I just got my Topwater 120 PDL and have only spent time on a lake doing stability tests and self recovery drills. Your review is spot on. Cant wait to get it out in ling cod waters. This is a great video and very accurate. Thanks for sharing.
@@Detroit3Pistons I love my Top Water. A very stable platform even in the rough water of the north Cali coast. It gets me and my gear to the fish and crab spots.
@@dustinwillis3261 I think it was well worth it to me. Stability was one of my first concerns. There is the on going debate of prop drive VS fin drive. That will depend on where you will be going with it.
Good video review. I have the Topwater PDL and I love it. To watch you trying to tip it over and the trouble you had only reinforced my confidence in my boat. Last week, I was fishing the St.Lawrence River in Montreal, Canada, where I’m from and encountered a decent sized Yacht that crossed in front of me. The wake was big enough that, in my mind, “That’s it, I’m screwed, get ready you’re going under, this sucker is tipping over” Lucky all of my equipment was tethered. Well, glad to say my kayak handled it like a charm. Anyone interested in this model, I say go for it, you won’t regret it. Nice job, keep em’ coming!
I just got mine, even though they shipped me the wrong color, im still happy with the kayak. Stability is great on this thing. 2 trips and the pedal drive is getting smoother. The gear tracks it came with has enough room for my hummingbird 7" helix mega si g3, transducer arm mount, rod holders and still room for more. Did i mention stability?
MooMoo Outdoors I am using a Lowrance Elite 5. I mounted my transducer to the transducer mount under the boat and ran my wires through the port that goes to the mount. I drilled into the boat for my wires and run my battery in the front hatch.
MooMoo Outdoors is there a way you can maybe reverse the bracket and screw from the other side so the bracket isn’t pushing the transducer so far down? Idk Id have to see to modify. I’m lucky and have a brother who is a machinist so I get stuff done for me when I’m in a jam.
Love this review and really like that it takes an awful lotto tip this kayak over. You get buoyancy at the cost of speed which is not a bad trade-off for a heavier operator. That's a fair trade-off. Thanks for the review, Moo. Enjoyed a full watch. 👍
Thanks. Everyone's need is different. Best way to find a perfect kayak is to try them but a lot of people don't have a dealer near by so I like to be some what helpful for those
@@MooMooOutdoors Ya we can always try and do that. Think we had different days off last time we talked about doing mackinaw fishing. But I can always fish evenings on works days somewhere in the Sac area.
I think I'll stay w/ my Hobie Outback. Hey man, hope you're hitting Rockaway this weekend. Looks calm. I'm working and won't be there. Still waiting for some sand wheels in the mail. See you OTW one day Moo...
Lol. Very good “Must Watch Before Buying” in bold orange letters over the thumbnail of you flipping in the Yak. That’s how you get folks to click. Seriously though, as a fisherman who is considering switching from an older Outback to either a Predator, Topwater or new Outback, is like to see a stability test with it loaded up for fishing. I.e. Accessories mounted on the gunnels, tackle, rods and other typical gear.
FYI: I've used my Tarpon 100 for 10 years (wind, waves etc) and only fallen off once. And only after leaning stupidly far to one side (while trying to untangle my vertical fishing rods behind my seat).
This question is impossible to answer in a meaningful way, because there are too many variables. It’s a pretty safe bet that sooner or later, we’ll all roll out, so plan on it. That means wear a PFD and dress for exposure .
It's not if you fall off, it's when 😂😂. Like SuperBardley said too much variables. If you like to play in rough water you'll fall off more than a person who only calmer water. Falling off is not that big of an issue if you are prepared for the drink 😉.
Great review I think old town has a great pedal yak there’s one thing I don’t like about it the bulky box that lifts up with drive it’s just to big would be in your way in the shallows great video 👍👍👍
Peddle movement is jerky. If you look at your ocean peddling video , your peddling motion is very smooth. Users who say it gets smoother after a couple days are probably just used to the jerky peddling motion by then.
Glad you found it. The top speed is gonna be pretty much the same for no matter what because of the hull speed. But average speed might be different on the person. I believe I represent an average Joe but if you are a avid cyclist or a runner you might get better average speed.
I haven't tried it but I typically don't like mounting a Lake Troller directly to the gear track. I think either right behind the rudder steer nob or between 2 rod holders on the left might be a good place for it.
