why PM is including Herbert in a top 5 QB list?
@@bo0gi3Right
Im with Dave. Chargers got rid of a lot of players this offseason
This is why their Lamar Jackson argument last segment was trash 🗑️ they literally treated Lamar like Justin Herbert and that’s BS!!!!!💯
Lamar has 2 MVPs and 2 playoffs wins. Wouldn't it be fair to criticise Lamar's performance in the playoffs? Herbert ain't got no MVPs.
Those QBs not winning anything with Staley as HC and a defense that giving up points like nothing
Fr though, half the time it seemed staley was self sabotaging..
The church music 😂😂😂
I'm crying at acho dancing while James getting his take off
Welcome back Herbert to Speak!!! Acho missed ya!
James preached on this one
Oh Noo baby. Golden boy has Nothing to improve. He is perfect. He can choke a 27 point lead in the playoffs and he still will be protected and be ranked top 7 cuz he got a good hair and seems humble. Man will fail to make a playoff again this year and going to next season they gone measure him by his potential
They really be like the 'ooooh he's sooo tall and dreamy...' lmao
@@legitdragon6202it remind them of them ole school QBs 😂 before Mahommes and Lamar came to the leage and added athleticism speed to the game which most of the ones that look like him can’t do.
He could’ve played better, but they ran for - 3 yards in that second half. Like no help😂
Facts.
Exactly! Idk what the obsession is with Herbert
Notice how acho doesn’t keep the same energy for tua
Everyone here in the comments knows more than Payton Manning keep talking idiots. Herb is a top 5 QB (toughness, talent, clutch). End of story.
nah fr, nothing but casuals in the comments
Peyton manning is an ex-player not a renowned evaluator
He has his opinions like anyone else does not make his better.
People respond to what they see.
God acho is clueless the eagles literally had 2 thousand yard tight ends in goeddart and zack ertz and 3800 of his yards went to miles sanders goeddart and zack ertz so what is his point regarding 4000 yards what a fool
Brady didn't have herbert in his top 5 if you want to do this lol
@@onojaefeogaga1387 Fair, my opinion is Herb is a top 3 QB, I watch a lot of ball. His IQ and skill and clutch factor in his 4 years is extremely impressive.
Football is not a one man sport so it’s funny how you all can talk smack about him but yet don’t see the legitimate excuses. He’s the one that’s been carrying the team
I mean just look at how they looked with stick last year 😑😑 imagine the chargers without Herbert the last years.. I would’ve stopped watching Fr fr. Herbert has saved the chargers in many ways.
Finally we speaking the truth about Herbert James is right enough of the excuses Herbert has to backup all that talent in the playoffs
With what receiver ? lol
@@mattvandyke2778 when he had Allen and Williams and Austin he didn’t do nun
@@mattvandyke2778he had the better WRs by far between him & Tua their rookie year. & Tua didn’t get any excuses for what he didn’t have around him
James is a delusions Aaron Rodgers simp, he has no clue what he is talking about.
Herbert has scored the most points of any player in there first 4 yrs in the HISTORY the of NFL... but hes the problem
4:50 You know whats hilarious about this rant? Every greatest excuse he’s listing is extremely accurate for the Chargers lol
I agree with James Jones he has to win a playoff games!
Great QBs cover up poor rosters but how many of them cover up poor coaching and still win? Someone please tell me. People forget that Herbert has been keeping the Chargers relevant despite two of the worst HCs in modern history.
“He just gotta win a playoff game” but Lamar who a couple months older GOTTA win a playoff game 😂
Because we expect more from the MVP when the MVP has the best defense and rush game in the NFL.
@@maqsudlatif3266 man gtfoh Lamar has never had a Kennan Allen or Mike Williams
@@johnravens9869 Andrews, OBJ, Desean Jackson, Dez Bryant, Hollywood Brown, Willie Sneed, Likely, Patrick Richard, Mark Ingram, Nelson Agholor, Bateman, Flowers.
@@johnravens9869 and herberts never had a top end run game, oline, defense..............
