True! And he said he understand how hard it can be to build a team (draft or trade) without messing up. *But* he said in french *that he didn't want to wait 7 years to [be able to] win.* No rush yes, no need to make desperate trades, but still don't sleep completly.
last few games, his face says different, his teammates aren't developing with him. they are decent players, they just make the same mistakes over and over.
This is a guy that grew up watching LeBron and KD leave and join superteams to win a championship. Those guys are not respected for doing that. I think he understands that if he is able to build and win a championship in S.A. it will be worth so much more. Of course if they don't do right by him, he has every right to leave. I don't see that happening. This team might be better than their record shows. They have built up large leads against good teams. They just haven't been consistent enough. I think they're going to surprise people by how fast they start winning the same way OKC did this year.
Wemby has also said he wants to win and compete for Championship soon. You can see on his press conference how frustrated he is after losses. I’m sure his also frustrated that every month he keeps improving and getting better and his a rookie but his teammates are not. They keep doing the same boneheaded mistakes.
ESPN again with the "Wemby wants to win right now, this is like Lebron, trade everyone right now!!". When in reality Wemby keeps saying "I want to win in San Antonio, I love this organization, I love our process, I love my teammates, I love my coach. I want to win HERE"
@horai8256 did you see how happy he was when he was drafted? 😅 plus he is from france he is friends with parker and tells him about the organization. its a good thing wemby is matured and more than that, and not american. because you know how american players behave.
How are those things contradictory? He wants to win in San Antonio so they should build around him. Plus 1) it's the fans I see most often complain about Wemby's teammates and 2) every star says they're happy in their situation what do you expect from them? 3) it's the fans that crucify a player when they don't win a ring or don't have playoff success.
@horai8256it's a brain dead narrative to push 5 months into his first season though, and anyone who doesn't understand that is an idiot. You bring up Lebron, pushing to win immediately is exactly what the Cavs did in Lebron's first stint with Boozer and Shaq, and it backfired because it's an idiots strategy. Stop shilling.
Always understand this, The San Antonio Spurs are more relevant to French players than the Lakers and Knicks EVER will be. Big markets here mean nothing to Euros because they don’t call the United States home.
Yes! The NBA should appreciate the loyalty of Euros like Dirk, Tony Parker, Luka, Joker, Wemby, Giannis, way more, because Euros avoid boring winning of buddy buddy super teams in big markets, getting way too much "help" by referees to push them over the hump to make tons of tv - money, selling tons of merch etc . Loyal european players without any podcast stuff, without social media issues, keep it real and keep the sports aspect alive in the NBA.
@@Marco-uh5zn Exactly, Euro NBA players got way more dawg in them than Americans nowadays. It’s a completely different mindset, plus none of these Europeans care about being in the biggest media markets because what does that matter to them when they mostly live overseas during the offseason?
I hate how little ESPN knows about the other Spurs players. Devin Vassell is a super talented 3 level scorer who will average 25 ppg with 50/40/90 splits in his career. Keldon Johnson is one of the highest value deals in the league cause he is super team friendly and signed a deal like that. Jeremy Sochan had players last year say he will be a snicky all star and that he feels more like Kawhi than Draymond, and he went from not being able to shoot at all entering the league to now being an okay shooter in a year and a half. Oh also Sochan is 20, just 6 months older than Webmy, in reality the Spurs have 6 players 20-21 years old, all of which are developing by the best system in the NBA. Not every player you draft needs to be the greatest ever, some can be your role players of the future that know how to fit around Wemby. The Spurs are building a dynasty
I'm sorry to say to you as a Spurs fan myself, but *Sochan* is still *far from okay* at shooting. He shoot >5% below League average on wide open 3. Just to be average. Not good! And his shooting form is way to slow to be able to shoot on anything but wide open.
Vassel and Keldon can't defend, at all. Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know much about them... And no, Vassell is not a 25 ppg 50/40/90. He will disappear for long stretches or chuck contested shots most of the time.
I’m a die hard spurs fan , but you’re wrong about Devin. He should doing better. He’s way too inconsistent on offense and his defense is below average. Keldon, samething. Inconsistent and can’t play defense. Sochan this is his 2nd year his super young so let’s see what he turns out to be year 4.
I like how that one analyst told Windy about all the plethora of valuable picks and players the spurs have at their disposal but Windy just glosses over it and says "Oh yeah whatever". So dumb.
This is such a stupid argument. The Spurs rebuilt their roster around Duncan twice without big trades (once when Robinson was winding down his career and they brought Manu/Parker, and once as the big 3 was aging they brought multiple players in without trades to build the 2013-14 Spurs). If you can do it with Duncan you can do it with Wemby too. The picks they will get in the next 2 years (possibly up to 6 draft picks) will be the core of the team along with the current team and Wemby
@@samariohoward6298 they traded for Kawhi in the draft . George Hill to Indy for the 15th pick in the draft . No one knew Kawhi was going to be that good not even the Spurs
Oh no another ESPN podcast where they push for the Spurs to trade for a mediocre all star to rush the process of building a dynasty in San Antonio. Gonna be a rough watch
Yeah and then they made a bunch of hints to "Wemby wants to win now" "All of lebrons teammates were gone in 4 years" "Who knows if anyone but Devin is gonna be on the team". They say one thing but then hint at a whole other narrative they are pushing with no real substance@@DavidGolic
I have noticed that in the last two weeks they have been pushing for the spurs to make a right now trade instead of building through the draft like they usually do, they’re literally halfway through the season with windy and they’re already talking about. They need to go for a playoff deep push next year. How does that make any sense when the Spurs start going for a championship push half of these players that are on this team won’t even be on there no more.
