I suffer from very terrible anxiety (to the point where my stomach hurts and I feel very very sick) and these videos help calm me down when I'm having my worst anxiety attack. Thank you for making these, they're great for my anxiety!
Some additional comments: 1) Trains in Argentina usually had three classes (even four on some particular consists): Pullman (named after the luxurious carriages built by the American manufacturer), First and Tourist. Tourist has been removed from some services but in others still remain. 2) Train traveling in Argentina is the cheapest means of transportation and most people do not make the full length of the journey but travel within intermediate stops instead, seldom served by bus also 3) The train does not finalise its trip, momentarily, in Tucuman but in Cevil Pozo due to the bridge over the Sali river being under reparations after a severe flood almost washed it away a couple of years ago 4) Welding of the rails is something quite new so you will still hear "track track track" almost all of the time 5) Rock throwing is a nasty "hobby", that's been lingering for decades all across the country and next to impossible to erradicate 6) Toilet in appropriate conditions is something you won't find easily. Truth is customer service on that aspect is minimum
No, no es imposible. Basta con tomar nota y cuando pase el siguiente tren intervenir y aplicar una sanción ejemplar. No es ninguna ciencia. Sólo una sana voluntad política.
Argentina has have a very poor political management over the decades, so the average person has very little to none culture or respect for the others, due to the lack of education, deterioration of available jobs, low health coverage and poor nutrition. So you will commonly see things like broken stuff, and the matter with the rocks, ahh..stay away from windows when coming into Rosario Sur station, that area is a shooting alley
its sad to the see the speed of the train. The "tucumano" in 1939 did the exact same journey in 11 hours, stopping at Rosario and La Banda. With A/C (A luxury at the time) and first class cuisine. In many ways we have devolved in the last decades but comparing with the trains just ten years ago its an improvement
I really enjoyed this. To see the 'real' Argentinian train experience is a real treat. So many TV travel shows miss out the bits at the beginning and end of the journey telling us how you get there and travel on in the middle of the night! I look forward to more from this fascinating country,
This brought back a lot if memories. I lived in Argentina for two years in the early 70's. So as far as I can tell, NOT a lot appears to have changed, since MY time out there.
I hope you have enjoyed the trip and you are enjoying Argentina, we have our things but it makes me very happy (and I don't think I'm the only one) that you have chosen our country to brand new South America ❤️🇦🇷
Yes me too, i have enjoyed this video from Argentina railways. Never visit your beautifull country Argentina yet from the city of Paramaribo where i am living. I was glad to hear that the Argentina ministerio exteriores have plans to re open the embajada de Argentina here in Paramaribo, which the Argentina government closed in 2018 due to financial problems in the country . Greetings from Marty here in Paramaribo
@@MARIARUIZ-hv4mn tenes una ensalada mental importante, son formaciones relativamente nuevas y son comparables a luchp de lo que circula en lineas europeas con trenes de prestaciones normales, el problema es la traccion y el estado de la infraestructura de via en Argentina luego de decadas y decadas de desguace liberalconservador
Back in 1989, on a group trip from Bogota to Rio, 70 days, we took a pair of overnight train trips in Argentina. Mendoza to Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires to the Paraguay border (Corrientes I think). Both were in coach class. It was an experience, but we were young, had lots of wine so had a good time.
Amazing how similar the train experiences are between Argentina and Pakistan. You have locals selling food at the stations, Chinese-built rolling stock, and similar looking sleeper compartments across both nations!
Unbelievably low fare for two nights in a sleeping car! What a nice experience, stopping at the small towns. Thanks for sharing this journey - a world of difference from a TGV!
Traveling by TGV costs you 30 euros for 110 kilometers and the wagons go empty and operate in deficit because ordinary people today can no longer afford them, and traveling on this beautiful train with this beautiful experience through a beautiful country costs you only 2.5 euros for 110 kilometers and allows anyone to travel.
@@venkshenoi371 no es primer mundo capo, no es un país con déficit presupuestarios de billones de dólares permitidos por sus aportantes para que lo gasten en lujos, es un país que trata de salir de los problemas y hace lo que puede. Está más que bien.
@@youshouldknowthis4847 No trata de salir en absoluto. Se hunde indefinidamente. Todos lo sabemos aquí... / He doesn't try to get out at all. It sinks indefinitely. We all know here...
@@youshouldknowthis4847 These trains still lose massive amounts of money and provide for a substandard service quality. Trains in war torn Ukraine reach 160 km/h and despite dating back from 1980 they are in a better condition than the ones shown on this video. Argentina will be a third world country forever, because instead of being outraged by the fact that there’s such a bad rail transport system people keep justifying everything and naturalizing such destructive behavior as rock throwing.
A couple of comments to better understand the Argentine railway environment and situation. The line was originally built in the late XIX century (broad gauge, similar to Indian one) by British company, nationalized in 1948. In the early 90's the Federal government decided to transfer the passenger services to the provinces otherwise they were going to shut them down due to being not profitable. At the same time the infrastructure and freight operations were transferred for a 30-year term to new private operators. These operators did almost next to nothing to preserve the infrastructure leading to an almost general decay, with quasi non existent preventive upkeep. As a consequence speed was drastically reduced and fewer trains than before are running due to signalling being made via walkie-talkie in many cases (old semaphores were abandoned). In the past 10 years the Federal government decided, considering the appalling overall state of the lines, to jump back and started to invest on infrastructure (the line Buenos Aires-Rosario was donde from scratch again) and rolling stock (mostly Chinese being Argentina on default and with limited financing capabilities to access renowned suppliers otherwise). Contrary to most of the rest of the world, Passenger trains can only run (up to now at least) whenever the freight operator leaves an empty slot, and accomodate its speeds accordingly. That is why you see this awful timetables. It is expected that once concessions finalise, during 2022-23 most of them, the Federal government will prioritise Passenger services once again. Finally, the ridiculously low prices are a consequence of the pathetic service provided. The motto is "the service is so bad we can not charge more" and under this situation the train. nowadays, in Argentina is seen as the means of transportation of the lower segment of the population who cannot afford the coach or plane and must endure, therefore, this unreliable, unsafe and not timely service. Hope it helped!