@@maqsudlatif3266 man most of them guys was washed he never had a true number 1 like I said Andrews the only one pro bowler
Him and Trevor Lawrence get the same "tall, strong, white boy with nice hair" excuse until the end of time.
Trevor won a playoff game though. And wasn't terrible against KC in the divisional round.
Oh dear, trust a middle age middle class white person to bring colour into the conversation...yawn
Drop dead gorgeous, tough and smart 😅
Football is the ultimate team sport buddy. He wasn't lucky enough to get drafted to a team with Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce.
@@eslakerfan doesn't make them immune to criticism. No one else first round pick or otherwise gets 4 years to just show this little progress.
Did this dude really just compare Herbert’s team to the Bills, Chiefs, Ravens and Bengals? Does this guy watch football or just speak on it? Herbert has been surrounded by JV players aside from Keenan and Ekeler.
Nothing... Hes got Harbauhh they both going to perfectly go 6-11 again😂
I hate when they call grown men, playing a PROFESSIONAL game, kids. These men are not kids… they are bigger, stronger, and faster than the rest of the world and make more money than the rest of the world…. Smh
If he wins a playoff game there hust going to move the gola post , 😂 and say he needs win a ring 😂
Wouldn't even matter if my boy J Herbo has a winning season. These goof balls will say it's cause of Harbaugh and if he takes Ls, they gonna blame J Herbo
Here we go the acho hating on Herbert begin.😅
Herbert deserves it 🤣
Hasn’t even won a playoff game either lmao get outta here it ain’t even hate at this point
@@sinizter7821 it is hate because Acho never talks like this about Tua and he’s never won a playoff game either.
@@Cbreezy74 exactly bro ! People with no brain just like to run their keyboard hero mouth.
Herbert ain’t that good fam
Herbert deals with literally every excuse acho said 🤣
We all watched Trever Lawrence giftwrap 4 INTs to the Chargers defense and the offense did absolutely nothing with them.... 4 INTs and you still lost. That's not just coaching.
We all watched the running backs for the chargers gain -3 yards in the 2nd half and a kicker miss a chip shot field goal as well
@@TheYoungKidC yeah, the entire offense was terrible. 4 ints....
Chargers went up 27-0, that is not only coaching but their lack of run game came back to bite them in a situation where you absolutely need it. Their supposed defensive coach couldn’t make an adjustment on either side especially defens e
What idea the run game have to do with Herbert throwing ? What did Herbert do throwing the ball in the second half ?
@@AlexRosner-v8t ur supposed to chew clock when you have a big lead bud…..are you new to football?
Acho with the church music 😂😂
Personally I wanna see Herbert use his talent more. What I mean is over the past two years he has had an incredibly robotic playstyle, he doesn’t take as many chances as he did as a rookie and sophomore. He doesn’t extend plays like he used to and overall he’s just not showcased his talent like he used to. I know he has generational talent because I’ve seen it before, I wanna see it again. I think it’s hurting him and his team. In terms of winning in the playoffs and all that I don’t consider the Chargers to be that good of a team this year anyway so I’m not really focusing on that personally. Harbaugh will need time to pull this team together
He does???? Do you people not understand or cannot grasp just how bad the Chargers defense/running game was over the last 3 years? He has the best record in the NFL when his defense holds teams under 27 points. His winrate % when they hold a team under 27 points is literally higher than Mahomes, the caveat is they also allowed 27 points or more per game at like 40% of games. Meanwhile, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar.. their teams only allow 27 points or more per game at 20-24% of the time.
Can we get rid of acho permanently
Acho whats your excuse for 33 tackles in two years?
They got rid of his weapons
If he top 5 like people say he is than he can elevate some of them
@@Whoa_dummyexactly, because I've seen average players before and after great qb's they never look the same. That qb can make wr's look great
@@Whoa_dummyhe did in the 2022 season when his WR 1 and 2 primarily were Deandre Carter and Josh Palmer. People forget Keenan and Mike Williams missed significant time that year and he led the team to the playoffs with a bottom 5 defense. Playoff game he sealed the game by halftime and STALEYS game plan to run the clock out in the 2nd half resulted in -3 rushing yards.
