Once again: great video, mate! So insightful, I've always felt too that for possession or loads of chance creations my sides had to have a DMF (or CMF, depending on his defensive skills) as an orchestrator! Will definitely try this, I've been trying counter-attack for way too long (another tactic formation inspired by you for pes 2020) and it has been working well for so many games. Gold!
The key to play possession based football, you have to be aware of your player positioning, being patient to wait for the space open up. Also, Keep it Simple, don't be afraid to pass the ball backward to force your opponent push further, and sudden change of your passing tempo to attack the space.
That is something I find difficult. I struggle to get the mindset that its okay to pass back to defenders and look for another opportunity. I don't have that kind of patience.
The faster you push the ball forwards, the faster it’ll come back at you. Stay patient, make the pitch wide in possession and narrow out of possession and use numerical advantages in areas of the pitch where the oppositions formation has numerical weaknesses.
hey love this style of video explaining the formation, its easier to understand at least for me when you explaining key moments and give highlights at the player, cheers!
do you prefer using attacking wing players like sterling mahrez in the video or using wingback players like hakimi alex sandro? i always want to try this ultimate formation but dont know where to fit in rashford & sancho in my ML haha
For sure this formation has too much pressure, especially if we consider that we have six players in the midfield line. Just two more things to add to this formation: First, the DMF has to be close to the defensive line, so as to be able to cut any through balls. Also, it is not advisable to apply to him the Anchorman tactics, so as to cover the wings in case you lose the ball while your players are up front. Second, whoever uses this formation has to place in the wings players with very good stamina, as it draws down very quickly having to cover the full field in length many times. As for your question, I like this form of the video, as you are able to emphasise with more accuracy and show what you want to point easier. Have a nice time, mate.
In online matches there is a problem if the opponent plays widely with wings there are always open areas behind my wings, and he can score, and i can't mark his attacking wings because that will make huge open areas in counter attack.
@@محمودخوجه91, I know that. In fact that's why I said not to apply the Anchorman advanced tactic to the DMF, so as to be able to cover the wings if need be. Make sure that he's fast, though, speed and acceleration in this scenario is a must. Also, I don't play online, as in online matches the behaviour of the AI and the players is much different. This tutorial was for offline matches. Have a nice time, mate! PS: It's very difficult to write in the Arabian way, but I think I was successful (lol).
Thanx for replying, i solved the problem of open areas behind the wings. I didn't mark any players of the opponent. So my team was strong and free to play. And i added some edits in advanced setting instead of "wing rotation" i make it "hug the side line". And i made the attack area "wide" So i can play on sides with Sterling and Mahrez. But 90% of my online matches are draws 😂😂 I always have possession but I'm not effective to make chances to score 😣
I will try this one. I did something similiar but with wingers and there was more leaks in defence. LM and RM makes the difference. 442 with diamond is good as well. Thank you Spoony
Brilliant Spoony mate, been using this with Rotherham United of all teams in the championship on a ML save and it’s actually worked a dream, just love how pes is so in depth with tactics. I’m a huge Leeds fan, if you could reproduce your Bielsa Tactic at some point for pes 2021 I would love that, cheers mate.
Excellent presentation Spoony, very insightful and informative. Do you ever use fluid formations? I can’t make my mind up if that benefits me or not so curious as to your thoughts on pros and cons of it.
Hey Spoony! Why not use a fluid formation and turn wide midfielders into wingers while in possession and back into wide midfielders when out of possession? Also, wouldn't it be helpful to have the midfielders spread across the horizontal lines to create more triangles?
Spoony great work but what is the most fair difficulty? Like the not so strong teams reflects their play and the strong teams play as strong ?? Thanks for your reply.
I'm really enjoying legend difficulty, their attacks are really intelligent but it really doesn't matter. Just play what you enjoy and I'd recommend avoiding a level where you win every game.
@@SpoonyPizzas thanks i think legend is too much for me. I can win games but cpu seems very OP even the lower teams are playing tiki taka and striker turns and shoots and rarely misses the mark. Pressing is useless too as they are passing accurately and shielding very very good. Superstar is i think easy 🤔 is there a level in between lol
@@dual_5928 haha, I believe there should be a level in-between as I know a lot of folk are in that position. I'd advise making the step up and keep persisting with it. It was a tough ride at first and if I'm lacking practice but you'll be a better player for it.