@@LiquidShivaz yes Is really sad. In the 80s this service was the daily Independence Express (for the independence declaration from Spain in 1816 in Tucumán) with restaurant service, a cinema coach, you could get your own car, less stops and 14 hours journey. And also have another option the Estrella del Norte (North Star) leaving few hours later with more stops and less services. And many other services connecting the main cities like Córdoba, Mendoza, Iguazú falls, or Bariloche with the same level of services. One of the most famous was one of the express to Bariloche called Arrayanes that takes 25 hours for a 1700 km journey with sleeping car, restaurant, cinema and also a disco coach! Going to skiing
I understand from a friend of mine who studied business that it's typical all over the world for governments to privatize railways, the railway companies to run the rails into the ground, then for the governments to nationalize the railways again, fix the rails, and privatize them again. 😵💫
Thanks for this sympathetic story. I am happy that you enjoyed it. (Citizen of Perú, from the UK originally). The South Americans have the most affectionate culture of anywhere!
Hallo sir, it was a pleasure watching this nice video of your trip on the Argentino Railways. From Beunos aires central station to a city north east of Argentina, about 1150 km distance which is a big distance for sure. This Argentina train is quite nice and very clean from the inside and its sleeping compartments. Nice to see the dinning and food cabin and experience you see the country side through the windows of this enormous huge country south of Uruguay and Brazil. Enjoy your video and hope to see your next trip in Argentina republica. Watching this video from Paramaribo Suriname greetings Marty
The is no Central Buenos AIres, there are three huge terminals (Retiro, COnstitucion and Once), one middle-sized (Lacroze) and a small one (the one and only one named after the Capital City)
What an amazing trip. Train in South America is definitely out of radars, especially the Passenger train. Because when I read about Transportation in South America in general are between Road Transportation and Flying. The livery looks cool btw, and the vibe when stopping at station is very local.
Interesting, to say the least. South America has always fascinated me, even though I've never been there. They're Americans, but the kind that play proper football (as you already mentioned). Not like their northern neighbours, who dress up in funny clothes and carry an egg around. The service may be simple, but more than adequate for the price - from a European point of view, that is. I moved from one very rich country (Netherlands, La Naranja Mecanica) to a not-quite-as-rich country (Malta). You tend to look differently at things when you get different perspectives. Things you miss when you're a tourist, and that's probably also why the Argentinians commenting on this video have less of a romantic view about travelling by train. Chances are poor I'll ever make it to South America - my wife and I are getting too old, and the time of grand adventures lies behind us - so I really appreciate videos like these. I got along great with the couple of South Americans I've met, and it looks like you did, too. (Mind, I'm not saying that all South Americans are the same. But coming from Europe, I know that people from different countries can be very different, and yet very similar.)
Ah yes, we jokingly call it handegg. And hey, may not be may place to say but take that chance to visit when you can, if only for a short while, I say it's better than to live with the regret of the what if
@@del.see.oh.89Yes and no. They're different in the anglo/Latino way, they socialize in totally different ways and prioritize different bonds. But they both share a New world vibe Europeans and all the other continents just don't have, specially in politics, they're a lot bolder.
Hi Thibault! I´m following the channel for a while and it´s my first comment here! As a south american myself, from Brazil, I can only imagine how amazing and also peculiar this trip was to you. Argentina, like Brazil, is a poor country, and it´s very common to see really poor communities during our trips in this part of the world. But unlike Brazil, Argentina relies a lot on trains between cities, while here trains are basically for commuting. In the last decade, to create faster connections between cities that were hosts of the World Cup 2014, there were plans for high speed trains (or trem bala, bullet trains, as we usually call here), but the cost was prohibitive at that time. There are some projects of intercity trains in the some states here, but things are rolling very slowly here. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Argentina! Buenos Aires is a stunning city! Your videos are great!
Great video! Very informative and a terrific sleeper review. Thanks for putting this together and I'm really looking forward to the next part of your journey!
Cuando era niño en los 70s viajaba con mi mama de Tucuman a Bs. As. El tren se llamaba Estrella del Norte y salia a las 19:00 hs. De Tuc Estacion Central Ferrocarril Mitre y llegaba a Bs.As. Est. Retiro a las 13:00 hs mas o menos, el viaje demoraba 17:00hs. Aproximadamente, aunque siempre habia algun imprevisto y se retrasaba un poquito mas pero despues de 45 años es una locura que demore 32:00 hs. y son las mismas vias y el mismo recorrido, saludos desde Tucuman Argentina!!
Thank you so much for that video! I appreciate your passion about traveling, trains and local communities I feel it really made with love and soul Have a nice trip wherever you go!
I was about to say the design of the sleeper train looks really like typical Chinese sleepers (except they only host two people in a compartment) then I saw you mention it's Chinese built. It feels exactly like trains in China, and not having water in the rooms / having separate hand washing areas are old designs that we still see today here.
Hi , I m from India, really enjoyed your video. Interiors of compartment was really good and similar we find in our 1st class coaches. Speed found little slower. Nice country side.
Wow, what a fantastic train ride! The room looked nice, and the staff sound amazing. Strange rocks are thrown at the trains. What a great way to see the country!
Finally you made it to my country! I had the opportunity to take that train back in 2007... interesting experience that I WOULD NOT TAKE AGAIN! It took exactly 32 hours (and part of my soul. I was a more mature person when I left that train ). Enjoy south America and Argentina especially!!!!
