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i liked how you guys paused mid video to discuss the dynamics of power between alicent and otto, imo that was some of the best dialogue of the show yet
While I don't like Aegon as a person, I do actually think he's trying to be a good king. He just doesn't know how because he wasn't taught. Viserys didn't care about him like that, Alicent said she wanted him to be king but didn't seem to help him aside from yelling. Of course, he wants to be liked. The change was there when he got cheers when he was crowned. Also, I do believe he loved Jahaerys. He just seemed happy that his son and heir (RIP) was having fun. I am interested to see if Aegon's statement on the importance of the small folk will play a role in the whole team green vs. team black thing in the story. Especially if you contrast that with Rhaenys killing a bunch of them last season.
Aegon wants to be loved by the people, which also means he'd be easily fooled and taken advantage of, which is why Otto stepped in, or he would begger the coffers without thinking about the consequences.
He should've went for Aemond himself, since he was there in kingslanding. Not going kinda makes him look like a coward. In fire and blood he wasn't in kingslanding, he was at harrenhal when he hired bood and cheese.
No, Daemon said to them "a son for a son" after they cut. Because how would Blood know about "a son for a son" ? This wasn't Blood and Cheese's mistake.
@@monlovchel And then Cheese asked, what if we don't find them, then it pans to Daemon then cut, implying Daemon said something, probably something like a Son for a Son
Exactly. They were told specifically Aemond. But asked what happens if we can’t find him. Daemon gives a look. While inside the city watch guard says, “He said a son for a son”. Btw A son for a son is the title episode.
To be fair, Blood (one of the two assassins) is a gold cloak, so he's loyal to Daemon. It's not just about the money. And the scene cut out when they asked Daemon what they should do if they can't find Aemond, so his instructions are still unclear. But I agree the show makes Blood and Cheese look super incompetent overall, it was done a lot better in the book. Also, the "theory" about the kids being Aemond's isn't really based on much, it's mostly just a ship since people feel bad for Helaena and the show kinda whitewashed Aemond while villainizing Aegon, so they'd rather see her with Aemond. And Aegon doesn't sell his kids to the fighting pits, he probably has bastards around the city from whoring around but he's not going and placing them there to fight. Obviously it's not better or worse but in terms of his character and some of them might have ended up there, but it's more apathy than sadism.
Blood & Cheese specifically asked Daemon what they should do if they don't find Aemond. Then the scene cuts away and we don't get Daemon's answer. But the two seem to be searching the castle purposefully for "A son for a son" and are happy with Aegon's son. For me it is very obvious that Daemon was only interested in revenge and blood and that he offered the murder of the boy as an alternative option.
Daemon is not gonna kill them, it was his plan B and what he said after they asked what if the could not find Aemond. And blood is loyal to Daemon he would not betray him for the hightowers.
That last scene was very well shot and directed. It subverted my expectations as I was expecting Aemond to live and kill the assassins but then they were repeating "son for a son". Rough scene
GREAT DISCUSSION You guys pointed out a lot of nuances that I did not notice and it really helps in understanding the characters more and seeing multiple different layers that all of them have Amazing Keep going Love you guys 100k lesgooooooo
You guys need to know that Aegon doesn't know he has bastards running around. The actor confirmed this. The show also didn't say he knew, it just showed his bastard who happened to be abandoned in a fighting pit. Then the character, Erryk, assumed he had more. This is not fact, just Erryk's suspicions. Hope you see this because for some reason, the show doesn't want to clarify this misunderstanding.
Aemon says it clearly that this war was inevitable once alicent and otto started conspiring for the throne. blood and cheese, aemond/lucerys are just consequences. nothing really changed here.
Some have said Helaena is autistic. Her not wanting to interrupt Jaehaery's routine when Aegon was asking for him, and her lightning quick addition skills in season one, would support this theory. Autistic or not, she is sadly not taken seriously. Eccentric and weird is the best she can hope for in the eyes of others. Most, simply view her as a halfwit babbling nonsense. I would listen to every word she says.
i love the attention to details because they have a problem with rats since season 1 and we see the rat guy in many scenes in the background, that’s why he’s practically invisible
Oh yeah by the way, the Targaryens already have velaryon blood in them, I think Viserys’ grandmother was a valeryon. So rhaenyras sons do have valeryon blood in them but it’s thinned out because it’s from generations ago. Alyssa velaryon was her name, don’t let anyone pretend like her sons have no right to anything when they both have both bloodlines coursing through their veins.
Otto and alicent crack me up. Their side literally ate someone alive then start talking about lets not have wanton violence in the war like it’s up to them once something like that occurs
otto kills me, his faces/reactions are such modern humor. when aegon was doing his best to help his people and otto kept rolling his eyes or scoffing when he tried to give back had me rolling.
I mean it doesn’t matter who ate who as Aemond said usurping the thrown is war nothing more nothing less. Vhagar eating someone was an accident you can hear Luke and Aemond tell their dragons to stop but they didn’t listen like wild animals as daemon pointed out in the beginning of the of season 1 we ride dragons but us controlling them is a child fantasy. Also war is obviously Viserys fault he should had married rhaenyra and Aegon end of story he should have known throughout Targaryen history there will be a war for successsion and this shows why Viserys was a terrible king and father.
You keep saying Alicent heard what she wanted to her. She heard what she heard she believes the king's final wish was for the PRINCE that was promised to rule.
They have 3 Kingsguards at the moment (unless they found someone during these 10 days). Cole was with Alicent, 1 had to be with Aegon and the last one could be sleeping before his watch or could be guarding the roofs like Arryk earlier. But they definitely could use some Targaryen/Hightower house guards. (Unless Cole and Alicent dismissed them so no-one would see Crispin entering her chambers and hearing the noises 🤔 just a thought).
i think its implied that because theyre having a steamy affair that has to be hidden, alicent and cole abuses his power as lord commander to order the other kingsguard to guard elsewhere while hes upstairs plowing the queen.
Even though those last scenes were horrifying they did tamed it down a lot. People wouldn't have been ready for the book version. I have been dreading it for that reason.
Daemon won't care about it not being Aemond, he said in the beginning a son for a son. Also when he's talking to them they deliberately came away from the conversation after they asked what they should do if they can't find Aemond. The implication being just bring someone else's head.