I tried this formation. Jeezzzz! I was totally dominant in the midfield. It looks simpler to pass the ball. I could easily predict the player movements in this formation than the 4-3-3. I was wondering if i can set the attacking gauge to attacking or just leave it moderate? Can I also use gengenpress in my advance instructions.
@marvellousmadu4358 you'll your players out with gegenpress but changing strategy wouldn't be a bad idea but would recommend moderate unless you're struggling for time on the ball.
@@SpoonyPizzas I'll try Conte. He has enough flexibility to position the players exactly how you have except one of the CFs I turned into an SS and moved him down. His compactness is around 5 bars, do you think that will impact the defensive shape too much? Do you have it at 1 bar so that the CBs can be wide enough to mark 3 forwards? Thx
@@andrelopes4436 I think if you're playing online, the 4-3-3 meta is the way to go tbh (if you can find the 3xCFs) - similar to the best counter attacking formation
DM orchestrator role for sure. The rest I would have a mix of creative playmaker, hole player and box to box but depends on who's playing tbh. What are they good at? Etc.
Hey Spoony any chance you can make a tutorial for V5 Option file on PS4 system? Or we should follow the same installation instructions that you explained in V4 tutorial video?
@@SpoonyPizzas oh man you were my only hope, those other tutorials are so confusing tbh, especially the written ones. Anyway I'll have to figure it out myself, cheers from Australia 🦘
No mate,.it's the spread across midfield that's important. Obviously means the defenders are a part a bit which can be risky but long balls easier to deal with if you defend properly like in video
Do you think it can be used online? and if so, do you suggest replacing one of the midfielders for anoter CF? I'm having a hard time creating chances with one CF
Do you need to be in possession attack style if you have tiki taka enabled? I always thought that tiki taka took over whatever attacking style you have picked. Because of this ive always thought it would be more effective to have counter attack enabled. That way you can change between possession and counter attack whenever you turn on tiki taka. Is there a difference between possession or counter attack when tiki taka is on, or do they behave the same?
Ok, so let me explain differences first. Counter attack = players flood forward fast as soon as you get possession of ball. Therefore you'll most likely using throughball to advance but will lose the ball often but have a chance to catch your opponent will fewer players in defence. Possession = players come short, fast counter attacks are difficult to pull off but retaining possession is easier. You'll use normal passes generally and through balls to bring deeper players forward. Tiki taka, when a player receives the ball, players nearby will come close/short. This is great for giving you options on the ball but can be frustrating when you're close to a striker and you want him to run in behind defence but instead he comes short cuz tiki taka. Hope this helps mate
@@SpoonyPizzas thanks for the response! So if we have counter attack as our main attacking style and we have tiki taka as an advanced tactic. We can essentially switch between players making long runs and coming up close for passes. I feel like this can have advantages because In certain situations you don’t want your player to be making runs especially if you want to retain possession in certain moments of the game.
Hmmm I might try this sometimes. I use a 3-4-2-1 with 2 half-10s at ss positions but sometimes I need them a little further back. I do use fullbacks on the wings tho
I've been trying so hard to make a good tiki taka formation. and I tried yours as well. but I just can't make it work. it just feels like counter attack is always better no matter what team it is. They should really work on that. like Man City's best formation should naturally be a possession based one
Hi mate, CA obviously suits your game better. CA just means players flood forward quickly...can leave you exposed if you lose ball. Possession more secure but play has to be much slower and methodical.
@@SpoonyPizzas Yeah I understand that. But the thing is, at the end of the day, if u play both perfectly, CA will still always give u better results. Like I'm having a lot of 1-0 games when playing possession. but CA will always give u more goals
Solskjaer is good, just don't listen to the numpties on social media. He's ditching the deadwood and crap that Jose and LVG begged to keep (Fellaini being one)
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Once again: great video, mate! So insightful, I've always felt too that for possession or loads of chance creations my sides had to have a DMF (or CMF, depending on his defensive skills) as an orchestrator! Will definitely try this, I've been trying counter-attack for way too long (another tactic formation inspired by you for pes 2020) and it has been working well for so many games. Gold!
Thanks Bruno 👍
The key to play possession based football, you have to be aware of your player positioning, being patient to wait for the space open up. Also, Keep it Simple, don't be afraid to pass the ball backward to force your opponent push further, and sudden change of your passing tempo to attack the space.
That is something I find difficult. I struggle to get the mindset that its okay to pass back to defenders and look for another opportunity. I don't have that kind of patience.
The faster you push the ball forwards, the faster it’ll come back at you. Stay patient, make the pitch wide in possession and narrow out of possession and use numerical advantages in areas of the pitch where the oppositions formation has numerical weaknesses.
