I can see this being an unban for cEDH but still banned for casual. Mainly cause let's say in cEDH you get the current best artifact. The one ring. Off of sacrificing a treasure from your dockside. And then spending 3 more for the spell. It's basically casting the actual card. And cEDH has the tools to deal with this.
I mean if cEDH has the tools to deal with it, so does Commander with the same restrictions. I definitely see what you’re saying though! And it would absolutely force a place style if this were unbanned unfortunately, making a meta of a metaless format. - Gramps
time time first first. Green tends to have a lot of "fair" versions of this effect of sacrificing a permanent to get another similar permanent (Like birthing pod). Their balancing option of forcing the searched card to have a cmc tied to the sacrificed permanent (either 1 more or less) feels like it would still be powerful while not enabling turn 1/2 Blightsteel (on turn 2 also having the angle to throw a red instant at it to give it haste with Expedite or Crimson Wisps). tl;dr: fix tinker, make it red, and unban it. My Daretti, Scrap Savant deck would appreciate it.
Let's not forget that treasures, clues, food, etc. Are in fact artifacts, and those are nearly free these days. Tinker's banning is justified, IMO. But rule zero exists so... *shrug*
Tinker should stay banned, but at most power levels most tutors should be banned. The fixed version of this is Beseech the Mirror, and that is too powerful for most casual power levels.
I will be honest at most times Beseech does feel like a more balanced tutor until you realise that mana value 4 or less and the cost of a bargain combined isn’t really that much of a downside - Gramps
There’s nothing I would like to see more than the one ring on the field faster!
Oh god the pain. Though I wonder how well The One Ring performs in commander? - Gramps
I can see this being an unban for cEDH but still banned for casual. Mainly cause let's say in cEDH you get the current best artifact. The one ring. Off of sacrificing a treasure from your dockside. And then spending 3 more for the spell. It's basically casting the actual card. And cEDH has the tools to deal with this.
I mean if cEDH has the tools to deal with it, so does Commander with the same restrictions. I definitely see what you’re saying though! And it would absolutely force a place style if this were unbanned unfortunately, making a meta of a metaless format. - Gramps
time time first first. Green tends to have a lot of "fair" versions of this effect of sacrificing a permanent to get another similar permanent (Like birthing pod). Their balancing option of forcing the searched card to have a cmc tied to the sacrificed permanent (either 1 more or less) feels like it would still be powerful while not enabling turn 1/2 Blightsteel (on turn 2 also having the angle to throw a red instant at it to give it haste with Expedite or Crimson Wisps).
tl;dr: fix tinker, make it red, and unban it. My Daretti, Scrap Savant deck would appreciate it.
Make it RED? So fix tinker and then break it again!? - Gramps
@@casualcompliance in a world where Goblin Welder exists: a red tinker with speed limits on is perfectly balanced. I found my hill
Let's not forget that treasures, clues, food, etc. Are in fact artifacts, and those are nearly free these days. Tinker's banning is justified, IMO. But rule zero exists so... *shrug*
Tinker should stay banned, but at most power levels most tutors should be banned. The fixed version of this is Beseech the Mirror, and that is too powerful for most casual power levels.
I will be honest at most times Beseech does feel like a more balanced tutor until you realise that mana value 4 or less and the cost of a bargain combined isn’t really that much of a downside - Gramps