In the 1970s, the average time for this service was 15 hours. There are already aprox 300 km of renewed tracks but new automatic level crossing systems are still in construction in order to increase the average speed and reduce time travel. Of course, there is no track renewal project yet for the remaining 800 km.
The longest train is Buenos Aires-Bariloche, 1850 km. Nowadays, works Buenos Aires- Bahía Blanca and Viedma- Bariloche. Out of work Viedma- Bahía Blanca, 240 km.
Hello dear, I'm argentine and live in Buenos Aires Province. I've enjoyed your video very much. Fortunately, after many years of abandoned trains, a couple of years they are being repaired and we have long distance services . I hope to travel them thruogth some day. Thankyou for your kind video, best regards!!
Argentinos have trains running in their veins. The whole civilization there is laid out rail-centrically, it is so fascinating and about the greatest rail heritage in the world. While I was following it on TH-cam last year there was a new line opened or extended like once a month, and work going on all the time. It'll be a wonder if a single state entity can manage all that growing all the time. Unlike the US it's been a shorter time since the collapse of rail in Argentina. People still remember some of the more practical aspects about trains, whereas we've forgotten and been deliberately misled. It all depends on being sandwiched between the Chinese willingness to help (too much?) and hopefully reasonableness of the government overseeing all this. I think they're doing it right. (One sign is every seat is taken whereas in Europe and US you see trains running around empty. All are subsidized so it doesn't matter.) Great trains we'd like to see: I got a super scenario for high speed Buenos Aires-to-Rosario, whence the line splits at a new underground station in the eastern CBD and the branches proceed to the two famous old stations neither of which is currently used. (It's as if planned.) Then on in diverging directions. (I wish we'd seen the Tucuman station and it's potentially speedy approach. Super - though I've only seen it from Goggle Earth. Argentina's greatest potential for tons of trains, as long as they don't do to them what they did to us - and others - and them once already.) Then the BIG ONE: Trans-con Montevideo, Sacramento, Once Sta Buenos Aires - several populous places along the broad gauge to near Mendosa. (I think I added a modernized leg through San Louis.) Then the crossing of the Andes in the belief the best route is near the old one (It's definitely shorter than that other one.) and - Santiago. One of the greatest trains in the world it would be. Like Berlin-Rome. NY-Chicago. LA-San Francisco - but not the way they're doin' it.
Argentina went from being one of the countries with the greatest railway activity... to this. We have an incredible railway past, in my city (Rosario) most of the old buildings belonged to railway offices or locomotive workshops and all that, if you remove a bit of pavement from the streets, you will surely find the old rails. We have a rich past in trains, we were a world potence. And well... now we have a train that takes 8 hours to travel 300km. The only ones that still exist in abundance are cargo services because they carry cereals and grains to the ports, but as for passenger services, it seems that only now are they being activated again town by town and city by city, but even that they restore all the sections of rails... it's going to be a good time. What is annoying is that people from other countries are surprised because we have passenger trains... we are not cavemen or aboriginals... we have cities as modern as any other in Europe or the USA. Remember that the majority of the Argentine population comes from Europe, we were the first Latin American country to have subways and other services at the beginning of the 20th century and before too. Watch some videos about the cities and places in Argentina to get to know a little better what our country is like, after all, we are the eighth largest country in the world, so there are many different regions in the same republic. Good video going all that way. Greetings from Rosario
Interesting. EMD loco and a EOG setup (end on generator) setup. This is similar to what we have in India!!!… the EMD looks wonderful and so does the livery… easy on the eyes, and attractive…. By Indian standards, a journey of 32 hours is “THE norm”.. we have journeys which take double the time, even touching 70 hours, so this is way too short by our standards. 😊.. be it in IR(Indian railways) or even Pakistan railways (PR), they don’t have ensuite facilities. 7:42, interesting to see the rake being so solid. Reminds me of the times in IR when I travelled extensively in the LHB rakes and they too were fantastic!!!.. Ceres is also in Argentina?. I thought it was a South African city. Fabulous sunset!!!.. enjoyed the video, lovely!!!… great to see 1676 mm tracks!!!.. that’s something I love!!!.
Sigo aqui porque se me corto y no se como borrar lo ya escrito. Respecto a lo que dije sobre la informacion es hacer conocer que la Argentina, mi querido pais, tenia un desarrollo ferroviario superado por muy pocos paises en es mundo (creo que serian 5 o 6 a lo sumo). El total era de alrededor de los 50.000 Km. de 4 trochas: la mas extensa la de 1.767 (mas o menos), la segunda de 1,000 (mas desarrollada en el norte del pais), la tercera la de 1,500 rollo ferroviario me referia a que
One very important detail. The prices you are giving are the official exchange. Which is a bad one, most tourist use the "blue" ratio, which is nearly double. This means that €240. So everything is half the price that in this video. Argentina is one of the cheapest places to visit today, and really worth it, not only because I'm Argentinian, but in comparison to other cheap countries, is the one that has more to offer, very versatile. Thanks for coming!.
What? You were in Argentina? Nice! I've never taken the train to Tucumán, but I've gone to Córdoba in one of the camarotes, and to Bahia Blanca on the "pullman" car. I'd love to travel more in sleeper trains but there aren't that many and it's difficult to get tickets for the rooms. For those trying to buy them, they usually "open up" the sale of the tickets the first few days of the month, say you want to travel in May, you should go to the website in early April to see when the tickets become available. If you want a camarote you need to buy it the same day they go on sale. I'll comment again when I finish watching the video, I have to go now. Oh, did they tell you why they are leaving from the temporary station? It's awful, and the recently renewed Retiro station is so beautiful! I've also seen Constitución (where the trains to the South leave) and it is also beautiful.
Retiro Mitre station is having it's rails renewed and the jobs are due to end in 2024. Retiro San Martin will be remodeled as a long distance terminal and Retiro Mitre will be the terminal of commuter train both from Mitre and San Martin Line
man, really nice to see you in South America! Since you've gone to Argentina, you could try the brazilian longest railway trip from Parauapebas (in the amazon rainforest) to San Luís, a 18h trip! that's a really wild trip!