@@noaharmendariz good then it should be no excuses. He needs to win a playoff game
When he did have weapons, all he did was not score in the 2nd half of a playoff game up 27+ points
Justin Herbert is so special that he managed to win in arrowhead vs Pat and ANDY REID in 2022... with Bradon Staley as his coach and one of the worst defenses of the NFL... BRANDON STALEY!!! I mean come on the guy has cover so many flaws in this chargers team and still yet the organization was so disfunctional during the Brandon Staley era that Him being that good wasnt enough, THIS AREN´T EXCUSES ACHO, this are just valid arguments and the truth, people like Payton Manning who understand this aspects of football give wiser assesments of how good as a player is someone else.
Herbert been Overrated 😂😂😂
@@guiseppejacobs2357fr
The greatest sin of every QB who isn’t Mahomes is NOT BEING MAHOMES😂
Cj Stroud won a playoff game with a worse team in a rebuild year in the AFC…. Dave shut up
Fax
But CJ is like that
Was Brandon Staley the head coach of that team?
@@anthoneykarimbey6156 saying the team was worse is objectively false lmao
@@anthoneykarimbey6156 he’s not better and he proved it how? Cj does almost nothing better than Herbert you have nothing that backs up this argument lil bro. Quit getting hurt
Herbert holds every passing record or is top 3 in nfl history for players in their first four years in the league.. what is Acho’s fascination with him? Sheesh talk about Tua and stop talking about the one that got away 😂
I've been calling him social media QB. This guy will be year 12 no playoff wins choke games
But people love this man
Sound as dumb as acho 😂
The chargers organization finally woke up and signed a real coach, lets see what happens
So how are all black QB got to prove their pay but Justin Herbert get all excuses
It's disgusting 🤮
Justin only has to win a playoff game 🤷🏿♂️
Maybe because Herbert is a more talented QB than them ever think of that?
@@redhood9292but wins justify your paycheck as a Qb in the nfl 🤡
Justin must make the playoffs at least!
yea be greater than your greatest excuse except that your greatest excuse are multiple things that you can't control. Bad coaching, bad defense, no run game.
Bottom 3 defense and running game since he’s been in the league no one else has had to deal with that
Acho always speed running through his words like someone flipped over a sand timer and said GO!
Great quarterbacks do not cover up bad rosters. Look at Drew Brees
Peyton, TB12 and Donovan McNabb did
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm Peyton had really good teams and Tom was never on a bad team. They shouldn’t have even been brought up. They both played with multiple Hall of Fame players
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm when?
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm dude tb12 never won without a good def, the guy won many playoff game and chips do to his kicker.....
Desean Jackson knows ball. Respect to him.
"Couple of years"... he has only be in the league a couple of years... he is very good on a poorly run franchise.
No one even expected for him to be top 10 let alone top 5.. idk how people call him overrated when coming in the league even his coach thought he was aback up and only started because of the Tyrod Taylor incident. He
3:29 in a couple years? This is his FIFTH year and he was injured last year. Who are the idiots?!
Yeah that guy has no clue what he’s talking about. Just wants to hate. Probably a chiefs fan
Justin will win their conference! Guarantee it! Jim H is not to be played with!!!!!! If anyone can tame Andy in this league its gonna be Jim H! Watch and see!!!!!!!!
The whole first minute is them saying Herbert needs to be the best and then proceeds to states all the great things he did since he came in the league… Like how is that not him being the best on his team???
When that church music came on I thought my phone was lagging 💀💀
Commentators ignore that winning takes a full team effort and not just a top 10 QB. Herbert does not have to win anything to be a top 10 QB. The team needs to win!!!
I mean you guys can’t expect him to make the playoffs much less win with a bottom 10 roster in football
As much as I wanna agree with Dave because he’s right, Herbert’s been plagued with injuries and hasn’t been even statistically the same BUT…for every football fan it’s gonna take a playoff win MINIMUM for people to not look at Herbert as a choke artist.