Not all prop and fins are made equal or can't say which is faster since I haven't tested every prop and fins. However, from what I hear, Hobie Mirage drive is still the most efficient. Boat speed really depends on the hull design of the kayak but Mirage drive takes less effort to travel same speed than prop drives is what I hear.
@@MooMooOutdoors i see, i kinda figured with hull design as far as speed, my ascend 128t weighs 96lbs but is faster than my tamarack 100 which weighs only 52lbs. Maybe one of these days ill get a peddle drive. But for now i have plans for a trolling motor for the ascend, already have a motor...
Trolling motor is becoming very popular amongst bass anglers. My best advise to you, when you are ready for a pedal kayak, is try as many as you can before purchase.
You can use your rudder and paddle one side to your advantage what i mean is set your rudder on your weak side and paddle your strong side and it should be easier and less energy used
Out back is more stable than the Revo 13 in flat conditions because Outback has better primary stability. Revo 13 shines in rough water when you get used to the secondary stability.
@@MooMooOutdoors well.. that first mile is in MB or the channel.. that said, I could make it paddling my ancient Fish n Dive (gen 1, ooh), in about an hour and a half if I busted my balls.. lol.. an ancient, fat, heavy kayak without a rudder available, almost impossible to flip, tracked horrible, but could take three foot waves sideways no problem,maybe four foot waves..
@roastmypig HAHAHA.. I've been going out on the ocean for a hell of a long time, been rammed by hammerheads, seen makos breach on Jack Mackerel.. even a couple very intimidating encounters with whales.. all just part of the kayak experience.. yeah, bad things can happen, they can happen in traffic on the way to work too (more common by far). Those people party hard, and still haven't learned from their forebears. they will keep 'learning', possibly until none are left..
I am selling my Vibe and getting this. The Vibe flips if I look sideways. Spend all my time worrying about going over again. Forget standing or reaching.
@@MooMooOutdoors Ordered the Old Town Sportsman 120 PDL yesterday. Disappointed only in that they don't have any true camo colors available, but I'm OK with the "Ember Camo". Now for the long wait!
@@MooMooOutdoors They told me that some people, depending upon the timing of their orders, got their boats within three weeks. Others took up to two months. Very little difference between the Topwater and the Sportsman. I was told an improvement was made in the seat on the Sportsman and the rear handle is positioned differently. I sure wish I could have gotten a more "earth tone" boat color, but it is what it is. I watched a ton of TH-cam videos on different boats before I ordered because you can't "see" or "try out" kayaks anywhere in my area. Your review was by far the best!
When you were doing all those circles, I was thinking that people on shore were probably wondering if you had been drinking haha. The stability is really nice, the effort needed to get it up to speed maybe not so much. Do you find that the kayaks with higher seats more comfortable or about the same as the sit-in kayaks?
Higher seats are definitely more comfortable than lower seat but then you are more top heavy. With the sit in side, you are sitting at the water level or below water level so the kayak can be narrow (faster) but stable. With the higher seat, you need more width to compensate the top heaviness. Since I like my kayaks fast in general, my kayaks have lower seat height.
@@MooMooOutdoors Yeah, that makes sense. You have a lot of distance to travel in saltwater, so I could see why you'd choose speed over comfort in most of your fishing trips! Thanks!
Given that trolling for kokanee is about 1.2 to 1.5 mph and trout somewhat faster, trolling for a long time should not be a problem. I have a Pro Angler 14 and both yours and mine are pigs; but pigs have their purpose. Want speed and distance instead to trolling, look for something slimmer. Good show on the dunking, although I am not about to walk around mine - I would go swimming without having to flip it! Good video!
I know this is a 3 year old video, but just found it. I'm trying to decide now on prop vs fin drive. I haven't gotten out to try any yet, and my gut feeling is that I will like the back and forth motion of the fin drive rather than the bicycle pedal prop drive. Do you have a thought on that? Did you ever do a side by side comparison with the Pro Angler? Thanks!
Biggest difference is weedless vs instant reverse. Efficiency wise, (quality) prop drives and fin drives are pretty much equal. It's the hull shape that make a kayak slower/faster. Some people like bicycle motion and others like fin drive motion. I think it personal preference.