If you continue in South America, you travel a Chilean Railway! My Birthplace!🚆 South American Empanadas are basically meat pies within some baked bread! Central Americans usually fry them, but down there they bake them! YUUUUMMMM! Reminds me so much of Chile except there are Mountian ranges throughout the Country!
lucky to have gotten a ticket honestly, that route consistently sells out. I rode Cordoba-BsAs back in 2009 on FerroCentral in coach. Very cool ride, very bad sleep.
very cool my friend !! love from cordoba cap.. argentinas train is the cheap travel economic transport but is trully bad conditions right now.. in the past was better than now.. lol
Your description of it looking like Oklahoma and the condition of the R.O.W. gives it a "Rock Island" vibe... you could've been riding the Argentine equivalent of the "Choctaw Rocket"... LOL!!!
That is why South America is generally considered Third World while the US and Canada are Developed countries. This part of the globe indeed is another planet
Totally agree with you while taken this train trip with Argentina railways, you see and enjoy the countryside of this enormous big country south of Urugauy and Brazil
Dear...(I wonder if I missed your name in the credits...?!?), thank you for yet another wonderful train journey in Argentina...A humble suggestion: The colour of the subtitles could change, alternately, so we know as we are doing 2 things at the same time, watching and reading, so as not to miss the sights & the commentary!!! Keep travelling buddy...Cheers from Bangalore.
Just in case, my name has nothing to do with the Argentinian town depicted. In the 80s I travelled between Buenos Aires and Mendoza by train, an almost as long a journey. The service was as nice as you described, but the equipment was not. I thought you were very kind and diplomatic describing/evaluating the equipment, particularly coming from the land of the TGV, and from Europe in general, where I used many trains, including the Train Hotel between Madrid and Paris. Finally, after spending one month in Buenos Aires at work, I found the people to be very kind, very gentle. I also spent time with some people from Rio Negro and found that the people from the Argentina`s provinces are amazingly cordial, friendly, and open.
Argentine railways can learn a lot from the Indian Railways as the needs and problems of both the systems are some what the same. However the Indian Railways have modernised a lot in the last 25years or so but still there is scope for more improvement.
I suffer from very terrible anxiety (to the point where my stomach hurts and I feel very very sick) and these videos help calm me down when I'm having my worst anxiety attack.
Thank you for making these, they're great for my anxiety!
Some additional comments:
1) Trains in Argentina usually had three classes (even four on some particular consists): Pullman (named after the luxurious carriages built by the American manufacturer), First and Tourist. Tourist has been removed from some services but in others still remain.
2) Train traveling in Argentina is the cheapest means of transportation and most people do not make the full length of the journey but travel within intermediate stops instead, seldom served by bus also
3) The train does not finalise its trip, momentarily, in Tucuman but in Cevil Pozo due to the bridge over the Sali river being under reparations after a severe flood almost washed it away a couple of years ago
4) Welding of the rails is something quite new so you will still hear "track track track" almost all of the time
5) Rock throwing is a nasty "hobby", that's been lingering for decades all across the country and next to impossible to erradicate
6) Toilet in appropriate conditions is something you won't find easily. Truth is customer service on that aspect is minimum
We Indians have the rock-throwing menace and the 5 ft 6-inch broad gauge in common with Argentina!
No, no es imposible. Basta con tomar nota y cuando pase el siguiente tren intervenir y aplicar una sanción ejemplar.
No es ninguna ciencia. Sólo una sana voluntad política.
Argentina has have a very poor political management over the decades, so the average person has very little to none culture or respect for the others, due to the lack of education, deterioration of available jobs, low health coverage and poor nutrition. So you will commonly see things like broken stuff, and the matter with the rocks, ahh..stay away from windows when coming into Rosario Sur station, that area is a shooting alley
Esos vagones fueron construidos en China.
@@estebita_lato El mejor ferrocarril fue el de la época de Peron.
its sad to the see the speed of the train. The "tucumano" in 1939 did the exact same journey in 11 hours, stopping at Rosario and La Banda. With A/C (A luxury at the time) and first class cuisine. In many ways we have devolved in the last decades but comparing with the trains just ten years ago its an improvement
In the 90s it took nearly 20 hours. Sometimes the train went by at walking speed due to the state of the tracks….
Goes to show how much Argentina's rail network decayed, especially during the 80s and 90s.
that's what motorisation means
@@gab_v250
In Deutschland würde man sagen, wir danken unserer grünen Regierungspartei.
See this video for taking a feeling of Indian train journey - th-cam.com/video/FEtYmCg2g40/w-d-xo.html
I can´t believe you made it to south america, specifically my country! hope you enjoyed it! I really feel it was such an adventure for you! :)
I am argentinian and the people from trenes argentinos were really nice the time I travelled long distance, so it wasnt just because you were foreign!
I really enjoyed this. To see the 'real' Argentinian train experience is a real treat. So many TV travel shows miss out the bits at the beginning and end of the journey telling us how you get there and travel on in the middle of the night! I look forward to more from this fascinating country,
This brought back a lot if memories. I lived in Argentina for two years in the early 70's. So as far as I can tell, NOT a lot appears to have changed, since MY time out there.
What a beautiful country and people.
Oh thanks.....