You guys have wrong take after wrong take 1. Aegon took his son to the meeting bc he loves him is no so hard. He wants to assure him his love. 2. If you remember he is fatherless viserys never loved him. So now as king he wants his son to feel loved unlike him, is genuine. 3. You criticize him way too much but mute with daemon who is 50 y.o deadbeat father and whiny feminicide does worse. Like daemon has aegon's mental age but with zero good attributes.
@@hdheh1582 yeah is embarrasing like that whiny man is pushing 60 so stop excusing him while you harshly criticize a 20 year old who is learning and EXCITED to teach his son how the king job is. (Mind you daemon never pay attention to his daughters, neither did viserys to his kids with alicent).
Love the third point acting like we forgive Daemon. I think the point of the show is that people can have different opinions and interpretations without having to”wrong take after wrong take”
In the book there was another younger son named Maelor who is a toddler at this time which was cut out from the show. The whole scene was much more dramatic since they first intruded Alicent's chambers, killed the guards, tied her and made her watch along with Helaena, who offered herself to save her sons. They also made the latter choose which son to behead since the actual order of Daemon was in fact, a son for a son. Helaena finally chose Maelor since he wouldn't understand much due to his age and then Blood proceeded to take Jahaerys's head off and whisper to the todler that his own mother wanted him dead. The whole scene was fucked up by the showrunners since it's another example of presenting the black side as the good one and cutting Daemon's real order or even alternative solution because the fandom perceives him as this cool guy with an interesting dragon while he is in fact a disgusting unlikeable character who has commited multiple heinous crimes and is pretty much the main reason I am team green. The scene was also ruined due to Heleana's underwhelming reaction, the fact that there were no guards around whatsoever and the even more underwhelming ending which pretty much destroyed the gravity of this scene with Alicent screwing Criston which is not even a thing in the book to begin with.
i doubt helena's prophetic dreams were the primary reason for her weird behaviour. if she knew exactly what is gonna happen she would have shared about it more. so her dreams are probably vague and unclear. but even that aside, more importantly every scene we've seen helena in she was acting odd. she is most likely autistic or at least mentally unwell in some way
Blood and Cheese was way more brutal in the books. When the assassins get to Helena's chambers they find Helaena her kids and Alicent and they tie her and Alicent up. They ask Helena to pick which of her sons they kill - the 6 year old Jaehaerys or 3 year old Maelor. Helaena pleads and cry for them to kill her instead. Jaehaerys was the main target from the get go (not Aemond), they only gave her the illusion of a choice to torture her. When she refuses to pick they threathen her with raping her 6 year old daughter so she picks Maelor, hoping he'd be too young to understand what is happening. Blood then whispers into Maelor's ear "You hear that boy? Your mama wants you dead" and strikes off the head of Jaehaerys instead and leaves Heleana screaming and crying
The difference regarding the " Rhaenyras kids are bastards" issue between the books and show is basically, in the show the hint is that they dont resemble Laenor because of his skin color and in the books it is basically because of the black hair. Which is suspicious because both Targaryen and Vellaryons usually have silver hair. It works in both ways
Like, where are the rest of the kingsguard?... i know the lord commander is giving alicent his hightower and the others are with aegon and his drunks friends... but are there none left?
So let’s be honest, after house of the dragon is over, we all want to see Aegons conquest and the Doom, the new intro of the series shows it all happening in that amazingly creepy old art style. The doom, Aegon and Visenya, and Aegons sisters on their dragons to kill everyone lol, we all want to see it in an actual series.
Really puts things into perspective. It is a war and both sides are monsters, there aren't any good guys in a conflict for control of a dynasty. There might be lesser evils, but they still cooperate with monsters and use cruel methods.
You’re severely downplaying Aegon’s character. While he can be sadistic and a terrible person, he’s not a Joffrey in the sense of being evil for the sake of being evil. Aegon is a broken individual who was allowed to foster into the bad person he is now through being neglected his entire life, especially by Viserys. Also remember, this is someone who did not want to be king and knew he wasn’t cut out for it. Though, now that he has been forced into the role he is trying to embrace it in the ways he knows how. That scene in the throne room where he is hearing out petitions, while a big part of acting the way he did was because he wants to be liked. He also geniunely wants to a be a good king. He just doesn’t know how to do it because again, he was never raised to be king. The failure of his parents to prepare him to be king is also the very reason he brings his son to the council, he wants to do for his son what was not done for him. The best way to describe his character is a bad person trying to be good but is too far gone. Acts that seem good or even just normal to him are actually just immature or downright bad. I would suggest watching the actor that plays Aegon, Tom Glynn-Carney, speak about the character. He seems to have a deep understanding of the character.
We’re aware of what the show is doing with his character, we don’t see him as flatly “evil” there is more to it, a lot more. But just because people have a reason for doing what they have done, I.e. abuse and neglect, doesn’t mean I have to feel sympathy for rape and child exploitation and the myriad of other things he’s done. Whether he was just going with the flow and just kind of ‘found himself’ in those situations, if I knew him in real life, I wouldn’t forget what he has done just because he felt sorry And personally, it’s not like George’s story to have characters just do an immediate 180 because of one tearful convo with their mum and a public gathering. I think he does think he’s turning over a new leaf, but I gathered from the actors performance and my own personal experience, that Aegon is displaying genuinely narcissistic behaviour. He’s not a better person because he tried to look good in court. He might think he’s trying to be a better person, but like many things in the story, the characters actions aren’t so simple. Theres a self-serving element to it. And yes, he’s not the only bad person. Whenever I come into the comments to clarify my position, inevitably, someone will call me out for loving daemon or saying “well Rhaenyra is bad too”. I know that. That’s the point of the show. I’m not trying to say that Aegon is the only bad person. He’s conflicted like any other character. And I like the direction his character is taking from a writing perspective. But even the journey he’s on now is more complicated than people are making it out to be.
@@BOLDcast For sure, I’m not saying to feel sympathy for him. Like I said, he is sadistic and terrible a lot of the time. It’s completely normal to not like an awful person. I was talking about downplaying the nuances and complexities of his character. Aegon is a narcissist, but to deduce the throne room scene and him bringing his son to the small council to just him being a narcissist, is failing to look past his character at the surface level. There 100% is a self serving element, but he is also actually trying to do good (said by Tom Glynn-Carney himself). Does him trying to do good make him a better person? Of course not, but it does reflect that he is a product of his environment rather than just someone who does terrible things because of innate evil. Aegon does show humanity at times which I think makes him that much more compelling. From the preview shown for future episodes, it seems like Jaehaerys’ death is going to affect him heavily, which is where I think we’ll see him start to lose the little humanity he has and begin the journey to just going full Joffrey (someone who rules with cruelty).