I have a question. Do you take out the plugs in the bottom....I think it is called scuffer plug? I know I should know more about my kayak, but only been out once and have no one to advice me... Thank you in advanced...Cheers Jeff
I don't use scupper plug because most of the fishing I do, I get some water on deck so I want the water to drain out quick. It's all personal preference and the body of water you are fishing. I hope this help and feel free to ask any questions.
I heard that too, especially for 10.5. No I haven't had much water on deck but, I'm small and pretty light dude. The water on deck doesn't really bother me much because most of the fishing I do, I get water on deck due to surf, wind waves and swells.
just saw this. did you do a comparison between OT vs Hobie outback? I am leaning toward the OT because of the price but I like the outback I can't find a place to test either kayak. Which kayak would you choose? I live in Sacramento.
It's hard to say because there are so many different factors (height, weight, type of water...) and personal preference. What I can say is there are both great kayak. The biggest differences is prop drive (instant reverse) vs mirage drive (weedless) and stability vs efficiency. What would I choose between these two? Neither. I personally like more efficient kayaks. When I had the OT Topwater 120 PDL, I had to force myself to take it out for fishing. I like fishing out of Revo 13 much more.
I'm actually considering this model it's so far the best in price and stability I'm 210lbs 6 feet , but wanted to know will this model be good in brackish waters Chesapeake bay area? with wake from boats and other elements or would I need to get the salty model kayak? I don't need speed but definitely need stability it's gonna be my first kayak ever! and 2nd time I'll be on one if I get it. 1st time I flipped lol hence the stability factor😅
I heard other people say water comes in through around the drive but I didn't noticed it. However, in most of the launches I do, I'm already wet and I most play in rough water where the water comes in over the deck so it's not an issue for me. I personally think that part of kayaking is getting wet 😉.
@@MooMooOutdoors oh wow now I have to look for something different but I was ready to purchase this old town tonight 😭 it's beautifu,l love the color especially.
Nice video Moo. I can only get my Big Fish 108 to about 3.22 MPH with my fat A$$ in the seat. I can get it to six plus on a sprint then the prop cavitates and you drop speed.
Biggest reason is the pedal drive can fail. When you are miles from the launch and when you have to paddle a long distance especially against the wind. My second biggest reason is for surf launch and surf landing. You need to get up to speed quick in the surf especially when you are landing. You really need get up to the speed to chase the wave. There are many more situations when you need to paddle instead of pedal.
Just in case you didn’t know that drive floats yup it floats you can take that drive out drop it in the water and it will just float go ahead try it I’ve done it I guarantee it will float.
Here is a trick for loading your heavy kayak onto your car rack, with your tie down strap. Just this out th-cam.com/video/gC6F_JmzseU/w-d-xo.html. This replace your bathroom mat.
This is a good way too. I've done this a few times. However, not all roof racks have bars sticking out and I personally find bathroom mat slides easier.
@@MooMooOutdoors i just want to say thanks for giving tip/advice on crab fishing. I just started so your videos are very helpful. Im heading out next week to set my traps. I hope to run into you one day in the Bay Area.
I don't know what others think or said about this kayak. I'm just sharing my honest thought about this kayak without any persuasion from other people or Old Town.
So, you want a 4 minute review? There wouldn't be much time to expound on the pros and cons. Possibly you should just fast forward to the last couple of minutes?
OMG I have a top water 120 34 inches wide and I would literally have to be standing on my head 2 legs and an arm overboard to have it flip....oh shyt snap I'm 6ft 250 bodybuilder.........worst review ever ......... Lol but a house boat to fish from!!!!! Worst review I've ever watched.
I just got my Topwater 120 PDL and have only spent time on a lake doing stability tests and self recovery drills. Your review is spot on. Cant wait to get it out in ling cod waters. This is a great video and very accurate. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much. I hope you slay them on Topwater 120 PDL.
How do you like your Topwater?
@@Detroit3Pistons I love my Top Water. A very stable platform even in the rough water of the north
Cali coast. It gets me and my gear to the fish and crab spots.
@@kencar8961 that’s awesome . So it is well worth the money ?
@@dustinwillis3261 I think it was well worth it to me. Stability was one of my first concerns. There is the on going debate of prop drive VS fin drive. That will depend on where you will be going with it.