I hope you have enjoyed the trip and you are enjoying Argentina, we have our things but it makes me very happy (and I don't think I'm the only one) that you have chosen our country to brand new South America ❤️🇦🇷
Yes me too, i have enjoyed this video from Argentina railways. Never visit your beautifull country Argentina yet from the city of Paramaribo where i am living. I was glad to hear that the Argentina ministerio exteriores have plans to re open the embajada de Argentina here in Paramaribo, which the Argentina government closed in 2018 due to financial problems in the country . Greetings from Marty here in Paramaribo
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@@MARIARUIZ-hv4mn tenes una ensalada mental importante, son formaciones relativamente nuevas y son comparables a luchp de lo que circula en lineas europeas con trenes de prestaciones normales, el problema es la traccion y el estado de la infraestructura de via en Argentina luego de decadas y decadas de desguace liberalconservador
@@MrLaizard ensalada por do quier. , jajajaa a nivel europeo estandar dice
Argentina is such a beautiful country, full of extraordinary and welcoming people. Greetings from Argentina
And racists too!!!
@@DAVID1986. Explain yourself
@@niCop411 What!!!!
Back in 1989, on a group trip from Bogota to Rio, 70 days, we took a pair of overnight train trips in Argentina. Mendoza to Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires to the Paraguay border (Corrientes I think). Both were in coach class. It was an experience, but we were young, had lots of wine so had a good time.
Amazing how similar the train experiences are between Argentina and Pakistan. You have locals selling food at the stations, Chinese-built rolling stock, and similar looking sleeper compartments across both nations!
And 1676 mm gauge too!
Armoede
And average Argies usually are very keen of Pakistanis, we love your history and cultural diversity
And stoning
If you are from Pakistan, I love the variety of cats that you have. I expect to go to Karachi shortly.
Unbelievably low fare for two nights in a sleeping car! What a nice experience, stopping at the small towns. Thanks for sharing this journey - a world of difference from a TGV!
Traveling by TGV costs you 30 euros for 110 kilometers and the wagons go empty and operate in deficit because ordinary people today can no longer afford them, and traveling on this beautiful train with this beautiful experience through a beautiful country costs you only 2.5 euros for 110 kilometers and allows anyone to travel.
takes too long for a 700mile journey.
@@venkshenoi371 no es primer mundo capo, no es un país con déficit presupuestarios de billones de dólares permitidos por sus aportantes para que lo gasten en lujos, es un país que trata de salir de los problemas y hace lo que puede. Está más que bien.
@@youshouldknowthis4847 No trata de salir en absoluto. Se hunde indefinidamente. Todos lo sabemos aquí... / He doesn't try to get out at all. It sinks indefinitely. We all know here...
@@youshouldknowthis4847 These trains still lose massive amounts of money and provide for a substandard service quality. Trains in war torn Ukraine reach 160 km/h and despite dating back from 1980 they are in a better condition than the ones shown on this video. Argentina will be a third world country forever, because instead of being outraged by the fact that there’s such a bad rail transport system people keep justifying everything and naturalizing such destructive behavior as rock throwing.
A couple of comments to better understand the Argentine railway environment and situation.
The line was originally built in the late XIX century (broad gauge, similar to Indian one) by British company, nationalized in 1948. In the early 90's the Federal government decided to transfer the passenger services to the provinces otherwise they were going to shut them down due to being not profitable. At the same time the infrastructure and freight operations were transferred for a 30-year term to new private operators. These operators did almost next to nothing to preserve the infrastructure leading to an almost general decay, with quasi non existent preventive upkeep. As a consequence speed was drastically reduced and fewer trains than before are running due to signalling being made via walkie-talkie in many cases (old semaphores were abandoned). In the past 10 years the Federal government decided, considering the appalling overall state of the lines, to jump back and started to invest on infrastructure (the line Buenos Aires-Rosario was donde from scratch again) and rolling stock (mostly Chinese being Argentina on default and with limited financing capabilities to access renowned suppliers otherwise).
Contrary to most of the rest of the world, Passenger trains can only run (up to now at least) whenever the freight operator leaves an empty slot, and accomodate its speeds accordingly. That is why you see this awful timetables. It is expected that once concessions finalise, during 2022-23 most of them, the Federal government will prioritise Passenger services once again.
Finally, the ridiculously low prices are a consequence of the pathetic service provided. The motto is "the service is so bad we can not charge more" and under this situation the train. nowadays, in Argentina is seen as the means of transportation of the lower segment of the population who cannot afford the coach or plane and must endure, therefore, this unreliable, unsafe and not timely service.
Hope it helped!
Un addition this same trip un the 80s was done un 14 hours
@@luiscarracedo7793 correct! The decay in the maintenance and signalling has led to a decrease on average speed accordingly
@@luiscarracedo7793 that’s sad. I think trains really could be sustainable in a world with rising fuel prices
@@LiquidShivaz yes Is really sad. In the 80s this service was the daily Independence Express (for the independence declaration from Spain in 1816 in Tucumán) with restaurant service, a cinema coach, you could get your own car, less stops and 14 hours journey. And also have another option the Estrella del Norte (North Star) leaving few hours later with more stops and less services. And many other services connecting the main cities like Córdoba, Mendoza, Iguazú falls, or Bariloche with the same level of services. One of the most famous was one of the express to Bariloche called Arrayanes that takes 25 hours for a 1700 km journey with sleeping car, restaurant, cinema and also a disco coach! Going to skiing
I understand from a friend of mine who studied business that it's typical all over the world for governments to privatize railways, the railway companies to run the rails into the ground, then for the governments to nationalize the railways again, fix the rails, and privatize them again. 😵💫
Thanks for this sympathetic story. I am happy that you enjoyed it.
(Citizen of Perú, from the UK originally).
The South Americans have the most affectionate culture of anywhere!