I hate listenining to Bontemps talk about Wemby...Wemby is trying to win in San Antonio he want to win but bro is trying to be a Legend he wants to go through all this and bring the Spurs out of it...I feel like leaving San Antonio to win because they're losing would make him feel like more of a failure than staying there and losing
Haven't finished the video yet, so if there is a correction at some point, that's cool, but I want to set the record straight about the Thunder rebuild. The Thunder were not terrible for "several, several years" after the Paul George trade. They made the playoffs the year after the trade in the Bubble Season before blowing up the team. They were bad for a grand total of 2 years after that before becoming a 40-win team last season. A two year rebuild is not what I would call being bad for several years. The Thunder were not The Process 76ers.
Windy: "Lebron had 1 teammate from his first year after 4 years" Tim: "Yeah but that was a terrible rebuild that led to Lebron leaving after 8 years" Windy: "Still" Jesus I want to like you all but as a Spurs fan this level of idiocy is really tough to handle. If you want Wemby to take the Lebron over the Duncan path so ESPN can make more money just say that and stop pretending
Victor has a good shot to be the greatest player ever. He is just gonna get better and better and once some other good players come, the spurs will be hard to beat.
They are right where they need to be. They will get Spurs type free agents, we know that all players aren’t meant for their system. They will draft well.
I have more faith in Coach Pop's process than I do in any silly media narrative building. However, if you want great context on that kind of content, in my opinion, this is a great podcast and crew to find it. Windy is one of the great mediators out there.
This man also forgets to talk about Chuck Person and Sean Elliot being injured almost all season in 1997. Not just Robinson. The whole Spurs team was injured a lot that season.
ESPN and Brian here are trying really hard to desperately find the narrative that Victor gets upset and leaves San Antonio and ends up in a bigger market team. You can hear him trying so hard to start the fire
It's crazy cus u can tell victor hates bigger markets and all the media attention. He loves the attention from fans of his or the spurs but he hated the media circus in Vegas. He's the complete opposite type of guy than ESPN wants him to be, he's just confident but they assume cus of that he's prone to being a diva which he isn't at all and has only said he wants to be competitive not win right now, which people don't realize because of their record but the spurs have lost a lot of their games in their very last few possessions they could easily be a 30 win team instead of a 15 win team rn.
A little more on the pels game Friday against the clippers from Zion. A 34 piece where he scored 16 in the 3rd and he played the entire 3rd btw. That’s a big deal for him.
‘Talked about wanting to be on a more competitive team’ - when??? Dude just making things up. Wemby hasn’t said that. All he says is how much he loves being in San Antonio and being a Spur
Tim Duncan was a generational player and the best player we ever signed in free agency was Lamarcus Aldridge and that was when the Big 3 were past their primes and as just a Kawhi really took off. Ita not realistic for us to sign free agents.
Yeah but we actually had a ton of interest from quite a few all stars the only thing that stopped us from trading or signing them was literally the kawhi drama. We were kds 3rd option and would've been 2nd if the Celtics didn't take Tom Brady into their meeting, pg wanted to be traded here, we were actually cp3s first choice over the rockets. LeBron even inquired with the FO when he was a FA, even going back years Kobe wanted to be traded here. This off season dame even implied on Twitter that he was interested in being trade here after we got wemby and now Trae Young wants to be traded here. Even tho we haven't signed multiple big FA's we've received a ton of interest from major stars over the years
Spurs are in the best position to rebuild. They have a generational talent in wemby good young players in vessel and sohan. An absurd amount of draft picks including one this year that looks like it will be top 5. Oh and a hof coach. As a Portland fan I'd trade places in a heart beat.
If you could combine traits of NBA talents to make the perfect basketball player, what would you choose? I'd go Kyrie's skills (handle/finishing), with Steph's shooting, Steven Adams' strength, in Giannis' body, with MJ's competitive spirit, with Magic's passing/playmaking, LeBron's dedication, Dominique's vertical, Fox's speed, with Stockton's basketball IQ, and Robert Horry's clutch factor. Curious to hear what you guys think!
Let's be honest, Spurs fans are nervous he will leave...this pod is leaning into that heavy which makes it worse. On top of that Wemby has repeatedly stated he wants to win and is not looking to wait ages for a rebuild in a market that does not historically attract stars.
There's obviously a pretty big difference between Wemby expressing dissatisfaction with 'losing' in the general sense (shock-horror - an elite athlete doesn't enjoy losing), and being dissatisfied with your franchise.
Pop said "This year is about learning, next year is about winning..." That being said, having watched EVERY game this year, it feels as if The Spurs could have won more this year. Vic wants to be on The Spurs, and has NEVER said otherwise... He has also said that he wants to be the guy to return The Spurs to prominence.
Like it or not, the Spurs have so many draft picks that they will HAVE to trade for players. They cannot possibly use all their draft picks, there are only so many spots on the roster. And it should be noted that they never were in that situation before, but they accumulated draft picks on purpose. The Spurs will acquire players through trades, it's inevitable.
I have always enjoyed Tim Bontemps's insight and experience, but he needs to stop cutting people off. Multiple times he is cutting of Windhorst and it's ruining the flow of this 3 man conversation.
The pod needs the tension of having Bontemps, Macmahon and Windy on the show imo. Entertaining to watch Bontemps and Macmahon battling each other, not being best friends, but both making good points, while Windy is trying to deescalate to tie the thing together.
This is Wemby’s team not Pops. Pop and the Spurs now know that. I expect the Spurs to be a playoff team next year by keeping Vassel and upgrading the rest of the roster. Spurs are on the clock. Vic wants a trophy badly.
If the spurs get matas buzelis in this draft, they're going in the right direction. A perfect forward running mate to wemby. Sky's the limit for that pair.