My point in response to you is that you assumed we were reducing his character to flatly evil, and thereby assumed that we weren’t considering the complexity, when we really were
@@BOLDcast It comes off that way when you were saying throughout the throne room scene that he is narcissistic and “just” acting in self-interest. While that was part of it, that wasn’t all it was, hence why I said you were downplaying his character. That scene WAS meant to show a bit of his humanity through his desire to be a good king (whatever good is in his eyes). But I do understand what you meant now.
I agree with everything 🤌 except that he is far too gone he isn't remember how viserys is a r*pist and pdfle and i saw people crying for him when he was walking to the throne pls lmao 🤢 he opened aemma alive but he was "a good king" aegon is not even a book r*pist only ryan's invention, he and rhaenyra goes mad after all their loses, not before.
I don't know if it was just me, but did anyone think that first scene was dubbed in post, the audio was so clear and felt weird. Also also that opening monologue felt like the beginning of a video game set in the world of GoT.
A standard good episode nothing unpredictable with the blacks but I find the most interesting part of the episode was the green family dynamic. The thing is though daemon did order the blood n cheese event, they asked him what if we can’t find Aemond? Daemon went sand snakes revenge in season 5…….terrible
Aegon really isn’t a monster in this time period in fact most of his behaviour is typical and expected of highborns since this is modelled after Medieval time period only through a modern view you would consider him bad and even then I would say he’s done some terrible things due to his drinking and his trauma but I wouldn’t call him a monster Joffrey and Ramsey would be considered monsters in whatever time period as for ruling he has very little to no experience but does try to do what is right for the people so I’d say he’s an alright king just young and inexperienced
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I don't know why you guys give those 2 assassins so much shit. They did their job. If they were to get away without killing any son, Daemon would just have them killed.
I waited for Blood and Cheese since 1x1, but the way they executed it is just sooo disappointing to me. Also - I really enjoyed you guys in season 1. Whatever was happening IRL, it didn't show on screen at all.
I’d be interested to hear your response to what I talked about regarding helaena’s reaction and my interpretation of her actions given how the show’s portrayal differs from the way the book describes things (from what little I do know of the book) I give my interpretation in detail in the discussion portion of this video Cause it seems like from what I’m gathering in alt shift x’s comment section, there’s a lot of people who didn’t see it the same way I did, and just hated the scene and thought her reaction didn’t make sense. EDIT: In short, I think the reasoning is similar to how the show handled/presented Aemond killing Luc in the show vs the book. So the Helaena thing is similar in that being able to show the “actual events” rather than many interpretations. So in this case, Helaena pointed directly at her son first and put up little resistance, not because she is poorly written, but because she is one of the few dreamers who accepts the reality of her visions. And like many tragic women in this series, she is unable to make her own choices and forge her own path. So that same theme is represented not only with a woman against “the patriarchy”, but also against fate itself. Viserys and many other dreamers tried to fight fate or use their visions to their advantage and undid themselves, so Helaena weirdly made a decision that was both tragic and wise. She knows that she can’t do anything
I think that they really could only show so much using child actors without traumatizing the poor kids. But you've also got to add on that fact that the events in Fire & Blood aren't set in stone - they aren't the definite in what happened and easily could have been extra dramatized for sympathy depending on the sources. Nothing is 100% reliable in those books so this very easily could have been what happened in those events. However, the way things played out probably would have had to change even if they could record it - purely due to the change in character that Helaena has undertaken from the writers. Unlike in the book, I think this was the perfect reaction for her as she seems to have already seen this coming and at least in part come to terms with it - however distraught and desperate she was when it took place.
@@BOLDcast her reaction was more like her character in the show unlike the books, in the show she is weird least to say while the books she used to talk more and was close to rhaeneyra, in the show she hardly talked and expressed any feelings, and during the end she in a state of shock, and she couldnt react cause of the dagger at her throat, so i feel like it was good enough for the show , both r good the show and book
@Naesyria That’s exactly what I felt and what it seems like a lot of book readers are uninterested in, likely because they are attached to the original which is fair. I’d probably feel the same way. Hell we were kind of tiptoeing around that portion of the episode in our review because we both kind of felt that part was just strangely presented in general. It just kinda felt odd
I don’t think it’s the same situation. I don’t think he feels the same way for Alicent. I think he has more of a sense of deep profound loyalty and love to her for her saving his life and giving him status, and accepting him into her family. And it seems like their intimate ‘relationship’ is more of a transaction of pleasure between the two. So if it were to stop, by Alicents decision, I don’t think Cole will care
@@vagabond57097 i think its exactly the same. he made such a big deal about breaking his vows and now hes doing all willy nilly because shes not his first and hes accepted hes a hypocrite who doesnt value his vows since he betrayed rhenyria. he doesnt care what the king wanted or ordered, hes just mad she was more committed to her duty then he was.
I do not want to see am old dragon being killed. Also, Daemon told the 2 idiots their target had only 1 eye. So, Daemon, you must learn, if you want something done right, do it yourself.
You can't fence royal jewelry everyone would know..this was still a son for a son and it's alot worse because this is aegons only known son by birth leaving nothing g between him and aeymond who I already plotting behind him.and otto..you also.missed Helena saying g what if he doesn't want to be king
Damn. Media literacy is really dead. It's not that deep, but it kind of shows how primed me are to assuming a good guy in every story and fixed to demonize one side to justify it. I think that's what frustrates people the most in these reactions to HotD. Its a show that clearly makes an attempt to show you both sides as morally grey sides. And people love that, but picking sides based on vibes devalues that to some people. I think people want to aee discussions on how torn they are for different reasons for both sides. Not just an endless complaining campaign for one side against another. It makes you incapable of assuming that the other side can do anything right or have any justified action. Again, it devalues good storytelling when you have made up your mind on who are the bad guys.
You’re talking about us? We haven’t picked either side. We’ve said for years we’re on team common folk I feel like our discussion was way more nuanced than you’re giving us credit for. We’re not sitting here shitting in the greens and glazing the Blacks for an hour we cover a lot of ground. Why does everyone think we’re huge Daemon stans?