Hallo sir, it was a pleasure watching this nice video of your trip on the Argentino Railways. From Beunos aires central station to a city north east of Argentina, about 1150 km distance which is a big distance for sure. This Argentina train is quite nice and very clean from the inside and its sleeping compartments. Nice to see the dinning and food cabin and experience you see the country side through the windows of this enormous huge country south of Uruguay and Brazil. Enjoy your video and hope to see your next trip in Argentina republica. Watching this video from Paramaribo Suriname greetings Marty
The is no Central Buenos AIres, there are three huge terminals (Retiro, COnstitucion and Once), one middle-sized (Lacroze) and a small one (the one and only one named after the Capital City)
1150km or 720miles is relatively short.
it's so cool to see you around LATAM! hoping to see more videos around here and great video as always man! cheers from Chile
What an amazing trip. Train in South America is definitely out of radars, especially the Passenger train. Because when I read about Transportation in South America in general are between Road Transportation and Flying. The livery looks cool btw, and the vibe when stopping at station is very local.
Interesting, to say the least. South America has always fascinated me, even though I've never been there. They're Americans, but the kind that play proper football (as you already mentioned). Not like their northern neighbours, who dress up in funny clothes and carry an egg around.
The service may be simple, but more than adequate for the price - from a European point of view, that is. I moved from one very rich country (Netherlands, La Naranja Mecanica) to a not-quite-as-rich country (Malta). You tend to look differently at things when you get different perspectives. Things you miss when you're a tourist, and that's probably also why the Argentinians commenting on this video have less of a romantic view about travelling by train.
Chances are poor I'll ever make it to South America - my wife and I are getting too old, and the time of grand adventures lies behind us - so I really appreciate videos like these. I got along great with the couple of South Americans I've met, and it looks like you did, too. (Mind, I'm not saying that all South Americans are the same. But coming from Europe, I know that people from different countries can be very different, and yet very similar.)
Latin America and the US are nothing alike.
Ah yes, we jokingly call it handegg. And hey, may not be may place to say but take that chance to visit when you can, if only for a short while, I say it's better than to live with the regret of the what if
@@del.see.oh.89Yes and no. They're different in the anglo/Latino way, they socialize in totally different ways and prioritize different bonds. But they both share a New world vibe Europeans and all the other continents just don't have, specially in politics, they're a lot bolder.
Hi Thibault! I´m following the channel for a while and it´s my first comment here! As a south american myself, from Brazil, I can only imagine how amazing and also peculiar this trip was to you. Argentina, like Brazil, is a poor country, and it´s very common to see really poor communities during our trips in this part of the world. But unlike Brazil, Argentina relies a lot on trains between cities, while here trains are basically for commuting. In the last decade, to create faster connections between cities that were hosts of the World Cup 2014, there were plans for high speed trains (or trem bala, bullet trains, as we usually call here), but the cost was prohibitive at that time. There are some projects of intercity trains in the some states here, but things are rolling very slowly here. I hope you enjoyed your stay in Argentina! Buenos Aires is a stunning city! Your videos are great!
south america has always had problems with passenger trains, in brazil only 2 long distance trains, and in bolivia 2 too if I'm not mistaken
It's my dream to visit Argentina and i love train journeys. Thanks for this wonderful tour, I enjoyed it a lot and wanna travel through this train
Gracias por mostrarle al mundo todo lo bueno y lo malo de nuestro país! Espero que hayas tenido una excelente estadía.
Great video! Very informative and a terrific sleeper review. Thanks for putting this together and I'm really looking forward to the next part of your journey!
Cuando era niño en los 70s viajaba con mi mama de Tucuman a Bs. As. El tren se llamaba Estrella del Norte y salia a las 19:00 hs. De Tuc Estacion Central Ferrocarril Mitre y llegaba a Bs.As. Est. Retiro a las 13:00 hs mas o menos, el viaje demoraba 17:00hs. Aproximadamente, aunque siempre habia algun imprevisto y se retrasaba un poquito mas pero despues de 45 años es una locura que demore 32:00 hs. y son las mismas vias y el mismo recorrido, saludos desde Tucuman Argentina!!
Thank you so much for that video!
I appreciate your passion about traveling, trains and local communities
I feel it really made with love and soul
Have a nice trip wherever you go!
Que bueno que viniste para Argentina!! Saludos Simply Railway 🇦🇷
Great video. I have been to Argentina several times. Only took short trains. This looks interesting. I hope to visit again soon.
Te felicito hermano por vicitar mi pais y ver nuestros trenes😎 yo vivo a una hora de la estacion de tren de retiro
Welcome to Argentina!!!!
I was about to say the design of the sleeper train looks really like typical Chinese sleepers (except they only host two people in a compartment) then I saw you mention it's Chinese built. It feels exactly like trains in China, and not having water in the rooms / having separate hand washing areas are old designs that we still see today here.
It looks like a 25G with a 高軟 configuration
This train is so Chinese that there's fangbianmian noodles scent in my brain already😂
Fabulous Thibault!! I loved your Oklahoma comments. I have been through Oklahoma many times and you are spot on. Thank you so much!!
thanks for this man, I really enjoyed and loved it!! Thank u from Tucuman. I love trains
So great that you made it to Argentina! Excellent review and I hope that you enjoy the whole of the country! Cheers
I'm from Oklahoma and most of us who reside here consider it to be the Southwest. The scenery does remind me of central Oklahoma.
Hi , I m from India, really enjoyed your video. Interiors of compartment was really good and similar we find in our 1st class coaches. Speed found little slower. Nice country side.
A truly memorable venturr!! Beautiful scenery and fantastic sunset
Thank you Thibault for sharing😀😀♥️♥️
Thanks for sharings the video , greetings from Argentina
Wow, what a fantastic train ride! The room looked nice, and the staff sound amazing. Strange rocks are thrown at the trains. What a great way to see the country!
Stone hurling iat running trains is sport of the average local idiots which are mass actually and has nothing to do with cultural or social backgorund
very interesting journey, cant wait for more from south america
Great to see. A real throw back experience.
What a trip !!! unbelievable !!!
That was great!! Different. Really enjoyed it👍🏻
Finally you made it to my country! I had the opportunity to take that train back in 2007... interesting experience that I WOULD NOT TAKE AGAIN! It took exactly 32 hours (and part of my soul. I was a more mature person when I left that train ). Enjoy south America and Argentina especially!!!!