This is the dumbest argument n I’m not a Spurs fan but I respect the heck out that organization You guys are sitting here manufacturing an argument that Wemby is losing patience and comparing it to Lebron in his first Cleveland Cavaliers stint NEWSFLASH THERES NO COMPARISON!!!!! Believe it or not as much as Bomtemps annoys me with his voice he made a sound point of not making irrational trades to rush the process Also and by the way yeah this 2024 NBA draft is a weaker draft in terms of a franchise ceiling raiser blue chip type player however, there’s still talent in his draft. There’s complementary talent in the draft meaning that you can find maybe a secondary star to pair with Wembanyama or complement him the San Antonio Spurs. Just need to do what they’ve always done being lockstep with Wembanyama let him know that they intend on building around him to the best of their building, and they intend on competing down the line, but you can’t skip a bunch of steps because you want to fit a narrative I love the podcast but the first 30 minutes of this podcast on this particular episode was a complete waste of time SMH 🤦🏿♂️
Getting Trae in a trade would be big. Hope they can get some good players in this draft and if somehow they get the #1 pick this year try to do everything to get a top 5-6 player. Maybe Gianna if bucks get kicked out in round one.
How do these so called professionals not understand the difference between okc rebuild and the spurs? Spurs won 5 chips and all of their hall of famers retired (cough Tony Parker cough). Okc had 3 mvps who all were disgruntled at one time or another and left because they never won anything. Those mvps were traded for other superstars and those superstars were traded for young stars and picks.
Wemby has some serious Dwight Howard energy. The Cavs messed up pushing from the start with Lebron. The Mavs messed up pushing fron the start with Luka. You want to have a couple years to draft with your genrational talent.
I would suggest that what they really talking about the luka mavs situation. It is about threading the needle. They need to be persuade Victor to be patient to wait for the 2025 draft. Getting the second star is difficult. Unless someone gets frustrated, it will be difficult to get someone. SA have to be careful to not waste their resources or end up like Dallas unless their copying is grabbing Luka. Luka made Dallas too good too early, so they could not draft low. Wemby could do the same for SA. Also dallas messed up with brunson.
Victor has time, he is happiest to be at the spurs! He will continue to progress while giving the team time to build itself. The spurs have so many assets to succeed in their construction. Lots of draft picks, a few tradable players (keldon johnson, collins) and a lot of money for free agency. They can very easily continue to wait, select 2 new young players this summer, and also see the 2025 NBA draft. And after the draft in 2025 go get someone in free agency. Will be free Devonte Graham (12 million), Tre Jones (9M). And they will have good contracts to release in trades like Keldon Johnson (17M), Collins (18M). On NBA 2k the reconstruction of the spurs is way too easy :) So just one more season to wait to really move up a gear to become competitive as a team for the 2025-2026 season. They just need to succeed in making the right choices of players to put around Victor Wembanyama. I'm sure all the other franchises would dream of being in this seat, even the OKC !
Of course Spurs can wait and slowly rebuild but you can argue with player that special you might need to treat it differently. He is already a top 20-25 player which is really rare to see in the NBA history just like Luka they are that good even they are so young they want to play meaningful games not tanking I think . I’m not saying I know more than Spurs GM but I do believe you can upgrade the roster to a level which you can fighting for playoffs. Playoffs bruises are real the sooner you experienced the sooner you get close a title that’s my opinion. I don’t know if other stars would want to join Spurs in offseason but that’s a route you can explore. Wemby won’t say anything but he clearly want to be in a team not expect to lose it’s depressing you know you didn’t have a chance to win. As a basketball fan I selfishly want to see Spurs adding pieces this offseason.
This is what happens when you have hacks from the east coast and west coast trying to talk about whats good for a mid/small market team down here in south Texas. lol Concentrate on yall's NY Knicks, they havent won championship since 1973! Stay away from our Spurs and Wemby. He's a Spurs for years to come!
Only VW and DV will be on big contracts in 2 years of the current team - only have so much money and can only pay so many veterans big money. The year VW gets the BIG payday and biggest contract in nba will be an interesting year for budget management but of course sas will be well planned for the economics of that year. Next big money will need to be a point guard. So KJ and JS are probably going to have to go for upcoming lesser salaried players..simply because no team can have 4-5 mega salaried players - unless these players are willing to take less money so... not likely.
Never build around a player.. they get to much power. You build a great team that play basketball together and not just pass it to the super star. 12-14 spurs showed that teamwork is better. Stop thinking Victor can do it all..
Pop should draft Bronny James... you can probably get him with a late 1st, or 2nd round pick. Even if LBJ doesn't join next year, Bron wants to play with his son, and there is no better coaching for Bronny than Pop. 💯💯💯 Also go after Trae Young... he throws lobs at a CRAZY rate. Webenyama would feast. Its why the Lakers want him to set up Davis.
Victor is at a 4th dimension. Your arguments move in a 3 dimensional one. For you it’s a contradiction how the Spurs traditionally moved to build teams and what you hear from Victor. You are basing your arguments on your limited perspective and can’t see how Victor will elevate Spurs approach to new realms
Can we PLEASE show defensive highlights/sequences when we're talking about a team's defensive stretch? Why am I watching a Jalen Brunson middie while hearing "they are holding opponents to..."?
Wendy spouting big nonsense today. The logic of they never did does not mean they won't do it...Plus OKC lucked into SGA being great, plus some good drafts, which is like buying a lottery ticket
Wemby would have been godly with literally any all-star caliber player. The problem is usually the team that gets the #1 pick (you know, from being pure dog**** the year prior) doesn't normally have any. This is no different than saying Wemby would have been godly with Lebron!! Like no duh.
wemby coverage is almost as annoying at lakers & warriors at this point. shut it down until ROY comes out and start again next year when the spurs might not be the worst team in the conference :D
The Spurs only have 4 guaranteed years of Wemby given his rookie contract. After that, if he's eligible for a supermax extension with ither teams than the spurs, he'll defintely be looking for a situation where he can win. The Spurs have to do enough in these 4 years and be competitive enough to make him stay. The days of Tim Duncan where stars stayed with their team is long gone. I'm not sure 4 years is enough to build through the draft and get resukts, especially after year 1 is essentially over.