@BOLDcast No, not you in particular. My statement is acting as a qualifier. Also, the fans in the comments. And I didn't get to your discussion yet, man. Was going to listen to it later after work. I'm looking forward to it, if it's nuanced. I'm literally starving for some commentary with some nuance. I'm just addressing a trend that exists. And I didn't mention anything about Daemon. But I understand why people are irritated with his fans. He's probably the biggest instigator of double standards and justifications. Which is fair, the actor is too charismatic for his own good, haha. If you feel like my first comment will misrepresent you, I can delete it after listening to your discussion.
No don’t bother deleting, Forgive me for assuming on your part, we’re just overly sensitive about misrepresented with this show as people get frustrated elsewhere in comment sections or other forums, and then tend to project whatever the prevailing popular misconception is onto us as if we said it. Which is particularly annoying when we spend literally an hour every episode discussing things in what we hope is a nuanced way So I’m sorry for also projecting back onto you lol
The writers ruined the scene with Jaehaerys' death so much that it killed my desire to watch the series. I've been waiting for this for 2 years. It was supposed to be the most gruesome and horrible scene in the whole series. It would have left no one indifferent. Where is Helaena's hysteria, where are her pleas, where are the threats to rape her and Jaehaera, where is the choice between which child to kill. This is what broke Helaena. She had to choose between her two sons, who should die so they wouldn't kill both. Where is tied Alicent, whom Helaena was going to with the children to wish good night, why did they add the scene of sex with Cole, JUST WHY? AND WHERE THE HELL IS MEYLOR. THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY SCENE IN THE WHOLE BOOK THAT WAS DESCRIBED WITH ALL THE DETAILS AND EMOTIONS. HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO MAKE BLOOD AND CHEESE SO MESSY? I am so disappointed.
I disagree. The book is told by two unreliable narrators. There were definitely going to be changes. There's the book version that was told by them and this is the "True" version of events that happened.
@@DarksideGmss0513 There are not 2 of them but more. And the fact that there are unreliable narrators in the book does not make everything that happens a lie and falsification. Then the whole book is just nonsense of the masters.
@@cjmostes99im pretty sure the original scene would have been traumatizing for child actors as well. There are many labor laws when children are involved. Also, I always found that scene in the book as too much torture porn. I found this to be more realistic in universe. I’m fine with the changes as it still got the end result - Heleana seeing her child killed in front of her. The only needless change is Alicent not being present for it.
Honestly I think making Haelena effectively complicit in the murder of her son since she pointed him out would break her. I honestly feel it was so brutal. They didn't need to show everything the implication through the sound design is brutal enough.
In Fire and Blood it is not clear who hired Blood and Cheese. People suspected Daemon, they suspected Mysaria. Blood and Cheese don't have nuance to them in the book. They show up, they commit a heinous crime and then History has forgotten their actual names.
Maelys looked good, but she was in a darker area. But Rhaenyra’s dragon has always looked the most scuffed even from 1x1 I didn’t want to dwell on that too much in the discussion though, but yeah the dragons were not looking their best that they have in the series
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i liked how you guys paused mid video to discuss the dynamics of power between alicent and otto, imo that was some of the best dialogue of the show yet
While I don't like Aegon as a person, I do actually think he's trying to be a good king. He just doesn't know how because he wasn't taught. Viserys didn't care about him like that, Alicent said she wanted him to be king but didn't seem to help him aside from yelling. Of course, he wants to be liked. The change was there when he got cheers when he was crowned. Also, I do believe he loved Jahaerys. He just seemed happy that his son and heir (RIP) was having fun.
I am interested to see if Aegon's statement on the importance of the small folk will play a role in the whole team green vs. team black thing in the story. Especially if you contrast that with Rhaenys killing a bunch of them last season.
Aegon wants to be loved by the people, which also means he'd be easily fooled and taken advantage of, which is why Otto stepped in, or he would begger the coffers without thinking about the consequences.
@@MyUniqueVibe Just like his father, Viserys
"Our victory depends on the efforts of the small folk" is the most intelligent thing Aegon has ever said... Consider me impressed
Same, I can say with confidance now that he's neither joffrey nor cercei, but he's yet to do something useful
@@mastouriedam5845 tbf he is constantly being undercut by otto and his mother ; still messed up what we learned about him in the first season
@@mastouriedam5845 oh dont worry. hes gonna prove himself-book reader. just wait. hes coming for them
Rhaenyra: I want Aemond Targeryen
Daemon: Say less ma queen (puts on his hood of mischief)
Targaryen crime hood. 😂
He should've went for Aemond himself, since he was there in kingslanding. Not going kinda makes him look like a coward. In fire and blood he wasn't in kingslanding, he was at harrenhal when he hired bood and cheese.
No, Daemon said to them "a son for a son" after they cut. Because how would Blood know about "a son for a son" ?
This wasn't Blood and Cheese's mistake.
Daemon clearly said Aemond though, and they didn’t even look for him at all.
@@monlovchel And then Cheese asked, what if we don't find them, then it pans to Daemon then cut, implying Daemon said something, probably something like a Son for a Son
They just trying to whitewash the Blacks tf show both of them for what they are
Exactly. They were told specifically Aemond. But asked what happens if we can’t find him. Daemon gives a look. While inside the city watch guard says, “He said a son for a son”. Btw A son for a son is the title episode.
Exactly 💯 why people defending daemon so hard@@Madchairman
Aemond and Aegon have another brother called Daeron
base on this eps it seme they goin to delete him if y now what i mean the other son of aegon
The show is so bad they only introduce characters before they kill them... 😅
@@okdude8215 Touch grass normie
@@dallasprince5423 normie and touch grass in the same sentence 🤣
@@nasroohb9489does daeron have an important role in the green faction?
To be fair, Blood (one of the two assassins) is a gold cloak, so he's loyal to Daemon. It's not just about the money. And the scene cut out when they asked Daemon what they should do if they can't find Aemond, so his instructions are still unclear. But I agree the show makes Blood and Cheese look super incompetent overall, it was done a lot better in the book.
Also, the "theory" about the kids being Aemond's isn't really based on much, it's mostly just a ship since people feel bad for Helaena and the show kinda whitewashed Aemond while villainizing Aegon, so they'd rather see her with Aemond.
And Aegon doesn't sell his kids to the fighting pits, he probably has bastards around the city from whoring around but he's not going and placing them there to fight. Obviously it's not better or worse but in terms of his character and some of them might have ended up there, but it's more apathy than sadism.