Good video review. I have the Topwater PDL and I love it. To watch you trying to tip it over and the trouble you had only reinforced my confidence in my boat. Last week, I was fishing the St.Lawrence River in Montreal, Canada, where I’m from and encountered a decent sized Yacht that crossed in front of me. The wake was big enough that, in my mind, “That’s it, I’m screwed, get ready you’re going under, this sucker is tipping over” Lucky all of my equipment was tethered. Well, glad to say my kayak handled it like a charm. Anyone interested in this model, I say go for it, you won’t regret it. Nice job, keep em’ coming!
Thanks. Glad you didn't have to go for a swim 😁
I just got mine, even though they shipped me the wrong color, im still happy with the kayak. Stability is great on this thing. 2 trips and the pedal drive is getting smoother. The gear tracks it came with has enough room for my hummingbird 7" helix mega si g3, transducer arm mount, rod holders and still room for more. Did i mention stability?
If you are looking for stability, this is a boat to consider for sure.
Great review. That boat would look real good pulling the big snook away from the pilings with instant reverse where I fish.
Yup. No more getting pulled into the pilings.
Hey Moo, thanks for your review. You have an honest way about you so your review means a lot. Keep em coming!
Thank you very much 😀😀
Awesome water review, MooMoo. If I didn't get my outback, I would definitely buy this.
Outback cost more but it's definitely worth the price.
Stiff or not that Yak was "MooMoo"ving!😂 Sooo stable incredible! Excellent Review Old Town is gonna love you having that YAK!👍's up👏👏👏
Thanks Pete 😀. MooMoo'ving 😂😂 I love it.
Great review Moo. I love my Old Town 120...can’t wait to see you rigged up and fishing in it. Yes deff do a Titan or Dorado vs Top water review!!!
Thank. I'm having a hard time mounting a tranducer. What FF do you use.
MooMoo Outdoors I am using a Lowrance Elite 5. I mounted my transducer to the transducer mount under the boat and ran my wires through the port that goes to the mount. I drilled into the boat for my wires and run my battery in the front hatch.
I use garmin striker and I can't get the transducer the sit flush with the boat. I'm gonna have to do a through the hull route.
MooMoo Outdoors is there a way you can maybe reverse the bracket and screw from the other side so the bracket isn’t pushing the transducer so far down? Idk Id have to see to modify. I’m lucky and have a brother who is a machinist so I get stuff done for me when I’m in a jam.
Love this review and really like that it takes an awful lotto tip this kayak over. You get buoyancy at the cost of speed which is not a bad trade-off for a heavier operator. That's a fair trade-off. Thanks for the review, Moo. Enjoyed a full watch. 👍
Thanks. Everyone's need is different. Best way to find a perfect kayak is to try them but a lot of people don't have a dealer near by so I like to be some what helpful for those
looks really nice
i really like how stable it is
It's got stupid stability but if you want speed and efficiency, look elsewhere 😉
Nicely done review, good format, very informative. Much better than most of the "reviews" that are really just a sales pitch.
Thank you for saying this. This was definitely not a sales pitch and I did my best to be unbiased.
Thanks for the review MooMoo. I appreciate it.
Thanks
Nice review. Could probably take out my coosa FD for a side by side review. Sure you could find a 2019 outback and a native as well.
Thanks Michael. Maybe we can fish one day and try each other's boat.
@@MooMooOutdoors Ya we can always try and do that. Think we had different days off last time we talked about doing mackinaw fishing. But I can always fish evenings on works days somewhere in the Sac area.
Great honest review Moo, looked like you were having fun trying to flip it 🤪
Stability was stupid 😂😂
I think I'll stay w/ my Hobie Outback. Hey man, hope you're hitting Rockaway this weekend. Looks calm. I'm working and won't be there. Still waiting for some sand wheels in the mail. See you OTW one day Moo...
I might be out there on Friday and it looks good so far. See you out there soon.
Nice review man. That kayak sure took a lot of effort to flip and the flip back looks so easy. Good job man
Thanks Alex. Grabbing on to the pedal drive unit makes it easier.
This is the best honest thorough feedback man! Thank you so much for this great video. I'm looking into purchasing my next kayak and this helps a lot!
Glad to be a help. Tight lines.
Good technique on how to get back on the kayak. Time to catch🐟🐟🐟🐟🐟😀👍
Thanks 😀
Lol. Very good “Must Watch Before Buying” in bold orange letters over the thumbnail of you flipping in the Yak. That’s how you get folks to click.