No max salary Rookie in the history of the NBA have decline their extension because you would be loosing potencially tens of millions of dollars from just the first contract.
@@themsuicjunkiesIf Wemby's eligible for a max extension with other teams he'll look at all his options for sure which is why the Spurs have to improve fast in the next 3 years, It's hard to go from last place to contenders in that time span if, like in the video, they build through the draft.
Need two superstars - unless you are Dirk. Only one current all star on the 2011 team, Dirk. Some former all stars on their last legs and one very big heart. Beat Lakers going for a three-peat, Young Thunder with KD, Westbrook and Harden, then the three superstar Heat.
Brian my friend there is a Kid in Europe already play some minutes in EuroLeague at PG i see some DraftExtperts already doubting how it translate to NBA but you can ask some Serbs you met in Manilla the Kid is for Real
I know who you are talking about His name is Nikola Topic and he is really good. The Spurs going to draft him to pair with Victor. Kid’s 18 and Victor is 20. In 3 years they will be contenders
@@blablablaa14Honestly not a lot of luck. This year they will likely have a top 3 pick. Next year they might have 4 firsts. all of them likely being lottery. Bulls and Hawks aint going no where. They could win the lottery or trade up.
They could trade up, but the question is who is the team that is stupid enough to take lets say the 10th, 5th, and 15th pick for the 2nd pick in the draft so the Spurs could draft Flagg? Its possible but not necessarily likely@@Shortballa11
and last point, maybe, just maybe Orlando's offense was horrible against the Knicks in their last game because....the Knicks defense made it difficult to have a good offensive game??? lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol
...I think the spurs are waisting the picks if they don't trade them...I don't think the spurs will be this bad next season. ..and what if the hawks make the playoffs next season...trade the hawks picks and gamble on trae young... we're still going to get a top 3 pick this year at worst top 5 and might get the raptors pick...I would trade the picks...I don't think the spurs could afford another bad season next year without wemby saying something and the relationship between them goes bad...with vassell sochan and this picks years picks plus wemby... we'll be ok...build around wemby now
Wemby has expressly said he understands the process (waiting) and he’s on board with it.
True! And he said he understand how hard it can be to build a team (draft or trade) without messing up.
*But* he said in french *that he didn't want to wait 7 years to [be able to] win.*
No rush yes, no need to make desperate trades, but still don't sleep completly.
last few games, his face says different, his teammates aren't developing with him.
they are decent players, they just make the same mistakes over and over.
@@akui88 Your Face reading is a complete BS. 😄
This is a guy that grew up watching LeBron and KD leave and join superteams to win a championship. Those guys are not respected for doing that. I think he understands that if he is able to build and win a championship in S.A. it will be worth so much more. Of course if they don't do right by him, he has every right to leave. I don't see that happening. This team might be better than their record shows. They have built up large leads against good teams. They just haven't been consistent enough. I think they're going to surprise people by how fast they start winning the same way OKC did this year.
Wemby has also said he wants to win and compete for Championship soon. You can see on his press conference how frustrated he is after losses. I’m sure his also frustrated that every month he keeps improving and getting better and his a rookie but his teammates are not. They keep doing the same boneheaded mistakes.
ESPN again with the "Wemby wants to win right now, this is like Lebron, trade everyone right now!!". When in reality Wemby keeps saying "I want to win in San Antonio, I love this organization, I love our process, I love my teammates, I love my coach. I want to win HERE"
@horai8256 did you see how happy he was when he was drafted? 😅 plus he is from france he is friends with parker and tells him about the organization. its a good thing wemby is matured and more than that, and not american. because you know how american players behave.
How are those things contradictory? He wants to win in San Antonio so they should build around him. Plus 1) it's the fans I see most often complain about Wemby's teammates and 2) every star says they're happy in their situation what do you expect from them? 3) it's the fans that crucify a player when they don't win a ring or don't have playoff success.
@@mindgamesesports5090yeah Americans are always immature and behave badly, unlike models of behavior like Tony Parker or Luka.
@horai8256it's a brain dead narrative to push 5 months into his first season though, and anyone who doesn't understand that is an idiot. You bring up Lebron, pushing to win immediately is exactly what the Cavs did in Lebron's first stint with Boozer and Shaq, and it backfired because it's an idiots strategy. Stop shilling.
Man, you're gonna be pissed when Wemby puts on a Lakers' jersey.
Just another video from ESPN showing me I’m so glad they aren’t in charge of the front office in SA
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Always understand this, The San Antonio Spurs are more relevant to French players than the Lakers and Knicks EVER will be. Big markets here mean nothing to Euros because they don’t call the United States home.
Yes! The NBA should appreciate the loyalty of Euros like Dirk, Tony Parker, Luka, Joker, Wemby, Giannis, way more, because Euros avoid boring winning of buddy buddy super teams in big markets, getting way too much "help" by referees to push them over the hump to make tons of tv - money, selling tons of merch etc . Loyal european players without any podcast stuff, without social media issues, keep it real and keep the sports aspect alive in the NBA.
@@Marco-uh5zn Exactly, Euro NBA players got way more dawg in them than Americans nowadays. It’s a completely different mindset, plus none of these Europeans care about being in the biggest media markets because what does that matter to them when they mostly live overseas during the offseason?
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The spurs do know more than you. We have more reason to trust how they decide to handle Vic, than any of y’all. Fun convo tho.
Andrew Lopez goes from coaching high school basketball at Holy Cross High in NOLA to getting major time on ESPN. Way to go guy.