Blood & Cheese specifically asked Daemon what they should do if they don't find Aemond. Then the scene cuts away and we don't get Daemon's answer. But the two seem to be searching the castle purposefully for "A son for a son" and are happy with Aegon's son. For me it is very obvious that Daemon was only interested in revenge and blood and that he offered the murder of the boy as an alternative option.
Daemon is not gonna kill them, it was his plan B and what he said after they asked what if the could not find Aemond. And blood is loyal to Daemon he would not betray him for the hightowers.
Aemond was 12 when Heleana had children (twins) i dont think that these two are his children
That last scene was very well shot and directed. It subverted my expectations as I was expecting Aemond to live and kill the assassins but then they were repeating "son for a son". Rough scene
GREAT DISCUSSION
You guys pointed out a lot of nuances that I did not notice and it really helps in understanding the characters more and seeing multiple different layers that all of them have
Amazing
Keep going
Love you guys
100k lesgooooooo
Yoooooo I just realized that Hugh the Hammer!!! He’s one of the dragonseeds. They really slid him in there first ep pretty good 😂
You guys need to know that Aegon doesn't know he has bastards running around. The actor confirmed this. The show also didn't say he knew, it just showed his bastard who happened to be abandoned in a fighting pit. Then the character, Erryk, assumed he had more. This is not fact, just Erryk's suspicions. Hope you see this because for some reason, the show doesn't want to clarify this misunderstanding.
This one act turned a dynastic dispute into a war of annihilation
It was already that . After Lucerys died there was no avoiding it.
Aemon says it clearly that this war was inevitable once alicent and otto started conspiring for the throne. blood and cheese, aemond/lucerys are just consequences. nothing really changed here.
Some have said Helaena is autistic. Her not wanting to interrupt Jaehaery's routine when Aegon was asking for him, and her lightning quick addition skills in season one, would support this theory. Autistic or not, she is sadly not taken seriously. Eccentric and weird is the best she can hope for in the eyes of others. Most, simply view her as a halfwit babbling nonsense. I would listen to every word she says.
i love the attention to details because they have a problem with rats since season 1 and we see the rat guy in many scenes in the background, that’s why he’s practically invisible
Oh yeah by the way, the Targaryens already have velaryon blood in them, I think Viserys’ grandmother was a valeryon. So rhaenyras sons do have valeryon blood in them but it’s thinned out because it’s from generations ago. Alyssa velaryon was her name, don’t let anyone pretend like her sons have no right to anything when they both have both bloodlines coursing through their veins.
Otto and alicent crack me up. Their side literally ate someone alive then start talking about lets not have wanton violence in the war like it’s up to them once something like that occurs
otto kills me, his faces/reactions are such modern humor. when aegon was doing his best to help his people and otto kept rolling his eyes or scoffing when he tried to give back had me rolling.
I mean it doesn’t matter who ate who as Aemond said usurping the thrown is war nothing more nothing less. Vhagar eating someone was an accident you can hear Luke and Aemond tell their dragons to stop but they didn’t listen like wild animals as daemon pointed out in the beginning of the of season 1 we ride dragons but us controlling them is a child fantasy. Also war is obviously Viserys fault he should had married rhaenyra and Aegon end of story he should have known throughout Targaryen history there will be a war for successsion and this shows why Viserys was a terrible king and father.
And Rhaenyra's side just killed a kid in his bed so I guess nobody's perfect.
Nooo! Not Helena! She's just busy making the new intro of HOTD. 😂
Love this😂❤
Daemon probably told them. The dialogue was cut when he said what if we don't found aemond that's when daemon probably told them the backup option
I think you’re right
You keep saying Alicent heard what she wanted to her. She heard what she heard she believes the king's final wish was for the PRINCE that was promised to rule.
I imagine theres going to a lot questions for Ser Christian Coe to answer next week I if we was meant to be the one guarding Helaena room
I’m glad you guys are in a better spot, you seem happier than in season 1
Im gonna subscribe even though I love your longer hair
he looks like the villian from no country for old men. Lindsey prob created this channel as a way to get him to change his hair.
34:13 Why the hell weren't any Kingsguard assigned to protect Helaena and her children?!?!
They have 3 Kingsguards at the moment (unless they found someone during these 10 days). Cole was with Alicent, 1 had to be with Aegon and the last one could be sleeping before his watch or could be guarding the roofs like Arryk earlier. But they definitely could use some Targaryen/Hightower house guards. (Unless Cole and Alicent dismissed them so no-one would see Crispin entering her chambers and hearing the noises 🤔 just a thought).
Well Crispy is Lord Commander. He's supposed to be protecting the Queen and heir I believe.
@@livelovelife32And he was too busy getting his sword polished by the Queen Mother.
i think its implied that because theyre having a steamy affair that has to be hidden, alicent and cole abuses his power as lord commander to order the other kingsguard to guard elsewhere while hes upstairs plowing the queen.
In the books, the cheese and blood scene is much darker
Your last season reaction was great guys, not sure why you think otherwise
Even though those last scenes were horrifying they did tamed it down a lot. People wouldn't have been ready for the book version. I have been dreading it for that reason.
You are my favorite reactors Your analysis is very thoughtful
🙏 thank you!
Daemon won't care about it not being Aemond, he said in the beginning a son for a son. Also when he's talking to them they deliberately came away from the conversation after they asked what they should do if they can't find Aemond. The implication being just bring someone else's head.
You guys have wrong take after wrong take
1. Aegon took his son to the meeting bc he loves him is no so hard. He wants to assure him his love.
2. If you remember he is fatherless viserys never loved him. So now as king he wants his son to feel loved unlike him, is genuine.
3. You criticize him way too much but mute with daemon who is 50 y.o deadbeat father and whiny feminicide does worse. Like daemon has aegon's mental age but with zero good attributes.
they seem to criticise everything he says
@@hdheh1582 yeah is embarrasing like that whiny man is pushing 60 so stop excusing him while you harshly criticize a 20 year old who is learning and EXCITED to teach his son how the king job is.
(Mind you daemon never pay attention to his daughters, neither did viserys to his kids with alicent).
Love the third point acting like we forgive Daemon.
I think the point of the show is that people can have different opinions and interpretations without having to”wrong take after wrong take”
@@BOLDcast then be objective or just dont react to aegon at all
Did we ever say we were trying to be objective?
Who are you again?