Seriously though, as a fisherman who is considering switching from an older Outback to either a Predator, Topwater or new Outback, is like to see a stability test with it loaded up for fishing.
I.e. Accessories mounted on the gunnels, tackle, rods and other typical gear.
I have that too. Salmon fishing out in the ocean in sporty condition 😉
Nice review, I am researching for an ocean fishing kayak. Nimbus Flats is my favorite spot to go open water swimming there.
Good luck on your research. I see a few swimmers there.
Great Two Part Series on the PDL 120 . Thank You 👍👍
Thanks ☺
I want to ask everyone. How often do people fall from a kayak into the water?
FYI: I've used my Tarpon 100 for 10 years (wind, waves etc) and only fallen off once. And only after leaning stupidly far to one side (while trying to untangle my vertical fishing rods behind my seat).
This question is impossible to answer in a meaningful way, because there are too many variables. It’s a pretty safe bet that sooner or later, we’ll all roll out, so plan on it. That means wear a PFD and dress for exposure .
It's not if you fall off, it's when 😂😂. Like SuperBardley said too much variables. If you like to play in rough water you'll fall off more than a person who only calmer water. Falling off is not that big of an issue if you are prepared for the drink 😉.
I recently managed to fall off a Hobie Pro Angler. The boat was stable. I wasn’t. Into the Puget Sound. I don’t recommend anyone else do that.
I've had kyaks for v 15 years in the gulf in Florida. Only rolled twice. Both times I had my dog, on board and he decided to go for a swim.
Great video!! Only video that talks about paddling with the pdl , which is important bc of shallow and grass lakes.. Thank you
Thanks you. I hope this video was helpful.
Would love to see more kayak reviews. would like to see you review the riot mako 12
I don't know if I can get my hand on one but I will try.
Great review I think old town has a great pedal yak there’s one thing I don’t like about it the bulky box that lifts up with drive it’s just to big would be in your way in the shallows great video 👍👍👍
Thanks. It does take some space when out of the water.
How do you think it would handle the surf and the ocean swells ? Guess I will wait till you do the ocean review.
Honestly I don't know how well it will do. I'll find out soon.
Peddle movement is jerky. If you look at your ocean peddling video , your peddling motion is very smooth. Users who say it gets smoother after a couple days are probably just used to the jerky peddling motion by then.
The drive did get smooth after a couple of trips. This was my first trip with this kayak.
Thanks for posting average & top speed, spent too much time trying to find it!
Glad you found it. The top speed is gonna be pretty much the same for no matter what because of the hull speed. But average speed might be different on the person. I believe I represent an average Joe but if you are a avid cyclist or a runner you might get better average speed.
Nice review...you think there's suitable mounting for a Scotty Lake Troller down rigger?
I haven't tried it but I typically don't like mounting a Lake Troller directly to the gear track. I think either right behind the rudder steer nob or between 2 rod holders on the left might be a good place for it.
Wow, awesome, very nice. Like it
Thanks
Good review, which is faster? The prop or the fins for these peddle yaks?
Not all prop and fins are made equal or can't say which is faster since I haven't tested every prop and fins. However, from what I hear, Hobie Mirage drive is still the most efficient. Boat speed really depends on the hull design of the kayak but Mirage drive takes less effort to travel same speed than prop drives is what I hear.
@@MooMooOutdoors i see, i kinda figured with hull design as far as speed, my ascend 128t weighs 96lbs but is faster than my tamarack 100 which weighs only 52lbs. Maybe one of these days ill get a peddle drive. But for now i have plans for a trolling motor for the ascend, already have a motor...
Trolling motor is becoming very popular amongst bass anglers. My best advise to you, when you are ready for a pedal kayak, is try as many as you can before purchase.
You can use your rudder and paddle one side to your advantage what i mean is set your rudder on your weak side and paddle your strong side and it should be easier and less energy used
I don't have a weak side 😜😂🤣
@@MooMooOutdoors 🤣🤭
Thanks so much for the excellent video. Just curious. Is Revo 13 more stable than outback in open ocean in good condition? Thanks.