Yesss, I knew that a video was coming from spoony at this wonderful hour
great, I’m gonna play another 2v2 tournament later, can’t wait to try it
spoons, you’re on fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks dude
hey love this style of video explaining the formation, its easier to understand at least for me when you explaining key moments and give highlights at the player, cheers!
Thanks dude, will continue to do this
do you prefer using attacking wing players like sterling mahrez in the video or using wingback players like hakimi alex sandro? i always want to try this ultimate formation but dont know where to fit in rashford & sancho in my ML haha
For sure this formation has too much pressure, especially if we consider that we have six players in the midfield line. Just two more things to add to this formation: First, the DMF has to be close to the defensive line, so as to be able to cut any through balls. Also, it is not advisable to apply to him the Anchorman tactics, so as to cover the wings in case you lose the ball while your players are up front. Second, whoever uses this formation has to place in the wings players with very good stamina, as it draws down very quickly having to cover the full field in length many times.
As for your question, I like this form of the video, as you are able to emphasise with more accuracy and show what you want to point easier. Have a nice time, mate.
Thanks Nikos, you legend
In online matches there is a problem if the opponent plays widely with wings there are always open areas behind my wings, and he can score, and i can't mark his attacking wings because that will make huge open areas in counter attack.
@@محمودخوجه91, I know that. In fact that's why I said not to apply the Anchorman advanced tactic to the DMF, so as to be able to cover the wings if need be. Make sure that he's fast, though, speed and acceleration in this scenario is a must. Also, I don't play online, as in online matches the behaviour of the AI and the players is much different. This tutorial was for offline matches. Have a nice time, mate!
PS: It's very difficult to write in the Arabian way, but I think I was successful (lol).
Thanx for replying, i solved the problem of open areas behind the wings.
I didn't mark any players of the opponent.
So my team was strong and free to play.
And i added some edits in advanced setting instead of "wing rotation" i make it "hug the side line".
And i made the attack area "wide"
So i can play on sides with Sterling and Mahrez.
But 90% of my online matches are draws 😂😂
I always have possession but I'm not effective to make chances to score 😣
I will try this one. I did something similiar but with wingers and there was more leaks in defence. LM and RM makes the difference. 442 with diamond is good as well. Thank you Spoony
Brilliant Spoony mate, been using this with Rotherham United of all teams in the championship on a ML save and it’s actually worked a dream, just love how pes is so in depth with tactics. I’m a huge Leeds fan, if you could reproduce your Bielsa Tactic at some point for pes 2021 I would love that, cheers mate.
Great to hear, used it a couple.of.times with Notts Forest in PL, massive improvement in performance
Spoony is the best and does an excellent job at doing all the videos for everyone 🙂.
Haha, wifey, you're the best :)
Excellent presentation Spoony, very insightful and informative. Do you ever use fluid formations? I can’t make my mind up if that benefits me or not so curious as to your thoughts on pros and cons of it.
Hey dude, i did a pros and cons video of fluid formation :) it's fairly old but the points still stand
@@SpoonyPizzas Thanks I’ll look for it and check it out.
love this type of video, keep it up!
Cheers dude
Another great formation, makes for good creative play and it's very solid defensively. What would be the ideal player roles for each position?
The tactics are nice when defending a goal
Nice vid Spoons. Do you use any gameplay mods? I notice in your video the space between midfield and defence is tighter.
No gameplay mods, I use the oddside trap and also backline adjustment slider to keep the gap small when possible
@@SpoonyPizzas cool, I think doing that really helps with defending. I’ve been using that myself lately.
Probably late question but is gegenpress and full red a option with this tactic?
Looks great Spoony ;)
I took screenshots of your video.
It gonna work also for a 3 star team you think?
Yeah providing you have enough midfielders
Hey Spoony! Why not use a fluid formation and turn wide midfielders into wingers while in possession and back into wide midfielders when out of possession? Also, wouldn't it be helpful to have the midfielders spread across the horizontal lines to create more triangles?
Nope, this is the way. Works perfectly as is, no need for fluid
Would this be viable for latest Football Life patch? was thinking of doing a Monaco or Arsenal save with this and hoping to dominate possession.
Spoony great work but what is the most fair difficulty? Like the not so strong teams reflects their play and the strong teams play as strong ?? Thanks for your reply.