In the book there was another younger son named Maelor who is a toddler at this time which was cut out from the show. The whole scene was much more dramatic since they first intruded Alicent's chambers, killed the guards, tied her and made her watch along with Helaena, who offered herself to save her sons. They also made the latter choose which son to behead since the actual order of Daemon was in fact, a son for a son. Helaena finally chose Maelor since he wouldn't understand much due to his age and then Blood proceeded to take Jahaerys's head off and whisper to the todler that his own mother wanted him dead. The whole scene was fucked up by the showrunners since it's another example of presenting the black side as the good one and cutting Daemon's real order or even alternative solution because the fandom perceives him as this cool guy with an interesting dragon while he is in fact a disgusting unlikeable character who has commited multiple heinous crimes and is pretty much the main reason I am team green. The scene was also ruined due to Heleana's underwhelming reaction, the fact that there were no guards around whatsoever and the even more underwhelming ending which pretty much destroyed the gravity of this scene with Alicent screwing Criston which is not even a thing in the book to begin with.
i doubt helena's prophetic dreams were the primary reason for her weird behaviour. if she knew exactly what is gonna happen she would have shared about it more. so her dreams are probably vague and unclear. but even that aside, more importantly every scene we've seen helena in she was acting odd. she is most likely autistic or at least mentally unwell in some way
Blood and Cheese was way more brutal in the books. When the assassins get to Helena's chambers they find Helaena her kids and Alicent and they tie her and Alicent up. They ask Helena to pick which of her sons they kill - the 6 year old Jaehaerys or 3 year old Maelor. Helaena pleads and cry for them to kill her instead. Jaehaerys was the main target from the get go (not Aemond), they only gave her the illusion of a choice to torture her. When she refuses to pick they threathen her with raping her 6 year old daughter so she picks Maelor, hoping he'd be too young to understand what is happening. Blood then whispers into Maelor's ear "You hear that boy? Your mama wants you dead" and strikes off the head of Jaehaerys instead and leaves Heleana screaming and crying
The difference regarding the " Rhaenyras kids are bastards" issue between the books and show is basically, in the show the hint is that they dont resemble Laenor because of his skin color and in the books it is basically because of the black hair. Which is suspicious because both Targaryen and Vellaryons usually have silver hair. It works in both ways
Lovely post-reaction discussion. Love the relating court-speak and script writer logic to what Heleana said.
Like, where are the rest of the kingsguard?... i know the lord commander is giving alicent his hightower and the others are with aegon and his drunks friends... but are there none left?
I think they got really complacent because they got Vhegar. And didn't bother with security much. But that's just my theory idk
Maybe watching outside for dragons
@@makima2983 they cant spare 1 for halaena?
@@tuxedomask4masc maybe it was Cole duty we might find out the next episode, or it's just a plothole
@@tuxedomask4masc pretty sure it was Cole’s post as he is the head kings guard, and Helaena’s the Queen.
I think that was the purpose to kill the heir that’s more important.
I just watched your HOTD S1 reactions several months back, I actually liked them, had some good discussions. Excited for this
So let’s be honest, after house of the dragon is over, we all want to see Aegons conquest and the Doom, the new intro of the series shows it all happening in that amazingly creepy old art style. The doom, Aegon and Visenya, and Aegons sisters on their dragons to kill everyone lol, we all want to see it in an actual series.
Really puts things into perspective. It is a war and both sides are monsters, there aren't any good guys in a conflict for control of a dynasty. There might be lesser evils, but they still cooperate with monsters and use cruel methods.
Man.... I just Fkng love this channel
if you think Blood and Cheese were stupidly evil here then know that apparently in the books they are even more evil
You’re severely downplaying Aegon’s character. While he can be sadistic and a terrible person, he’s not a Joffrey in the sense of being evil for the sake of being evil. Aegon is a broken individual who was allowed to foster into the bad person he is now through being neglected his entire life, especially by Viserys. Also remember, this is someone who did not want to be king and knew he wasn’t cut out for it. Though, now that he has been forced into the role he is trying to embrace it in the ways he knows how. That scene in the throne room where he is hearing out petitions, while a big part of acting the way he did was because he wants to be liked. He also geniunely wants to a be a good king. He just doesn’t know how to do it because again, he was never raised to be king. The failure of his parents to prepare him to be king is also the very reason he brings his son to the council, he wants to do for his son what was not done for him. The best way to describe his character is a bad person trying to be good but is too far gone. Acts that seem good or even just normal to him are actually just immature or downright bad. I would suggest watching the actor that plays Aegon, Tom Glynn-Carney, speak about the character. He seems to have a deep understanding of the character.
We’re aware of what the show is doing with his character, we don’t see him as flatly “evil” there is more to it, a lot more.
But just because people have a reason for doing what they have done, I.e. abuse and neglect, doesn’t mean I have to feel sympathy for rape and child exploitation and the myriad of other things he’s done. Whether he was just going with the flow and just kind of ‘found himself’ in those situations, if I knew him in real life, I wouldn’t forget what he has done just because he felt sorry
And personally, it’s not like George’s story to have characters just do an immediate 180 because of one tearful convo with their mum and a public gathering. I think he does think he’s turning over a new leaf, but I gathered from the actors performance and my own personal experience, that Aegon is displaying genuinely narcissistic behaviour. He’s not a better person because he tried to look good in court. He might think he’s trying to be a better person, but like many things in the story, the characters actions aren’t so simple. Theres a self-serving element to it.
And yes, he’s not the only bad person. Whenever I come into the comments to clarify my position, inevitably, someone will call me out for loving daemon or saying “well Rhaenyra is bad too”. I know that. That’s the point of the show. I’m not trying to say that Aegon is the only bad person. He’s conflicted like any other character. And I like the direction his character is taking from a writing perspective. But even the journey he’s on now is more complicated than people are making it out to be.
@@BOLDcast For sure, I’m not saying to feel sympathy for him. Like I said, he is sadistic and terrible a lot of the time. It’s completely normal to not like an awful person. I was talking about downplaying the nuances and complexities of his character. Aegon is a narcissist, but to deduce the throne room scene and him bringing his son to the small council to just him being a narcissist, is failing to look past his character at the surface level. There 100% is a self serving element, but he is also actually trying to do good (said by Tom Glynn-Carney himself). Does him trying to do good make him a better person? Of course not, but it does reflect that he is a product of his environment rather than just someone who does terrible things because of innate evil. Aegon does show humanity at times which I think makes him that much more compelling. From the preview shown for future episodes, it seems like Jaehaerys’ death is going to affect him heavily, which is where I think we’ll see him start to lose the little humanity he has and begin the journey to just going full Joffrey (someone who rules with cruelty).