Out back is more stable than the Revo 13 in flat conditions because Outback has better primary stability. Revo 13 shines in rough water when you get used to the secondary stability.
at three MPH, a guy could get from mariners basin in mission bay out to the 75' ledge in 20 minutes.. sounds pretty damn good to me.. lol
Ocean is a little different with the swell, the wave and the current. My assumption is it will pedal around 2 mph at cruising speed.
@@MooMooOutdoors well.. that first mile is in MB or the channel.. that said, I could make it paddling my ancient Fish n Dive (gen 1, ooh), in about an hour and a half if I busted my balls.. lol.. an ancient, fat, heavy kayak without a rudder available, almost impossible to flip, tracked horrible, but could take three foot waves sideways no problem,maybe four foot waves..
@roastmypig eh.. the oceans are safe enough, especially from a shark perspective..
@roastmypig HAHAHA.. I've been going out on the ocean for a hell of a long time, been rammed by hammerheads, seen makos breach on Jack Mackerel.. even a couple very intimidating encounters with whales.. all just part of the kayak experience.. yeah, bad things can happen, they can happen in traffic on the way to work too (more common by far). Those people party hard, and still haven't learned from their forebears. they will keep 'learning', possibly until none are left..
I am selling my Vibe and getting this. The Vibe flips if I look sideways. Spend all my time worrying about going over again. Forget standing or reaching.
Which model do you have?
I’m 6’2” 335lbs. I Think I like it......
Good option for big boys 😉
you were siting really high from the video. is that the highest setting? can it be lower?
This only has one height setting so no.
🤣 good sign that you had a hard time flipping it. Great review, man! 👍
Thanks. It's got stupid stability 😂
A real review! Halleluya! I'm considering buying one of these and this really helped.
Glad to be a help 😁😁
@@MooMooOutdoors Ordered the Old Town Sportsman 120 PDL yesterday. Disappointed only in that they don't have any true camo colors available, but I'm OK with the "Ember Camo". Now for the long wait!
How long is the wait?
@@MooMooOutdoors They told me that some people, depending upon the timing of their orders, got their boats within three weeks. Others took up to two months. Very little difference between the Topwater and the Sportsman. I was told an improvement was made in the seat on the Sportsman and the rear handle is positioned differently. I sure wish I could have gotten a more "earth tone" boat color, but it is what it is. I watched a ton of TH-cam videos on different boats before I ordered because you can't "see" or "try out" kayaks anywhere in my area. Your review was by far the best!
@@the45er Yes, that's pretty much the case here too. All the kayaks are sold out and pre-sold. i hope you get yours sooner than later.
When you were doing all those circles, I was thinking that people on shore were probably wondering if you had been drinking haha. The stability is really nice, the effort needed to get it up to speed maybe not so much. Do you find that the kayaks with higher seats more comfortable or about the same as the sit-in kayaks?
Higher seats are definitely more comfortable than lower seat but then you are more top heavy. With the sit in side, you are sitting at the water level or below water level so the kayak can be narrow (faster) but stable. With the higher seat, you need more width to compensate the top heaviness. Since I like my kayaks fast in general, my kayaks have lower seat height.
@@MooMooOutdoors Yeah, that makes sense. You have a lot of distance to travel in saltwater, so I could see why you'd choose speed over comfort in most of your fishing trips! Thanks!
This is still an excellent video. I loved the performance testing. Nice 👍🏾
Thank you!
Moo Moo I Like It That You Are Honest About The Whole Review, Always The Best ! 🙆♀️ I Like 9
Thank you 😀
Very nice video! Learned a new product!
Thanks James
Great review. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Given that trolling for kokanee is about 1.2 to 1.5 mph and trout somewhat faster, trolling for a long time should not be a problem. I have a Pro Angler 14 and both yours and mine are pigs; but pigs have their purpose. Want speed and distance instead to trolling, look for something slimmer. Good show on the dunking, although I am not about to walk around mine - I would go swimming without having to flip it! Good video!
Thanks. This is a nice kayak but I don't have it anymore. To be honest, not my cup of tea. I like lighter and more efficient kayak like Revo 13.
I know this is a 3 year old video, but just found it. I'm trying to decide now on prop vs fin drive. I haven't gotten out to try any yet, and my gut feeling is that I will like the back and forth motion of the fin drive rather than the bicycle pedal prop drive. Do you have a thought on that? Did you ever do a side by side comparison with the Pro Angler? Thanks!