I'm really enjoying legend difficulty, their attacks are really intelligent but it really doesn't matter. Just play what you enjoy and I'd recommend avoiding a level where you win every game.
@@SpoonyPizzas thanks i think legend is too much for me. I can win games but cpu seems very OP even the lower teams are playing tiki taka and striker turns and shoots and rarely misses the mark. Pressing is useless too as they are passing accurately and shielding very very good. Superstar is i think easy 🤔 is there a level in between lol
Or mybe a random difficulty hmmm
@@dual_5928 haha, I believe there should be a level in-between as I know a lot of folk are in that position. I'd advise making the step up and keep persisting with it. It was a tough ride at first and if I'm lacking practice but you'll be a better player for it.
Thanks! I’m loving playing this way!!
Yeah it's pretty awesome
Thanks! This was quite helpful
Thanks for the vid!!! Would it be a good idea to put your cdm as defensive?
No, because you want him supporting as pointed out in video.
This style of video is perfect 👌🏻
Thanks mate
Someone got back to PC mods 🤩👍🏻
I have subscribed to spoony and put the notification bell
Cheers bud!
what camera angle you using on this vid, looks good angles and zoom,also have you updated to V5 OF .wondering if there's much difference ,cheers
Live broadcast mate
@@SpoonyPizzas Cheers .I will try that one
I tried this formation. Jeezzzz! I was totally dominant in the midfield. It looks simpler to pass the ball. I could easily predict the player movements in this formation than the 4-3-3. I was wondering if i can set the attacking gauge to attacking or just leave it moderate? Can I also use gengenpress in my advance instructions.
@marvellousmadu4358 you'll your players out with gegenpress but changing strategy wouldn't be a bad idea but would recommend moderate unless you're struggling for time on the ball.
This worked so well👍🏽, spoony can u pls do a Liverpool formation one.
Spoony, which manager in myclub comes closest to this formation/tactics? Thanks for the video
Haha, don't think you'll find one. I tried looking once but didn't come across one close enough
@@SpoonyPizzas I'll try Conte. He has enough flexibility to position the players exactly how you have except one of the CFs I turned into an SS and moved him down. His compactness is around 5 bars, do you think that will impact the defensive shape too much? Do you have it at 1 bar so that the CBs can be wide enough to mark 3 forwards? Thx
@@andrelopes4436 I think if you're playing online, the 4-3-3 meta is the way to go tbh (if you can find the 3xCFs) - similar to the best counter attacking formation
Hi Spoony. Thank you for a great channel. Which player roles do you recommend for the midfielders?
DM orchestrator role for sure. The rest I would have a mix of creative playmaker, hole player and box to box but depends on who's playing tbh. What are they good at? Etc.
Thanks mate. Is it the same for the striker?
Hey Spoony, thanks for the analysis. I notice you play left footed centre backs on the rights side. Is there any reason for this?
No mate, just play left foot on left side is best
Hey Spoony any chance you can make a tutorial for V5 Option file on PS4 system? Or we should follow the same installation instructions that you explained in V4 tutorial video?
Couldn't get it to work for me, I messed up and mid-ML not bothered about fixing it atm
@@SpoonyPizzas oh man you were my only hope, those other tutorials are so confusing tbh, especially the written ones. Anyway I'll have to figure it out myself, cheers from Australia 🦘
@@happylittleones2386 hold on mate cuz V6 will be out when DP5 drops
@@SpoonyPizzas no worries, I will wait for V6 to come out 👍
sorry if im getting it wrong but do you use low compactness only to avoid opponent's long ball? Great content bro 👍
No mate,.it's the spread across midfield that's important. Obviously means the defenders are a part a bit which can be risky but long balls easier to deal with if you defend properly like in video
Great video bro as always ... can you tell me from where I can get this BBC scoreboard?
VirtuaRed mod mate on pc
Except for the DMF which role do you recommend for this formation ?
Do you think it can be used online? and if so, do you suggest replacing one of the midfielders for anoter CF? I'm having a hard time creating chances with one CF
Online just see my 433 meta or the best counter attacking tactics (where I use PSG). Lots of people having a lot of success with those
@@SpoonyPizzas now i'm feeling a celebrity, Spoony actually answered me, cheers mate
Do you need to be in possession attack style if you have tiki taka enabled? I always thought that tiki taka took over whatever attacking style you have picked. Because of this ive always thought it would be more effective to have counter attack enabled. That way you can change between possession and counter attack whenever you turn on tiki taka. Is there a difference between possession or counter attack when tiki taka is on, or do they behave the same?