My point in response to you is that you assumed we were reducing his character to flatly evil, and thereby assumed that we weren’t considering the complexity, when we really were
@@BOLDcast It comes off that way when you were saying throughout the throne room scene that he is narcissistic and “just” acting in self-interest. While that was part of it, that wasn’t all it was, hence why I said you were downplaying his character. That scene WAS meant to show a bit of his humanity through his desire to be a good king (whatever good is in his eyes). But I do understand what you meant now.
I agree with everything 🤌 except that he is far too gone he isn't remember how viserys is a r*pist and pdfle and i saw people crying for him when he was walking to the throne pls lmao 🤢 he opened aemma alive but he was "a good king" aegon is not even a book r*pist only ryan's invention, he and rhaenyra goes mad after all their loses, not before.
Making it to 100k with this one!
lol that's crazy i too theorize that Allen guy could be a bastard son but he's bald as the plot twist so we can't tell. Guess we'll find out.
I don't know if it was just me, but did anyone think that first scene was dubbed in post, the audio was so clear and felt weird.
Also also that opening monologue felt like the beginning of a video game set in the world of GoT.
I'd love to see you guys finish Season 2 of Invincible, I really enjoyed it.
We were thinking of bringing it back while HOTD is airing, cause I bet there’s a lot of HOTD fans who like invincible
coolest fucking eyes i ever seen
Loved your season 1 reactions and can't wait to see the rest of your reactions across the season.
A standard good episode nothing unpredictable with the blacks but I find the most interesting part of the episode was the green family dynamic.
The thing is though daemon did order the blood n cheese event, they asked him what if we can’t find Aemond?
Daemon went sand snakes revenge in season 5…….terrible
just realized ,reanyra had like one line!
Aegon really isn’t a monster in this time period in fact most of his behaviour is typical and expected of highborns since this is modelled after Medieval time period only through a modern view you would consider him bad and even then I would say he’s done some terrible things due to his drinking and his trauma but I wouldn’t call him a monster Joffrey and Ramsey would be considered monsters in whatever time period as for ruling he has very little to no experience but does try to do what is right for the people so I’d say he’s an alright king just young and inexperienced
If they had left without finishing the job Daemon would’ve killed them both, they were told “a son for a son” and hey they got the job done🤷♂️
Aegon may not be a good king but he is entertaining, I feel like there is a possibility of him becoming a decent king (probably not though)
Are you sure Daemon didn't tell them to do that?
Like the OP visuals, gave me AoT S2 ED 1 creepy vibes
Two people got head this episode 👍
Hi! I have a question guys from different areas than reactions and all of that.
As far I know you are from Canada. Do you know maybe how is the situation there in the case of jobs for foreigners, especially in IT? I am thinking about this all the time. I live in Europe and I want to emigrate to the USA but it looks tough to get a visa... So I started to consider Canada also.
What do you think guys? Do you appreciate your own country :D?
How foreigners are being treated?
Fun fact actually that was more brutal in the book.
I don't know why you guys give those 2 assassins so much shit. They did their job. If they were to get away without killing any son, Daemon would just have them killed.
Did you see the advance? Aegon goes crazy! 😨😨😨😨😨😨🥵
heavy first ep, great reaction as always!
but also… 3:42 omg are we getting Shogun reactions???
Nah we watched shogun on our own unfortunately
I think it was for the best we didn’t have super compelling things to say
@@BOLDcast fair enough! hope you guys enjoyed it anyway
I waited for Blood and Cheese since 1x1, but the way they executed it is just sooo disappointing to me.
Also - I really enjoyed you guys in season 1. Whatever was happening IRL, it didn't show on screen at all.
I’d be interested to hear your response to what I talked about regarding helaena’s reaction and my interpretation of her actions given how the show’s portrayal differs from the way the book describes things (from what little I do know of the book)
I give my interpretation in detail in the discussion portion of this video
Cause it seems like from what I’m gathering in alt shift x’s comment section, there’s a lot of people who didn’t see it the same way I did, and just hated the scene and thought her reaction didn’t make sense.
EDIT:
In short, I think the reasoning is similar to how the show handled/presented Aemond killing Luc in the show vs the book. So the Helaena thing is similar in that being able to show the “actual events” rather than many interpretations. So in this case, Helaena pointed directly at her son first and put up little resistance, not because she is poorly written, but because she is one of the few dreamers who accepts the reality of her visions. And like many tragic women in this series, she is unable to make her own choices and forge her own path. So that same theme is represented not only with a woman against “the patriarchy”, but also against fate itself. Viserys and many other dreamers tried to fight fate or use their visions to their advantage and undid themselves, so Helaena weirdly made a decision that was both tragic and wise. She knows that she can’t do anything
I think that they really could only show so much using child actors without traumatizing the poor kids.
But you've also got to add on that fact that the events in Fire & Blood aren't set in stone - they aren't the definite in what happened and easily could have been extra dramatized for sympathy depending on the sources. Nothing is 100% reliable in those books so this very easily could have been what happened in those events.
However, the way things played out probably would have had to change even if they could record it - purely due to the change in character that Helaena has undertaken from the writers. Unlike in the book, I think this was the perfect reaction for her as she seems to have already seen this coming and at least in part come to terms with it - however distraught and desperate she was when it took place.
@@BOLDcast her reaction was more like her character in the show unlike the books, in the show she is weird least to say while the books she used to talk more and was close to rhaeneyra, in the show she hardly talked and expressed any feelings, and during the end she in a state of shock, and she couldnt react cause of the dagger at her throat, so i feel like it was good enough for the show , both r good the show and book
@Naesyria That’s exactly what I felt and what it seems like a lot of book readers are uninterested in, likely because they are attached to the original which is fair. I’d probably feel the same way. Hell we were kind of tiptoeing around that portion of the episode in our review because we both kind of felt that part was just strangely presented in general. It just kinda felt odd
@tablesalt2628 You really think HBO would greenlight a child beheading, noone wants to see that shit, good thing they toned it down...