Media trying to bullying the spurs is hilarious
I hate how little ESPN knows about the other Spurs players. Devin Vassell is a super talented 3 level scorer who will average 25 ppg with 50/40/90 splits in his career. Keldon Johnson is one of the highest value deals in the league cause he is super team friendly and signed a deal like that. Jeremy Sochan had players last year say he will be a snicky all star and that he feels more like Kawhi than Draymond, and he went from not being able to shoot at all entering the league to now being an okay shooter in a year and a half. Oh also Sochan is 20, just 6 months older than Webmy, in reality the Spurs have 6 players 20-21 years old, all of which are developing by the best system in the NBA. Not every player you draft needs to be the greatest ever, some can be your role players of the future that know how to fit around Wemby. The Spurs are building a dynasty
They even pronounce devins last name wrong very disrespectful
I'm sorry to say to you as a Spurs fan myself, but *Sochan* is still *far from okay* at shooting. He shoot >5% below League average on wide open 3. Just to be average. Not good!
And his shooting form is way to slow to be able to shoot on anything but wide open.
Vassel and Keldon can't defend, at all. Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know much about them...
And no, Vassell is not a 25 ppg 50/40/90. He will disappear for long stretches or chuck contested shots most of the time.
Agreed....
I’m a die hard spurs fan , but you’re wrong about Devin. He should doing better. He’s way too inconsistent on offense and his defense is below average. Keldon, samething. Inconsistent and can’t play defense. Sochan this is his 2nd year his super young so let’s see what he turns out to be year 4.
I like how that one analyst told Windy about all the plethora of valuable picks and players the spurs have at their disposal but Windy just glosses over it and says "Oh yeah whatever". So dumb.
This is such a stupid argument. The Spurs rebuilt their roster around Duncan twice without big trades (once when Robinson was winding down his career and they brought Manu/Parker, and once as the big 3 was aging they brought multiple players in without trades to build the 2013-14 Spurs). If you can do it with Duncan you can do it with Wemby too. The picks they will get in the next 2 years (possibly up to 6 draft picks) will be the core of the team along with the current team and Wemby
facts, they are making one of the dumbest arguments. Spurs are in the best possible position.
Except the big trade for 2x Finals mvp Kawhi
@@samariohoward6298 they traded for Kawhi in the draft . George Hill to Indy for the 15th pick in the draft . No one knew Kawhi was going to be that good not even the Spurs
Yeah wouldn't call it big when most teams saw Kawhi is at best a 3 and D guy. George Hill wasn't some giant trade piece @@samariohoward6298
tbf Kawhi was a trade. On draft day yes, but still a trade.
Bontemps is a certified spurs HATER. it’s cool tho, he’ll come around eventually 💯
I hate bontemps
I can see why the Mavs hate that guy. Dude offers nothing but talks like he is offering insight
Bontemps is useless. He still thinks Chet is ROTY.
USWB = Bontemps
Couldn’t care less if he comes around or doesn’t. He should stay on that side
Oh no another ESPN podcast where they push for the Spurs to trade for a mediocre all star to rush the process of building a dynasty in San Antonio. Gonna be a rough watch
As a pels fan it happened with Zion lmao. ESPN is so shameless
Did you even listen to what they said?
Because they have specifically said they should not with Windy even using the Lebron 03 04 argument...
Yeah and then they made a bunch of hints to "Wemby wants to win now" "All of lebrons teammates were gone in 4 years" "Who knows if anyone but Devin is gonna be on the team". They say one thing but then hint at a whole other narrative they are pushing with no real substance@@DavidGolic
I have noticed that in the last two weeks they have been pushing for the spurs to make a right now trade instead of building through the draft like they usually do, they’re literally halfway through the season with windy and they’re already talking about. They need to go for a playoff deep push next year. How does that make any sense when the Spurs start going for a championship push half of these players that are on this team won’t even be on there no more.
@@blablablaa14 as did Wemby himself - that is what they are basing it on.
I hate listenining to Bontemps talk about Wemby...Wemby is trying to win in San Antonio he want to win but bro is trying to be a Legend he wants to go through all this and bring the Spurs out of it...I feel like leaving San Antonio to win because they're losing would make him feel like more of a failure than staying there and losing
Bontemps the biggest spurs hater
Facts hate it or love it the KD situation is a cautionary tale to a level
Facts - International players dgaf about ‘big markets.’ Wemby gonna be a Spurs for life
@horai8256 You assuming he gone be losing because of his rookie season...I just believe in dude he really that good
Haven't finished the video yet, so if there is a correction at some point, that's cool, but I want to set the record straight about the Thunder rebuild.
The Thunder were not terrible for "several, several years" after the Paul George trade. They made the playoffs the year after the trade in the Bubble Season before blowing up the team. They were bad for a grand total of 2 years after that before becoming a 40-win team last season. A two year rebuild is not what I would call being bad for several years. The Thunder were not The Process 76ers.
Yes & yes. The Thunder rebuild has become a myth on to itself & the Spurs should not be trying to replicate it.
Windy: "Lebron had 1 teammate from his first year after 4 years"
Tim: "Yeah but that was a terrible rebuild that led to Lebron leaving after 8 years"
Windy: "Still"
Jesus I want to like you all but as a Spurs fan this level of idiocy is really tough to handle. If you want Wemby to take the Lebron over the Duncan path so ESPN can make more money just say that and stop pretending
ESPN wants him in LA so bad 😂
Exactly
Victor has a good shot to be the greatest player ever. He is just gonna get better and better and once some other good players come, the spurs will be hard to beat.
23:00 this dude just completely created a new narrative 😂😂😂😂 I cannot believe these people
The thunder were only terrible for a couple of years. They made the playoffs in the bubble and were surprisingly decent last year
They are right where they need to be. They will get Spurs type free agents, we know that all players aren’t meant for their system. They will draft well.
I have more faith in Coach Pop's process than I do in any silly media narrative building. However, if you want great context on that kind of content, in my opinion, this is a great podcast and crew to find it. Windy is one of the great mediators out there.
This man also forgets to talk about Chuck Person and Sean Elliot being injured almost all season in 1997. Not just Robinson. The whole Spurs team was injured a lot that season.