I like Herby and the Chargers but Dave is stuttering and stumbling trying to make excuses for him 😂
I don’t recall ever seeing a QB expected to win games when he has an awful Defense, no running game, awful HC, and WRs who weren’t healthy. Justin Herbert is the only one. But these are called excuses for some reason. Yet they are facts.
All of the Herbert haters have gathered for this moment 😂.
Herbert needs to be the leader n show he can be a leader n build round him. This is his make or break year
Herbert, one of the most quiet QBs in the active NFL, is labeled "a social media QB". Right.
“Herbert needs to help his team win” 😭😭 what more can he actually do? Most passing yards in the 1st 4 seasons, 2nd in passing TDs in first 4 seasons, 13 game winning drives etc. What more can you ask for your QB? How we aren’t discussing the Chargers rushing efficiency rankings, defensive rankings, etc. is mind boggling to me.
Normally Dave is sharp but he was off here. 4000 ina couple years? He threw 4K in 2022 when he was healthy
Hardly ever agree with Dave but he's being straight up. The chargers on paper have looked good for years now. Yet can never seem to keep it together. This year, the offense is gutted, with still the majority of injury prone players being everywhere else on the roster. Herbert is good on paper, and he can make great plays happen. But we have not seen him take over a game like we have with mahomes, Allen, or burrow.
These are weird takes! It’s like let’s omit facts to create opinions!
Herbert had the worst HC and OC on that team. A team that doesn’t hold a candle to any of the QBs teams when they did their winning!
But yet they don’t give Josh Allen that same energy. They have been SB favorites for the past 3 years prior smh!
I do not say this often but I actually agree 110% w/ what Acho just said: THERES NO MORE EXCUSES ‼️‼️‼️.. at some point you gotta find a way to elevate despite whatever flaws surround you or your team 🤷🏽♂️
acho keeps using all around good teams to compare against herbert lmaoooo
The 30 passing TD’s I can get behind, but just a friendly reminder that the guy they all claim is better than him hasn’t had a single 30 passing TD season and we’re rolling into year five now.
He has a lot to prove since he’s ranked top 6 by the media with no accomplishments. Can’t make the playoffs consistently with excuses every year smh.
Acho seem like the type of guy to practice his lines by looking at himself in the mirror
Can you be greater than you greatest excuse? That’s an actually a great line from Acho.
Here’s the thing: the guys that are greater than their greatest excuse are those transcendent guys we consider to be the greats. You can be good, you can be really good-but great means you overcome
@@williamallen7984 it’s actually terrible considering this is football. You can’t overcome bottom 10 coaching, bottom 10 defenses, bottom 10 running games and inconsistent health on the roster all happening simeltaneously lol. Who’s overcoming that?
@@guiseppejacobs2357 in Herbert’s case, inconsistent health is also on him. He’ll get his chance to prove it soon enough.
@@williamallen7984 how is that on him? Last year was the first time in his career he ever missed a significant amount of time due to injury. Thats not inconsistent health lol
@@guiseppejacobs2357 he’s hurt every year. Last year was his broken finger, the year before that was the rib cartilage. That’s 50% of his seasons in the league…
@@williamallen7984 buddy he didn’t miss any games in 2022 with the ribs…..it affected him for like 2 weeks. Ur proving my point 😭
Herbert has gotta be one the most humble qbs. Doesn’t even run or post on social media much😂 replace acho
My brother playing gospel music while James Jones's preaching
Put Herbert on the bengals chiefs or ravens they would win the Super Bowl put Patrick on the chargers and he don’t make the playoffs
Nah
@@soonerjmanyep
“Win a playoff game” is one of the laziest takes out there when it comes to Justin Herbert. We know for sure they aren’t winning the division which means they will have to play a division winner in the wildcard round. Also assume they are one of the last teams in becuse the east and north have multiple teams in their division way better than the chargers. So you expect Herbert to beat either a Bills Dolphins ravens bengals or chiefs team in the first round of the playoffs with that roster? In what world??
Herbert scored zero points in the second half in playoffs stop