Biggest difference is weedless vs instant reverse. Efficiency wise, (quality) prop drives and fin drives are pretty much equal. It's the hull shape that make a kayak slower/faster. Some people like bicycle motion and others like fin drive motion. I think it personal preference.
@@MooMooOutdoors thanks!!!!!
Really nice review... I'm glad I ordered one then...
Thanks. You'll have so much fun with it.
Reminds me of the Titan a bit, nearly as wide. Nice vid. I love that triathlete quick glancing at your acrobatics. Keep it up!
😂😂 thanks Kate.
I have a question. Do you take out the plugs in the bottom....I think it is called scuffer plug? I know I should know more about my kayak, but only been out once and have no one to advice me... Thank you in advanced...Cheers Jeff
I don't use scupper plug because most of the fishing I do, I get some water on deck so I want the water to drain out quick. It's all personal preference and the body of water you are fishing. I hope this help and feel free to ask any questions.
Heck Moo if I was to walk through the damn thing would have turned over
It was my very first time doing a "boat walk" and I was ready to hit the water.
Did you get much water in the deck area? Heard others comment that there was quite a bit of water that comes in and was a problem for many.
I heard that too, especially for 10.5. No I haven't had much water on deck but, I'm small and pretty light dude. The water on deck doesn't really bother me much because most of the fishing I do, I get water on deck due to surf, wind waves and swells.
just saw this. did you do a comparison between OT vs Hobie outback? I am leaning toward the OT because of the price but I like the outback I can't find a place to test either kayak. Which kayak would you choose? I live in Sacramento.
It's hard to say because there are so many different factors (height, weight, type of water...) and personal preference. What I can say is there are both great kayak. The biggest differences is prop drive (instant reverse) vs mirage drive (weedless) and stability vs efficiency. What would I choose between these two? Neither. I personally like more efficient kayaks. When I had the OT Topwater 120 PDL, I had to force myself to take it out for fishing. I like fishing out of Revo 13 much more.
@@MooMooOutdoors thank you
I was hooked on the video once he started pronouncing “ability” text…
I'm actually considering this model it's so far the best in price and stability I'm 210lbs 6 feet , but wanted to know will this model be good in brackish waters Chesapeake bay area? with wake from boats and other elements or would I need to get the salty model kayak? I don't need speed but definitely need stability it's gonna be my first kayak ever! and 2nd time I'll be on one if I get it. 1st time I flipped lol hence the stability factor😅
Can't go wrong with either model. Topwater for better primary stability and Salty for secondary stability.
So stable! Pretty interesting
Yeah, stupid stable.
Nice kayak awesome review.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it
Do you notice any water seeping in around the paddle drive hat at high speed or rough waters? Does it stay dry?
I heard other people say water comes in through around the drive but I didn't noticed it. However, in most of the launches I do, I'm already wet and I most play in rough water where the water comes in over the deck so it's not an issue for me. I personally think that part of kayaking is getting wet 😉.
Great review
Thanks
We went there yesterday
Very cool
I've paddled and fished on my 120 sportsman all day no problem. BUT in the wind after 4 hrs I can't do it anymore
Sportsman 120 is more efficient than pdl 😉
@@MooMooOutdoors really? I can't keep up with my buddies pdl but I like to think I'm saving my knees by not owning one
Nice demo
Thanks
Good review
Thanks 😀
great video dude thnx
Thank you for watching and commenting. 😊
How tall are you moomoo? I'm 5'3" do you think ill be able to reach the peddles?
Unfortunately, I don't think so. I'm 5'7 and I can barely reach the pedal in proper position.
@@MooMooOutdoors so no adjustment is possible on the pedals?? 😯
@@valgilbreath8952 It is adjustable but not any more closer. It can be adjusted to fit a very tall person.
@@MooMooOutdoors oh wow now I have to look for something different but I was ready to purchase this old town tonight 😭 it's beautifu,l love the color especially.
Sorry Val but there are lots of good options out there.
What are you using for tracking your speed?
Handheld gps
Very nice video 💥🔥
Thanks
great video
Thanks. I really appreciated.
Cool! Thanks!
Thanks for watching
Can a 6’5 guy peddle this kayak comfortably?
This is one of the kayak that accommodates tall folks. My buddy who is 6'2 had a lot of room to spare.