I love this country 👍
In the 1970s, the average time for this service was 15 hours. There are already aprox 300 km of renewed tracks but new automatic level crossing systems are still in construction in order to increase the average speed and reduce time travel. Of course, there is no track renewal project yet for the remaining 800 km.
The longest train is Buenos Aires-Bariloche, 1850 km.
Nowadays, works Buenos Aires- Bahía Blanca and Viedma- Bariloche. Out of work Viedma- Bahía Blanca, 240 km.
Hello dear, I'm argentine and live in Buenos Aires Province. I've enjoyed your video very much. Fortunately, after many years of abandoned trains, a couple of years they are being repaired and we have long distance services . I hope to travel them thruogth some day. Thankyou for your kind video, best regards!!
Argentinos have trains running in their veins. The whole civilization there is laid out rail-centrically, it is so fascinating and about the greatest rail heritage in the world. While I was following it on TH-cam last year there was a new line opened or extended like once a month, and work going on all the time. It'll be a wonder if a single state entity can manage all that growing all the time. Unlike the US it's been a shorter time since the collapse of rail in Argentina. People still remember some of the more practical aspects about trains, whereas we've forgotten and been deliberately misled. It all depends on being sandwiched between the Chinese willingness to help (too much?) and hopefully reasonableness of the government overseeing all this. I think they're doing it right. (One sign is every seat is taken whereas in Europe and US you see trains running around empty. All are subsidized so it doesn't matter.)
Great trains we'd like to see: I got a super scenario for high speed Buenos Aires-to-Rosario, whence the line splits at a new underground station in the eastern CBD and the branches proceed to the two famous old stations neither of which is currently used. (It's as if planned.) Then on in diverging directions. (I wish we'd seen the Tucuman station and it's potentially speedy approach. Super - though I've only seen it from Goggle Earth. Argentina's greatest potential for tons of trains, as long as they don't do to them what they did to us - and others - and them once already.)
Then the BIG ONE: Trans-con Montevideo, Sacramento, Once Sta Buenos Aires - several populous places along the broad gauge to near Mendosa. (I think I added a modernized leg through San Louis.) Then the crossing of the Andes in the belief the best route is near the old one (It's definitely shorter than that other one.) and - Santiago. One of the greatest trains in the world it would be. Like Berlin-Rome. NY-Chicago. LA-San Francisco - but not the way they're doin' it.
It was so good! Definately makes me yearn to travel on this route.
Thanks for the eye opener. I didn't know there were any long distance trains left in Argentina or South America!
There are several lines in South America. Most of them in Argentina.
Thankyou for this review. I appreciate your traveling in South America. Glad to be away from Europe and North America. Hope your travels are smooth.
Looks like an epic journey mate! The outside and the inside (especially the dining car 😁) looks awesome!!!
Absolutely love ur videos!!! Excellent quality 👌 👏👏👏
Hope you enjoyed your stay in Tucumán, my home. I haven't travel by train yet, but it's something I have in bucket list. Come back soon!!!
Falto la parte de la bienvenida ceremonial a piedrazos en rosario
Waooooo That look Like The Train 🚊 in Cuba 🇨🇺
Love it
The anxiety that goes through me when you have your phone outside the window........
I enjoyed your trip and liked the information, plus the map a big help.
Great work... Very nice with subtitles
Nice and fine. Enjoyed a lot
That was really really interesting, Thank You
Argentina went from being one of the countries with the greatest railway activity... to this. We have an incredible railway past, in my city (Rosario) most of the old buildings belonged to railway offices or locomotive workshops and all that, if you remove a bit of pavement from the streets, you will surely find the old rails. We have a rich past in trains, we were a world potence. And well... now we have a train that takes 8 hours to travel 300km. The only ones that still exist in abundance are cargo services because they carry cereals and grains to the ports, but as for passenger services, it seems that only now are they being activated again town by town and city by city, but even that they restore all the sections of rails... it's going to be a good time.
What is annoying is that people from other countries are surprised because we have passenger trains... we are not cavemen or aboriginals... we have cities as modern as any other in Europe or the USA. Remember that the majority of the Argentine population comes from Europe, we were the first Latin American country to have subways and other services at the beginning of the 20th century and before too. Watch some videos about the cities and places in Argentina to get to know a little better what our country is like, after all, we are the eighth largest country in the world, so there are many different regions in the same republic.
Good video going all that way. Greetings from Rosario
This happens due to the Peronist governments and the stupidity of the people that usually votes them.
8° país con las vías férreas más largas
❤ I always feel your emotions and especially on this trip. Thanks for taking me to places I am unilkely to ever visit. 👍 (I'm in England|)
Great video! One thing to note is that the real price of the trip is 10€ because of the parallel exchange rate
Interesting. EMD loco and a EOG setup (end on generator) setup. This is similar to what we have in India!!!… the EMD looks wonderful and so does the livery… easy on the eyes, and attractive…. By Indian standards, a journey of 32 hours is “THE norm”.. we have journeys which take double the time, even touching 70 hours, so this is way too short by our standards. 😊.. be it in IR(Indian railways) or even Pakistan railways (PR), they don’t have ensuite facilities.
7:42, interesting to see the rake being so solid. Reminds me of the times in IR when I travelled extensively in the LHB rakes and they too were fantastic!!!..
Ceres is also in Argentina?. I thought it was a South African city. Fabulous sunset!!!.. enjoyed the video, lovely!!!… great to see 1676 mm tracks!!!.. that’s something I love!!!.