ESPN and Brian here are trying really hard to desperately find the narrative that Victor gets upset and leaves San Antonio and ends up in a bigger market team. You can hear him trying so hard to start the fire
It's crazy cus u can tell victor hates bigger markets and all the media attention. He loves the attention from fans of his or the spurs but he hated the media circus in Vegas. He's the complete opposite type of guy than ESPN wants him to be, he's just confident but they assume cus of that he's prone to being a diva which he isn't at all and has only said he wants to be competitive not win right now, which people don't realize because of their record but the spurs have lost a lot of their games in their very last few possessions they could easily be a 30 win team instead of a 15 win team rn.
A little more on the pels game Friday against the clippers from Zion. A 34 piece where he scored 16 in the 3rd and he played the entire 3rd btw. That’s a big deal for him.
He had a great weekend.
‘Talked about wanting to be on a more competitive team’ - when??? Dude just making things up. Wemby hasn’t said that. All he says is how much he loves being in San Antonio and being a Spur
Tyus jones on a full MLE multi year could be a good idea to sign for SAS this summer
We literally have his little brother who's just as efficient a passer if not more so a great defender for his size and has a much higher ceiling
The difference Wendy is SGA is great, but Wemby is generational. Whole different thing
It’s irrelevant considering most of the GOATS were not seen as “generational”
Also they said Zion was generational too and look how that’s going
Tim Duncan was a generational player and the best player we ever signed in free agency was Lamarcus Aldridge and that was when the Big 3 were past their primes and as just a Kawhi really took off.
Ita not realistic for us to sign free agents.
True and also Richard Jefferson and Pau Gasol past his prime, too lol
Yeah but we actually had a ton of interest from quite a few all stars the only thing that stopped us from trading or signing them was literally the kawhi drama. We were kds 3rd option and would've been 2nd if the Celtics didn't take Tom Brady into their meeting, pg wanted to be traded here, we were actually cp3s first choice over the rockets. LeBron even inquired with the FO when he was a FA, even going back years Kobe wanted to be traded here. This off season dame even implied on Twitter that he was interested in being trade here after we got wemby and now Trae Young wants to be traded here. Even tho we haven't signed multiple big FA's we've received a ton of interest from major stars over the years
Spurs are in the best position to rebuild. They have a generational talent in wemby good young players in vessel and sohan. An absurd amount of draft picks including one this year that looks like it will be top 5. Oh and a hof coach. As a Portland fan I'd trade places in a heart beat.
If you could combine traits of NBA talents to make the perfect basketball player, what would you choose? I'd go Kyrie's skills (handle/finishing), with Steph's shooting, Steven Adams' strength, in Giannis' body, with MJ's competitive spirit, with Magic's passing/playmaking, LeBron's dedication, Dominique's vertical, Fox's speed, with Stockton's basketball IQ, and Robert Horry's clutch factor. Curious to hear what you guys think!
Jkidds Passing and IQ
Jordan's Athleticism and finishing
Stephs Shooting
Hakeems defense
and Kareems interior finishing package.
Lebrons body ofcourse
...and all this has done Victor Wembanyama
They want Wemby in NYC, LA or Miami so bad.
Same as they wanted for Zion & Anthony Davis. Lakers got a Bubble Championship out of it for LeBron.
Same with Giannis (Milwaukee) who ended up staying there and winning the 2021 NBA title.
Let's be honest, Spurs fans are nervous he will leave...this pod is leaning into that heavy which makes it worse. On top of that Wemby has repeatedly stated he wants to win and is not looking to wait ages for a rebuild in a market that does not historically attract stars.
Last time I ever watch this podcast
There's obviously a pretty big difference between Wemby expressing dissatisfaction with 'losing' in the general sense (shock-horror - an elite athlete doesn't enjoy losing), and being dissatisfied with your franchise.
Pop said "This year is about learning, next year is about winning..." That being said, having watched EVERY game this year, it feels as if The Spurs could have won more this year. Vic wants to be on The Spurs, and has NEVER said otherwise... He has also said that he wants to be the guy to return The Spurs to prominence.
Keep Victor, Jeremy, Devin, Keldon, and Sidy to build around.
Like it or not, the Spurs have so many draft picks that they will HAVE to trade for players. They cannot possibly use all their draft picks, there are only so many spots on the roster. And it should be noted that they never were in that situation before, but they accumulated draft picks on purpose. The Spurs will acquire players through trades, it's inevitable.
I have always enjoyed Tim Bontemps's insight and experience, but he needs to stop cutting people off. Multiple times he is cutting of Windhorst and it's ruining the flow of this 3 man conversation.
The pod needs the tension of having Bontemps, Macmahon and Windy on the show imo. Entertaining to watch Bontemps and Macmahon battling each other, not being best friends, but both making good points, while Windy is trying to deescalate to tie the thing together.
I trust pop 1000000000% more than I trust espn analysts lmao
Not watching windy again clearly he is biased
Go Pels!!!!!!!!!
This is Wemby’s team not Pops. Pop and the Spurs now know that. I expect the Spurs to be a playoff team next year by keeping Vassel and upgrading the rest of the roster. Spurs are on the clock. Vic wants a trophy badly.
If the spurs get matas buzelis in this draft, they're going in the right direction. A perfect forward running mate to wemby. Sky's the limit for that pair.
This is the dumbest argument n I’m not a Spurs fan but I respect the heck out that organization You guys are sitting here manufacturing an argument that Wemby is losing patience and comparing it to Lebron in his first Cleveland Cavaliers stint NEWSFLASH THERES NO COMPARISON!!!!! Believe it or not as much as Bomtemps annoys me with his voice he made a sound point of not making irrational trades to rush the process Also and by the way yeah this 2024 NBA draft is a weaker draft in terms of a franchise ceiling raiser blue chip type player however, there’s still talent in his draft. There’s complementary talent in the draft meaning that you can find maybe a secondary star to pair with Wembanyama or complement him the San Antonio Spurs. Just need to do what they’ve always done being lockstep with Wembanyama let him know that they intend on building around him to the best of their building, and they intend on competing down the line, but you can’t skip a bunch of steps because you want to fit a narrative I love the podcast but the first 30 minutes of this podcast on this particular episode was a complete waste of time SMH 🤦🏿♂️
ESPN is deteriorating
4 years maybe. So many needs but the casual observers still think they’re building a dynasty.