That's shirts money dude. 🔥
Thanks 😁
How would you compare the old town to the slayer max?
I personally like Slayer Max better because it's got plenty of stability to stand and more efficient on the water. Thanks for watching.
MooMoo Outdoors Thanks, plan on hitting the bay this summer, maybe I’ll see ya out there!
fun review man!
Thanks
Nice video Moo. I can only get my Big Fish 108 to about 3.22 MPH with my fat A$$ in the seat. I can get it to six plus on a sprint then the prop cavitates and you drop speed.
6 plus? That's impressive.
@@MooMooOutdoors Used to be a cyclist.
Salty pdl or top water 120 pdl what is better
Can't say which is better. One has more primary stability and one is faster. Personal preference.
Dang..I wish I had the space to store a yak..that thing looks solid
Nice review
Is that del valle?
If there is a will, there is a way 😉. No this is Lake Natoma in Sac area.
MooMoo Outdoors
😄 there is my will and my girlfriend’s way
@@DiamondHead2010 😂😂😂😂😂
why would you paddle when you have a peddle system???
Biggest reason is the pedal drive can fail. When you are miles from the launch and when you have to paddle a long distance especially against the wind. My second biggest reason is for surf launch and surf landing. You need to get up to speed quick in the surf especially when you are landing. You really need get up to the speed to chase the wave. There are many more situations when you need to paddle instead of pedal.
that s cool how it has pedals on it...the first part should be in a try not to laugh video!😂😂😂
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I want to test one too 😶
Let's do it 😉
Damn great review.
Thanks
Just in case you didn’t know that drive floats yup it floats you can take that drive out drop it in the water and it will just float go ahead try it I’ve done it I guarantee it will float.
That's awesome. I would try it but I don't have this kayak anymore.
Did the drive stay stiff?
It became smooth after 1 day of fishing.
@@MooMooOutdoors do you like this one or the native slayer more?
I personally like Slayer Max more. A person who is above 250 lb might like Topwater better. Topwater is stupid stable 😂🤣
I would buy the electric kayak.
Here in Brazil this yak is very expensive.
How is the cost compare to Hobie and other brands?
Here is a trick for loading your heavy kayak onto your car rack, with your tie down strap. Just this out th-cam.com/video/gC6F_JmzseU/w-d-xo.html. This replace your bathroom mat.
This is a good way too. I've done this a few times. However, not all roof racks have bars sticking out and I personally find bathroom mat slides easier.
where is this?
Lake Natoma
@@MooMooOutdoors i just want to say thanks for giving tip/advice on crab fishing. I just started so your videos are very helpful. Im heading out next week to set my traps. I hope to run into you one day in the Bay Area.
Loved this review. We share fishing adventures in our channel too, at Costa Rica, if you want to follow us 👍
Thanks 😊
Hello my friend
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Why does anyone stand on the bow, or walk front to back on a kayak, who does this while kayak fishing?
😂😂 No one does. I've seen other kayaks advertising their stability by boat walk so I wanted to see if I can do it with this kayak.
Sounds like you made his favorite boat look bad by demonstration how stable the 120 is. That’s why he acted like you’re stupid.
Actually, I came across a video of someone bass fishing who was doing that - no clue as to why he thought it necessary to stand there.
Heard your sold your pdl ? Why
I had to thin out my fleet.
MooMoo Outdoors I’m thinking about topwater or a outback. Idk hard decision.
Demo'ing is the best way. Native Slayer Max would be a good option too.
Kayak is too wide and you looked like you were struggling to simply paddle it. Must weigh a ton .
It actually doesn't weigh too much but this is better for bigger person.
I guess your review must be different. You must mean the other reviews are dishonest.
I don't know what others think or said about this kayak. I'm just sharing my honest thought about this kayak without any persuasion from other people or Old Town.
10 minutes too long...
Thanks for watching
So, you want a 4 minute review? There wouldn't be much time to expound on the pros and cons. Possibly you should just fast forward to the last couple of minutes?
OMG I have a top water 120 34 inches wide and I would literally have to be standing on my head 2 legs and an arm overboard to have it flip....oh shyt snap I'm 6ft 250 bodybuilder.........worst review ever ......... Lol but a house boat to fish from!!!!! Worst review I've ever watched.