Wow I love the horn sound :D; Wow the average speed in here is much slower than in vietnam, in here the speed is lower or equal 50km/h
3:39 can't mistake that *_EMD_* sound
Sigo aqui porque se me corto y no se como borrar lo ya escrito. Respecto a lo que dije sobre la informacion es hacer conocer que la Argentina, mi querido pais, tenia un desarrollo ferroviario superado por muy pocos paises en es mundo (creo que serian 5 o 6 a lo sumo). El total era de alrededor de los 50.000 Km. de 4 trochas: la mas extensa la de 1.767 (mas o menos), la segunda de 1,000 (mas desarrollada en el norte del pais), la tercera la de 1,500
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One very important detail. The prices you are giving are the official exchange. Which is a bad one, most tourist use the "blue" ratio, which is nearly double. This means that €240.
So everything is half the price that in this video.
Argentina is one of the cheapest places to visit today, and really worth it, not only because I'm Argentinian, but in comparison to other cheap countries, is the one that has more to offer, very versatile.
Thanks for coming!.
This seems like such an amazing experience! Much cooler than flying. I want to go too!!
Be brave and go...l tried to get to Bariloche.. failed... the line was in terrible condition.. only from BA to Bahia Blanca..good luck.
Awesome!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏻🇦🇷🇫🇷
What? You were in Argentina? Nice! I've never taken the train to Tucumán, but I've gone to Córdoba in one of the camarotes, and to Bahia Blanca on the "pullman" car. I'd love to travel more in sleeper trains but there aren't that many and it's difficult to get tickets for the rooms. For those trying to buy them, they usually "open up" the sale of the tickets the first few days of the month, say you want to travel in May, you should go to the website in early April to see when the tickets become available. If you want a camarote you need to buy it the same day they go on sale. I'll comment again when I finish watching the video, I have to go now.
Oh, did they tell you why they are leaving from the temporary station? It's awful, and the recently renewed Retiro station is so beautiful! I've also seen Constitución (where the trains to the South leave) and it is also beautiful.
Retiro Mitre station is having it's rails renewed and the jobs are due to end in 2024.
Retiro San Martin will be remodeled as a long distance terminal and Retiro Mitre will be the terminal of commuter train both from Mitre and San Martin Line
Very nice train report !
man, really nice to see you in South America! Since you've gone to Argentina, you could try the brazilian longest railway trip from Parauapebas (in the amazon rainforest) to San Luís, a 18h trip! that's a really wild trip!
So informative and amazing video dear friend! Subscribed your channel ✌🏼😃
Greetings from India 🇮🇳
Very cool video!
36 mph, that is about the speed of Amtrak trains! Enjoyed your video, thank you.
no, not miles! Kilometres
Informative and enjoyable. So many of us can travel nowhere due to Covid. Thank you.
If you continue in South America, you travel a Chilean Railway! My Birthplace!🚆 South American Empanadas are basically meat pies within some baked bread! Central Americans usually fry them, but down there they bake them! YUUUUMMMM! Reminds me so much of Chile except there are Mountian ranges throughout the Country!
LOVED it 💯❤
Great video!
"Into the Wild" - very appropriate. A great story too
I've traveled with these trains and they are pretty good
lucky to have gotten a ticket honestly, that route consistently sells out. I rode Cordoba-BsAs back in 2009 on FerroCentral in coach. Very cool ride, very bad sleep.
Very nice! Muchos Nachos!!
We don't eat nachos in Argentina. That food is from Mexico
very cool my friend !! love from cordoba cap.. argentinas train is the cheap travel economic transport but is trully bad conditions right now.. in the past was better than now.. lol
most enjoyable. thank you
South America is like another planet to many of us in North America, thanks for sharing it with us Thibault!
Your description of it looking like Oklahoma and the condition of the R.O.W. gives it a "Rock Island" vibe... you could've been riding the Argentine equivalent of the "Choctaw Rocket"... LOL!!!
Where are you from, Tim?
That is why South America is generally considered Third World while the US and Canada are Developed countries. This part of the globe indeed is another planet
You missed showing a bit of the city of Rosario, which has tall buildings around the "Rosario Norte" station! nice video
this is why train travel is the most comfortable way of travelling. Imagine all the things you would have missed when taking an airplane...
Totally agree with you while taken this train trip with Argentina railways, you see and enjoy the countryside of this enormous big country south of Urugauy and Brazil
@@martypatric1101 Actually it is also North of Uruguay
Enjoyed watching.
Dear...(I wonder if I missed your name in the credits...?!?), thank you for yet another wonderful train journey in Argentina...A humble suggestion: The colour of the subtitles could change, alternately, so we know as we are doing 2 things at the same time, watching and reading, so as not to miss the sights & the commentary!!! Keep travelling buddy...Cheers from Bangalore.
Just in case, my name has nothing to do with the Argentinian town depicted.
In the 80s I travelled between Buenos Aires and Mendoza by train, an almost as long a journey. The service was as nice as you described, but the equipment was not.
I thought you were very kind and diplomatic describing/evaluating the equipment, particularly coming from the land of the TGV, and from Europe in general, where I used many trains, including the Train Hotel between Madrid and Paris.
Finally, after spending one month in Buenos Aires at work, I found the people to be very kind, very gentle. I also spent time with some people from Rio Negro and found that the people from the Argentina`s provinces are amazingly cordial, friendly, and open.
At 9:11 that food is called Pirakiya in Bihar , Jharkhand and Gujia in North West India. My mom makes this and is exactly in Argentina.
Very nice and really a very good experience for everybody. Greetings from a Railway fan from Greece.
Love your reports! Don’t even try others anymore. Big 😊!
Boa viagem simply gostei 👍 boa noite ai boenos aires show lindo 🚆 🚉 🛤 trem
Beautiful train ride!
Argentine railways can learn a lot from the Indian Railways as the needs and problems of both the systems are some what the same.
However the Indian Railways have modernised a lot in the last 25years or so but still there is scope for more improvement.
You are doing great job 👏
very clean and green countryside
Thanx for the journey.👍💕✌