Getting Trae in a trade would be big. Hope they can get some good players in this draft and if somehow they get the #1 pick this year try to do everything to get a top 5-6 player. Maybe Gianna if bucks get kicked out in round one.
Time to compete and surround him with Vets.
How do these so called professionals not understand the difference between okc rebuild and the spurs? Spurs won 5 chips and all of their hall of famers retired (cough Tony Parker cough). Okc had 3 mvps who all were disgruntled at one time or another and left because they never won anything. Those mvps were traded for other superstars and those superstars were traded for young stars and picks.
Still TP is a reason why most French people (and Wemby) have a soft spot for SA Spurs
@@alexcastvix8823 oh spurs fans absolutely still love Tony. We don’t acknowledge the one year in Charlotte.
I love all my spurs equally. this is hard to listen to if you’re spurs lifer.
Leon Rose saved my life
I’m so glad everyone in the comments is in agreement with how stupid ESPN is.
Cam Thomas, Darius Garland, JDub, Anfernee Simmons, Bol Bol, Lu Dort
So no comment from our media rep about wemby being patient?
Wemby has some serious Dwight Howard energy.
The Cavs messed up pushing from the start with Lebron. The Mavs messed up pushing fron the start with Luka.
You want to have a couple years to draft with your genrational talent.
I would suggest that what they really talking about the luka mavs situation. It is about threading the needle. They need to be persuade Victor to be patient to wait for the 2025 draft. Getting the second star is difficult. Unless someone gets frustrated, it will be difficult to get someone. SA have to be careful to not waste their resources or end up like Dallas unless their copying is grabbing Luka. Luka made Dallas too good too early, so they could not draft low. Wemby could do the same for SA. Also dallas messed up with brunson.
this is the only espn show i still mess with, what happened to you guys?
Brian W. is a spurs hater
Victor has time, he is happiest to be at the spurs!
He will continue to progress while giving the team time to build itself. The spurs have so many assets to succeed in their construction.
Lots of draft picks, a few tradable players (keldon johnson, collins) and a lot of money for free agency. They can very easily continue to wait, select 2 new young players this summer, and also see the 2025 NBA draft. And after the draft in 2025 go get someone in free agency. Will be free Devonte Graham (12 million), Tre Jones (9M). And they will have good contracts to release in trades like Keldon Johnson (17M), Collins (18M).
On NBA 2k the reconstruction of the spurs is way too easy :)
So just one more season to wait to really move up a gear to become competitive as a team for the 2025-2026 season.
They just need to succeed in making the right choices of players to put around Victor Wembanyama.
I'm sure all the other franchises would dream of being in this seat, even the OKC !
Of course Spurs can wait and slowly rebuild but you can argue with player that special you might need to treat it differently.
He is already a top 20-25 player which is really rare to see in the NBA history just like Luka they are that good even they are so young they want to play meaningful games not tanking I think .
I’m not saying I know more than Spurs GM but I do believe you can upgrade the roster to a level which you can fighting for playoffs.
Playoffs bruises are real the sooner you experienced the sooner you get close a title that’s my opinion.
I don’t know if other stars would want to join Spurs in offseason but that’s a route you can explore.
Wemby won’t say anything but he clearly want to be in a team not expect to lose it’s depressing you know you didn’t have a chance to win.
As a basketball fan I selfishly want to see Spurs adding pieces this offseason.
Boy I really don’t like to say this but it looks like the Spurs might have to tank next year again sadly to try and get one more top 5 pick.
This is what happens when you have hacks from the east coast and west coast trying to talk about whats good for a mid/small market team down here in south Texas. lol Concentrate on yall's NY Knicks, they havent won championship since 1973!
Stay away from our Spurs and Wemby. He's a Spurs for years to come!
Only VW and DV will be on big contracts in 2 years of the current team - only have so much money and can only pay so many veterans big money. The year VW gets the BIG payday and biggest contract in nba will be an interesting year for budget management but of course sas will be well planned for the economics of that year. Next big money will need to be a point guard. So KJ and JS are probably going to have to go for upcoming lesser salaried players..simply because no team can have 4-5 mega salaried players - unless these players are willing to take less money so... not likely.
devin vassel or keldon johnson cant be a #2 with experience?
In season was great for the pels imo sometimes you gotta get embarrassed to get perspective
crazy 1 and 2 US prospects now are 2 guys who dont start for an ok team in kentucky.
No dallas talk?
Recorded before the game?
Nobody cares about em. No future
they mentioned the game winner
Never build around a player.. they get to much power. You build a great team that play basketball together and not just pass it to the super star. 12-14 spurs showed that teamwork is better. Stop thinking Victor can do it all..
7 through 11 peak nike basketball era
Pop should draft Bronny James... you can probably get him with a late 1st, or 2nd round pick. Even if LBJ doesn't join next year, Bron wants to play with his son, and there is no better coaching for Bronny than Pop. 💯💯💯
Also go after Trae Young... he throws lobs at a CRAZY rate. Webenyama would feast. Its why the Lakers want him to set up Davis.
Patience and see if a top 5-10 player becomes available.
Y’all don’t know spurs basketball
Wemby is already the best player in the league.