I would laugh so hard if Alicent break her relationship with Cole after that and then Cole become bitter with her as he did with Rhaenyra 😆
Lmao😂
I don’t think it’s the same situation. I don’t think he feels the same way for Alicent. I think he has more of a sense of deep profound loyalty and love to her for her saving his life and giving him status, and accepting him into her family. And it seems like their intimate ‘relationship’ is more of a transaction of pleasure between the two. So if it were to stop, by Alicents decision, I don’t think Cole will care
@@vagabond57097well Rhaenyra was actually the one who gave him status and he felt the same why to her so….
@@vagabond57097 i think its exactly the same. he made such a big deal about breaking his vows and now hes doing all willy nilly because shes not his first and hes accepted hes a hypocrite who doesnt value his vows since he betrayed rhenyria. he doesnt care what the king wanted or ordered, hes just mad she was more committed to her duty then he was.
Hi Lindsay, will Carlson be single after shaved bald? 😂
I do not want to see am old dragon being killed. Also, Daemon told the 2 idiots their target had only 1 eye. So, Daemon, you must learn, if you want something done right, do it yourself.
Lindsay is fucking fire
You can't fence royal jewelry everyone would know..this was still a son for a son and it's alot worse because this is aegons only known son by birth leaving nothing g between him and aeymond who I already plotting behind him.and otto..you also.missed Helena saying g what if he doesn't want to be king
Rhaenyra didn’t even demand Aemond dead. She just wants Aemond! It’s because of Daemon’s selfish actions
LoL. Don't be so naive. Did you think Rhaenyra wanted to have a chat with Aemond over tea and biscuits?
@@nitinmathew5391 a captive, sir.
@@ConradTheSecondNo she wanted him dead for sure not captive wth 😂
the scene with rhaenira and her son broke my heart 😭🖤
from what i remember i very much enjoyed your season 1 reactions
where is the boys ? you need to watch the boys
Damn. Media literacy is really dead. It's not that deep, but it kind of shows how primed me are to assuming a good guy in every story and fixed to demonize one side to justify it.
I think that's what frustrates people the most in these reactions to HotD. Its a show that clearly makes an attempt to show you both sides as morally grey sides. And people love that, but picking sides based on vibes devalues that to some people.
I think people want to aee discussions on how torn they are for different reasons for both sides. Not just an endless complaining campaign for one side against another. It makes you incapable of assuming that the other side can do anything right or have any justified action.
Again, it devalues good storytelling when you have made up your mind on who are the bad guys.
You’re talking about us?
We haven’t picked either side. We’ve said for years we’re on team common folk
I feel like our discussion was way more nuanced than you’re giving us credit for. We’re not sitting here shitting in the greens and glazing the Blacks for an hour we cover a lot of ground. Why does everyone think we’re huge Daemon stans?
@BOLDcast No, not you in particular. My statement is acting as a qualifier. Also, the fans in the comments. And I didn't get to your discussion yet, man. Was going to listen to it later after work. I'm looking forward to it, if it's nuanced. I'm literally starving for some commentary with some nuance.
I'm just addressing a trend that exists.
And I didn't mention anything about Daemon. But I understand why people are irritated with his fans. He's probably the biggest instigator of double standards and justifications. Which is fair, the actor is too charismatic for his own good, haha.
If you feel like my first comment will misrepresent you, I can delete it after listening to your discussion.
No don’t bother deleting,
Forgive me for assuming on your part, we’re just overly sensitive about misrepresented with this show as people get frustrated elsewhere in comment sections or other forums, and then tend to project whatever the prevailing popular misconception is onto us as if we said it.
Which is particularly annoying when we spend literally an hour every episode discussing things in what we hope is a nuanced way
So I’m sorry for also projecting back onto you lol
@@BOLDcast No worries. I probably could have worded it in more neutral language.
And 100% team common folk.
🩸 & 🧀
Dude u look like Kathy Bates in misery lol
What have I done to deserve that, Bryan?
The writers ruined the scene with Jaehaerys' death so much that it killed my desire to watch the series. I've been waiting for this for 2 years. It was supposed to be the most gruesome and horrible scene in the whole series. It would have left no one indifferent. Where is Helaena's hysteria, where are her pleas, where are the threats to rape her and Jaehaera, where is the choice between which child to kill. This is what broke Helaena. She had to choose between her two sons, who should die so they wouldn't kill both. Where is tied Alicent, whom Helaena was going to with the children to wish good night, why did they add the scene of sex with Cole, JUST WHY? AND WHERE THE HELL IS MEYLOR. THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY SCENE IN THE WHOLE BOOK THAT WAS DESCRIBED WITH ALL THE DETAILS AND EMOTIONS. HOW DID THEY MANAGE TO MAKE BLOOD AND CHEESE SO MESSY? I am so disappointed.
I disagree. The book is told by two unreliable narrators. There were definitely going to be changes. There's the book version that was told by them and this is the "True" version of events that happened.
@@DarksideGmss0513 There are not 2 of them but more. And the fact that there are unreliable narrators in the book does not make everything that happens a lie and falsification. Then the whole book is just nonsense of the masters.
It was a little disappointing, but it’s just one scene. Calm down 😂
@@cjmostes99im pretty sure the original scene would have been traumatizing for child actors as well. There are many labor laws when children are involved. Also, I always found that scene in the book as too much torture porn. I found this to be more realistic in universe. I’m fine with the changes as it still got the end result - Heleana seeing her child killed in front of her. The only needless change is Alicent not being present for it.
Honestly I think making Haelena effectively complicit in the murder of her son since she pointed him out would break her. I honestly feel it was so brutal. They didn't need to show everything the implication through the sound design is brutal enough.
In Fire and Blood it is not clear who hired Blood and Cheese. People suspected Daemon, they suspected Mysaria.
Blood and Cheese don't have nuance to them in the book. They show up, they commit a heinous crime and then History has forgotten their actual names.
Is carson transitioning?
Only if we don’t hit 100k
(I’m shaving my head to celebrate, that’s why I haven’t cut my hair)
The dragon animations were awful this episode
Maelys looked good, but she was in a darker area. But Rhaenyra’s dragon has always looked the most scuffed even from 1x1
I didn’t want to dwell on that too much in the discussion though, but yeah the dragons were not looking their best that they have in the series
@BOLDcast Even when she unmounted, it looked horrible ... It looks rushed and out of scale
Yeah that I can agree on I pointed out that exact shot in the discussion near the end
Congratulations on 100k 🎉