Ok, so let me explain differences first.
Counter attack = players flood forward fast as soon as you get possession of ball. Therefore you'll most likely using throughball to advance but will lose the ball often but have a chance to catch your opponent will fewer players in defence.
Possession = players come short, fast counter attacks are difficult to pull off but retaining possession is easier. You'll use normal passes generally and through balls to bring deeper players forward.
Tiki taka, when a player receives the ball, players nearby will come close/short. This is great for giving you options on the ball but can be frustrating when you're close to a striker and you want him to run in behind defence but instead he comes short cuz tiki taka.
Hope this helps mate
@@SpoonyPizzas thanks for the response! So if we have counter attack as our main attacking style and we have tiki taka as an advanced tactic. We can essentially switch between players making long runs and coming up close for passes. I feel like this can have advantages because In certain situations you don’t want your player to be making runs especially if you want to retain possession in certain moments of the game.
@spoony thanks, another great content video! any chance you could do something similar for a 4-4-2 Atletico style?
Will do mate, cheers
what camera settings do you use?
@@stevyardiana live broadcast
this mod looks unreal!! Is there anyway to get this on PS5?
No mate, pc only
Do these work on ps4 or are adapted for mods on pc
Hi Spoony, What's your camera settings in Data patch 4.0? Thanks in advance! 👍
Live broadcast mate - best for viewers
@@SpoonyPizzas Japp, I use that too. 🙂👍
Hmmm I might try this sometimes. I use a 3-4-2-1 with 2 half-10s at ss positions but sometimes I need them a little further back. I do use fullbacks on the wings tho
Hello.and welcome to the channel!
Guys please like the video because his awesome work
Appreciate that dude. Thank you
You tried this out in e football Spoony?
Yes and it's tragic haha. 3 defender formations are tragic
could you make a video on the tactics manchester city are using but in pes
I've been trying so hard to make a good tiki taka formation. and I tried yours as well. but I just can't make it work. it just feels like counter attack is always better no matter what team it is. They should really work on that. like Man City's best formation should naturally be a possession based one
Hi mate, CA obviously suits your game better. CA just means players flood forward quickly...can leave you exposed if you lose ball. Possession more secure but play has to be much slower and methodical.
@@SpoonyPizzas Yeah I understand that. But the thing is, at the end of the day, if u play both perfectly, CA will still always give u better results. Like I'm having a lot of 1-0 games when playing possession. but CA will always give u more goals
Do you play wing back in this formation?
Nope
I hope next time you make videos like this you use the superstar difficulty
This is on Legend difficulty, it'll be ok for superstar mate
Do you have ps5 mate?
Yes mate
Which master league manager are you use please on mine no 3331
Pep Guardiola and David Beckham
@@SpoonyPizzas Yes thank I knew it was pep so I have to purchase him and he isn't on the master league list of managers.
Can make the best formation and tactics for Venezia?
7:10 Why holding his foot?
?? What's that mate, I miss it?
@@SpoonyPizzas haha I noticed the same, look at Mahrez movement after the GK collects the ball
Excellent
Is that wing rotation I see 👀
What’s your camera setting in this vid
Live broadcast mate
@@SpoonyPizzas thnx mate cheers
Spoony a better tactician than solksjaer
Solskjaer is good, just don't listen to the numpties on social media. He's ditching the deadwood and crap that Jose and LVG begged to keep (Fellaini being one)
@@SpoonyPizzas and what about winning a trophy? Do you want us to bet that solksjaer isnt winning anything anytime soon?
Man it’s so fast paced...
Will this work against online players
Counter attack formation & tactic is probably better or check the online meta formation.
What do used pass support level 1?
PA1 and manual mix
@@SpoonyPizzas formasi & tactics for juventus please 😁🙏
Best advanced settings for 4231
Hi ! Do you know how to edit the gameplay in pes 2020 ?
No idea sorry
J like to study many tactics for pes 2021
Im new player, why I cant change formation in myClub?
You should coach England ;-)
Lol
Hey spoony i am back
Can u dive in pes 2021?
Possession is difficult to play in Online Session
Hey how about an update on this spoony😂
Does it work on pea 2020
Pes 2020*
Wow.
7:10 omg hahahahahahahahahah
??? What did I miss?
@@SpoonyPizzas Keep looking at Marez until the end of the play. look at his leg around the defender's head hahahaha
Lmao I didn't even notice that!!
Subtitel Indonesian gaes
I don't know how, I'm sorry friend