Jokic? Giannis? Luka? 😂
Wemby will never be the best player in the league he's not that guy
Ahahahahah in five years he will be out of the league
@@SK99900Proffesional Hater
@@Lucky-gk7ezIf Wemby had the same talent surrounding him as those guy's, he'd win the title easily
Victor is at a 4th dimension. Your arguments move in a 3 dimensional one. For you it’s a contradiction how the Spurs traditionally moved to build teams and what you hear from Victor. You are basing your arguments on your limited perspective and can’t see how Victor will elevate Spurs approach to new realms
There is no one coming up in the draft coming up
Wemby grew up wanting to be a Spur drop the bs
Watching from Australia
Could Brooklyn blow it up? Spurs have draft picks but you add Shroeder, Claxton and Dorian Finney to the spurs- I think that’s a up grade.
Can we PLEASE show defensive highlights/sequences when we're talking about a team's defensive stretch? Why am I watching a Jalen Brunson middie while hearing "they are holding opponents to..."?
Sochan & vessell are a good pair with Wemby. But wemby could use 2 veterans Stars for his journey
They have to keep Sochan as an enforcer, but he needs to have the ball less.
@@Shortballa11it’s not his fault pop got him playing that way for development but it looks ,ad ugly tho
Is this Windy doubling down on his "The Spurs needs to win now with Victor" take? Why are they (him/ESPN) continuing to do this?
trade anyone who cant shoot and defend 3. that is a start. that means sochan and tre jones.
He will be best in 2 to 4 years
Wendy spouting big nonsense today. The logic of they never did does not mean they won't do it...Plus OKC lucked into SGA being great, plus some good drafts, which is like buying a lottery ticket
Wemby would have been godly with Haliburton
Both would’ve been “Godly” together.
Wemby would have been godly with literally any all-star caliber player. The problem is usually the team that gets the #1 pick (you know, from being pure dog**** the year prior) doesn't normally have any.
This is no different than saying Wemby would have been godly with Lebron!! Like no duh.
That's crazy. You talking to jinks on the knicks just so cleveland can win
wemby coverage is almost as annoying at lakers & warriors at this point. shut it down until ROY comes out and start again next year when the spurs might not be the worst team in the conference :D
No talk about Orlando Magic who are the 5 seed, you National Media Folks are embarrassing
Surprised they talked about the Pels! ESPN hates small market teams.
The Spurs only have 4 guaranteed years of Wemby given his rookie contract. After that, if he's eligible for a supermax extension with ither teams than the spurs, he'll defintely be looking for a situation where he can win. The Spurs have to do enough in these 4 years and be competitive enough to make him stay. The days of Tim Duncan where stars stayed with their team is long gone. I'm not sure 4 years is enough to build through the draft and get resukts, especially after year 1 is essentially over.
No max salary Rookie in the history of the NBA have decline their extension because you would be loosing potencially tens of millions of dollars from just the first contract.
@@themsuicjunkiesIf Wemby's eligible for a max extension with other teams he'll look at all his options for sure which is why the Spurs have to improve fast in the next 3 years, It's hard to go from last place to contenders in that time span if, like in the video, they build through the draft.
Need two superstars - unless you are Dirk. Only one current all star on the 2011 team, Dirk. Some former all stars on their last legs and one very big heart. Beat Lakers going for a three-peat, Young Thunder with KD, Westbrook and Harden, then the three superstar Heat.
Brian my friend there is a Kid in Europe already play some minutes in EuroLeague at PG i see some DraftExtperts already doubting how it translate to NBA but you can ask some Serbs you met in Manilla the Kid is for Real
I know who you are talking about His name is Nikola Topic and he is really good. The Spurs going to draft him to pair with Victor. Kid’s 18 and Victor is 20. In 3 years they will be contenders
@@kennymitton3852 we dont talk about the next Luka Doncic i dont like how they narrate again
we Talk about a Top NBA Point Guard inconing
The logic here lol
and last thing lol,lol,lol,lol maybe Brunson is just an easy guy to root for??
Spurs should trade Sochan
According to Sharp Kyrie cant make hook shots
He need teammates to pass him the ball and aren't jealous of his stardom.
Not really as much of a problem anymore, the team just doesn't have a lot of talent.
@@thatguyjoe3649tbh I think this team could compete in a year in a half to 2 years it’s just development
Sochan has always been like that
Dillingham
Vassell
Flagg
Wemby
Sarr
You need one big body enforcer in the lineup with Wemby. Cant have a bunch of string bean guys in the lineup. Need an Aaron Gordon or Draymond Type.
Jesus. The luck to get Wemby/Sarr/Flagg right after another would be wild. But you never know. Sochan/Keldon off the bench would be so so deadly
@@blablablaa14Honestly not a lot of luck. This year they will likely have a top 3 pick. Next year they might have 4 firsts. all of them likely being lottery. Bulls and Hawks aint going no where. They could win the lottery or trade up.
They could trade up, but the question is who is the team that is stupid enough to take lets say the 10th, 5th, and 15th pick for the 2nd pick in the draft so the Spurs could draft Flagg? Its possible but not necessarily likely@@Shortballa11
Jeremy Sochan@@Shortballa11
and last point, maybe, just maybe Orlando's offense was horrible against the Knicks in their last game because....the Knicks defense made it difficult to have a good offensive game??? lol,lol,lol,lol,lol,lol
...I think the spurs are waisting the picks if they don't trade them...I don't think the spurs will be this bad next season.
..and what if the hawks make the playoffs next season...trade the hawks picks and gamble on trae young... we're still going to get a top 3 pick this year at worst top 5 and might get the raptors pick...I would trade the picks...I don't think the spurs could afford another bad season next year without wemby saying something and the relationship between them goes bad...with vassell sochan and this picks years picks plus wemby... we'll be ok...build around wemby now
"I'm trying to win asap!"
-Wemby
The Spurs are famous for their Pounding the Rock philosophy. Wemby would like to stick a block of C4 under the rock and blow it up 😊
its clear you have no idea what those words mean. Must be a rockets fan